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Flying Is Delicious w/ Two Guys On A Plane · The Delicious Culture with Jon Francois

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I'm your host John François We are feasting on
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food pop culture and lifestyle with rich Henderson
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co -host of the two guys on a plane podcast,
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which I believe Correct me if I'm wrong. It's
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like the number one aviation podcast overall.
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It is the number one aviation podcast currently.
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Um, so it hasn't always been, but, but let me
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just say when I told you that for anybody watching
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on YouTube. You took a deep breath in as if you
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were carrying the weight of the world on your
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shoulders. How is it having the number one aviation
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podcast? It's great. I mean, it's a good feeling
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because I feel like what we're doing is not really
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like what anyone else is doing out there. and
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for it to be resonating with people to the point
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where our numbers are getting bigger like that.
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It just means a lot to us. You know, we're trying
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to put our best foot forward, be as authentic
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and be as real about what life in aviation really
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looks like. And I think people are really gravitating
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towards it, which is awesome. Now, you are a
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flight attendant and you and I believe your husband,
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you guys do the podcast together, correct? Yes,
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that's correct. My husband and I are both flight
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attendants. We met on a plane. We got married
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in a hangar. We both fly. It's a very aviation
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household around here. So the hangar part of
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it, was that because you guys thought, oh, this
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is like thematically romantic to how we met or
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was it because like, I don't know, weddings are
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costly and you had to budget in the best way
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you could. Well, first and foremost, we both
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just really love airplanes. So that that was
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kind of the starting point there. But when we
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were deciding where to get married, we were both
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from very different places. He's from outside
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of Nashville. I'm from Boston. We live in Philly.
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We hadn't really kind of been in Philly too long
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at that point. So Philly didn't make sense. So
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it was kind of a wherever wherever we. get married
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we just want the venue to be cool and one of
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our first dates happened to be to the Carolinas
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Aviation Museum in Charlotte, North Carolina
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and It was like our third date or something and
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we were like, I wonder if anyone's ever gotten
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married there We should look into that. I mean
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all of our family was gonna have to travel anyway,
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so we called them up They said they hadn't they'd
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done like one or two weddings because people
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weren't really doing that And yeah, we got married
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there, and it was awesome. It was super cool.
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Can you take me into the aesthetic of the Carolinas
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Aviation Museum? Like, what are the museum pieces
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that you'll find there? And also, please tell
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me how you decorated your wedding, because I
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want to know the aesthetic of that as well. Well,
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the fun part about getting married in an aviation
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museum is you don't really have to decorate So
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we saved a lot of money there because there's
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just airplanes airplanes all around you the the
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museum recently moved but it was an actual aircraft
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hangar at the Charlotte Douglas International
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Airport and they I guess one of the airlines
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wasn't using the hangar anymore. They started
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up this museum and I guess the airline wanted
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the hangar back eventually. They've now since
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moved the museum to a new facility. Just your
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typical aircraft hangar, this big open warehouse
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space with a bunch of different aircraft types
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in it. The main attraction is the Miracle on
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the Hudson flight that crashed. had a water landing
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into the Hudson a while back with Captain Sully,
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that aircraft is in that museum. So it was kind
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of cool because people were like, oh, you're
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getting married next to an airplane that crashed.
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Is that kind of like bad juju? And we were like,
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no, it was a miracle. It survived anything. Everybody
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walked away from that. Pretty okay. So we kind
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of felt like it was a good symbolism for for
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marriage and what lies ahead instead of rice
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Did people throw like airplane snacks at you?
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Like what was that like? No, we weren't we were
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pretty cheesy about it, but we weren't quite
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that cheesy Actually now that you say that I
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think we did have some biscoff cookies somewhere
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lying around but yeah that people threw at you
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Well, no just that that were there in general.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My wife is a big fan here Vermont
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of the Biscoff cookies. So has that always been
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originally an airplane snack and it just like
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came out to grocery stores or is it like kind
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of the other way around? I honestly don't know
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the origin story. I know it's a company called
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Lotus. I think they existed before. Like I think
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it was, I think it was just a cookie brand that
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got attached to airlines, but I actually don't
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know. I'm going to have to look into this and
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find out the lore of the Biscoff. Yeah, yeah.
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I'm looking at it right now and it's... I guess
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it was originally treated because Biscoff is
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like a combination of biscuit and coffee. It's
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treated as an ideal coffee accompaniment in global
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markets, gained worldwide fame in the 80s. It
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was introduced as a complimentary in -flight
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snack on major airlines like... Delta and then
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they just expanded to include, you know, cookie
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butter spreads, ice cream sandwich cookies. So
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it seems like it seems like it started its popularity
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from being an airline snack and then just kind
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of expanded from there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You
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definitely see those cookies everywhere now.
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That's for sure. So you and your husband met
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on the job as flight attendants. How did you
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guys meet? Tell me that story. Kind of. We we
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work for different airlines and He was commuting
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home on a flight that I happened to be working.
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So in the aviation industry, it's not uncommon
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to commute from one city to another for work.
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So for example, he was living in Nashville, but
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he commuted to Charlotte for work. And so I happened
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to be working a flight and he was in the exit
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row. He came on, he wasn't uniform or anything.
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But I knew he was crew and so I was chatting
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with him and was like, if you need anything,
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let me know. We just got to chatting and I'd
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never been to Nashville before. I was still pretty
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new at this point. And he was like telling me
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all the stuff to do. And I was like, well, that's
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cool. If I'm ever here, I'm going to have to
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check that out. And at the end of the flight,
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he gave me his phone number on a boarding pass.
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And he said, if you're ever in town, call me.
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I'll show you around. And we're getting off the
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plane, me and my crew, and they're like, oh my
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god, look at you. Like, you got his phone number.
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Like, how exciting. And I... it dawned on me
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in that moment that I never told him that we
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were overnight in Nashville that night. He assumed
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we were flying back somewhere else. I failed
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to mention this, so... I was like, well, shit,
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I probably should have told him. And they were
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like, call him. And so I texted him and I was
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like, so funny story. We're actually overnight
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in Nashville. And he was like, oh, did your flight
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cancel or something? And I was like, yeah, sure.
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Yeah, that's what happened. We'll just say that.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I didn't omit any important
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information at all. No, yeah, it canceled. Sure.
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He happened to be free that night and we went
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out to dinner. He took me around town. And then
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for the first year of us dating, we kind of just
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kept bouncing around city to city on each other's
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work trips and layovers and whatnot, just hanging
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out, seeing the country. And yeah. And it just
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kind of worked out. We figured if we're going
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to keep being willing to hop on airplanes, we
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should probably, we should probably do this long
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-term. I mean, please call me naive and stupid
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if I think this, but I would imagine that like
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a flight attendant couple, like you guys are
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bonding together through work trips and stuff
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like that. There seems to be a sort of like elevated
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eventfulness to your relationship that say me
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and my wife are not going to have. I mean, I'm,
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you know, a podcaster. I'm a ride share driver.
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My wife is a vet tech. So it's the usual thing
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of like, Oh, like our bonding is going to happen
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whenever we're home from work or wherever, or
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whatever we're doing on the weekends. But you
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guys, I feel like a lot of it is like, Oh, we're
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traveling to this city, that city. We're going
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to take in this experience, that experience.
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Like the equivalent of me and my wife saying,
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all right, like here's this once in a lifetime
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thing. We're going to go to Vegas or whatever.
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We're going to have a big date night. It seems
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like you guys are doing that like. the daily
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on the weekly. So is that, is that kind of what
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it is or is it not because you know, there is
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a regularity to going from city to city. So maybe,
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maybe I'm thinking too much of it. No, I mean,
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you're pretty, you're pretty spot on. I, there's
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kind of like two schools of thought here because
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We do get to do some pretty incredible things
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that other people do not get to do because of
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our flight benefits And we're so grateful for
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that and we do have some epic date nights I mean
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we flew to Paris one time because we wanted to
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have dinner and we flew home the next day and
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just things like that Normal people don't get
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to do that unless you're insanely wealthy. And
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as flight attendants, we are not insanely wealthy.
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But that is kind of the perk of the job, too,
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is what we may not be getting in monetary value
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and wage compensation we are getting in other
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benefits. It's not lost on us that those are
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insanely cool, unique experiences that are not
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normal. But at the same time, it does become
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kind of normal in a way. But it makes you appreciate
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all the little things. But at the same time,
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you've got the other side of things where getting
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on airplanes is work for us. It's like going
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into the office. You know, you kind of can't
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turn that part of your brain off. So as fun and
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exciting and glamorous as it all can be sometimes,
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sometimes the last thing you want to do in your
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day off is go get on another airplane. Especially
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in our industry, we fly standby and it's all
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whether there's seat availability or not. So
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what could be like a fun getaway to Paris for
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a day could end up being a really expensive trip
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because your flight canceled or the flight filled
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up or is oversold. Now you've got to find a new
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route home and then you're stuck in some other
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city and you're not going to get home for three
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days. originally just plan to come back tomorrow.
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So it's more complicated than it than it looks.
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But yeah, we love to play up how exciting it
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is on social media for sure. Yeah, I was gonna
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say like, because I remember when you and I met
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at the podcast movement, networking conference
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in New York City back in September, you had mentioned
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that it is sort of a gamble. Like, yes, you have
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the perk of, you know, getting a complimentary
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trip to wherever you want as a flight attendant,
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but like, you have to make sure that there's
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a seat availability. So what's the ratio of luck
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on that? Like, are you more often than not lucky
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to find a seat or is it a rare thing to be able
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to find an available seat and hop onto Paris
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for a night? Like, how does that work? I'm almost
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afraid to admit this publicly, but I've had really
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good luck. There's been a few times where we've
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had to pivot and go a different way or stay an
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extra day somewhere, but I haven't had anything,
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knock on wood, too nightmarish. But, you know,
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it's all about kind of knowing the system too.
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You know, there's certain things you just do
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and don't do, like trying to... get on a flight
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to Rome in the middle of the summer when it's
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like peak Taurus season. You're kind of dreaming
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there and you're probably setting yourself up
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for some heartbreak. So yeah, things things like
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that. You kind of get used to like, OK, I know
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certain things like, for example, we always take
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vacation in October because that's kind of a
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weird lull in the aviation industry between summer
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travel and holiday travel, where people are,
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you know. back, kids are back to school. Families
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are busy at home and they're not really traveling
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as much. So kind of knowing when you can take
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those big exciting trips is important. Hey, I
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got new glasses. Oh wait, you wouldn't know that
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if you're only listening, you would only loan
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that for sure. If you're watching on YouTube,
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you so that you could tell me in the comments,
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whether you liked my glasses or not subscribe
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to YouTube. at the delicious culture. John Francois
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at the delicious culture. J O N F R A N C O I
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S. And now I'm taking my glasses off because
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again, that's something you can only watch on
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YouTube as a flight attendant, your dream passenger
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and your absolute annoying pet peeve. Passenger
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because I'm assuming you've been doing it long
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enough where you kind of know Like who this is
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who I love to be on a plane and this is Yes,
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I mean I'm 13 years in now and I've got some
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stories for sure the dream passenger is You know,
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I think a lot of people have this misconception
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that our dream passenger is someone who Like
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we always joke sits down shuts up and doesn't
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ask for anything. And well, obviously that's
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kind of nice to a degree, we don't mind when
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people want something or need something. So for
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me, the dream passenger is really just the one
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that has some self -awareness because people
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are so stuck in their phones and they're overwhelmed
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with travel and whatever, and they kind of get
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into their own little world and forget that they're
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in a confined space with hundreds of other people.
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So, you know, coming on during boarding and saying
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hello to the crew, kind of acknowledging that
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we exist. Um, you know, being able to sit down,
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put your bags away without really causing too
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much, um, of a backup. Um, being aware of the
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fact that we're in the cart with, or in the aisle
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with heavy carts and, um, now's not the best
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time for you to get up and go to the bathroom
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because we have to now move said heavy cart back
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and forth while you go to the restroom. Just
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certain things like that, just awareness. I love
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a self -aware passenger. Um, and then. Oh, and
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one with manners. That helps, too. Not a lot
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of those things. Yeah, no, not a lot of that.
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Just kind of demanding things from us. And I'm
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like, oh, OK. But the passenger pet peeve thing,
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we've done a lot of episodes about this on our
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podcast now of things that really just drive
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us bonkers. And I mean, how many hours do you
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have? Five. Yeah. But I would say some top pet
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peeves are just the people who kind of going
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off what I just said are just completely in their
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own little bubble. I mean, they just they act
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like this is their first day on earth. They are
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surprised by everything and in You know, an age
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where we have access to so much information.
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You can look up what's going to happen to you
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and what your flight is going to look like well
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before it even happens. You know, like you can
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figure out what kind of aircraft type you're
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on. You can figure out if there's going to be
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food on the flight or if this plane has outlets
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and wifi and things like that. And just the lack
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of preparedness that people have when they travel
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always blows my mind because they'll just come
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on and request crazy things like you'll have
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a mom. who's surprised you don't have formula
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for her baby. And it's like, why would you think
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we have that? Or in that recent episode that
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I listened to while I was driving yesterday,
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the person that was like, hey, do you have a
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dog -sized dog bowl, like specifically for a
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dog? Yeah, because that's what airlines have.
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Right. Yes. Yes. And our dog bowl cabinet over
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here, because there's so much space on an airplane.
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It's just kind of things like that. The outlandish
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requests. Just the again lack of awareness like
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the noise cancelling headphones is one of my
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biggest pet peeves. I get it I want to check
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out when I'm on a flight to but have some Situational
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awareness to know if someone's like speaking
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to you or if there's a cart in the aisle I mean,
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I can't tell you how many times you've got people
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who just straight -up ignore us you're like do
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you want something to drink and you're waving
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your arms at them and they just do not look up
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and Without fail, 10 minutes later. Yeah, exactly.
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And without fail, 10 minutes later, they're going,
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oh, you skipped me. Well, I did not. Ask the
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audience here. Everyone saw me trying to get
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your attention. Yeah, you were just into Grey's
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Anatomy on your phone, damn it. Like, pay attention.
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There's a real world out there. Exactly. And
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like, you know, if you want to check out and
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ignore me, and then you're not going to bother
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me later, that's fine too. But yeah, just the
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way people go about things sometimes is always
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fascinating. Yeah, yeah. Um, I really loved how
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we met. We met, um, I mean, we, so we were, we
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both attended the podcast movement conference
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in New York city, but we didn't meet like at
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the sessions. It was more so at the bus brought
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meetup that happened at a bar. What was the bar
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that we went to in New York? Do you remember
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what the name was? I don't remember that it was
18:16
some, it's something Irish. I think like, Oh,
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Murphy's or something like that. Yeah. Um, and
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I remember coming up to you, um, and thinking
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that like, based on the way you described bus
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sprout, one of the most popular podcasts hosting
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providers out there, um, the way you were describing,
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like why you liked them. I almost thought like
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you worked with them, that you were a spokesperson.
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And so you're just an enthusiastic user of Buzzsprouts.
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And by the way, like anybody who does a podcast
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has a chance to go to one of these Buzzsprout
18:53
meetups afterwards after a podcast conference.
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Do go because they provide the dinner and the
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drinks and they will interact with you wonderfully
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about your podcast. And then, so we talked over
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drinks, we met some other people, and then I
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think we went to a diner afterwards that was
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recommended by two random people in a hotel.
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Is that what it was? And the food was diner food.
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I was the only one that liked my meal. Like Jordan,
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Jordan Blair from Bus Brow was next to me. She
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was envious as to as to what I had. It was like
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literally a simple burger, fries and milkshake.
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And I was satisfied with it probably because
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I had expectations about diner food, which is
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not much. And I think when you start with low
19:33
expectations, you are enjoying the food a lot
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better. But what did you end up having? I think
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if if we it had been approached of like we're
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going to go to this diner for like a late dinner
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my expectations would have been different but
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we asked locals what the best spot in the neighborhood
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was and they said this diner so that's when my
19:54
expectation level started raising because I was
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like well shoot if the locals like are raving
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about it it must be like exceptional diner food
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and that's where I think The phrase exceptional
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diner food is where I made my mistake. Well to
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be fair there were like two middle -aged men
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and Also, I feel like and yeah middle -aged men
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I just feel like they don't don't trust them
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in terms of what they think is great food. They
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might not be foodies Exactly. Like, they have,
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like, me, I have a flexible palate. My wife is
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gonna be a lot more picky about certain things
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than I am. I'm not middle -aged, but I'm getting
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close to there, so I feel like there's that.
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And also, like, I get why people think the locals
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really know the best places, but also I think
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of it in terms of, well, the locals, especially
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if you're in New York, like, you're there every
20:44
day trying to survive financially. And you're
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probably going to choose... things that are financially
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sustainable and affordable, and that diner had
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the air of, okay, we're gonna give you financially
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sustainable and affordable food. So that's what
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I think. It was a very approachable establishment,
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for sure. Yeah, but what did you have? I think
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I had a chicken parm sandwich. I mean, it was
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fine. It just, I wasn't like, you know, wasn't...
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worth raving about, but it was, I mean, it was
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good enough. I ate it. I was starving. So did
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you even, did you even finish it? Oh, I think
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so. Okay. Okay. And Alvin from Buzzsprout, uh,
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he, uh, was drunk and he was just like, Oh, tell
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me, tell me what you like. He was asking the
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waiter like, Oh, tell me what you, what you,
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what you recommend. Give me the first thing and
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I'll have that. And the guy recommended steak
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and eggs. And I think Alvin, uh, had the same
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reaction as you where it's just like, you know,
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okay. I would say he seems the least satisfied
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with his meal. And he was drunk. And usually
21:49
when you're drunk, everything tastes good. You
21:50
don't care. Yeah, exactly. Trash off the ground
21:54
tastes good in your mouth, for Christ's sake.
21:56
Oh, my God. Oh, man. But anyway, it was a great
22:00
time getting to know you and the Buzzsprout people
22:02
that night. I hope we are going to meet again.
22:05
We might meet again at Podfest Expo in Orlando.
22:08
Are you coming to that? Yeah, that's... That's
22:10
my plan. I think, I think both my husband and
22:13
I are going to be there this year, which will
22:15
be perfect. Um, I, I don't know how much I can
22:17
say about this, but I was, uh, DMing Jordan from
22:20
bus proud on Instagram and it's up in the air
22:23
whether bus proud is going to make a presence
22:25
at pot fest Expo. It looks like they don't have
22:27
like the best relationship with them. So that's
22:29
tea that maybe I'll keep in on the podcast or
22:32
edit out. I'm not sure, but, um, it was surprising.
22:36
Yeah, yeah. Because you and I both listen to
22:38
the Buscast podcast that the bus route people
22:41
do about, you know, how to become a great podcaster.
22:44
And they usually sound like they have a great
22:45
time when they go to Podfest Expo in Orlando.
22:48
But like behind the scenes, you know, there might
22:50
be some, you know, stuff. I need tea. I know
22:54
the tea, yeah. So you and I at the bar before
22:57
the diner, you had talked about, and I've gotten
23:00
this from everybody, because keep in mind, this
23:02
was my very first podcast industry conference
23:06
that I went to. Yes, and what an experience it
23:09
was. So podcast movement in New York at the Terminal
23:14
5 was a mixed reception amongst most of the people
23:17
I talked to about it. And I wanted to gauge your
23:20
experience about it, maybe for our audience,
23:22
explain how the conference worked and also why
23:27
PodFest Expo is better. Well, first, I want to
23:32
preface this by saying I'm not that far ahead
23:35
of you in terms of going to these podcast events.
23:39
Because I went to PodFest in January of this
23:42
year. That was my first podcast event. And then
23:45
in August, I went to the Empowered Podcasting
23:49
Conference in Charlotte, and then in September,
23:53
Podcast Movement. And of those, I had always
23:57
heard the best things about Podcast Movement,
24:00
saying it was the most professional, the most
24:02
well done, the most organized, the biggest names
24:06
in the business. It had always been sold to me
24:09
as this just really cool experience. And from
24:13
what I understand, the recent changes in management
24:17
kind of changed the vibe a little bit this year.
24:22
So yeah, so podcast movement was an interesting
24:25
experience, I would say. All three of them are
24:28
vastly different experiences. So. To give clarification
24:33
on how podcast movement worked this year. Uh,
24:36
they opened it up to the podcasting community
24:38
as to like, Oh, give us your ideas for these
24:41
like quick breakout 20 minute sessions. And you
24:45
know, we'll, we'll, we'll open it up to voting
24:47
and whichever sessions get the most votes. Those
24:49
are the sessions that will be at. Podcasts movement
24:52
so sessions on how to monetize your podcast how
24:55
to create this kind of content for your podcast
24:57
blah blah blah blah blah And I get that they
25:00
were going for like a sort of fast -paced Rhythm
25:03
with all these breakout 20 -minute sessions in
25:05
Terminal 5 but I I can sort of get why people
25:11
weren't vibing with it because it was So much
25:15
information in such a quick period of time. It
25:17
could be easily overwhelming Also terminal five
25:20
is a indie concert venue with very poor lighting.
25:26
And this is the type of thing where podcasters
25:28
were social media savvy. We want to take pictures
25:30
at, I know a lot of people weren't crazy about
25:32
the lighting. They couldn't see anybody and they
25:34
couldn't take good pictures. So you combine all
25:37
that with all the short sessions and also people
25:40
were saying that there wasn't any valuable new
25:42
information that they were getting. I mean, I
25:45
don't know. How many sessions did you actually
25:47
get anything useful for him? Because for me,
25:49
like out of the 20 or so sessions that I attended
25:51
that were like 20 minutes or less, one session
25:55
I got extreme value on that I used to this day,
25:58
which is like, you know, using AI, Google search
26:01
rankings and search optimization to enhance discoverability
26:04
of my podcast. That was very useful for me, but
26:06
for everything else, it was just kind of like,
26:07
all right. Think I've kind of known this before
26:10
the same for me I think I went to the same one
26:13
that you're referring to because there were three
26:15
that stuck out to me one was Jordan from Buzzsprout.
26:20
She did a call to action one and that was great.
26:23
Yeah forgot that she yeah that one. I loved yeah
26:25
She was really great at reframing just like how
26:28
simple the call to actions are, but also how
26:31
important it is how you execute them in order
26:33
to make them useful. So that was really helpful.
26:37
There was another one about sponsorships and
26:40
like taking. the podcast sponsorship role on
26:45
for yourself and doing your own brands like deals
26:48
and things like that and How to go about doing
26:50
that and cutting out the middleman and I thought
26:52
that was interesting and then same with the YouTube
26:55
session But I would say that's kind of it. There
26:57
was a lot of selling for me, which is such a
27:01
turn off at these conferences. Obviously, most
27:03
of these speakers have some sort of avenue for
27:06
revenue where you can do coaching with them and
27:09
one on one and things like that. But, you know,
27:11
these should be helpful sessions where you're
27:13
actually giving actionable tips to people that
27:17
they can take and apply to their own show and
27:19
their own life and whatever. And there were a
27:21
few sessions where it was just kind of like.
27:23
And in my book, you will learn and it's like,
27:28
can I learn something right now, please? Just
27:31
anything. And I find that sort of stuff frustrating
27:35
because when there's, you know, what, four to
27:37
six sessions at a time, it's like, well, you're
27:40
wasting my time now, because what if someone
27:42
else is doing something really valuable over
27:44
there? I need to now go run over there and figure
27:46
that out. So I was getting kind of overwhelmed
27:48
by by that, for sure. And the biggest thing that
27:53
I noticed too that was so different is Most of
27:56
these podcast conferences, everybody talks about
27:59
how the magic is in the hallways. You know, the
28:02
sessions are great, you're going to learn a lot,
28:04
but it's all about the networking and the connections.
28:06
And I mean, think of how you and I met. Like,
28:08
the networking and the connections matter so
28:10
much because you build this network of people
28:13
doing the same thing that you're doing and understand
28:15
what you're going through. And sometimes you
28:17
learn from those people. And that venue, like
28:21
you said, being an indie concert venue, did not
28:23
lend to that at all. There was just like... dark
28:26
corners where you could pull off and talk to
28:28
someone, which is not the right vibe for networking
28:31
at all. Or, you know, outside or whatever the
28:35
case may be. And so I found it really hard to
28:37
talk to people. There's a few people I've connected
28:40
with via the app that they used after the fact.
28:44
And they've been like, oh, I didn't see you.
28:47
And we've all agreed it's just sensory overload.
28:50
And it was like, I couldn't even walk up to someone
28:52
and talk to anybody because it was weird with
28:55
the headphones on, you know, for those of you
28:59
that don't know. everything happened in one space,
29:03
and you tune your headphones to a different color,
29:06
which matches the stage, yeah. And that was the
29:09
first time I'd ever done something like that,
29:11
and I don't think I like it. I mean, it made
29:14
sense, because it was a small space, and there's
29:16
just no way you're gonna hear what's going on
29:18
with that small space and all these voices, so
29:20
I got why they did that, but I agree with you
29:23
that, like, oh yeah, like... This seems like
29:26
a very strangely isolated way to consume what
29:33
should be like an all around community open session,
29:38
if that makes any sense. Um, and maybe they were
29:41
going for like, Oh yeah, this is how we listen
29:43
to podcasts, like on our headphones, but like,
29:45
um, yeah, it just, uh, you know, sometimes there
29:48
were audio issues going on with some of the channels
29:50
that we had to switch to. You know, so I don't
29:55
know how they're going to do it next year if
29:57
they do it like this. I don't know if I'm going
29:58
to attend podcast movement again. And I know
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Bouncing off of Jordan's session, I totally forgot
30:56
Jordan Blair from Breast Spread, as you had mentioned,
30:58
did a great session on call to actions, how to
31:00
actually get listeners to do what you ask them
31:02
to do. Cause what I used to do was at the end
31:05
of an episode, just like, overload them with
31:08
like up subscribe to me on YouTube and you know
31:10
donate to me on PayPal and like all these million
31:13
things and now thanks to Jordan's advice I've
31:16
like now spread it out so that like usually I
31:19
just do like one call to action per episode and
31:22
it happens like 15 minutes into the podcast where
31:24
it's like all right it's early enough in the
31:25
episode where you have a good taste of it and
31:27
I'm more likely gonna get you to do this thing
31:29
as opposed to at the end of the episode where
31:31
it's information overload and you're probably
31:33
tuned out by this point so I'm really appreciative
31:36
of Jordan and for giving that advice. But can
31:39
you specifically state, like, what made Podfest
31:42
Expo an empowered podcasting conference, those
31:46
conferences in Orlando and Charlotte? What specifically
31:49
makes them better than what we experienced at
31:51
podcast movement this year? I think for me, the
31:54
biggest... thing that made those two conferences
31:57
better was it just had more of a community aspect
32:02
to it. People felt connected a lot more, and
32:05
whether that's to do with having space in the
32:07
hallways to have conversations or not, you were
32:11
more likely to talk to people. You know, you
32:13
go into a breakout room five minutes before a
32:16
session starts, you sit down next to someone.
32:18
It's pretty quiet in the room. You start. conversing
32:21
with them. What's your podcast? What do you do?
32:24
Like what brings you here? And you there's more
32:27
organic opportunities to strike up conversations
32:29
with people that you don't know. And by, you
32:33
know, the second day of it, you're seeing people,
32:35
you know, in the hallways and you're waving at
32:37
them and you're asking how they're doing. And
32:38
you kind of form these connections with people
32:41
that you couldn't really weren't really able
32:43
to be built in the the podcast movement environment
32:47
as much. Um, and so I think that's the biggest
32:51
thing is just an overall sense of community and
32:54
we're all in this together versus we're all walking
32:57
around a crowded dark room with headphones on,
32:59
not talking to each other. Um, and I hate to
33:02
keep dogging on it cause there was a lot of,
33:04
you know, great stuff that happened at podcast
33:06
movement, but it just, for me personally, that's
33:10
not like my favorite way to learn. Yeah. Um,
33:14
I mean, I was lucky to talk to a few people here
33:16
in their network with a few people in their podcast
33:18
movement, but I remember, like, the first night
33:22
I got into Terminal 5, it was the pre -party,
33:25
like, the weird ape -faced stand -up comedian
33:28
with the politically incorrect jokes and the
33:30
comedians, and they were bantering. They had
33:32
that event that I went to before the two -day
33:34
conference started. Oh, I missed that. Yeah,
33:38
you didn't miss much. It was really strange.
33:41
But yeah, no, it just sounds... But just like
33:44
but just experiencing the divide like oh, okay.
33:47
Here are the people in the audience seats watching
33:51
this Comedian centered podcasts, whatever the
33:55
fuck they were doing And then, oh, there's the
33:57
people at the bar chatting amongst each other.
34:00
And then there's like the people sitting in the
34:02
back, like right near me, who was on their phones
34:04
and were not really paying attention to what's
34:06
going on. There was just all these separate sections
34:09
of, of whatever the fuck people were doing as
34:12
opposed to like, oh, we're all like involved
34:15
in the same thing. We're all in this community,
34:18
like, you know, experiencing the same thing.
34:20
I mean, so, um, Yeah, I mean, from from the get
34:23
go, it was kind of set up to be that way. And
34:26
I remember Andy, who I know from New England
34:29
podcasters group, mentioning that a great thing
34:33
that she loves about podfest expo, because she
34:35
also didn't like podcast movement this year,
34:37
was that the hotel is where you could stay at.
34:43
And also it's where the conference is. So like
34:46
after a session or whatever, uh, you could like
34:49
easily meet with people who are also having a
34:51
room in that hotel, like, oh yeah, let's go out
34:53
and grab a drink. But whereas with podcast movement,
34:55
it's like, oh, here's this music venue. And then.
34:58
you know, after the day is over, everybody's
35:00
just going to go off in their own separate direction
35:03
in their own separate ways. Me, my hotel was
35:05
like a 30 minute walk from, from, from Terminal
35:08
5. Same here. And we were comparing, we were
35:10
comparing where yours was and where mine were.
35:13
And they were 30 minutes in the opposite direction.
35:15
Yeah. They made it seem like it was like nearby,
35:18
five minutes away. But like 30 minutes, I was
35:21
like, and it was humid and 80 degrees in New
35:23
York that those stretch of days. So that was
35:25
a sweaty walk that I took, but. So, okay, so
35:28
you're saying that I should definitely give PodFest
35:30
and Empowered Podcasting Conference a try? I
35:33
think so. PodFest is large. There's a lot of
35:38
people there, a lot of sessions. Empowered Podcasting
35:41
Conference is much smaller, which I feel like
35:44
has its pros and cons, too. You really get to
35:47
know people at Empowered Podcasting Conference,
35:50
but there aren't as many breakout sessions and
35:51
things like that. So that's one drawback to it.
35:55
But both... Very valuable experiences in my opinion
35:59
and before we get to our delicious questions.
36:01
This brings me You know, this ties into what
36:04
you do for a living and what you do on your podcast.
36:07
Um, because the great thing about podcast movement
36:09
being in New York, you know, me being in Vermont
36:12
only six and a half hours away, I'm like, Oh
36:14
yeah, I'm just going to get in a car and I'm
36:15
going to drive down to the city and park and
36:17
it'll be great flying. Uh, I think I haven't
36:20
flown anywhere since my trip to LA in the summer
36:24
of 2025. When I, when I shot a micro drama there,
36:27
I'm an occasional actor. Um, cool. And then I
36:31
had a lot more confidence about flying than I
36:34
do now. I mean, I think especially with all the
36:38
delays and then you had those terrible news stories
36:40
with the ICE agents at the airports. Um, I want
36:44
you to instill confidence to me that I will be
36:47
okay getting on a plane these days because it
36:49
just seems like I'm always hearing, like, especially
36:52
like, you know, having passengers come in my
36:54
car as an Uber lift driver. Oh my God, my flight
36:56
got canceled. My flight got delayed, blah, blah,
36:57
blah. Like I'm hearing more and more of that
36:59
these days. So from your perspective as a flight
37:01
attendant, where are we in terms of like the
37:06
efficiency of flying? Like, should I be concerned,
37:09
uh, going into the new year for podfest expo
37:11
or you think I'll be okay? Like because I mean
37:14
I know delays and cancellations that they're
37:15
out of my control, but like What are the chances
37:18
of that? Not happening. Well, I mean like most
37:23
things in the aviation industry. It's really
37:25
hard to predict things And it's it's kind of
37:30
a roller coaster of an industry So I don't want
37:34
to give you false hope But I mean take everything
37:39
with a grain of salt, you know, prepare for prepare
37:43
for something like a delay or a cancellation.
37:46
Just kind of have it in the back of your mind
37:49
so that if it does happen, you're less stressed
37:52
about it because you've thought about it. You've
37:54
thought about what you might do in that situation.
37:57
You've kind of thought through some options in
38:00
case it doesn't work out. And that's what I always
38:03
tell people, because whether you. have a bad
38:06
experience or not, if you are completely blindsided
38:09
by whatever happens to you, you're going to be
38:12
a way bigger wreck, like when it finally happens,
38:15
because, you know, an hour or two delay is not
38:19
a big deal, but when things, you know, like January,
38:22
you've got winter storms happening in the Northeast.
38:26
That could be a factor. You know one one big
38:28
snowstorm could Kind of wreck things so you've
38:32
just kind of think about that sort of stuff and
38:34
have it in the back of your mind You know go
38:36
in hopeful like that everything is gonna work
38:39
out and your flight's gonna take off and land
38:40
at the time that it's supposed to but I always
38:43
tell people to just kind of have it in the back
38:44
of your brain it's gonna make you a lot calmer
38:47
when you travel and a lot more relaxed when things
38:50
if and when things do go wrong. Like giving myself
38:54
a day or two, like I'm already planning to do
38:57
before Podcast Expo or Podfest Expo actually
39:00
starts. Like, is that okay? Should I give myself
39:03
more room in advance? No, for something like
39:06
Podfest, I would go in maybe the night before
39:10
early. I forget how is it? Does it start Friday
39:15
or Thursday? I believe it's a They're you know,
39:19
it's it's like January 14 through 17. I think
39:21
it's like a Thursday. Yeah, it's like Thursday
39:23
through Sunday Yeah, so if sessions start early
39:27
on Thursday, I would plan on coming in Wednesday
39:30
sometime Yeah, yeah and then just leave first
39:33
thing Sunday, especially if you have work that
39:35
you need to get back to I always recommend going
39:38
first flight of the day even if it sucks to get
39:41
up at three o 'clock in the morning because that's
39:44
Your best bet for not having things go wrong
39:47
yet like things just kind of snowball throughout
39:50
the day So if that first flight as a mechanical
39:53
that second flight is now delayed because of
39:55
that And then there's weather that rolls in in
39:57
the afternoon like the things kind of pile on
40:00
So your best bet for avoiding delays is usually
40:04
the first flight of the day I'm finding though
40:07
and maybe this is like me doing too much limited
40:10
searching because I'm tracking everything by
40:13
Google flights. They send me emails when prices
40:15
have dropped. But lately it seems like it's been
40:19
a lot cheaper to stay a few days longer in Florida
40:23
than fly back when I wanted to fly back, which
40:25
was like the Sunday or Monday, like immediately
40:27
after the event. So unfortunately, I'm again,
40:32
my primary income Uber and lifting, as you know,
40:35
it's a flexible schedule. I can set my own hour,
40:37
so I'm not worried about that. But at the same
40:39
time, it's like, oh crap, I'm going to be in
40:41
Florida for an entire week when I thought I was
40:43
going to be there for three or four days. And,
40:46
you know, I'm going to have to eat three meals
40:47
and all this stuff. So it's like, see, then that's
40:50
when you got to factor all that in. It's like
40:51
you've got hotel, you've got food, you've got
40:54
other expenses now. Like sometimes it's just
40:56
worth it to spend the $200 more on the flight
40:58
or whatever the case may be. But yeah, I always,
41:02
I always think about that too, because. You know,
41:05
with conferences, for example, podfest, I think
41:08
like a thousand people go. So a lot of people
41:11
are going to Orlando for this one event. And
41:14
Orlando is like a major conference place and
41:17
they're usually Thursday through Sunday, Friday
41:20
through Sunday. So you and everybody else is
41:23
looking for flights on the same days. So that's
41:25
probably why prices are jacked up. Um, but yeah,
41:28
I mean maybe spend a few days there make a vacation
41:31
out of it. Take your wife go to Universal or
41:33
something. I don't know. I'm not a theme park
41:35
person, but I'll make a good time. Don't worry.
41:37
I'll get stuff done. I'll enjoy the weather.
41:40
It'll be fine. It'll be fine. Um, all right.
41:42
Well, so, okay. So thank you for indulging me
41:44
in that. Cause like, like I said, it seems like
41:46
the, you know, the whole flight situation has
41:50
changed dramatically in the Year and a half since
41:53
I last flew. I mean, I know that you're not you're
41:56
not wrong. It's it's definitely an issue I mean,
41:59
I keep joking with people that I have more flights
42:02
that are delayed than are on time these days.
42:04
It's crazy and You know, you've got our government
42:07
to thank for that too the pressure that they're
42:10
putting on the FAA and FAA is putting on air
42:13
traffic controllers They're understaffed. They're
42:15
overworked They're underpaid and they're just
42:18
being put in these impossible situations. And
42:20
the whole infrastructure of our industry is just
42:23
like at max capacity. And yeah, it's something's
42:27
got to give because it's just causing delay after
42:29
delay. Yeah. They cut out, I believe they cut
42:32
out the DEI program. Of course, the fuel prices
42:35
from the Iran war is insane. I know that's affecting
42:37
the aviation industry. Not a good time, but I
42:41
definitely want to go to PodFest. I definitely
42:43
want to go to Empowered, so I will probably suck
42:45
it up and hope for the best. Yes, I will cross
42:49
my fingers for you. Yeah, absolutely. All right,
42:52
Rich, let's wrap up with our three delicious
42:54
questions that I ask everybody on The Delicious
42:56
Culture. First off, what is a delicious meal
42:58
that you've had lately? This kind of goes back
43:02
to you saying that I have ridiculous flight attendant
43:05
moments. I just got back from India and I have
43:11
never really been an Indian food kind of person.
43:15
It was never really my cuisine. generic pasty
43:19
white guy, of course. You can't have too much
43:22
flavor in my food. And I grew to really enjoy
43:26
it. I mean, obviously I've had traditional American
43:30
Indian, so to speak, like butter chicken and
43:34
tiki masala and things like that. But I just
43:36
grew to really enjoy the spices that they use
43:39
and just the different flavors. And spicy food
43:44
always kind of scared me. But I feel like there's
43:46
a difference between food that's hot and food
43:49
that's spicy because it's flavorful. And a lot
43:52
of the dishes that I had there were just so good,
43:55
just delicious. I can't even pinpoint one, but
43:58
I am now a big lover of Indian food and I never
44:01
thought I would say that. Well, I think a big
44:02
part of that is you went to the source. You went
44:04
to India. I mean, I would assume that they are
44:07
the ones that know how to make it the best. So
44:10
there definitely is something to like the American
44:13
chain. of Indian food that probably affects people's
44:19
opinion of it. I definitely have to make a trip
44:21
to India. Now, this was part of your perk of
44:24
being a flight attendant. You were like, oh,
44:25
let's, you know, because I think you had posted
44:27
on Instagram, you and your husband and some of
44:31
the galley gang, didn't you guys go on this trip
44:33
together or was this a separate trip? Yes. Yes.
44:35
You did your research. I love that. Yeah. I just
44:38
scroll through Instagram. That's what my research
44:40
is. You can call it research. It's fine. Sure.
44:44
It's where we get most of our information these
44:45
days anyway. Yeah. But yeah, we started doing
44:48
group travel with our our audience probably two
44:51
years ago now and India was our sixth group trip.
44:55
So yeah, so we had a group of 20 people that
44:57
came with us and it was such a cool experience.
45:01
It's just really cool to be able to do that with
45:03
people that found you and connect with you on
45:06
certain things and then you kind of go get to
45:08
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I don't like it. I mean, it looks professional
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pop culture obsession anything you're watching
46:19
listening to reading that you love and you want
46:20
to share I mean my number one pop culture obsession
46:24
Right now mentioning. This is funny timing because
46:28
she's been in the media a lot But I have always
46:31
been a die -hard Kelly Clarkson fan. I just I
46:35
love her I've flown all over the country to see
46:37
her I've been to her talk show more times than
46:41
I can count. I was at the last episode. I was
46:45
supposed to be on the show, actually, and then
46:47
got cut last minute. Like, I am a Die Hard, yeah.
46:51
That's a scoop. Wait, wait, tell me the background.
46:53
How did they discover you guys? So they, I'm
46:57
just, I'm there all the time, literally. And
47:00
they, they were choosing some Die Hard fans to
47:03
do, this last episode where she was doing a fan
47:07
request of her, like, greatest songs or whatever.
47:10
And you choose a song, tell them why you love
47:13
it, and then they, she performs it on the show.
47:16
Um, and her last episode is basically a concert.
47:18
And so I was chosen to do one of the songs, but
47:21
they ended up choosing two people per song. And
47:25
just for the sake of time, cut the second person,
47:28
um, on most of them. And, uh, I was, I was cut.
47:33
But it's okay. I was there. I got to be there.
47:37
I got to watch the rehearsal. They felt bad for
47:40
me for cutting me, because I was the first one
47:43
they cut, so they let me watch the rehearsal.
47:45
I got to hang out in a dressing room backstage.
47:48
So, I mean, my life is good. It's okay. Yeah,
47:51
yeah. What are your takes? Speaking of her being
47:54
currently in the news, because I know that she
47:55
was in the news for two things. One, because
47:59
of her... pro, seemingly pro stance on AI on
48:04
the last culture recess podcast. I listened to
48:06
the podcast regularly. So I knew that she got
48:09
a lot of backlash for that. Um, and also, um,
48:12
I think there was like a pop up store situation
48:14
where she wanted some item that was like worth
48:15
15 grand, but it wasn't for sale. And she was
48:18
making a big hullabaloo about that. The art of
48:20
play, I think was the name of the story where
48:22
she tried to get the item from. So, uh, what
48:24
are your takes on those two stories, which I
48:27
guess make people hate Kelly Clarkson in this
48:29
moment. Well, you can never make me hate Kelly
48:32
Clarkson. She'd have to do something pretty egregious
48:36
for me to dislike her. The AI conversation is,
48:41
it was a weird one. I think she said I love AI
48:45
in kind of an off the cuff way and then was trying
48:49
to, I don't know, make it make sense with the
48:53
way she was talking about how it helps certain
48:55
people. And I don't know, I'd be curious to hear
48:58
her thoughts. her deeper thoughts on that because
49:01
sometimes I think she just kind of, you know,
49:03
is talking and stuff comes out. But I mean, we
49:07
all kind of use AI in our own way. I feel like
49:12
if anyone says they don't use it, I mean, more
49:15
power to you. But I think we all kind of use
49:17
it for little things here and there. So it's
49:20
kind of unavoidable right now. But I do feel
49:23
like it's taking over and it's getting a little
49:25
out of hand. And so I don't necessarily agree
49:28
with her saying I love AI because I definitely
49:30
have my reservations about it. And I think, especially
49:33
in the podcasting world, I feel like it's taking
49:35
over a little too much. And I just I feel like
49:39
I'm getting newsletters and emails from people
49:42
or show notes and things that are just clearly
49:45
chat GPT written. And it makes me feel kind of
49:49
icky because I love the creative process of podcasting
49:53
and. I use it to brainstorm and come up with
49:58
ideas, sure, but fully writing and automating
50:01
everything you do takes the you out of your show,
50:05
and I'm nervous about what that means for podcasting.
50:09
Yeah. First off, I will say that I hate, even
50:12
though I like to read comments just to gauge
50:15
where people are at, I do it with hatred in my
50:18
heart because I just think that - The common
50:21
theme of common section on the internet, whether
50:23
it be through Spotify comments or Reddit or whatever,
50:26
there's no nuance. There's literally no nuance.
50:28
It's just, Oh, Kelly just said she liked Jack
50:30
check GBT. I'm going to turn off the episode.
50:32
I'm not going to listen to the rest of it. And
50:33
it's like, yeah, listen to the full thing. Um,
50:37
and I think I, I, I think I saw what Kelly was
50:42
saying, which is that AI can be a useful and
50:46
helpful tool. Like stress the word tool. For
50:50
me, I use it as a post -production tool on my
50:52
podcast. Um, but I vehemently disagree. And I
50:57
think Kelly feels the same way about it essentially
50:59
taking over humanity. Like, Oh, you know, the
51:02
whole thing about, um, people creating like AI
51:05
music to compete with actual real human made
51:08
music. I don't agree with that. No, I don't either.
51:11
The whole idea of like, oh, maybe there's like
51:14
a radio DJ that's completely AI or that actress,
51:17
Tilly Norwood, that's completely AI and she was
51:19
on Piers Morgan's show and randomly spoke Chinese
51:22
unsolicited. Like that stuff is freaky. I don't
51:24
agree with that. I certainly don't agree with
51:26
all the safety concerns with AI hacking into
51:28
things and potentially killing us all. Like that
51:31
I think is way out of hand and I think that should
51:33
be stopped. But I think that I believe the original
51:35
intention of it just being used as a tool. Um,
51:39
to, you know, give you some minor assists on,
51:42
on how you create your work day, how you create
51:44
your workflow. I'm all for that. I think that.
51:48
Uh, you know, as you know, there's, it is a production
51:51
grind trying to maintain a podcast week after
51:54
week after week. So having minor assists here
51:57
and there for AI or from AI, when it comes to
52:00
stuff like, you know, creating your graphics
52:01
or, you know, trying to word descriptions in
52:05
a certain way to increase discoverability, like
52:07
little things here and there without taking the
52:09
human element out of it. Like, I feel like that's
52:12
not the worst thing in the world. Um, so I think
52:15
the more we keep reminding ourselves that This
52:17
should just be a minor assist as opposed to a
52:21
complete human takeover. Like I don't want to
52:23
be out of a job. I don't, I don't want to be
52:25
able to like stop podcasting or stop driving.
52:27
I just need a little assist here and there to
52:30
make my day a little bit easier. So that's, that's
52:33
where I stand on AI. So yeah, I'm with you on
52:36
that. I just the taking the human factor out
52:39
of some of the most creative forms of art in
52:43
our world is it just feels so. Yuck to me. Yeah.
52:48
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Your Olivia
52:51
Rodrigo's, your Sabrina Carpenter's shouldn't
52:53
be competing with a fake robotic artist on the
52:57
billboard charts. That doesn't make sense to
52:59
me. That's not fair. Same. Because literally
53:01
the difference is one person putting their blood,
53:03
sweat and tears, all the human effort, writing
53:06
the lyrics, everything. And then you have someone
53:08
else who's on a computer, they just hit a few
53:11
buttons and then boom, they have a song out there.
53:13
That's the main difference. So I definitely don't
53:16
agree with that. And I remember Kelly saying
53:19
the same thing on the podcast. So for those of
53:20
you that are hating on her, listen to the full
53:23
episode. Have some nuance. Um, what is a delicious
53:28
thing that's happened in your life lately? Richard
53:29
to close this out. Wait, I have to say one more
53:31
thing about Kelly Clarkson because we didn't
53:32
address the bird fiasco and this bird fiasco
53:38
for me, like if you look at Kelly Clarkson's
53:41
history in our, you know, world since she won
53:44
Idol like 25 years ago. She's complained about
53:47
like three people ever. And one of them was Clive
53:50
Davis for being a shit bag. Um, one of them.
53:55
Yeah. One of them was, uh, I don't even remember.
53:58
There were like two, two or three people she's
54:00
ever complained about. And so I feel like for
54:02
her to. come out and say this about these people,
54:06
they must have done something to really rub her
54:09
the wrong way. Is this the art of play thing
54:12
that you're talking about? Yeah. Tell me the
54:15
whole thing because I still don't know the whole
54:17
story. She went into this expensive magic store
54:21
in Brooklyn, was looking around, picked up a
54:24
few things to buy. looked up on the wall there
54:27
was this like mechanical singing bird and had
54:30
a price tag on it and said fifteen thousand dollars
54:32
and she's like oh i want to buy that and they're
54:34
like oh you you know probably can't afford that
54:38
we'll find you something more comparable that
54:40
might be like more in your price range or whatever
54:42
um and she didn't like the way that that made
54:46
her feel by assuming that, you know, she can
54:49
or cannot afford something. And then they tried
54:52
to backpedal and say it wasn't for sale and that
54:54
Kelly was rude and all this stuff. And, like,
54:56
she walked around the store with her items in
54:59
the video clip, put them back where they belonged,
55:02
like very un -Karen -like of her, and then said
55:05
something to the cashier and then walked out.
55:07
Like... If you look at the interviews that this
55:10
store owner has done since then, talking about
55:12
Kelly Clarkson put us in danger. Um, you know,
55:16
he's fearful for his life. I'm like, I don't
55:20
really believe this man. I, I just, I believe
55:22
Kelly at this point. Yeah. Yeah. And, and we
55:25
have 25 years of looking on Kelly as like the
55:28
sweetest human alive who wouldn't intentionally
55:30
cause anybody trouble. So. Right. Yeah, I totally
55:34
believe it if she was not in the wrong. This
55:35
was great, Rich. Let's do this again sometime.
55:40
And... Wait, what was your last culture question?
55:43
I skipped it. Oh, yeah, yeah. What's a delicious
55:45
thing that's happened in your life lately? I'm
55:47
sorry, go ahead. Oh, a delicious thing is happening
55:49
in my life lately. I just went to Nepal after
55:53
our trip to India. And my husband and I go to
55:57
a new country every year for our wedding anniversary,
55:59
so we celebrated nine years. But Nepal was...
56:02
my 50th country. Wow. So I'm feeling pretty cool.
56:07
And tell me if you can, what stood out about
56:09
Nepal? Like what were the beautiful aspects of
56:12
it? It just after the hustle and bustle of India
56:16
being just very crowded and busy and loud and
56:22
kind of sensory overload. Nepal was very much
56:25
like a quiet retreat compared to India. And so
56:31
it definitely was a nice way to relax. The people
56:34
there are just so friendly, so hospitable. The
56:38
food is great. I mean, I think I ate my weight
56:41
in momos and it was delicious. Yeah, it's just
56:46
it's a really beautiful. country with just lovely
56:50
people and beautiful culture. Yeah, I loved it.
56:54
All right. I love that. You don't need to do
56:56
this because your podcast is insanely popular,
56:58
but I love you anyway, so I'm going to make you
57:00
do it. Remind everybody where to find you, all
57:03
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57:04
all that stuff. Yeah, you can find us at TwoGuysInAPlane
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Our username is the same everywhere. T -W -O
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57:28
curtain. All right. Wonderful. As you can see,
57:30
Rich, my next guest coming up is Dr. Lusette.
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