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Matt Carter: The Legacy of Emery's The Question | Furnace Fest 2025 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 2: This is the way it comes and when you have
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  Speaker 2: thought of that.
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  Speaker 3: Today we've got none other than Matt Carter for I
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  Speaker 3: believe the third time on this podcast. Hell yeah, uh,
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  Speaker 3: this might be the first time somebody that we've interviewed
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  Speaker 3: has been interviewed while they're in a Tesla, which is
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  Speaker 3: basically just a computer you can drive. At this point,
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is, and that's what like Tesla is
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  Speaker 3: known for us their software really it is.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a golf cart and iPhone put together.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah don't they really aren't. They essentially a like just
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  Speaker 5: a straight up tech company. Like that's why they can
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  Speaker 5: get around like all like the dealership requirements and stuff
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  Speaker 5: like that too.
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  Speaker 4: It's a different animal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I wasn't expecting it, but it's a totally
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  Speaker 2: different type of product as soon as I got in
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is a whole different
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  Speaker 2: category of thing. So yeah, it definitely feels like a
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  Speaker 2: different type of of product.
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  Speaker 6: What what Tesla do you have? Is it model Why?
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  Speaker 4: It's a why? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And it is okay, that feels like the very like
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you've got kids, you have to have
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  Speaker 3: a y Yeah for sure?
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  Speaker 4: For sure? Is that?
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  Speaker 5: And uh? And and what uh? Profanities have been scratched
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  Speaker 5: into your car so far in Seattle there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've I've I've had more interior damage from my
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  Speaker 2: own kids doing stuff to it than exterior so far.
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  Speaker 2: But in my neighborhood, you you need to have a
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  Speaker 2: fuck elon sticker on your Tesla to have a Tesla.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't have a dum feeling need to really
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  Speaker 2: do that, but it makes me nervous because there have
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  Speaker 2: been some definitely vandalisms.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think I think what you have to
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  Speaker 5: do is you just need to get a sticker on
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  Speaker 5: the back of your car. I don't know if you're
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  Speaker 5: a gun enthusiast or not, but you just need a
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  Speaker 5: sticker on the back of your car that says saving
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  Speaker 5: on gas to buy more AMMO and you'll be Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that'll help, that'll do the trick.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Matt, we didn't bring you on to just talk
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  Speaker 3: about Tesla. Let's talk about the question. Twentieth anniversary. I
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  Speaker 3: will say this is the first Emory album that I
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  Speaker 3: was like, like, I remember the whole like album cycle,
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  Speaker 3: the like the sort of promotion of it. By that point,
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  Speaker 3: I was like kind of old enough to like get
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  Speaker 3: into Emory, and so I really have a fondness for
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  Speaker 3: the question. I do think it probably is my favorite
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  Speaker 3: Emory album. I would have to maybe think about that
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more, but but like just off the
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  Speaker 3: top of my head, my guess is it's probably my
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  Speaker 3: favorite Emory album. I would imagine that's the case for
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  Speaker 3: a lot of Emery fans. But yeah, it was the
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  Speaker 3: first Emory album where I just remember like there being
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  Speaker 3: an entire album cycle, the promotion of it. I remember
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  Speaker 3: getting excited for the release of it, watching the Studying
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  Speaker 3: Politics music video, all of that, Like just that was
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  Speaker 3: the first album for me. So I have a special
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  Speaker 3: connection to it. Colin, I don't know if you have
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  Speaker 3: your own like story around the question.
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  Speaker 5: I love the question, but it's not even in my
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  Speaker 5: top five favorite Emory albums. Wow, that's I think that's
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  Speaker 5: also a song of praise there too, So.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if you give one of things
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  Speaker 2: you guys got better afterwards, Yeah, if you have four
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  Speaker 2: other ones you like better than that, then that makes
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  Speaker 2: you a fan not a hater.
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  Speaker 6: That's true. That's true.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was thinking about this the other day, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like Walls is still probably your top like.
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  Speaker 6: Song, at least on Spotify.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if like when you guys play that
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  Speaker 3: song live, like if it feels like it gets the
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  Speaker 3: most reactions. Still, but that had to have been one
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  Speaker 3: of the first songs you guys ever wrote, and to think,
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  Speaker 3: like the song that you guys wrote at what like
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  Speaker 3: twenty two to twenty three years old, one of the
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  Speaker 3: first songs you probably ever wrote, and at least from
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  Speaker 3: a fan reaction, it doesn't get any better still, Like
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  Speaker 3: that's that's I mean, that's like mister Brightside. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if you knew, but mister Brightside was the very
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  Speaker 3: first song the Killers ever wrote, and it just went
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  Speaker 3: all downhill from there. And it does it feel like
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  Speaker 3: it went downhill from Walls.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly right. I mean, you know it.
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  Speaker 2: The Wall's origin happened in the late nineteen hundreds. It
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  Speaker 2: was a different century, and it was the first thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's the oldest thing that is in Emery's catalog as
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  Speaker 2: far as its origin, and it's had some iterations and
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  Speaker 2: version updates all the way up until the beginning. Screaming
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  Speaker 2: was put in in during the recording of the Weeks
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  Speaker 2: and in two thousand and three, but I think it
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  Speaker 2: was probably started in ninety nine as a as an
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  Speaker 2: entity out there where there was a something that came
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  Speaker 2: home that came into the world.
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  Speaker 4: I came home from a.
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  Speaker 2: Show where we saw Hope Fall play and like ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine or something like that, and and something came out
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  Speaker 2: that was a riff that was doing this pretty thing
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  Speaker 2: and a heavy thing, and and then that evolved all
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  Speaker 2: the way into the song over a few years. But
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  Speaker 2: it was the earliest thing that was any that is Emery,
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  Speaker 2: and so it never got any better. It's definitely the
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  Speaker 2: biggest song. And even though the question is the biggest album,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't.
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  Speaker 6: It's not.
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  Speaker 2: You don't really close with any of those songs, and
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't have more plays on Spotify, and so it
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  Speaker 2: you know that might there's that's just the way it is,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess I wouldn't change it, and maybe we'll
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  Speaker 2: write a bigger song than Walls.
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  Speaker 4: Still, that's the only way I can say.
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  Speaker 2: All there's left to do is still try to top it,
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  Speaker 2: but I doubt it.
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  Speaker 6: I think you gotta be the only Reasonhony, you guys
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  Speaker 6: are still a.
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  Speaker 2: Band, Yes, because and I know that's a fact. That's
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  Speaker 2: has to be a fact because the reason we're still
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  Speaker 2: a band. I'm gonna make some claims to fame here.
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  Speaker 2: What is special about Emory is that we are not
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  Speaker 2: what I call a zombie band, because we are not
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  Speaker 2: a reanimated band that died and then was reanimated. We
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  Speaker 2: never stopped being a band, so AH am proud of
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  Speaker 2: that as we sit here in the long term cycle.
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  Speaker 4: We never stopped.
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  Speaker 2: Although I do think the same thing about the Bad
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  Speaker 2: Christian Podcast and the band is like, we're the smallest
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  Speaker 2: thing that you can be and survive. We're the smallest
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  Speaker 2: you could ever be as a band and survive across
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  Speaker 2: twenty years continuously as your primary thing that you could
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  Speaker 2: make a career out of a little bit smaller than us.
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  Speaker 2: No life, you die, and we have done everything to
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  Speaker 2: make it work, to not break up, to make it,
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  Speaker 2: just enough money to make it, to make it through
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  Speaker 2: the downtimes, to the whatever. So if you took any
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  Speaker 2: momentum out of us at all, we would not be here,
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  Speaker 2: or we wouldn't be hearing this current form at least
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  Speaker 2: that's continuous that I'm proud of. I mean, we could
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  Speaker 2: have broken up and come back shirt to really do
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  Speaker 2: the thing that emory is. That's the long lasting thing
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  Speaker 2: that's been going since the whole time here, twenty five years.
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  Speaker 4: Really, we've been a band.
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  Speaker 2: If you take walls out of that, there's no way
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  Speaker 2: there's enough momentum or money or streams or notoriety or
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  Speaker 2: word of mouth.
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  Speaker 4: There's just no chance. There's no chance without that one song.
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  Speaker 2: So so.
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  Speaker 5: What you're saying is you made just enough success from
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  Speaker 5: the first couple albums to get yourself at one point
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  Speaker 5: to have a free tesla from your uncle.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: So the question is kind of an interesting album for
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  Speaker 3: you all in comparison to maybe some well certainly The
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  Speaker 3: Week's End, But it's not like a concept album really,
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  Speaker 3: but there is kind of this conceptual piece to it.
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  Speaker 3: About you know, obviously, like every track is supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be kind of like followed by or like every track
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  Speaker 3: is sort of like the end of a question, that's
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  Speaker 3: the question. Yeah, Like was that something that like I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, like whose idea was that? Like what was
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  Speaker 3: there a purpose for that to like make it feel
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more conceptual being I'm curious, like just
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  Speaker 3: kind of that kind of factoid of the album.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the album is an attempt, for sure to be
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  Speaker 2: more of what I would say today at least I
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  Speaker 2: would identify as it's to be more immersive of a
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  Speaker 2: feel than a lot of albums. So there's transitions and
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  Speaker 2: stuff between songs, and it is very it goes goes go,
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  Speaker 2: like there's not breaks between the songs and everything. So
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  Speaker 2: it's supposed to feel immersive, and when we play it live,
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  Speaker 2: that's the way our set is designed. This in this
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  Speaker 2: like the Week's Same was very loose and we play
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  Speaker 2: them out of order and talk between songs, and this
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  Speaker 2: one just wants to be just super forward and focused
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  Speaker 2: and have you pulled into it. But it's not supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be a concept record where you're supposed to all
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  Speaker 2: the songs tell a bigger story. It's not that right,
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  Speaker 2: but it's nice to give people the feeling of that,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 5: It's like non sequitor with segues.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I like that feeling of that. But it's
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  Speaker 2: it's if you try to pull off a concept record,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't ever really work. And people always tell us
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  Speaker 2: that we're theatrical, they'll say, and it sounds like a musical,
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  Speaker 2: they'll say, And I love that feedback, but it's a
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  Speaker 2: little ambitious to actually do that. So I think we've
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  Speaker 2: always known that. My mom used to say that even
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago, you should do a musical. It's
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  Speaker 2: a musical. Especially with the two vocalists, I think it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they're having a dialogue. It's lines from something, So you
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  Speaker 2: want it to be a story, and so all the
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  Speaker 2: things that make it feel more that way are good.
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  Speaker 2: So having a theme to it, having the stuff in
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  Speaker 2: the fold out of the of the album, it seems
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  Speaker 2: like the questions of the thing is you delivered the
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  Speaker 2: envelope somebody and he gives it to him, and what
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  Speaker 2: is it? So it's just intended to sit on that
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  Speaker 2: boundary and not have concrete answers, which I believe is
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  Speaker 2: really wise, especially looking back on it, to not have
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  Speaker 2: been over ambitious to say it is a certain thing
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  Speaker 2: and try to control it so people can put their
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  Speaker 2: own meaning into it. That's definitely the territory that it's in.
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  Speaker 2: So having that question, since it's called the question, and
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  Speaker 2: the each song is like a response to a question,
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  Speaker 2: and the era is that time when songs have these
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  Speaker 2: weird song titles anyway, so you could like say these
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  Speaker 2: really long weird song titles and that just to tile
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  Speaker 2: that up kind of the bow with the preemptive kind
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  Speaker 2: of question and albums called the question. I think it's genius.
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  Speaker 2: Looking back, I was like, wow, that was really cool.
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  Speaker 2: How did that work? You know, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't super thoughtful, but it was just following each
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  Speaker 2: impulse and then tying things together. And you're putting an
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  Speaker 2: album together and you're it feels like you're unlocking it
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  Speaker 2: as you're going through that process, and then I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how it wound up. So we had the idea
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  Speaker 2: to have it look like an invitation, like wow, like
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  Speaker 2: that's that. All that stuff really does pull you in,
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  Speaker 2: So that but it's you know, I would it suggest
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  Speaker 2: you try to decode the story.
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  Speaker 6: It's a good Uh.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good way to put it, I think, and
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  Speaker 5: that makes total sense when you when you listen to
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  Speaker 5: the record itself. I'm kind of curious as as a
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  Speaker 5: guitar player, primarily when you look back at your guitar
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  Speaker 5: playing skills at that time, are you like happy with
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  Speaker 5: your output then or do you feel like like because
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  Speaker 5: obviously you're gonna grow as a musician, right, but do
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  Speaker 5: you view that time of your life as like, Hey,
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  Speaker 5: I'm still really really proud of my guitar playing, or wow,
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  Speaker 5: I would have fixed so many different things.
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  Speaker 2: Or I feel like your question sets SMI up for
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  Speaker 2: this insecurity of I would have said yes until you
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  Speaker 2: just asked me. Now, I think you're saying it sounds
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  Speaker 2: like immature guitar playing.
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  Speaker 5: No, it definitely does not. That's not what I meant.
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  Speaker 2: But I like immature guitar playing is where I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: take that, because those are my words, not yours. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I love the guitar playing on it, and something I've
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  Speaker 2: noticed about it that I is we just did this
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  Speaker 2: run of playing it, and I have a pedals I've
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  Speaker 2: had a bigger pedal board and it's been shrinking over
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  Speaker 2: time and have my pedal board down to a very
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  Speaker 2: small couple three little pedals that fit in my guitar case,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't even have a pedal board. They just
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  Speaker 2: go on my guitar case. And then my delay pedal
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  Speaker 2: started doing weird on the one of the nights of
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  Speaker 2: the tour, and I said, I'm just gonna get rid
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  Speaker 2: of that, so I have nothing but a tuner, and
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  Speaker 2: then I took it down further from the distortion pedal
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  Speaker 2: and took that off too, So I just went straight
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  Speaker 2: amp tuner and then turned the volume up on the
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  Speaker 2: amp to get it to gain, and then I just
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  Speaker 2: been rolling the volume back and stuff mostly to achieve
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  Speaker 2: the everything and I did. That's kind of an over
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  Speaker 2: dramatic experiment, but the fact that this we're playing the
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  Speaker 2: question is really dry. There's not much delay, there's not
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  Speaker 2: much any effects on there. It's very clean and it's distorted,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm a lot more expressive, I'm a lot better
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  Speaker 2: guitar player now, but having it be ultra dry is
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  Speaker 2: like this immature sound that I really like. And so
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  Speaker 2: I'm playing live with the driest and least just the
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  Speaker 2: most stripped down thing where you just really hear this
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  Speaker 2: little little things and some of them are like quirky,
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  Speaker 2: like it's quirky guitar playing. So I love it for that.
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  Speaker 2: I love it so I'm really enjoying the guitar playing
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  Speaker 2: when I go back and do it and some of
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  Speaker 2: the stuff, and I think it's just really focused and
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  Speaker 2: not it's not overdone, but there's some really nice arrangements
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  Speaker 2: between the two guitars and it's very tight, it's very intentional,
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  Speaker 2: and it has an immaturity that I think is its virtue.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, well, and maybe immaturity is not like the
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  Speaker 3: right word, but it almost sounds like at least from
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  Speaker 3: a guitar tone. And I mean, I think the fact
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  Speaker 3: that you're saying like, hey, I'm like now when I'm
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  Speaker 3: playing it like I'm at least this last two where
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  Speaker 3: you're playing with like totally stripped down where it probably
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  Speaker 3: feels like you're it probably feels like when you first
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  Speaker 3: started learning guitar, right, like you didn't have a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of guitar pedals when you start, you know, first learning guitar,
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  Speaker 3: that you just got the guitar, You got an AMP
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  Speaker 3: and that's all you're working with and so probably to
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  Speaker 3: some degree, at least from a tone perspective, it almost
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  Speaker 3: maybe feels like when you first picked up a guitar
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  Speaker 3: for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: It's pure in that way, and it's like and of
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  Speaker 2: course now it's like, oh, the tone comes from the fingers.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm doing I'm sliding and I'm bending and I'm
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  Speaker 2: wiggling and I'm preaking with my right hand super hard
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  Speaker 2: and like all the things I can do with my fingers.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, this is fun that I can do.
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  Speaker 2: This album allows me to maximize that the last song
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  Speaker 2: Win Win situation really will issues that had little delay
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  Speaker 2: and some things on there, and so even that's a
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  Speaker 2: real challenge, but I'm enjoying doing it without And but
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  Speaker 2: it's when I first was into guitar. The whole thing
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  Speaker 2: for me is this very powerful all of guitar to
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing everything I do. It's so easy in
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  Speaker 2: retrospect to like storytell about yourself. But you know, Nirvana
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  Speaker 2: got to me in the middle of the woods in
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  Speaker 2: South Carolina in the ninety one. Somehow it just got
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  Speaker 2: there and cut through everything and spoke to me, and
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  Speaker 2: I had then I got an acoustic guitar and I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't make it sound like any of that. And I
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  Speaker 2: had no idea. There's no internet, no nothing, and they
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  Speaker 2: get a court yard and it's like, this doesn't sound
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  Speaker 2: like Nirvana. But I was an acoustic guitar. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know anybody that played guitar except for my dad, knew
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  Speaker 2: I got to play bluegrass, and I just show him
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  Speaker 2: and he say, I don't know what that is, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I assumed the electric guitar was something, but
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  Speaker 2: it was an electric acoustic guitar I had, and so
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  Speaker 2: I thought, I just need a amp, and I got
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  Speaker 2: an amp and I plugged the electric acoustic in the
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  Speaker 2: amp and it didn't do it. It didn't do the
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  Speaker 2: thing at all. And then eventually I found somebody who
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  Speaker 2: had an electric guitar and they had one of those
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  Speaker 2: orange Boss distortion pedals and they and I went in
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  Speaker 2: the room and it was just somebody's bedroom that was
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  Speaker 2: older than me. At my school, and there's literally nobody
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  Speaker 2: in my school had or played guitar. And it was
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  Speaker 2: two people and I found them and they got to
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: their house and they had up thing and when they
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: put on the distortion pedal, it's like that's there there,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that's it. So to me, it's always just clean, just
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and they clean guitar and then you click on distortion
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: and explodes, and that's that's the whole thing. Like that's
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: the whole thing that takes you out of hoody and
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the blowfish culture that I grew up in. Like I
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: promise it was Capo's and burking Stocks and Hooty and
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: the Blowfish and Dave Matthews or whatever. That's all it was.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: And nobody was into any There was nothing else that
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: you could get any access to. And then I found
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: the electric guitar with the distortion pedal and that's all.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's everything else is nothing else really matters
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to me. That's is what it's all about.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Whenever I hear you guys talk about like where you
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: guys come from, it really like you know, you guys
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: got a lot of stories about it, but like truly
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: is almost like a miracle. It's like an act of
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: God that somehow you all it discovered each other, discovered
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: this music and then started making it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: Because I mean literally, like.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: For sure I think it is. I mean it's like
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I could send you a picture, but there's a or
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: maybe you saw it on Instagram. But Devin and I
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: played on the same baseball team when I was in
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the second grade. Me and Devor are on the same
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: baseball team, you know, and like, how's that? How does
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: that happen? And we're here now, like that's how does
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that happen? Toby grew up down the street and he
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: would sing. He was older, and he was singing at
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: my church and my mom. I didn't know who he
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: was or anything, but my mom was saying that his
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: voice is so amazing. This is just my favorite. She
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: she knew, you know, she was like in love with
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Toby's voice, just cause he would come singing my church
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: as a guest with this other person. And my mom
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: was all involved in church choir whatever stuff like that,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and just lived down the road from us, you know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: the next high school over. So it's and and then
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I got the the Nirvana thing, and I started getting
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: my other friend, Seth, who's coming, who was our first drummer.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: He's coming over here. As soon as I'm done with this,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I'm going to lunch with him today. He could play
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the drums somehow. He could play the intro that smells
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: like teen spirit and I got a guitar and he
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: could play that thing and it just blew my mind.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And then he's and then we me and Devin and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Seth and then eventually get to tell It's like we
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: started doing that stuff as soon as I found it,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: as soon as we found it was trying to I
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: don't know, and just we just I just who can
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: get the bass amp? All? We got to buy bass drings?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: How are we gonna get a gig? Are we gonna
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: borrow my dad's trailer to go to a Halloween party?
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: That's the same people I'm doing it with now. I've
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: never done anything different than that in my whole life.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And they were just the people in my neighborhood.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like it's like if you like met
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: a girl in second grade and now you're like married
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: or something. It's just it's truly like one of those
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: sort of situations. It's like, how are some of the
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: people that we got to know so early on still
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: very much in part of our life because it's.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Who you you know? I mean, they're Devin and Toby.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Really I wasn't very like naturally talented, but they were singers,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: so they had some talent or whatever, and I was like,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: why I can And I'm just saying I could use that,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Oh you can do this? Can we I'm just putting
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: everything together. I just have that drive, just like can
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: we make the magical thing happen? It's just been very like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: how could you not be trying to do that? Like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: as soon as you feel that energy, how can you
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: not be trying to make it yourself? And what is
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: it gonna take to make that happen? It's been fun
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: and it's that's all. And so we're friends, we're close.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: It's a relationship based situation for us. Then we go
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to college together. Then we find you know, better and
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: better music and just keep just keep finding stuff. But
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: we've been bad more than we together, more than we've
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: been good together. Really, I mean it's like even like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: what weren't that good when we you know, it's just
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: just stumble, keep stumbling it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: I mean, did you guys even feel like you had
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: any like or like when you.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Look back to the question in particular, right like you
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: by that point you had already released weeks in and
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: that does well, But when you get to the question,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: did you even at that point still feel like like
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: you guys were still like I don't know, still learning
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: a lot, or did you feel like okay, but maybe
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: maybe this is something good, Like maybe there's something here,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: but yeah, like when you look back to the question
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: in terms of like where you are with your songwriting,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: your ability to play guitar or whatever, it is like, yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: how do you like reflect back on that time period?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: So the week's in period was, like I said, four
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: or five years of writing songs, being terrible, having no
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: clue what we were doing, and just improving those songs
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and playing live and moving to Seattle and being a
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: local band and making demos and making demos again and
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: eventually recording the weeks, saving up the money and recording weeks,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: end ourselves and have a few local fans, really slow evolution,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and then it came out and we you know, it
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: was all about just getting signed. Back then, it's like
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: you don't think we have to come great. You just think,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I wonder if we can get like you. In those times,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it's like getting signed. Everybody knows that it's just getting signed.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It's like even if you trick somebody into getting you signed,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: it was like not about you. It didn't we didn't
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: think of us as being good. We just thought can
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: we were trying and if we could. We think we're
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: good on some level. If we could just get signed,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: then they would help us make a good record or
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: get fans or whatever. You don't think. You're not thinking
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of yourself as a total package or anything. You just
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: think there's an outside force that's gonna get you where
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: you want to go. So we weren't taking credit for
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: knowing what we were doing at that time. Really we
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: were obviously just had the drive to keep trying and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: looking for magic from above and found it, and so
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: we didn't you know, then we felt blessed, like, Okay,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: now we're in this position. Oh it sold good. Oh
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: these people are singing our words, so what are we?
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And then as soon as the week's end came out,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: we were on the road every day until the day
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: we had to make the Question, And so we got
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: off the road and went to a rehearsal space and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: had thirty days before we were going to record The Question,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: So we didn't think about anything at all. It was
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: not an overthought sophomore album. It was Okay, we've took
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: five years to write songs before and now we're going
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: in the studio with Aaron Sprinkle with an eighty thousand
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: dollars budget in thirty days and don't have any songs,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: but no problem, like not, it wasn't a panic, It
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't overthought.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: Just wake up.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I mean nobody was married. I mean Toby might have
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: been married, but yeah, I think Toby was married. But
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: you know, we're just that's we didn't have. It was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: just we were just living that touring thing and the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: writing was just not overthought. But we didn't know. We'd
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: only been in the studio one time with one producer
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and it was just a two week, ten days, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: nine day tracking thing. We'd never been in with it,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: so we were still just thinking these it's gonna have.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: All we do is make the demos and then we'll
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: show up and I don't know how the recording's gonna happen.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know anything about that stuff. Really,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: still like I wonder how it'll be this time. And
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Sprinkle was completely different than ed Rose, but obviously he's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: an important figure for us in that record, but we
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: trusted him totally and that's it. So it was just
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: not I don't think we were feeling big ego necessarily,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: we just weren't even quite We weren't even quite there yet.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: You know, we still thought maybe this is nothing. They're
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: all gonna go away, or you don't think you're gonna
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: knock it out of your parkers knock it out of
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: the park necessarily yet that I don't think that's what
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: we were thinking. But after the question, we that's when
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that kicked in. So for sure, after the question comes
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: out and is huge, the first week was huge and
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: we're like, okay, so we can do no wrong, that's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: when that started. That's when I was like, okay, so
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I've been a genius my whole life, and now it
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: is finally I get it now that it happened until
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: after the question came out, And definitely the ego, the
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: think you know what you're doing and ego absolutely came
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: in with the release and response to the question that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, so obviously everything we do is that
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: we're magic. We have it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Did you think it was like looking back at it now,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: do you think it's a Dunning Kruger effect kind of
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: situation where like you thought you knew more than you
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: actually knew.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: The confidence was there in what was it in the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: right I don't think it was in the The confidence
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: was there in I guess probably just the writing and vocals.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Like it's like these songs are good, and the singing
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is good, and this screaming is good. And I put
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: so much energy into, like I said before, arranging the stuff,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: like I love just doing all the details. But that's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: just for fun, Like it's just ooh, what's all the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: neat stuff you can pack into a good song? And
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I think that's important. But it's a privilege to have
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: good singers and the good songs that are showing up
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: there to do that with. And but how we would
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: write the songs was kind of mysterious. But I just
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: always felt that they were catchy. Yeah, they're catchy, Like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I know, we can access catchiness and then we can
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: make that complex and then you can add more vocals
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and scream on it, and I think we're I think
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: that is good. I think that's a good formula. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that was the only confidence was kind of in that
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: it's not a formultive of how to do it, But
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: like that recipe of tons of vocals, tons of harmony,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: tons of screaming, make it complex, but it has to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: start by being catchy. And you're doing it still kind
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of ahead of a little ahead time wise, And we've
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: been camped out there on that territory for five years.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So I thought we were doing a good job with
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the compositions of the songs, and the rest I just
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: thought was all the external stuff about marketing or label
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: or producer recording. We didn't know anything about that for sure.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Well, we all know that, like there's songs that we write,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: there's songs that we listen to that kind of transport
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: us to a different time, a different mood, or different
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: a different state of being even in some cases, right,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: are there songs that when you play them live or
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: when you go to play them live here for the anniversary,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: are you are you curious if they're gonna, you know,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: pop back up those those times in place, those those
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: time stamps. Are they gonna come back and live in
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: your head while you're playing or are you are you
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: just like fully invested in the performance.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I love that question because there's the music has got
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: this quality to it where you can ex experience it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I guess like a painting
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: or something, but you can experience it so many different ways.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Every time you listen to it you can do it different,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and every time you play it you can do it different.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: But some of the ways that it does pop up
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's like, no, I mean, yeah, let me. I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: could probably just list one hundred ways that it can happen,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: but one of them you are describing, which is the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: timestamp thing of Like we'll be playing this some song
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: listening to Freddie Mercury. We played oh a thousand times.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I probably I bet we played it a thousand times,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and I will remember how which snare drum we picked
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it was that six lug snare drum, and how we
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: tuned it and it had the one plat head on
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: it had don't know, but I'll think about that. It
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: comes up for me sometimes and it's like, why am
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I thinking about that in this year doing I mean,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I'm playing guitar, the lyrics are happening, the fans are here,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the songs. It's like, what is the why are these things?
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Why do I remember almost what it smelled like in
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the studio when that when the when Devin said that
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: thing about this part? How is that possible?
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: But it's there.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: It's a good that's a good example. I love that,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: like the smell comes back, the the the random off
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: the off the cuff, things that are said by Devin
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: come up.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: They do.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: I think it's so interesting that music does that because
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: there's not a lot of other things in life that
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: do that. There's certainly places you can go that you
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: know they'll kind of trigger those kind of memories, but
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: it's things that you have to make.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: The one smelling music or the two like they're like, yeah,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: different than other things. They're they're non they're so I mean,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: visual is its own thing for humans, Like I don't know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like that's not my area, you know, I don't know.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: But it's like you can see stuff and it's what
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it's just too complicated. But sound is just straight to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the way you feel, and smell is like so it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: like nonverbal, Like it's so nonverbal, like it's sound you
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: hear talking, but that's language and stuff. But the feeling
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: of music is really closer to smell I think than
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: anything in that. It's just it takes you to a
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: time and a place where it imprinted somehow and it
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: feels it's close to the heart or whatever. It's not
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: close to the mind as much in that way you
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: feel it and you remember how you felt, and it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: just obviously closer to the emotions. I mean, I don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: know exactly what that is, but it's seems important to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: me that the combinations of the texture and the tones
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and the something about I'm obsessed with the structure of
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: like the math of the music, the chords, the harmony,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: but really the texture of it and the fuzziness or
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: whatever it is. It's just doing something that activates you
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: internally in some way that you can't really you can't
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: really forget it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, So that's one of the coolest things. And that's
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: not to speak about how well a song is composed
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: or what it means or there's so many other ways
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: to think about songs or get you know, but there's
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: something about the patterns that underlie it or something underlies it,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and then the textures, the textures and the patterns are
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: so fundamental to it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I even get that with with like like your
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: voice in particular, like I'm like immediately transported back to
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: my dorm room in twenty twelve, when I first started
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: listening to podcasts for the very first time, and then yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: and then I think of like.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It in the that was so so so language is
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: is musical? Yeah, okay, so language and what I'm saying
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: is important to separate is language the meaning that's different, Yes,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: But the sounds we make with our voice are more fundamental,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: way more than the meanings of words. They're this thing
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that birds do. They talk up and they talk down,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And here's the way you emphasize something. And we were
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: doing that as humans long before, long before we had
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: words with fixed meaning to it, long before. And then
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: there's you know, words and the meaning and poetry and
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that stuff, and that's really an important layer. But the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: but the way a person.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Talks, Yeah, the rhythm, that's where it's.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: That's like a band like Cigarross.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know Icelandic at all, but a band like
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Cigareross I can listen to their music and there, even
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: though I don't know what the lyrics mean, they can
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: still really move me.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. We were just in Brazil and
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: playing the question. It was the best trip I've been
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: on so far.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Brazil knows how to do it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It's unreal. And and so we're down there with a
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: band called Fresno, who's a Portuguese band, and they are
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a big band. They're much bigger than we are, just
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: on Spotify everywhere, and they're huge in Brazil. Their Portuguese.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: They speak and sing in Portuguese and they do our
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: style of music. And they even brought us there with
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: this great they hosted us and I reverend to us.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: They found us on MP three dot com in the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: in the in two thousand and one and two, and
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: we influenced their music and then Amberlin two in May
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: went and they and then they've taken it to another
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: level in Brazil and are you know, have more more
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: awareness than we do. Their big they're famous, they're amazing,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and they're doing it in Portuguese and it's like, yes,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: got it, thank you, I feel it. Oh that's better.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: That sounds better than English. It's not. It's so nice
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what they're saying, but trust me,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: we're on the same page.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: You know, I love it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Well, we know you got to get going, so we'll
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: do we'll do your top five bands that you should
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: like on paper.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: But you don't, okay, okay, or maybe not a whole
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: top five, but at least one.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: I know where the story that you should like all right,
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: just for whatever reason you can get into.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, So this this is one of those things you
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: know where you feel like you're it's like a It
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: really comes across as music that I hate because I'm
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: mad that I don't get it. Is well. How it
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: strikes me because there's music that I think fucking sucks
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and nobody should like it, and that's one thing. But
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: then there's music that I say it sucks and I'm
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: all reactive to it. But then people that I respect,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: that I know or understand things are liking and that
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: really bugs me because it just means I don't get
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: it right.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you nailed it, you nail it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like out of like you feel
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: out of the loop or something.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like because I believe in music. I mean
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I know this, like everybody's different things speak to different people.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: But bugs me that I can't get it, but it
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: doesn't work on me. I pay attention, I try, but
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: it does not work on me. And then if I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: hear myself criticized, and I'll act like it's silly or
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: shallow or I know what's wrong with this? Like I want,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can generate all this criticism for it,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: but I must just be projection. But I have to
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: respect other people that like it. But the number one
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: on that list is Ryan Adams. I hate that.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes, that's a good one. That's a really really
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: good one in your in your brain that it doesn't.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. I don't think you can though.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's like this really deep mystery. I really
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: believe it. It's like like the people in Brazil that
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: we resonate with. These guys. Oh, they're like my brothers.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I've known them out there exactly like me. But they're
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: there and there's no way we're not. Just so, so
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: of course the same chord sound, it's deep. It's deep,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: deep deep. The chords that work on me work on
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: certain people. And then there's other stuff that just doesn't.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It doesn't.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Whenever I hear his name, I just like assume like
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: an MLB picture and not a musician. So I think,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: like part of the reason why I'm not into his
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: music is I just like he's got the wrong name
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: for music.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: So if I think about him, it's like I think,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: what a just hipster dufist that's trying to like be cool.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: He's probably a dirt bag and he's just trying to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: be arty for women and just whatever loser like that's
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: what I think, But I know he's by the meat.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: The lyrics mean something as deep. It's like, I don't know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I just have a guy doing stupid stuff, right, so
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: I can't get it. The one I know it's good.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: For sure, for sure, the one we keep hearing recently
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: is sleep.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Token, Right, Yeah, that's understand that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: It's either it's either you're like a huge, huge fan
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: or like, even if you're in that same kind of genre,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: people are like, yeah, I don't know, especially for artists.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: I've really noticed artists are not big fans of Sleeptoken.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll react to sleep Token in my own way,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: but it's I don't hate sleep Tooken. I like them
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: musically because I feel like they're like they speak to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: my nerdishness and stuff. So I don't like them. I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: don't like masks, don't care, don't I don't like the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: fantasy element and all that stuff. I don't like that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: But but if I listen to that music, I just
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: am you know, I lean in to hear what's going
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: on with the musical detail there and the diversity, so
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I can do that for them, But the whole package
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I don't really care about. You know. Sure, sure the
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: other one that's in that, oh, you know, I can't get.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: And this one bothers me a lot too. But I
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: can't get that nineteen seventy five. I can't really get
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Jack Antonoff's vibe either. And when they'll do when they'll
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: do something with Taylor Swift, it's the weirdest thing with
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the Jack Antonoff thing because it's like, Okay, this obviously
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: is serious and he knows something and anything that's just him.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not liking it. But something if he'll do something
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: with a co writer like Taylor Swift and they're getting
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: something out of it that I can like. But if
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I strip it back down to just what is his
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: influences and what is it I think the sounds and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: textures are really coming from him, I'm not I don't
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: like it, and I don't like the nineteen seventy five.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I don't like that. It's just gross sounding to me,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Like the it just doesn't I don't like it. You
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, but I know it's good.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: It sounds like I have issues with music marketed towards women.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I like Taylor Swift, you know, I like Taylor Swift.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it's the sounds that they make. I don't
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: like them. They do not work on me. It doesn't resonate,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: like it passes through me. I go, what is I
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: don't hear anything. They don't hear it. I can't hear
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: what it's even trying to do. I don't even I
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: can't hear it. And it's like, why is everybody like?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: And then I started to get angry, like they're stupid
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: or bad, but it's not. I know that's not true,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: but that's how reactive I am. I get mad because
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. But that nineteen seventy five that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: it's like, it just has a vibe. I don't like
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: they It's plasticky sounding. It sounds like that weird stuff
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: in the eighties. It's just not I don't care. I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: don't like it, you know, I wish I could. I
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: guess what I'm saying. You can't put language to it,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't work on me. And then I guess
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm missing out a little bit. Yeah, fair,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and I'll give you one in our scene too. Okay, Oh,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I went and saw. I went and saw. This one's
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: just really clear to me too, and I can do
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: it with not I mean, I don't mean hate as
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I know all those people are musical geniuses.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I believe that, so I know I'm sitting here with envy.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: But within our scene, I went and saw Saves the Day.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And since his failed to her and and I've seen
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: those bands a million times, Saves the Day is one
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: of the best bands of all time. It's just so
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: unreal and I've never been able to have since his
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: fails music. I can't possibly understand. I can't possibly and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I think people probably confuse.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I told Chris that places in our bank seeps in Saves.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: He's in Saves the Day. I said, you know, when
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you look back on this, people, we're gonna say, oh yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you're in that band, say anything. Since its fail saves today,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it's all gonna be one band to people and it
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Saves the Day and say anything. I could just take
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it in all day, but since it's fail and it's
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the same audience that likes those three bands, and two
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: of them are just so good to me. And since
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: it's fail nothing and I was gonna make stay and
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: watch myself watch since his fail in that same room
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: with Saves the day that night, I said, I'm gonna
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: make myself watch this and try to get it. And
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there, I'm looking at this giant place filled
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: with people that look identical to Emory fans. I'm like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: this is my people, this is our this is my
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: whole group of people. Saves the day that everybody here
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: looks like the people that are at the Emory show
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: when we play in Seattle, and a lot of them are.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm just watching it and it's just music's coming
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: on to me and I'm going, I'm trying to like it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: What is it? And I'm just keep looking around and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I look at the people and they're into it and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: they're digging it. I'm just going, but how what is
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: going on here? It's just like what? Like I look
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: up at the people on stage, I go, who are
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: those people? What is this? I don't know why? But
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I like that mystery and there's no hate on them,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know what that is. So you could say, oh,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: they suck or whatever, but I don't think that's the
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: right response. I'm just saying, what a mystery that is.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's that's fair. You nailed it. You absolutely
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: nailed exactly the assignment there. Oh so we're gonna have
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: senses fail on here.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Very very soon.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But don't tell them I said that we are.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: I'm totally going to tell them.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Well you can, but it's like it won't sound right.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, if they if you listen to my words
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I'm saying here, it's no shade. I appreciate all the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: people that feed the scene. There, you go there, you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Know, yeah, good, awesome. Well what would you like to plug?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously we have the tour that we're doing the question.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: The next leg of that is in July, and it
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: is in the Midwest. It's like in Iowa, and you're
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: gonna have to go to Emorymusic dot Com. I said, Iowa.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. That's the only one that pops
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: in my head. That's at Willie and I don't have
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: them all memorized in front of me. But you go
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: to emorymusic dot Com and you can see those dates there,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and then we're adding a leg in Oh, the September
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: leg is out and that's with the s Citi's Burn
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: and the Classic Crime and Good Terms and that's in
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: like Texas and Louisiana and all that area. So that
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: one's just going to be amazing the Dead again. Yeah again. Yeah,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and then we're doing we'll have one in November, we'll
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: have one in January. So it's going to come everywhere.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But those are the ones that are on sale, you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: right now. Yeah. And then also I have a my
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: daughter just started a gaff tape company because we always
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: are the thing we're Yeah, so that I want to
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: plug that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just different.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: How is it different than your regular gaff tape.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's got it's all patterns. So she
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: does fat like design and stuff. So it's like, you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: it's neon green or whatever. But it's like we had
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: we she does these patterns and we get it printed
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: on Stuff's George's Gaff tape. So george'sgaff dot com is
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the website, and so she just does you know, she
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: always is doing these art and designs and stuff. And
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I'm always trying to make products of stuff and I'm
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: always wanting the younger generation to you know, start businesses
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and do things. So I just put the two and
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: two together for her and just said, you know, you
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: got to like get out there. And I'm always ordering
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: gaff tape. I'll pay whatever it costs. That's twenty dollars,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: three dollars a roll. I order three roles, and you
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: leave it and you forget and you always have to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: keep reordering it. That's true. And it's better than duct
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: tape because everybody knows duct tape is like the best
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: thing on earth, you know, except for that residuve sucks,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And people don't understand that gaff tape is like really better.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: It's that much better than duct tape. But duct tape
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: has all this reputation if you can build anything, save
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: anything with it. But GAF tapes actually better. And I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: think you got to just take it up to a
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: premium level with the design. So still use a lot
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: of Neon colors for visibility and stuff like that, but
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: there's actually you know, some art and pattern in it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: So fun.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: I like that. That's a good idea.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: I love it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I The only thing I was going to say about
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: gaff tape is uh, you know, to me, it's it's
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: never been a purchase of mine. So it's just I
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: don't know if I've ever been in the market.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: But well it's like it was a tour thing, you know.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But you know, duct tape it leaves that glue on everything.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: The GAF tape doesn't.
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: The reason why you can make a boat out of
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: duct tape.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: But you can make it out of GAF tape is better.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: It's really yes, if you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Don't know what I'm talking, that's what I'm saying. I
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: guess people don't know. It's like like, but that's what
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: To do a GAFF tape episode, they only need a
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: duct I know.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Duct tape has the reputation, but it's cheaper, like duct
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: tape is cheap, and it's and it's damaging to things
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: because we gotta we gotta bring GAF tape.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: You gotta bring down big duct tape.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Well, the Red Green Show has something to say about that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: True God, that's a great show. All right, Matt, thank
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: you so much for hanging out again. We're really excited.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to see you in July and then I'm
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: going to see you again in October. For furnace, best
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: hope in the next few months. I'll make sure to
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: give you a big, nice hug.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you guys. As always, I appreciate the opportunity.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.