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Hospice Doctor: What 3 Dying Men Said When I Brought Them Back | Dr. Zach Bush · Non-Toxic Living

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  I was admitting 80 patients a week to die as a hospice doctor.
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  Best case scenario, you succeed in 6% of resuscitation efforts.
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  So somebody's heart stops, you rush in with all the right resources within 30 seconds, you're still going to fail 94% to get that person back.
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  This particular night, I got three successful recoveries in a row.
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  It's like winning the lottery three times.
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  One was an African-American pastor visited by hundreds of people.
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  Another one was this white guy who'd been estranged from his family and dying alone.
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  The third one was an 18-year-old kid, and then they all died within hours of each other.
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  So they go rushing in three times and recover all three of them.
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  No one looked back at their life and said, man, this really sucked.
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  All the guilt and shame we think that we're going to have on our deathbed, that didn't happen in your experience.
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  Not at all, yeah.
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  Kids are crying at the bedsides and realizing that mother loved them all the time.
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  All the years of estrangement and anger and abuse, all of it evaporates in a moment.
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  The guy who was estranged and had not had a single visitor had three visitors show up and sit there and cry with him and laugh with him and tell stories about 20 years back.
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  There's only one singular womb that every man walks around with.
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  I cried.
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  I wept.
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  I had just downloads of...
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  like a forgiveness for my not being present with my children.
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  And the first thing that all three of them say to me is, I can't believe it, but I am.
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  If you're listening to this podcast, this is probably the most important podcast I believe you need to listen to.
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  I really believe that Dr. Zach Bush.
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  Rewatch it.
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  Relisten to it.
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  We're disconnected from nature.
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  Humanity's dying because of it.
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  The planet's waiting for us to catch up and listen.
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  Let's go.
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  Let's go.
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  So this is interesting.
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  We could quote all the beautiful things.
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  The less than beautiful things were polluting the planet with two to four billion tons of glyphosate every year.
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  It's an antibiotic.
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  It's antibiosis.
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  It's anti-life.
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  It's registered as such as an antibiotic.
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  Yeah.
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  It's trashing the planet.
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  There's all these, there's AI data centers taking, again, taking from nature more than we need.
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  Excess, growth, power, more oil, more control.
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  And it's not going anywhere.
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  It's literally leading to a broken system that's failing.
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  And here we are.
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  trying to remember.
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  What a blessed moment.
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  Yeah.
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  What a blessed moment we're in.
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  The extremity of it is amazing.
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  Like everything you just covered there is really, can be looked through a different lens of just almost awe and wonderment of like, wow, we really pushed the envelope of possibility of trying to get ourselves out of nature.
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  And we sure worked hard at it the last couple hundred years.
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  And it's been an interesting experiment that I think is actually critical to the human journey overall.
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  So I think we'll look back with enough distance and realize a space without judgment towards it and a sense of wonderment of the fact that it actually played a critical role in the next iteration of life.
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  Yeah, I think it is very beautiful when we start to get enough age.
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  The phenomenon of intelligence that's taken up so much bandwidth of human awareness right now around this discussion of artificial intelligence...
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  Intelligence is ultimately an embodied state of information.
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  So information without a body remains irrelevant to its system.
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  But information that becomes embodied by a cell or an organism, a human being, becomes relevant.
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  And so it's the patterns within the information that become usable or relevant to the system.
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  And so information becomes intelligence only through relationships.
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  And so it's the relationships of the gut to the human, from the brain to the liver, from the kidney to the immune system.
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  It's these relationships that make information relevant as they become intelligence.
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  And that intelligence is a result of diverse inputs.
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  And so when you mentioned that we're pouring 4 billion pounds of an antibiotic into the system...
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  That can sound like, well, isn't this antibiotics good?
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  Like I go to the doctor, they give me antibiotics.
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  Like what's the big deal?
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  The big deal is the word biosis means it in reference to the relation, the interconnected relationships that make life possible.
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  And so when you're antibiotic, you are against or disrupting the relationships that make life possible.
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  And so it's bizarre that we put it that blatantly in the marketing of antibiotics.
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  Like we could have called them like candy.
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  We could have called them blueberries.
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  Like we could have called them lots of things, but we literally said, well, this is against the relationships that make life possible.
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  Would you like some?
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  It's like, so we blatantly put it right there.
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  And in a lot of ways, I think that's a lot of like, you know, from advertisers to the CIA often know that you should just put the information you most want to hide right in front of people.
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  Because if you make it visible, then it's almost ignored by the nervous system.
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  And so the antibiotic patents on Roundup or glyphosate were a smart tool, in fact.
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  I don't know if it was intentional, but it had the result of making it seemingly acceptable.
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  It can't be a bad thing or else they would have hidden it.
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  If you put it in plain sight, this is an antibiotic.
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  This is against the relationships that make life possible.
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  It just becomes part of our subconscious lexicon, and we don't stop to breathe into it.
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  What does that mean?
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  What does it mean?
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  What does it mean to our biology?
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  I mean, antibiotics have been in a human body.
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  Like, do they do the same thing as in...
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  Yeah.
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  So the interesting thing of an antibiotic is it functions at all the fractals of life, which is, again, life is the result of interconnected relationships.
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  So an antibiotic is a chemical produced by a natural system.
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  So fungi produce penicillin.
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  So that's how it was discovered, a mold toxin, basically.
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  And so you've got a mold producing this compound that...
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  pushes bacteria back so that the mold can be in relationship with complex ecosystems.
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  And so the mold will check its relationship to bacteria through the chemical production of something like penicillin.
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  The bacteria in turn will produce things that will keep the mold in check, yeast in check, parasites in check.
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  So we don't actually see any dis-ease in an ecosystem until there's a loss of relationships.
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  Yeah.
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  And so if you put somebody on antibiotics, then suddenly they can have horrible diarrhea from a bacteria that's always been there, but is the one bacteria that survives the onslaught of the antibiosis.
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  And so now it overgrows the system and now C. difficile, you know, clostridium difficile, which was always present, suddenly overgrows the gut lining and causes severe diarrhea that can kill you.
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  And so the clostridium is not a problem.
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  It's the loss of relationships that becomes the problem.
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  And that's where my field of medicine really lost track of reality when we started blaming the very thing that was surviving the antibiotic.
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  So it's the fault of clostridium difficile to hurt the patient.
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  No, the clostridium difficile was the remaining life on the tail end of all of the antibiotics that were given.
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  Yeah.
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  And so we've done this again and again.
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  And so we look at weeds for farmers and they're like, well, that's the bad thing.
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  No, the weed is actually the life that's surviving the chemical onslaught of a monoculture corn.
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  And it's trying to return diversity so that all of the information can become intelligence and the system can recover.
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  Yeah.
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  And so we so often do this.
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  You and I were talking about CO2 earlier.
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  We blame the CO2 not realizing that the relational reality of CO2 is it's the secret to life.
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  It's not the bad thing of anything.
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  It's not an enemy.
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  And so we do it over and over again when we lose the context of a thing.
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  When it arises at the moment that we see dysfunction, we want to blame that thing.
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  But when we see something taking over an environment, it means that a lot of relationships were lost.
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  And it's the same thing.
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  I always wanted to ask you this question.
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  You bring in an evasive weed, which isn't evasive where it's from, China, New England, wherever, and you bring it in, spotted knapweed, you know,
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  whatever, and it takes over another environment, is that because there's no checks for that weed?
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  Because there's a loss of relationship?
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  It's a new relationship?
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  It's a new relationship.
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  And so like any relationship, it takes some time to find your balance, right?
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  And so it's exciting to go on a first date, but it takes like three or four dates before you start to like let down your barriers and boundaries to like maybe make a connection.
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  And so that's what nature is doing around these phenomenon is when something comes in without relationship, it can't sense its environment.
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  If you don't have enough edges, you can't sense reality and you're going to keep growing until you find an edge.
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  And so your invasive species from Asia that comes over and is wiping out the elm trees in our cities right now.
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  And so the blight of the elm or, you know, these little ladybugs that came over from Asia now are reaping havoc on crops or whatever it is.
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  Like, that's not the ladybug's problem, nor is the ladybug ever, you know, at fault here.
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  And what's happening is the system has not had time to integrate the new relationship yet.
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  And so where we go wrong is saying, ah, that's an invasive species instead of thinking of it as an unintegrated species.
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  So that's where we're starting to get to, though.
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  We're starting to do pest management, understanding like, ah, we need to find out what is an Asia that stays in relationship with that organism so that it doesn't cause a problem in Asia.
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  Then they bring that species over and start to build a relationship within the system.
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  Even if humans didn't learn how to do that, that would inevitably happen.
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  And it's been happening for billions of years.
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  The planet for billions of years has been doing, quote unquote, invasive species.
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  An invasive species is just a gain of function moment that needs to be integrated into an intelligent relational system.
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  And it always happens.
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  And so peace lilies were only supposed to occur in South Africa, but humans love peace lilies and we think they're so beautiful.
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  So we shipped them all over the place.
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  We got one right here.
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  And so this thing shouldn't be in North America, except we think they're beautiful.
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  So we bring them over.
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  And pretty soon that now we have species that weren't here before and...
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  They work fine in a potted plant, but we put that outside and now it has to create new relationships.
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  And so there's this phenomenon that humans and all pollinators are constantly advancing the possibility of new relationships.
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  And there will be periods of time that can be...
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  could be millions of years by nature and couldn't care less.
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  Like if it takes more time to make relationships, they must, they're going to be even more abundant when they finally integrate.
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  So I don't think nature understands the concept of an invasive, bad species.
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  No species is bad to nature.
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  They were all born of nature and they're all of nature.
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  They may for a moment come without relationship, therefore being out of context with the natural system.
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  But the nature of a natural system is it will ultimately integrate everything.
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  And sometimes the final integration, the final option for integration is death.
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  And so sometimes for that species to become healthily integrated, it has to kill a lot of things.
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  Many things will die in the failure of relationship.
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  And in the death, the genomics of both species start to communicate after life has given up.
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  And the transmutation happens after that for initial death cycle.
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  And the rebirth is an integrated species that now knows it's interconnected relationships.
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  But if we see death, we judge that as bad.
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  And now that's an invasive bad species.
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  We've got to kill you.
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  We've got to bring in pesticides now because there's a bad species here.
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  No, there's a species waiting for integration.
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  And the farmer who learns how to do regeneration is a farmer who's learned how to maximize the integration rate of their land.
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  So there is no such thing as a bad thing.
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  and what we see in regenerative farming is so cool a farmer who was struggling with invasive weeds for years to the point where they couldn't even drive their combines through the wheat field because these giant thorny weeds that look like christmas trees are huge six foot tall weeds
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  growing in the Midwest all over the place.
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  And they're glyphosate resistant and atrazine resistant.
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  They're multi-drug resistant because too many chemicals have been poured and biology innovated a weed that could survive it all.
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  It's genius.
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  And yet the farmer thinks this is the worst thing ever is this damn scene.
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  And they literally bend the tines on the combine, which is a two and a half million dollar piece of equipment.
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  So they can't drive the combine through the field until they've eliminated these things.
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  So they're literally out there with machetes.
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  And at the end of the day, the farmer comes in bloodied up and everything else from these thorny giant weeds that they were macheting out of.
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  out of their fields all day so they could drive the combine through.
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  It's miserable when they're about to give up the farm.
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  When somebody comes along and be like, you should pay attention to the soil microbiome.
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  Stop spraying glyphosate for season.
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  Stop plowing and just let the land recover relationship for a moment.
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  Farmer's like, well, I'm going to give up the land anyway, so I'll try next spring.
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  Everything's growing like crazy and there's not a single one of those weeds present because they were allowed to mature through the season without being knocked out.
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  They sequestered the nutrients that the rest of the monocrop had depleted and their role is gone.
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  They completed their cycle because they were left to go through their full cycle.
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  And so the cool thing is there's not an invasive weed on the planet.
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  There's a lack of relationship between.
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  So what do we do with the rhetoric, even in the environmental space where I came from, reduce, recycle, reuse?
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  Let's say we're the invasive species.
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  We're the invasive species on planet Earth, and we need to be eliminated.
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  We need to control our population.
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  How do we turn that narrative?
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  Because that's a big one.
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  And I think people feel that.
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  I don't think anyone wants to feel like...
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  I need to be eliminated.
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  I'm the problem.
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  But that narrative is out there and it's hurting people's hearts.
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  Like, I don't want to hurt the planet.
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  I don't want to hurt animals and my future children.
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  Am I the problem?
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  And it's probably leading people to do really sad things because they feel so disconnected.
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  It's causing us to devalue human life, ultimately.
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  And so we have two generations of children that have been so programmed with this message that humans are the invasive weed.
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  We're the cancer on the planet.
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  We're destroying everything.
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  We're extractive.
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  We're destructive.
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  Our behaviors in recent years have certainly produced all of those results.
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  But the reframing of this, you know, those children are suffering from something called eco-anxiety now.
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  It's a medical condition.
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  Eco-anxiety is the belief that the world is dying and humans are the problem.
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  And so we've got generations of children programmed with us and adults that are now behaving this way.
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  And, you know, bless Greta Thornberg and everything else for the little girl she was when she was told these things.
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  And in her passion screamed at humanity, like, you're the problem, you know.
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  But the fact is, humans are not the problem.
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  And we are behaving and treat ourselves as if we're an invasive weed because of the relationships that we're not, that we're lost ultimately, forgotten.
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  And so our behavior that's leading to this extractive, destructive behavior is the direct result of relationship loss.
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  And it's not intrinsic to human nature.
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  Humans are a keystone species beyond all keystone species.
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  When we step into right relationship, this space of holding more container for more biodiversity per cubic centimeter than any other creature on earth, which is the condition.
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  that we hold there's more biodiversity in the human than any other animal or niche of nature rainforests jungles coral reefs the the intestinal lining of other mammals nothing compares the biodiversity of a human gut
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  and the body that springs out of it.
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  And so we hold more information streams, more diversity of information.
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  Therefore, we can produce more intelligence than any other species because of the diversity of information that's created by the diversity of life.
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  We need to feel that.
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  People need to feel that right now.
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  We need to return to this glory of being human.
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  We are miraculous.
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  miraculous creation, creatures of creation.
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  Nature slowly kept iterating the shape of the gut, the folds within the intestinal lining to create more and more micro ecosystems.
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  So more and more biodiversity of gut, flora, bacteria, fungi, protozoa, parasites, everything was in there and more and more diversity because the shape of the human gut continued to get more and more surface area compared to a cow or a dolphin or any other mammal.
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  And,
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  And so we've got this unbelievable micro ecosystem environment that we call a human body.
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  And the result is teeming life, all connected to a single neurology for the first time.
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  This is planet Earth speaking through a single brain.
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  We have not only the biodiversity in the form of organisms, we hold their genomics within our DNA.
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  We now know that the bacteria and mitochondria are translocating their DNA into the human genome to be held there for safety and record keeping.
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  And so the human genome is the record of the genetic history of the planet.
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  This is a miracle.
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  This is a gift.
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  This is like...
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  You are the storied imagination of nature itself.
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  You're special.
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  You're beautiful.
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  Critical.
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  You're full of love.
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  Critical to life.
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  This is not the story that people feel.
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  I hope the weight is lifting off of people.
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  I mean, the TVs, the Disney shows, they think they're doing good.
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  They're not.
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  by making all the documentaries that came out that were just S-H-I-T on this planet.
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  But yet it's 180 degrees opposite of that.
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  It is the absolute opposite.
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  We are the answer.
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  And one thing you said, I was at one of your lectures and you said that...
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  Our DNA, although the complexity of us, the greatest ecosystem, most complex animals, rainforest, coral reefs, it's beautiful.
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  I tell everyone that.
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  I literally repeat your words.
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  Do you know?
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  I told Lance, the guy filming, do you know you're the most complex, beautiful organism on the planet, better than rainforest?
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  Like, doesn't that, that's amazing.
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  But you say this.
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  We have this complexity, yet our DNA is between like a flea and a fly.
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  Yeah, a flea and a fruit fly.
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  Flea and a fruit fly.
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  Yeah, it's an amazing story.
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  In 1992, there was about six teams around the world that got funding to decode the human genome, which is a vast genetic library.
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  And our DNA sequencers had a very predictable rate that they could decode, you know, 10 genes a day.
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  And so we extrapolated that out to what we thought was 400,000 genes in the human genome because we knew that the human had over 400,000 proteins.
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  And so we calculated that out and said, well, it'll take us 26 years to fully decode the human genome, but what an exciting project.
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  1992, everybody's looking forward to 2018 or something.
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  And suddenly in 1996, just four years later, the first team completes and they're like, we're done.
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  And everyone's like, oh my gosh, like...
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  what technology did you crack?
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  And they're like, there's only 25,000 genes.
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  And it was just laughed at because we already knew that a fruit fly had 13,000 genes.
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  And we already knew that the flea had 30,000 genes.
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  So how is it possible that a human was gonna be halfway between a flea and a fruit fly?
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  Frankly, a little closer to the fruit fly.
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  Like, how?
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  Like, this is impossible.
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  So clearly that team's wrong.
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  They totally screwed up their methodology.
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  And six months later, the second team completed.
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  And it turns out that the first team was wrong.
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  There wasn't 25,000.
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  There was 24,000 genes.
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  They'd overcounted a couple.
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  Today, our genetic sequencing is way better in quality than we had back then.
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  And we now know that we only have 19,000 genes.
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  And so we are like just slightly more complex than a fruit fly genetically, if you're going to consider genes as the information stream.
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  But it turns out that the human genome is only 1.5% human genes.
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  The rest of it we just assumed was just leftover junk from maybe, who knows, our iterative genes.
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  you know, process of going from, you know, worm to human.
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  We just had a lot of genetic waste back there.
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  So we called it junk DNA.
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  That's what they think it's like 98.5% of your genomes is junk.
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  That's what they said.
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  That's what we call it.
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  Trash DNA, junk DNA.
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  You can look up, you know, ream, thousands of, you know, peer reviewed scientific literature referring to junk DNA as a scientific term.
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  And so we junked 98.5% because it wasn't creating a protein, so it must not be a gene, so it must be useless.
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  And so what we found in 1996 was how the hell does a human with 19,000 or 20,000 genes make 400,000 different proteins?
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  Because we were told by Watson and Crick that one gene, one DNA strand that would make a gene can make one RNA that then makes one protein.
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  Somehow one gene was seemingly able to make 10 or 20 different variants.
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  Today we know that that might be as much as 200 different variants.
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  That led to a whole new birth of science called epigenetics.
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  And the discovery was the environment was changing the surface of the gene such that it could become 20 different proteins depending on the environmental input.
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  And so what we discovered through epigenetics is there is no template for who you are right now or what you became in the womb.
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  There was many possibilities of who you would become.
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  Yeah.
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  The genome is just a library or it's a good way of thinking it is a hardware store.
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  And you can walk into a Lowe's and you can go down that bin of all the screws and all the different bolt sizes and nuts.
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  And like the hardware store's got all kinds of, but you only need like two.
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  So you have to go look for the two things that you actually need in the thousands there.
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  That's what the genome is, is like a hardware store of all of the possibilities.
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  And your environment is going to tell you exactly what size screw you need right now for the repair job or the new house you're building.
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  But you never walk out of the hardware with everything.
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  And so what's happening in genetics is you, every moment, every millionth of a second, you're going into the hardware store in every cell and opening up all the drawers to find the one thing that you need right now.
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  And the one thing you need right now is not being told to you by the hardware store.
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  You never walked in and Lowe's was like, you need this.
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  No, the environment of your house and your wife and your to-do list and all that determined what you needed right now.
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  And so it was the relational qualities of your lived experience that was determining what, you know, gene product your cell needs at any given moment.
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  So that's epigenetics.
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  The DNA is not telling you what body to build.
• 24:01
  Your DNA is making everything available that you might need right now available.
• 24:05
  So that was a cool moment of like, oh...
• 24:08
  Okay, so there's not genetic determinism, which was a big step and still hasn't sunk into medical education.
• 24:14
  We still think genes determine the body.
• 24:15
  No, I think it's hard for me for it to sink in.
• 24:17
  I'm thinking like, so what makes us so complex if a flea's doing that?
• 24:23
  Is it because they don't have any microbiology?
• 24:26
  Saying, hey, this is what you need.
• 24:27
  It's because they don't have as many relationships.
• 24:29
  As many relationships.
• 24:30
  So the only reason a human body can have 400,000 is they have less information.
• 24:34
  So they have less relationships.
• 24:35
  So they have less complexity.
• 24:36
  Yeah.
• 24:37
  They have less demands for complexity than a human body has.
• 24:40
  The more relationships you have interconnected, then the more diversity of needs you're going to have.
• 24:47
  Different screws.
• 24:48
  You've experienced this.
• 24:49
  You've got beautiful children.
• 24:51
  And these kids each have a radically different relationship to you.
• 24:55
  I've been in your house a few hours a day.
• 24:57
  These girls, there's really almost no similarity in the way in which each one shows up to you in their own constellation of relationship.
• 25:05
  They don't.
• 25:05
  You have a very different relationship with each of those four.
• 25:08
  If you had not four, but actually somewhere around four quadrillion children...
• 25:14
  in a home, the complexity of your relational needs at any given moment is beyond imagination.
• 25:21
  But that's basically what's happening.
• 25:23
  So you have 14 quadrillion mitochondria that are communicating with 1.5 quadrillion bacteria, communicating with maybe two and a half quadrillion fungal species.
• 25:33
  You've got just this insane amount of relational complexity inside of a human being.
• 25:38
  And so it's demands on all of the things that those 20,000 genes are gonna have to deliver
• 25:44
  require the imagination, you know, and produce the imagination of what becomes as complex as a human body with 400,000 proteins.
• 25:50
  Whereas the flea with more genes than we have, we'll, we'll use a fraction of the, the potential there because it doesn't have as many relationships.
• 26:01
  It hurts your brain.
• 26:03
  It hurts your brain.
• 26:05
  So the, in summary, that just means that you are special.
• 26:09
  Yeah.
• 26:10
  It means that you're...
• 26:12
  The word special is interesting.
• 26:13
  I mean, you are unique.
• 26:14
  I'll give you that.
• 26:16
  You are extremely unique and irreplaceable.
• 26:20
  So maybe that's special.
• 26:21
  But the concept of irreplaceable is interesting because only you...
• 26:26
  8 billion humans, yes, but more importantly, 8 billion humans plus, you know, 18 billion chickens and all the things we raise.
• 26:34
  And if you imagine all of the life on Earth, there is not one organism on Earth that holds the exact relational position that you hold in the constellation of all the interconnected relationships that make life possible.
• 26:46
  And so if you are suddenly eliminated...
• 26:49
  Now the whole system is going to have to adapt because you were holding something that nothing can actually wholly replace.
• 26:55
  The thing that steps into your position is going to have a completely different relationship.
• 27:00
  It's gut biome at least is going to be different than yours.
• 27:03
  So your child might grow up to take over the family business, but that child is inherently radically different than you are because it's interconnected relationships look radically different than yours.
• 27:13
  At the microbiome level, at the social level, at the intellectual level, everything is different.
• 27:17
  And so there will be nothing in the history of the planet or the future of the planet that will replace you.
• 27:24
  You're irreplaceable.
• 27:25
  And this means that nature has to constantly be iterating.
• 27:28
  Nature has never been able to stand still, just repeat a pattern, because their participants are always different.
• 27:37
  So we have two things that come to mind right now.
• 27:39
  We have this disappearing, disappearing, I put it in quotes, microbiome syndrome in humans and humanity.
• 27:46
  And then we also have a lack of community and connection.
• 27:48
  And we know that that's what creates true longevity in the Blue Zone study, which has been all over the place.
• 27:59
  So we're disconnected from nature.
• 28:02
  We're disconnected from community.
• 28:04
  We may have disappearing microbiome syndrome because of glyphosate and other toxins that we could go on for days.
• 28:12
  Where's the hope and beauty in all this?
• 28:13
  This is why I like asking.
• 28:14
  Because people get really sad and there's like, my audience in particular, they're like, it's so toxic.
• 28:20
  Everything's toxic.
• 28:21
  It's over.
• 28:21
  I'm just not going to do anything.
• 28:23
  Which, again, I will...
• 28:25
  look, if you made one change a month, that would be amazing because your body will respond.
• 28:30
  It will show up.
• 28:31
  You'll get more energy.
• 28:32
  You'll feel better.
• 28:32
  You'll think more clearly.
• 28:34
  I try to break that down for them, but I think a lot of people feel overwhelmed when they hear the things that...
• 28:42
  that we're talking about.
• 28:43
  Yeah.
• 28:44
  And I think the reason for that overwhelm is we believe that the things that we've created are outside of nature and against nature.
• 28:50
  So if you look up the definition of nature, it says nature is everything in the firmament of the earth, the minerals, the plants, all of the animals, as opposed to humans or anything humans have made.
• 29:03
  Oxford English Dictionary, definition of nature, not only did we write ourselves out of nature, we put ourselves in opposition to nature.
• 29:10
  And so subconsciously, when you're told, here's a chemical glyphosate that's bad for you, here's mycoplastics that are disrupting your testosterone and things, here's natural flavorings in all of your children's foods that's disrupting their neurochemistry, like the lists go on and on and on.
• 29:25
  Here's 120 chemicals in your daily cosmetics that are causing cancer.
• 29:29
  You know, just like, it is overwhelming if you think these things are outside of nature.
• 29:34
  But if we recontextualize our current chemical toxicity, emotional toxicity, social toxicity, psychospiritual toxicity, social political toxicity, if we recontextualize these inside of nature, oh wait, nothing can be outside of nature.
• 29:54
  Nothing can be outside of God.
• 29:57
  It all has to be included in the system.
• 30:01
  As oppositional as it may appear in its behavior, it's still not outside of relationship.
• 30:06
  Your relationship may be damaging to somebody else, but it's not outside of the relationship.
• 30:13
  In fact, the only reason that's damaging is because you are in relationship.
• 30:18
  If I don't know you and you're an asshole, it doesn't matter to me.
• 30:22
  But if I'm in relationship with you and you act that way now, and it has an effect and I'm going to give you some feedback.
• 30:29
  And so the fact that we're getting feedback from the planet about our behavior and the chemicals we're producing and all of this stuff means that nature hasn't let go of us.
• 30:38
  She's giving us feedback because she hasn't let go of us.
• 30:42
  We are in relationship with nature in every facet of the reality from physics to chemistry to biology to psychospirituality.
• 30:51
  We are interconnected and we cannot get out of the system.
• 30:54
  We are in the system.
• 30:55
  There's no getting out.
• 30:56
  There's no escape.
• 30:57
  Elon Musk can't fly us to Mars.
• 30:58
  I guess we'd be out of the system and in that system.
• 31:02
  As if Mars is different than Earth, it's not.
• 31:04
  You know, it's part of the same solar system.
• 31:06
  The energetics of Mars certainly affects the energetics of planet Earth all the time.
• 31:09
  That's why astrology works is the positions of the planets have an enormous amount of effect on the way in which gravity functions, the way in which water behaves in an ocean or inside my own body.
• 31:19
  So my body is constantly in tidal changes depending on where Mars is, where Saturn is, where the moon is.
• 31:26
  And so I'm a, I'm an aquatic creature.
• 31:29
  contained within skin that makes me look terrestrial, but ultimately I'm, I'm a fish, like I'm mostly water and most of the life within me only knows an aquatic environment.
• 31:39
  It's only my dead skin out here that's contacting a non-aquatic environment.
• 31:44
  So 99.99% of my experience as a human body is actually aquatic.
• 31:50
  all of that water is incredibly sensitive to electromagnetic fields gravitational fields informational fields and so i'm an intent and everything so elon can try to escape this whole human condition as far as he wants and he will never be outside of my nature he will never be outside of my human experience no matter how far he flies and so i he will still be in my felt human experience
• 32:13
  The way that nature feels things is vast.
• 32:17
  This house plant behind you, you water this thing once a week.
• 32:21
  Correct.
• 32:22
  If we put an EEG monitor on that tree and then send you on a trip, once you're at the airport and taking off, we'll notice that the growth factors of the tree decrease.
• 32:33
  We'll notice that the pores in its surface of its leaves decline in function.
• 32:38
  The electromagnetic energetics, the metabolism of the plant declines a bit.
• 32:41
  It just kind of goes into a little bit of a hibernation state.
• 32:45
  the moment that you land in salt lake and you get in a car and you hit that two kilometer perimeter that tree feels you and it perks up opens up its pores because it just felt your field from two kilometers away sitting in a plastic pot in a corner of a house that's completely isolated from nature by every mechanism we can think of glass drywall insulation like we're trying to get ourselves out of nature and the plant just says no i can feel you from two kilometers away
• 33:12
  And that's solid science.
• 33:13
  That's solid science.
• 33:14
  That is solid science.
• 33:15
  That is solid science.
• 33:16
  So nature sees no boundaries, no barriers.
• 33:19
  There's no perimeter of like, oh, now you're outside of nature, Elon.
• 33:23
  No, we cannot escape the nature of human or the nature of the planet.
• 33:29
  It's an infinite system of sensory awareness, connectivity, relational capacity.
• 33:37
  And so when we see humans begin to act in such a way that we are damaging the planet, we can simply step back for a moment and be like, where's the relational loss?
• 33:46
  And it's really obvious.
• 33:47
  Oh my gosh, it's in our oldest stories that we hold today.
• 33:51
  It's in the mythology of our religions and our storytelling of, you know, Darwin and evolution.
• 33:57
  And it's all over science, religion, education, industry.
• 34:02
  we have this story constantly that we are rejected.
• 34:07
  So this is ultimately the deep wound of humankind as we are abandoned by nature.
• 34:12
  And what we know is that when you step away from the relationships within the interconnected biosis of the planet, then toxins become a problem.
• 34:20
  Let's think about, here's a great example, actually.
• 34:23
  So the most toxic thing that a human can experience is radiation toxicity.
• 34:28
  And so you can die from radiation toxicity in about a millionth of a second.
• 34:32
  Nuclear bomb goes off nearby.
• 34:34
  Your whole body will melt.
• 34:35
  All DNA fractures.
• 34:37
  You're dead, like instantaneously.
• 34:39
  in chernobyl one of the largest radiation you know accidents in in our energy history happening in what is it 76 or something like that 1976 or eight and so here we are you know 50 years later chernobyl soils are remain incredibly radioactive toxic and will for another you know a couple hundred thousand years and so we have this toxic radioactive dump you know and it's all through the forest and soil systems and everywhere
• 35:08
  humans almost immediately started getting cancer around this thing.
• 35:11
  So thyroid cancer, liver cancer, retinal cancer, like it was just bad news.
• 35:16
  Like, so humans had to be evacuated out of Chernobyl.
• 35:18
  So no humans live even as I can't remember the radius.
• 35:21
  It's a couple hundred kilometers.
• 35:23
  So this huge blast radius of this nuclear accident.
• 35:27
  Meanwhile, nature interconnected has not blinked.
• 35:31
  The Siberian wolves living in Siberia around the area of Chernobyl never moved out.
• 35:37
  In fact, they moved in.
• 35:38
  Humans moved out and they're like, ah.
• 35:41
  No predator.
• 35:41
  Great.
• 35:42
  They move in.
• 35:43
  The Siberian wolves main food is voles.
• 35:46
  I don't know if you've ever seen a vole, but it's kind of a cross between a field mouse and a, and a mole, the big mole and small field mouse.
• 35:53
  And it comes in kind of in between three to five inches long.
• 35:56
  It's got like the little blind eyes and it's got the little feet to dig.
• 35:59
  And they dig tunnels around my garden in Virginia all the time and disrupt my root systems.
• 36:04
  And they're kind of a pest in the, in the farmer's experience.
• 36:07
  These voles live all over the soil systems of Chernobyl and the wolf loves these voles.
• 36:12
  This is like their primary cuisine.
• 36:14
  So it's their anchor of their diet is voles.
• 36:16
  Those voles are digging in radioactive soil all the time.
• 36:19
  If you take a Geiger counter next to a Chernobyl vole, it's a continuous sound.
• 36:23
  It's not like beep, beep, beep, beep.
• 36:24
  It's just like, you know, this is death.
• 36:29
  The voles are thriving.
• 36:31
  They've never had cancer.
• 36:32
  They've never had any birth defects.
• 36:34
  In fact, they've been tracking the pup sizes, the litters for each vole cycle of reproductivity has increased.
• 36:43
  They're more vital.
• 36:44
  They're more fertile than ever before.
• 36:47
  And the wolf eating these radioactive voles are completely radioactive predators.
• 36:53
  Their pups are improving in health.
• 36:55
  There is no toxin.
• 36:58
  That an interconnected nature can't integrate because an interconnected system of nature is so intelligent that there's no information that feels overwhelming.
• 37:07
  The human in its divorce from nature will get cancer immediately because it has divorced itself through our houses, through our food, through our systems.
• 37:15
  We've divorced ourselves from the interconnected intelligence.
• 37:18
  And so now the new information can't be integrated.
• 37:20
  And so now the natural flavorings and the glyphosate and the microplastics all are detrimental to our health because we don't have the interconnected relationships that make for the intelligence that can integrate new information.
• 37:34
  So when we're in nature, we're breathing in virus and bacteria and fungi.
• 37:39
  We're getting all this information constant new.
• 37:42
  We're evolving.
• 37:42
  We're changing.
• 37:43
  We're reinventing.
• 37:45
  who we are.
• 37:46
  And that gets to some of the other things that you say, if we go spend three days in nature, our immune systems activate and blow up 50% because we start just in three days, we start to have relationship and your body lights on fire, stem cells, fire light, like all this connection and we lost it.
• 38:07
  And now toxins, this is all interesting.
• 38:11
  This is like, aha, light bulb moments, but now toxins,
• 38:15
  We don't have enough information to integrate and learn what these things could teach.
• 38:20
  It's in a closed system.
• 38:22
  Nothing's created nor destroyed inside this Earth ship.
• 38:27
  So we can have relationship with it all.
• 38:29
  It's not coming from the cosmos and poisoning and killing us, but we can integrate it if we have relationship.
• 38:37
  If we have enough diverse relationships, there's no such thing as a toxin.
• 38:41
  There is such a thing as stress.
• 38:42
  It doesn't mean glyphosate's good for nature.
• 38:45
  It means that it's a stress that can be integrated.
• 38:48
  And what we know about nature is she loves stress because every time there's stress, there's a new possibility because the stress forces change adaptation.
• 38:57
  And so every single horrible thing that's happened on the planet, we could call extinctions, has been her secret to unleashing her full potential.
• 39:07
  At the last extinction, 55 million years ago, is what we're told.
• 39:10
  Maybe it was that far back, maybe not.
• 39:11
  But what happened was a sudden loss of life.
• 39:14
  85 to 90 percent of life just disappeared almost overnight, maybe within a few weeks or months.
• 39:19
  But there was a cataclysmic event when soil got covered in dust.
• 39:23
  So a large layer of dust covered our top soils globally.
• 39:26
  Maybe an asteroid hit, maybe it was a volcano went off.
• 39:30
  Maybe there's a nuclear event, who knows, but something happened to bury us in ash.
• 39:34
  And this layer of ash and dust choked out global topsoils and the dinosaurs died.
• 39:39
  At the time, the reptiles, the dinosaurs were the dominant animal on earth.
• 39:43
  There was no birds, there was no, you know, mammals for sure.
• 39:48
  And the flora, the plant life was only ferns and palms.
• 39:53
  You know, there was many different variations in species, but they were ferns and palms.
• 39:58
  This massive death event occurs, this horrible cataclysmic stress on the planet.
• 40:04
  And she comes back with wildflowers, deciduous trees, birds, mammals, humans.
• 40:10
  It only took one extinction event to create enough stress to allow nature to reconfigure herself in radically more complexity, radically more diversity expressed.
• 40:22
  And so it's easy for us to have judgment on stress because we can feel it and we're finite.
• 40:29
  So we can surpass our biologic capacity to integrate stress very easily.
• 40:35
  We do it almost every day in the gym.
• 40:37
  We work out, we work out.
• 40:38
  This is great.
• 40:38
  This is great.
• 40:39
  And then, oh, injury.
• 40:40
  Yeah.
• 40:41
  We surpassed our body's ability to integrate the stress of exercise.
• 40:45
  Exercise within our integrative capacity is great.
• 40:49
  It makes us stronger all the time.
• 40:51
  The hormetic effect.
• 40:52
  If we go past our stress integration capacity, we'll have an injury and then we have to slow down.
• 40:57
  We can't go to the gym for four months.
• 40:59
  We have to integrate the information.
• 41:01
  The body adapts.
• 41:02
  And when we go back to exercising, we're limited in.
• 41:05
  And we don't return to the same level of exercise for a long time until we've adapted the whole system and learned how to exercise without doing that thing that caused the injury, which was pronation of the ankle or some asymmetry of our spine.
• 41:18
  And the physical therapist is like, do this and you won't do that injury again.
• 41:23
  And so now you're integrating the information of the injury that was pointing out that you had an asymmetry, a loss of interconnected relationship and symmetry from it.
• 41:30
  That then led to the injury.
• 41:31
  And so if you give it the time, every injury will be integrated and you will become more wise and more informed.
• 41:38
  And next time you go to push the envelope, you'll have a lot more perspective on how to push the envelope without injury.
• 41:46
  That's what nature is doing all the time.
• 41:48
  And so she's in the gym all the time, stressing all systems.
• 41:51
  And so when I look at the big picture of the planetary story...
• 41:56
  glyphosate may be one of the coolest things that's ever happened on the planet.
• 42:00
  Oh my gosh.
• 42:01
  And we'll look back and the two industries that did the most for the next explosion of life and the beauty that's going to come here on this planet will be the oil companies and the chemical companies.
• 42:11
  They will have stressed this planet in ways that it could have never been stressed without humans.
• 42:16
  And for that, we will have more life, more biodiversity, more intelligence, and way more beauty.
• 42:22
  It's hard to wrap your head around, but it feels right.
• 42:25
  It's hard to wrap your head around until you live it yourself.
• 42:29
  And so that's where the gym is a good example or illness is a good example.
• 42:34
  We've judged illnesses.
• 42:35
  Well, you're sick.
• 42:36
  No, I'm adapting.
• 42:39
  I reached a limit of my genetic integration and I suddenly had an experience with a new genetic information, which we call viruses, which...
• 42:48
  actually has never been proven scientifically.
• 42:50
  No lab in the world has ever purified and isolated a single virus that can cause illness.
• 42:56
  We say HIV causes AIDS.
• 42:58
  No.
• 42:59
  HIV is a genetic occurrence that occurs within the context of a syndrome that we call AIDS or HIV.
• 43:09
  But we've never purified the HIV virus and then be able to give that to an animal and cause AIDS.
• 43:14
  It's never worked.
• 43:15
  We try it.
• 43:16
  We've spent billions of dollars trying to do this.
• 43:18
  It doesn't work because... How does it get passed on then?
• 43:21
  Like from human to human or it doesn't?
• 43:24
  It's the environmental exposure is the commonality.
• 43:27
  So it's not being passed from one human to another.
• 43:29
  It's being environmentally expressed.
• 43:32
  Humans can be part of that environment expressing those genes.
• 43:35
  So we can contribute to the genetic expression.
• 43:38
  But the concept that the virus came and got me and I got a cold and then I passed the cold to the other person in the house is completely erroneous because, in fact, we were all breathing the same air long before I got it.
• 43:51
  the symptoms of a cold.
• 43:53
  You didn't get it because I hadn't worn you out by my bitching and moaning for three nights about how congested I am.
• 43:58
  You started losing sleep because I was losing sleep and I was complaining about this thing and now you're worried that you're going to get sick and you went into this mindset of opposition against me and now you're sick.
• 44:10
  But it wasn't me passing something to you that didn't already exist in the environment.
• 44:14
  Does that make sense?
• 44:14
  Yeah.
• 44:15
  It's already here.
• 44:15
  There's this environmental expression of new genes all the time.
• 44:19
  That's what life does.
• 44:21
  We express genes outside of the body in something called exosomes.
• 44:25
  If it causes illness, then we refer to it as a virus.
• 44:27
  But that's just branding.
• 44:29
  It's not actually biology.
• 44:31
  A virus is no different than an exosome.
• 44:32
  The exosome is just new genetic sequences, new genetic information being put out in the environment.
• 44:37
  And every cell, every bacteria in the soil, every bacteria in the ocean, every bacteria in the air, every bacteria in me, every human cell, every mitochondria inside my human cells are exuding exosomes every millionth of a second all day long, all of the time.
• 44:53
  And so we are in an ocean of exosomes.
• 44:57
  And I breathe them in and I sweat them out.
• 44:59
  And right now I'm spewing all kinds of new genetic information all over you for the next hour and a half.
• 45:05
  And you're just, and the amazing thing is you are gonna be a different being for walking out of here because I spewed so much genetic information over you for all the words I was talking.
• 45:14
  All of that breath took, and you're integrating that information.
• 45:17
  You're gonna walk out of it.
• 45:18
  You're not gonna get sick because I was here.
• 45:21
  but you are going to change because I was here because I was just down in Panama.
• 45:25
  Then I was in Austin and I was in Utah.
• 45:27
  Then I was in New Mexico.
• 45:28
  And now I'm here.
• 45:29
  So I'm carrying an enormous amount of information that wasn't in this household three hours ago.
• 45:34
  And now I'm giving you all of this information, but your body's interconnected.
• 45:38
  We were just out hiking in nature together.
• 45:40
  We're out there and you have such a huge capacity to take in new information.
• 45:44
  So there's no worry about inviting Zach over for dinner because you're like, why would I worry?
• 45:49
  Like I'm,
• 45:50
  He's part of my nature.
• 45:51
  I'm his nature.
• 45:52
  Like, what could he possibly?
• 45:53
  That's how we need to start to look at this situation.
• 45:55
  Yeah.
• 45:56
  And we don't.
• 45:57
  If I'm sick, that means I exceeded my capacity to take in new information.
• 46:03
  That means I wasn't sleeping.
• 46:04
  So I stressed my system.
• 46:06
  That means I was eating food that was undermining my biosis because of all the antibiotic residues in there.
• 46:12
  So I was doing something to decrease my capacity for integration of information.
• 46:16
  That finally ended me up in a situation where my body was like,
• 46:19
  You got to take a break, dude.
• 46:21
  You got to reintegrate.
• 46:22
  And so you're going to have to lay in bed and not do anything until you can integrate the information that's already here.
• 46:28
  And so you lay in bed for four days.
• 46:30
  The fever goes away in two days.
• 46:32
  You're weak and fatigued for about two weeks.
• 46:35
  And what's happening is 70 trillion human cells are reintegrating the new information and reformatting quadrillions of relationships.
• 46:45
  Because there's a new relationship in the mix.
• 46:48
  And you're slowly reconstituting the whole system in the context of this new relationship.
• 46:55
  There's a syndrome that mimics everything I just said.
• 46:57
  This new thing comes in, you can't even get out of bed, you're so exhausted, your brain fogged for months.
• 47:04
  That thing is actually called a newborn baby.
• 47:07
  When a baby is born, everybody has to stop.
• 47:12
  It's like the biggest dysfunctional thing that's ever happened to any human being is to have a baby.
• 47:17
  because this is reintegrate this is forcing a reconstellation of every system here including the microbiome of the mother the baby's constantly creating new information to the breast and the breast milk and the skin floor like the amount of informational confusion that happens those first few months of a baby entering the scene is not just social it's biological awareness and newness
• 47:41
  And psycho-spiritual awareness, because you now have a human being that's not contaminated with the belief that it's separate from God and separate from nature and rejected by everything.
• 47:50
  That thing only knows it's connected to everything and is so excited to be in a finite expression of infinite body.
• 47:57
  And so it's challenging every relationship that is coming into context, and we're exhausted for it.
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  And we don't sleep well.
• 48:03
  And we blame it on the baby crying.
• 48:05
  But in fact, it's the body just being like, I got to just...
• 48:08
  freeze here.
• 48:09
  I can't work.
• 48:10
  I can't answer emails.
• 48:11
  I don't care about anything but survival.
• 48:13
  It's not survival.
• 48:14
  It's new relationships integrating.
• 48:17
  And then suddenly a few months later, everybody's thriving and so excited the baby's here and the baby's starting to express itself.
• 48:23
  And the baby's no longer a stressor on the household because it got integrated into the social, emotional, biological system.
• 48:29
  And then there's Aspen.
• 48:31
  You've met her.
• 48:32
  Fireball.
• 48:32
  Fireball.
• 48:33
  The one that I did take three years off of traveling, you know, months off because I wanted to.
• 48:39
  I'm like, not on this one.
• 48:42
  I gained wisdom through the first two of those teachers.
• 48:44
  I'm like, I'm not doing that again.
• 48:46
  And I've wept and cried over everything.
• 48:49
  those lost times with like, especially Tula, I was so disembodied working, just trying to provide, chasing, right?
• 48:58
  Missed it.
• 48:58
  And it was beautiful.
• 49:00
  And she was like my first teacher.
• 49:02
  So on this one, then Araya a little bit better, still felt it.
• 49:07
  And it's funny in those moments, like when I talk to God and get that, it's like, it's okay.
• 49:12
  You know, you did miss out on that, you know, but I love you.
• 49:17
  You're still awesome.
• 49:18
  You're still part of this beautiful universe.
• 49:19
  Don't beat yourself up.
• 49:21
  Just do better.
• 49:21
  Do better next time.
• 49:23
  And then I integrated a lot of those learnings with Aspen and she's the feral child.
• 49:27
  She's the one that I allowed to disrupt my routines and to reintegrate.
• 49:32
  And it's been one of my greatest teachers.
• 49:34
  And she goes outside.
• 49:36
  She forges.
• 49:37
  She eats.
• 49:38
  She does all the things.
• 49:40
  She wants her shoes off all the time.
• 49:41
  Shoes off all the time.
• 49:42
  Yeah, she's just completely, and that's because of my lived experience.
• 49:47
  You know, it just didn't feel right in those moments when, as you would say, another one of my favorite Zach Bush quotes, get your antenna wide, get your antenna wide.
• 49:58
  I'd like to go in some of those places.
• 50:00
  First of all, before I go there.
• 50:02
  This is interesting.
• 50:03
  I've never shared this before, but my one cat Suki, when we leave, she goes away and doesn't come back.
• 50:11
  Soon as we come home, she's back within a day.
• 50:15
  Is she like the plant?
• 50:16
  Like she can feel especially Arela because they're so close.
• 50:19
  Is she able to sense, you know, our energy?
• 50:22
  But she's gone.
• 50:23
  Soon as we leave and go on a trip, she's gone for the whole trip.
• 50:26
  She's not here because we have people feeding their outside feral cats, just like my feral child Aspen.
• 50:31
  who's outside constantly.
• 50:33
  And then she, she recognizes when we're home and she comes back.
• 50:36
  So science study was done on that.
• 50:38
  And it's cool.
• 50:40
  And so you're right.
• 50:42
  So they did it on dogs, not cats.
• 50:45
  And the dogs are more socially observable because they're left inside more than the cat would not.
• 50:52
  So what they did was they put cameras throughout the house to observe dogs behavior when their owners leave.
• 51:00
  the science team would come and feed the animals twice a day and kind of do the thing, but nobody was really in the house.
• 51:05
  And so everybody was curious, like, does the dog just sit there at the door?
• 51:09
  What happens is that as, so the way the study was designed was brilliant.
• 51:13
  So they basically, if you were enrolled in the study, it meant your dog had to be, again, be like one or two or three years old.
• 51:19
  Like there had to be a bonding period or something.
• 51:22
  And so you've got a bonded dog to the pet owner.
• 51:24
  You had to be the one that fed the dog too, was the other piece of it.
• 51:27
  So you feed the dog, you're bonded to the dog.
• 51:29
  It's a couple of years old.
• 51:31
  And then you're told you need to pack a bag that you can travel with for two weeks.
• 51:35
  We're not going to tell you where you're going and we're not going to tell you how long you're going to be gone.
• 51:38
  You might be gone six hours.
• 51:39
  You might be gone the full two weeks.
• 51:40
  Be ready.
• 51:41
  And we're not going to tell you when we're going to show up.
• 51:43
  And so it's going to be somewhere in this month and we're going to show up and you're going to have to leave immediately.
• 51:49
  And so they show up and they don't tell you how long you're going to be gone.
• 51:52
  And they're just like, grab your bag.
• 51:54
  We're out.
• 51:56
  And the dog, every time, would run to the door and stay there at the door watching them right away.
• 52:01
  And as soon as they're some few hundred meters away, the dog's like, I'm good.
• 52:06
  Walks around, goes, curls up, goes drink some water.
• 52:09
  And will wander around for days in the house without any apparent grieving of the, there's no missing the person.
• 52:15
  The dog's doing dog, doing great.
• 52:20
  Present.
• 52:22
  They thought that they were going to see the same phenomenon the plant had showed them.
• 52:26
  It was like two kilometer distance.
• 52:27
  It's a different science group, but the plant one had to come out first.
• 52:32
  And so they thought, well, when we bring that person close enough, the dog will feel them.
• 52:35
  It turned out that it was not a distance thing.
• 52:40
  The relationship between the animal and the human is not geographic.
• 52:45
  It is telepathic.
• 52:47
  And so what happened was the moment that the individual, which could have been three hours later, it could have been a week later.
• 52:54
  But at some point in the journey, the individual is suddenly told, all right, we're going home now.
• 52:59
  And it might take you three days to get home or it might take you three hours to get home.
• 53:03
  But the moment the person was told that they're going home, the dog would run to the door.
• 53:08
  They hadn't changed position, but they were suddenly aware that they were returning.
• 53:12
  And the dog felt that and ran to the door in anticipation.
• 53:17
  And after some period of time, the dog would start milling around, and then the dog would feel the person close enough and be waiting at the door.
• 53:22
  And in the person's experience, like, this dog's been waiting and so sad that I'm gone and everything else.
• 53:27
  But no, it was completely aware that you were fine, you were on a journey, and it didn't anticipate your return until you were told you're coming back.
• 53:35
  And so there's this beautiful telepathic communication with your cat and your kids or to you who knows.
• 53:41
  To Arela.
• 53:41
  To Arela probably.
• 53:43
  And so the cat, the moment Arela is told like, all right, we're going to get on a flight in the morning and go home.
• 53:49
  Arela starts to sense that or the cat starts to sense that.
• 53:53
  And we'll start to read your geometry itself back to the house in an appropriate timing.
• 53:57
  Yeah.
• 53:58
  And it's likely that the cat different than the dog will not be at the door.
• 54:02
  The cat in its behavior, so cats are not herd animals, dogs or pack animals.
• 54:08
  So not being a pack animal or herd animal, the cat has a different relationship to the, a different relational behavior to the constellation that it's connected to.
• 54:17
  The cat is going to integrate the information of what Aurela is now carrying much different than the dog does.
• 54:22
  The dog will be licking you and sniffing your butt and everything else and immediately taking information.
• 54:28
  Where the cat is energetically sensing you instead of sensory touching and smelling and all this.
• 54:35
  So the cat is kind of like the Reiki master of relationships.
• 54:38
  So it's sensing and sensing.
• 54:39
  So it might take a day for it to integrate all the information that Aurela is now carrying from her journeys into.
• 54:46
  Before the cat feels safe enough to do it.
• 54:49
  So she'll wait till...
• 54:50
  The cat will wait until it's integrated the information so that the reconnection isn't stressful for anybody.
• 54:55
  It does take about a day, which is beautiful.
• 54:59
  It's biological elegance.
• 55:01
  It's biological elegance.
• 55:02
  When you...
• 55:04
  Start to feel and experience how beautiful it is to be reconnected to nature and start to put to words the things I think everybody already feels and knows.
• 55:17
  Because I think that's the disconnection.
• 55:18
  I think people know it and feel it.
• 55:22
  But they don't, there's like a barrier there to like believe that they know that dog's special.
• 55:28
  They know that they're telepathic with their friend.
• 55:31
  I don't know how many times this happened to me, right?
• 55:33
  It's like, call him.
• 55:35
  He's going to commit suicide.
• 55:36
  You didn't call.
• 55:38
  Or you're in a space with someone.
• 55:41
  You tried to commit suicide.
• 55:42
  These are both two stories.
• 55:44
  How did you know I never told anyone?
• 55:46
  You feel it.
• 55:47
  You literally feel this stuff each and every day, and especially women.
• 55:54
  And we ignore it.
• 55:55
  And sometimes because of the systems and structures that we're under, the TV, the
• 56:02
  the junk news, the media, we stop believing in that beautiful intelligence that's so massive and so much fun.
• 56:13
  Like I told you, like I just abandoned everything and I'm like antenna wide, I'm just going antenna wide, I'm connecting to God in the universe and I'm not going to do anything else but that.
• 56:23
  And come in and out, you still have the hard edges, you still have
• 56:25
  the regular sides of life.
• 56:27
  But when you start experiencing that miracles and those connections and the phone calls and literally even the other day I had a friend and I'm like, he needs a new fulfillment company.
• 56:37
  I'm going to give him a call.
• 56:38
  I call him.
• 56:39
  He's like, son of a, we're just looking for a new fulfillment company.
• 56:43
  And so, I mean, it's like telepathic and you start playing with this stuff and,
• 56:48
  And it's like, wow, like we're not alone.
• 56:51
  We are connected.
• 56:52
  We're interconnected.
• 56:54
  Like a dog sniffing our butt, it's integrating all that information.
• 56:58
  I mean, think about, let's talk about that.
• 57:01
  Why do dogs have all these senses and smells and they have such a sensitivity?
• 57:06
  Of course, they're going to be integrating information.
• 57:08
  So they're smelling all these exosomes.
• 57:12
  Yeah.
• 57:13
  And they start to look like their owners.
• 57:14
  And if a plant can feel two kilometers away and a dog can feel you anywhere in the world, in fact, not just feel you, know what you're thinking.
• 57:23
  I'm returning home.
• 57:24
  It can feel your thought, feel your plan, your intention.
• 57:29
  So if a dog can do that, how much more sensitive is a human?
• 57:34
  A human and right relationship is a fully interconnected relationship.
• 57:40
  full information stream capable organism more than any other creature on the planet.
• 57:45
  We are the most interconnected relational system.
• 57:50
  And so for that,
• 57:51
  Our telepathic, our energetic capacity to feel everything is logarithms beyond any plant or other animals.
• 57:59
  And so we've got this incredible opportunity to open the antenna like you were just saying.
• 58:03
  So this opening of the antenna is literally just a getting out of your mental framework so that you can, like the dog, start to feel everything.
• 58:14
  And so the dog is hypersensitive to scent, but it's not just hypersensitive to scent.
• 58:19
  It's feeling the energy field.
• 58:21
  It's hearing great distances.
• 58:23
  So it's getting so much information because it hasn't narrowed its aperture.
• 58:27
  It hasn't closed down its system of sensing.
• 58:32
  Humans have uniquely over the last few thousand years been systematically shutting down the aperture by which we're sensing our reality.
• 58:40
  And now we're so numbed out
• 58:42
  That we're looking around and being like, oh my God, there's no solutions.
• 58:46
  When nature must just be like, that's all there is.
• 58:50
  There's only solutions.
• 58:52
  There's nothing outside of solutions.
• 58:54
  It's all, there's nothing outside.
• 58:56
  It's all life.
• 58:57
  It's all more life.
• 58:58
  It's all more intelligence.
• 58:59
  It's all more.
• 58:59
  What do you mean there's no solutions?
• 59:01
  What do you mean things are desperate?
• 59:04
  Things are just temporarily stressed.
• 59:06
  And they're stressed beyond your current relational capacity to integrate it.
• 59:11
  But that doesn't mean that this is a bad situation for Mother Earth or nature itself.
• 59:16
  And so this is time for us to like just set down the judgment.
• 59:20
  You said something interesting that I've never, you know, once I heard it, I had to sit with it for a minute and integrate it for a minute.
• 59:26
  You mentioned like, we're all telepathic, well, and especially women.
• 59:30
  And so two things hit me at once.
• 59:32
  Like, you're right.
• 59:33
  Women are more tuned to their intuition than men tend to be.
• 59:36
  They trust it at least more.
• 59:38
  Men might be feeling it just as much, but we don't trust it.
• 59:41
  But then the second thing that was running in parallel to that awareness is like, wait a second, like autistic children are eight to one male.
• 59:48
  And so and they're the ones that are fully telepathic.
• 59:51
  And so that's the I don't know if everybody's caught the telepathy tapes yet, but the telepathy tapes is an incredible podcast that reveals that a very large segment of our autism population globally is.
• 1:00:04
  is not sheltered down or not shielded down from these capacities to feel everything.
• 1:00:11
  Therefore, they're expressing the suffering of humanity.
• 1:00:14
  They can't shut down the feeling.
• 1:00:16
  And so when a child is hitting their head against the wall for eight hours a day and smearing their feces and blood all over the room to the horror of everybody, doctors, patients, parents, most of all,
• 1:00:28
  we want to think that that child is the one that's suffering.
• 1:00:31
  But in fact, it's just a neurology that can't filter out the suffering that it's sensing around it.
• 1:00:37
  So a child will not improve its autistic behavior until the people around it start to integrate their own information.
• 1:00:46
  So autism showed up at a moment where we became so shielded down, so aperture closed, unable to feel or trust any of our feelings that did pop through.
• 1:00:57
  that we needed a new neurology that could not be shielded, could not be dumbed down.
• 1:01:03
  An autistic person we call sensory deficit disorder, but really what's happening is it's the sensory processing that's the problem.
• 1:01:11
  It can't filter the information in the same way that most of us have been trained to filter it.
• 1:01:17
  It can't ignore cognitive dissonance of a human species acting against its own nature, destroying itself with its own emotional
• 1:01:25
  you know malevolence to itself around its negative self-thought and its insecurities and all the bad things the child is feeling that and its parents and aunts and uncles and grandparents and community and the school and everything else so these kids are just feeling it all and their burden immediately decreases when everybody around it agrees to feel everything
• 1:01:49
  So that ended up being my intervention in clinic that we accidentally found was we don't need to treat the child.
• 1:01:55
  We need to start removing the emotional dissonance in the parents and all the caretakers and the grandparents and aunts and uncles, whoever's in the child's field, we need to help them.
• 1:02:05
  let go of the emotional numbing and start to feel everything again and allow the feelings to happen without judgment and just let it process, let it metabolize through.
• 1:02:13
  And then suddenly the child was not smearing feces and was not hitting his head against the wall, and he was calming down.
• 1:02:20
  And so that's what the neurologic system of an autism spectrum is, a neurologic system that cannot be filtered.
• 1:02:28
  It has to feel everything.
• 1:02:30
  Therefore, it requires an enormous amount of integration.
• 1:02:33
  And they might spend a lot of their time for a lot of years outside of their capacity to integrate all of the suffering around them.
• 1:02:39
  They're just one human being.
• 1:02:41
  And they're sensing the suffering of maybe thousands or tens of thousands of humans in their community because they can feel that far.
• 1:02:47
  Their energy fields can feel the whole planet probably.
• 1:02:51
  And it's these children that are fully telepathic.
• 1:02:54
  And telepathy tapes, it takes you through these adult autism communities that are now able to start to speak through, they're largely nonverbal, but they've been learning how to communicate through these alphabet tablets that are different than a keyboard.
• 1:03:09
  But these speak tablets are allowing them to communicate really clearly.
• 1:03:12
  And what they started to tell their community and their parents was, I'm meeting with all of the other autistic people every day in this alternate dimension that we refer to as the hill.
• 1:03:26
  And we gather there and we talk to each other about like what's going on, what we're sensing, what's difficult for us, what potential does humanity have right now.
• 1:03:35
  It like sounds far out until you start finding out that kids all over the world are talking about the hill and what they're experiencing and that they're in this deep community of nonverbal people that are not geographically located together.
• 1:03:47
  And so they're in a telepathic interconnected space.
• 1:03:50
  That's also in some sort of space time similarity where they all refer to the place as the same.
• 1:03:56
  It's called the hill.
• 1:03:57
  So they're all going to this other place.
• 1:03:59
  These are autistic children that cannot speak, cannot be programmed with our current emotional belief systems and mythology and everything else.
• 1:04:06
  So there's something really interesting as we think about this podcast, non-toxic dads or whatever.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah.
• 1:04:16
  All of us as dads are exhausted.
• 1:04:19
  And we have been emotionally programmed just like women have.
• 1:04:22
  But we have two extra emotions that we're really loaded down with, and that's guilt and shame.
• 1:04:26
  A lot of it.
• 1:04:28
  And so this long history of the wounded masculine that is in the zeitgeist of our spiritualism and our philosophy and our medical world, this wounded masculine is kind of prevalent because our behavior is...
• 1:04:39
  apparently the most malignant.
• 1:04:41
  We kill each other, we kill plants, we don't care about the damage to the ecosystem, we just need more oil, like whatever it is.
• 1:04:48
  Like we seem to have this belligerence that women don't seem to express in the same way.
• 1:04:55
  And I believe that's because we have these two extra shields or that we've had to put up because we're being buried in two extra emotions of guilt and shame.
• 1:05:04
  And so we can't feel the intuition in the same way that women can, not because we don't have intuition.
• 1:05:09
  It's because we're so afraid to feel guilt and shame for missing our children because we traveled too hard to try to be businessmen or whatever it was.
• 1:05:20
  When we start to let down these shields, we're just as intuitive of any other autistic boy or mother of a child.
• 1:05:30
  We have all of that.
• 1:05:32
  Every biology is the plant has it, for God's sakes.
• 1:05:35
  And so there's nothing we're lacking in intuition or the intelligence that would come through that intuition.
• 1:05:42
  or even the capacity to trust that thing.
• 1:05:45
  But we won't feel it and we won't experience it and we won't learn to trust it until we put these shields down.
• 1:05:50
  And it's much easier to put the shields down when we recontextualize everything of like, oh, we are not rejected.
• 1:05:57
  We are not kicked out of the garden.
• 1:05:59
  We are not the providers for our family.
• 1:06:03
  The divine is the provider for every being that would ever be created.
• 1:06:06
  Look at the birds.
• 1:06:06
  Look at the trees.
• 1:06:07
  Nobody's taking care of anybody else.
• 1:06:09
  No.
• 1:06:09
  Everybody's in right relationship to everything.
• 1:06:12
  And for that, there's more life.
• 1:06:14
  Life is an interrelational expression that creates intelligence that ages into wisdom.
• 1:06:20
  And so this is the excitement that I have is maybe as men, we can remember to start to gather together.
• 1:06:26
  We can start to do rites of passage.
• 1:06:28
  We can start to go into silence in nature together like the hunt used to bring us to or the gathering used to bring us to.
• 1:06:36
  We're going to have to remember how to get together.
• 1:06:38
  And we're going to have to remember how to be in fellowship, mostly in silence.
• 1:06:43
  The hunt is always in silence.
• 1:06:46
  We're not talking about our sports.
• 1:06:47
  We're not talking about like our business or how much private equity we just raised.
• 1:06:53
  We just did this hike together today.
• 1:06:55
  Like that's what we need to do.
• 1:06:56
  We can get out in nature together and be really not just patient with silence.
• 1:07:01
  We want to be eager for silence together.
• 1:07:05
  And so maybe that's just sitting around a campfire for three nights in a row.
• 1:07:08
  The science is pretty amazing of what happens to your biology if you'll just do that.
• 1:07:12
  Don't go inside for three days.
• 1:07:14
  Sleep outdoors for three nights.
• 1:07:17
  The whole immune system resets as if you're 30 years younger.
• 1:07:19
  It's just a spectacular regenerative event for the immune system and your cardiovascular system and neurologic.
• 1:07:26
  Everything's coming back online because of the relationships that can form in three days outside.
• 1:07:32
  microbiome and air and all that.
• 1:07:34
  But three days of being around a campfire with other humans, judgment comes down, curiosity kicks in, stories start being told.
• 1:07:42
  We suddenly realize that everybody else has experienced the same loneliness we're experiencing and the same brokenness.
• 1:07:48
  We're not only not alone, we're all having the same experience.
• 1:07:53
  And so just as all the autistic children are gathering on the hill, it's time for all of us to gather around the campfire and just like have a human moment together.
• 1:08:01
  And the intelligence of the system will self-correct.
• 1:08:05
  In my lived experience, as you say that, I started going on this annual fly fishing trip with my buddy Adam, who I'd love for you to meet someday.
• 1:08:14
  And my family's like, after the first trip, it was so transformative.
• 1:08:19
  They're now telling me to go fishing.
• 1:08:21
  And they didn't know like the science behind it or what we were discussing.
• 1:08:25
  They just knew that dad came back better when he was gone for three days.
• 1:08:30
  And so it became an annual thing.
• 1:08:31
  I think it's our fourth year was this year.
• 1:08:34
  And I've learned so much on those trips to the point where one trip I was having full-blown anxiety like I had when I was sick.
• 1:08:42
  And I'm like, where's this coming from?
• 1:08:43
  I'm going on a trip.
• 1:08:45
  And my buddy Adam said, you know, we kind of knew, like, I never really, I did some breath work, a little bit of box breathing.
• 1:08:52
  He's like, he didn't, he said, maybe we'll do some breath work.
• 1:08:55
  And I was sitting with all this anxiety.
• 1:08:57
  I'm like, I want to do breath work like right now.
• 1:08:59
  I'm like, okay.
• 1:09:00
  And I was going to film it on non-toxic that he's like, get your effing phone out of here.
• 1:09:04
  He's like, this is sacred.
• 1:09:06
  He didn't say that, but there was this authority, right?
• 1:09:09
  Lays the mats down next to the stream, puts on this, you know, they call it cyclic sighing for Harvard, but it's called pranayama, you know.
• 1:09:19
  And which is obviously, I mean, according to Harvard, so it's real now because now they figured it out.
• 1:09:26
  They took the ancient code.
• 1:09:27
  Yeah.
• 1:09:27
  And it's the best for regulating your nervous system.
• 1:09:30
  So we did this breath work and literally...
• 1:09:34
  my whole body lit on fire.
• 1:09:36
  I felt so much energy coursing through my body.
• 1:09:39
  I cried, I wept.
• 1:09:40
  I was, I had just downloads of like a forgiveness for my not being present with my children and how beautiful they are.
• 1:09:54
  And just like all this connection, just feeling it and I'm crying and
• 1:09:59
  I'm just essentially, I was there for like an hour and a half and got up from it.
• 1:10:06
  anxiety completely gone.
• 1:10:08
  By the end of it, I just, I felt like a new human.
• 1:10:11
  And that was my first experience of my antenna going wide.
• 1:10:14
  You can talk about the hypothalamus pituitary, the crystals, we can get into all that.
• 1:10:18
  But that experience amongst others in my life showed me that just getting out at least once a year, I think we should be more than that, getting away.
• 1:10:29
  And it wasn't just a breath work.
• 1:10:30
  It was all these other
• 1:10:32
  There's a whole litany of beauty that's happened on this trip.
• 1:10:37
  But every trip, it feels like I'm integrating more and more information.
• 1:10:42
  I'm getting more and more connected to nature.
• 1:10:44
  But when the integration in nature, I started just fully feeling.
• 1:10:50
  And I was literally at one point casting.
• 1:10:52
  I could predict...
• 1:10:54
  When I was going to fish, I felt where the fish are at in the river.
• 1:10:56
  This sounds weird.
• 1:10:58
  That's real.
• 1:10:59
  That's what all indigenous hunters feel.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah, I felt it.
• 1:11:02
  And so crazy.
• 1:11:04
  Like, listen to this story.
• 1:11:05
  So crazy that the guide was like, if you do this again, it's not coincidence.
• 1:11:10
  I'm like, I feel it.
• 1:11:12
  That trip, I sensed the fish.
• 1:11:15
  I casted it.
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  Caught it.
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  Largest trout, rainbow trout they ever caught in 15 years that they know of.
• 1:11:25
  Largest, it was like 29 and a half rainbow.
• 1:11:28
  He didn't think we were going to get it.
• 1:11:29
  We're like rowing in the middle of the river.
• 1:11:31
  I mean, it was just beautiful.
• 1:11:32
  I mean, just everything you can experience, like just water rushing.
• 1:11:36
  We had to get the boat over and I'm out in the water and it's so big.
• 1:11:39
  It won't detach from the bottom.
• 1:11:41
  And he's out like waist deep just to net this thing.
• 1:11:44
  I mean, it was just spiritual, right?
• 1:11:46
  You can see me like I'm just... And then we looked at the fish, both of us.
• 1:11:51
  We looked at the fish and it saw us.
• 1:11:56
  We both like looked at each other.
• 1:11:58
  What is that?
• 1:11:59
  Like, what is that?
• 1:12:00
  There's history.
• 1:12:01
  There's beauty.
• 1:12:02
  There's wisdom coming from this fish.
• 1:12:05
  You could feel it, both of us.
• 1:12:07
  And we're like, what?
• 1:12:09
  I never thought in my life I would feel a fish.
• 1:12:11
  Because we think of a fish as this inferior, disconnected, like I get emotional just saying it.
• 1:12:17
  It was just amazing.
• 1:12:20
  Anyway, so that experience...
• 1:12:22
  What I talked to you about up on the hill where I got, I pulled the shields down of guilt and shame.
• 1:12:28
  And for all the guys suffering out here, you know, send this podcast.
• 1:12:33
  When I pulled down guilt and shame,
• 1:12:36
  I started to laugh again.
• 1:12:37
  I found my laugh.
• 1:12:39
  I was able to connect with my children again, like experience life again.
• 1:12:44
  Like it just opened up this door, this, I would call it like a dam of love and it cracked my dam.
• 1:12:52
  And now that water just flows more and more through that crack, the crack gets bigger.
• 1:12:57
  Each and every year, the more I get connected, the more beautiful it feels.
• 1:13:01
  When I come back from five days in nature when I was with you, I couldn't believe how I saw my children.
• 1:13:06
  Their voices almost echoed.
• 1:13:08
  Like it was crazy how much I could feel them because I was so connected to nature after five days and wind and storm and fire.
• 1:13:15
  It was a mess.
• 1:13:17
  It was a mess up there.
• 1:13:18
  Right?
• 1:13:20
  You, nature...
• 1:13:22
  pushed her way into our tents, you know, our cups were frozen in the morning.
• 1:13:26
  Yeah.
• 1:13:26
  Like, and it's supposed to be the most beautiful time of year yet.
• 1:13:29
  It was a cold snap.
• 1:13:31
  So when I really pushed her limits there.
• 1:13:34
  So I'm just, I encourage you guys, you know, I mean, the Boy Scouts knew this, you know, the indigenous knew this.
• 1:13:41
  It's just a beautiful thing.
• 1:13:43
  Thanks for letting me share on this beautiful podcast with you that story.
• 1:13:47
  Well, I want to take that a little level, another level deeper maybe with what you're feeling because it's critical for us, again, let go of guilt, shame and fear and also let go of judgment.
• 1:13:56
  Ultimately, The Course of Miracles is an extraordinary tome that was created in the 1970s and 80s by this woman who was previous to this experience, completely atheist.
• 1:14:06
  She didn't believe there was God.
• 1:14:07
  They didn't believe there was any sort of higher intelligence at all.
• 1:14:10
  And then she started...
• 1:14:12
  channeling all of this information that would become this book called The Course in Miracles.
• 1:14:16
  And the last line in this extremely intense, dense book is, the last thing that I will do in this human body is let go of judgment.
• 1:14:26
  And for a long time, I just thought that was beautiful because all my hospice work and everything else, I saw people hit that zone of just like finally letting go of judgment on their life and accepting that they were dying.
• 1:14:35
  And the reconciliation healing that happens in those minutes and hours after that, they're often nonverbal, but they exchange telepathically with their children and their grandchildren and ancestors forwards and backwards.
• 1:14:49
  You can feel the healing when they just finally let go of judgment on their own journey.
• 1:14:53
  and they don't have the energy left because their brain is dying.
• 1:14:56
  They don't have the energy to maintain the stories of guilt and shame and fear.
• 1:14:59
  They just all kind of evaporates.
• 1:15:01
  And once that's evaporated and they remain present in their breath and all they have left of a few breaths, they're now transmitting so much information to their kids and the kids are crying at the bedside and realizing the mother loved them all the time and she can't even talk and they suddenly feel all of her love for them and,
• 1:15:19
  All the years of estrangement and anger and abuse, all of it evaporates in a moment.
• 1:15:25
  And so after time, I started rereading that, realizing what it's saying is not that I'm going to let go of judgment only when I die.
• 1:15:32
  It's going to say that when I do let go of judgment, it'll be the last thing I do in this human body.
• 1:15:36
  Because as soon as I do, I will either die or have a new human body.
• 1:15:40
  So that's where I started creating these events that you experienced is, what if we create the conditions in which all of your fear and shame can die,
• 1:15:48
  And the whole judgment paradigm that would have allowed for the fear, guilt, and shame to exist could be let go of just for a moment so that you can immediately rebirth the context through forgiveness and through this incredible thing that we can just call awareness that...
• 1:16:05
  You would think that forgiveness is the opposite of guilt and shame and all this, but it turns out that the actual finished thing that's actually holding polarity to everything is awareness.
• 1:16:15
  Once you become fully aware of life and its context and its infinite nature and the role of stress and the beautiful role of stress in life itself, then you suddenly get to a moment where you can let go of judgment because you realize there's nothing to forgive at all.
• 1:16:30
  Because all of the stressors were perfect and designed by each person in the constellation of that experience to put the right amount of stress on them, to heal something, to transform something, to move past something.
• 1:16:42
  And so that's the beauty of progression, I think, in these outdoor nature-based experiences is it will be a beautiful moment when you start to forgive yourself in a much more extraordinary transcendent moment when you find out there's nothing to forgive.
• 1:16:57
  That was simply the path that I created for my soul to have this experience of being the perpetrator, being the bad guy, being the absent father.
• 1:17:08
  And my kids knew that that was the experience they were going to have because the soul has no time frame reference, knows the journey it's stepping into when it quantum entangles with a fertilized egg in the womb of a mother.
• 1:17:20
  That journey that has now been begun is known in its wholeness before the child ever even enters this world.
• 1:17:26
  And so the divine and the awareness of the divine is outside of space time.
• 1:17:32
  And the soul would have to be interconnected to that outside of space-time awareness.
• 1:17:36
  And so the soul already knows the journey, and so your child signed up for the experience that they've had with you as a parent.
• 1:17:43
  And it's put a certain amount of stress on them so that they can feel things that no other life could have produced.
• 1:17:48
  And it might be heartbreak and loneliness and rejection and a sense of, I'm not enough because my dad never says something or I feel rejected or I'm never measuring up or the metrics are wrong.
• 1:18:01
  The child wanted to have that experience.
• 1:18:04
  Maybe the child doesn't know it, but the soul certainly does.
• 1:18:08
  I wanted this experience because in a moment I will have to let go of this finite, limited perspective and return to the infinite, interconnected reality that everything is divine and it's all perfect.
• 1:18:22
  Nature is iterating perfect.
• 1:18:24
  Nature iterated through me as a dad who was absent and all this stuff.
• 1:18:28
  For a long time, I held this belief of like, man, I wish I had a second marriage after my first one, just hoping that I would have kids again so I would do it better.
• 1:18:37
  only to find out that like, no, like my soul is imprinted in this thing.
• 1:18:41
  I'm going to have the same blind spots for the whole life, no matter if I'm a little more good at coping with them.
• 1:18:47
  I'm a little bit more relationally connected.
• 1:18:49
  So I'm not quite as, but I'm going to be the same person.
• 1:18:53
  Anybody who's connected to me is going to have the same experience with me.
• 1:18:56
  No matter how wise I've gotten, I'll still hold the same blind spots.
• 1:19:01
  I'll still mess up things.
• 1:19:03
  I'll still be short of temper in a different situation.
• 1:19:05
  I'll still trigger to the same damn things.
• 1:19:08
  And so that's been such a relief to me in these recent years of like, I don't need more kids to find out if I could do it better.
• 1:19:14
  because I did it just fine the first time, because I did it exactly how my soul and my kids anticipated that it would happen.
• 1:19:22
  And look at how beautiful we've all turned down.
• 1:19:24
  And my kids are super independent because I was such a busy, distracted dad.
• 1:19:30
  And they're just thriving in life on so many levels.
• 1:19:35
  And because they learned and they wanted a path where I wasn't intertangled with them emotionally and trying to like prove I'm a good dad because they're getting A's and performing well on the soccer team.
• 1:19:45
  And I wasn't living vicariously through my good dadding.
• 1:19:49
  So maybe that was their gift that they wanted.
• 1:19:51
  Maybe they wanted a dad that wasn't good dadding all over them.
• 1:19:54
  And so I was a dad who just trusted they knew their thing.
• 1:19:58
  And my kids were just, by the time they were 14, they were graduating high school.
• 1:20:03
  They were homeschooled through and tested out of high school.
• 1:20:05
  And so they were getting their associate's degrees.
• 1:20:07
  And so they grew up so fast.
• 1:20:09
  And for a long time, I beat myself up over that.
• 1:20:11
  Like, wow, they didn't get their childhood.
• 1:20:13
  Like, that's a dominant story.
• 1:20:15
  Guilt and shame, yeah.
• 1:20:15
  And then you look back in time, you're like, wait a second.
• 1:20:18
  Up until the last hundred years, the previous million years of Neanderthals to Homo sapiens or whatever, 13, 14 was the normal time to leave the house and start having children and go about your life.
• 1:20:32
  And so what the hell are we doing in this like 13 to 23?
• 1:20:34
  Yeah, we're putting... That's now bleeding into 33.
• 1:20:36
  Like we're keeping these children locked in this weird codependent relationship to I'm the child, you're the parent.
• 1:20:43
  No, no, no.
• 1:20:45
  By 13, 14, this is an autonomous, nested sovereign being in the home.
• 1:20:51
  If they're functioning as something that's not fully self-resourced, they're probably lacking relationships.
• 1:20:57
  And so this is where the village worked so well.
• 1:20:59
  The village did.
• 1:21:01
  I mean, we need to excuse ourselves now as dads.
• 1:21:04
  We need to be like, huge permission slip, dad.
• 1:21:07
  You weren't given a village.
• 1:21:08
  And there's no way you're going to behave and serve as 120 people used to.
• 1:21:13
  The normal size of any human village for tens of thousands of years, hundreds of thousands of years, was 120 to 150 people.
• 1:21:20
  As soon as it got bigger than that, the young men would go off and start a new village.
• 1:21:27
  The 150 people were a tribe.
• 1:21:29
  They were a pack.
• 1:21:30
  They were a one biologic, neurologic experience.
• 1:21:34
  And they all could feel each other.
• 1:21:35
  They all knew who was needing to be called that day and go sit on the log with and sit by the fire with.
• 1:21:41
  It was a one biological experience.
• 1:21:44
  Then we suddenly isolated in these nuclear families after World War II, and we decided that education was more important than family.
• 1:21:51
  And so we went off to universities, and then we decided that money was more important than family.
• 1:21:55
  So we got big jobs and chased bigger paychecks at the price of not being connected to our grandparents when they died.
• 1:22:01
  And so we spent a few generations doing this.
• 1:22:04
  But it's so recent, like, it's easy for us to go back to village life.
• 1:22:08
  And I think we're about to because we have to.
• 1:22:10
  It's becoming, it's happening.
• 1:22:12
  It's already happening.
• 1:22:13
  It's happening in a big way.
• 1:22:15
  One of the books that changed our life is just, I think she's a, I can't get her name.
• 1:22:23
  The name is Hunt Gather Parent.
• 1:22:24
  I've shared this on a few other podcasts.
• 1:22:27
  But what was astounding to me, because we're trying to control our kids and make things perfect for them.
• 1:22:34
  And in Hunt Gather Parent in these tribal communities, and she went to all of them, they allowed her into her home and how the kids participated and how much they were doing at 14 years old.
• 1:22:43
  And they could watch four or five kids and...
• 1:22:45
  They were in dangerous situations and no one was dying.
• 1:22:49
  No one was getting hurt.
• 1:22:50
  The amount of participation, how much they could do.
• 1:22:52
  I mean, it was just astounding the amount of complexity and beauty these young children had.
• 1:23:02
  And children in America, because of how we parent, trying to, you know, put them in a box and do everything for them.
• 1:23:09
  And it's a mess.
• 1:23:11
  Yeah.
• 1:23:12
  And it doesn't allow, and this is what happens in community.
• 1:23:15
  And we, you know, and that's one reason we have Maria come in to help out while we homeschool, because she brings some community.
• 1:23:22
  She brings some outside information to help.
• 1:23:25
  We don't have any family here.
• 1:23:26
  So we have to like- Bring the village.
• 1:23:28
  Bring the village in, you know, it's beautiful.
• 1:23:31
  When you were a hospice-
• 1:23:34
  medical doctor as well.
• 1:23:35
  And one thing that you've said, just to kind of put a bow on that, is that every single time, whether they came back, right, from their near-death experience, or they passed on,
• 1:23:49
  No one looked back at their life and said, man, this really sucked.
• 1:23:52
  I messed up.
• 1:23:53
  Like all that, all the guilt and shame we think that we're going to have on our deathbed, that didn't happen in your experience.
• 1:24:00
  Not at all.
• 1:24:01
  Yeah.
• 1:24:02
  And interestingly, there was one particular day that like kind of shifted my life.
• 1:24:08
  In the hospital, when we try to resuscitate people, it's the best of circumstances.
• 1:24:12
  We've got the crash cart.
• 1:24:13
  We've got nurses.
• 1:24:13
  We've got all the materials.
• 1:24:14
  We've got the paddles there.
• 1:24:16
  We've got all the drugs to inject.
• 1:24:18
  Best case scenario, you succeed in 6% of resuscitation efforts.
• 1:24:22
  So if somebody's heart stops, you rush in with all the right resources within 30 seconds, you're still going to fail 94% to get that person back.
• 1:24:29
  And so the failure rate's high.
• 1:24:32
  This particular night, I got three successful recoveries in a row, which I will never experience again.
• 1:24:39
  Like the mathematical likelihood of 6% times 6% times 6%.
• 1:24:42
  It's like winning the lottery three times.
• 1:24:45
  Yeah, this is literally a ridiculous situation happened.
• 1:24:48
  And it all happened within like a four-hour period of...
• 1:24:51
  in the ICU.
• 1:24:52
  I was a senior resident, so I was years into my training, and one was an African-American pastor in the Black Baptist church system that I was raising my kids in, so I kind of knew him through periphery.
• 1:25:04
  I didn't go to his church, but the Black Baptist churches are beautifully networked in the South there, and so in Virginia and the deep rural environment we're in, we all kind of knew each other in the Black Baptist church environment, and so
• 1:25:17
  He was loved.
• 1:25:18
  And so over the course of his two week ICU stay that then led to his near death and then death, he was visited by hundreds of people.
• 1:25:26
  Like it was a problem.
• 1:25:27
  Like nurses were like trying to kick people out and there'd be 25 people in the room at a time.
• 1:25:31
  And just a beautiful demonstration of what what a community feels like and what a man did for a community that they all felt the need to come and just give love and bring gifts and talk to them about what they remember about them and.
• 1:25:45
  So he was one of the deaths.
• 1:25:46
  Another one was this white guy who'd been estranged from his family.
• 1:25:53
  He had been diagnosed with HIV in the late 1990s and then rejected by all of his community because now he's got HIV.
• 1:26:00
  And so he was just ostracized from social life.
• 1:26:06
  Atheist, doesn't believe in God at all.
• 1:26:09
  Dying of end-stage warden failure and liver failure from drinking and self-to-death combined with the HIV drugs that all damage the liver.
• 1:26:18
  And dying alone, just like no visitors in the two weeks leading up to his death.
• 1:26:23
  The third one was an 18-year-old kid was born with a congenital condition in which the bones don't harden, they don't ossify.
• 1:26:32
  And so they fracture bones constantly from the moment they're born there.
• 1:26:35
  They're born with fractures.
• 1:26:36
  Like they just, they can cough and fracture two ribs.
• 1:26:41
  They can, you know, be jostled in the thing and have a femur fractal in their thing.
• 1:26:47
  So what happens is because there's so many fractures, all of the growth plates are disrupted.
• 1:26:51
  And so they'd never grow.
• 1:26:53
  So this 18 year old kid, normal size head, great, you know, good looking 18 year old face.
• 1:26:59
  But his body is like a three or four year old, tiny, because it never could grow because it's had tens of thousands of fractures over its lifetime.
• 1:27:09
  absolutely adored by his high school.
• 1:27:11
  Like he's the high school mascot.
• 1:27:12
  Every kid knows him because he's just like, just pours love out.
• 1:27:17
  No victim circumstance whatsoever.
• 1:27:20
  He's just like sheer joy.
• 1:27:22
  Like a Down syndrome kid or something like that, where they just, they came in with a different set of information.
• 1:27:26
  They've been integrating information differently because they had to.
• 1:27:29
  And so the stressors in his life had just led him to this like angelic presence.
• 1:27:33
  So I've got these three different personalities that I've been taking care of.
• 1:27:36
  And I knew all of them really well.
• 1:27:37
  I knew their families and knew how estranged and lonely the other guy was.
• 1:27:41
  And then they all died within hours of each other.
• 1:27:45
  They all have these codes, a hard stop.
• 1:27:47
  So I go rushing in three times and recover all three of them.
• 1:27:52
  Over the next six to 18, 24 hours, all three of them wake up to the point where we can extubate them, which is...
• 1:27:59
  way more unlikely than even getting the 6% back.
• 1:28:02
  And so miracle happens that they all are talking to me the next day or two.
• 1:28:06
  And the first thing that all three of them say to me is, I am enough.
• 1:28:12
  I can't believe it, but I am enough.
• 1:28:14
  And so what I pulled from that in the years that followed was there's only one singular womb that every man walks around with is, I am not enough.
• 1:28:23
  It doesn't matter if you're a successful preacher that's blessed tens of thousands of people over the years in your whole congregation, or you're dying of AIDS lonely and rejected by your entire civilization, or a child who will never live past 18 years old.
• 1:28:37
  All of you don't think you're enough.
• 1:28:39
  And so I just want all of us as dads and as men to just sit with that for a moment.
• 1:28:43
  Like, this is a universal wound.
• 1:28:47
  And the one thing we're going to find out as soon as we duck across the veil is we are enough.
• 1:28:52
  And it was perfect.
• 1:28:53
  And we didn't screw up.
• 1:28:56
  They didn't have to go on to tell me about Jesus or unconditional love or anything.
• 1:29:01
  All they had to do was announce that they were enough.
• 1:29:04
  And what happened in those coming days was amazing.
• 1:29:07
  The guy who was estranged and had not had a single visitor had three visitors show up.
• 1:29:13
  and sit there and cry with him and laugh with him and tell stories about 20 years back, he was suddenly sending a different signal into the telepathic field of humanity of, I'm enough.
• 1:29:24
  People felt that, like, oh my gosh, I should think about Jimmy.
• 1:29:27
  Oh my gosh.
• 1:29:29
  Called his mom and she says he's in the hospital.
• 1:29:31
  Where is he in the hospital?
• 1:29:32
  And they travel three states to go find Jimmy.
• 1:29:35
  Because he's suddenly enough.
• 1:29:36
  Enough.
• 1:29:38
  And so when we are at our most desperate state, we can become still and just allow ourselves to move across the veil energetically until we can feel that we are complete.
• 1:29:49
  We're enough.
• 1:29:50
  We are whole.
• 1:29:51
  We were never actually broken.
• 1:29:53
  We were misperceived.
• 1:29:57
  Our dads misperceived us.
• 1:29:58
  We misperceived our children.
• 1:30:00
  We misperceived our role for our children.
• 1:30:03
  We didn't understand the role of our dad in our lives.
• 1:30:06
  We didn't understand the relationship between mom and dad.
• 1:30:09
  We didn't have enough information, and we certainly didn't have the stillness, awareness, and presence to feel all of the information that would have given us the context of what we were experiencing without judgment.
• 1:30:21
  Instead, we developed judgment because we were dealing with too little information, because we were relationally deficient.
• 1:30:27
  And so we developed the ego to protect us from the judgment of others that we're all relationally.
• 1:30:33
  So this has been the slippery, snowballing effect of the last 5,000 years or so, as we just are every generation more coated in the residues of failure, rejection, and all of this.
• 1:30:45
  And so it's finally playing itself out.
• 1:30:49
  We've got one in three males now infertile by sperm count.
• 1:30:52
  We've gotten to the biological point where we cannot tolerate the amount of fear, guilt, and shame that the masculine is now carrying.
• 1:31:01
  We're done.
• 1:31:03
  And so now we are in our collective near-death experience.
• 1:31:07
  And if at that bedside of humanity...
• 1:31:11
  We all walk back out in nature and go fishing for three days.
• 1:31:15
  We just don't even have energy to pack a fishing gear, so we just go outside for three days.
• 1:31:21
  Everybody can survive three days without food.
• 1:31:23
  You'll be way better for it.
• 1:31:24
  A three-day fast is miraculous.
• 1:31:26
  So just take a couple of water jugs and go out in nature with your buddy.
• 1:31:30
  It takes no preparation.
• 1:31:31
  Just go out in nature for three days.
• 1:31:35
  Start with three hours if you need to start there and then do six hours and then do 12 hours and then spend the night out.
• 1:31:40
  It's simple to get back out.
• 1:31:42
  It costs nothing if you just resist the temptation to go get the camping gear and the fishing gear and the 32 things and the jerry cans on the back of the truck.
• 1:31:51
  That's what I do.
• 1:31:51
  Yeah.
• 1:31:52
  And so it's like, let's make this a super simple return to nature where we don't need to gear up to get out in nature.
• 1:31:59
  We need to gear down.
• 1:32:00
  We need to gear down to get out in nature together and acknowledge what it feels like to be a man at the deathbed of humanity.
• 1:32:09
  And then we can be one of those hospice patients, 10% of hospice patients.
• 1:32:14
  I was admitting 80 patients a week to die as a hospice doctor.
• 1:32:18
  10% is eight patients a week.
• 1:32:21
  After they dip across the veil and see that they're enough, reverse their disease completely and go on to live life, have to be discharged from hospice in three months because they're thriving.
• 1:32:29
  Eight patients a week deciding to go live more life because they just found out that they're enough.
• 1:32:34
  And they let go of all the fear, guilt, and shame and their disease goes away.
• 1:32:38
  Humanity's got a 10% chance.
• 1:32:40
  Every human has a 10% chance of living more life and 100% of us have the opportunity to die well.
• 1:32:48
  which is without fear, without guilt, without shame, without judgment.
• 1:32:51
  We'll all die that way.
• 1:32:52
  We're all going to get to the point of non-judgment on the life, and we'll find out we're enough on the other side.
• 1:32:58
  That doesn't mean we go back to enlightenment.
• 1:33:00
  It doesn't mean anything.
• 1:33:01
  It doesn't need to mean anything.
• 1:33:04
  It just gives us the opportunity to invite each other as men into a down-gear experience.
• 1:33:11
  Less preparation, less stuff, less consumption, less shields.
• 1:33:17
  Every camping implement we buy is just another shield.
• 1:33:20
  We're afraid of nature.
• 1:33:21
  We're afraid of insufficiency.
• 1:33:23
  We want to make sure we've got enough snacks, whatever it is.
• 1:33:25
  Like...
• 1:33:26
  Just declutter, declutter, declutter, declutter, down gear to get out in nature and go simple.
• 1:33:35
  We were just in loincloths for 300,000 years.
• 1:33:37
  So like, what the heck?
• 1:33:39
  Five pairs of Patagonia pants, probably not necessary.
• 1:33:43
  Like, let's just really down gear.
• 1:33:45
  Let's get rid of the fluff and let's just go get raw with nature and do a rites of passage.
• 1:33:50
  Let's just be in silence.
• 1:33:52
  All of the rites of passage were always in silence.
• 1:33:54
  Don't talk to each other.
• 1:33:56
  Feel each other.
• 1:33:57
  Remember how to be telepathic together.
• 1:34:00
  Remember how to feel each other's fields.
• 1:34:02
  Remember how to feel where in the pond the fish is.
• 1:34:05
  It's funny, in my experience, my lived experience, even with camping, what's been on my heart as I...
• 1:34:15
  have been taking those steps.
• 1:34:16
  It's like I way over pack.
• 1:34:18
  Like I just, I'm just putting nothing in my truck.
• 1:34:21
  I'm not going to have extra blankets and all this other stuff.
• 1:34:24
  I just need to, I make it so complicated to me, a data pack.
• 1:34:28
  So I don't want to go away because I don't have the time.
• 1:34:29
  And that's, I got to do away with all of that.
• 1:34:32
  I just got to simplify and just go and save a whole day of prep and, you know,
• 1:34:38
  and that can give me another day in nature.
• 1:34:39
  So what you're saying is exactly what I'm feeling because it's just way too complicated.
• 1:34:45
  I have too much stuff, so much stuff.
• 1:34:47
  I'll show you my stuff.
• 1:34:48
  I got lots of great stuff.
• 1:34:50
  I'd love to show it to some other male, brag about my stuff.
• 1:34:54
  And I wanted to share this story with you because when you, I've heard that before from you on like on the Joe Rogan podcast, which is an amazing podcast, by the way.
• 1:35:05
  I have a lot of my friends are like, did you watch the Zach Bush podcast?
• 1:35:09
  I'm like, yeah, it's, he's like, he's, he's sapient.
• 1:35:12
  He gets it.
• 1:35:13
  I'm like, yeah, he gets it.
• 1:35:15
  You know, you should.
• 1:35:16
  I remember 15 years ago, you scared me away.
• 1:35:18
  I'm like, he gets it too much.
• 1:35:20
  I'm like, I don't resonate with Zach.
• 1:35:22
  I didn't understand you.
• 1:35:24
  And now here I am, you know, my shields are being put down.
• 1:35:27
  And I can feel you.
• 1:35:29
  I can feel you, you know, when you walk in my home, I can...
• 1:35:33
  feel you when you're not even in my home.
• 1:35:35
  And it's beautiful and it's fun and it's exciting and it's great to have these relationships.
• 1:35:39
  It never would've happened.
• 1:35:41
  You wouldn't be here if I wasn't connected.
• 1:35:45
  Like you wouldn't have been, there's lots of places you could go.
• 1:35:48
  Any podcast, you know, I mean, you're very well connected human, but you wanted to come talk to these guys and share that with them and share your heart, which is really what we wanted.
• 1:36:00
  I actually want to meet your daughters.
• 1:36:01
  Yeah, you did.
• 1:36:02
  I really did.
• 1:36:03
  Like I was had so much excitement for meeting your family because.
• 1:36:08
  I'm peripherally aware of a lot of your life just because as buddies, we had, you know, a collegial environment that was common, and we all went on a similar journey.
• 1:36:18
  You know, you and Dan Pompa and the whole gang, we were all kind of thrown into this, like, I think we're supposed to reject the current paradigm of medicine, so we've got to create the new one.
• 1:36:27
  So we've been kind of floundering around in the dark together.
• 1:36:31
  For 15 years plus.
• 1:36:33
  For 15 years plus.
• 1:36:34
  And for me, 2010 was my departure, so, like...
• 1:36:38
  I'm excited to meet other people that have flown around in the same cave.
• 1:36:41
  And when we come together in the reflections that we get in the children and the community that we build around ourselves, we get to better understand our own journey.
• 1:36:50
  So I knew in coming and spending time.
• 1:36:52
  And of course, it's your youngest daughter, Aspen, who's like got me down on the floor sorting through her rock collection within minutes of arrival.
• 1:37:01
  And so not surprisingly, she knew how to bring us down to the right level of like, let's sort the rocks by color.
• 1:37:07
  and that simple meditative process of like this.
• 1:37:09
  And she was so cool to like perceive the differences so quickly.
• 1:37:12
  And she wanted like the ones that were, oh, that one's not white.
• 1:37:16
  That one's that one's cloudy white.
• 1:37:20
  That one's that was not cloudy white.
• 1:37:21
  That one's crystal.
• 1:37:23
  And so she had this amazing demonstration of presence.
• 1:37:27
  And all she needed was everybody.
• 1:37:28
  And the cool thing was within minutes, the entire family was on the floor with Aspen.
• 1:37:33
  And we were all sitting there chatting over the process and the rocks are being sorted and nobody's talking about the rocks and beautiful stories are coming out of your older daughter.
• 1:37:44
  And so that's what I was excited to feel is like, man, we all came out of the cave and we're all going to learn more when we like have curiosity for the fruit of our bumblings.
• 1:37:57
  And had you not been in the same cave, I wouldn't have met you.
• 1:38:00
  And if you hadn't bumbled along and quote unquote made mistakes, the children would have grown in the same way they have.
• 1:38:07
  And all I can say is you've done it perfectly, my friend.
• 1:38:10
  Your children are the perfect result of a life that has and requires no judgment and has nothing to forgive.
• 1:38:18
  If that's the output of your parenting journey, there is nothing to forgive.
• 1:38:24
  Those children are the perfect manifestation of those three souls.
• 1:38:29
  And they're on their own cosmic journey between heaven and earth and back again.
• 1:38:35
  And they chose a path that was going to allow them to express themselves exactly as they do in this constellation of you, your wife, the homeschooling, your journey into professional development and chewed up and spit out or whatever it is.
• 1:38:50
  Like we can have our stories of success or failures.
• 1:38:53
  But the fact is the children were present the whole time.
• 1:38:56
  So they got the most out of the experience.
• 1:38:59
  You and I will spend the next 25 years figuring out why we bumbled around and did the things and all that, but they already know because they were present for the whole journey and it was enough for them.
• 1:39:10
  You are definitely enough for your daughters.
• 1:39:12
  And I am definitely enough for my kids, even though right now my son is much better off not talking to me these days.
• 1:39:19
  He doesn't want to interact because he's going on his journey into his 30s now and he needs to make that jump from late 20s to early 30s.
• 1:39:27
  And all of us have to go through the Saturn return moment in those years.
• 1:39:31
  And so watching my son move into that, there's an easy way for me to say, well, this is must be, you know, the divorce and my failures and all of this.
• 1:39:38
  And so now he's rejecting me.
• 1:39:40
  No, no, no, no.
• 1:39:43
  This is not about me.
• 1:39:44
  This is about him.
• 1:39:46
  He's doing his journey.
• 1:39:48
  And the only way I can foul up his journey and slow him down is by mucking it up by projecting me on him.
• 1:39:55
  No, no.
• 1:39:56
  My son is doing exactly his perfect journey.
• 1:40:00
  He's so much smarter than me when he came into the womb.
• 1:40:02
  He's been so much more.
• 1:40:06
  just, he must have been, comes in with some sort of yoga experience or anything, because he can, like, go into a meditative transcendent space in, like, a flat second.
• 1:40:16
  And we did projects together for the whole, you know, first 18 years of his life.
• 1:40:20
  We built houses together and all kinds of things.
• 1:40:22
  And he was always on the other side of the board.
• 1:40:25
  And it was a nonverbal relationship.
• 1:40:27
  We didn't have to talk because he always knew what to do.
• 1:40:30
  He knew how to build a house better than I did.
• 1:40:32
  And so a beautiful relationship.
• 1:40:35
  But from the outside, I could assign to that relationship all kinds of failures on my part.
• 1:40:42
  But it would be ludicrous contamination of the beauty of the relationship and the divine nature of the relationship, which was designed by all of the relationships that I represent and all of the relationships he represents.
• 1:40:54
  And the incredible thing that those were able to dovetail for a period of time and then go apart and then come back again stronger and more aware of what we both bring to the relationship in two years when he comes back or whatever.
• 1:41:05
  And he will.
• 1:41:06
  No question.
• 1:41:06
  No question.
• 1:41:07
  Because we love each other so much.
• 1:41:09
  And it happens –
• 1:41:10
  you know, all the time.
• 1:41:11
  And we live in guilt and shame when we never had to, because it was all going to be perfect anyway.
• 1:41:17
  And, and look at nature, how the, there is no bull elephant that hangs out with that bull elephant.
• 1:41:23
  for a lifetime.
• 1:41:24
  Not at all.
• 1:41:25
  The male lion has to leave by 18 months of age.
• 1:41:28
  Those male lions get kicked out.
• 1:41:30
  They're like, you're on your own.
• 1:41:32
  And then they do come back and they form new relationships at a much more macro scale.
• 1:41:37
  They have their territory.
• 1:41:38
  Dad has his territory and they do overlap.
• 1:41:41
  And once in a while, the orbits do pass and these two male lions on the bush of Africa will stare at each other.
• 1:41:48
  telepathically communicating everything they've experienced in their different domains.
• 1:41:53
  And neither of them at any point feels rejected by the other.
• 1:41:55
  That's ludicrous.
• 1:41:56
  Like a lion couldn't even imagine that scenario.
• 1:41:59
  And so it's only because we carry this failure of relationships that we have a myopic vision that would think that our son is rejecting us or we weren't enough for our children, whatever stories we're telling in the relational context of a nature that's infinite in all directions.
• 1:42:15
  You're doing a phenomenally great job, Dad, all of you.
• 1:42:18
  All of you are doing a great job.
• 1:42:21
  And it doesn't mean it looks good.
• 1:42:22
  And it doesn't mean you're not putting stress on your children.
• 1:42:24
  It doesn't mean you're not feeling incredible stress about how you wish it would be done.
• 1:42:28
  All of that's real and should be felt.
• 1:42:30
  And the more you feel it, the quicker you will metabolize those feelings.
• 1:42:34
  If you don't allow yourself to feel it, it will remain an emotion, which is a mental abstraction of a feeling.
• 1:42:41
  And it will have to be stored in the body to disrupt your biology.
• 1:42:45
  The place where both males and females will put sexual emotions of fear, sexual fear, sexual guilt, sexual shame, is in the floor of the pelvis.
• 1:42:57
  Males and females do it.
• 1:42:59
  It turns out that the male has an organ right there, and it's called the prostate.
• 1:43:04
  Seventy percent of men by age 70 have prostate cancer.
• 1:43:08
  70% of men by age 70 have prostate cancer.
• 1:43:11
  50% of men by age 50 have prostate cancer.
• 1:43:14
  So there's extraordinary penetrance of dysfunction.
• 1:43:19
  And the dysfunction in the prostate is caused by the lack of communication that occurs when an emotion is stored in the place of...
• 1:43:26
  flow.
• 1:43:27
  Emotions break flow.
• 1:43:29
  And so when you start storing fear, guilt, shame around sexuality as a male you can put that in your prostate and you'll develop disease.
• 1:43:37
  Same thing for grief, basic lungs, lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, lung cancer, all from unmetabolized grief, anger.
• 1:43:44
  And so the point of this is ultimately
• 1:43:48
  gentlemen, we got to forgive it.
• 1:43:50
  We got to stop carrying the emotions of the stories of this not enoughness.
• 1:43:57
  And we've got to feel it all until it washes the prostate clean.
• 1:44:03
  Feel all of the
• 1:44:06
  sexual impropriety or the sexual abuse or whatever is causing grief, maybe just sexual loneliness, whatever it is, feel it all the way at the edge of a river while you're fishing or while you're just sitting there staring at the sunset over a river.
• 1:44:22
  Allow yourself to fully feel your sexual trauma until the prostate relaxes.
• 1:44:30
  And then you can begin again and start to have curiosity about what would my sexuality look like without fear, guilt, and shame.
• 1:44:39
  What would it look like if I understood my sexuality in the context of the biology of being a male, in the context of a nation that is doing sex all the time without trauma, without judgment, without manipulation, without force.
• 1:44:56
  There's an allowance that's going to start coming through, and the only way there is nature.
• 1:45:00
  It's the only place where relationships are plentiful enough to allow for the reintegration of our trauma.
• 1:45:10
  Chemical trauma, emotional trauma, physical trauma.
• 1:45:14
  It will not integrate, we will not heal until we get enough relationships reintegrated into these human bodies, and we will only do that sitting by the river long enough.
• 1:45:23
  that's what's downloading into me.
• 1:45:25
  And I think millions of other people right now, some people were like, this is out there.
• 1:45:31
  And another huge percentage, we just gave them the greatest gift because I, after being in this cave with you for, well, I've been doing 18 years, but 15 years probably in, in our, our relationship with,
• 1:45:51
  I felt like I was doing it all wrong.
• 1:45:54
  Like there's so many outside answers, biohacking, peptides, like all stem cells.
• 1:46:01
  I had that on my little notebook down here.
• 1:46:03
  I was gonna ask you, is it dangerous?
• 1:46:05
  Peptides, like, oh, so we didn't go to the ruins, so we're much more beautiful.
• 1:46:09
  But I'm just rethinking it all because it just doesn't make sense because it's I'm personally experiencing a full alignment with nature.
• 1:46:17
  And the more I spend time in nature, my biology is changing.
• 1:46:20
  My testosterone is 951.
• 1:46:21
  It should not be 951.
• 1:46:23
  I'm not taking anything or doing.
• 1:46:25
  How did it get so high?
• 1:46:27
  My doctor's like, what?
• 1:46:28
  Restoration of relationships.
• 1:46:31
  That's it.
• 1:46:33
  Everything will improve when we reintegrate into nature and receive billions of new relationships by just sitting there.
• 1:46:40
  So to answer all of the questions about biohacking in one blow, there is not a single thing, technology, chemical, peptides, stem cells, not a single thing that's ever been offered to a human body from outside of it that cannot be done better by sitting in nature long enough.
• 1:46:57
  The Qigong masters, fully integrated, living in villages, none of the stressors of today, they knew that every 10 years they needed to go do cave work.
• 1:47:06
  And they would go into a cave for anywhere from a week to 30 days.
• 1:47:11
  So they'd spend seven to, you know, I guess it was more like 28 days.
• 1:47:14
  It was a full moon cycle.
• 1:47:15
  So they'd either do a week or a full moon cycle in a cave in complete darkness.
• 1:47:21
  And there are stories of these guys walking back out with new teeth and all kinds of things.
• 1:47:25
  Like...
• 1:47:26
  There is no stem cell that needs to be introduced to a body.
• 1:47:28
  My body is full of stem cells.
• 1:47:31
  If they're not activating, it's because they have a lack of information.
• 1:47:34
  That's all.
• 1:47:35
  And so that's that was the miracle that we stumbled into accidentally that became the ion product line is the intelligence of nature is what we call the product, because what we were witnessing with was a level of intelligence that we didn't know was possible because we were medical doctors that had always studied biology in isolation.
• 1:47:53
  We only knew human cells in isolation.
• 1:47:55
  That's what a petri dish is, is a fully isolated condition for human cells to try to die in.
• 1:48:00
  And so our conclusion is humans can only die.
• 1:48:03
  They can't repair it all.
• 1:48:04
  They must need external help.
• 1:48:07
  Because we've only studied your biology in isolation from nature.
• 1:48:11
  And so when we found these carbon molecules made by bacteria and fungi in soil that looked like the chemotherapy I used to make,
• 1:48:18
  I suddenly realized, oh my God, what is medicine doing in the soil?
• 1:48:21
  And why does that medicine look like a communication network, which is redox chemistry?
• 1:48:26
  And so we started introducing this to cancer cells and inflammation cells and all kinds of things.
• 1:48:30
  And every system that we put it back on, we saw regeneration and repair beyond our imagination.
• 1:48:37
  So much so if you give this at the same time as high doses of Roundup, the cell becomes stronger, not weaker.
• 1:48:44
  It's crazy.
• 1:48:45
  There is no toxicity glyphosate when you have an interconnected soil system.
• 1:48:51
  Roundup was dangerous to the planet because it has an isolating effect because it's an antibiotic.
• 1:48:56
  So it kills the soils that would be the solution to its presence.
• 1:48:59
  And so at this moment in time, we're borrowing the history, the memory of soil from fossil soils.
• 1:49:05
  We're taking the memory of soil and reintroducing human cells to it.
• 1:49:09
  And the human cells wake back up.
• 1:49:11
  So we started the Farmer's Footprint, which is our nonprofit, really working to help farmers and communities reconnect.
• 1:49:17
  Because the isolation of farmers and communities could not be bigger right now.
• 1:49:20
  And reconnecting your household to a farmer is the biggest thing you can do as a dad.
• 1:49:26
  And so go find a farmer.
• 1:49:28
  It doesn't matter if they're organic.
• 1:49:29
  It just doesn't matter.
• 1:49:30
  Don't worry about yourself with how they're farming.
• 1:49:33
  Just find a farmer that is willing to let your kids come and hang out and maybe harvest a crop.
• 1:49:40
  I guarantee you your kids will get more information and have more context to repair any chemical injury that they would get on the farm if they're out on the farm.
• 1:49:48
  If they're exposed secondarily to that chemical through food systems and they've never been outside, that chemical residue in their food will cause far more damage than being on the farm that's actually spraying the damage.
• 1:49:58
  And so it's our lack of natural systems, our lack of relationships that allows toxins to become damaging.
• 1:50:06
  Toxins can create stress that can be repaired and make us stronger, not weaker, if we have enough relational context.
• 1:50:13
  The hormetic effect that's...
• 1:50:16
  Studied for thousands of years.
• 1:50:17
  Thousands of years.
• 1:50:18
  Well, I want to keep talking, but we probably should wrap up this podcast and go break bread with my family.
• 1:50:25
  Let's do it.
• 1:50:26
  Aspen's probably losing your mind, right?
• 1:50:27
  Everything's from the garden.
• 1:50:29
  Tomatoes, potatoes, like all of it.
• 1:50:32
  I can't wait.
• 1:50:32
  I've been eating your tomatoes off the vine outside.
• 1:50:36
  Here's the one question that I'm going to ask you on tomato.
• 1:50:38
  We'll wrap it up with that.
• 1:50:39
  Yeah.
• 1:50:41
  You know, in a lot of this, I haven't jumped into biological elegance yet.
• 1:50:46
  I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:50:48
  I think there's a lot of things you share in your philosophies.
• 1:50:52
  And inside of this book, I'm excited and I'm elated to tap into it.
• 1:51:00
  I have to say that out of every...
• 1:51:04
  Any human that I would want to interview, I'm going to end it again with this too, is there's no other human that I would want to interview more than you right now.
• 1:51:13
  Because I believe what's flowing through you is so simple, but so profound that the world needs to hear it.
• 1:51:24
  We need to remember.
• 1:51:25
  We need to reconnect in nature.
• 1:51:26
  We don't need all these medications.
• 1:51:28
  We don't need all these freaking supplements.
• 1:51:29
  We don't need all this crap.
• 1:51:31
  Get your butt outside.
• 1:51:33
  Breathe the air, breathe information, breathe the exosomes, get reconnected.
• 1:51:40
  Your life will transform so quickly.
• 1:51:42
  Like, look at my biology.
• 1:51:43
  It's changing.
• 1:51:44
  And I, and it was, I was like, for me, it's like, I want to drink it.
• 1:51:49
  Like I got so depleted.
• 1:51:50
  I was so disconnected.
• 1:51:52
  And I just, my wife was like, what are you doing?
• 1:51:55
  I said, honey, I need to do this to survive.
• 1:51:58
  And she goes, okay.
• 1:52:00
  Okay, babe.
• 1:52:01
  I got this.
• 1:52:02
  So I spent, you know, a month just outside every morning for hours and would come back crying and weeping and connecting.
• 1:52:10
  And it sounds crazy, fellows, women.
• 1:52:15
  Humans.
• 1:52:16
  Humans.
• 1:52:17
  Just the humankind.
• 1:52:19
  It's so simple and so beautiful.
• 1:52:23
  And the love that you'll share, the downloads you'll get, the connection you'll have,
• 1:52:27
  to God, nature, yourself, and other people will create a beautiful ecosystem.
• 1:52:33
  So why is it so important?
• 1:52:36
  to grab that tomato from my garden and eat it.
• 1:52:39
  How is that different than going to Whole Foods and grabbing an organic tomato?
• 1:52:43
  Why is that connection, that relationship, so much more important?
• 1:52:47
  You nailed it with the last word there, relationship.
• 1:52:49
  It's because the relationships that are occurring around the tomato in your backyard are more relevant to your biology than anything that could come out of Whole Foods, because the supply chain for Whole Foods is typically 3,000 to 7,000 miles.
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  And so the tomato that's at Whole Foods doesn't breathe the air you breathe, doesn't know the soil you walk on, and so cannot give you the medicine that you need right now.
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  The biology of the tomato that's growing in your backyard is breathing the same air your children are breathing, that you're breathing, that your home is filled with.
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  The stressors that are here present...
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  within the soil system specific to Salt Lake City, the herbicide, pesticide, radiation, whatever stressors are sitting here are already being medicine to buy the plant life and floral life and microbiome in these soils here.
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  So the life around us is already adapting to the stressors that are here.
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  And so when I eat a tomato from your backyard, it's immediately relevant to the biology that I am now embodied in because I'm now in Salt Lake and I need the information from the tomato.
• 1:53:56
  It's like, what do I need to prepare for?
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  What stressors are here that weren't down in Panama a few days ago?
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  Well, the tomato knows.
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  It's been storing all the information.
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  It's already made the medicine, the right amount of lycopene, whatever's needed, so that I can have that now as medicine.
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  So 20 tomatoes later, I have had a huge download of information as to, like, what are the stressors?
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  What are the opportunities?
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  What are the new genetic gain of functions that have already been experienced in the biology around me here?
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  And so the closer you eat to home, ideally in your own home, there should be plants growing in your house, a mint plant in the window.
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  There should be tomatoes and basil out back.
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  Whatever you are breathing and touching, your plants should be breathing and touching because they're going to be part of the relational intelligence that's able to integrate the stressors of your environment.
• 1:54:40
  If all the food you eat is 3,000, 7,000 kilometers removed from your experience, it's growing medicine for the Peruvians.
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  Your tomato grown in Peru is not helpful to you as it is in the person that's down the street in Peru.
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  And so the closer you eat to home, it's not about how much selenium is there.
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  It's the right selenium for your environment because nature is so intelligent that it would know.
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  If you want to take this to the most extreme envelope of experiencing nature in its full capacity to nourish, you're not even going to pick the tomato off the vine.
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  And so I invite all of you to take a page out of the playbook of every other species on the planet.
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  Every other animal on the planet would never eat food off the ground.
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  It only eats food on the vine.
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  monkeys, giraffe, you name it, they're going to pick the grass that's living.
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  It's always going to be eating at the point of life force.
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  You're not going to be able to believe what a tomato tastes like when you literally bite it on the vine.
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  It tastes completely different.
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  The most profound version of this is cilantro.
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  Everybody kind of knows what cilantro is.
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  People love it.
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  They hate it.
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  Got that soapy little aftertaste.
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  It's astringent.
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  When you eat cilantro without picking it, it's this...
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  I'm not even going to tell you what it tastes like.
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  It's insanely different.
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  Because it's still connected to the life force of the land and you're going to suddenly realize I only have eaten dying food.
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  I only know what food that's already rotting feels like.
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  Because within a millionth of a second of being removed from its root system, the water system changes inside from a rightward spin to a leftward spin.
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  This is an atomic molecular change in the water structure of the plant, which immediately refolds all the proteins in the plant.
• 1:56:30
  And it's really cool because when the plant is connected, all it does is nourish you.
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  But if you pick the plant, it no longer can nourish you in the same way, but it has the intelligence of, you know what, the system must be stressed because my leaf has been removed.
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  And so I no longer am connected to the root system.
• 1:56:50
  This might be a condition for all of life around me.
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  Like there's a big disruption that's happened.
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  And
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  And so the nourishing aspects of the cell turn into medicine in that millionth of a second.
• 1:57:03
  So you're only eating dead and rotting food.
• 1:57:06
  But it's okay because nature prepared just the medicines you need and the food that's now disconnected from its original nourishment.
• 1:57:13
  And so what I did for my cancer patients was have them grow one flat of broccoli sprouts every day and eat that like grazing without picking it.
• 1:57:21
  They graze it from the flat so that at least daily their body is getting nourished rather than treated with the medicine of the food.
• 1:57:30
  The rest of the day, we did Ayurvedic nutrition.
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  All the food's always good for you.
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  It's always a gift.
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  But if you really want to experience nourishment instead of medical treatment from your food system, graze like every other animal.
• 1:57:42
  It makes so much sense.
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  That's what we used to do.
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  That's what we used to do.
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  That was hunter-gatherers.
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  That was hunter-gatherers.
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  That's beautiful.
• 1:57:49
  And I just, I want to add to that, throw some science, not that it matters, because we
• 1:57:56
  but it's kind of cool.
• 1:57:58
  There's major studies that have been done.
• 1:58:00
  There's like three or four that all cause mortality goes down in people who garden, who are connected to their food.
• 1:58:08
  And what was super interesting about that, and I want you to add to this real quick, is that even the, they took out the exercise effects, they just took it all out,
• 1:58:21
  brought it to zero, and there's like, it's still, there's something about gardening that still causes this longevity effect.
• 1:58:29
  They don't know what it is, but it's not the exercise.
• 1:58:32
  It's not the being outside.
• 1:58:33
  We'll take that out, and they don't know what it is.
• 1:58:35
  That's what's super cool about gardening.
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  What do you think it is?
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  It's relationships.
• 1:58:42
  The garden is introducing relationships that don't rely on the human activity.
• 1:58:46
  It's the human proximity to the garden that allows the conditions to occur for the restoration of relationships.
• 1:58:54
  And so your microbiome is updating immediately just by being outside.
• 1:58:58
  If you actually get down low enough to garden, this is now your face is down 12 inches from when you're picking a weed, and the basil plant's right next to your head,
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  exosomes, everything.
• 1:59:11
  You're taking in so much information because of just sheer proximity.
• 1:59:15
  So this is the grace of nature.
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  She doesn't expect anything of you.
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  She just wants you to be closer.
• 1:59:21
  Nature doesn't expect anything of you.
• 1:59:23
  She just wants you to be closer.
• 1:59:25
  And for that, you get to live longer with her.
• 1:59:28
  It's farmer's footprint, you know?
• 1:59:30
  It is farmer's footprint.
• 1:59:31
  And that's the beautiful thing again is like...
• 1:59:35
  The name Farmer's Footprint came from our film.
• 1:59:37
  So we created a film before we found out that there needed to be a nonprofit.
• 1:59:40
  And the film became called Farmer's Footprint because Nicole Ragland, who is our incredible filmmaker, created a – was going through a bunch of documents on like Japanese farming.
• 1:59:51
  And she found this proverb in the Japanese literature that says that the best fertilizer for a garden is the Farmer's Footprint.
• 2:00:00
  And so it's the recognition of not only are you going to improve in your health when you get out in nature and sit down in the garden, the garden's going to improve because you're human.
• 2:00:10
  And this is the beautiful story of humankind is the plant can feel you when you're two kilometers away and its responses grow more vigorous.
• 2:00:19
  And if we've now done the EEG studies and everything else to show that if you actually talk to the plant, it gets really crazy good.
• 2:00:26
  If you tell the plant, thank you for the tomato,
• 2:00:30
  All hell breaks down.
• 2:00:31
  It's like, oh my God, I want to grow more.
• 2:00:34
  Growth factors out the roots, all the respiratory pores and the leaves open up.
• 2:00:38
  Like the plant just goes crazy because it knows that you're aware of the relationship.
• 2:00:44
  All you have to do is...
• 2:00:46
  Pretty soon it gets so technicolor beautiful in the garden that you just have to say at some point, this is so sexy.
• 2:00:52
  These plants are so sexy.
• 2:00:53
  They are so sexy.
• 2:00:54
  That tomato you looked at today.
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  Oh, are you kidding?
• 2:00:57
  It even looked like a butt.
• 2:00:58
  That was like a sexy ass on that tomato.
• 2:01:00
  That's good looking tomato right there.
• 2:01:02
  And so the bizarre thing is the plant likes to be called sexy more than thank you.
• 2:01:09
  More happens in the plant if you tell it's sexy than I love you or isn't that weird?
• 2:01:14
  It is weird.
• 2:01:15
  That's strange.
• 2:01:17
  Plants like to be sexy.
• 2:01:19
  They want to be acknowledged.
• 2:01:20
  They want to show off.
• 2:01:21
  They don't, they like, thank you.
• 2:01:23
  They like, I love you, but you are sexy is good.
• 2:01:26
  So think about that with your partner.
• 2:01:27
  Yeah.
• 2:01:28
  When was the last time you just, we all say, oh, I love you, love you, but you are sexy today.
• 2:01:35
  Yeah.
• 2:01:36
  That's different.
• 2:01:37
  That's going to light her up.
• 2:01:38
  That's going to light her up.
• 2:01:39
  That's going to light you up.
• 2:01:40
  That's kind of what I was going to tell you.
• 2:01:41
  You've got to get that 900 testosterone busy.
• 2:01:43
  Yeah, the podcast was sexy.
• 2:01:45
  This was a sexy podcast.
• 2:01:49
  I had a blast with you, Zach.
• 2:01:52
  I'm just so overwhelmed with joy and thankfulness for you to be here.
• 2:01:55
  I want everyone who listens to this podcast, we're going to have lots of clips and fun things, but I want them to tap into what you're doing.
• 2:02:07
  Zach Bush MD on Instagram.
• 2:02:10
  Zach Bush MD on the social platform, ZachBushMD.com for the website.
• 2:02:14
  And I think if there's something that would be exciting for all you dads to experience is it's emerged.
• 2:02:21
  We didn't even plan it.
• 2:02:22
  We didn't create the product.
• 2:02:23
  It just emerged from our global community.
• 2:02:25
  But it's called Journey and it's a community platform.
• 2:02:29
  And so if you tap into the social media or you go to the book and it all directs you back to Journey ultimately
• 2:02:36
  The last thing that anybody needs, it's the most unnatural thing to have followers.
• 2:02:40
  And so the fact that we've organized social media around following is so unnatural because nature has no leader.
• 2:02:46
  There is no species, there is no tree that leads a forest.
• 2:02:50
  And so we have to let go of this concept of leadership, which is a whole another podcast, but this whole BS around we need to be better leaders as men and we need to be conscious leaders.
• 2:02:59
  That's its own form of toxicity and its own perturbation of nature.
• 2:03:03
  But ultimately, for all of the millions of followers and everything else, that's irrelevant.
• 2:03:08
  It matters nothing unless we get engaged.
• 2:03:12
  And so we've got to become participants again.
• 2:03:14
  We've got to stop following and trying to lead and all this.
• 2:03:16
  We've got to become participatory again.
• 2:03:18
  So that's what accidentally emerged was not a health platform, but a community platform.
• 2:03:23
  And now the community is doing all kinds of wild things together.
• 2:03:26
  And I learn the most when I'm with the community.
• 2:03:28
  And so in those two, every four weeks, we do another two-hour session all together.
• 2:03:33
  And we come in from all over the world for a couple hours together online.
• 2:03:37
  And it's just the fellowship that happens there is richer than anything I've experienced before.
• 2:03:43
  That's, I think, what I could give you the most through for anybody listening right now is community and village.
• 2:03:49
  Like, let's rebuild the village right now, and you can become part of a non-geologic, non-geographic village long enough to figure out how to respawn a village locally to you that might start with a single tomato plant in the back.
• 2:04:05
  So rebuild and just, you know, I'd be very moved to hear your stories within the Journey community to see how you ripple through there and how they ripple through you.
• 2:04:15
  You are not alone.
• 2:04:16
  Everything you've ever felt has been felt by a million, billion other humans.
• 2:04:21
  You're not having a singular experience.
• 2:04:22
  You're having a human experience and you're blessed to have it.
• 2:04:26
  It's a beautiful community.
• 2:04:27
  I'm part of it myself.
• 2:04:28
  And I've some of my greatest teachers.
• 2:04:30
  I mean, again, challenge me.
• 2:04:32
  Right.
• 2:04:33
  It's like you saw what you felt what.
• 2:04:35
  And then it just like it hits you.
• 2:04:37
  It literally changes who you are.
• 2:04:40
  Because you feel it.
• 2:04:41
  I don't know how to see it.
• 2:04:42
  Like, you can't explain it.
• 2:04:44
  Like, you have to feel it, right?
• 2:04:46
  It's nothing we can put into words.
• 2:04:48
  You've said this before.
• 2:04:49
  Everything that we say, we could have triggered you.
• 2:04:51
  It's the space between the words.
• 2:04:52
  There's something special about what we shared today that is information that is lifting up humanity.
• 2:05:01
  And that's why we do what we do.
• 2:05:03
  That's why you join communities like Journey.
• 2:05:05
  Journey.
• 2:05:05
  Yeah, Journey is a special place to learn and grow.
• 2:05:08
  There's a beautiful frequency there.
• 2:05:10
  And I've learned a lot from that community and made some great friends around the world that I can travel and hang out with in the homeschool of life that we're in.
• 2:05:20
  So, Dr. Zach Bush.
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  We did it.
• 2:05:23
  We got through it.
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  I love you, brother.
• 2:05:25
  Thanks for being here.
• 2:05:26
  So grateful to be with all of you in the audience as well.
• 2:05:28
  You guys are all very present with us today.
• 2:05:29
  Thank you.