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Why Full-Size Trucks Should Be Seriously Considered for Overlanding · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Scott Brady, and I'm here with my co host Matt.
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  Speaker 1: Scott and Matt, what are we going to talk about today?
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  Speaker 2: Why you should never buy a Toyota Ta Coma or
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  Speaker 2: alternative title, why full sized trucks or something you should
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  Speaker 2: seriously consider? I mean, I think the biggest problem that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Overlanders have is carrying too much crap.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the only reason that we say you shouldn't,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like technically, the technical reason as to why
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't is your over grossed vehicle weight rating on
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  Speaker 2: the on for whatever platform you've chose. And a lot
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  Speaker 2: of these small trucks, you know, you're talking sub thousand
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  Speaker 2: pounds for some, you're talking eleven hundred, twelve hundred, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Gladiator and Ranger, like they get better, they get better
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  Speaker 2: when properly configured sixteen seventeen hundred pounds, and.
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  Speaker 3: That really quickly goes.
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  Speaker 2: It does that that's not including people, that's not including
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that people need. Where you look at these
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  Speaker 2: full size trucks and you're like doubling, tripling, quadrupling.
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  Speaker 1: That you could put the compact pickup in the back
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  Speaker 1: of the full size.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that much payload.
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  Speaker 2: So if you are somebody who literally brings the kitchen sink,
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  Speaker 2: I guess everybody in America with with with trucks kind
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  Speaker 2: of has a thing. Like I'm a Ford guy. I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't know. I would say it's a Ram
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  Speaker 2: for me. Yeah, Like I'm a I'm a Ford guy,
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  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't buy a Ford. Right now, I think
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  Speaker 2: that the rams are fantastic for off road use. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they don't get the rear locker, but the coils and everything,
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  Speaker 2: they just they really seem like a big jeep, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: But and that makes sense because you've got the same
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  Speaker 1: company that designs jeeps, right, Yeah, so there's certainly some
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  Speaker 1: heritage that's there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's let's start off on I guess, why why.
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  Speaker 3: A full size?
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've already talked about payload, but let's also
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  Speaker 2: talk about how these things are built, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: full sized trucks are built for everything from a mind
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  Speaker 2: site to a construction site. Like they have to be
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  Speaker 2: able to put up with a guy that isn't treating
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  Speaker 2: this like an enthusiast vehicle. They're treating it like a
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  Speaker 2: piece of equipment. They're treating it like a piece of
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  Speaker 2: it's a commercial grade piece of equipment. Yeah, and they're
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  Speaker 2: just built pretty tough. Like let's think even jeeps, right,
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  Speaker 2: Jeeps are relatively durable. These days, you're still upgrading tyrods.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people are still upgrading axles to go
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  Speaker 2: to bigger tires, Like you know, going to forties on
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  Speaker 2: the Gladiator is now the big thing at a cost
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  Speaker 2: of twenty thousand dollars for Dinah Trek axles, where you're
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  Speaker 2: actually getting something stronger on a twenty five hundred that
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  Speaker 2: will fit forties with av fender flares out of the box.
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  Speaker 3: It will.
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  Speaker 1: And we're intentionally excluding like the fifteen hundred trucks. I
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  Speaker 1: think a four one fifty is a great vehicle. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a Dodge Ram fifteen hundred absolutely great vehicle, but they
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  Speaker 1: aren't that much different in payload from like a Gladiator
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  Speaker 1: or a Ranger. But then you have a much bigger vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: So we're really focusing on those three quarter ton one
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  Speaker 1: ton plus trucks that can be built to be super
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  Speaker 1: capable but then also carry four thousand, three thousand, five
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  Speaker 1: thousand pounds stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually capable of, you know, an actual conversion for
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  Speaker 2: exhibition use. I mean, I guess I've just I've mentioned
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  Speaker 2: it before, but I've seen so many people that build
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  Speaker 2: up tacomas. You know, a good buddy of mine just
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  Speaker 2: build up, built up a high lux you know, put
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  Speaker 2: a four wheel camper with a flatbed on it, and
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  Speaker 2: it like didn't move uphills because it has like eighty horsepower, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, replaced it with a tundra. And again to
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  Speaker 2: talk about that kind of I guess we're calling them
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  Speaker 2: half ton trucks, even though some of these things can
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  Speaker 2: tow thirteen thousand pounds. Now maybe that's a different podcast,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, a lot of these trucks share a cab,
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  Speaker 2: share a lot of components.
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  Speaker 3: The F one fifty and the F two to fifty
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  Speaker 3: have the same cab.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say, the RAM now has a different cab,
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  Speaker 2: but eventually it will have the fifteen hundred cab because
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  Speaker 2: it's just it's really nice.
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  Speaker 3: It's really really nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so fifteen hundred whatever we're going to call those things,
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  Speaker 2: we'll definitely chat about that later. But you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: these things are durable, They have a lot of storage
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  Speaker 2: when you're you're you're jumping from five foot maybe six
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  Speaker 2: foot beds on the you know, the quarter ton trucks. Again,
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  Speaker 2: these things are all these numbers mean nothing, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're jumping into a wider bed, you're jumping to a
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  Speaker 2: longer bed, you know, and that just gives you, i think,
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  Speaker 2: the flexibility of options.
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  Speaker 1: Or even doing a cab chassis which gives you totally
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  Speaker 1: totally flat rails. It allows you to fit custom camper
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  Speaker 1: units like from Nimble or earth Cruiser. And when we
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  Speaker 1: talk about reliability and durability, we take a lot into
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  Speaker 1: consideration around use. So durability is different from reliability. It's
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  Speaker 1: how long will this thing endure at full payload. So
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  Speaker 1: if you take a full sized truck and you put
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  Speaker 1: a camper on the back of it, particularly a thirty
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  Speaker 1: five hundred, you're so far under gross vehicle weight that
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  Speaker 1: the vehicles not being stressed, not at all. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: used to carrying cords of wood, right, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about not overdoing it. And that's the challenge
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of these small pickups is that by
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  Speaker 1: the time you get them done and you put people
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  Speaker 1: and food and water and the dog in it. You
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  Speaker 1: could be one thousand pounds over gross vehicle weight quite easily.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know we've used we always kind of
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  Speaker 2: use it to come I guess as the comparison, they're
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  Speaker 2: about a twelve hundred pound payload. Well then you put
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  Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and fifty pound bumper on the front,
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  Speaker 2: you put a winch on the front, bumpers, sliders, all
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that these vehicles don't come equipped with, and
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  Speaker 2: well you haven't even put your ten to your people
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  Speaker 2: in it, and you're you're pretty pretty much there. Also,
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  Speaker 2: I think fuel range is a big thing. You know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these diesel trucks get pretty darn good
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  Speaker 2: gas mileage. A lot of the you know quarter ton
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  Speaker 2: stuff that I've driven, even my Gladiator, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Gladiator varies wildly between you know, fifteen miles to the
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  Speaker 2: gallon and twenty miles to the gallon.
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  Speaker 3: But my F two fifty I.
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  Speaker 2: Had before this, and this was even this was the
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  Speaker 2: older generation F two fifty, I could get eighteen in
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  Speaker 2: that like all day long when yeah loaded up, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it just it really wasn't a wasn't an issue. And
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  Speaker 2: that thing had had a fifty gallon tank.
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  Speaker 1: I remember I had a long term test a Dodge Ran.
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  Speaker 1: I'm twenty five hundred with forties on it, so it
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  Speaker 1: was an AEV project vehicle and it had the diesel,
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  Speaker 1: and I just remember doing I was driving it back
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  Speaker 1: from Montana and I'm just cruising down the road. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to overdo it. I mean, it is a
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  Speaker 1: truck on forties, right, but I'm just cruising down the road.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember after the second or third fill up,
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  Speaker 1: which is that's all it took about to get back
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona. But I remember looking down at the gas mileage.
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  Speaker 1: I was getting almost eighteen miles of the gallon. I'm
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  Speaker 1: far in a truck with forty inch tire. That's incredible,
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  Speaker 1: like a seventeen point five seventeen point six.
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  Speaker 3: Average miles per gallon.
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  Speaker 1: Now this was mostly on the highway, but this is
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  Speaker 1: a huge vehicle with a proper bumper and Winch snorkel,
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  Speaker 1: forty inch tall tires, tons of ground clearance, and we're
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  Speaker 1: starting to see more and more of them on the
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  Speaker 1: trail because I think what's happened is the jeeps have
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  Speaker 1: gotten really big too, so that if you look at
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  Speaker 1: a at a gladiator that's one hundred and thirty something
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  Speaker 1: inch wheelbase. You can get regular cab full sized trucks
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  Speaker 1: that are around one hundred and thirty something into yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not that much wider.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the use of space is arguably much
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  Speaker 2: better on a full sized truck because you're you're pushing
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  Speaker 2: the cab all the way out, just just past the
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  Speaker 2: past the tires who are on the jeep. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you have these fall with axles that you know you're
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  Speaker 2: then space and the tires out and that you know,
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  Speaker 2: the the edge of the tire to the edge of
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  Speaker 2: the door can be twelve to eighteen inches. Sure, that's
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  Speaker 2: space that you know. I have to say in the jeep,
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  Speaker 2: I would I would love to have the capability that
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  Speaker 2: that vehicles offers with that use of space.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what's called a power way.
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  Speaker 1: That's right exactly, and I think you end up with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility in the full sized trucks. You
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  Speaker 1: can add additional fuel tanks. I mean that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the challenges. All of the smaller trucks except for except
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  Speaker 1: for the Chevy Bison, you can't get with a diesel,
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  Speaker 1: so you can't really add auxiliary fuel tanks because of
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  Speaker 1: EPA regulations, whereas these full sized trucks will have replacement
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  Speaker 1: main tanks, they'll have auxiliary tanks. You can end up
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  Speaker 1: with a thousand mile range easy on those vehicles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And the difference was that is they just allow it
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  Speaker 1: for diesel. It's a fuel that doesn't much stable.
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  Speaker 2: It's much more stable, so you can get replacement tanks,
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  Speaker 2: you can get transfer tanks, you can Titan makes this
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  Speaker 2: spare tire thing, I want to say, it's forty gallons
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  Speaker 2: that replaces your spare tire Perfectentimes that's a cavity that
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  Speaker 2: isn't used when you are building a large vehicle because
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  Speaker 2: you can't fit the you can't fit the you know,
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  Speaker 2: larger spare tire up underneath there.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing that I miss. I miss that fuel range. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's really helpful.
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  Speaker 2: I miss seeing a thousand miles of range out of
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  Speaker 2: a truck like that is that is just so cool.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as a as a guy that just built
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  Speaker 2: a gladiator that's a full sized stuff before, I kind
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  Speaker 2: of know that my next step will be a prospector. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because they're not actually that much bigger, and you're just
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  Speaker 2: getting you get a lot for your money.
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  Speaker 1: They're very affordable if you look at the In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I did that not that long ago, because the last
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  Speaker 1: of the manual transmission full sized trucks was ending with
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  Speaker 1: last year. I think it was like the twenty eighteen
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  Speaker 1: model was the last that you could get a Dodge
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  Speaker 1: Ram with a six speed manual. And I remember looking
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  Speaker 1: at that and fully specked out with a diesel and everything.
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  Speaker 1: I was just over fifty grand, and I'm thinking that's
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  Speaker 1: the price of a gladiator for a lot more truck.
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  Speaker 2: A lot more truck. And you know they're discounting gladiators
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  Speaker 2: now too. I think it's important to, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: to say that, you know, Toyota plays a totally different
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  Speaker 2: game with they're pricing than everybody else. Does you see
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  Speaker 2: a Toyota for a fifty thousand dollars sticker, you're probably
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  Speaker 2: paying fifty thousand dollars for it.
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  Speaker 3: You see a Ford truck.
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  Speaker 2: For fifty dollars, you might be able to get it
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  Speaker 2: for thirty five at some dealership. You know, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of that. There's a bit of the game which
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. As a millennial, I kind of kind
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  Speaker 2: of hate that. I just want to be like, this
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  Speaker 2: is my price, this is my price. The rest of
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  Speaker 2: the time you're literally you're just screwing me. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't like that about the experience of buying one of
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  Speaker 2: these things. But I want to say, it's like Dennis
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  Speaker 2: Dillon up in Idaho is who Mario Donovan and Adventure
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  Speaker 2: Trailers gets all of his trucks from, because they're just
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  Speaker 2: they specialize in people flying in buying them. They're out
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  Speaker 2: the door, and it's really easy, and they keep the
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  Speaker 2: volume up, they keep the volume and yeah, ten fifteen
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars off, isn't that unreasonable to see? That's cool,
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  Speaker 2: especially right now. They're also doing like zero percent for
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  Speaker 2: eight thousand years for.
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  Speaker 3: The rest of your life.
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  Speaker 2: You pay no interest, So I mean, there's your price
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  Speaker 2: savings right there.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a great deal.
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  Speaker 1: And when we think about overland travel international travel, which
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  Speaker 1: is something that Matt and I focus on, you can
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  Speaker 1: still fit a full sized truck in a container. You
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  Speaker 1: can fit it in the container with a four whole
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  Speaker 1: camper if it's a high top container, so it's you
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  Speaker 1: can still ship a vehicle around the world roll on,
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  Speaker 1: roll off, And we have to remember that even in
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  Speaker 1: the developing world, they still get goods and services throughout
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  Speaker 1: the country, and that may be done with a Mitsubishi Fuso,
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  Speaker 1: but a Fuso is still the size of a full
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  Speaker 1: size US truck, So their roads are going to still
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  Speaker 1: be serviced by these mid size or they call them
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  Speaker 1: like a mid range utility vehicle. So you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to get a full sized truck into most
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  Speaker 1: of the routes around the world. Think of mining vehicles
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  Speaker 1: and NGOs and all of that that are hauling goods
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  Speaker 1: and services. They're going to all be larger vehicles. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that a full size is that much
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  Speaker 1: of a restriction.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Where I do find the full size to be a
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  Speaker 1: consideration is either in the really big cities or in
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  Speaker 1: the small villages. So if you go into a colonial
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  Speaker 1: village in somewhere in Central America or South America, they
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  Speaker 1: were never designed for a vehicle that big, and you
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  Speaker 1: probably won't be able to fit down the streets. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to park that thing outside of town and
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  Speaker 1: walk or take a taxi or a tuck tuck or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. But you're not going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to take a full sized vehicle into the small village
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  Speaker 1: villages in the cities. You're gonna have to time it right,
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  Speaker 1: so goods and services come in late at night or
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  Speaker 1: early in the morning. That's when you can drive a
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  Speaker 1: full sized vehicle. If you're trying to navigate Lumba Tar
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  Speaker 1: traffic at five o'clock in the afternoon, you're gonna wish
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  Speaker 1: you were you were dead. I did it in the
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  Speaker 1: Suzuki chimney and wished I was dead. So you have
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  Speaker 1: to really be mindful of the size of the vehicle
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  Speaker 1: depending on where you're traveling with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, everything is getting bigger, I think these days,
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  Speaker 2: and that's definitely the thing that I dislike. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I I like smaller vehicles for traveling. I know that
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  Speaker 2: the Gladiator has those full with axles and stuff. But
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  Speaker 2: in the same way that I do complain about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the cab not being matched to those, it does just
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  Speaker 2: make it so much more maneuverable, and especially the trail
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  Speaker 2: lot smaller, especially on the trail. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think the biggest risk to a full sized truck
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  Speaker 2: for an overlain traveler. I mean, while they are durable,
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  Speaker 2: you know they they definitely there are I think they've
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  Speaker 2: gotten better, but there are reliability.
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  Speaker 3: Issues with these.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's use the Ford seven to three, which I
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  Speaker 2: want to the motor had been sold previously, but let's
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: talk about that ninety nine to three oh four generation
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  Speaker 2: really really sought after the generation just after that with
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  Speaker 2: the six leader, like you can't touch yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 2: you know, they had EGR issues, they had turbo issues issues,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things, and a lot of times to
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  Speaker 2: service some of the some of the components on all
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  Speaker 2: of these diesel engines, you you have to pull the
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  Speaker 2: cab off. So that's like what's always scared me about
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  Speaker 2: like an earth roamer, for example, because like earth roamers
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  Speaker 2: are very expensive, they're coming down in price on the
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  Speaker 2: used market to maybe where I could start to see
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  Speaker 2: value for myself on them. But man, what happens when
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  Speaker 2: like a rear main seal goes, which is a two
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  Speaker 2: dollars part, what happens to the truck? I I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, is that something that some guru mechanic
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  Speaker 2: can fix? But I've always been told that you have
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  Speaker 2: to take the entire cab off sure, and that is
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  Speaker 2: not something that somebody's going to know how to do.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, did Jack a stand right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Or wherever wherever you're at, And that brings up I mean,
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  Speaker 2: are they a global platform?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I get parts overnighted from my land Cruiser
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  Speaker 2: from Dubai and like two days for twelve dollars. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the parts are necessarily an issue. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's finding somebody that actually knows how to work
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  Speaker 2: on them. And unfortunately, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, they don't really
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  Speaker 2: sell these these platforms outside of North America. You're going
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  Speaker 2: to find them all throughout throughout you know, Mexico and
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  Speaker 2: Central America. Obviously, Canada a little bit in South America does,
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  Speaker 2: but a lot of those are made there, and they'll
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  Speaker 2: run a completely different power train. Like I remember when
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  Speaker 2: I was running Panama Passage just must have been ten
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  Speaker 2: years ago in Panama and Argentinian couple came through and
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  Speaker 2: you know, a super duty but it had like a
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  Speaker 2: two liter engine in it, and I'm like, wait, that
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  Speaker 2: cannot be fun. I mean, these things need a big
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  Speaker 2: motor and they're really fun when they have that big motor.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I think you kind of once you
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  Speaker 1: decide to bring an obscure vehicle around the world, you
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  Speaker 1: have to plan for the fact that you may have
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  Speaker 1: to not only fly the parts in, but you may
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  Speaker 1: have to fly the mechanic in to fix it potentially. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a consideration. If you've got a very modern
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  Speaker 1: vehicle that can't be self serviced or requires special tools
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  Speaker 1: or special training or even special instruments in order to
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  Speaker 1: do that service, You've kind of just got to from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning realize that I'm not driving a sprinter
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  Speaker 1: that is sold in almost every country. I'm driving a
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: vehicle that's primarily sold in Canada and the United States.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And if I am in the middle of Southeast Asia,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: or if I'm crossing Russia, it might be possible that
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I need to fly somebody in.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: With the parts to do the service.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, luckily, the parts for these things
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: aren't terribly expensed, No they're not. You know, they make
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: millions of them, so there's economies of scale there. But
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: you know, I think, you know, for people that are
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: listening to this podcast that you know, maybe they want
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: to do, you know, the pan American high Way or
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: they want to really explore the US and Canada. Perfect.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Perfect I mean like I love the new rams. You
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: can get like a sixty gallon fuel tank from the factory.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I love fuel range. It's just one
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: less thing to have to worry about.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: It takes a lot of stress out of it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, with these with these vehicles getting bigger
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: and bigger and bigger, it's just less that you have
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: to stop to try and find that little gas station.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And you've got to do some research yourself on the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: legalities of making changes to these modern diesels. But there
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: are kits available for some of these diesels. They are
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: called farm kits. They remove the catalytic converter, they remove
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the deaf system because they're designed to be used off
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the road only. Once you've left the United States, EPA
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: no longer applies, So do some research, understand the legalities
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of the countries that you're going into. But it is
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: possible to still use these modern diesels, yes, even with
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: factory parts.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: That's right. Has Ford sells the six.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Seven in the United States at one power rating, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: they sell it in Mexico at another power rating. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it doesn't require death. I haven't looked into that in
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: a few years. That was for my twenty sixteen. But
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I never really advocate for deleting emissions because it's like,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like a two undred and fifty thousand
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: dollars fine, and the environment is something that we should save.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely don't want to do it in the
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: United States, but there are provisions for some of this
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: for international travel. It's worth looking into if you're concerned
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: about taking one of these diesels internationally.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: And we also have things like the you know, the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Ford F two fifteen three fifteen now offer a seven
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to three gas engine really compact push rod V eight huge,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: should be super reliable. It's I mean, it's a big
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it's a replacement for their V ten. It's a big,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: just earth moving, earth moving, unstressed engine. You know that
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the six' four that's in the the. Rams they've been
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: making that motor. Forever, yeah those hemies are. Great you
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: don't have to have the. DIESEL i do think if
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you're staying In North, AMERICA i don't, know like having
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: nearly a thousand foot pounds of torque is, awesome kind
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: of magical, right it's really, great you, know and again
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of times these look at what you're. Doing you,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: KNOW i like big tires on my vehicles because My
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: greyhound doesn't like. Bumps and you, know if you're Again
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: i'm using The tacoma Or ranger or, anything you're going
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: to struggle to put thirty threes in those, vehicles and
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you're going to spend some money to do. It you
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: might be able to fit a thirty seven on a
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: lot of these new, TRUCKS i mean eighties putting forties on.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Them they are and they handle it just. Fine so
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: it's incredible how well they handle. It, Yeah and one
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of the THINGS i noticed the first TIME i tested
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: properly tested a full sized. Truck so this was this
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: was maybe eight years ago or, so AND i got
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: my hands on a power way AND i picked it,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: up And i'm driving out To, california AND i was
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: maybe a couple hours into the, drive AND i was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: realizing that this might be the most comfortable Vehicle i've
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: ever driven on the. Highway they're really nice because it
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: was it was reasonably, quiet but it was so roomy
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you just you felt like you were in a burke
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a lounger going.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: DOWN. Idn some really comfortables are really.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Luxurious you're getting massage seats and, really oh, no it sounds,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: terrible maybe Because i've never had a car with massaging,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: seats but, yeah but, yeah they're not.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Gonna till you've tried. It, YEAH i got.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: You but they're great grand touring. VEHICLES i mean for
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: something that for something that is meant to spend time,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: in that is what these vehicles.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Are these are mobile.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: OFFICES i, mean think of THE f one Fifty ford
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a few days prior to this podcast. RELEASED i want
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: to say the fourteenth generation of THE f one. Fifty
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: generally For, ford that leads the innovation and then that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: will trickle down into their super duty. Lineup but we're
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: talking like seats that turn into beds like first.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: CLASS i saw that that was.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Impressive the center console like folds forward to create a.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Desk.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yep you, know these vehicles are meant to spend time
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: in as an, office AND i think as an. Overlander
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: that's that's WHAT i miss about about having a full
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: sized vehicle as there's like twelve cup. Holders there's there's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a cup holder, Everywhere like if you think about, it
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it will literally. Appear there's places to put everything, imaginable
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and they're they're, spacious they're, nice and.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: They probably receive a lot of thoughtful engineering dollars behind
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: them because they're such that they're so important to these,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: brands These North american. Brands SO i think it seems
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: like they really take the time to engineer them. Though,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: well a question for, You, Matt so you owned a
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: full Size. Forward what did you like about? It what
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: were the modifications that you did do? It you, know
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: how did it work for? YOU i regret selling.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: It SO i had a out of two thy sixteen
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: f two point fifty with the diesel that was the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: last of that body style that had been around since
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the late. Nineties you, KNOW i put it on thirty.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: SEVENS i did like a four and a half inch icon.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Lift you, know four and a half inches is a
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: lot for, Me BUT i think it's all relative to
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the size of the. Vehicle you, know A tacoma on
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: two inches is probably like the size, truck, RIGHT i,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: mean you, know think you got to think. SIZE i
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: did thirty. SEVENS i did A titan tank on, it
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: WHICH i want to say was like fifty seven. Gallons
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: don't hold me to, that but it. Was it was
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of. Stuff did a lightner, rack did a
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: rhino rack on the. Cab it was, great you. Know
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: it was The King ranch. MODEL i bought it from
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: a dealership In phoenix in the. SUMMER i THINK i
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: paid fifty four out the door and it had a
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: sixty six sticker on. It, now granted that was the last,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: year but now these deals are. Commonplace you. KNOW i
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: really liked. It the THINGS i didn't like about. It
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it was a bit cumbersome to, drive but that was
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the old body. Style i've driven a lot of the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: newer stuff and they're definitely. Better you, know get used
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to turning that wheel multiple. Times you, know they're not
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: like this, small easily maneuverable, car but they can be
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: very capable off. Road they can be very fast because
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: they definitely do not lack.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: POWER i like. IT i, mean did you take it
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: on the trail?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Much i've never really described myself as a, wheeler you,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: know SO i didn't do any like obstacle major technical
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: stuff with.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: It you.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Know we had it down In baja a few. Times
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: we had it In, sonora we had it in the.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Dunes you, KNOW i chased The rebel rally with, it
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: so that entire course we did and how did it
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: do with that down a set of tires For but
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: it was. AWESOME i mean we could carry everything and
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: then be like airborne and doing one hundred mile an
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: hour down these. Roads and you know some of that
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: stuff was kind of close, course and there's no speed
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: limits In nevada on, dirt so they, say.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: But it would just just. Went it just. Worked you.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Know my thing for full size is if it, fits
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: it gets, like if you can fit the vehicle.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Through, it it's gonna. GO i always say.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: That you, know lockers on full sized trucks are, helpful
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: but if you're in a situation where you're LIKE i
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: need lockers for this vehicle to do the THINGS i,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: do maybe it's the wrong.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Vehicle maybe it's the wrong. VEHICLE i, mean although it
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: was interesting a couple of years.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Take, yeah a couple years, AGO i was In moab
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: For Easter jeep.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And full Size invasion does that every?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Year, Yeah And Dave hareton had he had brought down
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: his single you, know regular, cab you, know no no
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: extended kept just a single cab thirty five hundred with
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a tray back on forty one inch tall TIRES i
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: think maybe a little bit bigger than maybe forty. Two's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and he had front and rear lockers for, it really
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: good ground, clearance AND i think he even disconnected the sway.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Bar but he was REALLY i, mean and he has
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time driving the trails In moab and.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It he took it everywhere he wanted it to. Go
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the only thing he said that was a little creepy
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: with it was like the tech the sketchy technical descents
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: because it was so lightly loaded in the. REAR i
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: could see that he was having the rear end pop
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: up on him pretty. Aggressively but other than, that he
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: took that truck everywhere that they were, taking the same the,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: jeeps the. Jks, yeah AND i think a lot of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that is because you can fit a forty one inch.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Tigher, yeah you, know a lot of.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Flexibility they're, big but they're not that much bigger than
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff these. Days AND i, mean, obviously
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Like dave really really knows this. Stuff he's a phenomenally talented.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Drive he's a good, drunk he KNOWS i, mean he's
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: like The Enzo ferrari of, overlanding like he knows how
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: to build stuff really really.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah you, know BUT i don't.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: KNOW i, MEAN i GUESS i still don't think that they're, like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: like if technical for real driving is your.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Thing it should be a different. Vehicle. Yeah.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: PROBABLY i, mean you, know there's a difference between the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: springs of My gladiator that made to flex over the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: boulder and the springs on the full sized truck that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: are meant to carry the.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Boulder. Yeah.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Right you, know you're going to get to a point
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: where if you're chasing off road, CAPABILITY i don't. KNOW i,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Know i'm going to get a million people are, like, oh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: WELL i take my truck down. This i'm, like, yeah that's.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Great but you, know they have different, purposes AND i
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: think that from a travel, PERSPECTIVE i think the full
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: size has a lot of merit and and there's a
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: couple notable models that are available, now The tremor package
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: on The Forward Super. Duty what do you think of that?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: THING i really like.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It and the thing THAT i like most is you
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: can go and you can choose your you can go
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and build your vehicle and then you can put The tremor,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: package AND i want to say anything so if you
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: want A limited or A platinum with massaging seats and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: these trucks do these, days you can just have that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: on top of. It with the diesel rear locking. DIFFERENTIAL
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: i want to. Say it has a torson style. Front
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: torson style, front really similar to The raptor THAT i,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: had and, honestly like modern vehicles don't really lack. TRACTION
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: i think they're really. Cool love the idea of the,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: diesel love the idea of the you, know of that
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: built in. Winch it might be an, option but it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: definitely on That tremor. PACKAGE i, mean if you're talking
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: out of the Box overlander in The United states right,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: now it comes with a thirty three or thirty Five inchelty,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: tire thirty five appropriate spring rates that you can choose
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: based on your, packaging as opposed to the power wagging
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: which only comes in with THAT hemi gas, motor which
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: is a good motor and you, know only has one.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Payloader SO i think the ford is is pretty. NICE
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: i mean A tremor package with a four wheel camper
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: drive it around the world. Tomorrow, yeah it's pretty pretty,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: dialed ready to. Go and the fact that you could
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: do this seven to three gas motor if you. Wanted
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: so that's that's pretty interesting that and that's the same
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: way that the The bison. Packages you can kind of you,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: know figure out YOUR zr two and then add The. Bison,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: yeah so that's pretty. CLEVER i think that that's nice
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to see that as an. Option that way you can
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: end up getting the truck that you really. WANT i
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: think for the.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Guys that, are.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: You, know more, wheelers they want to do more technical.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: STUFF i think that the power wagon is really just
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: it's A RUBICON xl in a lot of.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: WAYS i, mean you get one.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Of those on a lift underneath and it's it's a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: five length that looks nearly identical to what's on on A.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Wrangler it's as wavebar disconnects.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Everything, YEAH i mean for technical.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Stuff as an all around, TRUCK i do have to,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: say after owning A gladiator for a, year DO i
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: almost regret THAT i didn't get a Power?
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Wagon? Maybe, yeah. Definitely.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe you, know if there was a power wagon in,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: DIESEL i WOULD i, would, Right that's WHAT i would be, driving,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Right but then you also get like the you, know
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the cool thing with THE ram is that their payload
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: capacity is just. Insane and you, know on the twenty five,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: HUNDRED i want to, say it's twenty thousand pounds of towing,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: NOW i mean IT'S i, know it's it's over thirty
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: on the thirty five hundred when, EQUIPPED i, mean you
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: need A cdl for. That basically in the same way
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that we won the horsepower, game we won the towing.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Game, sure you.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Know so the twenty five HUNDRED i really likes it
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: still has that coil.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: REAR i think that's such a compelling.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Option you, know A ram twenty five hundred with the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: coil sprung rear end regular.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: CAB i, mean that would probably be the vehicle THAT
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: i would.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Build it'd be a regular cab twenty five, hundred flatbed on,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it four wheel, camper forty one inch tall tires al.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: They made so nice, inside you, KNOW i, WAS i
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: was sitting on the rubicom With Jim, morrison who's now
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: THE ceo Of, jeep used to be THE ceo OF.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Ram in my, opinion when they really turned, AROUND i
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: think for their older models were kind of, okay, yea
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: they were, okay, like you close the tailgate and you,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: know you could hear you could hear the metal move
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't very. Nice but you, know and this is,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: paraphrasing but essentially they made the. Gamble they heard That
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: ford And chevy were going to increase the amount of
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: money that they were spending on the interiors of these.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Trucks so he went and basically, said, okay we're doubling.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Down and this is general, paraphrasing don't quote. Me So
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: ram ended up putting a lot of money into their
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: interiors when everyone else pulled. Back so now these manufacturers
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: are really just playing catch. UP i, Mean i've never
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: seen a better interior and a pickup truck THAN i
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: have inside of A. RAM i do think The ford
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: drive train is maybe a little bit. Better they have
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: that available ten speed, transmission which is just you're always
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: in the power. Band, sure BUT i would DO i
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: would do a twenty five. HUNDRED i think you're, right
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: they're so compelling and in one thousand foot pounds of
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: torque in these. Things now in the thirty five, hundred's, yeah,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: YEAH i can't even. IMAGINE i, mean the next big
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: step will be you, know turning these things into. Locomotives
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: they'll be diesel, electric BUT i can't wait for them
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: to just go. Electric i'm really interested in the cyber.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: TRUCK i have a pre order for one in if
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: you Follow Elon musk On. Twitter he's an interesting. Cat and,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: somebody it was EITHER i want to say it Was,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: tesla put out a rendering of a cyber truck with
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: this tent in the. Back, yeah and you, know he, Responded,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: yeah this is actually going to be a. Thing we're
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: going to make a camper option out of, these so
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: you'll be able to you'll be able to have air, conditioning,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: heating you won't need to do a battery. System they're
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: going to put solar panels on top of that little retractable.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Sir that'll ADD i want to say ten to fifteen
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: miles of range a, day which isn't a, lot but for,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: us if you're on slow speed technical, trails you're not
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: using that much energy. Anyways there's no wind, resistance there's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: no rolling. Resistance. YEAH i can't wait for that cyber.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: TRUCK i, mean, well and with it being is kind
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of slab sided and, everything, yeah it. IS i think
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it's going to lend itself to some pretty interesting. Concept
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it's just.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: KOOKY i mean it has over five hundred miles of
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: range and accelerates as fast as a met engine. Corvette
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: like it kind of makes everybody else be, like what.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Do we do? Next? Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Exactly so what would be your if you were to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: if you were to build any full sized truck right
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: now you? Today, yeah and no no, budget no, limit,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: whatever what would you?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Build i'd just go buy an Earth. Roamer.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah but IF i was to build, SOMETHING i don't,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: KNOW i, mean it would definitely be A ram twenty five,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: hundred no contest right now for. ME i mean that
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: The tremor is really nice AND i like that, stuff
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: BUT i The. Rams and would it be the power
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: wagon or, no it would be a twenty five hundred,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Honestly LIKE i you, know everybody loves to, say.
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  Speaker 3: OH i need, Lockers Oh, GOD i have to have. Lockers,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: yeah well you could still put lockers. In. YEAH i
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: can put lockers in it IF i want. IT i
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: MEAN i would do.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: THAT i would probably do a four wheel camper or
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: or similar in the. BACK i MEAN i like the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: four wheel camper, stuff And i'd send it TO. AV i, mean,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Honestly i'd just buy a. Prospector, like if you have
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the money and you don't have the, time just, yeah
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: get it delivered that, way send your check TO av
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: and be.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Done that's that's my. Thing you. KNOW i like the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: four wheel camper. Stuff it's just.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Simple you can take them out really, easily, right you,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: know they're not very, pretentious WHICH i THINK i like.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: That, well what about? YOU i think it would be.
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  Speaker 1: SIMILAR i was totally smitten By dave's twenty five hundred
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  Speaker 1: and we drove a bunch of.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Those prospectors up to tuk Tuk.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Tek, yeah and we took it on the ice roads
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  Speaker 1: and SO i just HAD i had days and days
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of time in those and then we had a prospector
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: for a couple. Months and it's also really important to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: note THAT aev is not sponsoring this. Podcast we just
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: happened to. Be we just happened to be huge fans
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of what they. DO i HAVE av stuff on order
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: for my gladiator at full.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Price like.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: That we just happened to really like the products that they.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Make BUT i think it would be the twenty five
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: hundred with the coil. SPRINGS i would put at least
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a locker in the, rear probably would put one in
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the front at the same, time just because while you're doing.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: It BUT i would go with the full av. SUSPENSION
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: i really liked their front bumper a. LOT i like
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the modularity of. IT i like the strength of the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: recovery points and how the winch mounts to it as.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Well and then you know the wide the wide, fenders
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: SO i could get the forty inch tall tires on.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: There at FIRST i, THOUGHT i don't know IF i
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: would want, forties but once you drive a full size on,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: forties then you can take. It they're just bigger, balloons,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: yeah you. Know and it's they're really comfortable on the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: trail when you air, down AND i. WAS i did
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of the local trails with, it including our test,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: track and it it had no. Trouble it was it
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was flawless through that. Terrain so it and the reason
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: WHY i like the bigger tires on the full sized
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: trucks is these are heavy, vehicles so you need a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: lot of floatation if you get into soft. Surfaces so
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: if you get into mud or you get into snow or,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: sand that additional footprint that floatation is really. Critical so
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: it may be, like, ah why WOULD i need forties
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: or thirty seven's on a truck like, That, well you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: really start to you're getting if you're getting into anything,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Soft so there's definitely a reason to have.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: That but that would be my.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Setup, flatbed put a four whel camper on the, back
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: can off you, go.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: So you can use it. That they fulfill so many different.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Purposes like My, gladiator for, example is now a very niche.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Vehicle you, know there's no you, know truckbed campers for you,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: know like slide in style sappers for those things because
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: of the way that the CAB's quite tall in relation
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to the. Bed and then you, know you start putting
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: big tires and stuff on, them and you end up
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: with you, know basically at capacity where everything that we're
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: talking about, doing you you still have the capacity of.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: The gladiator totally fully on top of it and you
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: can toe with.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: It. YEAH i think they're pretty versatile and they're actually reasonably.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Priced if you, now any new vehicle is, expensive but
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: if you compare it within the world of new, vehicles
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: what you're getting for the quality the drive train that you're,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: getting the fact that you. Can you can spec out
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a twenty five HUNDRED ram for under sixty grand with
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: fool drive and diesel and everything.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Else that's Six if you're paying sixty for, that you're
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: getting leather and you're getting a lot of. Options, yeah they're,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: really they're, REALLY i think a great value, Personally.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah for what you're.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: GETTING i, mean it's it's a highly competitive. Segment it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: arguably Like american pickup trucks are arguably the most competitive
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: segment in the automotive.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Industry in the.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: World.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right they thrive on.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Innovation there's multiple parties that are you, know you obviously
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: you have the big, three and then you know there
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: are things like The nissan kind of came in as
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: trying to be in BETWEEN x kind of an in between.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Truck so let's talk a little bit about the. Aftermarket,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: obviously we've GOT arb makes a bunch of stuff for full.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Size now that's new for.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: THEM i HAD i had one of their modular bumpers
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: on MY f two fifty and it was it was. Fantastic,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: aesthetically it looks. GOOD i think it did look. Good
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: it was really. Nice it performed. WELL i GUESS i
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: didn't really like hit that many things with, it but
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: it looked like you could run it into a mountain
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: in the mountain would. LOSE i really liked THE arb
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: actually over THE aev just because of animal strike. Protection
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: they they had that traditional grill for the front. End
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: at the, TIME i was living outside Of Tell, Yourride,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: colorado and there was, elk and there was, deer and
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: there was things that were in the, road AND i
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: really valued.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That warren has a lot of great bumpers and. Options
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: ALTHOUGH i think THE A, v the newest version of
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the A E v they DO i have now has
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the full FULL i forgot about. THAT i. Forgot you're
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: right when you would have bought it at that time,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: frame it wouldn't have had.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: It, yeah, Yeah warren does DOES a does a full
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: series of bumpers, too which which are you, Know i've
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: never had anything bad From.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: WARREN i MEAN i Put warren witches on.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Like everything everything like because it's just one less thing
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to think. About and as far as guys that are
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: that are really building these you know you'll hear us
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: talk about At Overland Full. Discosure we are friends with these,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: guys BUT i don't think there's another shop that knows
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: building you, know full size specifically The. RAMS i, Mean
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: mario has, ourself like you, know they really know these.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Vehicles you, know they do four wheel, campers they do
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a bunch of custom.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Stuff they're they're really specializing in maximizing the performance and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the around the world suitability of a full size and
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: then there's a bunch of well there's of course the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Earth roamers of the, world but then between that there
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: are camper modules that can be. Fitted so like Earth
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: cruiser makes an EX, d so you've Got nimble And
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: nimble came FROM xp camper and has seen a lot of.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Improvements, yeah those are like the XP's ON xp campers
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Or nimble campers now on a full size. Truck that's.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It that's a great. OPTION i really travel with some
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: people on those and and they love. THEM i would
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: say they're a step above a four wheel camper in
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: terms of price and and.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Features you, know you're you're looking at more hard sided.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Sure or you, know kind of almost agami style, things
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit more modern design, Maybe but and then
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: of course four wheel, campers which you see them.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Everywhere, YEAH i.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Mean you, know that's peanut butter and jelly for An american,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: truck and then you have all the wedge, CAMPERS i,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: mean like go fast. CAMPERS i think the one of
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: note is the fifty ten camper By Goose. Gear brian
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: earlier has a what do you call The all of
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: these manufacturers keep changing the, things like it used to
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: be crew cab and then it was like super.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: CAB i don't.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Know he has the one that had cab but has
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: an actual door and then a smaller. Door, yeah so
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: it's like an extended extended. Cab, yes we'll call it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: That he has one of those with the fifty ten
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: camper and it's all built out. Inside it looks really,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: GOOD i have to say, esthetically other than maybe the front,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: bumper that's one of the best looking full Sizes i've.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Seen, yeah and we'll post a picture of that in
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the show. Notes it's flexed out at it and, Yeah chris.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Took all those.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: PHOTOS i, remember like it was at the end of
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: over An Xpo east last year two thoy nineteen because
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: we won't have shows for a long time And i'm
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: watching this truck like flex through this stuff AND i
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: want to say he you, know he has icon suspension
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: or something on.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: It it's really. Good it was. Impressive it Gets, yeah
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: BUT i don't. KNOW i, MEAN i guess we'll kind
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: of leave it at.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That you, know full sized trucks are definitely SOMETHING i
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: think more people should consider as smaller cars kind of.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Bloat the size difference between them is less than you'd.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Think, yeah the difference in size between A gladiator and
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: A ram twenty five hundred is not that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: MUCH i Remember Chris.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Cordez had His excursion park next to My, gladiator AND
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: i want to, say My gladiator was, longer longer wheelbase for.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Sure longer wheelbase for. SURE i, MEAN i remember when
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that was just a massive, vehicle and Now i'm, like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: OH i like My.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Claudier it's so. Small.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: YEAH i think that, they you, know particularly for people
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: that maybe are getting to the end of the road
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: as far as Their, Tacoma colorado whatever. GOES i think
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: it's kind of, inevitable but that that full size kind
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of becomes the future in THE.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Us it will for those that pack, heavy for those
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that want a lot of features that for those that
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: want a. Camper if you if you go with a simple,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: roof tint or you're a backpacker and you're able to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: just throw a ground ten in the, back then these
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: small vehicles are still great because you gain a lot
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: of advantage with, that a lot of. Performance but if
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you want to put everything and the kitchen, sink then
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: maybe consider a full size next. Time, yeah we'll take care.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Guys thank you all for. Listening thanks for. Listening we'll
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: talk to you next.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Time