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S2E2 - 'The Awakening Conscience' · Dished at Birth

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Dani: You're gonna be so covered in fur, dude.
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I'm sorry.
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Kara: It's fine.
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Yeah, I think these jeans are too slippery for her, but that's okay.
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She's, she has one leg dangling and her head resting below my knee.
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We'll put her on our story for you guys.
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Weekly Lenny.
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Dani: Lenny on the pod.
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Kara: Lenny's always on the pod.
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Dani: Yeah, since we don't wanna put our faces on there, we'll put hers.
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Kara: Exactly.
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Dani: It's fine.
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She's fine with that.
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Kara: Mm-hmm.
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Dani: Maybe I'll start posting you on there, but treat you like a baby on social
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media and put an emoji over your face.
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Kara: Just cover my face.
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Dani: What emoji would you want?
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Kara: Ooh, I'll take anything, honestly.
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Dani: No, like what speaks to your spirit?
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Kara: For some reason, the first one that came up is an octopus.
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Dani: Okay.
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Kara: It, it's a good shape.
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It'll, it'll cover my face.
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Yeah.
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I don't know why octopus.
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What else?
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Dani: Thinking of Bay and her sea creatures maybe.
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Kara: Mm, that could be.
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Subliminal.
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Dani: Mine would be a star.
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Kara: Oh, that's pr-
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Dani: Like the star emoji.
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Kara: Just a big star.
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Yeah, that's great.
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Yeah, on… Well, what if it was just something extremely random?
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Um.
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Dani: Piano.
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Kara: Yeah.
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I wouldn't say I'm a musical person, but a piano is quite random.
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Dani: Yeah.
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I just feel like these parents that are posting their babies and
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toddlers insisting on putting emojis on their face, get more creative
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with the emoji you're gonna pick.
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Kara: Did we talk last week about the trend of hearing parents of deaf children
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posting their kids on social media?
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Dani: So we didn't, but we've spoken at length about it in our DMs to
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each other, and I just yesterday saw a video from a Deaf creator-
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Kara: Yes.
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Dani: Being like, "Hey, why the fuck are we doing this?"
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Kara: Yes.
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Yeah, what I've been seeing and what you have also been seeing on, like, your For
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You page or something, is these hearing parents of deaf children, primarily
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boys, who are reprimanding them, full faces and government names online.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: Fully reprimanding them for whatever they're doing.
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Dani: That just feels extremely inappropriate to
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be posting on the internet.
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Kara: Yes, extremely inappropriate.
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I hate it, and I think it, the, the way she's talking to him is not appropriate.
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Dani: Also because she's simcomming.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Dani: Like, it's giving Switched at Birth in real life.
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Kara: Yeah.
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' Dani: Cause specifically that woman-
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Kara: It makes me wonder if he's not understanding everything she's
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saying because she is simcomming.
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Dani: Yeah.
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There feels like there's a communication breakdown for sure.
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Kara: And I also hate that I'm seeing this.
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Why-
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Dani: Yeah, this is private, and I feel like there's a lot of
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people in the comments, hearing people, being like, "You go, Mama."
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Kara: "You go, mama."
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Dani: "You're doing such a good job."
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Kara: Like- End the cycle.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: Break the cycle.
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Dani: And, like, it… Yeah, it just sort of feels like- They're getting
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their flowers for, like, crumbs, and exploiting their children.
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Kara: For, like, raising their voice at their eight-year-old son.
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It's crazy.
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And then there's another creator whose name I don't remember.
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Dani: Yeah, we're not-
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Kara: But their son-
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Dani: -gonna use names in these 'cause I don't wanna get into
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beef on the internet either.
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Kara: No, neither do I. But it's another hearing mother of a deaf
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son, and this deaf son, I believe, also has an intellectual disability.
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Dani: Mm-hmm.
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Kara: So that's added on top of it, and she reprimands him on camera for
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not behaving appropriately in school.
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She doesn't say what, but he… This is, because he has an intellectual
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disability, she needs to repeat the same thing over and over, and then also
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reprimand him for his bad behavior, whatever that behavior was at school.
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But it's several videos in a row of her doing this, and being
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like, "Were you good today?"
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And then saying, like, "You don't get your PlayStation today 'cause the
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teacher told me you weren't behaving well." Why do I need to know that?
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Dani: There is something, like, sickening to me.
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Kara: I don't- It hurts my stomach.
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Dani: It, yeah, it gives me, like, a pit in my stomach.
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It is just so inappropriate to record and then share that with the internet.
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Kara: Yes.
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Dani: I just, like, don't understand as a parent, I mean, I'm not a parent, but,
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like, I can't understand why you as a parent would have any desire to do that.
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Kara: Right.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I wanna be a parent one day, and I don't ever plan on doing that.
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I was telling my wife this, I was like, "If we ever post a child,
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it's gonna be, like, a tasteful photo of, like, just the hand."
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Or, like, I'm pu-
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Dani: You're gonna do, like, the hand holding the finger birth announcement?
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Kara: Literally.
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Or, like, I'm pushing them on the swing and you only see the back of their head.
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Dani: Okay, influencer vibes.
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No, I love it.
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Kara: But obviously it's private and it's only for me and my family, but.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: I hope you guys aren't posting your children online for content.
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Dani: It's mostly creeps on there, guys, and also just, like,
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embarrassing when they grow up.
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Kara: And AI is, like, stealing their faces.
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Dani: Oh my God, and AI is stealing their faces, and
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probably our voices, by the way.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Dani: I'm really worried about that.
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This is an, an in-audio moment to say we do not consent-
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Kara: No, we do not.
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Dani: For training AI or AI using our voices in any capacity, which I also put
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in the show notes of all the episodes, but who knows if that matters for shit.
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Kara: Can we talk about John Green?
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Dani: Oh, my God, that's what we have to talk about.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Dani: It's fine, guys.
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Some longer episodes.
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We were gone for so long.
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Kara: A whole week.
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Dani: N- no, before that.
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Kara: I know.
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Dani: Several months.
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Kara: I know.
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We saw John Green at Kings Theatre in Brooklyn literally
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after we recorded last week.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: And I asked for interpreters.
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It was such a pain in the ass to get interpreters for this venue.
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It's a wonderful, beautiful, old venue that they recently restored,
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but they have three separate emails and none of them work, and one was,
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like, accessibility@kingstheatre.com or something.
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Did not work.
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'Cause I was like, "Okay, surely that's the one to ask for
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interpreters," and then they were like, "That email's dead." Great.
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Okay.
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And then there was, like, a box office one.
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That also didn't work, and I was like, "Okay. Well, this event's quickly
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coming up." So I had to contact ATG, which is I guess the company-
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Dani: The ticketing provider
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Kara: the ticketing provider, and then they had to reach out to Kings Theatre.
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Dani: Which I guess they might own the venue.
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I don't know.
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Kara: That's what I think.
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Dani: A lot of ticketing providers do own venues now.
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Kara: Right.
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So I was like-
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Dani: Monopoly.
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Evil.
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Kara: Right.
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So I was like, "Okay, sure, I'll contact the private equity firm that owns Kings
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Theatre," whatever, and that worked out.
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And then I'm sure they reached out to three other people in the chain of
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command, and then they got interpreters.
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Dani: Yeah, the private equity firm found you the most handsome
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interpreter in the world.
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Kara: Yeah.
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But they seated us in a weird location.
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It was, like, in front of the stairs.
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Dani: Yeah, it was like they moved us, like, three rows back from the front.
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Kara: Yes, but all the way-
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Dani: So there were still people… All the way to the left.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Dani: So there were still people in front of us kind of blocking
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your view of the interpreters.
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Kara: Yes.
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Dani: And those people's view was being blocked by the interpreters.
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Like, it made no sense where they put us.
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It, and so where we were seated, we thought, "Oh, perhaps there are other
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deaf or hard of hearing people here."
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Kara: No, just me.
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Dani: Because it was like, well, if we're in row two, certainly
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we would've been in row one.
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Kara: No.
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No.
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Dani: No.
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Kara: It was strange.
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And then the interpreters arrive.
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The sh- this event started late.
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I think King's Theatre had a lot of trouble getting people in on time.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: There was a really long line.
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Dani: Guys, I've never seen that many white girls with my exact
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bangs and tote bags in Brooklyn.
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It looked threatening, frankly.
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Kara: The residents of Flatbush were terrified.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: Anyway, the interpreters arrive, and usually what happens when you hire
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interpreters for an event is you're like, usually they're like, "Hmm, where's the
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deaf person that I got hired for to give access to?" And they kind of look around.
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But the two of them are talking to each other.
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One's a woman, and one's an extremely hot man, and they're
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just talking to each other.
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And I had to be like, "Hey. Hey, hey, guys. Hi."
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Dani: It was truly, we felt like we were intruding on their exchange.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Dani: They were having a heated exchange.
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Kara: Usually what I do is we introduce ourselves.
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We're like, "What's up? How's life?" And then also, we talk about where
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they're gonna stand and what's the be- what will be the best view for me.
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Dani: Yeah, usually they have a moment of, like, advocating for you, being
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like, "Can you see me when I'm standing here? Would you like me to move you
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somewhere else?" Like, they're very-
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Kara: None of that happened.
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Dani: Typically very good.
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Like, we kind of assumed they would come and say, "Hey, we noticed that
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you're in the second row, blocked by all these people in front of you."
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Kara: That's what I was hoping, they would move us.
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Dani: "Do you want me to ask people to switch with you or, like, move
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you to the empty seats at the very front and then stand over there?"
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Kara: Right, those seats never got filled.
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Dani: Mm-hmm, and none of that happened.
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Kara: No.
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Dani: And I cannot emphasize to you enough how handsome this man was.
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Kara: Yes.
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Dani: How, like, conventionally handsome he was in a way where we were like, "What
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is this guy doing here? There's no way."
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Kara: But I have really bad news in that his signing wasn't that great.
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Dani: I know.
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Yeah, like two-thirds of the way in, I texted you quietly 'cause I didn't… The
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thing about interpreters is you can't sign to talk shit in front of them, about them.
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So I texted you to be like, "Am I crazy, or does he suck at his job?"
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Kara: It feels, he looks like he was 23, and it was, it was his first gig.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: He, he was quite young.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: And the other interpreter, usually there's two interpreters
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for events, and they switch off, but the other one was great.
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Dani: Yeah, she was fantastic.
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Kara: And he was-
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Dani: And he was there.
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Kara: And he was there.
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Dani: And he was so handsome.
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Kara: And everyone in the theatre agreed.
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Dani: And everyone agreed he was pretty because after the show, he got swarmed.
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By girls being like, "I've always wanted to learn sign language. Can I get your
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information to ask you some questions?"
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Kara: "Can I get your Instagram?"
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Dani: Honestly, genius play.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Dani: I hope some good comes of it.
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Kara: Yeah, if he doesn't already have a girlfriend.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Oh, I meant for them.
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Maybe they do learn sign language.
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Kara: Oh, God, I hope so.
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Dani: Not from him, hopefully.
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Kara: No.
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Dani: Learn from Deaf people, and also just, like, people that are good, but.
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Kara: It was so funny.
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The second the lights go back up in the theater, five girls
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immediately run up- And they,
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Dani: phones out.
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Kara: Phones out.
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Dani: They were ready.
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Kara: In front of him, being like, "Can I get your Instagram?"
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Dani: So we didn't even say bye to him or anything.
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Usually there's, like, a, a debrief after with the interpreters, like,
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a thank you so much, chat it up.
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Kara: No, I was like, if I sit and wait for him, it's gonna take me all night,
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so I was like, I, I'm gonna leave.
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Dani: And I didn't wanna talk to him.
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I was too shy.
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He was too handsome.
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Kara: Sure.
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Yeah, I was like, whatever.
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Bye.
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I said goodbye to the woman.
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She, she was, like, on the phone.
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Dani: Yeah, she was on the phone.
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She was already… She was- She was- She had clocked out.
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Kara: She clocked out the second the lights went up, so I was like, all right.
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Well.
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Dani: Also, remember at the beginning of the show, they were like, "A light
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will come down," and then the lights went off and then this interpreter was
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just signing in the complete darkness for, like, the first two minutes.
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Kara: Pitch black.
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Dani: Pitch black.
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Kara: The light was only on John Green-
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Dani: It was so-
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… Kara: introducing himself.
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Dani: It was so funny.
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Luckily, the applause went on for so long that you really only missed him coming
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out and saying, "Hello, Brooklyn," and then it just was clapping for, like…
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But it was really funny.
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Kara: It was so strange because we were all the way the left, and John
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Green came in all the way the right.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: The complete opposite side of the stage.
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And he was quite hard to hear.
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Dani: The sound system was not on its A game that evening.
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Kara: No.
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Dani: But it was a lovely event.
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I had a lot of fun.
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Kara: I had a good time.
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I enjoyed the event.
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I finished the book very quickly.
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I just finished it.
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Dani: I haven't opened it.
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Kara: Yeah.
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I enjoyed it.
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Dani: Okay.
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Should we get to the show?
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Kara: Let's get to the show.
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Season two, episode two, The Awakening Conscience, which
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aired January 14th, 2013.
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And you probably didn't see the painting.
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Dani: I did not see the painting, but I'm gonna guess that the title is
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because Bay is realizing that other people exist for the first time ever.
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Kara: And Daphne-
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Dani: And Daphne a little bit.
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The thing actually is I was r- I was getting really sick of Daphne's whole
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arc this episode, because I do feel like we already did this in season one.
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Kara: Me too.
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Dani: Like, she already had this awakening.
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I feel like every season they have to be like, "Okay, bring Daphne
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back to East Riverside. Let her remember that poor people exist
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and that she used to be poor."
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Kara: Agreed.
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The painting is actually very beautiful, if you guys go look it up.
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It's an 1853 oil painting by William Holman Hunt.
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I think it's at the Tate or the British Museum, one of the-
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one of the museums in London.
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But it's a man and a woman, and the woman is his mistress, and she
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is, like, getting up from sitting on his lap and you see this look
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in her eyes, like sh- an awakening conscience, I guess of, like, maybe
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it's like, "Oh, God, what have I done?"
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Or, "What, what have I, what am I doing?" So the episode starts off in the Kennish
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kitchen, as it usually does, and Bay and Daphne are pitching the Car- Carlton
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pilot program to John and Kathryn.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: And John, in front of Daphne, is like, "I don't
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know, that school kinda sucks."
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Dani: He says, "I want you to get a good education."
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Also, the only sign he does in this is education.
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Kara: And Daphne's like, "Okay, we may not have a pool, but we all, we have
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all the same classes that Buckner does."
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Dani: Also, they don't have a pool 'cause they haven't had the Kennishes
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to fucking fundraise for them.
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Maybe they'll have a pool if they get involved.
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And they won't.
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But yeah.
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Kara: No, and they won't.
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Dani: But the thing is, it, it just made me so mad no one in that
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exchange was like, "You are not in, a good enough signer, Bay,
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to go to a fucking Deaf school."
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Kara: No.
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In this scene, she's like, "I love signing, and I'm good at it."
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Dani: And then Daphne says nothing.
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Daphne's being mean, honestly, getting her-
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she's, like, setting her up to fail.
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Kara: I agree.
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Dani: You have to say something.
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Kara: I know.
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Bay's like, "I am good at, good at," and she was like, "This is gonna be a breeze."
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Dani: Yeah.
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And later on in the episode, she says to Emmett, like, "Why didn't
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you tell me I'm such a bad signer?" And he's like, "No, you're good.
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I understand you."
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And it's like, no, you need to talk to someone that's not
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your ex-boyfriend, soon-to-be-
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Kara: No.
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Dani: Boyfriend.
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Kara: She needs Natalie to humble her.
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She-
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Dani: Well, she will.
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She needs Natalie.
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We all needed Natalie.
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I'm so glad Natalie's here.
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Kara: We do, yeah.
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Bay and Daphne leave, and John and Kathryn are like, "Should we do this?"
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But Kathryn's like, "I don't know. She's excited about school
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for once, so that's promising."
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Dani: Yeah.
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And then by the way, guys, this decision happens offscreen.
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We don't actually get a scene of them saying fine.
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Kara: No, 'cause she starts at Carlton this episode.
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Dani: We just see her, yeah, we just see her later on, and she's like,
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"Can you believe my parents said yes?"
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And that's it, so.
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Kara: Well, I'm glad they sped the storyline along.
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Dani: Yeah, true.
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Kara: Regina and Angelo are in Angelo's apartment, and they are house
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planning, and she is talking about an environmentally friendly pool.
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Dani: This was frying me, because I wonder if they had more planned between
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episode one and episode two, and this was meant to be episode three, because
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Regina jumps into being so exuberant about the Angelo moving in situation-
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Kara: Yes.
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Dani: So fast.
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Like, in the last episode, she says to Toby offhand, like, "I guess
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there's nothing stopping me from moving in with him," but she's,
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like, sort of says it begrudgingly.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Dani: And then we see her be like, "Oh my God, okay, so I was pulling
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design samples and I think we should do this environmentally friendly
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pool that has a bunch of plants in it, and it filters the water."
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The second thing I would like to say is that I have family friends
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that have a pool like this.
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It is thrice the cost of a regular pool.
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Kara: I was gonna say, he only has five million.
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Dani: It is so expensive to do.
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It's very cool, but one, they have access to a pool on the Kennish property.
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Kara: That's true.
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Dani: And Regina's only cannonballed in it in slow-mo that one single time.
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So I don't know why she would need an environmentally friendly pool on the house
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that they're building on the golf course.
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If you wanna be environmentally friendly, maybe we start by not
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building a house on a golf course.
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Kara: Maybe not having a golf course.
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Dani: Or that.
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What's confusing is we haven't seen them be, like, back together.
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Kara: No, and-
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Dani: Like, they're not kissing, they're not sleeping together as far as we know.
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Kara: No.
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And it's gonna get confusing because Angelo decides this
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is the time to be like-
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Dani: Hey…
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Kara: "Sorry about the pool.
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Let me interrupt for a second.
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I'm gonna be a daddy again.
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I got a girl pregnant." And Regina immediately flips out.
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And part of me is like, sure, reasonable that you're mad.
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But also interesting because you have not seemed interested at all in having
16:32
a relationship with him for some time.
16:34
Dani: Yes.
16:35
I was very confused about this.
16:37
Are they together or not?
16:38
I know they're legally together, but.
16:41
Kara: They don't live together.
16:42
Dani: This reaction, I understand there's like 20 years of history fueling it, but
16:45
I feel like this reaction, she, like, shames him so hard in a way where I'm
16:50
like, I don't know, are we not all adults?
16:53
Like, her being like, "You just couldn't keep it in your pants," I
16:55
don't know, you guys weren't together.
16:57
Kara: Nor were you married.
16:58
Dani: He's an adult man having sex.
17:00
Also, when he got deported or ran away so that he wouldn't get deported, I can't, I
17:05
kinda can't remember what happened there.
17:07
Kara: He ran away.
17:07
Dani: He ran away.
17:08
He thought he wasn't gonna be able to come back.
17:11
Kara: Right.
17:11
And he didn't know about this baby until after the court case.
17:15
Dani: Yeah.
17:15
Just because he had a one-night stand one time doesn't mean that six
17:19
months later he can't say, "Yes, we will get married for my green card."
17:23
Kara: Right.
17:24
Dani: I don't know.
17:25
And then also, again, it's a drama and it's for the plot, but it just feels
17:29
quite immature to be like, we are adult parents to, like… I mean, Regina and
17:34
Angelo are both barely parents anymore.
17:37
Kara: Literally.
17:37
Dani: Um, we don't see her interact with Daphne this entire episode.
17:41
But we are both, like, in this weird parenting situation already.
17:46
Would it not just be like, okay, it sounds like you're gonna be
17:49
co-parenting a baby, you know?
17:52
Like, it's not like he says, "I'm getting back together with this woman."
17:55
Kara: With Lana?
17:56
Dani: Yeah.
17:56
Kara: No, he doesn't.
17:57
Dani: He just says, yeah, I'm… Like, it's obviously unfortunate.
18:00
I don't know.
18:01
Regina, don't make me defend a man, but-
18:03
Kara: I know.
18:03
Dani: I feel like her crash-out doesn't make sense.
18:06
Kara: It's strange.
18:07
It's confusing.
18:09
Dani: Yeah.
18:09
I feel like we needed m- we need more… I just wanna know, maybe she's
18:13
just, like, stupid enough to be like, "Everything is fine and we're married
18:17
for real now, and I love him so much."
18:18
But we haven't seen that.
18:19
Kara: We have not seen that.
18:22
Yeah, weird.
18:23
Dani: I don't know.
18:24
Kara: Either way, he just always has bad timing.
18:26
Dani: Yeah, he does have bad timing, and he does kind of suck.
18:30
I just am like, you knew that about him already.
18:32
This doesn't feel that outside the realm of par for the course for him.
18:37
Kara: Yeah, maybe she's just like, "Again?"
18:39
Dani: Again?
18:39
Yeah.
18:40
And it is an again situation.
18:42
Kara: It is.
18:43
She runs off in anger, and that's the end of that scene.
18:45
Dani: Yeah.
18:46
Kara: Bay in the driveway is painting her car red.
18:49
It looks so much better.
18:50
Dani: I agree.
18:51
Kara: Yeah, sorry to the sea creatures, but good, 'cause she's
18:54
erasing Zarra from her life.
18:56
Dani: Yeah, so true.
18:57
New chapter.
18:58
Kara: Yeah, and new school, new chapter.
19:00
Dani: Mm-hmm.
19:00
Kara: The car is red.
19:01
It looks so much better.
19:02
John and Kathryn have im- have approved the Carlton entrance?
19:07
Attendance.
19:08
Kathryn comes in, and she's like, "Are you ready for school?
19:11
Also, just wanna make sure this is not just about Emmett." And Bay's
19:15
like, "No, I made this decision without Emmett in mind, I promise."
19:18
Dani: Me when I lie.
19:19
Kara: Literally.
19:20
"Also, come in for a family meeting, please," says Kathryn.
19:23
And then everyone's there, so it's Toby and Bay and Daphne and John and Kathryn.
19:29
Everyone's in one of the many rooms, and Daphne brings out
19:32
tacos that she is test cooking.
19:35
Dani: Yeah.
19:36
Kara: That she is test cooking for her taco truck, and then this is another
19:41
example, again, where I was like, Puerto Rican people do not exist in this show.
19:46
Because when they say she's Puerto Rican, they just mean Mexican.
19:50
Tacos are not Puerto Rican.
19:51
Dani: Yeah, I don't… In, in, uh, Kansas City, I guess they are.
19:56
Kara: It drives me crazy.
19:57
Every Latino reference-
19:59
Dani: Yeah.
19:59
Kara: In this show is always Mexican.
20:01
Dani: Yeah.
20:01
Kara: Frida Kahlo?
20:02
Mexican.
20:03
Dani: The Mexican hot chocolate.
20:04
Kara: Mexican hot chocolate, and now tacos.
20:07
Dani: Do we think Daphne's food is good?
20:09
Kara: I think it's decent.
20:10
I think it's good for a 16-year-old.
20:12
Dani: Okay.
20:12
Kara: That's my answer.
20:13
Dani: Canonically, to me, I'm like, I bet it's bad.
20:17
Kara: I don't know.
20:17
People line up in East Riverside for those tacos.
20:19
Dani: 'Cause she's giving them away for free.
20:21
Kara: That's true.
20:22
That is true.
20:22
We'll get to it.
20:24
Anyway, John and Kathryn are like, "Family meeting, we have an
20:27
announcement, and that is John is gonna run for state senate." Daphne's
20:31
like, "Oh my God, that is so cool.
20:32
Congrats." And Toby and Bay are like, "Okay."
20:35
Dani: Yeah.
20:36
No one really cares that much.
20:38
And then Daphne's like, "Okay, I'm gonna go take my food truck
20:40
out," and she doesn't have any permits, hasn't done any research.
20:44
John is like, "Let me call my guy at the permit office first."
20:48
Kara: Yeah.
20:48
She says "I wanna go to a metal concert at 11:00 PM alone-
20:53
Dani: Dude.
20:54
Kara: Where all these drunk and high men are going to come buy my tacos,
20:59
and I wanna do this alone at night."
21:01
Dani: Yeah.
21:01
I think what's so frustrating that the show does, as an adult looking back,
21:06
there's, they, they make so many Daphne plot lines, her, like, struggling
21:10
for independence against people's expectations of her, they make it from
21:14
the point of view of, like, "Just because I'm Deaf doesn't mean I can't do it."
21:17
And it's like, no, honey, it's 'cause you're 17.
21:20
Kara: 'Cause you're a 17-year-old girl, and that's dangerous.
21:22
Dani: And also 'cause you didn't get the fucking permit.
21:25
Kara: Yeah.
21:25
Dani: Like, her being like, "I don't need the permit, it's fine," yes you do.
21:29
Kara: Yeah.
21:29
Dani: Your dad's about to be a senator.
21:31
You can't have a scandal.
21:33
Kara: No.
21:33
Dani: And she will.
21:34
Kara: And she will.
21:35
And she will.
21:36
Yeah, so John is like, "I wanna help you with this," and Bay's like,
21:39
"I wanna help you with the logo."
21:40
Dani: And Daphne's like, "I don't want anybody's help."
21:42
Kara: You need it.
21:43
Toby needs to go rehearse.
21:45
Dani: Okay, am I crazy?
21:47
I thought Nikki still had a boyfriend at the end of the last season.
21:51
Kara: Oh, that's right.
21:51
Uh, Jed?
21:52
Dani: That's, yes.
21:53
That's why I'm saying, like, she was not in the last episode at all.
21:57
I think there was supposed to be an episode between this
21:59
episode and the last episode.
22:01
Kara: Wow.
22:02
Dani: Because we didn't see their breakup.
22:05
They were building it up like this was gonna be a long running
22:09
thing where she's dating Jed, but she has feelings for Toby and she
22:13
eventually has to break up with Jed.
22:14
Nope, they're just making out, next scene.
22:16
It happened off screen, I guess, but, like, they just abandoned so
22:19
many plot lines from the last season.
22:21
Kara: That's a great point.
22:22
Completely forgot about the ex-boyfriend.
22:24
Dani: Mm-hmm.
22:24
Kara: Wow.
22:25
Dani: But anyway, they're getting hot and heavy, but
22:28
Nikki took a pledge of chastity.
22:30
Kara: Yes.
22:31
Dani: Which is crazy.
22:31
Did she say that at the l- la- end of last season?
22:35
Kara: I think it's implied, 'cause she's a good Christian girl.
22:38
Dani: Right, but they talk about the pledge like it was
22:40
a thing she signed recently.
22:42
Like, it was a thing that we saw happen.
22:44
Kara: Again, maybe there's an episode.
22:46
Dani: They're making out and she pulls back and Toby's
22:48
like, "This gosh darn pledge.
22:51
I just wish we could have sex." And she's like, "I know, but I just signed that
22:55
pledge." Like, what are we talking about?
22:58
When did that happen?
22:59
And Toby's like, he's not, like, pressuring her, but he's doing
23:03
the, he's doing, like, the logical version of teenage boy-ism where
23:07
he's like, "I just think that when two people really care about each
23:10
other and we've both had sex before, it shouldn't be that big of a deal."
23:14
Kara: Right.
23:14
Dani: And she's like, "But I have the pledge." The pledge of chastity is crazy.
23:19
Kara: It's so ABC Family, though.
23:20
Dani: It is.
23:21
Kara: But Kathryn comes in to interrupt their quote, unquote,
23:25
"rehearsal." I wonder if she didn't hear any music playing and she was
23:28
like, "Maybe I'll just come in."
23:29
Dani: Oh, she's for sure there to make sure they're not having sex.
23:32
Kara: No new babies are being made.
23:33
But she's like, "Hi guys, I have biscotti."
23:35
Dani: Yeah.
23:36
Like-
23:36
Kara: Please try it.
23:37
And then she, like, kicks Toby out to go make some tea, but it's
23:40
cute actually because she and Nikki are really getting along.
23:42
Dani: Yeah.
23:42
Kara: They're chatting.
23:43
Dani: They totally are.
23:44
Nikki's like parent catnip.
23:46
Kathryn loves her pledge of chastity.
23:48
But then Toby comes back in and they're-
23:50
Kara: Like, singing.
23:51
Dani: Singing together, and I, Lea Thompson has a beautiful voice.
23:54
But I do not wish to hear it anymore.
23:57
I hate the singing plot lines in this show.
23:59
Kara: Mm.
24:00
Dani: I know it was just a trend back then, that they had to make
24:02
everyone sing all the time to compete with Glee, but why is she
24:07
singing for so long in this episode?
24:10
Like, why are we getting on-screen Kathryn singing, but
24:13
not on-screen chastity pledge?
24:15
Kara: Wish I could tell you.
24:16
Dani: My priorities are different-
24:18
Kara: Yeah…
24:18
Dani: than the writers, I guess.
24:19
Kara: And they love the singing, 'cause Nikki's like, "Do you wanna join
24:24
Dani: our band?"
24:25
Kara: Or, like, "be in the album-"
24:27
Dani: Yeah.
24:27
Kara: "For one song?" And Kathryn's like, "Yeah, totally."
24:30
And Toby's like, "Kill me."
24:31
Dani: Yeah.
24:31
Kara: "Kill me now." We're back in-
24:33
Dani: I'm on Toby's side.
24:34
I wouldn't like that either.
24:35
Kara: Especially if you're like a horny teenage boy, and now your mom
24:38
is in your band with your girlfriend.
24:40
Dani: It's like it's secular music, but barely.
24:42
Kara: I know.
24:43
Dani: And then your mom's there.
24:44
Kara: It's tough.
24:45
Dani: Anyway, Bay is at school.
24:47
Kara: First day.
24:47
Dani: Her first day at Carlton, and she has decided now is the
24:50
time to try out a side part.
24:51
She said, "I'm gonna part it way to the side." It's crazy.
24:55
Kara: Good for her, I guess.
24:56
Dani: She otherwise looks good, except that she is layered head to toe.
24:59
She's wearing a dress over a long sleeve and jeans.
25:03
Kara: She did say she's not used to dressing up for school.
25:05
Dani: And then a short sleeve shrug over that.
25:08
Kara: Yes.
25:08
Dani: So she has three layers on top, two layers on bottom.
25:12
Kara: They're blasting the AC at Carlton.
25:14
Dani: I'm just begging to know what season we're in at all times.
25:18
Kara: This aired in January, but that doesn't mean anything.
25:20
Dani: That mean, that means nothing.
25:21
And they filmed it in Los Angeles, so it also means nothing.
25:24
Kara: That is true.
25:25
But she goes up to see Emmett in the hallway.
25:27
He's delighted to see her.
25:28
She's got a new student ID.
25:30
She's like, "I hate how I look, though." And he throws it in the trash and goes,
25:33
"Go to the office and get a new one, and lie that you lost your other one."
25:37
Dani: Bay is not gonna make friends this way.
25:39
Kara: Also-
25:40
. Dani: With the administration.
25:40
Kara: They would just make you a new one with your old picture on it, but okay.
25:43
Dani: So true.
25:44
Kara: The picture's in, in the database, but fine.
25:47
It's fine.
25:47
Bay, and I'm gonna complain about this for the rest of the episode,
25:50
is simcomming in this Deaf school.
25:53
Dani: Yeah.
25:54
Kara: That she has the fortune, the privilege to attend.
25:57
Dani: Like, turn your voice off, girl.
25:59
Kara: Shut up.
26:00
Dani: Also, what a blessing to fucking shut up sometimes.
26:04
Kara: Yes.
26:04
Dani: I love not talk- I love being able to continue talking.
26:08
Kara: And sh-
26:08
Dani: Without fucking having to vocalize.
26:10
Kara: And she is barely signing.
26:12
She'll sign every three words.
26:15
Dani: Because she's out of practice, 'cause she hasn't
26:17
been dating Emmett for so long.
26:18
Kara: No.
26:19
Dani: Like, this is such a stupid… I know they were just done with Buckner.
26:22
I know it's for the plot.
26:24
Kara: And I get why she is.
26:25
Dani: This is so stupid of her.
26:26
Kara: But honestly, it's gonna be good for her, the adversity that she's gonna
26:30
experience, I think will be good for her.
26:32
I think it's humbling.
26:33
I'm serious.
26:34
Dani: Yeah.
26:35
I know.
26:35
It's just, like, at the expense of these-
26:38
Kara: The Deaf people there, yes.
26:40
Dani: Deaf people's education.
26:41
Kara: Yeah, that's also true.
26:43
She meets up with Teo, who we met in the last episode.
26:45
He was the one who was lost, and, uh, Daphne helped him go find the office.
26:49
Dani: Yeah, he is hearing, and he seems to have a genuine hatred
26:54
for Deaf people and Deaf culture.
26:56
Like, it's crazy.
26:57
Kara: Yeah.
26:57
It's, throughout the whole episode, he's like, "Ugh, this signing thing."
27:01
Dani: I know.
27:01
Kara: "I gotta do it again?"
27:02
Dani: Yeah.
27:03
Kara: "Oh, brother." So to my knowledge, the pilot program is for family
27:08
members, hearing family members, right?
27:11
So does he have, like, a Deaf brother or something?
27:13
Dani: I don't wanna spoil it for you.
27:15
You'll find out.
27:16
Kara: Okay.
27:16
But yeah, he's like, "You ready to go to Basic ASL? Kill me."
27:20
Dani: I think what's frustrating to me about this is that Bay should
27:24
know better than to ally with him.
27:26
Kara: Mm.
27:27
Dani: Like, she's not in the same boat as him.
27:29
Kara: No.
27:29
Dani: She knows-
27:30
Kara: She knows a lot more than he does.
27:31
Dani: She knows a lot more than he does.
27:33
She has an appreciation and a respect, in theory-
27:36
Kara: She should.
27:37
Dani: For it.
27:37
She should.
27:38
We thought that she did, but I feel like she meets this guy and is just like,
27:42
"Sure, I have no problems, and I will not call you out for you sucking." Like, later
27:47
on, they're walking, and she's trying to sign, and he's like, "Can we just talk?"
27:51
And she's like, "Signing is talking." But then she's like, "Fine, we can just talk."
27:56
And I'm like, you're-
27:57
Kara: You're still on the campus.
27:58
Dani: You're part of the problem.
27:59
You're part of the problem.
28:00
Kara: And you're still in the school.
28:01
Dani: I feel like if he hadn't found a friend, then he'd be
28:04
like, "Okay, I have to lock in."
28:06
Kara: Right.
28:07
Dani: But instead, he just clings to Bay and is like, "This sucks."
28:10
Kara: Yeah, it drives me crazy the whole episode.
28:12
Dani: Yeah.
28:12
And then meanwhile, Kathryn and Regina are in the kitchen, and Regina's
28:16
filling her in on the Angelo situation, and the only really thing of note
28:20
there is that Kathryn's like, "Is he a sex addict?" People have sex.
28:25
You used to have sex with your husband all the time.
28:27
This show used to heavily imply that you had a healthy sex life.
28:30
Kara: Yeah, but now she's too busy fundraising for his campaign, I guess.
28:33
Dani: She was like, first that nurse that he was dating, and then this.
28:38
It's like, that's what, two women in the last year?
28:40
That's not that dramatic.
28:42
Kara: I mean, she has a low body count.
28:43
Dani: Yeah.
28:44
Kara: I wonder if John was her first.
28:46
I feel like she, 'cause I feel like she's, she's Catholic.
28:49
Dani: Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything.
28:51
Those people-
28:51
Kara: I don't know.
28:51
To me, it does.
28:52
Dani: Those people are doing crazy things.
28:54
Kara: I wonder if she's, like, more Christian than we think, and is, like,
28:58
maybe saved for marriage or something.
29:00
Dani: I mean, I guess.
29:01
She married John, like, right out of college, right?
29:03
Kara: She did, yeah.
29:04
Dani: So maybe she's only ever been with him.
29:06
I just think it's weird that people can't be like, "Damn, that's crazy that
29:10
he wasn't responsible." But also, he could have been, accidents still happen.
29:14
Kara: Sure, but-
29:15
Dani: He could have used protection, and this still could have happened.
29:17
I don't know.
29:17
Just her being like, "Is he a sex addict?" Crazy.
29:20
Kara: Yeah, that's true.
29:21
I agree.
29:21
Dani: And w- what, I can't even remember what Regina says in response,
29:24
but she doesn't, like, dispute it.
29:26
Kara: No, neither do I. I don't remember what she says, but I think
29:29
she was like, "Well, it happened, and that sucks." And that's kind of the
29:32
consensus they come to, like, well.
29:34
Dani: Then we get this beautiful scene.
29:35
Kara: Oh, we're back at Carlton?
29:36
Dani: We're back at Carlton.
29:38
Kara: This is an English class, and they are discussing The Scarlet Letter.
29:42
Dani: Yeah.
29:43
Kara: Great book.
29:44
Did you ever read it?
29:45
Dani: No.
29:45
Kara: Okay.
29:46
Right, you didn't go to school.
29:47
Dani: No, but I've seen the film Easy A.
29:49
Kara: And that's close enough.
29:50
Dani: It is.
29:51
It's an adaptation.
29:52
Kara: Yes.
29:53
And Bay and Teo are watching this teacher sign, and they do not
29:58
understand a word she is saying.
30:00
Dani: And they took away captions for a lot of it.
30:02
Kara: They took away captions to confuse the hearing audience.
30:04
Dani: I love when this show does that.
30:05
Kara: I do love that.
30:06
Dani: 'Cause it works on me every time.
30:07
I'm like, huh?
30:08
Kara: And also, they cut away from the teacher so fast.
30:11
Like, when she's do- sign, midway through a sign that you
30:15
also miss what she is signing.
30:17
But basically, what, I rewound and watched it again a few times-
30:21
Dani: Thank you, for your service.
30:22
Kara: Just to try to get what she was saying.
30:24
But she's talking about The Scarlet Letter, and she was
30:26
basically asking how do our current morals contradict this book.
30:31
Dani: Mm-hmm.
30:32
Kara: And Bay is like, "I'm sorry, can you say that again?"
30:34
And the teacher says it slowly, even so I can catch it.
30:38
And then she's like, "Thanks, I'm gonna ponder that."
30:40
Dani: And then class ends.
30:43
Kara: And the teacher signs, which I also got, was, "Since we didn't
30:47
finish, I want you to go ahead and read the last three parts," maybe
30:50
chapters, and everyone groans.
30:53
It's lunchtime.
30:53
Daphne's like, "I have to go ahead and run this food truck errand." And
30:56
then this girl comes up, we don't know her name, but her name is Natalie.
31:00
Dani: I think we met her last episode-
31:02
Kara: Yes.
31:02
Dani: randomly.
31:03
Kara: But I don't think we ever get her, we didn't get her name yet.
31:05
Dani: No, we haven't gotten her name yet.
31:06
Kara: But throughout the whole class, she looks annoyed.
31:09
Dani: Yeah.
31:10
Kara: She looks pissed.
31:10
Dani: She has a really good resting bitch face.
31:12
Kara: She does.
31:12
Uh, Stephanie Nogueras.
31:14
Dani: Shout out.
31:15
Kara: Yeah.
31:16
A Deaf actor, very cool.
31:18
Gorgeous.
31:19
Dani: Yeah, she's really pretty.
31:20
Kara: Mm-hmm.
31:20
Dani: So she brushes past Bay and shoulder checks her a bit.
31:25
Kara: She does.
31:26
Dani: And this is, is this actually, like, a slur?
31:30
Kara: It's not a slur.
31:30
Dani: They treat it as so dramatic, so I don't wanna, like,
31:32
just say it wild on the pod.
31:34
Kara: She signs Y-A on her forehead.
31:37
Dani: Yeah.
31:38
Kara: And Bay doesn't know what that means, but Daphne sees it, and is like-
31:42
Dani: "oh."
31:43
Kara: "She's just annoyed 'cause, um, we have extra homework now."
31:47
Dani: Yeah, yeah, Daphne doesn't tell Bay.
31:50
Kara: Daphne doesn't tell Bay what it means, and Bay later is gonna ask
31:52
Emmett, "What does this sign mean?"
31:54
Dani: And Emmett is so dumb, 'cause it's, like, obviously Bay is asking
31:57
'cause someone called her that.
31:58
Emmett, like, tells her.
32:00
Kara: "Oh, that sign, it means stupid, pea-brained, dumb." And
32:04
Bay's like, "Okay, got it, got it.
32:06
Thanks."
32:06
Dani: Yeah.
32:07
A ya-ya.
32:08
Like, I had never heard it.
32:09
It's ya-ya.
32:10
Kara: Natalie did it so fast in the-
32:13
Yeah, it's just Y-A on the forehead.
32:16
Dani: I do like it, unfortunately.
32:19
Kara: Yeah.
32:20
Dani: It's like… 'Cause it's kinda like loser.
32:22
Like, it's very, like-
32:22
Kara: It's a little bit like-
32:23
Dani: 2000s.
32:23
Kara: It is.
32:24
I thought she was doing stubborn at first, 'cause stubborn is, like,
32:27
the B hand shape next to the head.
32:29
Dani: Mm-hmm.
32:29
Kara: And the way the camera was angled, this is also the show's
32:32
fault, but the way the camera was angled, it was hard to see the sign.
32:35
Dani: Mm-hmm.
32:35
Kara: And we just saw the captions.
32:37
Dani: Yeah.
32:38
Kara: So that was confusing.
32:39
So I was like, "Is she signing stubborn? But that doesn't make
32:41
sense." It's a, it's Deaf slang.
32:44
Dani: So then, yeah, I wonder… I'm gonna Google it.
32:47
In Greek, it means grandmother.
32:48
Kara: It does.
32:49
Dani: Wow.
32:50
The AI overview says nothing about ASL.
32:52
Kara: It's hard to find stupid Deaf slang.
32:55
No, that seems like a bad thing to- Anyway.
32:59
It's complex language, guys.
33:00
Dani: So true.
33:01
Kara: Yeah.
33:01
So it's the next scene.
33:02
She joins Emmett at lunch, and she continues simcomming.
33:05
Dani: Yeah.
33:06
Kara: And then, Emmett leaves.
33:08
Emmett leaves to go get something, and then Bay's like, "Oh, no, no,
33:11
no, no, please don't leave." And then she's stuck at this table with
33:13
other Deaf people, including Natalie.
33:15
Dani: Yeah, and she is… I wanted to kill her this whole scene.
33:19
Kara: A was watching this with me and was like, "Shut up.
33:23
Shut up.
33:24
Why are you simcomming?
33:25
Shut up."
33:25
Dani: So much of this show I thought I would be hating Bay, like I did when
33:29
I first watched it, and I haven't.
33:31
I've been hating Daphne, and I think that's personal
33:33
growth in me and Bay, I guess.
33:35
Kara: Except for this scene.
33:36
Dani: But she, oh my God, will not shut the fuck up.
33:39
She is taking up so much space in this conversation.
33:43
You could just be quiet.
33:44
You could say nothing.
33:45
Just observe.
33:46
Kara: She, she thinks, "Hmm, I'm at a table with Deaf people. Maybe
33:50
all Deaf people talk about is signing." No, that's not what we do.
33:54
Dani: She's like… She turns to Natalie, and she's like, "Is that chocolate milk?
33:58
I love chocolate milk.
34:00
And I love the sign for milk.
34:02
It's so instinctive." Mind you, Natalie's saying nothing.
34:06
Kara: Natalie's just staring at her.
34:07
Dani: Just staring.
34:08
Bay will not stop.
34:09
I lo- the sign for milk, and there's some signs that are just, like, so instinctive.
34:14
I can't remember the other examples she gave.
34:16
Kara: Yeah.
34:16
But then there are signs, like, for, for bathroom, which I'm like, "What
34:19
kind of crazy person thought that up?"
34:23
Dani: Toilet.
34:24
Don't be stupid.
34:26
Like, her examples for signs where she was like, "Can you
34:28
believe someone thought of that?
34:29
Were they drunk?" I'm like, "No, those all also make sense."
34:32
Kara: Yeah, and Natalie, still no response.
34:35
Dani: Still, still no response.
34:36
Kara: And then she's saying, "I have to go to yearbook. Goodbye."
34:39
Dani: Yeah.
34:39
And then Emmett's supposed to go, but he skips yearbook to stay back with Bay.
34:44
Kara: Right.
34:45
She's obviously stressed, and then this is when she asks.
34:48
Dani: Yes, when she asks, "What does ya ya mean?"
34:50
Kara: And then he's like, "It's stupid." And then she's like, "Okay, got it."
34:53
Dani: It means you're a stupid dumb [BLEEP], actually.
34:55
Kara: Right.
34:55
Right.
34:56
Dani: And then he goes, "Why? Why do you ask?"
34:57
Kara: She went, "Nothing."
34:58
Dani: Let's put some puzzle pieces together, Emmett.
35:00
Do some critical thinking.
35:02
Kara: No, he's just happy she's there.
35:03
Dani: He's so happy.
35:04
Kara: He's delighted the whole episode.
35:06
Dani: Yeah.
35:06
And they are, like, touchy and stuff again.
35:09
Kara: Yeah.
35:10
Dani: It's not… I'm gonna be so annoyed.
35:11
I think it's, I think they make it official in the plot, but I'm
35:14
gonna be annoyed if in the next episode they're just, like, back
35:16
together and it happened off-screen.
35:18
I feel like that's happening a lot.
35:19
Kara: It needs to be a conversation.
35:21
You have to tell me.
35:22
While this lunch is happening, Daphne is back in East Riverside
35:26
and she's getting 500 tortillas.
35:28
Dani: Oh, yeah.
35:29
Kara: From a nice lady in town, and this guy Javy approaches,
35:33
who's played by Erick Lopez, who I recognize from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
35:36
Hi.
35:37
Dani: Shut up.
35:38
Kara: And he's like, "Oh, someone's making white girl tacos."
35:42
And then he's speaking Spanish to the restaurant owner, and she's like,
35:47
she does like the Daphne Vasquez.
35:48
Dani: Me llamo Vasquez.
35:49
Kara: She's like, "I understood every word of that."
35:52
Dani: Girl, I only have so much patience.
35:55
Kara: I know.
35:56
But in this conversation also, we do hear of bet- between Javy and the
36:01
restaurant owner that the businesses in East Riverside have been struggling.
36:05
Restaurants are going under.
36:06
Dani: Yes, and that is not subtext, because then she turns around to
36:09
Daphne and says, "The businesses in East Riverside have been struggling
36:12
and everyone's going under."
36:14
Kara: Yes.
36:14
Dani: And also, you're lucky that you got out of here.
36:17
Kara: Mm-hmm.
36:17
Dani: Like, she, uh, it, it was just such a heavy-handed plot of
36:21
them literally being like, "You are so lucky you got out of here.
36:24
It's really bad here.
36:25
Everyone needs help." Anyway.
36:27
Kara: We're at the car wash now.
36:29
She is in the taco truck with Toby, and they are selling tacos, and the tacos,
36:34
I believe, are $2 each, which for 20-
36:37
Dani: The veggie is one.
36:38
Kara: The veggie is one.
36:39
Shrimp is two though.
36:41
Good old days.
36:42
And I looked it up, 'cause I was like, how much would street tacos
36:45
cost in Kansas City in 2013?
36:47
$2, one to $2.
36:48
Dani: Yeah.
36:49
Kara: Is right.
36:50
But John sees the whiteboard, and he's like, "No, no, no, no, no.
36:54
You need to raise the prices to cover overhead and your time and expertise." And
36:58
she's like, "I'm not paying rent, and I certainly don't have permits." So, like-
37:02
Dani: Also, expertise?
37:04
She's 17.
37:05
Kara: Yeah.
37:06
This is a great chance for you to practice.
37:08
Dani: Yeah, this is pra- also this is practice for her.
37:11
Kara: Yeah.
37:11
Dani: This isn't, like, the grand opening.
37:12
Kara: Nor do you need the money.
37:14
Dani: This is a soft opening.
37:15
Kara: Yeah.
37:16
Dani: Nor does she need the money.
37:17
So true.
37:18
Kara: Yeah.
37:18
So, but he takes an, an eraser to the whiteboard and
37:22
rewrites $6 for shrimp tacos.
37:25
That's today, 2026 prices, I think.
37:28
Dani: I think so too.
37:29
Kara: That's food truck-
37:30
Dani: In, in New York in 2026, if I'm paying $6 for a single taco, I'm pissed.
37:34
Kara: He gets two shrimp tacos, $12 for a plate.
37:37
That's crazy.
37:39
Dani: That is cra- for a plate where you're gonna go eat it in the parking lot.
37:43
A, like, a big part of my complaints with food trucks is, like, I'm, I don't wanna
37:47
stand there and eat the food like that.
37:48
Kara: Right.
37:49
I, I agree.
37:50
Dani: You know what I mean?
37:51
For something I'm gonna eat standing up, it should not be more than $10.
37:55
Kara: Absolutely.
37:56
Yeah, I agree.
37:57
But everyone is there to support the food truck opening.
38:00
Regina and Bay are there too, and they're eating at this, yeah, a combination
38:05
taco truck, car wash place now.
38:08
Yeah.
38:08
I'm at the taco truck.
38:08
Dani: Whatever.
38:09
It is.
38:09
Kara: I'm at the car wash.
38:11
I'm at the combination taco truck and car wash.
38:13
Regina is like… Well, first of all, Bay's like, "Carlton is
38:18
harder than I thought it would be.
38:19
This is hard." And Regina's like, "Yeah, I get it.
38:22
I've been there." It'll take some time, but you'll be okay." So that's
38:26
nice, nice mother-daughter moment.
38:28
But then Regina's like, "I have some news." And Bay goes, "Is it the baby?
38:32
Is it Angelo's baby?"
38:33
Dani: I know about that.
38:34
Kara: So Regina's like, "Oh, um, how did you find out?" And
38:37
then she was like, "Yeah, Toby found out and then he told me."
38:39
Dani: This is the first scene of them together this whole season.
38:43
I know we're only on episode two, but.
38:45
Kara: They never see each other.
38:46
Dani: No.
38:47
Kara: Regina's always out doing her own thing.
38:48
Dani: Busy designing pools, I guess.
38:50
Kara: Yeah, it's strange.
38:52
Whatever.
38:52
Daphne made a whopping $253 on her very first day, and then she was
38:58
like, "Thank you, Toby, for your help.
38:59
Would you like half the tips?" And he was like, "No, this is all yours."
39:02
Dani: And then she makes a weird sex joke.
39:04
I know they didn't grow up together-
39:06
Kara: That's your brother, though…
39:07
Dani: but that is your brother.
39:08
I would never be like, "Oh, yeah, you're gonna go, quote- Practice,
39:14
rehearse with your girlfriend."
39:15
Kara: And Toby's like, " I actually am."
39:17
Dani: "I date a Christian." He goes, "I'm in a Christian band with my mom.
39:21
We are rehearsing."
39:22
I don't know.
39:23
Why are you… They invoke… It's weird.
39:26
Kara: Same thing with the cleaver fetish.
39:27
Dani: I'm like- Exactly.
39:28
That's what I'm thinking of.
39:29
Kara: Yeah.
39:30
Dani: The rare moments of Daphne and Toby together are always, this is not familial.
39:36
Kara: And that would never happen between Bay and Toby.
39:38
Dani: No.
39:39
'Cause- And that is, obviously they grew up together, whatever, but
39:41
it, I don't know, it bothered me.
39:43
Kara: Different relationship, I guess
39:45
Dani: Even so, even so, that's your brother.
39:48
Kara: Yeah.
39:49
Dani: Genetically speaking.
39:50
Kara: That is true.
39:51
I do have a friend who met her brothers later in life, and I
39:54
think sh- she also would never-
39:57
Dani: You scared me.
39:58
For a second, I thought you were going the opposite way with that sentence.
40:02
I was about to be so scared.
40:04
Kara: But it's true, he is going to rehearse.
40:05
He's in the church basement with, uh, Emmett and Nikki.
40:08
They're jamming.
40:09
Dani: I know, I keep forgetting that Emmett is also in this band.
40:11
Kara: Yeah, he's, he likes the drums.
40:13
Dani: Yeah.
40:13
Kara: He's having a good time.
40:14
Dani: I know, he is.
40:15
Kara: Yeah.
40:16
Nikki says, "Thanks for playing.
40:18
Gotta go to youth group.
40:19
Bye, guys." And Emmett's like, "Toby, we have to speak." And Toby, to his credit,
40:24
understands pretty much everything.
40:26
He asks him to repeat himself once, but he gets it's a, very serious conversation.
40:30
And Emmett goes-
40:31
Dani: This pissed me off.
40:32
Kara: I was… Me too.
40:33
I was looking at our band website.
40:34
We have a band website now, awesomesauce.com.
40:37
Okay?
40:38
Dani: Forgot that's what their band was called.
40:40
Kara: Yeah.
40:41
And someone posted, someone has the ability to post on this website-
40:44
Dani: Right.
40:45
Is it a blog?
40:45
Okay.
40:46
Kara: A forum?
40:47
Okay.
40:47
Dani: You guys added a comment section?
40:49
Kara: And someone posted a picture of Nikki topless, and I didn't take it down.
40:55
Dani: Right.
40:56
This pissed me off for so many reasons.
40:58
Also, I know that there is still a language barrier between him and
41:01
Nikki, but not a much bigger one than the one between him and Toby.
41:06
Kara: No.
41:07
Dani: Why wouldn't Emmett go directly to Nikki?
41:09
Kara: Mm.
41:10
Dani: That's what made me so mad.
41:11
Obviously, the "I didn't take it down" part, maybe he can't… I
41:14
don't know the rules of this website that they created off-screen.
41:17
I don't know how it works.
41:18
But why would you go to the boyfriend?
41:21
Kara: Good point.
41:22
Dani: Why wouldn't you go to her?
41:23
Kara: Yes.
41:24
So Emmett-
41:25
Dani: And say, "Oh, my God."
41:25
Kara: I'm mad at Emmett here.
41:27
Dani: Yeah, i'm really mad at Emmett.
41:28
Kara: Yeah.
41:29
And Toby's like, he gets very huffy.
41:31
He's like, "Oh, oh, gosh."
41:33
Dani: Yeah.
41:33
Kara: Should we wrap this plot up, actually?
41:35
Dani: Yeah, it's pissing me off.
41:36
I wanna be done talking about it.
41:38
Kara: Yeah.
41:38
Dani: Toby crashes out.
41:40
Kara: He does.
41:41
He-
41:41
Dani: Quietly.
41:41
Kara: He gets very cold towards her.
41:43
Dani: Yeah, he's being really weird and cold, and they're rehearsing, and
41:46
she's like, "We're not kissing as much as we usually are. What's going on?"
41:49
And he, like, begrudgingly brings up the photo.
41:54
Kara: Yeah.
41:54
And to her credit-
41:55
Dani: Yeah
41:56
… Kara: she does not apologize.
41:57
She was like, "Okay."
41:58
Dani: No.
41:58
She's like, "Oh, all right."
42:00
Kara: "I was a freshman in high school and someone took advantage of me
42:03
when I was going through a very hard time and I'd just lost my father."
42:05
Dani: Yeah.
42:06
Also, she's like, "Let me explain," and Toby goes, "No, you don't
42:08
have to." And she goes, "Well, no, clearly I do, 'cause you're upset."
42:12
Kara: Yeah.
42:12
Dani: He's trying to, like, brush it off and under the rug, but also he wants her
42:16
to know he's upset with her about it.
42:18
Kara: Yeah.
42:19
Yeah.
42:19
Dani: So then, yeah, she explains it.
42:21
And also, like, it do- it is so teenager to, like, care about that kind of stuff.
42:27
Kara: Mm-hmm.
42:28
Dani: Like, why would you give a fuck?
42:29
But, like, of course he does.
42:31
So he's upset, and she leaves, and then he talks to Kathryn about it, and
42:36
Kathryn's like, "Well, I'm just glad Nikki wasn't around when you were stealing
42:39
tests from your school, or scheming with Wilke, or owed Wilke hundreds of
42:44
thousands of dollars in gambling debt, or sold all your music equipment."
42:48
Kara: You're lucky a camera didn't capture all that-
42:50
Dani: Yeah.
42:50
Kara: And put it online.
42:51
Dani: Mind you, good, a good reminder, and Toby wasn't going through
42:55
anything when that all started.
42:57
Like, yeah his sister, turns out, was switched at birth.
43:00
He was already in the hole gambling-wise-
43:03
Kara: He was
43:04
… Dani: before that.
43:05
Kara: Yeah.
43:05
I'm glad Kathryn gives him a little talking to.
43:07
Dani: Yeah.
43:07
Kara: And then also she does a little ABC Family lecture
43:09
of, like, "That is illegal."
43:12
Dani: So true.
43:13
Really important we get that in there.
43:15
Kara: Yeah.
43:16
But then Toby's like, "Okay, just got humbled." And then he goes to the
43:19
church and he apologizes to Nikki.
43:22
Dani: Yeah.
43:22
He's like, "I'm outside." Well, he's like, "I'm really sorry." Oh, and then
43:27
she sends him back like a smiley face or something, and then he calls her-
43:30
Kara: A winking face.
43:30
Dani: Yeah, a winky face.
43:32
He calls her and he's like, "I just can't… I can get behind forgiveness
43:37
but I can't get behind emoticons." Them calling them emoticons was so funny.
43:41
I know that is like their legal-
43:44
Kara: Really?
43:44
I thought it was emoji and emoticon was like when you do
43:47
like a colon and a parenthesis.
43:49
Dani: Well, I think emoji is Apple.
43:52
Kara: Oh.
43:53
Dani: I think that's like a specific brand, and I think
43:55
emoticon is their like neutral-
43:58
Kara: Oh.
43:58
The more you know.
43:59
Dani: I- it's like facial tissue versus Kleenex.
44:03
Kara: Right.
44:03
Dani: And it's like no one fucking says, "Hand me a facial tissue," you know?
44:07
But-
44:08
Kara: Facial tissue, yeah
44:09
… Dani: or like saying Google it, but it's like it doesn't really
44:12
matter what web browser you use-
44:15
Kara: Yeah.
44:15
Dani: To search, you know?
44:16
But emoticons is such a crazy thing to say out loud I feel.
44:21
Kara: They can't say emoji.
44:22
Dani: Yeah.
44:22
Kara: 'Cause of copyright I guess.
44:24
Dani: And then he's like, "Anyway, come look at the moon. It looks
44:26
great from the parking lot." And she comes outside and he's out
44:29
there, and it's romantic, whatever.
44:31
Kara: Yeah.
44:32
I'm like, "Okay, I'm glad you apologized."
44:34
Dani: Yeah.
44:34
Kara: That's the end of that plot.
44:36
Dani: That is.
44:36
That does feel like a pretty realistic crash out.
44:39
Kara: What is?
44:39
Dani: Of a teenage boy.
44:41
Kara: Yes.
44:41
Dani: Like, not justified, but…
44:43
Kara: No, not justified, but I can imagine most teenage boys would be huffy.
44:49
Dani: Yeah, would be like weird and jealous about it.
44:51
What a strange-
44:53
Kara: Yeah.
44:53
But he knows her father died, so I feel like he should-
44:57
Dani: And she, she hinted at like, "I have a past."
44:59
Kara: I have a dark past, like so I feel like he should have put two
45:03
and two together and been like, "Oh, this could have been when she was
45:06
going through a very hard time."
45:07
Dani: Yeah.
45:08
Kara: And she clearly is… I don't think they mention this, but I
45:11
think she's drunk in the picture.
45:12
Dani: Yeah.
45:13
And she's like, what?
45:14
Freshman year of high school she's like 14, 15.
45:17
Kara: 14.
45:17
Dani: Oh, that's so illegal.
45:18
I hope whoever… I don't remember if this plot gets rehashed later.
45:22
Also, 'cause he's like, "What, did Jed post it?" Like acting jealous
45:27
about her ex-boyfriend that she broke up with to be with him.
45:30
Kara: Right.
45:30
Dani: It's so- boys are so weird when they're that young.
45:32
Kara: So strange.
45:33
Dani: I mean, they may- they remain strange.
45:35
Kara: But they're even worse back then.
45:36
Dani: Late
45:36
Kara: into adulthood.
45:37
But yeah, it's not so good.
45:39
Um, anyway, back to another strange, weird boy.
45:43
Teo's walking around-
45:45
With Bay.
45:45
Dani: with Bay in gym class, except they're outside.
45:49
Kara: They're on their way to gym outside.
45:51
They're gonna play volleyball.
45:52
Dani: Yeah.
45:53
Kara: They're signing or-
45:54
Dani: Bay is trying to sign and he's like, "Can we just
45:57
talk?" And she gives in so easy.
46:00
Kara: Yeah.
46:00
He goes, "I'm not used to being the outsider. I'm a white boy."
46:04
Dani: "As a white boy, I have no outsider status." Okay?
46:07
And Bay does say, like, "Maybe this will be good for you then."
46:10
Kara: Yeah.
46:10
Dani: But that was kinda crazy to…
46:12
There's a lot of just saying the subtext out loud in this episode.
46:15
Kara: It's so funny.
46:16
Dani: I'm like, we can fill in things on our own, actually.
46:19
Kara: Yeah.
46:20
Dani: But they're, they're, yeah, they're on their way to volleyball
46:22
and he says- he suggests quiet resistance or something, passive re-
46:27
Kara: Passive resistance.
46:27
Dani: Passive resistance.
46:29
Resistance to what?
46:31
Why are they in this environment?
46:32
I'm just so confused about these two people dropping into this environment
46:35
that was specifically not made for them, and then being like, "Can you believe
46:40
this environment wasn't made for me?"
46:42
Kara: You knew this going forward.
46:43
Dani: It's kind of the whole point of the program.
46:46
Is it not?
46:47
Kara: You immerse.
46:48
You inter- yeah.
46:49
I, yeah.
46:49
They're both pissing me off.
46:50
Dani: It was making me so mad.
46:52
Kara: It's volleyball time.
46:53
Dani: It's volleyball time, and I started, I was taking notes, I go, "I love Natalie.
46:57
She's not even being that mean.
46:59
Oh, okay, actually she is being kind of mean.
47:01
That was a lot." 'Cause she starts pushing Bay around.
47:04
Kara: This is-
47:04
Dani: Knocking her out of the way…
47:06
Kara: to my knowledge, this is not how you play volleyball.
47:08
Dani: No.
47:09
Kara: You don't shove someone to the side to get the ball.
47:11
Dani: Yeah, 'cause they're on the same team.
47:13
Kara: You're on the same team.
47:14
Dani: And that's what Bay keeps saying, "Same team," but she's
47:17
signing it kind of badly, so maybe Natalie just doesn't understand her.
47:20
Kara: Maybe, yeah.
47:21
Dani: And then Bay reaches her breaking point so fast.
47:25
Kara: She goes to serve.
47:26
Dani: She goes to serve, and asks Teo to duck.
47:29
Also, they're communicating-
47:32
Kara: They're talking.
47:32
Dani: Orally in this class.
47:34
If I was Principal Rose, and I know Principal Rose won't do this, 'cause
47:37
she's useless, but if I was Principal Rose, I would've expelled her on the spot.
47:41
It felt like a hate crime for her to be like, "Teo, duck," which no one
47:44
else around us will be able to hear, so that I can on purpose hit Natalie
47:48
in the head with the volleyball.
47:49
She then tries to play it off like it was an accident.
47:52
Kara: Oh yeah, so she goes to serve, and she purposefully hits Natalie in the back.
47:56
Dani: Yeah.
47:57
And then the gym teacher immediately is like, "Get off
48:00
my court." Also not signing.
48:02
Kara: No.
48:03
Dani: Which I guess he doesn't need to, to Bay, but, like,
48:05
still, so that everyone knows.
48:07
Whatever.
48:07
And she's like, "What are you talking about? It was an accident."
48:10
Kara: No.
48:10
Dani: No, it wasn't.
48:11
And then she goes, she maintains that after she, she goes to
48:15
the principal or whoever.
48:17
Someone off-screen yells at her, and she comes out, and Emmett's like,
48:21
"What happened?" And Bay's like, "They think I can aim a volleyball better
48:25
than I can." Like, she's still trying to be like, "It was an accident."
48:28
This, you deserve to be expelled.
48:31
On your first day?
48:32
That's insane.
48:33
Kara: That's true.
48:34
This is on the first day.
48:35
Dani: Yeah.
48:36
Kara: My God.
48:37
Expelled, not suspended.
48:38
You think that's the punishment?
48:40
Dani: I think you come into a Deaf space, as part of a pilot program
48:43
where, like, that's the understanding, and you're speaking orally in the
48:47
class, scheming out loud with the only other hearing kid in the class-
48:51
Kara: Yeah
48:52
… Dani: to assault one of your- Like, obviously we saw it, and
48:56
it wasn't that dramatic, but, like, let's look at it on paper.
48:58
Kara: Yeah, that's true.
48:59
Dani: Like, Natalie's just being ruder than she has to be in the game.
49:03
Kara: And it's more like-
49:03
Dani: But she's not just smacking her in the head with the ball.
49:06
Bay is, smacks her in the back of the head with the ball.
49:09
Kara: She does.
49:10
Dani: I would've expelled her.
49:11
This is insane.
49:12
Kara: Sure.
49:13
I'll take it.
49:13
I don't know if I would've expelled her.
49:15
I think I would've been like, I guess a detention.
49:18
Dani: I think it immediately identifies her as not a safe person for that space.
49:21
Which Natalie also clocks.
49:22
Kara: But after Bay gets kicked out of volleyball, Travis
49:27
is at the car wash working.
49:28
Dani: Yeah.
49:29
Kara: Daphne is down at the food truck.
49:31
It's the middle of the school day?
49:33
Dani: I think Daphne's using the food truck as her seventh period job.
49:37
Kara: Mm. That's a good point.
49:39
Dani: 'Cause Travis is also using that period.
49:41
Kara: He's working.
49:41
Dani: He's working.
49:42
So I think if they have a job, they're allowed to use seventh period for that.
49:45
Kara: Yeah, that's true.
49:46
I, I remember this from Melody.
49:48
Daphne's like, "Want some tacos?
49:50
I have some left over." And Travis is like, "I'm good.
49:53
I have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich I made at home." And she was
49:57
like, "You'd rather have that than my delicious tacos?" And he goes, "Well, not
50:00
everyone can afford $6 shrimp tacos." Tea.
50:03
And she goes, "Well, it's on me. You're, you don't have to pay." And he's offended.
50:07
He doesn't like this.
50:07
Dani: Yeah.
50:08
He walks away.
50:09
Kara: Yeah.
50:09
Back at Carlton, Bay, uh, leaves the admin office, and Emmett catches her leaving,
50:15
and he's like, "Why did you just leave the principal's office?" And then this is wh-
50:19
this is when she's like, "I don't know.
50:20
I think Natalie was being, um, a volley bitch."
50:23
Dani: She learns nothing.
50:25
Kara: Noth- you're right.
50:25
Dani: This whole episode.
50:26
Kara: You're right.
50:26
Like, now that I'm reading my notes and, and her being like, "I didn't
50:29
do anything." I'm like, girl.
50:31
Dani: Yeah.
50:31
She's like, "They think I have better aim than I do, and Natalie
50:34
was being a volley bitch, and all I did was spike it into her head."
50:37
Bay's being so, like, dim on purpose.
50:42
I don't know.
50:43
It feels crazy.
50:44
She's, the lack of self-awareness.
50:46
Kara: Yeah.
50:46
Emmett kind of, um, interprets this as, oh, just like two girls not getting along.
50:51
Natalie will get to know you and you'll be fine.
50:53
Dani: Yeah.
50:54
I, it's very strange and out of character.
50:56
I guess Emmett's blind spot has always been Bay.
50:59
Kara: Yeah.
50:59
I agree.
51:00
Dani: But I just feel like he's so, like everyone else in his world is Deaf.
51:05
Kara: And he would-
51:05
Dani: You think that he would be like, "Yeah, Bay, you're being an asshole."
51:08
Kara: If he wasn't in love with Bay, he would.
51:11
Dani: Yeah.
51:12
Kara: I agree.
51:13
We are back at the car wash.
51:15
Dani: Mm-hmm.
51:15
Kara: John finds Daphne cleaning up the taco truck, and Daphne's like, "I'm
51:19
gonna bring this ride to East Riverside."
51:23
And John is like, "No you are not."
51:25
Dani: She's like, "Stop trying to limit what I can do," and he's basically
51:29
just like, "I don't know, you're 17."
51:31
" Kara: Guys, it's not about the area.
51:33
It's you being alone at night.
51:35
Dani: At 17 without a fucking permit.
51:37
Kara: Without a permit.
51:38
Dani: And it's like your first time doing it, and then she drops
51:41
all of the produce everywhere.
51:43
And he tries to help, and she's like, "Don't help me." So clearly it's just
51:46
like sh, I don't know, Daphne's got her own thing going on, and I get
51:50
that, but it's frustrating when she's like, "You just don't think I can do
51:54
it 'cause I'm Deaf." And it's like, no, baby, it's 'cause you can't do it.
51:58
Kara: It's because you're a minor.
51:59
Dani: It's 'cause you also can't do it.
52:01
You also have been working with help.
52:03
Kara: It feels like-
52:04
Dani: But no one's with you to help you.
52:05
Kara: I know.
52:06
Dani: You can't run a food truck all by yourself.
52:08
Kara: No, you can't.
52:09
So-
52:09
Dani: I
52:09
Kara: also don't think she should be driving that thing.
52:11
She's not a very good driver.
52:12
We've seen her get in two car accidents.
52:14
Two?
52:15
Dani: Oh, maybe just the one.
52:16
I don't know.
52:17
I just feel like canonically Daphne's not a good driver.
52:19
Kara: I see that for her.
52:20
Dani: Yeah.
52:21
Kara: Yeah.
52:22
Dani: So what, she's gonna drive it all the way over there and
52:24
then cook everything herself and then also run the window?
52:27
You need two people.
52:28
Kara: You need two, at least two people.
52:29
Dani: Yeah.
52:30
So John is like, "Okay, I'll go with you."
52:33
And I think that's a really fair compromise.
52:35
Kara: And she's gonna do it on her terms.
52:36
Great.
52:37
Cool.
52:37
Dani: And her terms are pay what you wish.
52:40
Okay.
52:41
Kara: Okay.
52:41
Sure.
52:41
Dani: Ally.
52:42
Kara: But before that, Regina is storming into Angelo's apartment.
52:45
Dani: Oh, I forgot about this.
52:46
Kara: And then she gets into an elevator, and who is in the
52:49
elevator with her but pregnant Lana.
52:52
Dani: Yeah.
52:52
Kara: And Regina looks at her, and she immediately clocks that this must be
52:56
the person that Angelo got pregnant.
52:58
Dani: Mm-hmm.
52:59
Kara: And they're chatting a little, and one thing we learn
53:02
is that Lana is in med school.
53:04
And I think that's the only information we kinda get.
53:07
Dani: I mean, it's a girl.
53:09
Kara: And it's a girl.
53:09
Dani: The baby's a girl.
53:10
She's, like, six and a half months along.
53:13
Kara: Yes.
53:14
Dani: Pregnancy's going well.
53:15
She's in school.
53:17
Yeah, I feel like I don't know what comes of this for Regina.
53:20
Like, I feel like it just kinda broke her heart.
53:22
Kara: Yeah.
53:23
Dani: But I feel like it should have reassured her.
53:27
Like, okay, this is, like, a normal woman who is, like, choosing to have this baby.
53:32
Kara: Yeah.
53:32
Dani: Everything's gonna be okay.
53:33
Kara: And it probably, it's probably derailing her plans a little bit,
53:35
but she's gonna keep the baby.
53:37
Dani: Yeah.
53:37
Kara: She's gonna have the baby.
53:38
Dani: I know.
53:38
I just think there's really, there should be a co-parenting solution here.
53:41
We're all adults.
53:42
I don't know.
53:43
Kara: Yeah.
53:43
Dani: What's one more kid in this, like, gaggle of kids?
53:47
Kara: Right.
53:47
I think she's feeling just heartbroken 'cause she's like,
53:50
"Well, Angelo has notoriously been a very unreliable father."
53:54
Dani: Fair, but-
53:55
Kara: And who, is she gonna be the one to tell Lana that?
53:58
Dani: I feel like sh- Lana knows that already because when she showed up…
54:02
I guess Regina doesn't know that.
54:03
Kara: Right, like, "These are my two daughters that I didn't raise."
54:06
Dani: Yeah.
54:06
She only showed up because of Angelo's big speech that was in the paper being like-
54:10
Kara: Right
54:11
… Dani: "I'm so sad that I missed out on raising my two daughters."
54:14
Kara: Yeah.
54:15
Now we're in East Riverside.
54:16
It's taco time.
54:18
Daphne's appeasing her white guilt doing the pay what you can,
54:21
and there's a huge line outside.
54:23
People are thrilled about these, uh, free and inexpensive tacos.
54:27
And Javy comes to the truck.
54:29
Daphne's like, "What can I get you?" And he's like, "Get out of here.
54:32
This is not cool."
54:32
Dani: Yeah.
54:33
Kara: Doesn't really explain why.
54:34
I, but I think he's kind of just, like-
54:36
Dani: I mean, I immediately was like, oh yeah, duh, she's parked
54:39
right near his uncle's business-
54:41
Kara: Yes.
54:41
Dani: Giving away free food.
54:43
Kara: Yeah.
54:43
Dani: That's not great-
54:44
Kara: Yes.
54:45
Dani: For the business.
54:46
Kara: John is like, "Anyway, I'm gonna go buy more food 'cause we're running out
54:50
so fast." And while he is out, Daphne is alone in this truck, and it goes dark.
54:55
And that is because Javy has cut the power to her truck, saying, "Your
54:59
free meals is stealing business with my uncle's restaurant."
55:01
And to him, I get it, she's like a rich white girl who doesn't understand.
55:05
Dani: Yeah.
55:06
Yeah, I don't know.
55:07
I think the solution here is she should be like, "Javy, do you
55:09
wanna come work for my food truck?" Is that what ends up happening?
55:12
I don't even know.
55:13
Kara: I don't think so.
55:14
I doubt it.
55:15
He would never work for, like, a rich white girl.
55:18
Dani: I mean, I guess they could go to Mission Hills and he could
55:20
work for a rich white girl, and-
55:22
Kara: I guess
55:22
… Dani: they could charge $6.
55:23
I don't know.
55:24
Kara: Either way, it just doesn't look good for her, for, like,
55:26
this white girl to come into this underserved neighborhood-
55:30
Dani: Yeah
55:30
… Kara: I guess, to take away business.
55:32
Dani: It's tough.
55:33
It's, every-
55:34
Kara: It's a tough economic issue.
55:35
Dani: Every action she thinks is good has also negative impacts.
55:39
Kara: Yes.
55:40
Dani: And that's tough.
55:41
Kara: Yeah, it's a demand displacement.
55:43
Dani: I just think, like, Daphne's 17, and she's biting off more than she can chew.
55:47
Kara: Absolutely.
55:48
Dani: I think it's totally fine if the thing that you do is you run a
55:51
food truck from your daddy's car wash-
55:53
Kara: That's fine.
55:54
Dani: I
55:54
Kara: think that's good.
55:56
Like, I don't think you need to be doing Meals on Wheels.
56:00
It's okay.
56:00
But then she'll later explain that, like, she feels this
56:03
immense responsibility to do this.
56:05
Dani: I think it's coming from a good place, but I'm, like, confused.
56:09
Daphne's about to crash out on John a little bit.
56:12
Kara: They have an interesting conversation.
56:14
They come home, they're unloading the car, and he's trying to make her feel better.
56:18
He's like, "I don't know, some people have haters.
56:20
It's fine.
56:21
You had a great night." And then she gestures to the Kennish house,
56:24
and she goes, "What did we do to deserve all this?" You know, "Why
56:27
do we have everything while s- while some people have so little?"
56:31
Dani: I do really like John going, "I don't know about
56:33
you, but I know what I did."
56:35
Kara: He goes, "I worked hard for this." And she goes, "No, you didn't.
56:39
I mean, like, yes, you worked, but you're lucky." When she
56:43
says lucky, she means privilege.
56:45
Dani: I don't think that that term was being thrown around like that in 2013.
56:49
Kara: Right, 'cause luck is, like, random and unpredictable, but
56:51
privilege is systemic and advantageous.
56:54
Dani: Yeah.
56:55
But I think you- he has privilege and luck.
56:59
I mean, 'cause it's also like how many talented baseball
57:02
players still don't make it-
57:05
Kara: To MLB.
57:06
Dani: To MLB even if they're maybe just as good, and they just like
57:09
aren't picked that year or whatever.
57:11
Kara: Yeah, that's true.
57:12
So he has, he has talent and luck, but he- and then she kinda lectures him
57:17
like, "Well," she didn't say this, but like, "You are a rich white man who was
57:21
born into a, um, a privileged family.
57:25
You got a good education, and you never have to, you never had to worry
57:28
about what career you're gonna have."
57:31
Dani: Yeah.
57:32
Kara: "And maybe you could pursue baseball 'cause you didn't have to
57:34
worry about like getting a job."
57:36
Dani: Mm-hmm.
57:37
It's really interesting to me how much this show uses Daphne as a vehicle
57:42
to explore white privilege and wealth inequality, but they use her far
57:49
less to explore the differences in privilege within the Deaf community.
57:56
Kara: That's a good point.
57:57
Dani: They really don't do a lot of that.
57:58
Kara: And that's 'cause none of the writers were Deaf.
58:00
Dani: Yeah, I guess that's probably-
58:02
Kara: I feel like that's why
58:03
… Dani: why they weren't diving into it, 'cause, like, apart from even
58:06
when Travis is like, "My parents are gonna kick me out when I turn 18"-
58:10
Kara: That's kind of it.
58:11
Dani: She, like… She's like, "Oh, that sucks." Like, there's no, like…
58:15
If I were Daphne, I feel like the thing that I'd feel sick about more is that.
58:19
And obviously she has, in the last season, she had all that, like, "I have this
58:23
weight on me, carrying this community."
58:26
Kara: Right.
58:27
Dani: But she refers to it like a monolith.
58:29
Kara: Yes.
58:29
Dani: She's never really exploring that aspect.
58:32
Kara: She, yeah, she doesn't…
58:33
You're right.
58:33
Dani: I feel like she'll do more of that and I'm just not remembering it,
58:36
but it's just so interesting to be like, yeah, Daphne feels called to
58:40
return to East Riverside all the time to, like, serve her community, but she
58:44
waited until the end of the day to, like, check if Travis wanted tacos.
58:48
I don't know.
58:49
Kara: Yeah, it's strange.
58:50
It's… She feels less ties to the Deaf community, I feel than she,
58:54
than she does to East Riverside.
58:56
Dani: Well, she's Daphne Vasquez.
58:58
Kara: It's Vasquez.
58:59
Dani: It's Vasquez.
59:00
Kara: Yeah.
59:00
Dani: Yeah.
59:01
Kara: I think what John says to Daphne is, um, "It's what you do with the luck
59:05
that counts," which is not entirely true because then I was like, well, Bay has
59:10
never been into schooling, and yet she does go to this elite private school.
59:15
Well, she did.
59:16
Dani: Mm-hmm.
59:17
Kara: So I'm like, n- not entirely luck, it's privilege, guys.
59:20
Dani: Well, yeah, but she just gave all that up to go to Carlton anyway.
59:23
Kara: Sure.
59:24
And she still has privilege there.
59:25
Dani: Not if you asked her.
59:27
Kara: No.
59:27
Dani: If you asked her, she's experiencing adversity for the first time.
59:31
Kara: Yeah.
59:32
Either way, Daphne just, uh, seems like, "I can't take this newfound privilege
59:37
for granted," which is so interesting.
59:39
Dani: Yeah, she has a lot of guilt, and she doesn't know,
59:43
like, a productive way to use it.
59:44
But, like, it's okay that you're 17 and you can't save all the failing
59:49
businesses in East Riverside.
59:50
Kara: No.
59:51
Dani: I don't know.
59:52
I just feel like she's really spiraling about the food truck.
59:54
The amount of times in this episode she goes, "I have a food truck." It's crazy.
59:59
Kara: "I have a business." You just started it today.
1:00:02
Dani: Girl boss, take a break.
1:00:03
It's okay.
1:00:04
Kara: It's fine.
1:00:05
But after this conversation, this makes John do a little self-reflecting.
1:00:08
And he's like, "As state senator, I should be helping."
1:00:11
Dani: I will enact change.
1:00:12
Kara: I should be enacting change for the, the people who are
1:00:16
underserved and can't get things.
1:00:18
Dani: And here's the thing.
1:00:19
I do not trust John to do that job.
1:00:21
Kara: Republican John.
1:00:22
Dani: Yeah, I don't think he's gonna do a good job.
1:00:24
But him and Kathryn are sitting in the kitchen, and they're sharing a bowl
1:00:27
of yogurt or ice cream or something.
1:00:30
I don't know what it is.
1:00:30
Kara: I hope it's ice cream.
1:00:31
Dani: I don't know what it i- it, I don't think there's
1:00:33
anything in the bowl, frankly.
1:00:34
But they're sharing a spoon.
1:00:36
Kara: Sure.
1:00:36
Dani: And they are eating, pretending to eat food off of it, whatever it is.
1:00:40
Kara: Great.
1:00:40
Dani: And I was like, "Oh, that's kinda sweet." But then they call each other
1:00:43
Bill and Hillary and that was less sweet.
1:00:45
Kara: Good night, Hillary.
1:00:46
Dani: Canonically accurate.
1:00:48
Kara: That is true.
1:00:48
Dani: Yeah.
1:00:49
Those characters would love that couple.
1:00:51
Kara: Yeah.
1:00:51
Dani: So.
1:00:51
And then it's the next day at Carlton.
1:00:53
Kara: It is.
1:00:54
Dani: And
1:00:54
Kara: Bay has put on yet another fuck-ass long sleeve outfit.
1:00:57
She's wearing so many layers.
1:00:59
It's polka dots, but it really looks like it's holes in the top at first.
1:01:03
So I was like, "Damn, that's risky." But it's, it's just polka dots, guys.
1:01:06
Don't worry.
1:01:07
No skin was showing at all.
1:01:08
I was too distracted because I knew she was gonna go up to
1:01:11
Natalie, and I was quite stressed-
1:01:13
Dani: Yeah
1:01:13
… Kara: for what was gonna happen.
1:01:14
And she continues simcomming.
1:01:16
Dani: Continues to simcom.
1:01:17
And no, I don't, I don't think anyone ever calls her out for that.
1:01:20
And I know it's for us, but at this point, it's season 2, guys.
1:01:24
I think the audience would've been fine.
1:01:26
Kara: I wish Natalie dropped a line in the middle of her rant
1:01:29
and been like, "And stop that."
1:01:31
Dani: "And close your mouth, bitch."
1:01:32
Kara: Right.
1:01:33
But she goes up to Natalie.
1:01:35
She doesn't really have an awakening of, like, "Oh, I did a bad thing." She just-
1:01:39
Dani: No
1:01:39
… Kara: we don't see that.
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Dani: She's like, "Can we start over?"
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And Natalie's like, "Whatever." And then Bay's like, "Okay,
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clearly that didn't work."
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Kara: That wasn't an apology.
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Dani: Yeah.
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I think Bay says, "What is your problem?"
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Kara: She says, "Sorry for hitting you with the volleyball, but
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you were asking for it, okay?"
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Dani: That's, you were asking for it is crazy.
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Kara: Crazy.
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Just do the first part of that sentence and that would've been fine.
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Dani: Yeah.
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She should've, she should've said, "Sorry I was a volley bitch. I thought
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you were the volley bitch. Turns out I was the volley bitch all along"
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Kara: Right.
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Dani: Right.
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But Natalie's not having it, and then she starts her good lecture, I think.
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She goes, "Everywhere I go in this world I have to accommodate hearing people,
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except at one place, and that's Carlton.
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Kara: But now with this pilot program, everything's gonna be rebuilt around you
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hearing kids, and now there's truly gonna be no safe sa- no safe space for me."
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Dani: Mm-hmm.
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Kara: "And they can put us in the same school, but you will never belong here."
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Dani: Go off, girl.
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Kara: Yeah.
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Punch in the gut to Bay, who has never had to think about it
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this way because she is hearing.
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Dani: Yeah.
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She left Buckner because she felt like she never belonged at Buckner.
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Kara: And now she doesn't belong there, so.
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Dani: But she's choosing to go to another school-
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Kara: Where she's the minority
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… Dani: where she so visibly does not belong.
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Kara: Yeah.
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That is true.
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Dani: That is not a good learning environment for her.
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She is not fluent.
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Kara: I just hope she catches up.
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Dani: This is, like, how my nightmares are.
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This is exactly how my nightmares are- when I ha- when I'm having dreams in
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sign language and I'm stressed out.
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Kara: You always have dreams where someone's signing to you and you don't
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know the-
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Dani: And
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Kara: I don't understand.
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Right.
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Dani: And it's like why would you willingly put yourself in that situation?
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She could've tried public school.
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Kara: That's true.
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Dani: She could've just, she could… I bet there is an insane
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arts private school in Kansas City-
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Kara: I bet
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… Dani: that's like Buckner but for kids that wanna spray paint
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cars or whatever the fuck.
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Kara: That's true.
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It didn't, yeah, Buckner was not the only option, or Carlton.
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Dani: I know for the plot they just had to put her there,
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but I wish they wouldn't have.
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I feel like they're doing character assassination on Bay.
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Kara: Either way, I think being hearing is interestingly li- like
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a lot like being white and rich.
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You know, it's a privileged position.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: So I think it was an interesting path for each of the girls to go down.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: To, like, realize what position they were in.
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Dani: I know.
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I just wish they were less insufferable about it.
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Kara: Yeah.
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That's the end of the episode.
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Dani: That's the end of the episode, guys.
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Kara: Yeah, Natalie says, "You'll never belong," and then that's it.
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Bay just walks away in the hallway sadly.
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Dani: I know they become friends later, so, like-
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Kara: Yeah.
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And her anger is so warranted.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: Every time there's a hearing person in a Deaf space, I'm
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like, "Ugh." Not you, but like-
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Dani: No, I get it
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… Kara: especially if they're speaking, I'm like, "shut up."
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Shut up.
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Dani: Shut up.
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It's just like, why would you put yourself in that position to not…
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Kara: And if you go to a Deaf space, shut up.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Be respectful.
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Kara: Yeah.
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It's a sign of respect, and that's how you learn.
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Dani: Also, simcomming is fucking annoying to do.
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It's harder.
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Kara: It's so hard.
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Dani: It's harder.
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You're making it harder on yourself.
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Kara: And everyone to understand you.
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Dani: Yeah.
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Kara: It doesn't help anyone.
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Dani: I love chocolate milk.
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I love the sign for milk.
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Kara: Oh my God.
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Dani: All right.
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Bye.
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Kara: Bye.
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Thanks for listening.