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Karrueche Tran's Proof That Grace Is A Power Move: Fame, Healing & Building Her Empire (and really good skin) · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
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  Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
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  Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
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  Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
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  Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
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  Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
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  Speaker 1: And who says?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time
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  Speaker 1: to question everything. I'm so embarrassed to tell you why
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  Speaker 1: there hasn't been a podcast for the last two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: I have been in furniture hell, and I say hell
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  Speaker 1: because this design stuff is not for me. I see
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  Speaker 1: my mom, she gets so happy, and even my friends.
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot of girlfriends that get so happy
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  Speaker 1: picking out the furniture, and then when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: all together, like they look at the couch, or they
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  Speaker 1: look at the coffee table and they're like wow, like
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  Speaker 1: that's gorgeous, and I did that.
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  Speaker 2: I am so annoyed.
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  Speaker 1: I have been buying and returning furniture and things look
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  Speaker 1: different in photos online than they do in person, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to go to the store and I
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  Speaker 1: don't care about buying stone, dishes and things to decorate
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  Speaker 1: the credenza with.
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  Speaker 2: Am I alone here.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on an island because everyone I
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  Speaker 1: know enjoys this stuff and is good at it, and
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  Speaker 1: that is just not me. So that's why there hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been a podcast. I have been dealing with furniture. I
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  Speaker 1: basically I promised myself. You guys know, I had a
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  Speaker 1: flood and had to move into temporary housing, and I
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  Speaker 1: basically promised myself that I would have a decoration apartment
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  Speaker 1: by the end of April. I just couldn't live in
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  Speaker 1: the chaos of it all anymore. I wish I could
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  Speaker 1: show you photos of what things look like right now.
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  Speaker 1: For anybody who thinks that I have my life together
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram, they should really come see the podcast studio
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  Speaker 1: of my apartment. Okay, today's a really good episode, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll be worth the wait. Actually I know
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  Speaker 1: it will be, And it's actually very timely because she
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  Speaker 1: just made a lot of news Coachella Weekend. For a
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  Speaker 1: long time, Karucci Tran was known in the media as
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  Speaker 1: someone's ex, a plus one, a name and a headline.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't even speak out much. She didn't defend herself loudly.
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  Speaker 1: She just stayed the course gracefully, and then she started
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  Speaker 1: building brick by brick. In the years since, Krucci has
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  Speaker 1: quietly and powerfully built a career that she wants dreamed of.
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  Speaker 1: She's an Emmy winning actress, a beauty entrepreneur, a jewelry designer,
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  Speaker 1: and honestly, at her core, she's just still the girl
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  Speaker 1: from La who likes her house tidy and her heart socked.
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  Speaker 2: I try to be as positive as I can. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not perfect. I'm a work in progress.
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  Speaker 1: When people told her to write a tell all, she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: When Reality TV called, she declined. Instead, she focused on
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  Speaker 1: her crap, acting, her skincare, her peace, her people. She
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  Speaker 1: told me she likes incense every morning for her father
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  Speaker 1: and her grandfather who have passed, That she dreams of
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  Speaker 1: living on an island one day, eating fresh fruit and
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  Speaker 1: growing her vegetables. That she loves a good cryo tool
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  Speaker 1: and an even better cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I just stayed true to who are
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  Speaker 2: I the girl from La, you know, and just kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuck with that and just went with my thought.
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  Speaker 2: I do like that I can be graceful and I
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  Speaker 2: can take the high road. Always maintained my integrity.
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  Speaker 1: She booked roles, she took acting classes, faced rejection, some
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  Speaker 1: more rejection, healed, auditioned again. She launched a jewelry line
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  Speaker 1: inspired by her Vietnamese heritage and La roots, and now
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  Speaker 1: Roucci Beauty, which is available on Amazon for the very
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  Speaker 1: first time. And it's a brand rooted in story and
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  Speaker 1: integrity and real self care, all things she cares about.
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  Speaker 1: And now for Emmy's a beauty brand and a full
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  Speaker 1: life later. Carucci is living proof that you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to shout to be seen.
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  Speaker 2: I miss out on a lot of big money grab opportunities,
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  Speaker 2: but it didn't feel right. And there's so much power
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  Speaker 2: in that, right, because the easy thing to do is
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  Speaker 2: to clap back, to cash in, to turn your Instagram
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  Speaker 2: feed into a park bench and let the world tell
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  Speaker 2: your story for you, or I don't know, trade your
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  Speaker 2: pain and for press. But no matter what.
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  Speaker 1: Was thrown her, Carucci, she just kept it cute. She
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  Speaker 1: took the long road, the high road. And you know
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  Speaker 1: what's funny is I was preparing for this conversation. There
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  Speaker 1: were so many articles written about her as Chris Brown's
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  Speaker 1: ex the restraining order of it. All those articles have
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  Speaker 1: not been buried by Google, even by all of her accomplishments.
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  Speaker 1: But the real story, the story I heard from her
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  Speaker 1: and felt from her as she sat across from me,
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  Speaker 1: was that Carucci's always been her own main character. She
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  Speaker 1: just kind of happened to rewrite the narrative in real time.
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  Speaker 1: So who is Carucci today? Well, she's definitely looking at
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  Speaker 1: dating differently.
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  Speaker 2: I have to go through that rollocoster to see what
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  Speaker 2: you are willing to are and aren't willing to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: She's also thinking about what she wants her life to
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  Speaker 1: look like in the next five years.
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  Speaker 2: Do I want to be a forty year old first
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  Speaker 2: time mom? I don't know. I'm trying to let go
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  Speaker 2: of like what I think it should be. They let
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  Speaker 2: go of that structure and just lead into being present.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, God's like, you don't need a man
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  Speaker 2: or a man. It's not for you, and maybe that's
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  Speaker 2: what it is.
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  Speaker 1: So the big question we're circling in this episode is
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  Speaker 1: can grace be your superpower even in a world that
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  Speaker 1: rewards the opposite. I guess we'll find out. It's time
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  Speaker 1: to question everything with Kuruci Tran. So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's so good to be Cruci right now. And I
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  Speaker 1: know that's like the weirdest, most journalistic things to say,
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  Speaker 1: but it really is, like, how do you feel being
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  Speaker 1: an Emmy winner?
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  Speaker 2: Nuts like in a good way, because I I kind
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  Speaker 2: of forget sometimes. Yeah, is it weird that, like how
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  Speaker 2: do other people do this? Do they like not think
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  Speaker 2: about their accomplishments all the time, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like sometimes when I do interviews or when
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  Speaker 2: I see people and they bring it up, I'm like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I do, I am. I do have four AM Like
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy and such like a great way to tell
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  Speaker 2: my journey and my story and it's a blessing.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I need like a flow chart to
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  Speaker 1: keep up with you. I just want a stylist, Emmy
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  Speaker 1: winning actress, beauty entrepreneur, jewelry design.
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  Speaker 2: You are really doing all of the things. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to like live life and exceed all
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  Speaker 2: opportunities in the most authentic way possible, trying to just
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  Speaker 2: do what's near and dear to my heart and have fun.
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  Speaker 2: Like That's what I'm learning most about life right now.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, have fun try new things. If it
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  Speaker 2: works amazing. If it doesn't, it's okay. I'm so blessed
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  Speaker 2: to sit in a place where I can have this
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  Speaker 2: platform where I am able to do all these things,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: But there was something I recognized when I was like
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  Speaker 1: doing all my research, and it's that you did not
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  Speaker 1: come from a Hollywood family. You didn't have formal acting training,
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  Speaker 1: like an acting background, and yet here you are sitting
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  Speaker 1: on all of these accomplishments. Do you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: still have.
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  Speaker 2: More to prove or have you already won? I kind
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  Speaker 2: of feel like once I did Clause, that was kind
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  Speaker 2: of like my stamp of approval or however you want
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  Speaker 2: to say, Like that's what people really took me serious,
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  Speaker 2: which felt great because before Clause I had done so
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  Speaker 2: many other things low budget or indie, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: so even STI to this day, people you know, talk
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  Speaker 2: about Clause. Why do you think that is? I think
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  Speaker 2: because it was on such a big network and so
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  Speaker 2: people work, and because before everything was kind of little
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  Speaker 2: budget or independent or not on a such a big platform,
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  Speaker 2: and because it was on T and T and TNT
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  Speaker 2: is amazing they have the budget to one. It was
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  Speaker 2: such a just a great show. But also I think
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  Speaker 2: visually people saw I mean, we had a freaking billboard
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  Speaker 2: on Sunset, like the big one that's across the street
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  Speaker 2: from Soho House, and seeing that and also in Times Square.
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  Speaker 2: One time I was in New York and I went
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  Speaker 2: to go see our billboard Time Square. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what is a life? Like such a moment crazy, like
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  Speaker 2: just you know, and just such a blessing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I felt like, I think you've been underestimated
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  Speaker 1: throughout your career. Do you think that there have been
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  Speaker 1: misconceptions about you early on?
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  Speaker 2: For sure? Because you know, a lot of people saw
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  Speaker 2: me in the media for certain things. So when you
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  Speaker 2: become associated with that not look but just that that
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  Speaker 2: title or that type of messaging and not knowing me
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  Speaker 2: from before, then it's you're that's what I become. And
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  Speaker 2: so when I try to, you know, transition over, it's
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  Speaker 2: like does she have what it takes? Is she just
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  Speaker 2: using her platform? Is she you know? You know, because
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  Speaker 2: I don't come from a Hollywood family or you know,
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  Speaker 2: pro training as far as being an actor, they're kind
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  Speaker 2: of like, you know, unsure, which is like I get it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I did work hard to make my
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  Speaker 2: way up and you know, took lots of acting classes
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  Speaker 2: and media training classes and you know, really took the
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  Speaker 2: time to just focus and be like this is what
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  Speaker 2: I want to do and I'm going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's hard because this business, which I'm sure you know,
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  Speaker 2: is tough, like being told no all the time, being disappointed,
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  Speaker 2: being let down, or thinking you killed an audition and
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  Speaker 2: it's like you don't get it. The craziest thing to
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  Speaker 2: me is like there's two types of ways like auditions go.
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  Speaker 2: It was like you think you killed it, you don't
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  Speaker 2: get it, you don't hear anything. Then when you think
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  Speaker 2: you did crappy or like terrible, that's when you book it.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like it's such a hard thing to grasp of,
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  Speaker 2: like am I doing okay? Am I doing good? Or
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  Speaker 2: am I not?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's life though, Like audition wise changed for
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  Speaker 1: you after some of the success you have, or are
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  Speaker 1: you still like going in and auditioning for every role?
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  Speaker 2: Both Some deals are offers where I don't have to audition,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm very much still auditioning and still doing seft tapes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I love that you have that hustle in you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it is what it is. I
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  Speaker 2: can't and this may be why I forget about my
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  Speaker 2: Emmy's because I can't sit here and say, oh, I
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: have Emmy. So I'm not going to audition, Like let's
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  Speaker 2: be real, you know what I mean? Like, no, that's
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  Speaker 2: I know the name of the game, and that's just
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  Speaker 2: kind of what it is. And I want to continue
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  Speaker 2: this career and I'm very still passionate about it, and
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  Speaker 2: if I have to sell tape an audition, that's what
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  Speaker 2: I gotta do. So I'm gonna do it.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've been strategic about your career
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  Speaker 1: or you just like a leap and look at like
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  Speaker 1: almost like are you a look before you leap person
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  Speaker 1: or just a leap and then figure it out later.
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  Speaker 2: Both because I like structure and I want to be
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  Speaker 2: able to be prepared and to know what's coming. And
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  Speaker 2: like usually I'll ask my team like what is she
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  Speaker 2: going to ask me? What are the questions? D da
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  Speaker 2: da da? But I'm like let that go because I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you just gotta you just gotta live your life
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  Speaker 2: and be prepared and just whatever happens happened, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta like kind of get out of my mind
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to that, you live and you learn,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm learning to just take a deep breath and
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  Speaker 2: just let go because again, I like so much structure,
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  Speaker 2: and I kind of sometimes get stuck into whatever I
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  Speaker 2: thought was whatever was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me more about that, Like what do you
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  Speaker 1: mean when you say, like, oh, is that something.
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  Speaker 2: You're actively working on? Because you're anxious, because like what
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  Speaker 2: is the what's the opposite? I think, just trying not
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  Speaker 2: to box myself into again, whatever it might be an
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  Speaker 2: interview or a scene, Like if you gave me your
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  Speaker 2: questions today, I would have prepared for that and I
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: would have been like reciting what I already thought about
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  Speaker 2: instead of being present. Do you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And then I and then my mind gets distracted, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, she just asked me. Okay, so her
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: next question is going to be, so how was it?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's like I am
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  Speaker 2: trying to let go of that. And so maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: more so just trying to be more present and not
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  Speaker 2: have too much control where I can't always have control.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that makes the like I feel like something
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  Speaker 1: in your life sparked a shift or is it just
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  Speaker 1: like a gradual you've been in the business, you've been
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  Speaker 1: doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I think just from being in the business and learning
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  Speaker 2: to let go of control. Like for example, when I'm
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: on set and I you know, it's study for it
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  Speaker 2: a see in a certain way, and I've had to
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, shoot, i gotta like figure this out
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  Speaker 2: in like thirty seconds because we're about to roll, you know.
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  Speaker 2: So I think just trial and tribulation, just learning, Like
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  Speaker 2: I could be stuck in my ways and just be
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  Speaker 2: like that, or I can take it for what it
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  Speaker 2: is and just grow and then be prepared for when
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  Speaker 2: it happens, because it's gonna happen. Yeah, that's the point.
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  Speaker 1: So are you still the friend that everybody texts in
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  Speaker 1: like an emergency for their outfit, because like, I know,
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  Speaker 1: you're not actively styling, but like if we knew each other,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be my first text. My title in our group
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  Speaker 1: is like the resident stylist.
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  Speaker 2: And like the girls will come over like I'm just like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: what else, what other options do you have? Come over?
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  Speaker 2: Like I might have this or the like, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: the resident stylist.
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  Speaker 1: So but even still very graceful about telling them the
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  Speaker 1: fit is horrible, yeah, cause I won't be rude.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my girl, the just just what other what other options?
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  Speaker 2: What else do you have? That's like the nice way,
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  Speaker 2: And they do it to me sometimes too. No, I'm oh, absolutely,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: but you yeah, but sometimes you need a second opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Or sometimes I don't know. So if I'm going to
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: any events or if we're going somewhere right and I
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: have a couple options to take photos and I say
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  Speaker 2: which one, They'll all have their own opinion on what
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: it is. And sometimes I tell me what other options
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  Speaker 2: do you have? What else do you have? And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: back to the drawing boy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny if somebody, like I always
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: think if somebody found my phone, they would never see
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: me like sexting a guy. They would see me like
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: half shirtless, like be texting my best friend, like do
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  Speaker 1: these hants look okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? No, same, and all of a sudden photos like
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: my hair is like crazy and like it look at
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  Speaker 2: a mess.
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  Speaker 1: But it's what as girls too totally, I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: because I know you're good friends with Christina Milion and
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  Speaker 1: Sweetie and I've met both of them, and they are
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  Speaker 1: so nice, Like you feel like you are friends with
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  Speaker 1: nice people.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Is it like that you can sit with us crew? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's just like the energy that we share
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  Speaker 2: as women. I know Christina a little more than Sweetie,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's just like in aura and energy,
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  Speaker 2: we just like get each other. Yeah, and we have fun.
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  Speaker 2: We share the same experiences as far as like dealing
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: with yes and drama and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So we're just like minded and we're not mean girls.
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  Speaker 2: You like hype each other up and stuff for sure.
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  Speaker 2: For sure that's what you know, what friends and what
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  Speaker 2: girls are supposed to do. I feel like compliments are
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  Speaker 2: much better from girls than guys. It means more, you know.
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  Speaker 1: In per Yeah, girls are they don't throw them out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like if I say something to another girl,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it exactly and she knows you mean it too.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like you're just saying like, oh you look,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like you actually mean that.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like gen Z is really good at it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like they really hype each other up. I was at
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: a restaurant in Vegas. I was on a date and
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  Speaker 1: this girl was like, she was so young and cute.
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  Speaker 1: She must have been like twenty one. And she comes
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: over to the table and gives us our menus and
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: looks at me and she goes, you are so pretty.
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  Speaker 1: But she did it in front of him, which was
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: so so, you know, like he needs to know, like
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  Speaker 1: you look good.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know the girls way like they're the best.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, yeah, are we gen Z? I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: don't know howege are? But what age group is gen Z?
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  Speaker 1: They're young, We're millennial, millennial.
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  Speaker 2: I'm thirty four, okay, so they're the generation after Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're right below us.
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  Speaker 1: And then I think it's jen Al. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about them.
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  Speaker 2: Can't keep up, cannot keep up. How important were girlfriends
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  Speaker 2: in your life when you were really going through it?
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  Speaker 2: Very important? The thing with me is I am very
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: private and personal. So even when I'm going through something,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: sometimes they don't even know because I just like deal
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: with it on my own. But like the major shifts
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: in my life, I did have a lot of my
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: girlfriends around to help me and support me, and they
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: kind of understand me too and how I am. So
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: it's more so like maybe just like physically being there
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and maybe like we're not talking about it or maybe
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: like in that moment, but they know you know when
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to show up for me and what I need support.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And I feel like as we're growing, we're all learning
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: each other and what we all need separately, you know.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: So having real supportive girlfriends is so important. And I'm
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: lucky that I have friends from like my closest friends
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: are from high school in middle school, so we've all
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: grown together and have seen each other mature over the years,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: and we've learned how each other is. So it's just
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: nice and refreshing. And anytime I tell people like, you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: some of my girlfriends are from high school in middle school,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: they're like, what, that's crazy. And I never really unders
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: or realized that people didn't have those same type of
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: lasting relationships or friendships.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: They watched that a Young Love video and I was
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: reading that afterwards you were like I couldn't get out
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of my bed, Like I just wanted to shut out
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, what's the nine one one called to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the girlfriends like, are you like just come lay with
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: me in my bed?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I need food? Like what do you need? In those moments,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the nine to one one call probably silence, which they
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: probably recognize and because I also don't like to ask
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: for help or anything like that, because I think I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: could do everything on my own, even I can't. So again,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: it's just like pulling up and them just physically being there,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: whether it's laying in bed, laying on my couch, probably
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: bringing me food and like smoothies and coconut waters and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: all the things that I'm probably not even worried about
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: or focused on.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm projecting, but I feel like because I'm thirty
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: four and not married, not in a relationship, yeah, and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like one of the huge gifts of it
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: is like I've really been able to cultivate these friendships,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Like I have so much time to pour into my
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: girlfriends and vice versa.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Do you feel that, Yeah. I think about how life
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: would be so different if I was married and if
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I had kids. I wouldn't be able to me, wouldn't
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: be it. It's like, oh, let's go to dinner tonight.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I like, let's get some drinks and have food and calling,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you know, like it would just be so different. And
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: because of that, because I have that freedom, I'm able
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: to do more with them, even if it's just like
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: come over my house and I'll cook, let's just hang out.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It's different when you have a man in the house
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: or you have kids. It might not be you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: as free or as fun, or we're not you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: maybe we're not gonna be able to have the same
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: girl talk that we wouldn't be able to have if
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a man was there. You know. They require a lot
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of attention. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I fat
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: like when I do get married, my husband needs to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: have a man cave. So it's like, because I like space, you.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Need like your own glamor room, and they need a man.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, do your thing. I'll do my thing. You want
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: to get married, I do. Yeah, I sound hesitant because like,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: for me, what's most important is like the foundation and
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the connection and the relationship. I feel like growing up
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: society is like this big thing about weddings and getting married,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and like I really feel it's just like piece of
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: paper in a sense, you know what I mean, in
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: some form. So it's like the little Disney girl in
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: me wants to have a wedding because like we all
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: grow up wanting this beautiful wedding, right, But what does
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: all that mean if it's not the right person or
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you're not happy you know, so like my main focus
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: isn't like I need to get married. That's okay, So
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I would have got married a lot time. It's easy
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to find. It's easy to find somebody, you know, especially
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: for you. Yeah you could have, but just you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and it's it's important for me to have the right person.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So I think right now, what's important is finding the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: right person first.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Do you ever feel time pressure?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, girl, this this clock is ticking. So it's like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: but what is age? What is time? You know? And
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: it's again that's like society standards of a house with
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the green grass and the white pick of fence and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the dog and the two kids, and you know, it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: like so we think it's supposed to look a certain way.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: So I'm trying to tap out of that because every
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: time I tell people like I want kids, I'm thirty
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: six and my biological clock is sticking. It's that other
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: like you're still young, and women now from when I've
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: kind of read, they're having babies older, so it's still doable.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Like it's fine, like women are having kids in their forties. Yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: do I want to be a forty year old first
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: time mom? I don't know but I don't. You know, again,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to let go of like what I think
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: it should be, and let go of that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Structure and just lead into being present.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, God's like you don't need a man,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: or a man is not for you, And maybe that's
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: what it is, because like I'm very content with being
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: like in my own space. Yeah, you know, I want
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to live on an island when I get older and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: like have a garden and grow on my own. Where
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: are we go in Jamaica? Jamaica would be nice, Jamaica,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Costa Rica, Belize. A lot of people are talking about Portugal,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: but Portugal is like far. I kind of still want
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: to be close enough to hear to the States. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I have to find somebody that aligns with that idea too,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of wanting.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: That's interesting because I think so few people ask that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: question on dates, Like nobody asks like what does ideal
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: retirement look like? Because we don't think you know, in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: forty years. But that's a big deal, yeah, because what
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: do you seek as happiness? So what do you foresee
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to be happiness for you?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And like I see myself being on an island, paking
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: my fruits and veggies and making ceramics and caruci. I know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: like the real meat is so chill, no idea and
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: basic and like one with nature. You're kind of a
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: hippie a little bit. Yeah, like a modern day is hippie.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I guess do you late incense? I like incense every
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: morning because in the Vietnamese culture you like incense for
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: girls have passed before my dad and my grandpa. I
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: light and says in the morning, I don't love thank you.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I don't love incense in the house because it messes
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: up my allergies. As you can hear, I'm already congested,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: and then I start sneezing like crazy, and it's just
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: like too much.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: You've had a lot of career pivots, and in La
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: they call people slashers, where it's like actress slash, business
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: owners slash and a lot of people can't do it
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: well because they can't focus and they try a million
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: things and nothing works. You seem to try a lot
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of things and a lot of things work. And I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: don't mean to say that to like blow smoke up
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: your ass. I'm genuinely curious, how, like, what's the method
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to the madness?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Well, some things have worked better than others. Somethings didn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: work quite well at all. But I think what's important.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: What I've learned to be important and to be successful
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: is staying true and genuine and authentic to you. So
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: when I did my jewelry collection, the first two collections
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I based off my Vietnamese heritage and my Black La
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: culture upbringing. I guess you should, I could say. So.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: The Vietnamese collection had like jade pieces because Jada is
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: very big in the Vietnamese community. And then the other collection,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: we did a lot of like La nineties type pieces,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and those are the collections that did the best because
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I portrayed that image and I told that story. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Estevan Oriol he's like a freaking iconic LA photographer. He's
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the one that did you know this this original photo,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: He's the one that took that photo. Wow. Yeah. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: so he blessed me and shot the collection, the LA collection,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And that was a part of the plan too, because
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: if I'm going to do an LA collection, I got
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: to get somebody that you know what I mean, Like
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: this phono right here is so like crazy. Anybody knows
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: that photo, you know, especially you being from La. Really
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: like it means something exactly exactly. So doing things like
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that where it comes from the heart and it's really you,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and it's not just me slapping my name on some
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: pieces just because this brand, you know, wanted to collab
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And now here we have this random collection,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: you know, even with Roucci Beauty, which I just launched
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: in December, that collection, the pieces, the tools that we
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: started with all come from a personal story of mine.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And there are tools that I've created because they help
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: different things that I've always struggled with, like your personal
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: pain points. Yeah. So like that cryo tool, which is
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: like an ice tool. I grew up putting spoons in
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the freezer. I'm like put them under my like the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: old classic white put them under my eyes. Or if
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I'm prepping for a set or a photo shoot or something,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I would get an ice cube and rub it on
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: my face to just kind of like wake my face up,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: tighten up my face, tighten up my porest, kind of
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: sculpt it a little bit. Yeah, or I do like
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: ice face beats. So I was like, I want to
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: as I was thinking about, because beauty is something that
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: I've like loved and I've grown on this journey, my journey,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I've e it's grown so much, and so I was like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I need to do a cry come. I'm always talking about,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: like or showing on Instagram. I'm like that I'm doing
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: this icing. I'm like, I need to create something for that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious about your beauty journey. What do you
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: mean by that?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I say that because I didn't know anything about beauty
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: fifteen twelve years ago. I don't know how to do
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: my makeup now. I am so picky with makeup because
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I've had that experience trial and tribulation where somebody done
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: my makeup and then they did a wingliner and it
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: was too much. And at the time I didn't realize.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: But looking back at the photo, it's not the worst.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: They're like, why do you make me look You're supposed
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to be the professional expert.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on set, do whatever you want because I'm that character.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: But if it's me Carucci, I'm like, I have my
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: things I don't like. I don't like highlighter on my
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: face because highlighter washes me out. I in my opinion,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: it does. I like to be contour. They're like more
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: so defined, so I don't like highlighter here. I don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: like a lot of shimmer on the eyes. I rarely
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: want to do like a glittery shimmery moment because I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: just don't like the way it looks. I like Max.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I like my makeup to kind of accentuate my eyes
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: this way. I don't like when the shadow is up
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: here because it just doesn't look right. I don't like
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: a big lash. It closes my eyes, it's too heavy,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: because I've had that experience before. So I am very
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: picky with Mike Lamb.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But you have an aesthetic, and so I get why
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you're picky. I actually think that people like a lot
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of times in our age range credit Hayley Bieber with
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: like the soft glam look. You were the original you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: did the soft glam. I feel like you need to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: get more credit for that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I have no makeup make up? Yeah, yeah,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: because it's I think what works best for me and
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: it's what I like. I just like to accentuate my
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: face and not do too much or go too heavy.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: So tell me more about your beauty journey. What do
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: you mean by that?
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: So also, outside of like makeup, I've learned so much
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: about my skin because my skin is my money maker.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And when you're on set all day and you're wearing
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: a full face of makeup, you got to take care
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of it, you know. So I've had two lots of
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: trial and tribulation of trying to figure out what works
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: best for my skin. And I know my skin now.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: That's like I always believe that if we listen to
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: our bodies, our bodies will always tell us what it needs.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: So my skin to get a little oily. So sometimes
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I need a primer, I need this,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I like this type of setting powder. Anything. Any skincare
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: product with vitamin C don't love because it's too harsh.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: It breaks me out. Did you deal with any acne?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Was that part of no?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I was blessed, I will, It's half of my skincare.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: My skin is because I was blessed with good grape genes.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I shout out to my mom and dad. But I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: also do take care of my skin. Again, because my
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: face is always on camera, and so I got to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: take care of it. And once I started to realize,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: once I started to get into products, it was just
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a snowball effect of like, oh my gosh, serums and
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: skin boosters, essence moisturizers, ee creams, eye patches. I love
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: an eye patch. That's what I want to do in
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: my collection too. At some point I do eye patches because.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I'm used to those. I love eye patches the.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Same, and I'm like, when I'm tired, I'm tired and
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: it shows. And that's another reason why I use the
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: ice cryod tool. But I love eye patches. I love
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: at home facials, like at home remedies like making a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: yogurt and honey mask and there you go.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: You're a hippie. Yeah, have you had them moment building
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Ruccie that you felt like, whoa, this is harder than
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I expected.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the whole process because the way you just
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: looked at me. Yeah, it's like you nobody sees anything
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: until it's just done and it's presented to the world.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But like it's been years that we've been working on this.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Finding the name of a brand is the hardest part
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: because that is the brand, and it's like that can
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: make or break, in my opinion, a brand. You know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: it's like how much attraction and intrigue does it have?
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: How long of a name? And we went through so
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: many different names, came up with Rouccie beauty rue obviously
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: coming from my name. Chi Chi is my Vietnamese name.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: It also means energy, it does. Yeah, so again bringing
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: me into.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've lived up to your name too.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: That's so cool.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool. Think you So, I was looking
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: at the nanomister and your refreshed kit. Yes, it kind
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of looks like something out of a sci fi movie.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: But was there a moment where you were testing and
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you were like, is this gonna work? Like? Is there
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: is there so much trial and error? Yeah, we went
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: through different models.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Some didn't work as well or like the part that
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: you slide down wasn't as easy. Some of them, the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: mist didn't come out the right way. And that's why
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I love the one that we have because the way
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: the mist is so powerful. But then also also like
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: really gets into your skin.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like skincare feels like this exclusive club sometimes,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: like there's actives and layering and slugging and words that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: sometimes I don't even know what they mean. Is there
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: an underrated.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Beauty hack so to speak that you use that like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: isn't all over TikTok underrated beauty hack?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: You think people should know about what do I do?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Well, they should use Richie Beauty, don't care what do
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I do? I mean, I think, and this is probably
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: all over TikTok, but I think that something that people
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: should be doing is at home remedies. I love a
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: good product that is great for the skin. There's plenty
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: of om but people don't realize that there's so much
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: that you can just do at home. An avocado mask,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: avocado and honey, like I said, yogurt and honey, oatmeal masks,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: certain coffee masks you can do because on everybody can
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: afford certain things, you know, and besides that it's all natural,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and so I imagine you in the kitchen like baking out.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Alovara is really great that you can use for your
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: hair or your skin. Yeah, I think that's.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I saw that one of the pillars of the brand
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: is self care, and I know that's really important to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: you outside of like skincare or remedies. Is there something
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: that you do that really feels like self care to you?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Every morning, I have a delicious cup of coffee. That's
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: my self care one of But like I I love coffee.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I just love the taste of it. It's just so
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: good and I love it in the morning, and I
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: love waking up, brushing my teeth, going downstairs and making
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: a cup of coffee and just like having my first
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: couple of SIPs. I don't know why. That just like
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: fulfills me in so many ways. And when I don't
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: get my coffee, I'm like, I need's sore at coffee.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But like, do you think about it at night? Yeah,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: like I'm gonna go to sleep, I'm gonna wake up,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna have some coffee. And one of my
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: other friends we like talked about this sometime. Her name
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: was jen Ly and she was on Claws. We She
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: just texted me the other day and she was like,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: do you still love as love coffee as much as
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I do? And I said yes, And she shares the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: same sentiments. She just loves a good cup of coffee
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: in the morning.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: You're part of a club of people who I'm the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: same way. It's like I feel like almost like an indulgence,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Like I like love myself when I'm having coffee. Yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: it just feels totally feels.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Good when it wakes you up. Yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: You described your role on clause as the role that
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: made people take you seriously earlier. I think a lot
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of times our personal lives and professional lives like rise together.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Like the more we grow personally, the more expansive our
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: careers become. And I feel like you hit this new
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: moment with Clause, and I'm kind of wondering what was
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: happening personally that you had this blossoming during Clause.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I didn't realize that was the moment
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: in the very beginning that people were going to start
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: taking me seriously until I did the first season and
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: people were saying it, you know what I mean. It
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: was like I booked in and was like, oh, this
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: is on T and T, people are gonna take me serious.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like that for me. It was nuttil afterwards. Yeah,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: and people were like, oh my god, like you do
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: like this is huge, like wow, and like people would
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: say like no offense, but like after you did this,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: like wow, you're really serious about this, and I was like, oh,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I've been serious. But it's all the hard work, yeah,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And it's all perception, you know. Like while I was
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: filming Clause the first season, like I don't want to
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: say I was. I wasn't struggling. I was just in
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: the moment of being a part of such a huge
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: production with a huge network, having to work alongside Nassy Dash,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Jen Lyon, Carrie Preston, Julie Rayes, Harold Paranos, like my
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: TV boyfriend grew up watching I grew up watching him,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Like so it was just so like I just I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. But then also like I was in
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it to where like I was pushing myself, like get
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: it together, like make sure you're really tapped in because
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the everybody else is like seasoned veterans a list, like
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: they're on they're just on their gage just because they're
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: fucking amazing, you know what I mean. I'm like I
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: got to make sure I'm right there with them, because
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm right there with the girls. It's five of us,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you know. And I didn't want to slack and be
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the one that's like, oh she you know, she's like
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the the one that doesn't really have it together whatever
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: it is, you know. I'm like I had to really
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: focus and really push myself. And did you change your
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: lifestyle at all? Were you like not going out not
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: like were you fully focused? Then No, I'm gonna be
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: completely honest, No, during during filming, yeah, I was focused. Yeah,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: but outside stuff like afterwards, I wasn't. I was still
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: living my life. That's so good. I think now where
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I am is where I'm finding like pulling back from
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: clubbing and just doing things that like I don't really
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: find as fun, like really tapping into my Auntie era
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: of just I told you I went out Sunday to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the Gold Party during Oscars weekend and it was a
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: five am night. And when you get older, it hits different.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm like, how did I used to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: go out and for you know, to whatever time and
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: do this the next day? Like it's crazy and I
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: love my rest. Yeah, and so it's just different. It's
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: more so like let's maybe have dinner. I don't even
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: drink as much as I used to. You know, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: have dinner with the girls. They'll come over and get
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: on the couch, or I'll like cook book or you know,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: order some food or whatever. But yeah, I'm just not
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: doing the same going out just because I'm like preserving
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: my energy.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I read that you almost quit acting.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was before clause. So what was going on?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I wasn't booking much at all, and my agency at
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: the time, was like, what do you want to do?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: This is you know, are you still passionate about this?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: You know that's a brutal conversation. Oh gosh. I was
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: like help. And I listened to the you know, little
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: voice in the back of my head and I listened
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to my heart and I was like, no, I still
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I still want to do this. Something is telling me keep,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: don't give up just yet. And I think that's when
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I got even more involved in my acting classes and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: everything and got probably a little more serious and focused,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and then I booked cloth.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: That's so wild.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you must have felt like an exhale. Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: When I got the call that I booked that, I
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: was like, yes, m h, Like, I'm so glad that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't give up and let any outside opinions or
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: whatever just kind of throw me off.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Were you practiced at that, because if I can be
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: really honest with you, I'm so struck by how you
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: were able to do you amiss all the noise, like
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you said at one point.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Like I think the exact quote was that everyone thought
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: you were known as somebody's exa, but you fully stepped
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: out onto your own and I'm not sure that.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: People that live outside of LA or Hollywood could fully
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: understand how hard that is.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because again people saw me in the media
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: for one thing, you know, and for somebody who wanted
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to do something with their lives. It's like I had
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: to just focus on me and drown out all the noise.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Like how did you do that? I mean it was
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a struggle. It wasn't like I was it was easy peasy.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Especially with social media. I had to literally put my
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: phone down because you can really become sucked into that,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: into the comments and what people are saying and this,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: that and the other. And especially at a time where
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't have anything going on for myself, you know
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, I mean you did, but you're
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: not in the same way, but in the same way
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: where now it's like, Okay, I can work on this
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: and focus on this. It's like do I go back
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: to to you know what I mean? Like what where
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: does this go? And there were opportunities to do like
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: reality TV and those type of things, and I was like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: that's not the direction that I want for my career. Wow,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: because if I want to do acting, then maybe they're
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: not going to take me seriously. If I'm doing you
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: knew back then that that's what you wanted to do. Yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: shortly after the you know, a relationship whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: shortly after that.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you really had foresight, like you had something
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: in your mind that maybe other people didn't see, but
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you saw something.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I had an opportunity that was presented to me
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: to act, and so it was a very very small role.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I had one line and I was like, I'll try,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: I'll take a shot at like, you know, I've never
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: acted before, but you know, let's do it. And I
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: did it. And I was like so nervous that day
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and so scared, but I did it. I was intrigued
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: and it sparked an interest and from there I was like, Okay,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do this. But I knew that I
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: had to do to catch up. I had to take
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the act of classes and all that. And that's what
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: led me to hear.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Was there a moment where you felt like you fully
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: stepped out on your own and like left all that behind.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably later down the line, maybe around clause really yeah,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: because kind of far down the line. Yeah. I mean
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: people even still to this day, some people are like, oh,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: you're didadadas ex. I'm like, sure, like whatever, cool. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: to think that it was that so long ago they
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: still correlated too, is like, so I don't know if
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I can't read people's minds. I don't know if that's
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: just when they see me that's what they think of
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: or I don't. I don't know, but that took a
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: long time to kind of separate because again, that's all
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: people knew. The world was presented to me in that way,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So I think that that would feel so strange because
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I think about, like somebody I dated ten years ago,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and like that feels like a whole nother lifetime.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I don't even know that person. Yeah, I mean for me,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I had to just like take it for what it is,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: and like, look, I guess if you date somebody on
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: that type of that type of stature, it's like, I
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: guess that's what it comes with, you know what I mean.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't expect it in that during
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that time, you know, but yeah, it is what it is,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and that's what people think. So it's like I guess.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: But now it's like I don't let it affect me
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: because I've grown to a point where like I don't
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: really feed into people's comments or whatever they say as
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: much as I used to. It's kind of just like whatever, Okay,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: that's what you want to think, you know, I'm not
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: going to be like I'm not I'm corroachiating. I don't
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: send it like I'm not gonna like what do we
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like for what you know? And it's like
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: they'll know soon enough. Yeah, yeah, And that's the thing.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: And I have other things happening, So it's like I
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: don't have to prove anything to anybody. If you want
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to think of me as this person said, then yeah, fine,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm still gonna be home on my couch, yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: making my tea or my home remedies or my mask whatever,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: you know. I'm still going to live my life and
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: do what I do.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: So, you like, throughout all the things in your career,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you've always remained really graceful. And I remember, like at
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the height of all the stuff with your ex, yes,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: people always were like yeah, but she's like above it all,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Like you never talked a lot to the press, You
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: never like you never did the reality shit, Like you
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: could have cashed in on some things and you always
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: just did you have somebody guiding you?
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Or is that just like your own compass? It was
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: me just sticking true to me and what I felt.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I was blessed to grow up with morals and standards,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you know, my parents, my parents, my godfam that raised me,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: as well my girlfriends that I grew up with, you
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I think I just stay
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: true to who I the girl from La, you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: and just kind of stuck with that and just went
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: with my heart. I guess do you feel proud of
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: that person? Absolutely? Because I could be a whole different person.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: But I do like that I can be graceful and
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I can take the high road, and that I am
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: a good person. You know, I'm not really I try
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: to be as positive as I can. I'm not really
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: like nasty or rude or mean to people. I'm not perfect.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I'm a work in progress. I'm still growing and still
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: learning how to be better as a friend and as
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: a daughter and as all these different things, you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: just trying to be my best self. And we all
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: have flaws, you know, but I've always maintained my integrity.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: That's a good word for it. Yeah, that's what I
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: was thinking as you were talking. Yeah, yea, yeah, you
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: have this moral compass and nothing really can sway like
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: no amount of fame or money can sway that. Like
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you're not just gonna do a money grab.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna yeah, yeah, I missed on a lot
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: of big money grab opportunities, but it didn't feel right. Yeah,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: you know, where's the longevity, moral longevity in that? You know?
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: So yeah I read that. You said you're a relationship girl.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, me too, Yes, yes, yes, yes, what
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: does dating life look like for you? Now? It's hard
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: because there's just so much out there. But then also
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: isn't you know, especially with social media, everybody knows everybody.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: The industry itself is like so big, it's so small,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm just trying to live life and just have fun,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: try new things, not put pressure on you know, I
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: need to be in a relationship or I need to
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: be with somebody. I feel like growing up in my
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: earlier years, I was very like codependent, like I felt
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: like I needed to be in a relationship or be
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: with somebody to feel fulfilled. And no, no, thank you.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: And it's such a gift though, yes, and I'm so
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: glad that I'm able to see that, because that's like,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: what's the word that can really not tear you down?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: But if you really become that person, then you become
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: codependent on somebody else's love and somebody else's energy and
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: just somebody else to like make you happy. Yeah, And
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: you know, as they say to you, you got to
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: make yourself happy first before you can be happy or
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: with anybody. And that is one thing that I am
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: grateful for is that I spent a lot of during
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the ups and downs of my life. I spend a
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: lot of time on my own and just figuring out
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: what I like. That's why I know I want to
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: live on an island because I'm like, I've had a
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: taste of that life, like traveling or whatever it is,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, that's what I want, you know.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I like my coffee. I like working out. I like
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: you know, doing yoga, I like reading, you know, just
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: cooking and all these things. Because I spent time alone
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: figuring out how can I invest in me. I've taken
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: pottery classes that I loved. I need to go back.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I started smile, but it's like it's fun and it's
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: like something to do and like be creative and be expressive. Yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I used to be codependent too, and I actually think
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of pressure for the guy I
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: was dating because I didn't realize it, but so much
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: of my happiness was coming from them. And it's like
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of pressure for your partner.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and for you too as a part It's like,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that's so hard to kind of just live, I guess
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: when you're living for somebody else.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, do you feel like you're looking for
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: a different kind of love at the stage of your life. Yeah,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: The things that used to attract me don't attract me
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: as much, whether it's materialistic things or whatever it may be.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Or even like looks, Like I don't really care about
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: looks anymore. I love a fine man who doesn't. But like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: but that's not always like my go to you know
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's the energy that you share, the connection.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Can you see yourself with this person? Can you travel
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: with this person when it's quiet you're at home, can
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: you just be still and be at each other's presence
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: without feeling feeling like you have to say something or
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: like have a conversation, you know what I mean? Like
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: that you have to like feel that like quiet noise
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: or that life, you know, like those are the moments
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: where I'm like, I feel like that's when I will
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: find my person is just in laughing, Yeah, having fun.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: That's like the best, you know, just enjoying somebody and
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: their time and their space. Space is another thing too.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Can you share space with this person? Can you respect
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: each other's space? Are you the organized one or the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: messy one?
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: The organized? Yeah, I could have guessed that. Oh yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'm very like things need to be exactly.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: You go fix those, fix those for us. Have you
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: ever dated somebody messy? Yeah, it's hard, It is hard,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: But I think when I dated that person, I wasn't
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: as neat. Okay, that's that's like grown, that's interesting.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So now my place is very like Kyle,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I fad this. It's very like put together and yeah, precise, precise.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think is the pettiest thing you've ever
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: done to remind the world, like nonm way more than
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: somebody's ex because you're so graceful.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I need one thing, petty If I done, that's petty.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm got to posted like some you know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: photo with a caption, But what did I even?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Oh, like a caption that means something.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have done something like that that wasn't
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: too spot on, because you can't be too obvious. But
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: it's like a you know, you gotta I like to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: be mysterious. They gotta keep that mystique about me, you know.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't. I try not to be too petty,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: especially on social media, because they will eat you alive.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: They'll take one thing and make it a whole other thing.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: So when I was reading about Rucci, the self care
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: part stuck out to me because I know after your
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: public breakup you started really talking about like toxic relationships
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: and being an advocate for women in that space. Was
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: there self care that you did at that time that
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: you feel like you could credit some of the healing too?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Well, that's when I spent a lot of time with myself,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: okay and trying new things. Is when I got into yoga.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I started reading a lot of self help books. What
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: else was I doing that?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Just to do therapy?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, why didn't I talk about therapy? Yes? The
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: funny thing is is I tried to do therapy back then.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I did one session. Didn't love it because also again
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I'm the person that doesn't like to talk about my emotions.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: So I did it because you know, at the time,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: somebody was like, you need therapy, and da da da.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, fine, So I went didn't
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: care for it, but then I tried it again later
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: in life, Like I started therapy maybe early thirties something
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: like that because I felt like I was ready and
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I loved it. I had one therapist that I started with,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: and I just switched my therapist to a new therapist
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the past two years. And she's a black woman from
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: la and I adore her. She's the best and she
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: keeps it real. And you know, when people talk about therapy,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: it's like you're crazy or I'm not crazy, I don't
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: need therapy or I didn't and it's like it doesn't
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: have to do with being crazy. It's like sometimes we
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: just need a release to talk about something without any
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: opinions that from somebody that might be connected to you
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: or that knows you. You know, it's like it's different
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: from talking to like your homegirl. You know, it's kind
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: of the same, but it's very different, and a therapist
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: will help you figure out your patterns and what stemmed
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: from childhood and from this situation that happened or from
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: what you did or didn't get from your parents. Like
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: all that trickles down into who we are today, and
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: some of that needs a little bit of work, you know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: and especially when it comes to careers, relationships, friends, family, Like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: we have patterns that we don't even realize. And my
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: therapist has helped me realize my patterns too, especially with
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: dating and like the type of men that I usually
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: go for and the certain things that I do, and
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: even patterns and other men, other men. When I'm dating
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: a certain type of man, it's like, oh, this feels familiar.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I don't like this. Now I'm in a place where
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I can be more vocal and I can say no
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: or whatever the cases. You know, I can identify it.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: And that also helps me to know if, like are
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you my person or not? When you were talking about
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: your parents or like your upbringing and thinking like you
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: could do everything yourself, Yeah, does that show up in
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: dating for you? Yeah, because a lot of dating issues
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: come from like mommy and daddy issues on both ends
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: for men and women. You know, the love that we
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: did or didn't get the relationship we had with our
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: parents affects us. And it isn't necessarily just like a
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: negative thing. It's just life, you know. And you grow
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: up thinking a certain way or being used to a
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: certain behavior and that behavior might not be the best
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: or you know. So that's a part of self care
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: on wanting to be better and self discovery and you know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: just wanting to be the best version of myself, which
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: thank you for reminding me. I need to go see
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: my therapist because it's been a while. Authenticity has always
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: been at the front and center for you. Has there
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: been a moment where owning who you are fully gave
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: you strength in a way you didn't expect. I think
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: when it comes to like deals or working with a
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: company or a brand, being authentic and listening to my
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: mind or my body, do I like this is this
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: just a money grab? Like I always listen to that,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm proud of that because I don't want some
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: amount of money or some title or whatever to control me,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: because that's just very like temporary. And again I'm in
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: it for like the long haul and the longevity with
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: whoever you know, whatever brand or whatever it is that
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I'm doing, you know, just just doing things that I
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: really connect with.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Are you comfortable negotiating now? Like the older I get,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: the more comfortable I am being like, this is the price,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: take it or leave it. But I still have that
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: pit in my stomach.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes. But also I'm like, Okay, here's my manager's number.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: They'll talk to you about because I'm like, let's talk
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: creative all day. But the business side, I'm like it
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: just I don't know, that's not it's not my my strength.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I let my people handle that. They're gonna that, you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: what they do, and and yeah, that's they think too.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I don't try to like overstep or do too much
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: or like I'm gonna be a boss and tell them,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: you know, like if that's not my strength, talk to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: my team. They'll figure it out. We'll connect and we'll
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: go from there.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: And you can be like the soft girl. Yeah, and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just like over here, like yes, all of that, Okay,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: rapid fire or the other game? Which one do you
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: want to do first? What's the other game?
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Turn ons and turn offs?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Let's do turn it off and turn off? I like it, Yeah, Gussie, Okay,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: tough fun football players turn on or turn off? Ah,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I mean sometimes they give you a turn on. Depends.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, rappers are singers turn on turn off.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Or saying which which or like are they a turn
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: on or they turn off? For you? Now at this
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: stage in your life, turn off. There's too much I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: can't do with the lifestyle.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Getting your partner's name tattooed on you.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Turn on or turn off? It is the right person
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: to turn on. I don't I don't mind doing that.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Public displays of affection turn on or turn off? I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: love turn on. I am such a uh yeah clause. Yes,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: older men turn on or turn off? Turn on? Really? Yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: are trying new things? I'm open to whatever.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, making a grand gesture turn on or turn off?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Turn on? Yeah? I love that.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Do you think women can really have it all?
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: Yes? What's a piece of advice that's stuck with you
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: throughout your life, especially during a time of transition or growth.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: A piece of advice or like a motto, where there
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: is love, there is life. I have that tatted on me.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: That's not a piece of advice, but it's like a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: quote or whatever I believe in, like living through your
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: heart and through love, whether it's at work with your
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: friends and a relationship, walking down the hall being filled
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: with love, saying hello to somebody that you don't know.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I think just like the essence of carrying that love
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: and happiness is everything that's so beautiful. Thank you.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: That's the only tattoo that I have.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Cute. What is that says love? It's just it loves
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: come up anyways.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: One thing every woman should try once, I want to say.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: The first thing that came to my mind is dating,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: but dating in a sense of like being open minded
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and trying new things. And I always say trying new
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: things because you don't know until you try. And that's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: like a part of finding your person. It's just you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: have to you have to go through that rollercoaster to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: see what you are willing to are are and aren't
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: willing to deal with and who.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Who you find. What's the wildest dm you've ever gotten
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: from a fan or a celebrity A ticic? Oh no, yeah, nasty,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: I know that is so like so gross. It's not
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: what you want to see. No, thank you.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: There's like this really funny comedian that's like that doesn't
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: impress a woman like send her a photo of your paycheck,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: not your day for.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Real, Like nobody girls don't find that cute.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you have to eat one meal for the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: rest of your life.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: What's on your plate? Oh shoot, I will have to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: say rice and peace and stewed chicken with the side
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: of planted and a side of cabbage or cola loo.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Tell me you're not going to move to Jamaica without
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: telling me you're going to go to Jamaically.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: I could eat that every single day, and it has
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: to be from Jamaica. No jerk chicken. I like jerk chicken,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: but jerk chicken sometimes, depending where you go, can be
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: a little dry. But in Jamaica the jerk chicken off
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: the side of the road the best. So I'll take
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: jerk chicken or stewed chicken.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: A piece of advice that sounded corny when you first
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: heard it, but it's one hundred percentury a piece of advice.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Somebody once told me. She told me don't quit your
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: day jab when I was in a thing, and it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't corny, but maybe I just didn't like really take
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: in what she meant. And I think what she meant
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: is like I don't think she meant like go back
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: to nort I'm still working or gyms. But I think
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: she meant like, always keep focused on you, always invest
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: in you, always do things to fill your cup, always
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: have something going on, because I did kind of lose
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: sight of that at one point in my life, which
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: is like living in a whole different world. But now
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I fully understand what she meant.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I need a book from you about that time. You
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: don't have to do it now, but like in five
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: ten years.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, during that time, people were like, you
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: should write a tell all like that is a corny thing.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I would never do something like that, like that's why
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: that's so out of my character. But I would be
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: open to writing a book about my growth and spirituality
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: and the lessons from it. The lessons, Yeah, nothing specific
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: or any thing like that, but I definitely would. Yeah.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Cruci Tran ten years ago could see you. Now,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: what would she be most surprised.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: By twenty six? I think how much of a homebody
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: she is, because girl eyes me outside, Okay, eyes me outside,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: living my life, having fun, going out every single day, drinking,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: nothing too crazy, but just just just a different person. Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just like at home in my slip and
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: in my robe and just super chilling. I love that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: for you.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, a book that you've read that changed your life,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: something you think everybody should read. Renee Brown has a
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: really great she has a ton.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Of great books. What is the one that Darren greatly
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: daring greatly? Yes, yes, I would definitely suggest probably any
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Brite Brown, but that one I have and I have
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: a couple of them too. Oh. Also the four Agreetments,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: great one. That's a great one too, because you can
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I pick that. I have like a little library and
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I just kind of go and pick that book up
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: every now and then and just you can always read
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: that and whenever you just need to hear something really filling.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: And that keeps me grounded too. Yeah, a card ask
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: and everything to Okay, Okay, let's see, let's see, let's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: see see.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I love that you're pulling it like a teart card
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: runner question everything.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: What is the coolest, most unique or important skill you've
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: learned from your job? The coolest most unique one more scale.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: That's a cool one for you, dang, what is from acting?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I think kind of what I brought up earlier is
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: being open, open minded and not being one sided and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: just being ready for whatever the director or a showrunner
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: or writer, whatever throws at you, and to like let
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: loose and just have fun.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: What's something that you wish people could see about you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: that they don't see it first glance?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe how normal am? Like? Did it shock you that
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: I wanted to live on an island a little? Okay?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: When I tell people that, they kind of like are
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: shocked too, and like I never expected that a lot.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: You just have a foothold in this industry, which is
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: so hard to be a part of. So to be like, yeah,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just out is shocking. Yeah. But for me, it's
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: like I'm the sort of person like I'll work forever.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: I love working.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me feel good.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: And I don't mind going to my island if I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: have a job or something, I come travel and then
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: go back. That's why I want to stay closer to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: the States. It's opposed to go into Portugal where it's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: like you gotta take two flights, it's too much, you know.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think and a lot of people too,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: when they meet me, they're like, oh, I thought that
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: you would be like kind of like stuck up or bougie.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: You're like bitch, like really, like I guess because of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: the industry, maybe most people are. I don't know what
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: their experience was, And I'm like, no, I'm just very
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: chill and like kind of normal a little bit.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so great.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: You are super normal in the best way. Thank you. Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I try because like what when you take everything away,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: it's like who are we? What are we? You know?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: And like I don't. I don't want to get too
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: stuck in the industry of this world because it's kind
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: of it's a little smoking mirrors, you know sometimes. So
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: I just like, it's been good to you. Yeah, I
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: mean it's it's it's had its hard moments, but I'm blessed.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for who I am today, even through
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: everything that I've gone through, because I wouldn't be who
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: I am if I didn't go through that, you know.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's good so far.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I thought of my last turn on turn off because
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: oh what is it?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Wait? Yeah, yeah, thank you?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: A public engagement turn on or turn off?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I think turn on really because I'm shore public Okay.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Are we talking about like at a basketball game? Yeah?
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Or like that's what you're talking about, right, engagement? Yeah,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: or like he invited all your friends and family type
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: of public engage.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good distinction, like a basketball game on
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: a like a I'm kind of into.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: It because it's like let the people know, but like
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: what happens if your answers know.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, you better have talked about it before, because that's horrible, horrible.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: You were so fun. Oh, thank you. I really enjoyed
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: this and thank you.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: to have a good day. I'll see you next week.