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SMNTY Classics: Ruth Shady · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Sanny and Samantha, I'm not going to stuff I
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  Speaker 1: never told you prediction by her video and we have
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  Speaker 1: another classic for you. It is an actress around the
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  Speaker 1: world that is still up to some cool stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we wanted to bring back doctor of Ruth
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  Speaker 2: Shady who was still doing her thing. We have called
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  Speaker 2: her kind of like our Indiana Jones, our Indiana Jones,
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  Speaker 2: and she is still out there doing an archaeological dig
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  Speaker 2: as in fact, in twenty twenty five, they discovered a
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  Speaker 2: giant city by the way, as well as a pretty
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  Speaker 2: well preserved burial of a.
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  Speaker 3: Woman who was wealthy.
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  Speaker 2: They said, so they've got a lot of interesting information
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  Speaker 2: with all of this, and this was just again, I
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  Speaker 2: believe July or June of twenty twenty five. I will
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  Speaker 2: say they have hit some roadblocks because of budget cuts.
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  Speaker 2: So at one point she was talking about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that she had to lay off a part of her
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  Speaker 2: crew because of those giant budget cuts. But they're still
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  Speaker 2: going through it. They actually had a twenty they actually
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  Speaker 2: had a celebration in November of twenty twenty four because
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  Speaker 2: they have been doing this for thirty years, so they've
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  Speaker 2: been here trying to discover all of this history in Peru,
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  Speaker 2: and cool enough, they did do a twenty minute documentary
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  Speaker 2: victoring doctor Shady about what is happening. So yeah, really
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  Speaker 2: really fun to see how this continues.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and listeners please enjoy this classic episode.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha and welcome to Steff.
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  Speaker 4: I never told your production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 3: Well Hello Anie, Hello, happy Monday.
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  Speaker 4: Yes we are recording on a Monday, so happy Monday
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  Speaker 4: to you as well. But that means we're a little
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  Speaker 4: uh space today.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we have discovered as we have been attempting
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  Speaker 2: to record this for the last three minutes, we may
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  Speaker 2: be a little tired and or really have the mondays
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  Speaker 2: I said it, But today we want to go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and put a timestep on this because not necessarily anything's
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  Speaker 2: going to change, but there's actually a lot happening with
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  Speaker 2: this specific woman that we're about to talk to for
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  Speaker 2: our edition of Women around the World. That sounded weird,
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  Speaker 2: That was not the theme. I want to ignore that, okay,
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, it is March twenty second, twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: and though she has already made pretty big impression in
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  Speaker 2: the world and in just science in general, and history.
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  Speaker 2: We want to put this caveat in here because there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of articles coming out about her project if
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  Speaker 2: you're paying attention to what she's doing. So that's why
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  Speaker 2: I'm timestamping it. And yes, we will tell you it
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  Speaker 2: is in just a minute. But first Annie, Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: got a question for you. Oh, I already know this answer,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a two parter, okay, So the second part
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I already know the answer because I
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  Speaker 2: think we've talked about it before, but I'm gon go
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  Speaker 2: ahead and jump in here.
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  Speaker 3: A Were you a huge fan of movies like Indiana Jones?
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  Speaker 4: Actually the answer to that is interesting because I've only
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  Speaker 4: seen those movies of once each, okay, and I can't
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  Speaker 4: recall really why I didn't go into them more, because
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  Speaker 4: I loved, as you all know, the Mummy, right I love.
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  Speaker 5: I don't yeah, I don't know. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 4: I was just like, you know what, I'm more into
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  Speaker 4: the Star Wars Lane than if I gotta choose a
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  Speaker 4: hair some forward movie.
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  Speaker 2: Then this is that was Oh Holly Fry, who is
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  Speaker 2: also the big Star Wars fan. One of the times
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  Speaker 2: that I had gone out with her during our adventures
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  Speaker 2: in any of the Disney Worland Disney World locations. We
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  Speaker 2: went to one of the Indiana Jones themed ones, and
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  Speaker 2: when I could not name anything and she explained things,
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  Speaker 2: she looked really sad.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen that look.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was just like like the little sign
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  Speaker 2: and just like Samantha Samantha, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's all she said.
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  Speaker 2: So, Okay, I feel better knowing that you were maybe
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  Speaker 2: in the same spot as me.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the second part of that question.
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  Speaker 2: Anything with like the Mummy and obviously again with Indiana Jones.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever have any experiences and or any fantasies
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  Speaker 2: of being someone who was in the Archaeology World or
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  Speaker 2: in that history, Discovery World, Adventure World.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I think I was born too,
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  Speaker 4: Like this is different, but to me similar in my
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  Speaker 4: kid brain. I was born into like paleontology and like fossils,
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  Speaker 4: like dinosaurs and finding.
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  Speaker 5: Stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: And I had like a little kid for like we
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  Speaker 4: spoke about one of our recent classics. I would go
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  Speaker 4: out in the woods and I would find like one
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  Speaker 4: time I found this mailbox and I was like unearthing
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  Speaker 4: it as if it was kind But that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had an experience in our I guess
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  Speaker 2: middle school, elementary school and time frame. They had this
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  Speaker 2: whole like initiative going on, trying to bring in these
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  Speaker 2: kids that was remained together for the next three years
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  Speaker 2: and learning different things. And one of our big projects
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  Speaker 2: was actually doing an archaeological dig site behind the school playground,
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  Speaker 2: and we actually discovered a village, a small a Native
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  Speaker 2: American village to the point that we got to see
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  Speaker 2: some desist.
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  Speaker 3: Because we found like pole marks, and we found all.
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  Speaker 2: Of this pottery shards, and we found all of these
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  Speaker 2: like arrowheads and weapons in it was a true small
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  Speaker 2: town village, like we found where all the posts were,
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  Speaker 2: where the homes were. And then we had to keep
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  Speaker 2: it for several years because several archaeologists came out and
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  Speaker 2: helped dig up the site.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And so because of this, it was really sad because
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  Speaker 2: we worked on this so hard. It was such an
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  Speaker 2: amazing project. I will never forget it. They transferred our
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  Speaker 2: class to a different location to start up another location
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  Speaker 2: to see if we could find more stuff, and of
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  Speaker 2: course it wasn't as cool as we found things. But
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  Speaker 2: not a town, right, not a small like area living area.
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  Speaker 2: So I was very sad and we got to take
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  Speaker 2: it off that project, but it was one of the
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  Speaker 2: most like what moments when we started finding all of
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  Speaker 2: these amazing items and things and finding out that we
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  Speaker 2: actually were sitting on something really historical and sad because
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  Speaker 2: of course our relationships with the Native Americans were really
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  Speaker 2: sad because they were killed and or pushed out. So
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  Speaker 2: a lot of really sad things, but cool things at
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  Speaker 2: the same time because you're discovering all.
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  Speaker 5: These things, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And one of the reasons we are talking about
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  Speaker 2: this specific woman and we're talking about doctor ruth A
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  Speaker 2: Shade or ruth A Shade Solis, who is a Peruvian
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  Speaker 2: archaeologist and anthropologist and overall bad ass.
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  Speaker 3: So if you have a to go look at her work.
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  Speaker 2: It is phenomenal that Shady was born in kal Yao,
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  Speaker 2: Peru and has always had this love of the world
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  Speaker 2: of archaeology, so again kind of like fostered into her.
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  Speaker 2: And in one interview she actually talks about visiting different
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  Speaker 2: archaeological sites as a child with our father, and she
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  Speaker 2: talked about really honing in and deciding this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be my career at the age of like eight
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  Speaker 2: or nine, because her dad not only took her to
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  Speaker 2: these sites, but would gift her and her siblings books
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  Speaker 2: of all this historical contexts and him having this love
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  Speaker 2: for archaeology and history. Her father influenced them with again
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  Speaker 2: his own love for history and discovering older cultures. And
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  Speaker 2: I believe he moved to Peru with the family and
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  Speaker 2: in talking about how Peru was the center of civilization
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  Speaker 2: for them, So it was really interesting to see all
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  Speaker 2: this history as she was talking about her own childhood
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  Speaker 2: and why she loves what she loves.
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  Speaker 5: Right and yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Shaddy studied both archaeology and anthropology as well as pedagogy
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  Speaker 4: and Lima at San Marcos University, where she became a
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  Speaker 4: teacher and is currently Vice Dean of Research at the
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  Speaker 4: Faculty of Social Sciences. She has been the head of
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  Speaker 4: many projects, including projects in Marenga, Lima and Bagua, Amazonas
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  Speaker 4: and some others. And though these projects are interesting, what
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  Speaker 4: she's currently being celebrated for is her work with the
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  Speaker 4: Keral Soupe Special Archaeological Project. She is currently the director
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  Speaker 4: of the many research teams at the Keral Archaeological Site
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  Speaker 4: or the Koral Archaeological Zone and.
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  Speaker 2: Just in case you didn't know, because I definitely did,
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  Speaker 2: and that Keral is known as the first civilization of
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  Speaker 2: the entire American continent and is located several miles outside
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  Speaker 2: of Peru, and the civilization is dated back five thousand years,
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  Speaker 2: which is two thousand years older than the Mayan civilization.
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  Speaker 2: But her roja discovering and preserving the civilization was a
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  Speaker 2: long and is actually a long battle, which started in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight when she visited that area, but wasn't
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  Speaker 2: until nineteen ninety four that she and a team of
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  Speaker 2: four others started working at that site. And not surprisingly,
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  Speaker 2: she went through her share of disappointments and hope throughout
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  Speaker 2: the project, and she talked about all the difficult conditions,
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  Speaker 2: support from the government some of the times, and being
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  Speaker 2: ignored by the government and oftentimes her own colleagues. As
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  Speaker 2: some suggested her theories of the large civilization was just
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  Speaker 2: quote an exaggeration.
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  Speaker 4: The Kerral civilization is fascinating because, unlike so many other
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  Speaker 4: discovered civilizations, this was not a warlike society, as there
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  Speaker 4: were no traces of weapons or defensive walls within the city.
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  Speaker 4: The civilization was covered by gravel and pebbles before it
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  Speaker 4: was abandoned, which helped preserve the area. They were also
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  Speaker 4: seemingly ahead of our times as they maintained gender equality.
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  Speaker 4: During the dig, they discovered remains of a woman dated
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  Speaker 4: four six hundred years ago, and she was apparently all
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  Speaker 4: zacked out. They discovered a shell necklace, bone brooches, and
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  Speaker 4: blankets made of cotton and other materials. Shaddy stated, we
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  Speaker 4: can interpret that some four thy six hundred years before present,
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  Speaker 4: women had already reached significant positions in society. The brooches,
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  Speaker 4: in particular, carved into bird and monkey designs, point to
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  Speaker 4: quote a woman of prestige right.
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  Speaker 2: And along with those discoveries they also found flutes and
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  Speaker 2: all these instruments. So it must have been a very
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  Speaker 2: artistic world and civilization which I want to be a
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  Speaker 2: part of. But when talking about her works in regards
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  Speaker 2: to Kerral, she talked about the significance of how the
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  Speaker 2: discovery could impact the local community and she stated, quote,
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  Speaker 2: we wanted these people to identify with the heritage and
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  Speaker 2: accepted as theirs. As a source of identity and cohesion.
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  Speaker 2: She worked with the community by organizing a participative workshop
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  Speaker 2: to promote integral sustainable development, and she spoke of the
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  Speaker 2: significance of the project overall, stating quote, the worldwide response
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  Speaker 2: to the values of Korl civilization has encouraged us. Soha
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  Speaker 2: has our ability convey to current and feature societies the
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  Speaker 2: importance of peaceful social interactions between people with different cultures
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  Speaker 2: and languages who exchange resources, products, experiences and knowledge produced
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  Speaker 2: in the Indian territory, which is itself immensely varied, this
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  Speaker 2: intercultural relationship favored back Cuterall's social system enabled it to
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  Speaker 2: develop very early in the northern central area of Peru.
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  Speaker 2: This is a valuable message for modern society as nowadays
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  Speaker 2: military action and behavior are still ubiquitous, which is entirely
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  Speaker 2: counterproductive of the millions of years of human evolution. In
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  Speaker 2: the six thousand years of establishing complex civilizations, we have
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  Speaker 2: failed to strengthen our human identity and preserving living conditions
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  Speaker 2: on Earth. We need to reflect on this to avoid
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  Speaker 2: exterminating ourselves. And of course I'm also thrilled to be
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  Speaker 2: able to improve the quality of life of the populations
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  Speaker 2: around Keral and train archaeologists with a different vision who
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  Speaker 2: can appreciate the diverse social reality of.
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  Speaker 4: Peru and not unlike Indiana Jones. She has gone through
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  Speaker 4: some trauma and danger between having threats made against her
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  Speaker 4: by what is being reported as squatters, but seems to
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  Speaker 4: be a more a deeper conflict with people who are
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  Speaker 4: trying to claim the area to develop the land, and
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  Speaker 4: so they may be stroying the site out of hate.
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  Speaker 4: Some of the sites have been destroyed and some of
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  Speaker 4: the mummies and items have been destroyed, legal battles from
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  Speaker 4: former colleagues who have tried to claim her work or
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  Speaker 4: leave her out in documentation, and even being shot in
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  Speaker 4: early two thousands on the site, and the land was
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  Speaker 4: declared a UNESCO World Heritage Site in two thousand and nine,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, and she's currently experiencing a lot of
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  Speaker 4: pressure and threats from those squatters, which are believed to
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  Speaker 4: be made up of those who are claiming that they
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  Speaker 4: were given the land in the nineteen seventies. And not
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  Speaker 4: only has she and her team been receiving texts, but
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  Speaker 4: people who are involved as the legal advisors, and even
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  Speaker 4: the possibility of her dog being poisoned as a threat.
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  Speaker 3: When we say poisoned, they killed their dog.
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  Speaker 2: So it's pretty intense and there has been a lot
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  Speaker 2: of support by many academics and those in the historical
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  Speaker 2: world and science world, with and letters being sent out
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  Speaker 2: to the government for her and her team's protection.
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  Speaker 3: Today.
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  Speaker 2: I know right now there are so many articles coming
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  Speaker 2: out about what's happening there because there has been an
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  Speaker 2: all out threat against her as well as the actual
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  Speaker 2: excavation site. They're having to have police protection around it
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  Speaker 2: and all of these things. And there's also a question
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  Speaker 2: about why haven't they been found, Why haven't they been
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  Speaker 2: arrested at this point, because you kind of know what's
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  Speaker 2: going on, and there seems to be, of course, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money involved in this conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Who has the rights to what?
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  Speaker 2: And of course she is working to preserve it, so
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  Speaker 2: for those who want to develop the land to sell
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  Speaker 2: it kind of puts a kink in their plan. So
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  Speaker 2: does feel like a straight out mystery or a straight
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  Speaker 2: out suspense thriller?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: Me?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it's just me. Her work is been celebrated
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  Speaker 2: as she continues to make history. She's been named BBC's
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  Speaker 2: Top one hundred Women twenty eighteen's Loriel UNESCO's National Prize
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  Speaker 2: for Women in Science. She was given the Medal of
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  Speaker 2: Honor of the Congress of the Republic of Peru as well.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously we are talking about what she's done and
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  Speaker 2: continues to do, and her love and passion in preserving
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  Speaker 2: history and bringing things to light. She hasn't talked about
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  Speaker 2: how as a woman in this field it has been
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  Speaker 2: a struggle, but how persevering and being able to fight
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  Speaker 2: for what you know has been there. So she's known
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  Speaker 2: this something has been there since nineteen seventy four and
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  Speaker 2: has fought for it, and then it was actually celebrating
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  Speaker 2: in the two thousands.
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  Speaker 3: So that's badass, yes.
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  Speaker 4: But ass very badass indeed, and continues to be.
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  Speaker 5: So we'll see what happens in the meantime.
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  Speaker 4: If you have any suggestions listeners for women we should
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  Speaker 5: Thanks as always to our super producer.
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  Speaker 4: Christina, Thank you badass, and thanks to you for listening
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