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SMNTY Classics: Dr. Aphra · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan
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  Speaker 1: Never Told You Production of iHeartRadio and welcome to you,
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  Speaker 1: another classic from the Star Wars universe. For this one,
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  Speaker 1: I want to bring back a Fictional Women around the World.
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  Speaker 2: We did.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of my earlier ones on Doctor Afra,
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  Speaker 1: who I remember speculating about it. We speculated about it
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  Speaker 1: in that episode. They have not cast, has not appeared
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  Speaker 1: in live action yet. Yes, yes, but she is a
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  Speaker 1: fan favorite character, and I saw some tweets about the
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  Speaker 1: newest comic that she's in She's Got her Own series,
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  Speaker 1: that it was one of the most queer comics that's
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  Speaker 1: ever been produced, and so I really want to check
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  Speaker 1: it out. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well if anyone's read it,
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  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, please let us know. But in the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and
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  Speaker 1: Smantha and welcome to stuff I've Never Told You Production
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  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and welcome to a very special edition of
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  Speaker 1: Fictional Women Around the World. Our sub segment, segment, segment,
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  Speaker 1: subsegment good enough.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and this is a special one because.
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  Speaker 1: As you're listening to it, it is May the fourth
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  Speaker 1: our Star Wars Day, Happy Star Wars Day.
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  Speaker 2: May the fourth be with you? Annie's favorite. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I get a lot of messages that day, which I
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  Speaker 2: really enjoy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, And I've never really seen it as a thing
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  Speaker 3: until I started with iHeart Slash. At that point, still
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  Speaker 3: house the forks and I came in and there was
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  Speaker 3: cake and punch and decorations that I was like, what
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  Speaker 3: is happening?
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  Speaker 2: What is today? And everybody's like, May the fourth be
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: It was like nerds, but you still took home the
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  Speaker 1: inflatable lightsaber and the cups.
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  Speaker 2: I saw them recently.
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  Speaker 3: It's true I did not knowing what I was getting
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  Speaker 3: myself into because this was.
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  Speaker 2: Pre inundated Star Wars times for me. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: Office party also, what a long time ago? Oh that
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  Speaker 2: was a thing, remember shared food and everything?
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess I'm not sure when you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to this, so it might not be made the fourth,
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  Speaker 1: but when it comes out it is. And so that
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  Speaker 1: means we're going to talk about a Star Wars character,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps one that you might not be as familiar with.
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  Speaker 2: I am not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm very excited to talk about this character.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about doctor Chelley Lana Afra or doctor Afra
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  Speaker 1: Afra alias Joystick Chevron. Thoughts to that name, yes, as
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  Speaker 1: you should have many thoughts. Hopefully by the end of
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  Speaker 1: this you'll have a sense of her character and you'll
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  Speaker 1: know kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Why that saying.
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  Speaker 1: So. Before the pandemic, friends of mine kept telling me
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  Speaker 1: to read the Star Wars comics and I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid what will.
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  Speaker 1: Happen that I'll be consumed because I am a completionist.
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  Speaker 1: Once I start something, I want to finish all of it.
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  Speaker 1: But then the pandemic happened and I was quarantined, and yes,
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  Speaker 1: I have pretty much read all of them now, all
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  Speaker 1: caught up. And one of the things people kept telling
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  Speaker 1: me over and over right before I read them was
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  Speaker 1: you'll really like doctor Afra, and they were right. Currently,
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  Speaker 1: there is discussion of casting her for one of the
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  Speaker 1: million Star Wars things coming out, but she has not
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  Speaker 1: appeared in any of the cartoons or the TV show
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  Speaker 1: or movies.
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  Speaker 2: If you're like, I don't know who this is, that's yes,
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  Speaker 2: I know, Jessic. Quick question, who do you envision as doctor?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. If you experienced this, Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: There are some characters when I read things that I
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  Speaker 1: have a really strong image for how they look and
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  Speaker 1: it's not like anyone that I know. And for doctor Afra,
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  Speaker 1: I have a really clear image of what she looks
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  Speaker 1: like in my head, and I can't think of a
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  Speaker 1: specific actor who fits that I've seen. There's somebody that
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  Speaker 1: they're like, it's gonna be this person, and I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can see it, but no strong like okay, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm generally kind of bad at that stuff, though.
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  Speaker 2: I would ask you, but you don't know who.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea, Like everything I'm about to read
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  Speaker 3: off is because you wrote it. Yes, I mean this
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  Speaker 3: is im reploit one of those things that I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea what's happening. I'm giving you free
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  Speaker 3: ring this entire beginning of May because I know what
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  Speaker 3: it's about to go down in preparation with the fact
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  Speaker 3: that we did the prequels and as they will soon
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  Speaker 3: find out, we did the original trilogy for this month
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  Speaker 3: for our movies, and then we'll also be following it
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  Speaker 3: up with the sequels sequel trilogy. Yes, because I planned
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  Speaker 3: it around May knowing that this would bring you joy
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  Speaker 3: and comfort.
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  Speaker 1: And it did, but also a lot of unnecessary research
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  Speaker 1: on my part as I want to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm having to be like slow, slow, roll
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  Speaker 2: back up back away from the computer.
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  Speaker 1: So in shorthand, when I'm describing doctor Afra, I usually
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  Speaker 1: describe her as a cynical anti heroin version of Indiana
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  Speaker 1: Jones twitch. As I was researching this, that was what
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  Speaker 1: they were going for, so you succeeded that.
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  Speaker 2: That is what I picked up. She is a queer
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  Speaker 2: human woman.
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  Speaker 1: I read in a few places she was of Asian descent,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm always kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's no Asian Star Wars. I guess I get
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  Speaker 2: what you're saying. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And she is an archaeologist alongside her real dark and
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  Speaker 1: messed up assassin joys. They're kind of like a really
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  Speaker 1: dark humor version of C three PO and R two
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  Speaker 1: D two. They delight in torturing people, they joke about it,
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  Speaker 1: they kill people. She travels on her beloved ship, the
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  Speaker 1: Archangel and later the Archangel two once the first one
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  Speaker 1: gets destroyed, looking for artifacts, pulling off heist and helping
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  Speaker 1: out Darth Vader, and where Indiana Jones would say it
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  Speaker 1: belongs to the museum, AfOR would say, how much money
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  Speaker 1: do you think I can get for that? She frequently
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  Speaker 1: encounters rare Jedi artifacts. Yep, she often sells. She's smart, capable,
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  Speaker 1: good with weapons and technology, quick on her feet, well
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  Speaker 1: versed in history.
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  Speaker 2: She's creative.
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  Speaker 1: She's also selfish, reckless, greedy, unpredictable and sometimes straight up yeah,
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  Speaker 1: kills folks if you see something she wants.
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  Speaker 2: I like her. So.
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  Speaker 3: Afra was created for Marvel Star Wars Darth Vader comics
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  Speaker 3: by writer Karen Gillan and artist Salvador Lorooca in twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: a series that went on to spawn the Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Afra comics, which I guess I'm gonna have to
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  Speaker 3: get my hands on these.
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  Speaker 2: Now I can help you. I'm sure you can.
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  Speaker 3: She was the first character introduced into the comics to
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  Speaker 3: get her own solo series, so I'm surprised I haven't
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  Speaker 3: heard of her before now. Emily Zuela voiced her in
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  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Doctor Afra, an audiobook original by Sarah Coon.
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  Speaker 3: Also in twenty twenty, Alissa Wong and Marika Cresta continued
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  Speaker 3: Afra's story with Doctor Afra.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't checked out the audiobook yet. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that was a thing, but now I'm like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: kinda seek that one out. When Afra was a child,
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  Speaker 1: her father poured all of his attention into scholarly pursuits
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  Speaker 1: and including setting the Jedi, desiring to bring back their
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  Speaker 1: light into the galaxy, as well as this extinct spiritual
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  Speaker 1: group that may or may not be related to, like
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  Speaker 1: maybe a different sect of the Jedi. Because of his obsession,
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  Speaker 1: his relationship with his wife and daughter suffered, and they
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  Speaker 1: ended up leaving him while.
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  Speaker 2: Afra was a child.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, Afra is their last name, so I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: if that's confusing, but that's just what I call her,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not entirely sure how to pronounce her.
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  Speaker 2: First name, so Afra.
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  Speaker 1: Their new home was attacked by raiders in Afra's mom
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  Speaker 1: told her to run and hide. When Afa returned, her
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  Speaker 1: mom was dead. Afra eventually made her way back to
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  Speaker 1: her father, just as the Empire was rising to power.
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  Speaker 2: However, their reunion.
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  Speaker 1: Was not a happy one, and she attempted to set
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  Speaker 1: his life work on fire, yelling at him about his
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  Speaker 1: wife died while he tried to save all of his research,
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  Speaker 1: and a psychologist diagnosed Afra with quote mental issues.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's very helpful. Yeah, just lazy. Come on.
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  Speaker 1: She went to school for galactic history and acient civilizations,
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  Speaker 1: and she excelled in her studies. However, she disagreed with
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  Speaker 1: a higher up at the university about what constituted an archaeologist.
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  Speaker 1: He took Afra under his wing despite the fact that
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  Speaker 1: she got into a bunch of Shenanigans and regularly mocked him,
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  Speaker 1: like regularly publicly mocked him. Afra was so confident in
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  Speaker 1: the significance of her final project she wasn't concerned with
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  Speaker 1: angering him.
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  Speaker 2: As it turns out, her.
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  Speaker 1: Project really did not deliver at all, and also her
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  Speaker 1: mentor was experimenting in illegal and horrifying mind control parasites,
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  Speaker 1: something he revealed to her before telling her. The only
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  Speaker 1: reason he took her under his wing was that he
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  Speaker 1: hated her and wanted to make sure she never became
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  Speaker 1: a doctor. When Afra threatened to black Melani, he told
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  Speaker 1: her no one would take her ward for it over his.
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  Speaker 1: With the helpless of friends, Afra stole the parasites, rigged
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  Speaker 1: them so that they looked like they were ancient, returned
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  Speaker 1: them to the underwhelming tomb that she'd chosen for her
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  Speaker 1: final project, planting them there as though she discovered them,
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  Speaker 1: and she was applauded for her discovery, and the parasites
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  Speaker 1: were destroyed in accordance with imperial protocol. Her mentor was
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  Speaker 1: forced to give her the doctorate or else reveal what
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  Speaker 1: he had been up to.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, sneaky, sneak, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: While there are several instances Afra being morally ambiguous obviously
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  Speaker 3: and betraying people, there are plenty of examples of doing
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  Speaker 3: her best to spare lives.
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  Speaker 2: She kind of reminds me of Gomora a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that, you know. She does a
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  Speaker 3: lot of bad things, but she's also good. Yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 3: the sister, maybe more the sister.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe she's like a mixture of the two. Yes, that's
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  Speaker 2: in my head now.
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  Speaker 3: In one instance, while she was exploring the abandoned rebel
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  Speaker 3: base on dant Wing, right after Alderwan was blown up
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  Speaker 3: by the Death Stars, she allowed herself to be captured
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  Speaker 3: by the Empire to save the lives of some stormtroopers,
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  Speaker 3: and she ended up being sentenced to execution. She managed
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  Speaker 3: to escape and her opinion on the Empire changed after
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  Speaker 3: what they did to Alderon, but that happened for a
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  Speaker 3: lot of those citizens.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, she after does go back and forth
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  Speaker 1: as she is wont to do. But this is one
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  Speaker 1: of the cool things about the comics in general, is
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  Speaker 1: Afra's kind of like one step behind. Like the story
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  Speaker 1: we know of Luke and lan Hahn, and there's sort
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  Speaker 1: of intersecting and interacting, but you know they don't know it.
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  Speaker 1: After the Battle of Yeavin, when Luke blows up the
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  Speaker 1: first Death Star, Afra is recruited to work for Darth
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  Speaker 1: Vader to help him do things under the radar of
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  Speaker 1: the Emperor, who is actively trying to replace Vader with
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  Speaker 1: a new right hand, like to his face is telling
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  Speaker 1: Vader like, yeah, I don't like you. I'm looking for
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  Speaker 1: somebody better. So Vader had discovered some of Afra's accomplishments
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  Speaker 1: and he was impressed with her talent and sought her out,
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  Speaker 1: and some of the things he tasked her with included
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  Speaker 1: things like going to Padme's home planet of Naboo and
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  Speaker 1: Padme being Darth Vader's dead wife and Luke and Lea's mom,
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  Speaker 1: and torturing the mortician who examined Padme's body until he
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  Speaker 1: admitted he'd lied about the death of the child she
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  Speaker 1: had been pregnant with, because when the funeral possession happened,
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  Speaker 1: it was made to appear as though she was still pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: She had never given birth, so he said that Padme
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  Speaker 1: had given birth to a son who was taken by
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  Speaker 1: two Jedi masters, Obi Wan and Yoda afas Droid Electric
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  Speaker 1: you did the man to death after that, Yep Yep
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  Speaker 1: Afer placed a lot of value on pleasing Darth Vader,
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  Speaker 1: both because she wanted to live, but she appreciated the
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  Speaker 1: challenge of meeting his incredibly high expectations, which she often
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  Speaker 1: did quite creatively. There were times when she could have
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  Speaker 1: left him for dead, but came back for him. She
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  Speaker 1: was constantly trying to prove she was trustworthy to him.
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  Speaker 1: She was tasked by Vader to locate Luke, and she
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  Speaker 1: took it on herself to attempt to kidnap him herself
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  Speaker 1: to please Vader, something she almost succeeded in quarter a
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  Speaker 1: handful of times. On one occasion, after Luke had been
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped and forced to fight in a gladiatorial battle as
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  Speaker 1: the last Jedi she bet money on his death, but
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  Speaker 1: of course Luke survived. One of my favorite sequences, she
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  Speaker 1: manages to Gosha Luke by painting her protocol droid to
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  Speaker 1: look like C three PO. But then Han Solo attacked
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  Speaker 1: her and Luke got away, only to be captured by stormtroopers.
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  Speaker 1: And then Luke got away only to be attacked by
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  Speaker 1: an angry Wookie and briefly captured by Afra again.
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  Speaker 2: Busy day Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That ends with Leah punching Afra in the face and
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  Speaker 1: capturing her, and then Darth Vader putting a bounty on
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  Speaker 1: Afra's head. Why A lot of things happened that day
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  Speaker 1: to upset Vader, but it basically she knew too much
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  Speaker 1: and thought like she'd been captured, get rid of her.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha?
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  Speaker 3: She failed times, so yeah, just her failure got it.
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  Speaker 3: So Leah released Afra alongside Sauna. They rescued Han and Luke,
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  Speaker 3: who had been captured by a bounty hunter. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of capturing around here. Afa escaped, was captured by the Empire,
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  Speaker 3: met the Emperor himself, and then Vader shot her on
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  Speaker 3: an air lock into space, even after he'd promised her
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  Speaker 3: he'd kill her with a lightsaber, knowing she would have
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  Speaker 3: a fear of suffocating in space. Yeah it's pretty cool, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but also he does give the chance for her to escape. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: He believes her to be dead, but she anticipated this,
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  Speaker 3: had a plan and faked her death just like any good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Morley ambiguis character who betrays a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: and works with people who betray you. Yes, her doctorate
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  Speaker 1: was suspended too, and she threatened her father to get
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  Speaker 1: him to reinstate it, but he called her bluff like.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, I'll kill you and he was like nah,
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  Speaker 1: and he said he would only help her if she
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  Speaker 1: would travel with him and help him continue his research.
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  Speaker 2: Through this, she gets her.
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  Speaker 1: Hands on a crystal and becomes convinced that Luke can
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  Speaker 1: reactivate it using the forest, so she forces him into
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  Speaker 1: accompanying her to visit this Queen the Screaming Citadel, who
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  Speaker 1: grants her quest if presented with the worthy gift. After
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  Speaker 1: presents Luke as the last Jedi. Things go awry, of course,
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  Speaker 1: and Luke and Affer have to make a run for it.
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  Speaker 1: Luke say AFA's life, but they are recaptured. Luke is
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  Speaker 1: strapped to a table and his life force is drained
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  Speaker 1: from him for the Queen to slowly enjoy, like through
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  Speaker 1: this kind of hookah looking device, and though Luke pleads
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  Speaker 1: with Afra for help, she leaves him behind, but she
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  Speaker 1: feels so guilty about it decides she can't leave him behind,
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  Speaker 1: comes back to save him, or kind of give him
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  Speaker 1: a chance to save himself. She offers him the crystal,
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  Speaker 1: and Luke did his whole Luke thing and was like,
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  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you could be better. And it really
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  Speaker 1: rattled her. It doesn't mean she didn't continue to doing
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  Speaker 1: things like backstabbing, his stealing and kidnapping like Harris and
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  Speaker 1: Doula from the cartoon shows.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did kind of stick with her. Oh I
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  Speaker 2: know she lost him.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm watching that one I have in season two,
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  Speaker 3: So a bunch of stuff obviously happens.
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  Speaker 2: Vader realizes she's alive.
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  Speaker 3: Prie surprise, she gets turned into the Empire again by
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  Speaker 3: an ex lover, where she's tortured and eventually escapes. She's
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  Speaker 3: worked for the Rebellion at times, the Empire, others helping
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  Speaker 3: them track the Alliance, working.
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  Speaker 2: With Vader again.
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  Speaker 3: Huge mistake saving the Emperor from an assassination plot, huge mistake,
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  Speaker 3: witnessed the interrogation of her father captured by the Alliance,
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  Speaker 3: and set the location of the rebels on Hawk to Vader.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's busy. Yeah, she's in high demand, and there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of like.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you live this once happening, Like Kara is like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you live this one. You know, he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of on NT level right. Relationships wise, Afro does not
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  Speaker 1: have a great track record. That's probably no surprise. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, she is queer. She has a recurring romance
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  Speaker 1: to interest and enemy Magna Tolven, very adversarial relationship, lots
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  Speaker 1: of passionate kissing and then immediate betrayal.
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  Speaker 2: And like torture and capture.
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  Speaker 1: Then they're kissing again and then I'm like you twos,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't healthy. She's also had a relationship with Sanastarus,
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  Speaker 1: who we mentioned earlier, who was a black woman who
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  Speaker 1: later claimed to be married to Hans Solo and then
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  Speaker 1: attacked Afra in a rage when they reunited after Afro
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  Speaker 1: left her, and then I think they kissed too, So
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like really angry kiss relationships going on,
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  Speaker 1: but all in all, Afra is an interesting, complex, fun,
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  Speaker 1: chaotic character who is well loved. I read a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things where they're like, it seems impossible that somebody
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  Speaker 1: could really stand out against Vader, and that this could
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  Speaker 1: be a woman in this kind of toxic fandom and
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  Speaker 1: toxic entertainment medium.
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  Speaker 2: But she did, and she is pretty well loved.
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  Speaker 1: I remember reading the comics for the first time and
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: being immediately hooked and also surprised that they did not
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: shy away from the queer one.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I think I read one.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Where it started immediately and they were like in bed together,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: half dressed and kissing, and I was like.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Whoa, go ahead. Yeah.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And also there is a passage in there that I
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: have included in this outline that is it encompasses the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: cinnamon role and uh yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's canon,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I put it in here just to prove that I
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: was not making it up. She did. She put all
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: of it in there, with cinnamon roll at the top.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Just in case you have questions, Yes, and some of
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you probably have many, I'm always available to answer them.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yes she is, and she will gladly do. So you
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: know who I think she'd play this character, and she
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: might be a little older, but she doesn't look it.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Bianca Lawson. She is in Buffy. She plays the second Slayer.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could see it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I can see you're playing this character. Yeah yeah, Well, because.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: You've got that like I will kill you Marto you
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: phase but also mischievous phase.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, since it's balance, I am campaigning for Bianca Lawson.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Please okay, well, listeners, if you have any casting ideas
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: about who should play this character, please.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Let us know.
• 19:22
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