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Pastors' Perspective-09/30/26 · Pastors Perspective

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pastor's Perspective. I'm your host, Brian Perez,
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  Speaker 1: and uh we are here live in the studio today.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to your calls, your questions in just a moment.
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  Speaker 1: Let me introduce who we got on the show today.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Broderson is here. He's the pastor emeritus at Calvary Chapel,
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  Speaker 1: Costa Mesa. You can also learn more about him and
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  Speaker 1: his wife Cheryl on their website, echoesofmercy.com. Brian, so good
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  Speaker 1: to see you, man. It's been a few years. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like a while. It is great to see
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  Speaker 1: you too. It's good to be here. I was here, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday was I here? Yeah, yeah, I was here yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: but you weren't here. But today we're together and we're
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  Speaker 1: trying to get our good friend Bobby Conway on with
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  Speaker 1: us and he just texted me as well saying help, help.
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  Speaker 1: I just sent him some information that might help, help. OK, we'll, uh.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see. All right. All right, so we're working on that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, you know, when I am coming in on Zoom.
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  Speaker 1: I've had those same kinds of issues, you know, where
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  Speaker 1: I click on it and it tells me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: meeting ID number and all this stuff. I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a meeting ID number. And then my
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  Speaker 1: computer says, oh, you have to allow for pop-ups. I
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  Speaker 1: never disallowed for pop-ups. Why are you, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just the crazy computer, the crazy tech world that we inhabit.
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  Speaker 1: That is generally good, but sometimes completely frustrating. So this
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  Speaker 1: is true. All right, so, uh, while we're waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the connection to happen, here's a question that, uh, was, well,
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  Speaker 1: this one wasn't called in or emailed in or anything,
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  Speaker 1: there's a
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  Speaker 1: Young man, 15-year-old Baxter in Costa Mesa, who happens to
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  Speaker 1: know one of our staff members here, so he wrote
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  Speaker 1: down his question on a 3x5 card, gave it to him,
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  Speaker 1: and then he passed it on. So here is Baxter's question.
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  Speaker 1: How do I know that I have a mustard seed
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  Speaker 1: of faith? Brian, what would you say to Baxter?
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  Speaker 1: Well, um, you know, I, I would say if you
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  Speaker 1: know that you have put your trust in Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: Um, that's of course how salvation occurs. That's faith. You, you,
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  Speaker 1: you put your faith in Him. Trust and faith are
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. So you put your faith in Him.
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  Speaker 1: And OK, so you know you have faith and that
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  Speaker 1: faith would qualify as a mustard seed or, you know,
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  Speaker 1: something larger perhaps, but I think the fact that you
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  Speaker 1: have the faith that you you have trusted the Lord,
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  Speaker 1: that's proof that you do have faith.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds good. Baxter. Thanks for uh getting your question to
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  Speaker 1: us somehow. Not the most traditional method, but uh, that's OK,
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  Speaker 1: we'll use it. 888-564-6173 and it appears we have made
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  Speaker 1: contact with the great doctor, Doctor, Doctor Bobby Conway. What's up?
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  Speaker 1: What's the haps guys? Good to see you. Yes, look
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  Speaker 1: at that hair, man. That's always Brian's first comment to you, Bobby.
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  Speaker 1: I've noticed that just always so impressive. It's like, OK,
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  Speaker 1: kind of got the Andy Warhol hair dude today, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of, kind of poured up, you know, swept over
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  Speaker 1: to the side a little bit. So it's usually just vertical.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've, uh, I've been, uh, letting it fall
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  Speaker 1: down instead of something. You gotta mix stuff up, you know. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just finally got a haircut the other
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  Speaker 1: day from my daughter and, um, I was the last
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  Speaker 1: few weeks I was in my
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  Speaker 1: I was in my little space in um, Somerville, a
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  Speaker 1: place that Bobby is familiar with, a place that we
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  Speaker 1: both really like, but I was in my little bed
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  Speaker 1: and breakfast and, you know, just like the lighting and
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  Speaker 1: everything and, and my hair was kind of grown wild
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  Speaker 1: and I've got this beard and I'm and I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at myself and it's a little bit of a silhouette
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I don't know, Bobby, if you've ever
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  Speaker 1: seen like
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  Speaker 1: I, I think it's on, I, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's Barnes and Noble or whatever, but one of the,
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  Speaker 1: one of the copies of the Odyssey, they have like
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  Speaker 1: an image of Homer on it, like what they imagined
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  Speaker 1: Homer would look like. And he's, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking in the mirror thinking I am Homer right now.
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  Speaker 1: I look like Homer. I've got the, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of crazy hair. I've got the crazy beard.
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  Speaker 1: And I decided I'm gonna ditch the Homer look and
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  Speaker 1: uh so got not Homer Simpson just to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: not Homer Simpson because he doesn't have hair, does he? No,
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  Speaker 1: he's got another look. For one thing, he's got jaundice
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  Speaker 1: or something I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get on my laptop with you guys
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  Speaker 1: so I can um I'm I'm on my phone but
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  Speaker 1: the link issues that we're having is uh it, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna make it challenging because I don't wanna hold my
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  Speaker 1: phone the whole time, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, OK, we'll keep working on it and we'll just.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just hang tight until you get it. Yes, we will.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the phones. Got some calls
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  Speaker 1: coming in at 888-564-6173. Here's Jenny in San Clemente. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Pastor's Perspective, Jenny. You're on with Brian Broderson and
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Conway.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, I love when Bobby's on the show. I just
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  Speaker 2: think he is just a genius. My ears perk up
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  Speaker 2: when I hear anything he has to say. Um, but
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  Speaker 2: I would love to get, I would love to get
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  Speaker 2: everybody's opinion here on Luke 10:19, uh, the verse that says,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we've been given.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, authority, um, you know, to trample on, let's see,
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  Speaker 1: scorpions and serpents,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah, certain, you know, all the power of the enemy,
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  Speaker 2: nothing will harm you. So one of my study Bibles, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in the margin, OK, it says, um.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, basically, uh, uh, a figurative way to speak of
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  Speaker 2: us trampling over evil, um, and some people do see
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  Speaker 2: it as a literal promise, but I have a Bible
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  Speaker 2: where that scripture is actually in parentheses and on the
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  Speaker 2: side margin.
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  Speaker 2: It says, um, something to the effect of some scholars
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  Speaker 2: believe this verse, um, uh, basically how it's like up
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  Speaker 2: in the air of whether to include it in the Bible, um,
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  Speaker 2: or they're not serve the original text. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: that Bible in front of me, but, um,
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  Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite verses. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, I want that to be a strong
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  Speaker 2: scripture that is definitely biblical. And I was wondering why,
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  Speaker 2: why did some of my, one of my Bibles kind
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  Speaker 2: of try to say that verse is up for, you know, um, interpretation, or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to get a scholar's perspective on
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  Speaker 2: that Bible
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  Speaker 2: verse.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Doctor, Doctor Bobby Conway, what do you tell Jenny?
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  Speaker 1: Well, uh, unfortunately, I'm in a bit of an ADD
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  Speaker 1: mode trying to figure out tech stuff. And so I
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  Speaker 1: am gonna have to punt, uh, by the way, if
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  Speaker 1: you guys are watching on Facebook and YouTube and Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: you're seeing Bobby in 3D right now or something. The
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  Speaker 1: camera's like right up on him. That was, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get off my phone, uh,
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  Speaker 1: so I can, uh.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever reason, my phone I'm on with you, but
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  Speaker 1: when I try to get on my with my laptop,
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  Speaker 1: it's saying that it's invalid, so it won't let me connect.
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  Speaker 1: So oh my goodness anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping I'll figure it out. That is so nerve-wracking
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  Speaker 1: when that kind of stuff happens, isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Um, OK, so Bobby has to punt.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, to me, and so I will, uh, take it away.
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  Speaker 1: So
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great passage. I agree, um, Jenny, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's a great text that I have, um, at times
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  Speaker 1: as well, just thought, you know, thank you Lord for
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  Speaker 1: this promise. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: Is there
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, you do have, um.
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  Speaker 1: Different manuscripts, of course, that are the basis for our
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  Speaker 1: New Testaments. And you have one set of manuscripts that
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  Speaker 1: is um
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  Speaker 1: Used by the King James Version and then the New
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  Speaker 1: King James use that same set of manuscripts, and they're,
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  Speaker 1: they're known as the received text. And then you have
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  Speaker 1: what's called the critical text, and the critical text is
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  Speaker 1: basically the basis for every other translation, the NIV, the ESB,
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  Speaker 1: the NASB, uh, the CSB, you name it, every, everything
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  Speaker 1: else is from the critical text. And so, um,
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  Speaker 1: What it is, is sometimes what, you know, the received
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  Speaker 1: text will have um
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  Speaker 1: A portion that the the critical text will not contain.
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  Speaker 1: And so they will go then with the critical text
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  Speaker 1: because they believe the critical text is more accurate. And
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  Speaker 1: there's a big debate about, you know, which is more accurate.
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  Speaker 1: So some scholars think because the critical text is based
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  Speaker 1: on older manuscripts, it's more accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, but others think that the, uh, the received text
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  Speaker 1: is actually a more pure text, so it's more accurate. And, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when it comes down to it, the, the
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  Speaker 1: differences are so minor, it doesn't really amount to any
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  Speaker 1: kind of a doctrinal issue. But in this particular place, um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious what version of yours omits it.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm not seeing it being omitted here.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, I, I actually couldn't find that Bible, but um
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  Speaker 2: I do have it, and it's, it's, it's in probably
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  Speaker 2: on my bookshelf somewhere, but they have it in parentheses,
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  Speaker 2: and it just, I don't know if it's because it's
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  Speaker 2: whether it's literal or whether, like this Bible says it's
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  Speaker 2: a figurative way to trample over evil, but some do
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  Speaker 2: think it's
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  Speaker 2: Um, literal, so I don't know if they're saying, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but it's literally in parentheses in one of my
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  Speaker 1: Bibles. Yeah, well, in parentheses doesn't all in parentheses means is, um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: You know, a parenthetical statement is, you kind of break
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  Speaker 1: away from the main point you're making, and then you
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  Speaker 1: say something that's related, but not necessary, and then you
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  Speaker 1: resume with what you were saying, you know, uh, so
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  Speaker 1: the parentheses, um, doesn't mean that it's not in any
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  Speaker 1: of the other texts, because as far as I can see,
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  Speaker 1: it's in all of the, uh, both the critical text
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  Speaker 1: and the received text.
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  Speaker 1: So the the parentheses would just be the translators um
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  Speaker 1: interpreting it as, um, you know, a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: side statement. Jesus is making a statement, but then he
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  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, he, he veers off just slightly.
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  Speaker 1: He's still on the point, but he veers off just slightly.
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  Speaker 1: And then it comes and then it comes right back
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  Speaker 1: to the main point.
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  Speaker 1: Do you, do you understand what I say, what I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying when I say that?
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  Speaker 2: So it is to be taken serious this text.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: yes, to be discounted or lightened, and OK, that's, that's
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  Speaker 2: really just what, what I wanted to know because it's
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite verses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said, you're gonna find a lot
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  Speaker 1: of times in scripture where you're gonna find parenthetical statements,
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  Speaker 1: and a parenthetical statement, like I said, is just a
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  Speaker 1: slight diversion from the main point.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but it's part of the main point, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just not, it's kind of like something that's non-essential to
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  Speaker 1: the main point, but it's related to it. And so
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  Speaker 1: like when Paul is writing to the Romans, for example,
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  Speaker 1: you'll find a number of parenthetical statements there because Paul's
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  Speaker 1: making an argument, and then he slightly deviates, and then
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  Speaker 1: he comes back to his main point. And the, the
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  Speaker 1: parentheses are the, are around the brackets are around the,
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  Speaker 1: the deviation.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: So, but then, you know, going back to kind of
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  Speaker 1: the question, um, like she said, one of the Bible's
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  Speaker 1: sort of says that this is, um, maybe not literal
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  Speaker 1: in the sense that you're not literally going to trample
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  Speaker 1: on serpents and scorpions. And I think that that's that's
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  Speaker 1: it is figurative. It's serpents and scorpions are representative of
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  Speaker 1: evil powers, because it goes on to say in all
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  Speaker 1: the power of the enemy.
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  Speaker 1: So you're not literally going to go around stomping on.
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  Speaker 1: Scorpions and serpents, but you are as a Christian gonna
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  Speaker 1: have authority over the
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  Speaker 1: The demonic realm. I think the real miracle would be
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  Speaker 1: to have all the serpents out of our periphery. I
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  Speaker 1: prefer to not even encounter them altogether.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Bobby, I hate to tell you this, but
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  Speaker 1: I had a gardener come by.
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  Speaker 1: The house the other day and he wanted to tell
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  Speaker 1: me about all the copperhead snakes that are out and
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  Speaker 1: about that I need to be cautious of and I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm from California.
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  Speaker 1: Where we have rattlesnakes as pets, so I'm not really
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  Speaker 1: worried about it, right? Yeah. Oh man, did you see
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  Speaker 1: the story in the news the other day about the
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  Speaker 1: it turned out to be a fake AI, uh, photo, whatever?
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  Speaker 1: Was it really? Yeah, yeah. So there was a story.
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  Speaker 1: Circulating here locally that uh not far from here in
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  Speaker 1: Santa Ana on uh Eddinger and Maine I think in
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  Speaker 1: that area uh some guy posted a photo online that
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  Speaker 1: there was this uh some kind of viper, some kind
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  Speaker 1: of venomous viper African viper yes yes.
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  Speaker 1: So people were freaking out. Oh my goodness, it's on
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  Speaker 1: the loose. What's gonna happen? And then they determined later on,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, he, he did that with AI. He even
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  Speaker 1: called the police and everything. So yeah, I mean, really, guy? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I saw it and I thought, you know, I, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I have heard of situations where people will bring different.
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  Speaker 1: Species from different places and you know, they, they can
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  Speaker 1: get loose. So that's kind of what I thought it was,
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  Speaker 1: but AI is is a much more obvious.
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  Speaker 1: What's AI generated, please say that is so good.
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  Speaker 1: All right, 888-564-6173 is the number to call. Now that
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  Speaker 1: Bobby's all situated. Uh, here's a question just for Bobby.
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  Speaker 1: It's from Denise who sent this in online. Uh, Bobby,
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  Speaker 1: how do you handle spiritual warfare? What steps did you
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  Speaker 1: take to make it go away? I experienced things like
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  Speaker 1: the things that you've experienced all my life. I do
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  Speaker 1: have people that have, that have witnessed some of these
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  Speaker 1: things with me.
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  Speaker 1: I've tried to rationalize most of it, but I do
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  Speaker 1: not have answers for them. So my question is, how
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  Speaker 1: do I make this stop? I believe God led me
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  Speaker 1: to pastor's perspective because I have searched my entire life
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  Speaker 1: for answers, and nobody has been able to help me. So, Bobby,
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  Speaker 1: in times past when you've been on the show, you've
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  Speaker 1: you've told us about the experiences you have, so for
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  Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't heard that, maybe give us an overview
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  Speaker 1: of that before you answer Denise's question.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Um, and this directly relates to God's providence and bringing, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Pastor Brian and I together, um, because where I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: head here is how God used him in a message
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  Speaker 1: when I was just a kid, uh, to literally bring
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  Speaker 1: me out of a dark night of the soul. Um,
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  Speaker 1: what took place with me is when I was getting
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  Speaker 1: my life cleaned up, all of a sudden I was
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  Speaker 1: beginning to feel, and
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  Speaker 1: I was feeling loudly, and I was catching fire for Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: and sharing Christ constantly with them, praying. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: was just a little zealot, and I started experiencing weird
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  Speaker 1: phenomenon that I couldn't even, um, hardly explain, and I
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  Speaker 1: felt weird talking about it to others because I would
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  Speaker 1: literally be in my bed, for example,
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  Speaker 1: Um, and I don't like walk around and talk about
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  Speaker 1: this a whole lot in, in my experience, because it's
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  Speaker 1: so crazy, but I can remember like, my bed would
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  Speaker 1: start shaking violently, and then I would think, am I
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  Speaker 1: being rational right now? Is this happening? And so I
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  Speaker 1: would literally be thinking to myself, yeah, I'm, I'm laying
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  Speaker 1: in an earthquake right now in my bed, and
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  Speaker 1: And
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on. There would be things
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  Speaker 1: like the sink turning off and on. Um, I had
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  Speaker 1: very weird, strange emotions that I'd never felt before. Almost, um,
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  Speaker 1: just feelings of a, of a dark spiritual sense that I, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what the emotion is outside of
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  Speaker 1: just saying that it's a, an emotion of spiritual warfare.
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  Speaker 1: And, um, I ended up going to a doctor. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I was losing weight, I couldn't eat. Um, I thought
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I was dying, literally. I thought I had cancer. And
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: then when I went to the doctor, I think I
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: was 21, and they said, you have high blood pressure,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that's what's going on. Now, I do think some of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: my anxiety, natural anxiety was a part of this. But
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I think on top of that, there was a lot
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: of bizarre things, uh, like I said, lights going off
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and on.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And this was a season, I remember specifically, my foot
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't even on the gas at the Ritz-Carlton, while I
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: was going up a hill, and my car starts accelerating.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I, I don't even know how to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: explain this outside of like, it brought me to my knees,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and I told a, a lady at the Ritz-Carlton where
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I worked, she was a Christian. I said, I don't
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: know what's going on with me. She said, I think
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you're going through spiritual warfare. Well, a week later, she
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: shows up at work, and she said, I got this
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: package in the mail.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: And I never ordered this tape, but I think it's
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: for you. I think the Lord sent it to my
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: house for you. And she said, it's a tape called
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Spiritual Warfare by Brian Broderson. I began listening to that tape,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and my dad, I had him listen to it, and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he couldn't believe it because he would watch me, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I was scared to sleep in the dark. So I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: was sleeping in my parents' family room with the lights on,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: because I didn't want all the, the chaos.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And surely that tape really began to be the thing
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that walked me out of that dark night. And then
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you fast forward about 25 years later, or whatever it is,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm on staff at Calvary Chapel Bible College and
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: never met Pastor Brian, and I tell him this story.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: About how God used this tape, and it just began
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: this amazing relationship that we have to this day. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I still, there are about 3 specific times where he
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: has clearly spoken to me, and God will put people
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: in your life, and he's a, he's kind of prophetic,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: he'll just cut through things. And it was amazing how
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: he's done that in my life. But what he brought
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: out in that tape is that Satan will use doubt.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, depression.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, fear, worry, anxiety. Uh, he'll use those type of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: things in an unexplained weird emotions. And it was exactly
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. And he said, when depression's there, it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: just kind of the, the powerhouse. And I had all
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: that going on, and I made my dad listen to it. I.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I flew to Arkansas from California to show, uh, and I,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: when I got picked up at the airport, I put
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it in the cassette player for her to hear, and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the tape got 8 on the spot. And I thought, oh, well,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll just have to tell you what was
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: going on. But that tape was huge in my life.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: So get Brian's book.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Because we don't make the cassette tapes anymore. But you know,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: every time I hear that story, Bobby, it's just still,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I think that the, the most, the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: craziest thing about it is the lady gets the tape
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: in the mail that she doesn't even order and she says, yeah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I think this is for you. It's like, what?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? And it was the very thing that
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: God took me out of. I mean, he used your teaching.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I listened to that tape. I listened to that tape
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: probably more than anybody's ever listened to a single sermon
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of yours. I just kept listening to it and listening,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and I, and I loved your voice because it was
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: just like very calming. You were just real chill, just
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: laying out the Bible, and I was like, oh man,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I love the way this guy teaches, and I just
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: chewed it all up.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I love it. Then 25 years later, we stumble into
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: each other. It's amazing. It's, it's incredible. And you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the other thing about all that too, I didn't ever
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: really know what to make sense of that, but that trial,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you know how that trial ended up helping me? Years later,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: when I went through doubt, and I was in that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: for like 10 years.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, the, the spiritual warfare was so powerful
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that I couldn't even entertain atheism in my doubts because
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I knew there was an unseen realm because of all
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that happened. So sometimes God lets us go through a
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: trial in our life, and we don't even know what's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: going on, and 20 years later, we'll be able to
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: make sense of it in light of another trial. Yeah, wow.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Anything to add, Brian? I mean, you wrote the book,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you recorded that tape. I did.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Um, well, you know, I, I do think that sometimes we.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: We forget that that there really is a battle that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: we are living in the midst of. And um I
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: think sometimes, I mean, obviously it's possible to sort of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: overstate the case and, you know, some people get into
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: kind of a superstitious mode where sort of like everything's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: the devil, you know, all the devil is and and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I think we we definitely want to be on our
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: guard against that, but
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: We also have to realize, no, there, there is a
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: battle and Paul in Ephesians chapter 6, verses 10 through,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you know, 18, uh, he, he spells out the reality.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against these
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: forces of darkness and so forth. That's a, that's a
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: real thing. And so we want to recognize that it's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a real thing and we wanna
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Uh, avail ourselves of the, the help that God's given
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: us through the what Paul there calls the armor of God,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: which is essentially an understanding and application of God's word. So, yeah, but, um, I,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the book, I, you know, kind of updated. So anyway, yeah, the,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the tape series was originally um where it started.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: But then I, I wrote a book based on that series,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and for many years it was just simply called Spiritual Warfare.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And then I changed the name to the Powers of
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Darkness and the People of God. And I'm gonna do
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: an update in the near future and I'm gonna keep
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the Powers of Darkness and the people of God, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the subtitle Spiritual Warfare because people, people
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: think like, no, I don't want that book Powers of Darkness,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: People of God. I want your book Spiritual Warfare. It's like, well,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: actually it is the same book. So it's expanded, but
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it's the same book, so.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was typing it up online just to get
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the title and something else came up. Powers of Darkness,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: The Lost Version of Dracula. That is not the book
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you want. That is not Brian's book. No, it's the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Powers of Darkness and the people of God. That's Bram Stoker.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: That's not me. Nope.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Hey, and for the record, for those that are watching, um, I,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: my hair didn't turn white in the past year. Uh,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not on my Ecam and I'm noticing it looks
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: like I've got like this completely head of white hair.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: It's actually got a lot of brown left still, so
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of bummed about, like, the glowing effect. So,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: just know that like the guy hasn't went that downhill
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that bad in one year, because I'm, I'm sitting here going, wow,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: these lights are popping on me, and I'm just looking,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it looks like.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It looks like Moses just came down from the mountain
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in this moment, right? Pastor B.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's actually on our part now. We
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: have these new filters because we don't want anybody here
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to feel like ageism is going on, so we all
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: need to look the same. Therefore, we all have gray hair.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Brian's hair is actually dark black, but on the program
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: it looks like he's gray.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Well, my identity is derived from Jesus and my due.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: So when I saw it just being completely white light,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I thought this is, uh, an unfortunate moment. But we
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: just thought that was kind of like a, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a halo, like a sort of a glow, a spirit
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: glow for sure.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: 888-564-6173 is the number to call and in case you've
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: just tuned in right now and you're hearing Bobby Conway's
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: voice and you're thinking, oh, this must be a rerun,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Bobby Hayes isn't on the show anymore. Well, he's on today. So, uh,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: call in. We still air his radio program, Christianity Still
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Makes Sense on the weekends here on KWave. That's also
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the name of his book. He's written a few books, um,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Doubting Toward Faith is another one, The Fifth Gospel. Any
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: other books in the works, Bobby?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: No, um, I haven't been doing much writing. My biggest
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: thing right now is just, um, art, art. Yeah. That's, um,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: my goal and my dream is to be able to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: serve the church for free and use my gifts in
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the church, but to be a full-time artist. And so,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the dream. And so, yeah, I've started
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: another Instagram channel 3 months ago, Bobby Conway Art.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And so, um, if anybody would be willing to check
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: that out, you can see, uh, I'm putting out like
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: 10 videos a week, would love to have you guys
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: jump on and see what I'm up to. But yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the goal is to start, um, eventually selling t-shirts and prints,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm doing commission pieces, and teaching drawing courses, um,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and then just serving in the church faithfully. But right now, that,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that could take years for that dream to come true,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: but it's become, um, something.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: That I spend quite a bit of time focused on. Yeah, so,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: so Bobby, is it, is it a, um, it's an Instagram.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Uh, what did you call it, an Instagram channel?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my Instagram account Bobby Conway Art. Yeah, is
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it you're a subscriber to it? Is it videos or just, um,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: just like a regular Instagram thing? Yeah, so like for example,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: today I've been working on, uh,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Let's see here. Yeah, yeah, hold it in front of me. Yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: we can see it right there. Yeah, yeah. So I'm
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: working on the Steph Curry, but I'm videoing it. It's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: not done, but what I'll do is I time lapse
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it and so you can see the whole, maybe a
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: 20 hour drawing process come together in 30 seconds. That
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: is amazing. So that's a lot of fun. Yeah, I've,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I've watched those and I'm just like.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, beside the, you know, just the extraordinary art gift,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think this is a cool video. I saw you
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do the Taylor Swift one and it was just cool
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to see all the little, you know, all the little
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: bits and pieces that go into it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the most amazing part is that he just picked
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: up a pencil, 2 years ago, 3 years ago, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just so unfair. Yeah, it's just some guys have all
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the luck. Some guys have all the great hair. Well, hey,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I was driving today and I was like, oh, I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like the sound of this song. I'm gonna see if
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I can sing it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So I turned it down and I sang out loud
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: for a moment, which I never do, and I said
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: out loud in the car, nope, you can't sing, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I turned it back down. So I don't think it would,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: it would require a bona fide miracle for me to sing. So, well,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that'll be, I don't have it. That'll be in your
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: next decade. I don't know. OK, we'll be right back
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: on Pastor's perspective.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: We are back on Pastor's Perspective. I'm Brian Perez here
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: with Pastor Brian Broderson and our special guest, Doctor Bobby Conway.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Haven't had him on in a while, 2nd time this year,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I think. He was one of our regulars here on
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the show. It's always good to have him back on
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: with us. So Bobby, good to see you. We were
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Talking about his Instagram channel, Bobby Conway Art. You can
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: go check that out. Bobby. I'm watching right now in
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: your studio there up on the wall. It looks like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: an Ella Langley portrait that you did, and I'm one
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: of the original Ella fellas, so I might have to
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: get that on a t-shirt or something. I don't know. Yeah,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that's Ella Langley. That's my son Dawson.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's just kind of a cool picture that I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: saw of a, I think it's a boy or a girl.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I can't tell which way, if you can see it all,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Is that Angelina Jolie on the left? Who's that? It
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: kind of looks like her. No, I, I don't know
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: who it is. I just saw this picture, and I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: thought it was really cool, like this warrior, uh, girl.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And so, I draw, I try to go between guy, girl, guy, girl,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: because if I, if I just draw all dudes, then
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it would be like a little sexism.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So, I'll draw, I'll draw both. And I, and just
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: for the listeners too, I drew, my, my strategy is
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I draw a lot of famous people, and the reason
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: that I do that is because that's not the long
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: term goal. If I draw a stranger, nobody knows.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: That I can capture essence. So if I draw familiar faces,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: then people know I can capture essence, and people search those,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: those stars. So I'm drawing people. It doesn't make my
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: drawings are nothing to do with an endorsement of the,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: of the people. It's just a face. And then eventually
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: when I grow enough, then I'll start creating faces out
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of my own head.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Because you can't sell Taylor Swift when you're done, uh,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's just part of the growth strategy,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: because sometimes Christians will be like, oh, that's so ungodly,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you drew Mick Jagger. Well, look, I mean, he's a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: human being, uh, you know, I mean, it's, it's, so you, it, it, it,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that I'm like behind everything that Mick's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: said and done, it just means that there's a cool picture,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate the picture for the picture's sake.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So, Bobby, what's the um
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You know, like the average.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Time, uh, frame for, for start from start to finish
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: with one of those portraits. I mean, they're, they're really
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: detailed and amazing. And I just, I just try to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: imagine sometimes like, how long are you actually at this?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it takes a long time. I mean, I'm
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: getting up at, I mean, I was up at 2:30
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: in the morning yesterday, I'm, but that was earlier. And typically,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I'm up in the 4 o'clock hour. And I'm doing, I'm,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going from 4 in the morning until 6 at
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: night in order to manage my church responsibilities and to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: build this drawing, uh, opportunity. So, it can take like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That Stephen Curry piece is a 5 by 7, and
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that can end up taking 15 to 20 hours for
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: a piece that size. So, um, it's just insane, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this was a commission piece that I, that I didn't fit,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: that I messed up. I don't know if you can
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: see it. So I messed this up. This isn't the
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: final piece. It took me 7 times. Wait, that's something
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you messed up. That's something you messed up.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm an, I'm an aesthetic perfectionist, so, like, you
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: wanna see, you wanna see insanity.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I'll show it to you.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Watch this.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: We love seeing insanity. Sting, I didn't like it. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: started over. I didn't like it. I started over. I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: didn't like it. I started over. I didn't like it.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I started over. I didn't like it. I started over.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: 6 stings, but I keep doing it until I get it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: But I think when you're trying to pursue hyperrealism, which
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I think is, again, the classical music of art, it's
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: highly technical. I, you have to have a lot of patience.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So I, there's, there's an example of all my failures. So,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I actually am going to be doing posts about that,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: because I don't want people to think, oh, you just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: put together this great piece and it's done. No, a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: lot of failure involved and frustration, where I even doubt myself.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Last week, I was doubting whether I was an artist.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Well, let us dispel the doubt. Yes, for sure, for sure.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I never doubt whether I'm an artist. I, I know
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: for sure I'm not. I have absolute clarity on that.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I think Brian and I can have stick figure drawing
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: competitions and, uh, yeah, you don't mind. Um, it's funny
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: because both of my daughters and my wife are, they're,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: they're gifted in artistically like that, you know, they can
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: paint and draw and things like that.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Um, both of my sons are, I think, musically, you know, pretty,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: pretty capable, both of them. And I got a little
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: bit of music and I, you know, kind of inspired them,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: but I could only take them so far before it
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: was like they left Dad in the dust. Uh, but
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: apart from that, I just have, um, nothing, you know,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I love art and art stuff and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: You know, make a clay.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Gumby
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I bet you can. One day we'll sit down next
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to each other and I'm gonna prove you wrong.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll get some play-dough and we'll see how you do.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: You know what though, for, uh, here's a, here's a,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: here's a thought. Being in ministry for so many years,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you know, pursuing academics for 30 years with, you know, bachelor's, master's,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: 2 doctorates, I mean, you can imagine all that obsession
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and studies. And I didn't have a hobby. I mean,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I just, reading was my hobby. And you had like
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: surfing as a hobby. I just didn't have a hobby.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much I paid a price for
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: not having a hobby. And how do you know when
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: it's a hobby? It's a hobby when you're able to
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: just be present and not look at the clock and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: just be totally involved in the moment. In fact, when
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you're doing your hobby, time goes by so fast, you
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: just can't believe what happened to it. And
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I just think it's important that we all
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: have a hobby in our life, because when you have
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a space where you can just be present, it's good
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: for your mental health too. Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That is for sure. 888-564-6173 is our number. Rhonda, we'll
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: talk to you after we speak with Pete in San Pedro.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Hey Pete, what's your question for us today?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, hi guys. My question is, um,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I came from it, it's coming from uh this pamphlet,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: this notes I get from through the Bible, Dr. McGee,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and it was like, uh, talking about five reasons we
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: can know.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: The Bible, we know the Bible is from God. OK,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: my question is, the um.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: The second one I think is uh we can know
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the Bible is the word of God through, wait, no,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that's not it. OK, I'll, I'll try to save time.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I'll just get to the point. One of the, one
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of the points he's talking about how he can know
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: that it is the word of God, and then he says, unfortunately,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: it's not the number one selling book in the world anymore.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: From my knowledge, I thought it always has been and
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I was hoping it always will be, but my question is,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: is that true? It's not. And if it's not, do
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: you know what is?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have always heard that statistic that the Bible
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: is the best selling book of all time. And it's true.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: It is currently true and it has been true for
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: a long time. Well, Dr. McGee died in the 80s,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: so you know, his information is gonna be a little
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: bit dated. And so I, you need to be careful
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: with that and maybe at that particular moment when he
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was saying that, you know, he was very smart.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Guy and well informed. So, you know, there might have
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: been a, a brief season where that was the case. But, um,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: The Bible is the best selling book of all time, and, uh,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: every year it outsells everything else. So I think the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: reason we might dispute this is because when we look
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: at the New York Times or something, their bestseller list,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like the Bible has been number one or
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: anything like that, but I just did a quick search online.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: According to AI, which take that with a grain of salt,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: but
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: According to Guinness World Records, an estimated 5 to 7
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: billion copies of the Bible have been sold and distributed
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: over the last 1500 years. So, I mean, that's an
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: amazing figure right there. And the top line there, uh, yes,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the Christian Bible is the best selling and most distributed
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: book of all time. And, and I know that this
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: is the case right now because I just did, um,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I did a lecture back in the summer in England.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And I did a lecture on William Tyndale, who was
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: a translator of the English Bible, and um I did
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: it with the Bible Society in the UK and you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: those stats were exactly what theirs were. So Pete, thanks
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: for calling us today here on Pastor's Perspective. Now we'll
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: talk to Rhonda in Fontana. It looks like a follow-up question. Hey, Rhonda,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: what's your uh question for us today?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Hi, um
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Actually, it's kind of about spiritual warfare, but it's not
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: really a question. Uh, I loved your conversation. I loved
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: hearing Bobby's, uh, story about it. Uh, I love Bobby's drawings.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I've seen them. Um, anyway, um, you're welcome.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Um,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to tell you guys so you
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: can pray. I've been kind of under some weird spiritual warfare. Uh,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I work for a school district, so we've been back
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: to school since August 5th or 6th, something like that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And since then till now I've been in 3 car
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: accidents on the way to or on the way home
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: from work.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Wow. Uh, 2 of them were rear-ending and one of
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: them was, um, in a parking lot.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And for the last two, which was the parking lot
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: and the rear ending, um, I've had to get lawyers
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: and I have never had to deal with lawyers. So, um, yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: because the, the parking lot guy where from the pictures
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I have, it's pretty obvious who hit who, but either way, and, uh,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: he was trying to say it was 100% my fault.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And so then he got a lawyer and I'm like, what?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I gotta get one now too.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Um, and then the last one that I had happened
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: on September 11th.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: And uh that was, I was at a signal, stopped
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: at a light and um
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: She rear-ended me and I went to turn into the
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: parking lot and I thought I saw following me, but
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: then she ended up taking off.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: And at first I was like, great, a hit and run. Now,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: what is this gonna do to me? But I had
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: a good Samaritan guy. He came up a little bit
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: later and he said, Are you the one that got rear-ended?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I said, yes, I am. And he said, I got
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: a picture and you can take my name and number.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: This is the license plate. Here's my name and number
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: for witness. So I said, oh, I'm gonna get a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: lawyer for this one too.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's right or not, but
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Um,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, one piece of advice on that, and I'm sorry
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you're getting in these car accidents, uh, that I've, I've
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: been in several when I was young, and it made
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: me very nervous to drive for a long time, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it's crazy how vulnerable we are. But my son was rear-ended,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: and in hindsight, uh, it's possible you're gonna get a
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: call from a lawyer and they're gonna try to settle
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: And they're gonna lowball something. Um, I don't know if
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you're injured. My, my son had some difficult issues going
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: on with his back.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: And I think sometimes what ends up happening is, uh,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: they'll make it sound like, oh, you know, just take
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: this or leave it. And then sometimes people will take
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a lot less, but then they might struggle with lifelong pain. So, really, um, get,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: get some legal advice about what to accept and what
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: not to accept, so that if there has been like injury.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: That's going to require a lot of adjustment, you're compensated
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: for that. Um, obviously, if there's not that kind of
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: a thing going on, then, you know, we don't just
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: want to milk the system. But sometimes people have genuine injuries,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: and they can use the help, and then they're cheated
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: out of that opportunity because maybe they didn't have legal counsel. Yeah.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the first, um, accident, it was another rear end,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: but she stayed, she was really nice. But, um,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I ended up settling real quickly with that one because
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't really hurt that bad. But then the other two,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: which have kind of impounded the pain that I had
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: from the first one, I'm like, I'm not gonna settle
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: on these ones because now I have neck and upper
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: back pain that I've never had to deal with before. Yeah. So.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, I do have a lawyer, but
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't heard much from him. It's
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: kind of like he's giving me the, give us the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: paperwork and we'll get back to them. Like, it's how
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be, or are they supposed to call
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: me more?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: So you're calling basically just for prayer because of everything
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that's been going on these past 2 to 8 weeks
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: But it feels like it's spiritual.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Warfare because like even this last weekend, I, I was
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: struggling with my depression, which I deal with, and I'm like,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: what is this? What is this? And at first I
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: was like almost to it and then I'm like, no,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: he's at it again, stupid devil. You know, he's trying
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to mess me up. And after the, the 3rd accident,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I was, I was actually in the car by myself
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm still gonna have faith in God.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I don't care what you do.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: My faith is strong and this little accident is not
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: gonna turn me away from God. So why don't you
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: just stop right now?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: If only it were that easy, right? Brian, would you
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: pray for Rhonda? Yeah, sure. Lord, we do pray for
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Rhonda and um, you know, it could be that there
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: is something going on here with warfare with these um
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: kind of back to back accidents and things like that.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: And with the depression and all that, Lord, we know
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: that the enemy has lots of different uh tactics and things. So.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Wherever he's active in regard to Rhonda, we pray that
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you would just push back on the enemy and um
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Keep her um.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: In your care, watch over her, guard her, keep her.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Lord, that um.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You are in us and greater is the one in
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: us than the one in the world. And so pray
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that she wouldn't be overly concerned or fearful in regard
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to the warfare, but just recognizing that it does exist
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and recognizing that you're the one that will um
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Help us through it, so do that for her, we pray.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Rhonda. Thanks for calling
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: us today here on Pastor's Perspective. And yeah, those hit
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: and run accidents are the worst. I was in one
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: a few months ago and a person just took off
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. So I chased her down because I'm
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: just crazy that way. But, uh, you know, at first
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: she was like, I didn't hit you. I didn't hit you.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Then I'm, I hadn't even started talking to her about anything.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: She's like, Why are you chasing me? Who are you?
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't hit you. And I'm like, Wait, wait, wait.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I haven't even said that you hit me, so I
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: don't know. People are nuts, but whatever it seems, it seems,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, people are nuts. It does seem like the
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: hit and run thing is more common today than it's
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: ever been. Just like it almost always happens. People are like, yeah,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I just crashed into that guy, but I'm getting out
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: of here, you know.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's times where people take off and
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: they don't even know if they killed somebody or not.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, how do you live with that? Like, you could,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you could be tormented the rest of your life because
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you took off wondering, did the person even survive the accident,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and you don't even know. Um, it's just a, it's
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: just a mess. Like we shouldn't operate like that.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: All because they were watching a YouTube video while driving,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I could have waited till you got home.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. That's just me. Abigail in
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Hemet listening to K Wave and calling in to 888-564-6173. Hello.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Hi, how are you?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Doing well, thanks. What's going on?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Um, uh, my husband is here too, and my family
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and I, him, me and my stepson, um, started a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: family Bible study, and we're, um, our study guide is
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: 52 weeks through the Bible by John MacArthur, and then
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: we were studying Genesis 3 the other day, and we're
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: all wondering how
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Did this serpent get there and if he was possessed
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: or if it was possessed by
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Lucifer, right? Is that your question? Yeah, yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That's all right.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So Brian, what do you say?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Ah, yes, of course, that is the case, um.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: As to how all we know is that apparently before.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: The um.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Creation of human beings. Um, the, the person that we
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: call the devil, devil means slanderer, um, had already rebelled
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: against God. So in two passages in the Old Testament, uh,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, we kind of are given
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Of a look behind the curtain at what happened with
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the fall of the of Lucifer, we can we can
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: call him Lucifer. Um, there's some, some debate about that
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: that word, but it's, it's no big deal. Um, so,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: you know, the recording of of the fall of Lucifer
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: comes in those chapters. And then we know from
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Further revelation, say, in the New Testament, Jesus says, I
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: saw Satan fall as lightning from heaven. And um, and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: then we go further into the New Testament, we find
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: in the book of Revelation, you know, we have references
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: to the serpent, the dragon, and the serpent of old
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: who is the devil in Satan. So, um, the, the
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: scriptures identify the creature in the garden as
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Satan as the adversary or the devil, the slanderer, um,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and just exactly, you know, how
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: All of that developed with the um this spirit possessing
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: this um creature.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: is beyond us. We don't know because the Bible doesn't
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: tell us. It just simply says that, um,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: The serpent was more subtle than the other beast, and
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the serpent said to the woman,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: And so, um, you know, and the word serpent, there
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: is even a word that is not necessarily uh serpent,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: although it can be serpent. Uh, some translated the shining one.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: So there's some mystery around it, but not mystery as
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: to who it is, but mystery as to how it
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: all came about. Bobby, what do you think?
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's good. I mean, when I'm reading
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Genesis 3, I think I'm looking for, on an application level, um,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: how do we resist temptation, because that Genesis 3 story
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: repeats itself several times a day in many of our lives,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and the principles are there. We are to be aware that, well,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: what does Satan do? He, well, he twists scripture.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, did God actually say, um, he'll exaggerate it or
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: he'll eliminate it. Um, and so he'll even say things
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: like in that text, um, you're not gonna die. So,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: in other words, there's not gonna be consequences for your action. You're, you, so,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: what will Satan do? He'll twist God's word, he'll tell
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: you there's not gonna be any consequences. He'll make it
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: look really appealing, and then he'll take off on you
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: once you.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: You know, take the bait. So I do think it's
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: important that we know God's word. What's interesting in Matthew 4,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: when Jesus is tempted by the evil one in the wilderness,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, Satan tempts them using Deuteronomy on 3
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: different occasions, twisting the scripture, and Jesus was able to
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: rebuke that and be able to resist what was going on.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: And I think, wow. Well, if we were being tempted
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: based on our knowledge of the Book of Deuteronomy, how
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: well would we do?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: You know, so we need to know God's word, so
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: that we can discern when the enemy's twisting scripture, and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: he does it today. I see so many people that
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: have caved into the culture, and then they have this Luke, uh,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: this wishy-washy view of scripture that's rooted in their feelings,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and it's obvious that the enemy is using scripture in
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: a twisted way, and they have failed to discern the truth,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: and as a result, we have to clean up the
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: mess in the Christian community.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: It is, as it relates to some of the poor
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: doctrines that are out there because of this.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Abigail, does this help you and your family?
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Yeah, we also compared it with um
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Matthew 4 somehow it's like a spirit, and then we're
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: just wondering too like why of all animals it was
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the serpent, but I guess it's not really, it's not clear.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: It's not that clear or it's not, it's not the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: first snake.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and, and you know, like I said, the, the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Hebrew word sometimes people will translate it the shining one,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: and then, um, dragon is also the way um he
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: is referred to.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: As well. Um, you know, we think, I think we
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: mostly think of a serpent, a snake, you know, crawling
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: on the ground. But the interesting thing is, it was
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: a result of the curse that, um, God says to
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: this creature, you shall now go on your belly, and
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: dust shall be your food all the days of your life.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: So apparently that wasn't the case before. And um, so yeah, it's,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it's one of those mystery things that we just
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: You know, so you see a snake today and you're like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, it, you know, some people
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: just are freaked out by snakes just naturally. Bobby and some, uh,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Cheryl wrote, I'd be freaked out if I saw a
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: snake walking too. So yeah, yeah, that's right. And, uh,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: but other people are, you know, freaked out, kind of like, well,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: snakes are evil, you know, because the devil, and it's like, well, no,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: snakes are still cuds creatures, but
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to mess around with them, especially
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: the AI type. Oh yeah, those are the scariest ones. Yes,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Bobby Conway, 30 seconds. I think Satan created all the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: snakes post, uh, fall.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Now that, that could borderline on Harris here. Yes, yes. Well, Bobby,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: it was great seeing you today here on Pastor's Perspective.
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  Speaker 1: We hope to have you back again soon. In the meantime, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: you can follow Bobby and his latest masterpieces on his
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  Speaker 1: Instagram channel. It's called Bobby Conway Art. But, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: good seeing you, man.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, great being with you guys as always. Yeah, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for being willing to just jump on at, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: spur of the moment. So happy to, yeah, all right, man,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see you soon, Brian Broderson. We'll talk to you
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  Speaker 1: next week. Next week, yep, very cool. All right, guys,
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  Speaker 1: God bless you. We're gonna archive today's episode, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: And we'll talk to you tomorrow here on Pastor's Perspective.