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NFL Sharp Calls & NBA guest Josh Richardson · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 4: Both talks from the NBA, maybe a little European football,
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  Speaker 4: and at the end of the show we got a
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  Speaker 4: little special treat for the fans of the show. We
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  Speaker 4: got some sharp calls man about our Week one bet
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  Speaker 4: so yeah, really fun show to this week.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, at the end of today's episode, Simon and I
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  Speaker 1: will dive into the sharp calls he received about our
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  Speaker 1: Week one NFL conversation. But first NBA Finals begin next week.
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  Speaker 1: We know the Boston Celtics will take on the are
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  Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. The Dallas Mavericks can punch their
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  Speaker 1: ticket with a win tonight in Game five of that series.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us today to discuss this potential NBA Finals matchup.
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  Speaker 1: All Things hoops. Former Boston Celtic, former Dallas Maverick, seasoned
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  Speaker 1: NBA veteran and currently with the Miami Heat, the Pride
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  Speaker 1: of Edmund, Oklahoma. Josh Richardson, what's going on?
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  Speaker 5: Josh now much man. I appreciate you guys having me in.
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  Speaker 2: We're glad you're here. We got a lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: YouTube pitch all Right. Josh Derek White the other day,
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  Speaker 1: in a story at ESPN dot com, had an anecdote
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  Speaker 1: about his Welcome to the NBA moment where he was
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  Speaker 1: just getting hounded by Pat Beverley. Do you remember, yes,
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  Speaker 1: your welcome to the NBA moment.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I'll give you two welcome to the NBA moments.
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  Speaker 6: So our first one my third preseason game. We were
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  Speaker 6: playing the New Orleans Pelicans in New Orleans. On the
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  Speaker 6: team it's me and Justice winslower rookies that teams like
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  Speaker 6: d Wade, like Chris Bosh was still playing, Amarris Stane Meyer,
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  Speaker 6: Goran Dragic, Lou All Dang, who's my vet, John Lou,
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  Speaker 6: it's my dog.
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  Speaker 5: And so we're playing the Pelicans and this is like.
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  Speaker 6: My first minutes, you know, like you know, the preseason,
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  Speaker 6: like young young guys who aren't like the top picks
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  Speaker 6: aren't really getting a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Of planning time. So I'm like you know, I'm chilling,
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  Speaker 5: like working hard off the court, trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker 5: So we're playing them and I go in in like
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  Speaker 5: the second quarter. I'm like, what I'm going to this early?
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  Speaker 5: So I match you up on Eric Gordon, great player.
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  Speaker 6: If you're looking at the goal, we're in the left corner,
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  Speaker 6: so if you're coming out, he's gonna be coming off
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  Speaker 6: of a screen to his right hand, which he loves.
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  Speaker 6: So we come off the screen. He's a shooter, so
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  Speaker 6: I trailed the screen. I'm like, okay, like I can't
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  Speaker 6: let me get this three off. He catches, turns the
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  Speaker 6: corner sharp right down the lane. I'm like, all right,
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  Speaker 6: this is right on my alley. I'm about to blaster
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  Speaker 6: this on the glass. So he goes off his right foot.
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  Speaker 6: I jump off of two my arm. I must have
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  Speaker 6: pulled my arm back completely behind my head trying to
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  Speaker 6: like block this. This man dunks the ball right like
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  Speaker 6: right on me. I'm like, there's no way, bro, there's
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  Speaker 6: no way.
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  Speaker 5: Taking out. Right after I'm walking to the bench, I'm.
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  Speaker 6: Like yo, and d Wade just like stands up in
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  Speaker 6: front of me and just gives me like the Catholic blessing.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, welcome to the league, young fellow.
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  Speaker 6: I was like, and then I'd say the second one,
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  Speaker 6: my rookie year, I didn't really play like my first
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  Speaker 6: like forty ish games, like forty two ish games, and
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  Speaker 6: so I was kind of living like vicariously through Justice.
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  Speaker 5: You know. I was like talking to him, like seeing
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  Speaker 5: how it feels out there.
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  Speaker 6: My first game getting to play because we had injuries
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  Speaker 6: was against Tharriers in twenty sixteen, and my first matchup
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  Speaker 6: is Steph Curry.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm like, all right, long story short, I go out,
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  Speaker 5: I'm aggressive.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, I felt like I, in my
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  Speaker 6: heart feel like I did a decent job. But the
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  Speaker 6: stat she will say that Steph had forty points that game.
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  Speaker 5: But and I was on him for a good majority
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  Speaker 5: of that game.
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  Speaker 6: But that was like my like, all right, Like these
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  Speaker 6: guys are really serious moment.
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  Speaker 3: What is the most competitive environment you've played in?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you've played in so many big games for
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  Speaker 4: so many different teams, Like what is the environment that
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  Speaker 4: just really sticks out in your mind as Wow, that
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  Speaker 4: was next level. I Mean we've heard all these stories
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  Speaker 4: about how crazy MSG is, but we know that, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's other places just as crazy, right, or
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  Speaker 4: is that really the pinnacle?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, MG is probably in my top three favorite
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  Speaker 6: places to play, to be honest with you, Just like
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  Speaker 6: a stage there, the people, there is one thing like
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  Speaker 6: it's like, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: This is crazy.
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  Speaker 6: Like I remember my second year in the league, I
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  Speaker 6: was going for a loose ball. Alicia Keys was sitting
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  Speaker 6: courtside and I was like, oh my god, oh my god,
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  Speaker 6: And that was this. I was like obsessed with her
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  Speaker 6: for a long time. So like that was probably my
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  Speaker 6: welcome to MSG moment. But I'd say a crazy environment
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  Speaker 6: that I played in, I probably say Philly in the
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  Speaker 6: playoffs my third year was like every game, every minute
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  Speaker 6: of that of that series was like a dog fight,
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  Speaker 6: like a real dog fight. And the fans in Miami,
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  Speaker 6: the fans in Philly, you know the history there. We
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  Speaker 6: had a great series, I feel, and it was like
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  Speaker 6: a lot of big moments, a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 6: of moments for the crowd, for us and for them
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  Speaker 6: to insert themselves into the game. So I'd probably say
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  Speaker 6: that series.
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  Speaker 2: Dallas is looking good.
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  Speaker 1: Boston, You've played with, you practiced with guys on the rosters.
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  Speaker 2: If it is Dallas versus Boston, in the finals.
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  Speaker 1: What's the biggest thing the Celtics must do against Luca
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  Speaker 1: and then vice versa, what must the Mavericks do against
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  Speaker 1: Tatum and Brown?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Boston's biggest thing defensively has got to
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  Speaker 6: be they have to send different coverages because if Luca
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  Speaker 6: gets comfortable against the coverage, you know, against the drop,
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  Speaker 6: he's gonna get the guard on his back. He's six '
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  Speaker 6: eight two forty, so I mean, as soon as he
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  Speaker 6: comes off that screen, the big guy's basically in jail.
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  Speaker 6: So I mean, I think they have to make the coverage,
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  Speaker 6: have to drop, they have to hedge, they got to
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  Speaker 6: send the blitz, so other guys, you know, have to
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  Speaker 6: play and make decisions. I think Kyrie has been, you know,
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  Speaker 6: one of the best players in these playoffs this year.
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  Speaker 5: So slowing those two guys down is really never easy.
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  Speaker 6: But I feel like their best chance is just you know,
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  Speaker 6: mixing it up with high pressure or you know, just
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  Speaker 6: just kind of switching it up and kind of letting
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  Speaker 6: him think a little more. But I mean, they have
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  Speaker 6: two of the best playmakers, scorers you know that the
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  Speaker 6: league's ever seen, almost so it's never going to be easy.
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  Speaker 6: But I say that, and then I say the Mavericks
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  Speaker 6: slowing down, you know JT.
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  Speaker 5: JB.
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  Speaker 6: You know they're white through Holiday, Hayden Pritchard, Sam Houser.
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  Speaker 6: If KP comes back, you know they have they just
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  Speaker 6: have so many weapons.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 6: I think their biggest strength is their their versatility and
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  Speaker 6: how they can spread everything around. You know, alhor for
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  Speaker 6: making seven threes in a game last week is like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you do your job and everyone else and
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  Speaker 6: then he.
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  Speaker 5: Comes out and does that. It's like, damn, like where's
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  Speaker 5: the hole at you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: And it's like they don't have any any offensive holes
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  Speaker 6: in their team.
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  Speaker 5: So basically, I'd say just being strong across.
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  Speaker 6: The board, you know what I'm saying, don't let don't
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  Speaker 6: let you know one guy, just just get going and
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  Speaker 6: get super confident. But I mean it's easier said than done.
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  Speaker 6: They have you know, two All Stars could have been
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  Speaker 6: three All Stars. KP could have been an All Star
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  Speaker 6: at some point. So I mean, Horford's been an All
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  Speaker 6: Star multiple times. So I just feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: controlling the pace of the game because you know, Luca
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  Speaker 6: likes to slow it down and kind of see the
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  Speaker 6: full court and letting him do his thing, and I
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  Speaker 6: probably said those are the biggest things for each team.
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  Speaker 1: So you mentioned you got a blitz Luca, and obviously
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  Speaker 1: one of the most important plays in this series with
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  Speaker 1: the Wolves and the MAVs was that game winning shot
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  Speaker 1: he hit and he basically had Rudy Gobert one on
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  Speaker 1: one and you put him.
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  Speaker 2: On skates when you were watching that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So when you're watching that and you see
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  Speaker 1: that as a player, are you asking yourself?
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  Speaker 2: How did they let themselves get in a position where
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  Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert.
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  Speaker 1: Ends up alone when they knew that was going to
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  Speaker 1: be the exact play. Everybody in the building, everybody watching
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  Speaker 1: the game knew exactly what was going to happen. How
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  Speaker 1: do players end up in a position where that ends
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  Speaker 1: up being the matchup that the MAVs get when everybody
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  Speaker 1: knows that's what they want.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's tough, man, because because Lucas just so
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  Speaker 6: good at like getting in the position that he wants,
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  Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: So if you look at.
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  Speaker 6: The play, like Gobert came up and it wasn't the
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  Speaker 6: plan for him to switch on to Luca, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: as a screen happened.
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  Speaker 5: Everything happened.
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  Speaker 6: Lucas so good at like he stopped, he waited, he
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  Speaker 6: got a guy on his back, he backed it up,
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  Speaker 6: and McDaniels didn't want to switch. You could see it
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  Speaker 6: in his face that he didn't want to switch after
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  Speaker 6: it happened, and Rudy just got kind of got caught
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  Speaker 6: out on an island. And you know, if you watch hoops,
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  Speaker 6: you know there's history to that matchup, you know, with
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  Speaker 6: their countries to you know, even in the league matchup,
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  Speaker 6: and Luca just like he for some reason, he loves
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  Speaker 6: that matchup.
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  Speaker 5: And so.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, if I was watching another show while the
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  Speaker 6: game was having Jamal Crawford, you know, called the exact move, like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: he's going to step back, and I'm sitting at my
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  Speaker 6: house like some of my boys are here, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: he's going to shoot a step back, and it's like
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  Speaker 6: it's one of the most unstoppable moves in the game.
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  Speaker 6: And I think Rudy is a great defender and it
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  Speaker 6: was just a tough shot to make over seven foot
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  Speaker 6: whatever guy. But when you're looking at Luca and Kyrie,
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  Speaker 6: it's like you can't really even say that at this point,
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  Speaker 6: anymore because they've done it so many times. It's like
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  Speaker 6: you got to send something else, like you got to
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  Speaker 6: make someone else beat you.
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  Speaker 5: But he's just.
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  Speaker 6: Great at manipulating the game and getting the ball to
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  Speaker 6: the spots that he wants.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's really what he did with that play.
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  Speaker 1: Hyrie is so freaking talented what he can do with
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  Speaker 1: the ball and put it on a string, and then
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  Speaker 1: his shot making around the hoop, and the fact he
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  Speaker 1: can just light it up in the second half when
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  Speaker 1: he was absent in the first half almost it will.
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  Speaker 1: What do players say about Kyrie because he's been such
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  Speaker 1: a mercurial personality for so long and the way he's
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  Speaker 1: evolved in Dallas and the way his game is elevated,
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  Speaker 1: what do players say about him as a talent when
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  Speaker 1: they are just talking amongst themselves about basketball.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it's kind of known like that.
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  Speaker 6: Kyrie is just one of the most talented, like overall
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  Speaker 6: across the board players ever to touch the ball. I
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  Speaker 6: think he has the best handle ever, like ever. I
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  Speaker 6: think he's the best ball handler ever in the NBA.
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  Speaker 6: And I think there's a lot of guys that would
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  Speaker 6: agree with that statement. You know, it's not like an
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  Speaker 6: outlandish thing to say. You know, a lot of guys like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I can see that, you know. And and just the
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  Speaker 6: way that you know, he's grown, like as a leader,
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  Speaker 6: you know, since he was in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 5: The way that he's just like kind of involved himself
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  Speaker 5: is really cool to see. You know.
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  Speaker 6: It's not great for the other side of the game
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  Speaker 6: because we're competing. It gets there and he's just like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, he's always leveling up. But you know, he's
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  Speaker 6: as a finisher around the rim. A lot of guys
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  Speaker 6: know that, Like, you know, it's a thing like you
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  Speaker 6: Kyrie was like six binds, like it'd be completely unstoppable,
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  Speaker 6: like completely unstoppable, and so just yeah, man, it's just
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  Speaker 6: a testament to his work and to his growth that
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  Speaker 6: people are seeing right now. But I mean, I think
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  Speaker 6: that he's he's always been one of the best, one
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  Speaker 6: of the best guys, you know, one of the most
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  Speaker 6: talented guys with the with the handle and finishing.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's clutch factor.
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  Speaker 6: He's made gigantic shots, and you know that that's kind
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  Speaker 6: of a kind of a a tip of the hat.
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  Speaker 6: Who is mental, you know what I'm saying, he's mentally
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  Speaker 6: so strong, you know, especially with all the things that
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  Speaker 6: he's had going on, you know, off the court, with
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  Speaker 6: the media messing with him and stuff, for him to
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  Speaker 6: just stay so locked in, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 6: that's it's uh, it's definitely something to be commended.
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  Speaker 1: Who in the Mavericks locker room or in the NBA
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  Speaker 1: anywhere is the best at either mimicking Luca or giving
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  Speaker 1: Luca a hard time for the amount that he the
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  Speaker 1: historyonics after so many shots and the amount of times
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  Speaker 1: he gets in a ref's face.
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  Speaker 5: It might be Mark Cuban. You know, Cuban makes fun
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  Speaker 5: of him for it a lot, but you know he
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  Speaker 5: does the same thing when he's out there.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he's the score tight every game, and he's
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  Speaker 6: always you know, so into the game and and letting
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  Speaker 6: the rest have it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, It's cool to.
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  Speaker 6: Have an owner that's so like involved and invested in
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  Speaker 6: what's going on for the game.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of like a player that don't
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  Speaker 5: really like you know, Maxi kleeber Kyan messes with him
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  Speaker 5: about it. I don't know if he still does. When
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  Speaker 5: I was in Dallasy, it definitely a little bit, but
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  Speaker 5: nobody really just like messes with him about it.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of just like a thing, like all right,
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  Speaker 6: just let him, just let him go and hopefully doesn't
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  Speaker 6: get a tank.
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  Speaker 4: It makes you so happy here and you give Kyrie
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  Speaker 4: as flowers just because I think it is immediate thing, right,
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  Speaker 4: I think real basketball players and Hooper is like Kyrie.
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  Speaker 4: Like Kyrie says some crazy stuff every now and every
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  Speaker 4: now and then who cares? It was really like Boston
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  Speaker 4: that whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: I like, that's why I went.
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  Speaker 4: The redemption, Like I don't want to get into all that,
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  Speaker 4: but him if he would beat Boston. I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: love Kyrie. I'm biased as well, I should say up front,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a Duke fan, so to me, you know, when
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  Speaker 4: I first got into Kyrie, we have the wreck playing basketball.
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  Speaker 4: Buddy was like, dude, he's he's literally Jason Williams, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, nah, he's not Jason Williams. He's like, wait,
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  Speaker 4: do you see this kid? Because he watched him in
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  Speaker 4: high school and he is so much Again, Jason Williams
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  Speaker 4: is incredible, but Kyrie is another level. Like like you said,
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  Speaker 4: the handling, he is in a box with three guys
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  Speaker 4: around him, and he can get out of that box.
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  Speaker 3: It's it really is something special.
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  Speaker 4: So you're talking about here the defense, Why is there
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  Speaker 4: no adjustments to make because we know the defense gets
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  Speaker 4: so hard and intense in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Is there just no adjustment?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 4: Is Luca and Kyrie that like people are talking about
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  Speaker 4: one of the best back courts in all basketball? Is
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  Speaker 4: there no adjustment? Like because people keep saying, well, Boston
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  Speaker 4: has the guys, right, Jalen Brown is one of the
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  Speaker 4: best defenders. I mean, we're talking about a team here
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  Speaker 4: that has the guards. Apparently, is this like the Dreams
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  Speaker 4: and there where it's like, no, there is nothing that
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  Speaker 4: can stop Luca or Kyrie.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: What's your review on that?
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: And one thing, you know in the playoffs, defense really
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: like changes Like defense really like.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Hunkers down, you know what I'm saying.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Like you're having like our hour and a half two
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: hour film sessions, you know, on every day between games
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: and so like if they call a play, like the
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: other team knows to play, like it's not like they're
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: like like you're watching on TV and.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, how that guy gets so open? You
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: know they should know that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: Like there's never that unless like somebody just completely blows
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: a coverage, And at this point in the season, if
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: anyone besides like the superstar and the team blows like
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: blows or coverage.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Like that, it's going to be a huge issue. You
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. They're probably coming out of the game,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: to be honest.
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: And so a lot of it just comes down to
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: like making plays like Mino even Mino me and you
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: like I'm better than you. Basically is what they've been
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: doing a lot of these playoffs, and you can make
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: whatever adjustment you want, man Like it's it's usually going
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: to come down to shop. Like a lot of the playoffs,
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: like you see in the regular season.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: A lot of layups and threes. That's the thing. Like
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: today in the NBA, like we got to.
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: Get lay up, we gotta get a three, like analytics like,
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: come on, let's let's do it. But in the playoffs,
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: the game slows down. A lot of it comes down to, Okay,
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: who can get a shot up. We can't get a turnover.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: They're sitting on every action. Who can find like this
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: much space to get that mid range off or to
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: get that you know, that floater off. You see Kyrie
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: shots and floaters, which is like, who else really does
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: stuff like that besides like Mike Conley, who has the
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: best off handed floater in the league. But yeah, a
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: lot of it's just just stop.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Making defense in the playoffs. We talked a little bit
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: about this before we all went on the air. You
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: are known as a defender. It's how you've made your name.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: In the league.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And even when you were in high school, when you
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: were in college, it's not like you were a guy
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: scoring thirty points a game, right, you were a guy
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: who has made his way into professional basketball as a
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: staunch defender. Explain how it levels up in the playoffs,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: because that is what's constantly talked about, is how much
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: harder defense gets.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, yeah it does. And I kind of
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: touched on it just a minute ago. It's just like.
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: The preparation I think is the biggest change in defense
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: from like regular season a playoffs because regular season you're
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: playing different guys. You know, you look at the Scott
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: and Porton team for a couple of days, you know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: if you get lucky because we play every what two
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: nights on average, you know what I'm saying, So even
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: on back to backs, like you're scouting Porsch that morning,
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: and you're just gonna have to go off of that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: But now, you know, you're just sitting there just like
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: studying these guys, studying the percentages, their tendencies, where they
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: like to go, and you know, the players that the
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: teams like to run with, what personnel, and I mean
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: the physical like aspect of the defense, I feel doesn't
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: really change. It's just the small adjustments and and the
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: amount of time you just literally spend in the film room,
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: you know, seeing the best way to stop these guys.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Who do you like to watch defensively to pick up
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: tips that you think nails it in the NBA right now?
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: I think Drew Holiday, man, I think he's just done
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: like such a great job, you know, as a perimeter
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: defender myself. I think I see a lot of things
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: that he does on the court that that I could
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: really you know, pick up from or take from. You know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: he's a pest and I've seen him bother some of
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: the best players in the NBA for forty minutes in
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: a game, and it's like like, man, like this guy
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: can't even like really get a shout out. He can't
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: even really get to the spot he wants to Drew
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: is just like blowing every play up.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Drew is just his mental like he's a step ahead
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: of everything.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: And you know it's some great defenders, but his his
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: like cerebral aspect on the defensive game is like next
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: level I go and.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I love Drew.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Also, he's a guy who he went through a lot
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: in life, Like people don't know his story of what
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: he's gone through, but read into it like this, I'm
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  Speaker 4: a sitrus man, so I have found his career since
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: he was seventeen, Like we literally took this kid and
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: he graduated college early, like he was legit seventeen eighteen
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: when the Sixers took him. So yeah, like you breaking
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: it down there, it's it's so true like this this
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: guy people kept writing him off. Right when he got
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: traded from Milwaukee, people wrote him off. And again here
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: he is and the NBA Finals is a key piece
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: to this Celtics team.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I love that you're giving him praise.
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  Speaker 1: What is it about their system and obviously you're back
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  Speaker 2: How do they manage that development?
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  Speaker 6: For me personally, I didn't at the time, I was frustrated.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't love it, you know.
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: But first of all, with the Heat culture, I think
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: the biggest separator from that and other teams is the
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: accountability aspect of it. You know, Like I've been on
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: a few teams where it's like, you know, yeah, like
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: things are things are cool, things are nice, like the
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: team has good chemistry and everything, but like once it
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: really comes down to the accountability across the board is
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: just not always there. And so sometimes people can get
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: sensitive about some things and here like that's non existent.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Like they've done a great job of like.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Of like weeding out the the aspect of like conflict
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: when it comes to like accountability, like you're doing this wrong,
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: you're doing this wrong, blah blah blah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Like we'll go at it and like people will argue,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: people might fight, you know what I'm saying.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: But ooh, and the coaching staff do a good job
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: of letting it go and letting the guys like handle
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: it themselves and solve with themselves. It spoke and the
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: coaching staff are part of that, like they hold themselves accountable,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: and I think it's a big deal that, you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: they let us hold them accountable.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: Too when necessary.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: But for me, my rookie year, not playing, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: he told me before the season started, was like, you're
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: probably not gonna play much like you're probably you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: not gonna suit up a lot of these games, your
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: first like a couple of years, honestly, But I was
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: ready not.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: To play for a long time, and so I'm on
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: the scout team for a long time. He's like, treat
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: this like your game.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: I was like, I was that guy in practice that
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: like everyone like kind of like this, this freaking guy
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: like he's going extra hard in this drill, like this
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: is not even that time, and I'm like trying to
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: like like run myself into the ground. I'm like, I
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: don't care. I'm trying to.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Be the best of this. I'm going to get this.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: And I'm like traveling with the team and I'm not
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: getting to play though, And so the coaches did a
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: good job of just staying in my ear, like just
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: keep working. It's gonna be a time where Spoe's gonna
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: have to throw you in there in the fire, and
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: you gotta be ready when that chance comes, you know
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And so I'm still working. I'm kind
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: of like started asking to go to the D League
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: at the time, the G League now, but I was like,
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: can I just go down there and like, you know, play,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: like get a couple of games, you know, maybe see
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: like put some of this stuff into use.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: And so they.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Finally sent me, and I go down for four games,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: and I average probably like twenty eight a game.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: And like it was a blessing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: We had just played in Santa Cruz and I got
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: called up to the team like right after that, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: because a few of our point guards got hurt, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: then I played a gameless season after that.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You mentioned accountability, which is really interesting, and you say
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that the players will hold the coaches accountable. Give me
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: an example of what that looks like in either of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: your stints with the heat.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so those foe will have like in preseason, he'll
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: have like, you know, guys, come talk to us. You
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: know what I'm saying and kind of like like kind
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: of like class, you know what I'm saying, Just to learn,
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: because spose a big like component of learning and like
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: better in yourself. And so we had like these Navy
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: seals come and when when somebody would say something and
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: like to you, like for example, like if you were like, Ja, Rich,
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: I need you to to be better on this, like
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: on that coverage because you're blowing it twice blah blah blah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: I'm like and then I would say, okay, check like
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: because they say check once like they understand what's being said.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: And so probably like my third actually, all through my first.
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: Few years after that, like we be in huddles and
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: like spoke sometimes would like get into the game and
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: he get like really passionate and he kind of like
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: take it over the top, which is fine, like it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: good to have a coach that does that sometimes because
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: you know they care. But like sometimes people would say
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: like put it in the box, which means forget about it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: It's over, like we're moving on. And so.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: All throughout both stints here, like if something happens with
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: the coach, they say put in the box and literally
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: like you're right, check and then we keep going.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Like it happened in Phoenix this year.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: We were getting by the suns and third quarter starts,
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: we're getting smacked. They go on an early run in
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: the third quarter and Spoe comes back, throws the clipboard
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: the bench and BAM's like, coach, that's not helping us, Like,
• 27:48
  Speaker 6: that's not helping us right now you're doing that. It's
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: really back in and figuring this out. It's like, you're right,
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: and we sat down and got to it. We still lost,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: but it was a good moment for you know, the
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: chemistry I feel, so.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Before you get out of here, I knew you gotta
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: get going. As a defensive player, who's the hardest guy
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to defend for you ever?
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: I would say James Harden on the rockets. James Harden
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: on the rockets. And it's like, towards the end of
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: the stint there was completely unguardable.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: How come the step back man?
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: The step back he changed the league and the way
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: he was so good at drawing those fouls. He was
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: incredibly explosive off his first step, but his deceleration and
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: step back was also like top notch, best I've ever seen,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: so I'd say James just from three level scoring, getting
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: in the paint, still dishing, still being able.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: To shoot from thirty feet with no like, no issue.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Josh Richardson, Miami Heat, NBA vetter in thanks for joining
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  Speaker 1: would have a segment of sharp calls.
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  Speaker 5: Hello, who's there?
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking rain.
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  Speaker 5: Range telephone range, somebody saying what man?
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  Speaker 3: So where do you want to start, Chatt? You want
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  Speaker 3: to know what we got right, what we got wrong?
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: But we mess I want to start with what you
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: told me is what everyone thought I got right.
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  Speaker 4: Uh that's very unbranded. Yeah, So number number one call
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  Speaker 4: definitely a lot of love for the cardinals. I thought
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  Speaker 4: that was the Joe public play of the offseason.
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals, by the way, seven point underdogs.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: They're playing the Bills, and I've seen a couple couple
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: of respected off short books hit plus seven and a half.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: So even though the pros love this Cardinals number, you know,
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  Speaker 4: this is a game that I think books are expecting
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: just to be a really big time teaser parlay games.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: So like another reason why me and Chad will probably
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  Speaker 4: take this money down and throw it into Ron Robin
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: because this is a big this is a big teaser
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: parlay breaker. But I kind of bad mouthed Kyler, and
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  Speaker 4: I got a bunch of guys reaching out to me
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  Speaker 4: saying Tyler has kind of changed, He's kind of grown
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  Speaker 3: Apparently he's living in the building.
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  Speaker 4: He's there all day, every day, even before he was
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  Speaker 4: required to show up, he's been showing up and been
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: put in the work. And so if that's true and
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: we kind of see that this summer and it keeps
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: it holds water, then I will backtrack on what I
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: said that he wasn't fully committed. I thought he was
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: more committed to you all field stuff and playing video games.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: But if Kyler's all.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: In He's one of the best athletes I've ever seen,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: and now you're thrown in, you know, one of the
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: best receivers I've ever seen in college football now coming in.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: We've seen the transition, right Cheat, there is no waiting
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: period usually for these guys. Usually they come in and
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: they just dominate and as we expect marbon Aris Junior.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: So you're going up against a team that's lost all
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: the receivers and a team that's added one of the
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: best receivers of football.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: So I understand they're logic here.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: They're they're saying the back door will always be open
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: in this game, and that the Bills. I keep thinking
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: of the Bills like yesteryear, of this higher powered offense
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: that could really put it onto teams. But I think
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: with Chad Shake said, it's probably right what these professionals said.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: I think Chad's want to say now, which is like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: this isn't the same Bills team. I don't think they're
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: gonna be blowing teams out like they used to be.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Chad's feeling pretty good here the pros. I
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: agree with him on taking this plus seven.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Chad feels pretty good all the time, Simon, But He
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: feels especially good when the wise guys agree with one
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  Speaker 2: Our other picks.
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  Speaker 1: Our foxhol bet was gonna be Pittsburgh plus three. I
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  Speaker 1: could the Fox will be Pittsburgh plus three? Like that
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: feels like the most public bet you could possibly make.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be on that bet. Any feedback on that one?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lanta is a new shiny toy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: I disagree everyone's gonna like Kirk, Everyone's all in on
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: them to win the division. They're just they're over is
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: getting hit. I talked to a bunch of bookmakers. I mean,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: everyone's all over this to Atlanta team they are. It's
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: it's exciting. If you're Atlanta fan, you got to be excited,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: like you have all the toys, You've just never had
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: the conductor and now you got it in Kirk. But
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: me and your reasoning is so true. You have a
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: guy coming off a major injury in his first start
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: on a new team, going against arguably the best end
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: in the last five six years in JJ Watt or
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: you know I shouldn't say j J Watt sorry, but yeah, yeah,
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: I just couldn't. I was like, I can't believe it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I just called him JJ, But yeah, it's it's it's
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: it's just a spot we and Chat like to take.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: And I've heard the pushback as well, where guys are
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: taking the two and a half on the Falcons. That's
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: what I think the value is when me and Chat
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: think the value is on Pittsburgh are And I know
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: I've had a couple of people to say, well Pittsburgh
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: actually gets out slow, didn't mean you win a big
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: bet on Pittsburgh's money line against Joe Burrow, Like that
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: was week one when they beat them two years ago.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: So you know, don't have react to last year they
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: got blown out by the forty nine ers. Me and
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: chatted right there with you people like no one saw
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: that coming. We should have hidsights twenty twenty. But I'm
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: not going to react to what they've done the previous
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: first weeks of the year. I'm looking at this year
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: and I I'm not even It's not even that it's
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: so much me betting on Russell Wilson or Justin Fields.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: It's really us about playing the number and what I
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: think is a nice matchup for the Pittsburgh's defense.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: So I agree chat, I understand the pushback. I just
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: think we're playing the number YREH plus three.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: New York Giants minus one that was our Simon says.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Agreement, like again, started to be boring about it, but yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: the pros like it, and then the pros that are
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: on the other side, they just view this Giants team
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: is kind of overrated, right, and I'm my disagreement with
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: them is how are they over rader? And they're saying, well,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: people like you keep saying that, Well, they had that
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: great run two years ago with Daniel Jones and him
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: beating Kirk and the Vikings in the playoffs, and that
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: was kind of a flucush Shei's and where last year
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: was more the reality.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I just disagree with it.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: It's like, I think they've added a superstar ride receiver potentially,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: and I think they've proved a little thing on the
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: offensive line. I think their defense too, is going to
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: be better than it was last year. So last year
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: was such a fluky year. I think they started one to.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Five the Giants.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: That was just the start from hell, and then the
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: guy gets hurt and it just all fell apart, where
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I again, this isn't a split I think more professionals
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: are on the inside. I just viewed this as a
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: slam dunk. I told you I got this at three,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: so it's like two points of value and the number
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: is not really budget. I mean even some books shaded
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: towards the Vikings, so it means Vikings money still coming in.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: So they're just another team I think is getting too
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: much love.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: And I just think J. J.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: McCarthy's gonna have insane growing pains. A guy who you
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: know maybe threw the ball ten to fifteen times any
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: given start in college, he's gonna have massive growing pains.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: And again, if it's Sam Darnold, even better. So I
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: just I think this Giants teams being undervalued here. But yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: not there's one game we're gonna get through that. It's
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: extreme love Chad. This Unfortunately the Giants game was not.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It was it Chad Mellman's exact decision of the Indianapolis
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Calls plus one and a half at home against the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Houston Texans, one of two road or home dogs in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Week one, right now, Yeah, I.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Have this smite Chad down real quick.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: It was one of my favorite bets before he got on,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: So Chad knew I already loved it, but yeah, the
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: pros love it. It's the definition of why I mean,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Chad love making these kind of bets. It's like we
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: are enamored with the upside of the Colts. We love
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: a good home dog, and not only that it's a
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: home divisional dog. Then you add in this Houston team
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: is I mean, we talked about hyped up teams here.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Houston's got to be number one, right, I mean, look,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: any talk to anyone I think Meetchat are gonna make
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: our own stupid top ten lists this summer QB list.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: He's probably gonna be in there, like CJ is just
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: it's of course, yeah, we're all enamored with him, like
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: watching his film, all of it, and we say time
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: and time again, you get a full season, they get
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: film on you, and then there's adjustment. That's why usually
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: the best time to bet these guys to get MVP,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Like the time we got Lamar. Lamar played three or
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: four games with the Ravens, then we got a nice
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: fifty to one him. The next year, Mahomes came in
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: only played one game, right, and then the second year
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: he kind of took the league by storm. Then obviously
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: the adjustments come. So yeah, this the CJ thing. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: get the love for them, but this was this was
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: a game I knew meetchat we're gonna love. But it's
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: nice to know that basically every pro I've talked to,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: they're all over this Colts number and again, do you
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: want to do it?
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: A teasers?
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Go ahead?
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: But I got no issue taking the plus one and
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: a half or ticking the moneyline here. I just I
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: love this matchup with the Colts team, not just offensively.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I think their defense actually gives CJ's bigger problems than
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: people realize.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: You loved it, you put me on to it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: But when it came down to it, Simon, one of
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: us chose the Giants, one of us chose the Colts.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: One of us, by the way, did not fall for
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: choosing the Tennessee Titans, and neither of us fell for
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: putting them in at plus four and a half against
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the Bears. Into our big balls better of the week,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: we went with the Los Angeles Rams as road dogs
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: against the Detroit Lions plus three and a half.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: To me, it came down to this game and the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Jets against the Niners. You felt the Jets was.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: A little bit too public, a little bit too on
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the nose. You convinced me the Rams were the way
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Did the wise guys agree with us?
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, guys love it and they have the same view
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: as me.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: It's just you're getting Stafford at a great number against
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: a team that I know they went down and drafted
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: guys and had the guys of pregency that secondary. I'm
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: happy to make bet on it to see if they
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: can improve it. Chad, I mean me and you historically
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: have done well taking these kind of points with a
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: good quarterback against the Detroit team that just always has
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: the back door open.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: So to me, it's I don't even know. I'd say
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: a point and a half a point of.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Value just because Detroit is, you know, like people like
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: me that are saying they had them as their third
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: best team in football right now and their model. That's
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: it's just crazy to think that Detroit has come that far,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: that they've drafted this well, and that golf has worked
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: out this way. I mean, one of my more embarrassing
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: clips is when I first started here with doing the
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: show with Chad, I laughed at Jared Goff. I thought
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: he was gonna be at the league. I think they're
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: zero for nine, and me and Chad won this insane
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: money line bet on them to upset the Vikings.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: I mean you laughed.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: We're like, well, let's enjoy because we'll never another dollar
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: on Jared Goff's money line, Like he'll be out of
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: the league this summer because they're going to draft the quarterback.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I mean now he just got paid again. He's gonna
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: be the highest paid quarterback. So yeah, that was one
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: of my bigger missues. Like, but what they've done with
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: him has been incredible. So me and Chad once again
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: are playing.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: The number here.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: I still think this will get to three. I just
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: think the professionals will come in on it. It's actually
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: come down the juice though, So as a couple of books,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: I always paying minus one twenty for the plus three
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: and a half. Now there's a couple of minus one
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: tens out there, people on the rams. So clearly money's
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: coming on Detroit here. But again, not any pro I've
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: talked to, Like most guys I've talked to, they're just
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: they're gonna take the points here with Stafford and McVeigh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: like this is a nice spot historically for us to
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: take these kind of points with this RAMS team.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: All right, so that's sharp calls.
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