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Don't Worry Darling - Season Three Premiere · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Harry Styles was looking for fine.
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I must admit. He was lookin so fine.
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Like I said before I'm not the biggest Harry Styles fan.
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I like him but then this with this movie I'm a Much more of a
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hairy style for I was before glass, and I'm Spencer Williams.
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Hey Lizabeth! Hey Spencer, how's it going?
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It's going, welcome back. Season 3, happy New Year.
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Happy New Year. Have you been?
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I've been fired, I am I completely finished the Big Bang
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Theory and caught all the way up with young Sheldon.
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So, I've accomplished a lot, well, that's good to hear
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because every time I ask you, if you watch this watch that it's
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always Big. Bang Theory, which is pretty
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frustrating for me. So happy to hear it.
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Now that won't be the answer. How about you?
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You, I've been hibernating for a few weeks.
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Yes. Yes.
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So that's been really good. Just watching lots of TV.
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Lots of movies. I've been cleaning non-stop.
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Binge eating all the destructive things.
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I have been cleaning so that's good.
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That's good. But like all the holiday eating
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like, I'm in so many cookies in the past month.
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It's like not, okay? And then my mom made more
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cookies last night and I'm like Well well you'd have to here we
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go. Oh my gosh.
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I had a serious binge eating attack last night.
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I was getting ready to watch one of our movies.
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We're going to have on the podcast soon.
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I went to Target for some reason.
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I was so stressed. I went and got alcohol and then
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I got ice cream and then I went to McDonald's and got chicken
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nuggets and fries like I had a real.
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Are you okay? That is very unlike you I have
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Don't fully reintegrated into society after hibernation.
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I don't think I've ever heard you do something like that.
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Yeah, it was really unlike me I don't even like McDonald's but
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for some reason I was like I need a spicy coconut fries.
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I was going to say what no, no in and out like I don't want to
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wait in line, that's how desperate I was, you know, I
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understand that. But you know where you don't
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have to wait in line. Spencer.
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I think I know where you're going with this in Victory.
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This week, we watched. Don't worry darling.
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Oh gosh. This movie was wild.
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Yeah, so excited because around this movie was wild.
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Everything about this movie is wild.
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I've been so excited to see his movie.
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The Hype was stupid crazy for it.
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All the drama was so ridiculous. And like, so many people told me
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I wasn't going to like it. Hey, watch it.
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And I actually really like this movie.
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You. So, it was a little extra on all
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of your parts, not you, but everyone listening and talking
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to us Society, you were a bit much.
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I like I had no interest in watching it, like, I like Harry
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Styles, but I'm not like a big Harry Styles fan, so I wasn't
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like crazy. Like I gotta watch it for Harry
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Styles and I like Florence pube. And again, it wasn't like, oh, I
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have to watch this for Florence, Pugh, and then just so much.
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Happened around it, right? So the trailer and the trailers
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were so pretty. I was like, well, I guess I'm
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going to watch this now, right? It had all the ingredients to a
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movie that you, and I would definitely want to watch.
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So and you know, I love the costume designer, I'm a big
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Florence Pew fan. I mean, I'll watch anything.
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I mean, I have, let's just be real.
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I have a huge crush on Florence Pew.
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You do and then Harry Styles, of course.
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So I had to see what, what he's about in his first big.
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Film. Not counting the eternals.
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Yes, yeah. Yeah.
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This is, this was a movie. It was interesting.
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I think you liked it more than I did.
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Definitely. Yeah.
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I could tell. As soon as I start texting you I
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was like I loved it and it was like dot dot dot.
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So like the first time I saw I saw this back in October in the
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theater. I was like, okay, that was a
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film. Okay.
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And I think I liked it better. The second time around when I
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want to like in the comfort of my own home, right.
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I wish they watched in theaters. It's on HBO Max everyone.
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Just so, you know. Yeah.
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But I don't I'm like so many questions.
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Like, can someone just take this and make like a miniseries right
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out of the are like a TV. Like it's like this would make a
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great HBO show. Oh, that's a good idea actually.
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Just Call it Victory, right? Because I would have liked one
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episode. I guess we should give her a
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spoiler warning. Now, if you haven't seen, don't
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worry darling. Now's your chance to turn us off
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and come back and yeah, in an hour and a half.
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Oh yeah, I really like everything.
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I would have liked an episode in a miniseries like when Florence
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spews character wakes up, that would have been cool.
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That's what I wanted, but but I think we all get the point.
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She woke up in this real Christian apartment, next to a
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dead Harry Styles. Reuben tuna cans and cat food
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and yeah, but like even at the end when Gemma Chan is like it's
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my turn. I'm like, what does that mean?
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Yeah, it's wild but you know, what?
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Spencer, why don't you give us a summary.
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All right, don't worry darling. Alison Jack lived in the
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idealized community of Victory and experimental company town,
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that houses the men who work in a top secret project.
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Oh well the husband's toil away, the wives, get to enjoy the
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beauty luxury and debauchery of their perfect Paradise.
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However, when cracks in her ID lick Life, begin to appear
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exposing flashes of something sinister, lurking below the
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surface Alice. Can't help a question exactly
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what she's doing in Victory and that is, don't worry darling.
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That is. Don't worry.
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Darling. Once again we haven't spoiled
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anything yet. So like well except the ending,
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but Say why Gemma Chen, said it was her turn, right?
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So this is your very last chance to get out of here, right?
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Because you gotta watch this movie to believe it, but going
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behind the Wardrobe, we have director, Olivia Wilde, and
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costume designer, Ariane Phillips, you will know her work
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from the crow Girl. Interrupted Walk, the Line
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kingsman, the Secret Service kingsman, the Golden Circle
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Well, once upon a time in Hollywood and she has designed
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like the majority of Madonna's music videos and tours over the
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last like 20, some odd years. Yeah.
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Ariane is a certified badass. I didn't know she did the crow.
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That's super cool, I love the crow, but once upon a time in
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Hollywood, is I think my favorite Tarantino film.
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I love that movie, I still need to see it but I've loved seeing
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like images from it because it is Beautiful.
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She did a great job and it's really interesting in a lot of
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these, the interviews for don't worry, darling.
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She was also asked about don't work Once Upon a Time in
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Hollywood and I was like come on let's let's keep it on track.
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Yeah, come on people. This was one of the first films
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to kind of get shut down by covid even before it started
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pre-production. Which was supposed to start
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March 15th of 2020. But That was the day of the
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lockdown, so they were like, oh, I think we all remember that.
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We can very well. Yeah, they were like, oh, okay.
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And when Ariane talk to the costume designers, Guild, she
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said I was worried that was the end of it and she found the
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whole process of Designing during the lockdown daunting.
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She talked about her first time meeting with Chris Pine to the
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costume designers. Guild.
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She said I knew I'd probably only get two fittings with him
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and he had a lot of costumes. I want an actor to feel
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comfortable in the fittings because let's face it were the
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only Department that can say hi. Nice to meet you.
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We're going to put some clothes on you get naked nice.
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So she was she didn't know what to do because she's like how do
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I like get these actor to like trust me and collaborate with me
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when like I can't even meet them right in real life.
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So she did like what a lot of us did and got on Zoom.
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She said we spoke while they were in the comfort of their own
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homes. I listen to their ideas and we
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discussed the character before the fitting.
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I'll carry that with me as an incredible asset during covid.
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We all learned how to communicate remotely, I felt
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like I got more input than I would have normally having this
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creative connection during such a challenging time was a gift.
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Mmm, So, she was like, okay, not ideal, but she made the best of
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it and you can really tell from how it all came together.
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How, you know, all the actors I will say, they look so
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comfortable like in their costumes, like, they really do
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look like they're just like sitting around in their
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day-to-day clothes, which for a period piece.
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Sometimes, it doesn't always feel that way, but they all look
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very relaxed in the Colorful World of Victory.
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She said to elle.com color and silhouette are always my first
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approach. When designing, especially in
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this period, mid-century film design is built into literally
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the way Victory is designed. You see the little model that is
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in the prop, in the movie. Mmm.
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So, she's very right. That whole like the whole like
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Hollywood, like look up, Of the mid-century is literally just
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what victory is great. Yeah.
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It's all. Once you like see the movie and
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kind of go back, like this is just like one big Disneyland
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set. You know that you would like
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walk into mid-century world or whatever.
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Yeah, there were definitely like back.
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Lots that looked exactly like this with like prop homes and
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everything and because she's designed for this period quite a
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bit and again Talking to costume designer, Guild.
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She said, when I design a period film, I always love the mixture
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of made to order. And the real thing,
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unfortunately, there's not a lot of originals from this time
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period, that are in great shape. Luckily, we were working with
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Western costume, Eddie marks and his assistant, Kristin, and were
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fantastic. We built many costumes in the
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workroom. We also had an incredible
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pattern maker and fitter Joanne. Mills from local, Well, 705
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building in house. Hmm.
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So which I never really thought of that before.
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But I'm like, that's probably true.
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Like, this is one of the first time periods where, like met to
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we're kind of like not fast fashion yet but faster fashion
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right? Was, you know, coming in to the
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picture. So yeah, those clothes were
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worn. They were worn a lot and like,
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know, they're probably not day to day, whereas, probably not
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in. Shape right with.
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So interesting that once we get into the film though, but like
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remember that scene when they're like at the store and they're
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buying clothes, like, right off these baubles like it's kind of
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like a crazy way think about its these men, designing, this world
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and they're like, coming up with these like ultra high fashion
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looks. They're still kind of modern in
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a sense, but trying to be this mid-century look and it's kind
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of a mind for I found that are really interesting.
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Not that. I heard it talked about a lot,
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but there is like a, there's a very modern feel to all that.
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I mean, just like the diversity of a victory, you can see.
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Like, there's that kind of modernization because if this
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was like a true period piece, like Victory would not be that
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diverse, right? And then but you do also see it
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in the clothes like the first thing that kind of like made
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when I first saw it I was kind of taken aback was when they're
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at the pool. First time with like the new
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wife, right? And a woman like Walks Behind
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them without a top on. She's got bikini bottoms and no
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top. Right, I guess I did see that.
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Yeah. I was kind of like taken aback
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and I was like, because I, before I realized the twist was
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like, oh, was she's in a virtual world?
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I was like, wait, how are they all?
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Okay with this. Yeah, like no, no one was
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batting an eyelash normal like. Well, yeah.
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That's a very modern. That's very modern like this
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values. Haven't changed being put into
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this world. It just the whole aesthetic is
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mid-century. But they're still living with a
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21st century mindset. That is so wild.
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I thank you for bringing that up because I haven't thought about
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that part yet. And this whole thing is like
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this screwed up. You know, metaverse, I would say
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designed by men. Yes, of course, there's women
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walking around topless because this is all designed in the eyes
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of men. So it's all wow.
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My brain is literally exploding right now.
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It's true like that would not happen in the actual mid-century
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sell like, it's all wild. So the whole thing is, you know,
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pretty creepy. If you're looking at for my
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costume design point of view, which really points to the
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genius of Ariane Phillips. Exactly.
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Exactly. And I cannot wait to get into it
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some more because she has done quite a few interviews.
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But after this little break through break Spencer, are you
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ready to jump into it? I gotta go lay down after that
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behind the word. JoJo fact.
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But yes I'm ready. Let's take a quick break.
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Are you ready to sit by the victory pool?
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I actually let's be real for the first, like, 45 minutes of this
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I was actually like it's kind of nice.
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Actually I could picture myself in Victory honestly.
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If I was like Bunny and I was like given the choice.
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I'd be like yeah let's do it. Yeah.
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Some consent forms perhaps you know I get it.
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Yeah. Hi cuz just like look at this,
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look at this, it's beautiful and she talked to Vogue about it are
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as I said at first, I worked in a primary palette that was very
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bright and exciting. And it was very reflective of
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Victory and that Palm Springs world that you think you see
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that's Victory. I think that was my favorite
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part or the costumes actually was the color palettes.
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It was so bright and vibrant, very Palm Springs.
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I mean I had to look up to make sure was in Palm Springs but
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it's just if anyone's ever been to Palm Springs this is just the
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ideal life. It's perfect very colorful
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vibrant. I loved it.
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That was my favorite part. It was so beautiful and it's
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just like, you know, it Like ladies in beautiful clothes
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sitting around buying more beautiful clothes like just that
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1950s 60s like idealized World, which seems wonderful till you
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realize they're all trapped there.
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Right. They're trapped in a really
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messed-up men's Universe metaverse type of thing.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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But like we're talking about you don't know that at first, hmm.
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Ariane talk to MSN about this. She said well I was very aware
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that the audience is experiencing victory in
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real-time with Alice. We're trying to figure out what
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victories all about as well. I really wanted to design a film
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that was beautiful and seductive and really leaned into the
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mid-century design. So that the audience would be
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all would also be seduced by Victory and it would be
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beautiful. Just like you succeeded?
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Yeah, mission accomplished. Myself seduced a job.
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Well done. Yeah, and she kind of elaborated
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even more to elle.com saying there, this idealized Rat Pack
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culture, there is an elegance and the way, the men dress in
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the 60s were at leaning into that veneer and facade of
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presentation will dress for men and women and the societal
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societal expectations of women at the time, right?
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Like you Lee, And all the way in the best way possible.
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Yeah. And at first, you don't really
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realize that 100% but especially once you finished a movie and
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you look back at like we are like, yeah, that's exactly
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what's happening the entire time.
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I'm getting such a better appreciation for this movie as
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we're talking about this. It's so cool.
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It's my only problem with the movie is like it's not explained
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well enough. Like I don't think they got
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their point across very concisely, you know what I mean?
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But like, Anything or aside from that, everything else is just
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like gorgeous and beautiful and like everything's pointing in
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the right direction. But like I like, I don't feel
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like they quite got their point across for me.
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I think I got the point I think is just a little bit more read
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between the lines, which is why? I think it ends the way it does.
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We're just kind of goes black, like I you get what I understand
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what you're saying, but same time once you like can't sit
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back, you like, okay? This is probably what happened
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but either way, so beautiful. Yes doctor Of is exactly the
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right word. I would use for it.
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And talk about seductive Florence Pew.
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Yeah. Very seductive.
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I think Florence Pugh is just one of the greatest, actresses
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of, like our generation. She is so fantastic.
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She's really like amazing at horror films to mean, Midsummer.
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This it's so spooky. She's really great at it.
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She is She's perfect and like, have you seen Little Women?
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Uh-huh. Yeah, she's great in that to she
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like, I'm like, she plays all these different roles.
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Like, as she, there's nothing she can't do and then she's
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Yelena and black widow and you know, the MCU, she's just
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perfect. She is the moment.
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She is, she is and Heba three states here.
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Talk to Vogue about the makeup for Florence a little bit.
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She said she has pink and Peach. Each colored lipsticks that
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contrasts with the other red lips.
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She starts out with pink speech, shimmery, white and black liner
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and slowly starts to unravel. No makeup with muted and natural
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tones of brown and beige. And I was like, that's really
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true. Like cuz her her wardrobe
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through even like her unraveling is still very like put together,
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right? I think it's hard to be a woman
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in this. Quote unquote, time period and
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not ever. Look not put together.
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Like yeah, well, I think that the way that this environment is
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designed is, you know, there is no such thing as I could not put
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together outfit. You know, they're just being fed
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these incredible High, fashion moments, but doesn't mean she
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has to do her makeup the same everyday, you know?
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Yeah, like hair and make were one of the few things that like,
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kind of show, she's like coming apart, right?
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And I do love like even just like the He's from like that
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first scene where she's in that black and red dress with the
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balancing, the cocktail honor. Hey, so good to like that
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all-black. Look when she sees the plane go
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down, I was fascinated with the fabrics and all of her looks.
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It's just so many great prints. They're very sophisticated
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colorful, lots of like floral prints because she's she's very
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vibrant and sunny Alice is Kind of like the sun in this
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situation because that's how Jack kind of sees her as a son,
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you know, because in the real world, he sees this poor sad,
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skeleton of a girl laying on the bed, gets back in and she is the
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radiance that he's looking for in his life.
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So I love all the prints on her. Yeah.
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And Ariane told L that she made most of Florence's costumes out
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of vintage fabric from the period as well as Harry's suits
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that were or Taylor. Oh, wow.
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So this is mostly vintage and you can't tell which is
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beautiful and it just it lends so much.
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Like Like authenticity and like kind of Vibrance to it.
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I don't think it would have otherwise, but I do love like
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the tailoring for Florence's. Costumes is so impeccable and I
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think it is one of those things that leaves a little more
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modern, right. It's like extremely tailored
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fitted. Like, Completely cinched in
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Waist, you know, pulled up bust. Like everything is like perfect
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perfect. Yeah, because they're in this
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perfect world. So of course, everything's going
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to be perfectly fitted to her as a character because otherwise
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the world wouldn't be considered perfect and eyes of these creepy
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ass men, which is why I love the look.
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She wears when she returns back from her trip to the The
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whatever that was ha ha. I would say I'm comes back and
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she's wearing this super hyper active, like floral print
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perfectly tailored and the print is just so loud and it's just
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like, really thanked everyone. Like she's perfectly fine,
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everything's normal, she loves it here.
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I mean, there's so much character development in all
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four costumes but so subtle. It the way that Ariane does,
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this is so subtle. And it's Act like I'm going to
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give her a high five right now. It's so good.
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And like so one thing I noticed is every time like she's close
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to knowing the truth and close to figuring out.
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She's wearing all white. Mmm.
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Yeah. Like the first time at the
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dinner party. When she's definitely like no,
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no, no, like something's wrong with this place, she's an all
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white. And then again at the end she's
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an all white and I'm like was that intentional because then
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when she sees the plane go down, she's an all-black interesting
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because she's like, I'm like because she's Lately trapped in
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this fantasy and then each time she almost gets out, she's
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wearing white and I'm like I wonder the time she does get
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out. She's covered in her man's
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blood. Yeah.
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So that was another thing. I'm like, why do they die in
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real life? If they die here, I kind of got
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the impression that they, it was kind of like a brain thing or
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something like they have like a little bit of a stroke or
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aneurysm Them are I don't know what it's not a perfectly.
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You know, you just you just gotta walk past them, but enough
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about Alice. I'm ready to talk about the man,
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the myth the legend mr. Harry Styles.
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I mean, he was looking for wine. He was he, I must admit.
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He was he was looking so fine. Like I said before, I'm not Not
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the biggest Harry Styles fan. I like him.
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I think he's a wonderful artist but then this with this movie,
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I'm a much more of a Harry Styles.
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And I was before I loved all those costumes.
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He looked impeccable. I mean, of course, which is the
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point as we've been getting at. But he really did.
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Look great. He looked so good and because I
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think the fact that like, because I was worried about him
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in this movie because I saw him and Dunkirk.
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And like not his best performance but then also his
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first performance so who can blame him and then this, I'm
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like you're looking fine. Your acting is incredible.
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Yeah, I thought he did a great job.
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I saw him gain a little bit of like online hate.
26:06
I'm like, I don't know like that.
26:08
Good job and tire seen when he was in the car and kind of like
26:11
having a full-on meltdown. I was sold.
26:14
I thought, yeah, he was killing it right there.
26:16
So I was like, yes, sir. Yes, sir, you do look like the
26:20
Whiny child man that you are. Yeah that's good way to say it.
26:25
Ariane talked about working with Harry Styles a bit to MSN.
26:29
She said I think Harry was more curious about the process.
26:33
Being new to acting. He's a brilliant performer.
26:37
I think the thing about Harry Styles that's so genius is that
26:41
he does play with clothing in a way that is super bold and
26:45
playful and at times non-binary there's a curiosity There it was
26:51
almost odd to put Harry Style in these 50s clothes because he has
26:56
an incredible personal style to see him in such a character,
27:01
really embracing that rat pack, bro, culture that I don't think
27:06
of him as to his credit. He looked so good in the
27:09
clothes. Yeah, it's true.
27:12
Harry did have to become a little bit of a, bro, which is
27:15
so not Harry. Yeah, I pulled it off.
27:18
I mean, he deserves a little Of credit here.
27:21
Absolutely. And this is kind of like, the
27:23
contrast between them is kind of where you can see, like, because
27:26
she's right, he is much more 50s and I would say, like, Florence
27:31
Pew. She's like a little bit more 60s
27:34
in terms of like the style they're going for.
27:37
So like, I love how she took that like ideal of like the
27:42
50's, 60's All American culture and just like boiled it down to
27:47
like one cohesive. Look right.
27:50
Exactly. So good looks so good.
27:55
So amazing also who looked amazing and played such a good
28:00
bad guy even though I do not think of him as a bad guy.
28:03
Chris Pine. Oh man, this is where we differ.
28:09
I'm not a big Chris Pine person. I don't know.
28:12
He kind of gives me the, as a kid.
28:14
Say that ick? Really.
28:16
Oh my gosh, I love Chris Pine. Maybe it's because He was in The
28:20
Princess Diaries. He's in the second movie, he's
28:23
the, he's the love interest in the second movie.
28:26
And I've also watched a lot of, like, interviewed stuff of him.
28:30
And he just seems like a lovely fun person.
28:33
And I will say he did a really good job in this film.
28:36
I mean, I, he's sold that like, cult leader kind of culture.
28:40
We've been basically guessing it in this movie.
28:43
I thought he nailed it. Yeah, he did.
28:45
He did. And Ariane talked about working
28:49
with him to Emily Then again, she said, oh, it's all Chris
28:53
Pine about his performance. I love his work in this movie.
28:57
Chris personally, likes to be barefoot.
28:59
A lot. The scene when everyone's at his
29:02
house and they're talking about him and Shelly's house, then
29:06
changing the world and it's the exterior scene by the pool.
29:10
Chris wanted to do the scene Barefoot and I'm like 100% Frank
29:15
has this cocky cult leader confidence.
29:19
And he's gorgeous he looks like the perfect man and figurehead
29:25
the kind of man that I think men and women want to be and are in
29:29
love with. He has that in Spades.
29:32
So costumes, really didn't do much.
29:35
I just had to underscore what he was doing already, right?
29:41
Maybe he just played this plays this role so well, but I just he
29:45
plays a cult leader. It's so well and it's like
29:48
leaving. It's a real life for me.
29:49
He was So good at it. Truly truly and it's like when
29:55
you think about it compared to everybody else's costumes.
29:58
Yeah, he doesn't have super elaborate costumes.
30:01
Hmm. They're all very simple.
30:04
Like, I mean, the party scene is only time, like he wears a tie,
30:08
and I can think of the rest of the time.
30:10
It's like, very casual, very plain, like black and white.
30:16
Nothing too crazy. I love to look, he wears by the
30:19
pool. His party that I'm like,
30:21
duotones look with a black and like the I guess kind of like a
30:25
light tan look. Yeah, I mean that is one of my
30:28
favorite costumes, it's very 50s 60s, very sophisticated makes
30:33
them look so muscular and hot and you know, it really does
30:37
everything. I didn't realize he was
30:39
barefoot, but now that I know there's Barefoot, I mean, that
30:42
is a excellent choice, sometimes choice and costuming is no
30:46
costume and that's that everything, that's way more cult
30:49
leader. Then if he is ranked shoes,
30:52
truly truly, what was also fabulous?
30:57
Was Dita Von Teese? Yes, her see.
31:02
I wish that scene was a little. They showed her a little bit
31:06
more, right? I was like the second time
31:08
around watching it. I was like, oh, they only show
31:10
like clips of her performance and it's like, you have Dita Von
31:13
Teese. Like what are you doing, right?
31:15
They cut back and forth. It reminded me in the Fifth
31:17
Element, when the Divas singing and they keep cutting.
31:19
Into the fight scene. I'm like, I want to see Dita Von
31:22
Teese, you know. Yeah.
31:25
The story of how she got in the film was really interesting
31:29
because her and Ariana are longtime friends, and I believe,
31:34
it's not surprising surprising. And she, you know, kind of
31:41
talked to Olivia and was like, oh wouldn't Dita Von Teese.
31:44
Be great in this and will be was like, oh yeah.
31:45
She wasn't was like, okay Ari. I was like, let me let me send
31:48
her a text. Okay.
31:51
Round Center attacks and Dita Von Teese immediately said, yes,
31:54
because hurt or had been cancelled due to covid.
31:58
Oh-so Ariane. And Olivia went over to Von
32:03
Teese his house to just go through her costumes and they
32:07
chose this Source were ASCII Crystal encrusted piece to be
32:12
the centerpiece of this big party scene that could have
32:15
worked out better. It could not have and do you
32:19
Avanti's talked about her involvement to Vogue saying
32:24
Olivia was the one that suggested I be blond and I was
32:28
like, well, I have a great plan and wig right here, it was fine
32:33
because I was like, when I first saw this, I saw her, and I was
32:37
like, oh, she's gorgeous. She looks familiar.
32:39
But like, I don't know, I watched the most recent season
32:43
of marvelous mrs. Basel has a lot of like
32:47
burlesque dancers in it. Uh-huh.
32:49
So I was like, oh man, I'm just thinking of like the latest
32:51
season of that, and then when I was doing research on salt, was
32:54
Dita Von Teese. I was like, oh my gosh, of
32:55
course, that's her. Like, she is so spectacular in
33:00
his film. I mean, I've always wanted to
33:02
see a Dita Von Teese show, cuz this is kind of typical to hurt
33:05
or where she dances in the glass and it's so beautiful.
33:08
I've actually met Dita Von Teese once a my life Ali, and it was
33:12
one of the most intimidating moments ever.
33:14
I like was standing next to her at a party.
33:16
And I said something like, hello.
33:18
And she's very wisely. Amy.
33:20
I mean very Loosely me she like said hello back but she's very
33:24
exactly how you imagined her. She's like very quiet and very
33:29
like she's a real person. She's just like shy and quiet
33:32
and cute but then also at the same time, she has such like a
33:34
strong powerful energy. Yeah, so cool.
33:38
I mean, I want I just watched her walk around the party.
33:40
I was like, Wednesday devotees. This night, couldn't get better.
33:46
The night could get better before.
33:49
If Warren spews character and Ariane talked about the seat a
33:53
little bit more to MSN saying, so worked out having Dida, and
33:59
that was really fun to have her there because I think that
34:03
really added to that sexual tension that was on the page and
34:07
the debauchery and the decadence of that scene for me.
34:12
I think that was really fun and I love doing those costumes.
34:16
I asked Bulgari, who's a really We famous jewelry brand if we
34:22
could use some of their High archival jewelry.
34:25
So that was really fun. So they went on out for this
34:29
scene, right? I'm not a big jewelry person but
34:32
like, I could tell just watching his film.
34:34
That the jewelry was on point at all times it was very very you
34:38
can tell expensive it absolutely was.
34:42
And everybody. Everybody looks expensive.
34:44
Everybody enemy. It's a virtual world so
34:47
everybody can look expensive and Of those expensive things.
34:51
What I found really interesting about this scene.
34:53
Was she supposed to be wearing? This is a dress from her husband
34:57
Jack, which it's very beautiful, like nothing has to stress but
35:02
I'm like, it's not very it doesn't compliment Florence
35:06
puberty. Well, like, it kind of makes her
35:09
Fade Into the background like, because it's like, it's peachy.
35:13
It kind of like, tits. She kind of, like just turns
35:16
into this, like, you know, solid color.
35:19
And I'm like, I Wonder if that's because she feels so detached
35:22
from all these people now. Yeah, I mean, she's not on her a
35:25
game. She's, you know, like we said,
35:27
she has all the amazing clothes, so it's a great look.
35:30
But is it right for the moment? Maybe not because maybe her
35:33
heads just like not in the game. You know, she's just like, okay,
35:35
promise very expensive gown, but she's focused on what the hell's
35:40
going on here. Yeah, she doesn't get it.
35:44
And one of the things that keeps flashing up and it was very
35:48
creepy. Are these dancers and one
35:53
talking about choosing a blond wig Dida said to Vogue, I think
35:57
Olivia wanted to tie in the Busby Berkeley type girls with
36:03
the blond wigs who were in The Weird flashback thing.
36:08
Hmm. Interesting.
36:09
She was right. So Busby Berkeley was a director
36:14
and choreographer known for creating extravagant and iconic
36:18
dance numbers. During the 30s and 40s including
36:22
those in 42nd street and Ziegfeld girl.
36:26
His signature was creating geometric shapes to be filmed
36:30
from above. Wow, that's interesting.
36:33
That's so funny. They said it because it was
36:35
like, recognizable. But for me, I wasn't totally
36:38
understand what the reference was.
36:40
But now they say that makes total sense.
36:42
Yeah. And it's like, because I have
36:45
their pictures down here and it's like, oh yeah, like I
36:48
recognize this is Looks like a generic like you know golden age
36:54
of Hollywood extravagant dance number and that's totally what
36:58
they were going for but they kind of like flipped the color
37:00
palette and you're like okay the shockingly like blond hair but
37:07
like very dark kind of like it reminds me of the Barbie black
37:11
and white chevron bathing suit. Like that's kind of what they
37:15
did but it's like modernized as a two-piece.
37:18
Yeah. Went very like American Horror
37:20
Story in a way. I love it.
37:22
It's so creepy. I was confused.
37:25
What was happening? And I loved it.
37:27
You know, sometimes it's okay to be confused and just a little
37:31
terrified. Yeah, yeah.
37:34
Fantastic. Costumes on those random
37:37
flashback scenes, which yeah, well, I think the I think the
37:41
dancing girls are like the brainwashing bit of it, right?
37:45
Yeah. Which is just even more
37:48
confusing. Yeah.
37:50
Beyond confusing was the jump, the jump scare, I kept getting
37:55
from seeing the very sad Harry Styles care when they showed the
38:00
real life. This is when the film star gain
38:02
scary for me and it's not because Harry Styles look so
38:05
bad. I mean, I guess it is because
38:08
Harry Styles look so bad. I was like, what is happening
38:11
here when he his hairs a mess? Yeah, we're in very dumpy
38:15
clothes, actually, one of his outfits kind of reminds me of an
38:18
outfit I have, which is Is not making me feel too hot right
38:21
now. Yeah, very terrifying.
38:24
Perfect costuming. It was like Ariane create this
38:27
very perfect world and then Olivia Wilde was like, okay now
38:30
I need you to do the opposite of everything.
38:32
Everything you've been doing. Yeah.
38:34
And that's where we got these. Frank looks horrified gasp
38:37
horrifying I was so confused. Okay, so II until these
38:42
flashbacks started I honestly didn't realize it was like
38:45
modern-day, right? Like I thought this was going to
38:48
be some like creepy. Post-world War Two like social
38:52
experiment. Yeah, like I was so confused
38:56
like in the simulation like he does have a British accent but
39:01
it's not like a like I didn't I don't know.
39:04
It's really sound like him least.
39:05
I didn't think it did. And I kept expecting it to be
39:08
like, oh, they met during the war?
39:10
She wasn't a nurse, he was a soldier, they met in England.
39:14
Like, I expected them to have like this, like epic like
39:16
romance story, right? And then, Then they just did it.
39:21
And then this was it. I was like, oh, it was
39:24
unsettling. Medic sad, man.
39:25
Who can't find a job. It was unsettling.
39:29
He's married to Italy art, dating.
39:31
I don't know if they're actually married in real life.
39:33
Yeah, under a surgeon like I'm sure she has more than enough
39:38
money for the two of you in this apartment, right?
39:41
Like I thought was so creepy and so perfect and it was a great
39:45
commentary in a regular world. Like to me, this was that guy
39:48
who's, you know, sitting At home fighting on Twitter all day.
39:52
You know, maybe Alexa doesn't go your way so you feel the need to
39:56
get up and storm like our nation's capital?
39:59
Like suddenly I start getting really freaked out.
40:03
Yeah, I just thought Olivia Wilde deserves some pretty good
40:06
credit for his film because despite all the drama that
40:09
happened before this film, I still feel like she put forward
40:13
a pretty creepy strong story that had a lot of real-world
40:17
commentary, so I'll say I liked it enough that I want to watch
40:21
her first film now book-smart. I like really want to watch that
40:24
now because I'm like oh okay. What else have you done?
40:26
Yeah. Because before this I only knew
40:28
knew her from house like I only knew her house character.
40:31
That's how I knew her. Yeah.
40:33
I don't I don't really know a lot of role.
40:35
She's been tonight. It's so weird.
40:36
It's like I know her but I'm like, I don't really know what
40:39
she's done. So but yeah, I thought she did
40:42
great. We didn't really talk about her
40:44
in his film, too much, but I thought her costumes as bunny
40:47
was always on point. Oh yeah.
40:50
I also noticed like as bunny. She's the most like,
40:53
extravagantly dressed. She, she always has the like,
40:56
the funnest outfits. Like yeah.
40:59
She's like totally into and I'm like, I think that's because she
41:01
knows, it's not real. Yeah.
41:04
So she just she's totally like leaning into issues.
41:07
Like, I'm gonna make sure I have the best costumes.
41:10
Yeah. Like she went into this, with
41:13
her eyes open and so she's building the life.
41:16
She wants. Like she wanted this so she's
41:18
taking full advantage. Vantage of it.
41:20
That's so wild. And it's like, she's like this.
41:23
All reminds me very much of like a video game.
41:26
I mean, I'm a nerd right here. I play Grand Theft Auto.
41:28
It's like that person who's like mastered Grand Theft Auto at.
41:31
She has, like, every single piece of clothing and locked in
41:34
this game, you know, she's just mastered it.
41:37
Meanwhile, she has her husband, Nick Kroll, which now that I
41:41
know the plot to some movie, it's very perfect for someone
41:44
like Nick Kroll where I imagine him being in a real-world,
41:48
probably being all dumpy. It's put into this crazy
41:51
Universe. It's just, I don't know.
41:52
I think it's pretty awesome. Yeah.
41:55
Now I Olivia Wilde think about a TV app that adaptation of this.
42:00
Hmm. Yeah, probably not going to
42:02
happen after the way, people treated this movie but now if
42:05
she were to go for it, I would vote in favor.
42:08
Oh, I would vote in favor to. I was like, I want to know how
42:11
Chris Pine thought about this. Although I want to say, I think
42:14
it was Jim, a chance character. I think she's the one that
42:16
actually came up with it. He just had the Charisma to
42:20
create this weird cult around it.
42:23
I think is all Super Hyper bro situation.
42:26
It's this is just giving me a white man syndrome all over.
42:32
Yeah. And with that, let's take a
42:35
little break and when we come back, we will play our favorite
42:38
game for the first time in this season.
42:55
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Hit it, then. You'll The one costume to rule
44:04
them all. Nice.
44:09
Think I'll go first this time around my one costume to rule
44:13
them all. Actually it was kind of
44:15
challenging because there were so many died.
44:17
Loved, I was really torn between Bunny and her costumes, because
44:20
they're so high fashion. But of course, I went to
44:24
Florence Pew and Alice because her costumes had so much
44:26
meaning. Particularly I love the costume,
44:29
she words when she arrives back from the dungeon because it It's
44:35
so like dramatic, the floral print is wild and to me it's
44:40
just like it's the man of this universe trying to what's the
44:44
word kind of make? Everything seem like,
44:46
everything's just perfect, you know, and she looks happy, she's
44:51
glowing. Her dress is so out there.
44:53
So I just thought there was so much like, story built into this
44:56
one costume. So that was my one costume, rule
44:59
them all. I like it.
45:01
Yeah, it's very, it's floral. It's delicate it Those off all
45:06
her curves. Like, it is very much like you
45:08
said, like the fantasy of what Jack wants her to be.
45:13
Hmm. I however, went for her next
45:17
look, which is the little white dress that gets stained with
45:22
Jack's blood. And I will say, my one costume,
45:25
rule them all is after the dress gets stayed with Jack's blood,
45:29
right? Because it's like she knows what
45:33
she has to do now. She knows she's been rude over
45:36
that her entire life has been taken from her.
45:40
And like, she now knows exactly why she felt like she was going
45:45
crazy and it's because her significant other like,
45:50
basically kidnapped her, and it's holding her hostage.
45:54
Yeah. So creepy I just got chills and
45:57
it's the stain on her dress is what starts to alert everybody.
46:01
You know, everyone sees a blood on her like there's no blood and
46:04
this universe like Thank you, and thank start exploding and
46:08
like, all sorts of just everything, just starts falling
46:11
apart. Oh my gosh, the one wife with
46:12
the very like, short hair and forgetting her name, but like
46:15
the look on her face is like she's starting to think of
46:18
something like, realize, something's not right to hate
46:22
her husband. Quote on quote is like freaking
46:25
out. Nick Kroll is like trying to
46:28
hold it together unsuccessfully. Yeah.
46:30
Because he definitely knows what's going on.
46:32
I think it's glitching out and yeah, Yeah, that's actually one
46:36
of my favorite costumes as well. So great choice, Elizabeth,
46:40
thank you, thank you, Spencer. I am just so excited for this
46:47
new season. I feel like we have a great
46:49
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46:52
Right? So, you just somewhere knows,
46:55
Elizabeth and I have or a kind of planned out the entire year.
46:58
We have so many great episodes this season.
47:00
I don't think there's a single episode that I'm not excited for
47:04
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47:35
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48:22
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Okay, Danny, you could probably save this for the bloopers but
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cats Elizabeth's cat just set itself on fire.
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That's pretty wild. What the fuck?
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I'm not a superstitious person. But I am a little stitches.
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What does that say about our recording?
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I don't know. Okay, we have to start back.
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Okay. I'm not a superstitious person.
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But I am a little stitches. What does that say about our
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recording? I don't know.
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Okay, we have to start back. Okay.