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A Coffee with Doug Lang! · Coffee In The Park with Jennifer and Cam

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  Hi, I'm Doug Lang and you are listening to Coffee In The Park with Jennifer and Cam.
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  Jennifer, it's busy in the coffee shop today.
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  It's very busy in the coffee shop.
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  Like, I haven't seen it this full for a very long time.
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  No, it's very loud.
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  Of course, we're not in here every day.
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  Well.
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  Pretty much, though.
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  Yeah, sometimes.
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  Anyway, we say that to say, welcome to Coffee In The Park with Jennifer and Cam, and we are coming to you live from the Wall Coffee Roasters in the heart of Beautiful Downtown Acheson.
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  That's right.
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  So if you hear some noise in the background, people talking, coffee machines whirring, all that kind of stuff, it's because we're live at the coffee shop.
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  We are.
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  Yeah.
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  Cam, have you tried the new spring drinks yet?
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  No, I didn't know they had new spring drinks.
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  The strawberry ones.
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  Oh, the strawberry matcha?
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  Yeah.
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  And the mocha?
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  I don't even know what matcha is.
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  I know.
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  I was going to look that up in Google.
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  I was going to do the Google on matcha.
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  I think it's green.
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  No, but isn't it strawberry?
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  But yeah.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't like matcha.
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  I don't know.
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  I've never had it.
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  So you can't say you don't like it.
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  I know, but I'm like a kid.
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  I don't like it even though I never had it.
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  But nonetheless, I probably like it.
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  And people seem to like it.
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  They do.
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  So come on down to the Wall Coffee Roaster and check it out.
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  Get a new spring drink.
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  Yes.
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  Anyway, awesome.
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  Bring your friends here if you've never brought them here because it's a great place to hang out.
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  But we want to let you know that today, Coffee In The Park with Jennifer and Cam is being brought to you by Wing Snob Canada.
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  Where the wings are fresh, never frozen, with 16 different flavors.
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  Four rubs. Cam, what's your favorite flavor?
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  My favorite flavor is what's that one called?
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  Is it the mango?
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  The mango habanero.
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  I love the mango habanero.
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  That's pretty good.
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  And I love the buffalo.
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  Snobby Q is pretty good, too.
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  Snobby Q is good, but you know what I really love is the Parm Dip.
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  Yeah, that is true.
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  I order extra Parm Dip.
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  Not that I need the extra Parm Dip.
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  I just order the extra Parm Dip, and it's awesome.
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  So hey, if you don't know what to have for dinner tonight, check out Wing Snob.
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  10 locations in the city of Edmonton.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  One in Grande Prairie.
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  One in Calgary.
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  And if you're wondering, what do I make for the family tonight?
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  I don't know.
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  Wing Snob.
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  Exactly.
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  We also want to give a shout out to the preferred printer of Coffee In The Park with Jennifer and Cam, Mprint Sign and Print Solutions here in Acheson.
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  Amazing people.
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  They'll do your business cards.
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  They'll do booklets.
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  They'll do everything.
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  They'll do everything.
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  They did our mugs.
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  They did our mugs.
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  We had a banner we put up this morning.
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  We had a banner.
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  That was great.
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  They did our banner.
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  They did my water bottle.
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  They did everything.
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  They're amazing.
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  They are classy, classy, classy printers.
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  www.Mprint.ca.
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  Right?
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  Yeah, you got it right this time.
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  Did I get it right?
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  Because sometimes I say com.
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  I know.
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  But it's CA.
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  You got it.
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  I know.
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  This is what bothers me about the internet, the com, the CA, the org, the all that.
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  I know.
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  But I'd also like to go back and say www.wingsnob.ca.
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  Yes.
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  Because that's where you can find out where Wing Snob is or order online or order through...
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  I'm not going to say that.
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  Don't say that.
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  I'm not going to say that.
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  I don't want to say that.
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  No.
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  Just go to the restaurant.
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  And go to the restaurant.
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  Anyway, I'm very excited today.
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  Well, I don't want to say that.
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  I know.
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  But I don't want to.
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  Well, don't.
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  Okay, I'm not going to.
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  No, I'm very...
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  I'm so excited today because last week...
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  No, should I say it that way?
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  Because it might not go back to back.
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  I don't know.
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  I just messed that up.
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  You can just say in a recent podcast.
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  In a recent podcast. Do you like that?
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  I like that.
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  In a recent podcast, we had the amazing Georgialee Lang.
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  We did.
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  Yeah.
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  She was amazing.
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  I know.
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  And today, we have the other half, the other side, the part two...
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  No, it's not part two.
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  The other guy, not the other guy.
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  The guy.
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  I gotta stop while I'm...
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  You should be intorducing. You should just stop while you're ahead.
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  Because I'm not doing a good job.
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  But my friend, he's been my friend for a long time.
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  I'm gonna tell a story about him a little later.
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  But my friend, the guy I admire, I do.
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  I look up to him, literally.
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  Because like I said in the last podcast, he's like seven foot fourteen.
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  And I'm like five foot zero.
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  And I gotta like get a chiropractor after.
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  Anyway, he's awesome.
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  He's amazing.
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  Introduce our guest.
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  Our guest today is Doug Lang.
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  Now, Doug was with the Vancouver Police Department.
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  That's right.
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  Doug, what did you retire as?
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  Well, I retired from the vice section where I had...
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  Vice?
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  What is vice?
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  Well, they do a lot of street work, detectives, with young women working the streets.
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  They do a lot of the immigration of the children into our country and where these kids are brought in and are put into prostitution.
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  They do the dirty work that the rest of the organization doesn't want to do.
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  A lot of the sexual assaults of children.
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  And for many years, you were in the Vancouver Downtown Eastside.
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  I was, as a younger guy in uniform.
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  That's right.
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  And we talk about the Downtown Eastside from time to time.
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  And we're going to get into that.
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  We will get into that.
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  But we have to take it back to the beginning.
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  That's right.
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  We're getting way ahead of ourselves on the podcast, which can throw everything off.
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  I know.
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  Because it already threw us off a couple of times today.
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  Anyways, go ahead.
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  OK.
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  This is how we start every podcast.
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  We need to know about Doug.
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  So, Doug, tell us, where were you born and where did you grow up?
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  You know, that's so long ago.
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  I'm not sure I remember.
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  I'm not sure.
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  Let me think.
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  It was on the prairies.
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  It was a medium-sized city in the middle of Manitoba.
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  Manitoba?
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  Winnipeg.
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  Winnipeg.
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  My memory is coming back now.
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  That medium-sized city in Manitoba called Winnipeg.
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  Winnipeg.
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  And it's a bit like here in Edmonton.
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  It is.
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  It is. It's been compared to Edmonton.
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  The weather pattern is very similar.
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  So I felt very comfortable hopping off the plane to freezing cold.
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  I know, because you came from Palm Springs.
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  Yes, and brilliant sunshine.
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  Yeah.
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  You and Georgialee came together.
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  We did.
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  Nice.
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  And you came from Palm Springs.
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  We like to travel together.
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  Travel together.
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  They are married so.
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  They are married.
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  We'll get into that in a minute, because listen, we got the goods in the last podcast.
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  Anyways, what high school did you go to?
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  St.
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  John's-Ravenscourt.
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  St.
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  John's Raven?
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  Yeah.
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  It was a private school, or still is, in the Fort Gary area.
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  And you graduated high school, and then what?
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  I took a year off and had a lot of fun.
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  And then I went into commerce at UBC.
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  Oh, UBC.
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  Okay.
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  Pardon me, at University of Manitoba.
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  Yeah.
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  And I was hopeless, hopeless at mathematics.
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  But you chose commerce.
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  No, my father did.
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  Oh, your father.
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  Oh, okay.
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  My dad wanted me to join him at his firm.
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  He had an international life insurance firm that he founded.
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  And pretty much perfected.
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  Yeah.
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  And he wanted me to get into the business.
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  Right.
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  And I didn't want to.
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  No.
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  That's just not me.
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  I'm not good at sitting at a desk.
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  How did that go with your dad?
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  Not well, but understanding that if I was such a flake at calculus, how the hell was I going to get into the numbers game in his insurnace company?
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  But Doug, did you have siblings that went into the business at all?
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  No.
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  My brother chose to be a lawyer.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  And dad wanted him to join too, but he decided not to.
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  And my sister wanted no part of it at all.
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  And she moved out of Winnipeg when she's only 18 and married a lawyer.
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  So we got five lawyers in our family.
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  This is sort of like a law firm.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not fair.
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  It's not their own family law firm.
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  Right.
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  It's not fair.
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  Five lawyers and one cop.
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  Right.
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  Five lawyers and one cop.
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  I bet that's interesting.
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  Anyway.
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  Okay.
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  So you didn't go into commerce.
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  I did.
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  I spent a year there.
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  But it didn't go well.
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  It was hideous.
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  He's like, I'm out.
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  It wasn't fun.
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  I wanted to go and work.
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  Do something real.
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  So what did you do?
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  I went out to the coast, to Vancouver.
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  And I went there to learn how to fly.
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  And I did.
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  I picked up a pilot's license.
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  And I had a job set up with Pacific Western Airlines at the time, PWA, and a bit like a small version of WestJet when they first started.
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  And I decided that when I was being taught how to fly by my trainer, he just left that airline.
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  And he said, you know, Doug, you love flying and you're good at it.
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  He said, but you like aerobatics.
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  And I said, I love aerobatics.
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  That's not going to work if you're a commercial pilot.
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  The people on the plane.
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  Not so happy.
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  No.
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  Passengers, that's not good.
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  They did not like flying inverted.
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  Those inverted rolls were a killer.
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  Especially during meal time.
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  Yeah.
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  Anyways, yeah.
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  And it's true because, you know, the commercial airliners turn a two-minute turn, so they don't spill a drink and instead of banking, they just slide, they call it slide through the turn.
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  Yeah.
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  So I thought, gee, I listened to him pretty carefully.
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  And I decided that my true love was going to be in policing.
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  And I don't call it law enforcement.
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  Right.
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  Because in Canada, which is very different than the states where it is law enforcement.
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  Yes.
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  You break the law.
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  Yeah.
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  We're going to enforce that.
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  Right.
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  And, you know, we'll shoot you if you run away in the back sort of thing.
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  In Canada, it's called peacekeeping.
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  Right.
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  You're a keeper of the peace.
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  Right.
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  And not that there aren't times where it gets violent and ugly.
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  There are.
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  But for the majority of time, it's keeping the peace.
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  And that's the mentality that I would send out with all my people.
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  So you left piloting.
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  And got into policing.
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  Got into policing.
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  And never looked back.
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  I loved it.
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  Okay.
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  So Doug, how old were you when you started recruit training?
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, gosh.
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  That is a long time ago.
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  That would be 24.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  24.
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  And, you know, at the time, I was told that I was overeducated because I had one year of university.
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  Oh, really?
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  Now, of course, they want a degree.
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  Yeah, you have to have.
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  Pretty much need a criminology degree.
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  Did the fact that you were a pilot help?
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  They didn't care.
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  They didn't care.
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  No.
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  You know, it's funny.
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  Back then, you know, you'd be in the deputy chief's office, and that would be the last review.
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  You'd been written tests, and you'd been interviewed a hundred times, and they did background checks on you like crazy, you know, talking to your neighbors and in-laws.
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  And here you are in the deputy chief's office, and he looks at you.
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  You're standing at attention.
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  It was the old days.
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  Look out the window, son.
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  Look out the window.
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  Tell me, what type of cars do you see?
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  And I'd rattle off, 57 Chevy, Salamander, you know, color, you know, whatever, rattled them all off.
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  And I was a car nutty when I was a kid.
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  So he said, that's good enough.
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  Out you go.
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  And you were hired.
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  And that was it?
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  That was it.
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  And his secretary had said to me before I walked in to his office, his secretary, lovely woman, lovely woman.
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  And she said to me, shoulders back, ramrod straight.
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  That's what he likes.
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  So that's what you did.
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  Those were the old days, the new days, these days.
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  Are you kidding?
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  Not so much.
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  No, not so much.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  So now you're a policeman.
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  I am.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So then was your first role, were you in patrol?
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  How did you know that?
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  It's almost like you've got a police officer in your family or something.
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  Yeah, she knows.
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  Yeah.
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  Anyway.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I went in patrol and that was uniform, you know, division.
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  I then went to our crime prevention unit, detective division.
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  Yeah.
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  And thoroughly loved that.
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  Exciting stories.
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  A lot of a lot of things happened back in those days.
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  Doing that job, it was it was highly specialized.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, had the opportunity for first responders for right for serial shootings.
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  Yeah.
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  On campus, for instance, and first in with a partner and going through room by room looking for the bad guy.
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  And so that was a lot of fun and running informants.
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  And then they moved me and they moved me around quite a bit, actually.
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  I would get a call from some boss.
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  Yeah.
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  Would you like to come in to work at such and such?
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  And that really meant that that's where you're going next.
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  Right, right.
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  In those days.
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  Yeah.
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  There wasn't really the option.
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  They weren't asking.
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  They were telling.
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  They were ask-telling.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Ask-telling.
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  Yeah.
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  We got to be careful.
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  How we say that.
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  Oh that's true.
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  Yeah.
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  But yeah.
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  OK.
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  Yeah.
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  All right.
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  So you moved around.
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  Moved around.
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  I went to the motorcycle division.
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  Rode on the motor core.
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  It was just fun, you know, so that day.
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  Is that where you got your love for your Harleys?
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  In part.
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  In part.
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  Yeah.
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  I always like motorcycling.
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  But I did love them.
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  And that was just a lot of fun.
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  I joined our motorcycle drill corps.
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  So we traveled all over Western Canada, down in the Western Seaboard States, doing motorcycle drills at parades.
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  And because you were in Vancouver, you could probably ride bikes longer. Oh year round.
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  You couldn't really.
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  Not like Edmonton.
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  Not so much.
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  The drill team's pretty quiet in February.
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  Yeah.
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  Not so much.
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  They do that with skates here.
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  I think they call it the Oilers.
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  That's right.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  So now you're a motorcycle cop.
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  And then, what did I do next?
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  Boy, you're asking me questions.
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  It seems so long ago.
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  After that, I decided that I wanted to move into the detective division itself.
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  And I knew to prepare for that, I had to do a couple of things.
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  So I went back to patrol, and was happy with that, knowing where I was going.
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  And in about a year there, I grabbed a job as the spokesperson for the police department up in our media relations office.
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  So I was the first constable to do that.
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  And I was still a constable at the time.
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  And I had a lot of fun doing that.
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  You know, the morning press meetings, the briefers, just a lot of fun.
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  Got to know a lot of people.
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  The city offered me a job of doing their media relations work.
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  And I went in to see my boss and said, I got this job offer.
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  You know, what should I do?
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  And he said, you choose whatever you want.
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  But if you choose to go work for the city, don't think you're coming back where you left off.
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  Yeah, that's right.
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  And I thought, huh, I'm going to stay with this.
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  I like policing.
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  So life was good to me. I stayed.
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  They promoted me out of that section.
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  And I went into the training section.
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  I headed that up for a number of years.
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  They gave me another promotion.
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  And it was kind of step by step.
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  And as they saw things they wanted, and they had vacancies, they just moved you along.
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  And I ended up at the end of my career being asked to join the vice section.
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  And I had been a detective in that unit many, many years earlier.
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  So I knew it like the back of my hand.
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  But it was a very rewarding career.
• 15:33
  There's a lot of, I think, folks think it's all action.
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  And it's not TV, other than Law and Order.
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  Stop with your Law and Order.
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  Because we had Georgialee on it, it was Law and Order.
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  Law and Order, that's what it was.
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  What people see on TV and policing that's not real life.
• 15:53
  That's true.
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  And I do know this, because I should have said this to Georgialee, because she grew up in New Westminster.
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  I spent three years with the New Westminster Police Victim Services.
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  That's right.
• 16:04
  So yeah.
• 16:04
  That's right, you did.
• 16:05
  Remember that?
• 16:05
  I do remember that.
• 16:06
  Because I had to call you a couple of times.
• 16:08
  I do remember that.
• 16:08
  That's right.
• 16:09
  So yeah.
• 16:10
  So yeah, I know it's not like it is on TV.
• 16:12
  No, it's very different.
• 16:13
  No.
• 16:13
  Except we did go to Tim Horton's quite a bit.
• 16:16
  I'm just saying we did, like we did.
• 16:18
  Like I've just, because I pulled the midnight shifts.
• 16:20
  And so yeah, you had to go.
• 16:22
  You got to do what you got to do.
• 16:23
  Okay.
• 16:24
  All right.
• 16:24
  So now you're Vice Squad.
• 16:27
  You've been around for quite a while.
• 16:28
  Yeah, I'm old.
• 16:29
  You worked in the downtown.
• 16:30
  You're not old.
• 16:31
  So was that how you knew him from the downtown Eastside?
• 16:33
  No, I knew him from the church we attended.
• 16:35
  Okay.
• 16:35
  But I knew that he was, I knew he did what he did.
• 16:38
  Yes.
• 16:38
  And we, the church I attended, we did a lot of work in the downtown Eastside.
• 16:42
  We spent a lot of time down there.
• 16:43
  I spent a lot.
• 16:44
  You did a lot.
• 16:45
  In the downtown Eastside.
• 16:47
  So Doug was always a guy I could go to or just talk to or just throw this out at.
• 16:51
  Very supportive, always there and always willing to help.
• 16:53
  Listen, because we have listeners all over the world, I want to have Doug tell us a little bit about when we talk about the downtown Eastside in Vancouver, what does that mean?
• 17:04
  That's the old downtown.
• 17:06
  The old banks, the old stores on Hastings and Main Street.
• 17:10
  And it has been gentrified by the poor folks that are addicted to drugs.
• 17:18
  And it's changed its character considerably.
• 17:22
  It's a relatively dangerous place to be at night down there.
• 17:27
  The daytime, it's not so bad.
• 17:29
  But nighttime, relatively dangerous.
• 17:31
  The officers that are assigned to that are highly specialized in dealing with, just working with folks, I can recall, one afternoon, a young woman who's an addict.
• 17:47
  Hi, hi, hi, Sarge.
• 17:49
  How are you doing?
• 17:50
  And the very next day, she's got two of my officers at knife point, and wanting to stab them, because she's off her meds.
• 17:57
  And we always took the position that, yeah, we have, obviously, deadly force available to us.
• 18:05
  But the position was, hey, let's withdraw.
• 18:08
  Let's contain and withdraw, because she doesn't deserve that.
• 18:12
  So it was action-packed down there.
• 18:16
  A lot of things went on.
• 18:17
  And a lot of stuff went on back in those days that you dealt with without the justice system.
• 18:24
  That you could tell people, I don't want to see you on the beat for a week.
• 18:27
  And they would respect that.
• 18:29
  And folks, I'm telling you, and I watch many first responders in the Downtown Eastside, the police, ambulance, whoever, and these guys are special guys and girls that work down there.
• 18:41
  They really are.
• 18:43
  It takes a special kind of person.
• 18:45
  And like you said, it's a little different policing than usual.
• 18:49
  And it's rough and tough.
• 18:50
  You know, you get shot at.
• 18:52
  You get people trying to stab you.
• 18:55
  It's rough and tough.
• 18:56
  So I always admired them when we were down there.
• 18:58
  We always tried to make friends with them because we knew that they were there all the time.
• 19:03
  We weren't there all the time.
• 19:05
  So, okay, so yeah, you were in Downtown Eastside, saw a lot of things, did a lot of things, probably were a catalyst for some change, I think, in policing and things like that.
• 19:16
  Yeah.
• 19:17
  And I spent some time after that, what I call working indoors in our research department.
• 19:24
  And that would be, as you're saying, being a bit of a visionary and problem-solving on a larger scale than individual situations.
• 19:33
  And that was very rewarding too.
• 19:34
  But my true love was on the street one way or another, with people, working with people, and I don't mean working with police officers, I mean people that live in the city.
• 19:45
  Well, you're such an amazing people person.
• 19:47
  And you're encompassing of all.
• 19:53
  And that's what I love about you, Doug, is you're, you know, you're just anybody.
• 19:58
  Cam, wasn't there a documentary shot?
• 20:01
  The blue, what was it?
• 20:02
  The blue, what was that documentary?
• 20:04
  You were, I think you were, you told me you were the blue.
• 20:12
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:13
  And you had some stuff to do with that.
• 20:15
  Well, you know what happened with that?
• 20:17
  Of course, I had a lot of practice with media.
• 20:19
  Yeah.
• 20:20
  And they knew it.
• 20:21
  But it was interesting.
• 20:22
  That opportunity came up.
• 20:23
  They wanted to do a video, and it was professionally done.
• 20:29
  And nobody wanted to do it.
• 20:31
  They didn't want to be on the downtown in the Eastside.
• 20:34
  Policing in front of everybody.
• 20:36
  Right.
• 20:37
  Of course.
• 20:37
  Because it's rough and tough.
• 20:38
  Sure.
• 20:39
  Yeah.
• 20:39
  Right.
• 20:40
  So the chief asked me if I would do it.
• 20:42
  And I said, sure.
• 20:43
  And it was a fascinating experience.
• 20:46
  It was when the film team was with me, it was so quiet.
• 20:49
  Nothing was going on.
• 20:51
  Nothing was going on.
• 20:52
  It was just so quiet.
• 20:54
  It was all just routine.
• 20:55
  Yeah.
• 20:55
  Yeah.
• 20:55
  And of course, they were there for the, you know, they were there for the, you know, shots fired, a man down, a police officer needs help.
• 21:03
  So it took about four months of filming to get them what they wanted, where they saw the action they wanted.
• 21:09
  It was just almost the way it is.
• 21:12
  Murphy's law.
• 21:12
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  Yeah.
• 21:13
  Wow.
• 21:14
  That's incredible.
• 21:15
  All right.
• 21:15
  So then you now in in in all with all this going on, you're a police officer, you're doing all this.
• 21:22
  You met a young lady.
• 21:23
  I did.
• 21:24
  And I was on duty when I met her.
• 21:27
  And, you know, the benefit of being on duty, young man, is you're wearing a blue uniform that for some reason, my wife to be.
• 21:38
  Yes.
• 21:38
  Liked.
• 21:39
  Yes.
• 21:40
  It worked for me.
• 21:40
  So I've noticed.
• 21:42
  So Georgialee's sitting just over here.
• 21:44
  Yes.
• 21:45
  And I noticed when we started, because we talked about this.
• 21:47
  We did.
• 21:48
  We talked about the story.
• 21:49
  I noticed she looked up when we started talking about it.
• 21:52
  She's on her phone.
• 21:53
  But boy, when we started talking about this, there's a little bit of attention going on here.
• 21:57
  OK, so where did you first meet?
• 22:01
  Restaurant.
• 22:02
  So what was the name?
• 22:04
  Puccini.
• 22:05
  Puccini.
• 22:06
  Yeah.
• 22:07
  Best Italian in town at the time.
• 22:10
  So the boys would go in, you know, maybe seven o'clock at night before we were going off duty.
• 22:14
  Yeah.
• 22:15
  And we'd have a nice pasta dinner.
• 22:18
  Yeah.
• 22:19
  And they had a back dining room, a small dining area.
• 22:22
  And we could let our hair down a little bit there.
• 22:24
  And the owners would come in and we'd chat back and forth.
• 22:27
  And one of the gals was always that served, were servers there, got assigned to do that as their regular tables as well.
• 22:35
  Well, one night it was Georgialee.
• 22:36
  Yeah.
• 22:37
  And this redhead walked into the room, ignoring all of us.
• 22:41
  Like most of them didn't ignore us.
• 22:43
  But Georgialee just took the orders.
• 22:45
  She wanted no part of anything else but to get back out of there.
• 22:49
  And I don't know.
• 22:52
  Okay, on your part, was it love at first sight?
• 22:55
  No.
• 22:57
  It was holy mackerel.
• 23:01
  And you ain't talking about the special in the evening.
• 23:03
  No, I'm not.
• 23:04
  Yeah, okay.
• 23:06
  Yeah.
• 23:07
  So, Georgialee leaves the room.
• 23:10
  And my boss is sitting at the table.
• 23:14
  And he says, boy, that's a good looking gal.
• 23:16
  And I said, no kidding.
• 23:17
  He said, are you interested?
• 23:19
  I said, yeah.
• 23:20
  So, unbeknownst to me, yeah, he says, Georgialee comes back in with some food for us.
• 23:26
  And he says to Georgialee, excuse me, would you be interested in, you know, a date with Doug?
• 23:36
  Georgialee sizes me up, and I guess figured it was relatively safe.
• 23:39
  It was a police officer, sort of thing, and well known.
• 23:42
  And she said, well, okay.
• 23:45
  So we go out on our first date a few nights later in the evening, and we went night skiing on Grousemore Mountain in Vancouver, looking down on the city, all lit up.
• 23:54
  It's gorgeous.
• 23:55
  Yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
• 23:56
  It was the best date of my life.
• 23:59
  That's the best date of my life.
• 24:00
  See, this story rings true.
• 24:02
  That's what she said.
• 24:03
  Did she?
• 24:03
  She said it was the best date of her life.
• 24:06
  That's right.
• 24:07
  No, her life.
• 24:07
  Her life.
• 24:08
  Yeah.
• 24:10
  Not your life.
• 24:12
  She said it was the best date of her life.
• 24:14
  It was.
• 24:14
  Yeah.
• 24:15
  And it was for me too.
• 24:16
  So we hit it off.
• 24:18
  And like all relationships, there's ups and downs.
• 24:20
  Yeah.
• 24:20
  And it took me a long time to pull the pin on marriage.
• 24:24
  Well, I heard that you pulled, you, she, we heard.
• 24:27
  Oh, did you?
• 24:28
  That you took a hiatus.
• 24:30
  Oh, yeah.
• 24:31
  That you took the hiatus.
• 24:33
  I did.
• 24:33
  Yeah.
• 24:34
  And we were going to talk to you about that.
• 24:35
  Like, what were you thinking?
• 24:37
  Like, here you had her.
• 24:38
  How stupid I am?
• 24:39
  Well, thank you for that.
• 24:41
  I appreciate that, Cam.
• 24:42
  Yeah.
• 24:42
  Yeah.
• 24:43
  How stupid are you to walk away from that?
• 24:46
  But we heard during that time, you never really lost touch.
• 24:50
  Nope.
• 24:50
  Never lost touch.
• 24:52
  Were you in the surveillance unit at that time?
• 24:56
  I've been there.
• 25:00
  I'm not right at that time.
• 25:03
  You know how love is.
• 25:04
  Yeah.
• 25:06
  You know, some of these marriages, they meet in school.
• 25:09
  And they're married before their first year of university.
• 25:11
  And some marriages are a guy like myself who promised my mom I would get married before I was 40.
• 25:17
  And I did.
• 25:18
  It was a couple of weeks before I was turning 40.
• 25:21
  So.
• 25:21
  Okay.
• 25:22
  You pulled her over.
• 25:24
  Oh, yeah.
• 25:25
  I mean, it's just...
• 25:27
  We heard you pulled her over.
• 25:29
  Oh, she's making things up.
• 25:31
  I wouldn't pull her over.
• 25:33
  No way.
• 25:34
  I had to ask her when you pulled her over, did you use lights and siren?
• 25:39
  Well, if you're going to pull someone over, you want to do it properly.
• 25:44
  This is great, I love this.
• 25:45
  You want to do it professionally.
• 25:47
  Yeah.
• 25:47
  You know, so that's very professional to pull over your future wife.
• 25:53
  That's right.
• 25:53
  Future wife.
• 25:54
  Yeah.
• 25:54
  So you pulled her over and you made amends. Rekindled.
• 25:57
  You said, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have never done that.
• 26:01
  Yeah.
• 26:02
  I behaved myself.
• 26:02
  I sent her a couple of dozen red roses and away we went.
• 26:05
  That's what she said.
• 26:07
  And at the time when we got married, it was interesting because I honestly thought I was marrying a server in a restaurant.
• 26:20
  Yes, because that's what she was doing.
• 26:22
  I had no idea of Georgialee's capacity to learn and the discipline that she lived her life by.
• 26:31
  And I was very happy with that because I loved her.
• 26:36
  But she changed along the way.
• 26:41
  She changed her path.
• 26:43
  And I found myself realizing that I married up significantly.
• 26:48
  And not because of her being a lawyer.
• 26:52
  I dated lawyers.
• 26:54
  But because of the value that she brings to every table, no matter what it is, people respect her.
• 27:03
  And she's fought hard for that, I think, over the years.
• 27:07
  You know, she's had her challenges, as I have too.
• 27:11
  They're just different.
• 27:12
  They just look different.
• 27:13
  They're all the same.
• 27:14
  Anyway, now, of course, I recognize that.
• 27:18
  I've become her driver for this trip, for instance.
• 27:21
  Yes.
• 27:22
  I was at a dinner last night with you and Georgialee, with all these people, and he introduces himself as her driver.
• 27:29
  I thought that was so funny.
• 27:30
  People were kind of snickering, but I was really snickering because I knew how true that was.
• 27:34
  That he does drive her everywhere, takes care of her.
• 27:37
  So I have a question, though.
• 27:38
  What's that?
• 27:39
  And I know that like Georgialee was in family law and did a lot of family law.
• 27:43
  How is the dynamic?
• 27:45
  I mean, here you are doing policing, right?
• 27:48
  And it is very criminal code.
• 27:50
  Here it is.
• 27:51
  And you're living with a lawyer.
• 27:52
  You're married to a lawyer.
• 27:53
  Yeah.
• 27:54
  How is that?
• 27:55
  That's a great question.
• 27:57
  It really is.
• 27:58
  I didn't think you'd ask it.
• 28:00
  Early on in our married life, we talked about Georgialee's professional career and the path that she was choosing.
• 28:09
  And we agreed that having me arresting people and having Georgialee spring them out of jail, probably wasn't going to make for the best marriage.
• 28:22
  Right.
• 28:24
  Georgialee wanted to be a trial lawyer.
• 28:26
  And she thought criminal law was the best way to do it.
• 28:29
  You'd start off in the prosecutor's office and then move on to your own practice.
• 28:31
  Yeah.
• 28:32
  And she quickly figured that out and thought to herself, and we discussed it, if I became a family law lawyer, I would be in trial all the time.
• 28:45
  And that's what she really wanted.
• 28:46
  And we'd have no conflicts.
• 28:49
  Like I told you, she's brilliant.
• 28:50
  I'm not.
• 28:51
  Yeah.
• 28:52
  So we had that discussion, Jennifer.
• 28:56
  Yeah.
• 28:56
  So it all worked out.
• 28:58
  Right.
• 28:59
  And what I would do, I would come home and whatever, to her duty, I would have a nice fun story for Georgialee.
• 29:06
  Yeah.
• 29:07
  Even if it was basically working in hell for the day.
• 29:10
  Right.
• 29:11
  I would have something funny that happened, because there's always something funny, because people are funny.
• 29:14
  Yeah.
• 29:15
  And I don't think she had a clue, to be honest with you, what I did some nights.
• 29:22
  Sure.
• 29:23
  A lot of nights.
• 29:23
  And I suspect there are other wives that married to police officers, and other husbands married to police officers, that are in the same boat.
• 29:30
  Yeah.
• 29:31
  Yeah.
• 29:31
  Because you don't want your spouse worried about you.
• 29:34
  No.
• 29:35
  Yeah.
• 29:35
  Yeah.
• 29:36
  Interesting.
• 29:37
  All right.
• 29:38
  So now you're her driver.
• 29:39
  Yes.
• 29:40
  Yeah.
• 29:41
  And I'm really good at it, because I've been highly trained.
• 29:43
  I know I can.
• 29:46
  I was going to chime in last night and say, not only her driver, her bodyguard, because you take care of her.
• 29:51
  I do.
• 29:52
  Yeah.
• 29:52
  Yeah.
• 29:53
  I do.
• 29:53
  You'd jump in front of a bus?
• 29:57
  A bus.
• 29:59
  Yeah.
• 29:59
  A bus.
• 30:00
  I'll do anything for that girl.
• 30:01
  Yeah.
• 30:01
  Yeah.
• 30:02
  Cool.
• 30:02
  So you're retired.
• 30:03
  You've been retired now.
• 30:04
  You talked about with Georgialee.
• 30:06
  You spend part of your time down South and part of your time back in Canada.
• 30:11
  Back in Canada.
• 30:12
  Six months each way.
• 30:13
  Yeah.
• 30:13
  What keeps you busy these days?
• 30:15
  Oh, gosh, I'm not nearly as busy as Georgialee with her law practice.
• 30:18
  It just is a going concern.
• 30:20
  I used to be much more busy within the practice on the business sort of end of things.
• 30:23
  Hiring, firing, and helping make things work so she could practice law and not worry.
• 30:28
  But those days are long gone now.
• 30:31
  And when I'm in Canada, well, I should say both, sit on a couple of boards involved in community work.
• 30:40
  I have a couple of hobbies that are...
• 30:42
  You love cars.
• 30:43
  I love cars.
• 30:45
  I'm passionate about cars.
• 30:46
  You've had some nice cars.
• 30:48
  I do have some nice cars.
• 30:49
  Okay, you have to tell us what you have now.
• 30:51
  Yeah, I didn't know what you have.
• 30:51
  You have...
• 30:53
  A 442, a 71 convertible 442, an Oldsmobile.
• 30:58
  That is highly coveted.
• 30:59
  It wins awards everywhere I take it.
• 31:03
  It's down south.
• 31:04
  And we've got a couple of Corvettes, which one's fairly old and the other one's actually quite new.
• 31:11
  Do you still have your red Corvette?
• 31:13
  No.
• 31:13
  Got a silver one and a blue one.
• 31:15
  And a blue one.
• 31:16
  Yeah.
• 31:17
  I remember your red one.
• 31:19
  Are they modern Corvettes or are they classics?
• 31:22
  One's a classic.
• 31:23
  One is just a couple of years old.
• 31:24
  One's one of the new C8s, the mid-engine.
• 31:27
  And the Oldsmobile's an old classic that I'm constantly having to fuss with just to keep on the road.
• 31:34
  And Georgialee told us we talked about your bikes.
• 31:36
  The Harley's. Motorcycles.
• 31:38
  Loved motorcycle all my life.
• 31:39
  Ridden them for 50 years.
• 31:40
  And we opened the door to a potential TV show with Georgialee called Lawyers on Harley's.
• 31:46
  Because I think that would be cool.
• 31:48
  That would be just like the best TV show.
• 31:50
  She surprised a lot of people.
• 31:51
  Yeah.
• 31:52
  Pretty diminutive little frame.
• 31:53
  And I even remembered the color of her Harley and her saddlebags on the Harley.
• 31:56
  I remember that.
• 31:57
  Yeah.
• 31:57
  The white Harley.
• 31:58
  Yeah.
• 31:58
  Yeah, that's right.
• 31:59
  Yeah.
• 32:00
  She had a beautiful bike and it was about three or four years ago.
• 32:05
  I came home from about a two week ride.
• 32:07
  Yeah.
• 32:08
  With some friends.
• 32:09
  And I said to Georgian, I said, that's it.
• 32:12
  I'm hanging it up.
• 32:13
  You're done.
• 32:13
  Yeah.
• 32:14
  My, I just, I could feel the skill set.
• 32:18
  Yeah, I could feel it.
• 32:19
  Just slipping a bit.
• 32:20
  Yeah.
• 32:21
  And you can't make mistakes on two wheels.
• 32:22
  Right.
• 32:24
  So now I go for four wheels.
• 32:25
  It's a lot safer.
• 32:27
  Like an old man, you know.
• 32:29
  But they're nice four wheels.
• 32:30
  Yeah, not complaining.
• 32:32
  No, that's cool.
• 32:32
  Not complaining at all.
• 32:34
  Georgialee and I are blessed.
• 32:35
  You know, right from day one, not without challenges, but right from day one, I knew that Georgialee and I were, we were destined for one another.
• 32:48
  And I don't say that in the typical way that people might.
• 32:52
  I woke up one evening, I was sound asleep and we weren't married.
• 32:57
  And I was absolutely anxious.
• 33:00
  And I'm not one to get anxious.
• 33:02
  And can't have anxious cops.
• 33:06
  They make mistakes.
• 33:08
  And I got out of bed, and I was down on my knees, which to be honest with you, I don't do.
• 33:14
  That's very rare.
• 33:15
  Partly because I just don't like being on my knees, it hurts.
• 33:17
  But the real reason was, and I didn't realize, I had a tear in my eye.
• 33:22
  And I was praying.
• 33:24
  And I was praying that Jesus would give me the right woman.
• 33:29
  I wanted to get married.
• 33:31
  And it took a while.
• 33:33
  But I came from a culture too.
• 33:35
  You got to understand that you don't know how many times one of my detectives would walk in my office, shut the door, can I talk boss?
• 33:42
  And have tears in his eyes.
• 33:43
  His family's left him.
• 33:45
  It's a very high divorce rate in big city departments is around 75 percent.
• 33:52
  So you want to be careful with that because I've been configured one woman, one life, and that's it.
• 34:00
  So I think, I think Jesus answered my prayers, to get quite frank with you, because a couple of weeks later, guess who walks back into my life?
• 34:08
  Well, you pulled her over. Georgialee.
• 34:09
  Well, yeah.
• 34:12
  He just said she walked back out, he pulled her over.
• 34:14
  Well, she got out of her car and walked.
• 34:15
  That's what I was going to say.
• 34:16
  Yeah, she walked.
• 34:16
  The guy's been surveilling her for like three years.
• 34:20
  She got out of her car and walked.
• 34:23
  There was a touching moment.
• 34:25
  I just like that.
• 34:25
  I know.
• 34:26
  People are like, what?
• 34:26
  I know.
• 34:27
  What kind of idiot are you, Cam?
• 34:28
  Anyway, no, and you know what?
• 34:31
  I mean, I've known you guys for quite a while and haven't seen you for quite a while, but you always just know Doug and Georgia Lee, like it's Doug and Georgialee, like it's just Doug and Georgialee.
• 34:41
  And it's fantastic.
• 34:42
  It's fantastic to watch.
• 34:43
  It's fantastic to be a part of.
• 34:45
  And you guys are awesome and you're awesome.
• 34:48
  And you have a heart as big as you are.
• 34:51
  I mean, and I mean that in the right way.
• 34:53
  You and you are, but you have a heart as big as that.
• 34:58
  And that's awesome.
• 34:59
  I love that.
• 35:00
  That's what I love about you.
• 35:02
  We have to ask, Doug, do you golf?
• 35:04
  Since you live on the golf course now?
• 35:07
  We live on a golf course in the summers in Canada.
• 35:10
  And oh, I'm a fabulous golfer.
• 35:16
  I sometimes...
• 35:16
  Georgialee just looked up from her phone and smiled right there.
• 35:19
  Yeah, there are some sometimes that I'll sometimes, I don't know, make like 190.
• 35:30
  And it's great.
• 35:31
  And then someone told me, one of my friends told me recently that it's the lower scores that count.
• 35:38
  Yeah, not the higher ones.
• 35:39
  Yeah.
• 35:41
  So I'm completely flummoxed.
• 35:42
  You thought it was a higher score.
• 35:44
  Yeah, I'm flummoxed with that.
• 35:46
  I'm still trying to figure out how to do that.
• 35:48
  So, I don't golf as much.
• 35:51
  Yeah.
• 35:52
  In fact, it's pretty rare.
• 35:55
  But you live on a golf course.
• 35:56
  Yeah.
• 35:57
  It's okay.
• 35:58
  It's got a nice view.
• 35:59
  No, it is.
• 36:00
  And we can heckle people going by.
• 36:02
  Throw things at them from the deck.
• 36:05
  It works really well.
• 36:06
  Wow, that's awesome.
• 36:07
  We have fun.
• 36:08
  We do.
• 36:09
  Man, like I said to Georgialee, we could probably do like part two, three, four and five with you.
• 36:15
  I get it.
• 36:16
  But this is phenomenal.
• 36:17
  And I just want to say it, and I do want to say it because I was so excited that you both were coming to Edmonton.
• 36:26
  I was excited that Georgialee was going to be speaking at the Premier's Prayer Breakfast.
• 36:29
  Yes.
• 36:30
  And I was just excited.
• 36:31
  I actually quite frankly didn't care much about any of that.
• 36:34
  What I cared about was the fact I got to see you.
• 36:37
  And I mean, I cared about it.
• 36:38
  Let's not get carried away.
• 36:40
  But I just, I was so excited that I have been for days that just got to get to see it.
• 36:46
  He has.
• 36:46
  And I've heard so many wonderful stories about both of you for so long.
• 36:50
  So it's just been fabulous to meet you both.
• 36:53
  Bob, I just want to thank you.
• 36:56
  Bob.
• 36:59
  Just kidding.
• 37:01
  We felt the same way.
• 37:02
  When you called, you called me, you know, and I was in the car.
• 37:07
  Yeah.
• 37:07
  And I was driving back from Barrett-Jackson, Phoenix.
• 37:10
  I remember thats what you told me. "I'm coming back from Barrett-Jackson." And we had a wonderful conversation.
• 37:13
  And it was like old days.
• 37:14
  It was.
• 37:15
  Doug and I, and he did it with other people, but I'll be honest, it was special when we did it together.
• 37:22
  We would go, remember, we would go to Nick's on commercial drive.
• 37:26
  Best Italian in town.
• 37:28
  Nick's had been around for like a hundred years.
• 37:30
  Like it was around for a long time.
• 37:32
  And it was this old Italian restaurant, the white and red checkered tablecloths.
• 37:37
  I mean, it was, he never renovated that place since day one. Didn't spend a penny.
• 37:41
  It was the same.
• 37:42
  And the food was the same.
• 37:43
  And I remember you'd phone me and you'd say, Cam man, let's go to Nick's.
• 37:48
  You bet.
• 37:48
  And or I'd phone you because I needed some advice and you were.
• 37:54
  We were there for each other.
• 37:55
  You were always there.
• 37:56
  And we go to Nick's and sometimes it was some pretty thick advice I needed.
• 38:03
  And we won't go into those situations, but they were people related.
• 38:06
  And you were always there.
• 38:07
  And we just have fun at Nick's and away we go.
• 38:10
  And those were good days.
• 38:11
  Life is good.
• 38:12
  Those were great days.
• 38:12
  I could easily relive those.
• 38:14
  Is Nick's still there?
• 38:15
  I heard it closed.
• 38:16
  Nick's is open under different ownership.
• 38:18
  Oh, it's probably not the same. But is it as good?
• 38:20
  Probably not as good.
• 38:21
  Well I won't condemn Nick's.
• 38:22
  Yes, it's it's different.
• 38:23
  It's different.
• 38:24
  Yeah.
• 38:25
  It was a great place.
• 38:26
  Yeah.
• 38:26
  Anyway, so thank you.
• 38:29
  You and Georgialee again.
• 38:31
  Thank you for taking the time to do this.
• 38:33
  We're not quite done.
• 38:34
  No, we have one more question.
• 38:36
  Jennifer has one very important question.
• 38:37
  Doug, what is the best piece of advice you've been given, either personally or professionally, that you carry with you to this day?
• 38:45
  Yeah.
• 38:49
  I was a young constable, and I can't remember what happened, but something ugly happened.
• 38:56
  And my sergeant really got on my case in front of a number of other officers.
• 39:05
  I had done something I guess he didn't like, and I can't remember what it was.
• 39:09
  And I remember after that happened, I felt pretty down.
• 39:13
  I was pretty young.
• 39:14
  And an older officer who was close to retirement came up to me and he put his arm around me and walked me away.
• 39:23
  He said, I got some advice for you, son.
• 39:25
  I'm saying, what's that?
• 39:27
  Don't ever let the bastards get you down.
• 39:30
  And I carried that all my life.
• 39:33
  Don't let people get you down.
• 39:36
  He expressed it a little differently than I would now.
• 39:41
  But that's what he said.
• 39:42
  That's great advice.
• 39:42
  I love that advice because there's always the naysayers or the people who just want to go at you.
• 39:49
  And if you let it, it'll wreck you.
• 39:52
  Swim at your own level.
• 39:55
  Just don't stop swimming.
• 39:56
  Don't stop swimming.
• 39:57
  Exactly.
• 39:58
  That's when you sink.
• 40:00
  This has been an absolute pleasure.
• 40:02
  And like Cam said, we could go on for six more hours.
• 40:05
  So thank you so much for taking the time to do this podcast.
• 40:09
  Thank you.
• 40:09
  Yeah.
• 40:10
  Thank you.
• 40:10
  And Georgialee.
• 40:11
  And thank you for coming to Edmonton.
• 40:13
  And yeah.
• 40:15
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• 40:16
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• 40:27
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• 40:28
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• 40:31
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• 40:35
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• 40:40
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• 40:44
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• 40:45
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• 40:49
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• 40:50
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• 40:51
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• 40:52
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• 40:53
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• 40:55
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• 40:55
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• 40:56
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