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- 0:01Speaker 1: The book isn't even out yet, so people haven't even
- 0:03Speaker 1: seen a winner of the Australian Fiction Prize on the shelves.
- 0:06Speaker 1: What happens next year if we get a thousand, we're
- 0:08Speaker 1: going to have to recruit, you know, half of Sydney
- 0:10Speaker 1: to come in and do the blind reading.
- 0:19Speaker 2: From the Australian.
- 0:20Speaker 3: This is the front.
- 0:21Speaker 2: I'm Claire Harvey and today we're curling up with a
- 0:24Speaker 2: good book. In fact, it's an award winning book, the
- 0:27Speaker 2: inaugural winner of the Australian Fiction Prize for an unpublished manuscript.
- 0:33Speaker 2: This story takes us to a hidden corner of Australia,
- 0:36Speaker 2: Mariah Island, off Tasmania's East coast, where porcelain beaches and
- 0:42Speaker 2: honeycomb cliffs meet the sea. There's a shipwreck, a girl
- 0:46Speaker 2: breaking free from the rules, and a journalist on a
- 0:49Speaker 2: search for the truth. Today, our litery editor Caroline Overington
- 0:54Speaker 2: joins us to step into this magical world and to
- 0:58Speaker 2: find out what does it take to write and knock
- 1:01Speaker 2: your socks off story?
- 1:09Speaker 3: Carolin, what is the Australian Fiction Prize.
- 1:11Speaker 1: It is the newest and the most exciting litterary prize
- 1:15Speaker 1: on the Australian Calendar, the Australian newspaper is the main sponsor,
- 1:20Speaker 1: but also the key thing that makes it so beautiful
- 1:23Speaker 1: is part of the prize is publication by HarperCollins Australia,
- 1:27Speaker 1: the leading Australian publisher.
- 1:30Speaker 2: This prize is for an unpublished manuscript, but you don't
- 1:34Speaker 2: have to be a complete outsider to win. The winner
- 1:36Speaker 2: being announced this weekend is an accomplished science journalist who's
- 1:41Speaker 2: already written four books, but this is the one that
- 1:44Speaker 2: captivated the judges attention. Carolyn, tell me who is it.
- 1:51Speaker 1: It's Catherine Johnson. She comes out of Tasmania. She's fifty
- 1:57Speaker 1: three years old, originally born in Risbone, and she has
- 2:01Speaker 1: written a book that is based on Mariah Island, which
- 2:04Speaker 1: is off the coast of Tasmania, and it's a wild
- 2:07Speaker 1: and extremely special place. The way that she's evoked this island,
- 2:12Speaker 1: the description makes you want to go there immediately. Although
- 2:16Speaker 1: like a lot of Tasmania, it has of course that
- 2:18Speaker 1: very brutal history. It was the first convict settlement actually
- 2:22Speaker 1: even before Port Arthur, so it has layers of history,
- 2:26Speaker 1: layers of natural beauty. And now Catherine has set this
- 2:30Speaker 1: beautiful beautiful book there that the heart of it is
- 2:36Speaker 1: a young woman. She's eighteen years old. Her name is
- 2:38Speaker 1: Minn min Now. Min and her father live on Mariah Island,
- 2:43Speaker 1: and he has been absurdly protective of her, not allowing
- 2:47Speaker 1: her to grow and develop in a way that a
- 2:49Speaker 1: young woman should. And so you've got that sense of
- 2:53Speaker 1: a young girl coming of age in this wild place
- 2:56Speaker 1: as well.
- 3:00Speaker 4: So thrilled. I'm so thrilled.
- 3:03Speaker 2: Here's Catherine speaking to Caroline after she got the good news.
- 3:07Speaker 4: There's publication at the end of it, and there's an
- 3:10Speaker 4: opportunity to hopefully connect with with readers, which is one
- 3:14Speaker 4: of the most wonderful things about writing, connecting with readers
- 3:17Speaker 4: and hearing what people made of it and what it
- 3:21Speaker 4: meant to them.
- 3:22Speaker 1: Tasmania also makes magnificent gin. But how will you be celebrating?
- 3:27Speaker 4: How will I be celebrating. I think I'll gather some
- 3:30Speaker 4: people together. That'll be nice. I'm just so delighted, I'm
- 3:33Speaker 4: so thrilled, and I'm so incredibly grateful because it's the
- 3:36Speaker 4: sort of thing that makes all the difference in a
- 3:39Speaker 4: writing career. So I'm just filled brimming with gratitude.
- 3:45Speaker 2: One of the things great publishing houses like HarperCollins do
- 3:49Speaker 2: in collaboration with an author is to finesse and fill
- 3:52Speaker 2: it book title ideas until they land on one that
- 3:55Speaker 2: cojures up the right feeling and catches the eye amid
- 3:59Speaker 2: all the other books piled up on the bookshop counter.
- 4:03Speaker 2: That means the name might change again, but for now
- 4:07Speaker 2: this manuscript is tentatively titled A Wild Heart. With this prize,
- 4:13Speaker 2: Caroline and all the judges want this book to be
- 4:16Speaker 2: not just a literary achievement, but a wildly popular book
- 4:20Speaker 2: that frankly sells a truckload of copies.
- 4:26Speaker 1: It's so crucial that we not only tell our stories,
- 4:31Speaker 1: but that we also hear our stories, that we read
- 4:34Speaker 1: our own stories. If you look at the top ten
- 4:37Speaker 1: in Australia, it's almost all foreign. It's American basically and English.
- 4:41Speaker 1: But isn't it great to tell our own stories? But
- 4:44Speaker 1: also we want the book to sell. We're not in
- 4:46Speaker 1: the business of doing our little niche prize. We are
- 4:49Speaker 1: in the business of creating a book that many thousands
- 4:53Speaker 1: of Australian people will read.
- 4:57Speaker 3: Why A Wild Heart?
- 5:00Speaker 1: Women are the backbone of the book trade. They buy
- 5:03Speaker 1: something like eighty percent of the books, and that also
- 5:07Speaker 1: includes all of the books that are aimed at men,
- 5:09Speaker 1: because women buy them as gifts for their husbands, partners, brothers,
- 5:12Speaker 1: particularly at Christmas time. Now, one of the things that
- 5:15Speaker 1: women are buying and loving at the moment are stories
- 5:18Speaker 1: about their own agency, about their own development, about the
- 5:21Speaker 1: place they have in the world. Because at the moment
- 5:23Speaker 1: for women in the world, it's such a beautiful time
- 5:26Speaker 1: to be a woman. And so the idea that you
- 5:28Speaker 1: can break out of whatever the constraints you had your childhood,
- 5:31Speaker 1: your background, your education, and just not shoot the lights out.
- 5:35Speaker 1: I think that's the era in which we're living, and
- 5:37Speaker 1: that's why wild Heart really spoke to me. A young
- 5:40Speaker 1: girl who's growing up on a very barren, wild island,
- 5:44Speaker 1: but she has dreams, she has ambitions, she has hope
- 5:47Speaker 1: for the future.
- 5:48Speaker 2: Women are writing books too, and they're also winning literary prizes. Now.
- 5:52Speaker 2: You and I have spoken before about how after many
- 5:55Speaker 2: years in which women didn't win a lot of prizes,
- 5:57Speaker 2: now women are dominating the long listen the short lists
- 6:00Speaker 2: and the winners' lists of the big international literary prizes.
- 6:04Speaker 2: That's also been the case here for the Australian fiction Prize.
- 6:07Speaker 2: You were one of the judges. Why were women's books
- 6:11Speaker 2: dominant this year?
- 6:13Speaker 1: We found the majority of entries were by women, and
- 6:17Speaker 1: our short list was majority female as well, and ultimately
- 6:21Speaker 1: our winner is female. It's a really interesting development and
- 6:24Speaker 1: I actually have an essay that we're about to run
- 6:26Speaker 1: in the Australian by a male author who says that
- 6:30Speaker 1: male authors actually right now feeling a little bit forgotten,
- 6:33Speaker 1: because you're quite right. In the olden days, they won
- 6:36Speaker 1: everything and they were the only ones who were published.
- 6:38Speaker 1: I did have somebody say to me, it only looks
- 6:41Speaker 1: like women are winning everything if you look at the
- 6:43Speaker 1: last five years, if you look at the last one hundred,
- 6:46Speaker 1: then it kind of balances out. And I guess that's
- 6:48Speaker 1: true as well. But the female dominance of the literary
- 6:52Speaker 1: world is definitely a story of the times.
- 6:55Speaker 2: Did you look at gender or was this completely blind?
- 6:58Speaker 1: I read the manuscripts blind and the reason that I
- 7:00Speaker 1: did that was because I felt that there was a
- 7:02Speaker 1: chance that I would know some of the entries, and
- 7:05Speaker 1: I was quite surprised we actually had a First Nations
- 7:08Speaker 1: writer on the shortlist. We had majority female. As you know,
- 7:12Speaker 1: we had a one male writer out of the seven
- 7:15Speaker 1: that we shortlisted out of West Australia who wrote a western.
- 7:18Speaker 1: He wrote a Western set in West Australia, which I
- 7:21Speaker 1: really love with cowboys. His influences were like Bob Dylan
- 7:24Speaker 1: and Cormack McCarthy. But the standard across the board was
- 7:28Speaker 1: incredibly high. This was an enormously successful prize. Part of
- 7:33Speaker 1: the reason was we didn't prevent people from entering who
- 7:37Speaker 1: had already written a book, so we had a lot
- 7:40Speaker 1: of people on the shortlist and who entered who were
- 7:43Speaker 1: established writers. One woman had written twenty books before this,
- 7:46Speaker 1: some of themself published, some of the mainstream published. Catherine Johnson,
- 7:50Speaker 1: our winner, has had four books published previously.
- 7:57Speaker 3: Coming up.
- 7:58Speaker 2: How did Dodgers zift through towering piles of manuscripts to
- 8:02Speaker 2: find the genius? Well, I've got to you Caroline's books
- 8:06Speaker 2: pages in our review section. One of the reasons The
- 8:09Speaker 2: Weekend Australian is a beautiful analog treat.
- 8:12Speaker 3: There are reviews, author.
- 8:14Speaker 2: Interviews and stories that will make you want to add
- 8:16Speaker 2: a stack of books to your Christmas list.
- 8:19Speaker 3: We'll be back after this break. You had five hundred entries.
- 8:37Speaker 2: I know, how on earth do you get.
- 8:39Speaker 3: Through five hundred menu.
- 8:40Speaker 1: So the five hundred entries initially went to HarperCollins, the
- 8:43Speaker 1: publishing house, and they had teams of people working on
- 8:49Speaker 1: what would traditionally be called the flash pile. So all
- 8:51Speaker 1: the entries that came in were all read by someone
- 8:54Speaker 1: and they had like a yes or no, a maybe column.
- 8:58Speaker 1: If you've got a maybe column, somebody else came along
- 9:00Speaker 1: and had to read of it to see whether it
- 9:02Speaker 1: become part of the s pile. We narrowed it down
- 9:04Speaker 1: to seven books on the shortlist and those were given
- 9:09Speaker 1: to a judging panel. I was on the judging panel.
- 9:11Speaker 1: We also had a literary agent, which is really important
- 9:14Speaker 1: because literary agents play such an important part in ushering
- 9:18Speaker 1: new books into existence. We had a bookseller, which I
- 9:21Speaker 1: thought was really important because she knows better than anyone
- 9:25Speaker 1: what kinds of things Australians want to read. And then
- 9:27Speaker 1: we had experts from the publishing industry from HarperCollins. We
- 9:31Speaker 1: all met in a giant room at HarperCollins in Sydney headquarters.
- 9:36Speaker 1: We sat there for many hours and we really prosecuted
- 9:41Speaker 1: the case for all the different books on the shortlist,
- 9:45Speaker 1: and because they were all by that stage brilliant because
- 9:47Speaker 1: they'd been culled from a pile of five hundred. It
- 9:51Speaker 1: was really difficult to decide. There were people who were
- 9:54Speaker 1: passionately about this book and others who were passionately about
- 9:56Speaker 1: that book, and so coming to an agreement about the
- 10:00Speaker 1: is a real process.
- 10:02Speaker 2: The way we respond to books is so personal and
- 10:05Speaker 2: often so emotional. It's about what we bring to that
- 10:08Speaker 2: experience of reading. How do you navigate that? When you're
- 10:12Speaker 2: a judge in a prize like this, where you're trying
- 10:14Speaker 2: to be impartial and also trying to think about how
- 10:17Speaker 2: other readers might enjoy something, do you you have to
- 10:20Speaker 2: try and park your own personal emotional reaction to it.
- 10:23Speaker 1: It's such a heavy responsibility and you will always have
- 10:27Speaker 1: people who disagree with you. So, for example, when they
- 10:29Speaker 1: announced the winner of the book a prize, you always
- 10:31Speaker 1: hear people say, oh my god, I hated that book
- 10:33Speaker 1: or I couldn't finish that book, But why did that
- 10:35Speaker 1: book win? You have to be prepared to back your
- 10:38Speaker 1: winner absolutely, and there's no question that everybody that was
- 10:42Speaker 1: involved in the judging process loved this book.
- 10:46Speaker 2: So tell me about what it was about Catherine's book
- 10:48Speaker 2: that made her the winner. Bearing in mind that I
- 10:50Speaker 2: think a lot of our listeners probably think that they
- 10:52Speaker 2: have an award winning novel in them.
- 10:54Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Catherine had the edge because she is
- 10:57Speaker 1: an absolutely beautiful writer. The setting on Mariah Island was gorgeous.
- 11:02Speaker 1: It had a beautiful Australian sensive place, and you're really
- 11:05Speaker 1: rooting for men the whole time, you know, for her
- 11:07Speaker 1: to be able to get the life she wants for herself.
- 11:10Speaker 1: And at the same time there's this secondary story, which
- 11:13Speaker 1: is a mystery which everybody likes to solve. It was accomplished, beautiful,
- 11:18Speaker 1: complete work.
- 11:22Speaker 2: Here's Catherine.
- 11:25Speaker 4: Mercury passage was dark and torn, Bloodstone Beach almost gone
- 11:29Speaker 4: under the hurl of foam. All along the shoreline. The
- 11:33Speaker 4: pre dawn light had revealed bull kelp piled snakelike into nests.
- 11:38Speaker 4: A weedy sea dragon hung from Min's hand, shaggy with
- 11:41Speaker 4: leaf like appendages, and still colorful. It had been an
- 11:44Speaker 4: unexpected find, a thing of such rare beauty, coughta by
- 11:48Speaker 4: the sea. At first, she thought the stricken boat was
- 11:52Speaker 4: another wave slanting off the small granite outcrop in the
- 11:55Speaker 4: middle of the channel between Mariah Island and Mainland. Tasmania,
- 11:58Speaker 4: but the angles were and it remained after the waves
- 12:02Speaker 4: sank away. Without the sun, the palette was all blues
- 12:06Speaker 4: and grays, a wash of mauve. She zipped her nylon
- 12:10Speaker 4: jacket to her chin and wrapped her arms around herself,
- 12:13Speaker 4: waiting for the white caps to pass and the wind
- 12:15Speaker 4: squalls to catch their breath. Then a flare, the unmistakable
- 12:19Speaker 4: pink shock of it rising against the storm clouds, saltair
- 12:23Speaker 4: caught in the back of her throat. The flaming light
- 12:26Speaker 4: rounded at the top of its ark and latched briefly
- 12:29Speaker 4: onto the wind before parachuting into the water.
- 12:35Speaker 3: When can we read it?
- 12:36Speaker 1: I'm hoping. I'm hoping you're going to be able to
- 12:39Speaker 1: read it by the middle of twenty twenty five. One
- 12:42Speaker 1: of the problems I think with the previous Vogel Prize
- 12:45Speaker 1: was it was published on the day it was announced,
- 12:46Speaker 1: so there wasn't a lot of time to do the
- 12:48Speaker 1: work necessary to really support the book and get book
- 12:51Speaker 1: clubs talking about it, get booksellers excited by it, get
- 12:54Speaker 1: reviewers ready to review it. With this, we're going to
- 12:56Speaker 1: give it a lot of time because we really want
- 12:59Speaker 1: it to success.
- 13:05Speaker 2: Caroline Overington is The Australian's literary editor. Artists of all
- 13:09Speaker 2: kinds and the gifts they give us. That's the vibe
- 13:12Speaker 2: of review in the Weekend Australian. Check it out anytime
- 13:16Speaker 2: at the Australian dot com dot au