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Survival Story of Lisa McVey - Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In last episode, we began the story of Lisa McVeigh.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa is a survivor who went through absolute hell, and
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  Speaker 1: in part one we discussed everything she went through up
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  Speaker 1: until the point that she got away. And now in
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  Speaker 1: part two we're going to cover everything that happened as
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  Speaker 1: far as investigation and where she's that. Now.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcasts and material intended for a mature audience.
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  Speaker 1: Listener discretion is advised before anything happens. I want to say,
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: make sure you listen to part one before part two.
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  Speaker 1: This is quite the episode. Part one's a little tough
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  Speaker 1: to get through.
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  Speaker 2: But who oh boy, we're all on the edge of
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  Speaker 2: our seats.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, it's worth it in this episode, because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's all I can really say without giving it away.
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  Speaker 1: It's worth it. It's worth the weight, and it's worth actually
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  Speaker 1: listening to this and seeing what happens as a result.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm gonna trust you.
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  Speaker 1: Are you we're both drinking water. We are cheers with
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  Speaker 1: us water cheers. Well, I know me, I drank a
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  Speaker 1: little too much the other night and I'm a little
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  Speaker 1: uh bit on the rehydration schedule. I need some more
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  Speaker 1: water intake right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you did, actually didn't. Ye? You had a good
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  Speaker 2: old time.
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  Speaker 1: A smashing time. It was fantastic, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how many you had. I had
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  Speaker 2: one yesterday or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: All over the course of the day, I had I
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  Speaker 1: think like three beer and two whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but not a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not young in Spry anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Hens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not young in Spry. So it I feel it.
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  Speaker 2: I say that I'm trying. Okay, this sounds way worse
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  Speaker 2: than it is, but like I'm trying to have because
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  Speaker 2: I if I have a drink in a day, like
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  Speaker 2: lots of times, it's just one. Yeah, So I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to have days where like you don't have a drink. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: But that's it sounds. It sounds way worse than it
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  Speaker 2: actually is. Because someone had said that they had gone
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  Speaker 2: to the doctor or whatever and they ask you like
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  Speaker 2: how many how many drinks do you have like a
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  Speaker 2: week or do you drink every day? Yeah, And like
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  Speaker 2: it's a yes or no. Even if you just have
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  Speaker 2: one fucking drink a day, you have to say yes,
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  Speaker 2: but like there's such a difference between one and like ten.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a glass of wine with dinner is not
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  Speaker 1: not generally bad, but when you look at it as
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  Speaker 1: a health perspective, I mean, maybe it doesn't make that
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  Speaker 1: much of a different. I'm sure it makes a difference,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, one a day is like, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you should figure out some other alternatives at times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and I think I already would have been
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  Speaker 2: able to answer note of that question, but just making
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  Speaker 2: sure now.
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  Speaker 1: I would say I probably have a drink a day
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  Speaker 1: five out of seven days a week. Okay, that's probably me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like a Monday to Friday.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not consistent like that, but like, yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: i'd probably be three or four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're less than me times a week. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: we do like having a drink, especially like when we're
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  Speaker 1: making dinner. Yeah, we're making dinner together, poor glass of
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  Speaker 1: wine or something. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Podcasting, Yeah, anyway, now we're regretting our decision of drinking water,
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  Speaker 2: So let's carry on here.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm loving the water today. Okay, it's like Alixuir
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  Speaker 1: of life right now, trust me. Awesome, So are you
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  Speaker 1: ready to continue Part two? For Lisa McVeigh.
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  Speaker 2: I sure, am, yeah, because better be worth it, like
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  Speaker 2: you say.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, redemption is pretty much where we're at
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  Speaker 1: here because oh my god, So I do want to
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  Speaker 1: say I think people like these survivor stories too, because
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  Speaker 1: looking at her analytics, anytime we do a survivor's story,
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  Speaker 1: there is a little uptick and uh, well it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of awesome, it is. It's really nice and refreshing, especially
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  Speaker 1: amongst all these like murders, kidnapped, missing people. It's nice
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  Speaker 1: when you actually get to hear someone who managed to escape.
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  Speaker 2: Because mostly that the ends are just like shit, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like it's just generally shit, but this, I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: whole her whole story has been really shitty. But there's
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  Speaker 2: like that light at the end of the tunnel, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's go over that light at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the tunnel. Shall we do it? Can we?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I was like, we have some patrons to thank too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh right, we have patrons to think.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a wow, way to do your job.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so anxious to tell you about Lisa. I forgot
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  Speaker 1: all about our patrons. I'm sorry, guys, my bad. I
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  Speaker 1: got to pull up the list. Now, where is it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surprised that you know, I'm actually telling you something here.
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  Speaker 1: Look at me, go, you're on the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Good job fire tonight.
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  Speaker 1: So our patrons that signed up this past week, we
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  Speaker 2: At the last photo you post, it was not about chickens.
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  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't, but there's there's still some chicken content
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  Speaker 1: like a little pole and some suggestions and do another
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  Speaker 1: Patreon episode coming up here, maybe sometime like the end
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  Speaker 1: comments and then voting and you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, honestly, it's fun having votes over there,
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  Speaker 2: Like I enjoy that, and it's kind of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times it brings to lights some cases that we
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  Speaker 2: would never even have heard of or run across because hey,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are out there.
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  Speaker 1: You have different pairs of eyes and seeing different.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff than us so well, and they're the real true crampfin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you guys are intense out there. Would you put
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  Speaker 1: us to shame? I swear? Anyways, So you're ready for this,
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  Speaker 1: Let's get on with Lisa's story. Let's do it, okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do a little last last episode where
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  Speaker 1: we left off sort of thing, right.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, because something was just a week ago feels
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  Speaker 2: like literally forever ago to me. Yeah, but I need that.
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  Speaker 1: It makes sense and it just a little recap to
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  Speaker 1: refresh your memory. It is always good. So last we
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  Speaker 1: did leave off, Lisa had endured basically the worst growing
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  Speaker 1: up in foster care, and eventually she was reunited with
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  Speaker 1: her biological mother. I think it was about the age
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  Speaker 1: of seven. However, that didn't go so well for her,
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  Speaker 1: as her mother was a drug addict, and Lisa would
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  Speaker 1: be left to fend for herself at times for not
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  Speaker 1: even days, but weeks and months at a time even
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  Speaker 1: and eventually, even before she was a teenager, she was
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  Speaker 1: homeless living on the streets. So this two would eventually
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  Speaker 1: end at the age of thirteen, when she would move
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  Speaker 1: in with her grandma now here. Her life didn't get
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  Speaker 1: any better as her grandma's boyfriend started sexually assaulting her
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  Speaker 1: her at gunpoint at the age of thirteen. So Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: now being seventeen, was being assaulted by this man each
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  Speaker 1: and every day, and she was planning to commit suicide
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  Speaker 1: as a result of her life so far. But that's
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  Speaker 1: when she was kidnapped and blindfolded by a strange man,
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  Speaker 1: and Lisa realized that she not only wanted to live,
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  Speaker 1: but she wanted to make something with her life. So
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  Speaker 1: during her ordeal, she was sexually assaulted by the stranger
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  Speaker 1: over the course of twenty six hours, during which Lisa
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  Speaker 1: left behind fingerprints, counted steps, peeked underneath the blindfold to
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  Speaker 1: try and get any sort of description of anything she could,
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  Speaker 1: like the green carpet lining the apartment building. She did
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  Speaker 1: anything she could. She even felt for the man's face
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  Speaker 1: while being assaulted to try and be able to describe
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  Speaker 1: him in any way, shape or form and build up
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  Speaker 1: as much evidence as she could during her encounter. The man,
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  Speaker 1: after seeing a TV report and finding out that Lisa
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  Speaker 1: was a miner, decided to let her go, but she
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  Speaker 1: didn't receive a very warm welcome when she was home
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  Speaker 1: as a grandma, and her boyfriend didn't believe her story,
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  Speaker 1: but still did reluctantly take her to police where she
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  Speaker 1: reported the incident. And that brings us right up to
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  Speaker 1: where we left off.
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  Speaker 2: Jeez, what a life, eh that?
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  Speaker 1: That in itself is just.
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  Speaker 2: Like oh no, yeah, like that. Yeah. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: really hoping that it takes a term for the better here,
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  Speaker 2: because that is a hard life.
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  Speaker 1: It takes a turn for the better, I'll tell you that,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not trying to. I don't want to give
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  Speaker 1: way any details.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you know, no, nope, we want to listen and
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  Speaker 2: hear all the all the goodness, all the goodness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. Well, it would be a few days after
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  Speaker 1: living through and surviving the abduction that Lisa was walking
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  Speaker 1: down the street when she walked past a TV and
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  Speaker 1: a window. So the TV in a little shop window
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. She's going by, and a news report
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  Speaker 1: caught her corner of her eye. She's going by, and
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  Speaker 1: it stopped her right in her trying. So the TV
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  Speaker 1: report was reporting on a serial killer that was operating
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  Speaker 1: in the area. The man was confirmed to be responsible
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  Speaker 1: for several killings of women, and the description that they
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  Speaker 1: gave in the broadcast sent shivers down Lisa's spine.
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  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
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  Speaker 1: She knew immediately that the reporter was talking about the
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  Speaker 1: same man that abducted her.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, Okay, I don't know why, but I
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  Speaker 2: kind of didn't expect I actually really don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't think this person had done this to
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  Speaker 2: other people because I guess I was just thinking he
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  Speaker 2: had kind of had like a hate on for women
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  Speaker 2: or I can't even talk tonight, but that it was
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  Speaker 2: just kind of a new thing, and he was.
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  Speaker 1: Exploring that no, for lack of better words, this was ongoing.
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  Speaker 1: He was at this point a.
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  Speaker 2: Serial killer, serial killer. I didn't not expect that, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow. So I don't think Lisa really expected this either.
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  Speaker 1: She was shocked to record when she found this out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She immediately contacted the FBI and reported the connection, and
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  Speaker 1: she would actually recount the whole ordeal that she lived
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  Speaker 1: through to the investigators now, the same investigator that she
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  Speaker 1: spoke to previously when she initially reported it. Investigator Larry
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  Speaker 1: Pinkerton asked if she'd be willing to submit to being
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  Speaker 1: hypnotized for the investigation. So the idea is this is
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  Speaker 1: that their hopes are trying to jog her memory for
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  Speaker 1: any details or some some conscious information or things that
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  Speaker 1: she might have forgotten, any sort of information that might
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  Speaker 1: prove helpful for the investigation, kind of hope to resurface it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the idea and why they wanted to do this.
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  Speaker 1: And Lisa didn't hesitate. She agreed right away.
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  Speaker 2: Good for her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, however, she's a minor.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so she needed to get consent, she.
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  Speaker 1: Needed guardian consent. Grandma's boyfriend didn't want that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, he was at the time posing as her
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  Speaker 1: father and refused to rent any sort of permissure. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you can guess why he was.
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  Speaker 2: What a piece of shit that guy is? Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so why do you think he'd refused because he's a
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  Speaker 2: fucking disgusting piece of shit?
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  Speaker 1: Because he's, yeah, a piece of shit, old man, I
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  Speaker 1: think is how I.
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  Speaker 2: Just sparked the last episode and so so never okay,
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  Speaker 2: when she was kind of going and confessing everything, I
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  Speaker 2: actually did expect that it would come up to about this,
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  Speaker 2: this grandma's boyfriend, but she never divulged that information. Yeah, hey, okay, huh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the investigator, Larry Pinkerton, was a bit taken
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  Speaker 1: aback when he's like when the piece of shit old
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  Speaker 1: man said, yeah, so he's kind of like confused, and
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  Speaker 1: he started talking to.
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  Speaker 2: Lisa about he's going to get it out of her yeaheah.
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  Speaker 1: He's asking about her alleged father, how their relationship was,
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  Speaker 1: and if he was in fact your actual father. And
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  Speaker 1: it was during this conversation that Lisa would, for the
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  Speaker 1: first time to anyone, reveal the horrible truth that this
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  Speaker 1: piece of shit old man and what he had been
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  Speaker 1: doing to her for the past four years.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, oh my gosh. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the man, after the conversation with Lisa, was
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  Speaker 1: quickly questioned and apprehended for what he did to Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: and shortly after arrested being arrested, he passed away while
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  Speaker 1: in custody. Really, I searched high and low on the
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  Speaker 1: internet for how, why, what happened, how he died nothing,
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  Speaker 1: how many days after being held in custody. Couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: an inch. All I could find is that he passed
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  Speaker 1: away shortly after while still in custody, So he never
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  Speaker 1: received a trial he never received punishment for his horrendous
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  Speaker 1: action and what he did to Lisa.
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  Speaker 2: Unless I mean, if someone murdered him, say, then that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like technically receiving punishment. I suppose I'm not
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  Speaker 2: legally punished.
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  Speaker 1: Some could argue that, yes, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's interesting that we don't know. Hey, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't find. The closest I found was a
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  Speaker 1: Reddit thread where people were discussing what happened, and everyone's
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  Speaker 1: like I watched documentaries, like constantly searched hours and hours
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  Speaker 1: and hours in the internet, and I found nothing, And
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  Speaker 1: all anyone could agree on was that he passed away
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  Speaker 1: in custody shortly after.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there might be keeping it a secret for a reason,
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  Speaker 2: that's true, right, Yeah, But at least, like we know
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  Speaker 2: that he's never going to be doing this to anyone else,
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  Speaker 2: which is good, super good, because there I was kind
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: of worried that he might not get much of a
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  Speaker 2: sentence or something, or like be able to weasel his
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  Speaker 2: way out of something.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I personally do think he weaseled his
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  Speaker 1: way out of quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to say he just died of natural causes, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he received no punishment, but.
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  Speaker 2: Say like he went through the try or whatever and
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  Speaker 2: only got like five years like that, and then there's
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  Speaker 2: a potential he could be doing that to someone else.
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  Speaker 1: But at least he could have rotted for five years
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  Speaker 1: and then died of natural causes, you know what I mean. Yeah, Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's no.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to beg just like my
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  Speaker 2: my gut feeling is that it wasn't natural causes.
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  Speaker 1: It's potential. I mean, maybe he even had a heart
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  Speaker 1: attack due to the stress of being investigated.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, right, I don't know who even knows
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  Speaker 2: how old he was. I guess like he could have
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  Speaker 2: been pretty old. Who knows, Yeah, oh gosh.
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  Speaker 1: I believe I believe he was probably around the age
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  Speaker 1: of sixty, if I'm not mistaken, because I think when
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  Speaker 1: Lisa first moved in, he was around fifty six I believe,
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  Speaker 1: so he's probably about sixty when he passed away. And
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't find his name either.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think someone probably took care of him in prison,
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  Speaker 2: that's my guess.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but who knows, who knows? Yeah, So Lisa was
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  Speaker 1: at this point in time removed from her grandma's home
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: and she was placed under care of a home for
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: runaway teams. Now it would only be a few days
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  Speaker 1: later that the FBI would show up here and visit Lisa.
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  Speaker 1: And in their hands they held a stack of six photographs.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, can you just say that one more time
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  Speaker 2: really quick?
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  Speaker 1: Where did they take her to a like a runaway
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  Speaker 1: home facility?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? So I was caught up in the fact that
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: like the grandma should get pun of his shoe in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion, but we'll move on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So they had six photographs in hand when they
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  Speaker 1: visited Lisa, Okay, each of course being a photo of
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  Speaker 1: a man who was a suspect in the serial killer case,
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  Speaker 1: and they also suspected of being, of course, Lisa's kidnapper.
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  Speaker 1: So he sat down with Lisa and showed each photo
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  Speaker 1: to her, even though they didn't need to show her
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  Speaker 1: each each photo. The moment she saw the first picture
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  Speaker 1: on top of that pile, she recognized him right away. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: she never got a full look at his face. I
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: want to say that the entire time she was blindfolded,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: she never got a good look at his face. But
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: because of her actions during the time she was captured,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: she was able to peek under the blindfold, get some
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  Speaker 1: glimpses of pieces of his face, like maybe his chin,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: in her hair or something. Little things right, And combined
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: with the fact that she managed to feel his face
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  Speaker 1: a bit while being assaulted, she knew exactly what to
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  Speaker 1: look for. And I have a quote from her right here, quote,
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  Speaker 1: I had no doubt in my mind the very first
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  Speaker 1: picture I chose was him because he had a palkmarked face,
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  Speaker 1: he had a short, clean mustache, small ears round face.
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  Speaker 1: I knew it was him, and I told them to
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  Speaker 1: stop wasting time and go get them.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, to be that confident and never have
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  Speaker 2: like actually seen a full glimpse of his entire face
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  Speaker 2: is really impressive, right.
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  Speaker 1: To be able to discern that from the middle of
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: an assault. Yeah, And as horrible as I think this
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: is to say she grew up for the last four
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: years being assaulted, I think her being able to be
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: numb in those situations is say, what helped her being
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: able to do that?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, because she was also able to be so
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: observant during really like that time period that she was
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: with this. Yeah, disgusting man. So that is I'm like, Wow,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm be unimpressed.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Flabbergasted is how I would just describe myself, because holy shit.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: So the man that she pointed to the photos laying
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: there on the table, and of course the man she
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: identified was man by the name of Robert Joseph Long,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: or as most of his friends called him, Bobby. Now
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: he's certainly not my friend, so I'm gonna be referring to.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Him as Robert fucking Bobby.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Robert fucking Robert.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: So, Robert was born on October fourteenth, nineteen fifty three,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and Robert was born with an extra X chromosome also
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: known as forty seven xx y. Now, this meant that
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: for a boy such as Robert, he had excessive estrogen
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: production in his system, which gave him some more feminine traits,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: predominantly breast development. So as a result, when he was young,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: he would be teased quite a bit, and in his
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: adolescent years he went and undergone breast reduction surgery. Okay, So,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Robert is reported to also have suffered from multiple head
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: injuries as a child, and mix that in with a
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: relationship with his mother that is described as quote dysfunctional
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: due to sleeping in her bed with her while well
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: into his teens and resenting her for bringing home any
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: men late at night. It left Robert with some very
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: interesting character traits.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, kind of like typical serial killer in the making. Ish.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, sometimes people's upbringing is that.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: That's true, but it seems like I don't know that
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: it's a very unique situation like this. There's, of course
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: parental issues you see with a lot of murderers, a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: lot of serial killers, a lot of people like this,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: But this situation, I don't think he was raised horribly.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was teased. He had this extra estrogen
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in a system which gave him that reason or to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: have a target on him, I guess. But then I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: think he was just like very I mean, like he said,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: like you said, he had issues against women, and I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: think that might tie in with his mom here though
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was raised horribly, But I don't know.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: It could be misreading, like he could have potentially also
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: taken longer than some kids to grow up too, like
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: to be how do you even word that? Do you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Too, he was like acted young
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: for longer than most people will.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: It's possible, I think, yeah, because of actually like sleeping
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: with his Yeah, and the bed sort of thing.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Because he got it. Almost sounds like he needed that comfort. Right.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got mommy issues, is what we're saying. He's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: got mommy issues. Okay, okay. Robert would marry his high
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: school girlfriend though in nineteen seventy four, and together they
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: had two children before she would file for divorce in
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. Oh he has children, yes, and that filed
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: for divorce would be that referenced the relationship that he made.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: When Lisa was questioning, why are.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: The do you know if the kids were girls or boys?
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I did not look up his children.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yet I decided to they need to stay safe.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even if I did find their information, I wanted
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to leave them out of this. It's not their story,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: their battle. I'm sure they want to cut ties with
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: who their father was that brutal.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So at this time now, though, Robert seemed to be
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: on a killing and sexual assault spree. Thankfully, though, due
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to Lisa and her ridiculously incredible whereabouts to take details,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Robert Long was found and arrested outside a movie theater
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: on November sixteenth, nineteen eighty four, only twelve days after
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: he abducted Lisa.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, he picked up the wrong person that night.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Hey, yep. He was charged with sexual battery and kidnapping
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of Lisa McVeigh. However, in the short twelve days since Lisa,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Robert had been found to struck two more times and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: killed two more women.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in those twelve days he kidnapped, wow, sexually assaulted
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and murdered two more times.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Wow. He really was on a rampage there, Hey.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think at this point it was just escalating.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Thank goodness for her because like how
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: she's saving lives. Oh you bet, because he would have like, gosh, yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: how many would he have just kept killing?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Who knows? I assume he would have just kept going
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: until being caught.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't even understand how people have time for
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: this shit, like not to be like, I mean that
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: sounds so weird.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: But like nobody got time for that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Work and shit, Like I just don't understand how people are,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Like where's he getting money and stuff? And how does
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: he have time? I think that's just me. Sorry, I
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: have a lack of time these days, So sorry, I'll
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: pay attention here.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Being a business owner, is much different than working in
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: nine to.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Five too, right, I guess you're.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Working like twelve plus hours a day. You punch in
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the clock eight hours. Maybe he's only working seven or
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: six hours a day. Yeah, and then after that he
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a family he's going home to.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Now it's just him, that's true. I mean, I'm just saying, like,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: not that I'm a fucking monster, but like I wouldn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: have time for this.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: No, Well, maybe he just went to work, went home,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: through in a TV dinner in the microwave, ate it,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: put on his boots, and went out for this disgusting shit.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, So after he was arrested, he signed a formal
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Miranda right waiver, basically saying that, yeah, he is waving
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: away all his miranda rights, like the presence of a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: lawyer for example.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Oh weird.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he consented to questioning with the authorities. So
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it didn't take long before they managed to actually procure
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a confession for his actions against Lisa. So he did confess. Yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But from there the questioning turned to his series. Of course,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the series we already know of unsolved sexual battery and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: homicides in the Tampa Bay area. So the very same
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: ones that were reported on TV, the very same ones
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that Lisa saw, and the very same ones that got
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: her to tie him together in all of this. But
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: when he was asked about these, he simply responded by saying, quote,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I'd rather not answer that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I'd rather not answer that. Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So the detectives in the room, you know, they're pushing
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the content the interrogation, and they left the room. They
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: decided to grab a stack of photos. The photos were
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: various murder victims that he was suspected to be involved with. Now,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: his demeanor quickly changed, and then he stated, the complexion
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: of these things sure have changed since you came back
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: into the room. I think I need an attorney.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Oh geez, had had these people's bodies been found? Yes, okay,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: So like the photos might have been like a of the.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Victim of the deceased victims potentially Okay, Okay. So however
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: he may have been asking for an attorney now he
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: already already signed the waiver, which meant no attorney was provided. Yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and Robert eventually confessed to eight murders in Hillsborough County
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and one murder in Pasco County.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Wow. So nine murders.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Lisa played a key role in having Robert Long caught,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: but fibers found with each victim would be the evidence
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that the investigators would use to tie Robert's car to
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: each victim. Oh okay, So fibers from his car were
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: found on each one of the victims, which was the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: evidence they needed. That was the nail in the coffin.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Lisa was the one who identified him right and the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: evidence was the final seal.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: He really didn't buy the sounds of it too much
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: to cover things up.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: No, So his list of confirmed victims is as follows.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Artists An Wick, twenty years old, was killed on March
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: twenty seventh, nineteen eighty four, when the Long nineteen was
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: killed on May thirteenth, nineteen eighty four. Michelle Denise Simms
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: was twenty two and killed on May twenty seventh, nineteen
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: eighty four. Linda Knuttall was thirty three and she was
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: assaulted on May nineteen eighty four and survived. Elizabeth Laudenbach
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: was twenty two and killed on June eighth, nineteen eighty four.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Vicki Marie Elliott was twenty one and killed on September seventh,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four. Chanelle Duvn Williams was eighteen, killed in
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: October seventh, nineteen eighty four. Karen Beth Disinfriend was twenty eight,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: killed in October fourteenth, nineteen eighty four. Kimberly Kyle Hopps
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was twenty two killed in October thirty first, nineteen eighty four.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Lisa McVeigh was seventeen, assaulted and raped on November third,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, and survived. Virginia Lee Johnson was eighteen
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and killed on November sixth, nineteen eighty four. Kimberly Marie
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Swan was twenty one and killed on November eleventh, nineteen
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: eighty four. In the span of two hundred and twenty
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: nine days, Bobby Long assaulted twelve women and killed ten
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of them, which he would later confess to his roles
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: in all of them.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Wow, and they are all so young. Hey, I have
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: no idea how it doesn't actually really okay, the fact
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: that he was actually like a serial killer. It is
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: almost amazing to me that Lisa did get away in
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the way that she got away. Yeah, because a few
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: on that list were eighteen years old, so I'm surprised
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: he gave a shit.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: The woman who was assaulted and killed three days after
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Lisa was eighteen.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that I don't know, that doesn't that seem
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit bizarre?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It does that she got away. Now, he did specifically
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: tell her though it was due to her father, her
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: alleged father, that she made up the story who was sick. Yes,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that's what Robert told her. So my assumption was it
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: was due to the fact that she's a minor that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: was never reported. That's my discernment.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, but still, I mean, obviously this guy has zero heart,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm also surprised at a story like that, Like,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I'm just surprised that he would have given any shits.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. But but he did for whatever.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Reason, which is amazing, Yeah, for Lisa.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And it was the one person he probably like, the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: one person who's gonna get him caught, Yeah know what
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is awesome, Yeah fuck yeah. Yeah. And he
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: probably was like, oh, like she's too young, like has
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: no idea, like this is not going to get me caught.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Just arrogant, right, Probably it was probably just arrogance. Yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: But I also don't think he was trying really all
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that hard to cover his tracks either, touche. So I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: think he knew he was going to get caught. I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: think it was just a matter of when he confessed
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: right away to Lisa, and then he confessed to the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: other ones too. It's not like like he didn't try
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that hard. He didn't sit here in court say no,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: it was not me.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: It would actually be September twenty third, nineteen eighty five
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that Robert pled guilty to his crimes. He pled guilty
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in court.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, So yeah, I'm just like this story.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I'm might I'm thinking about so many things of this story.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: They're kind of catching me off guard for some reason.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it's understandable. There's a lot to take in with this.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just bizarre. This is I mean, it's brutal,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: but guilty. Okay.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So officially, he pled guilty to his crimes against Lisa,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and to an additional eight counts of first degree murder,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: eight counts of kidnapping, and seven counts of sexual battery.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: He received a life sentence on every account in Hillsbury County. Additionally,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he received two death sentence penalties for the murder of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Michelle Denise Simms and Virginia Johnson.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, in twenty nineteen, Robert Long saw the death penalty.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Okay, I was gonna be like, Okay, so
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: he's still alive, right.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: No, he saw the death penalty.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: But I mean he sat on death row for a
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: long time.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: For a long time.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much like my entire life.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So twenty nineteen, so just like three years ago.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So he was killed via lethal injection. Okay.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: So during the day he was serving out his sentence
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: his final day, Linda Nuttall and Lisa McVeigh, who were
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: his only surviving victims, attended. Lisa sat front row and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: sent her to witness Bobby Long's final moments, and she
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: wore a T shirt that read quote long overdue.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Seriously. Yeah, okay, that alone is badasses, fuck, isn't it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: She wore this fucking shirt long overdue as she watched
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Bobby Long take.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: His last fucking breath long overdue. Wow.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: So she's also like creative, as like that's smart and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: just like to think of that and just be like
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: fuck you one last time kind of thing.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Right, wow. And Lisa is a badass in every single
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: fucking sense of the word, because listen to what she
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: had to say in an interview later, Lisa would say
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: this about that day quote when Robert Joe Long was
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: put to death, It wasn't so much about closure because
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I forgave him a long time ago for what he
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: did to me, and when you forgive someone, you find closure.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: My thing with him is that justice was served on
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the day he was arrested, when he was no longer
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: on the streets and couldn't hurt anyone any longer, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: justice was complete on the day he took his last breath.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: M Wow, what an amazing human.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's sitting here saying it's not about me, it's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: about everyone else he could fucking hurt. Yeah, Like, holy shit.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And the fact that someone could do you so wrong
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and that you forgive them is it's amazing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she like, that's honestly an inspiration in itself, let
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: alone everything else she's done.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that just makes it her sound.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: So powerful too, it does, which she is.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she really is. But it's just it's mind blowing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: That is awesome, long overdue. I want to show that
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: says that that's amazing.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if what she had done here wasn't enough.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Lisa would keep her promise to herself and go on
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to make something of her life. Okay, so she moved
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: in with a loving aunt and uncle who took good
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: care of her. At this time. Oh yes, she began
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: working odds and end's jobs before eventually signing up for
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the police Academy in two thousand and four. She would
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: later graduate, and then she would join the Hillsboro County
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office, the very same department that arrested Robert Long
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: years before. Really, yes, and it was here she began
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: specializing in sex crimes, and to this day she remained
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: serving as the department in the department as the master deputy.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Wow, my jaw is like on the ground.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: What a fucking badass.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: No shit, I am so impressed with this woman, Like
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: holy shit. Yeah, Like I almost like want to be here,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Like she's amazing, she is, Like that is a hero.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't say anything else other than agree with you.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yes she is.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Wow. Huh.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that is the story of Lisa McVeigh. A
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: little bit of a shorter end on this second part,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but oh my god, is it worth it? No, because
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the fucking redemption.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: You really weren't lying. Yeah, like holy, like this was
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: so worth it. I'm just my head just feels like
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: it's like in the clouds.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Right now, Like I feel proud for her. Yeah, I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: feel happy for it. Like I've I've been happy for
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: people in this podcast. I've been just like thuck, yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you do you. I don't know if I've ever felt
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: pride in someone else during talking an episode, which I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: feel this right now.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Well, the fact that she made such a difference at
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: a young age by stopping this guy and now she's
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: just continuing to use her experience and everything for like
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the better good, Like yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Well, can you imagine the fact on say, there's another
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: young girl out there who gets sexually assaulted and she's
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: at the police station. Okay, and generally what is a
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: police force made up of? Typically males? Large percent is males. Yeah,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: so you go to the office, You're being interrogated in
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: a room by males older than you. Authority figures who
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: could overpower you in a whim, just like probably your predator.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And instead Lisa shows up, who says, I was in
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: your shoes, they did that to me. Let me help you.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, you gave me goose bump. Right, holy holy yeah,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: wow wow. I could bawl my face off. Now what
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: are you doing.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling Lisa's fucking story's incredible.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: That's so good. Oh, that's so good. Yeah, are you good?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Your eyes are super water.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: They're so watery. So that really got me off guard.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: That was like a really awesome visual to have. I mean, okay,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: not that anyone is getting like sexually assaulted, but just
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the good that she is going to continue to do
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: in the difference that she can be making in this
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: world and stuff is awesome.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So Lisa McVeigh is our badass of the day both
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: last week and this week. Shout out to her. She's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely incredible and we hope that we we did her story.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Justice, no shit, And I hope that she's still wearing
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: that shirt.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine she at least still has it somewhere.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a that is a powerful shirt.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: But you know what, I also can't blame her if
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: she throws it out though, too, sure Burnett, Yeah, throw
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: it behind you.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: That chapter's is behind you. Yeah. Yeah, wow, okay, well
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: done as always, as always, as always.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I was looking up some other episodes today,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and I found a couple interesting ones specifically actually related
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to Canada, so we might have some Canadian codela.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: The two that I'm working on forever sorry are both Canadian.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Both Canadian too as well. Yeah, we should actually talk
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit about why you're not doing a lot
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: of episodes. We've talked to like some patrons and people
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: who've messages and questioned it. Basically the reason is because
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: now Nicole, through the summer doing photography, is really focused
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: on her business, and me now doing my business full time,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: taking care of the back end of the podcast is
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: kind of part of my business. Yeah, so I am
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: taking on a little bit more while Nicole for the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: summer is stepping back slightly.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: And the intention was that I would still be doing
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: some episodes, but this this is my busiest summer yet,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: like my busiest year yet, and it's been overwhelming, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I will be having I will be doing episodes.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Still, it's just just a matter of having your
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: business calm down because being a photographer, it's wedding season
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and so that's all you're doing is just shooting weddings,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: editing weddings, and the time for research is just not
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: quite there for you.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then we're also we've been adding education
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to my play too that potential. So yeah, there's just
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: growing my business and yeah, but it's good. It's good.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I actually I feel like I might have needed that
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: break in a sense too, because now I like, I
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: almost ok because I used to be a super true
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: crime fan, right, yeah, and I found when I was
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: researching and stuff like, it was all consuming and I
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: never really consume true crime for like fun anymore. But
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: now I have that urge to consume it again, which
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: is nice.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: So you reignited that spark.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: So, Okay, it's a good thing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It's a really good thing. Yeah.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So just basically, if you're wondering why Nicole's not doing episodes,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it's just she's a little busy. So I'm doing a
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: little bit more and she's coming back. Don't worry.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you will always probably be doing a few more
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: than me. But yeah, I will still be doing them
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: in the future for sure.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's it's gonna happen.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Where do we go from here?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I think that that's.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's probably a round. If you guys want
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: to go check out All of our links are down below.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: You want to give us a review that makes a
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: big difference on the show. We really appreciate that you
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: want to go be a patron links down there you
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: can join up. We appreciate you being here. There, you
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: name it. Yeah, you're awesome. You're wicked and.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Not grim, You're just wicked.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully hopefully enjoyed Lisa's story today. Yeah, yeah, it
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: was we needed that really happy to research that one.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, we'll talk to you guys later
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and until
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Then, stay wicked.