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Carlos King on RHOC Lies and the Future of Bravo · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I have the juiciest scoop of all because you guys
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  Speaker 2: September 3rd. And these are juicy episodes. Tomorrow's episode involves
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  Speaker 2: such an incredible interview. One of the craziest stories I've
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  Speaker 2: and multiple partners, serial cheater, and it involves crimes. So
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  Speaker 2: it's everything juicy. And it's my perspective on juicy crimes
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  Speaker 2: and subscribe and never miss an episode, as well as
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  Speaker 2: my show, which is November 14th, is coming to Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: I just spoke to my big Hollywood agent, and the
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  Speaker 2: tickets are selling very, very well, and I do not
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  Speaker 2: November 14th, which is the Friday of BravoCon in Las
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  Speaker 2: Vegas at the MGM Grand with Brandi and Julie and
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  Speaker 2: surprise special guests. So juicy, so great. That is all there.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
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  Speaker 1: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
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  Speaker 1: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
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  Speaker 1: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
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  Speaker 1: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
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  Speaker 3: So easy.
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  Speaker 1: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite return guests. He's one of your favorites, Carlos King,
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  Speaker 2: king of all things reality, housewife, God-loving, fabulous, positive force
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  Speaker 2: in this crazy world, writer, producer, personality, podcaster, host, reunion host.
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  Speaker 2: You have many of your own shows that you produce
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  Speaker 2: in this field. Welcome back. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I love being with you. Whenever I'm on the West Coast,
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  Speaker 4: I text my girl.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 4: Look, just in case you need somebody, I'm in town
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  Speaker 4: because that's our thing.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm always happy to see your beautiful face. You
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  Speaker 3: look good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I've been just trying to drink alcohol but
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  Speaker 2: then have water as well.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people that are like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what? I gave up alcohol. No, it's just a good,
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  Speaker 2: fun summer of, you know, a lot of just hanging
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  Speaker 2: out with the fam and friends and pickleball and doing
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  Speaker 2: all the things.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone loves pickleball, honey.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 3: Is it good?
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now, there was times I was ready to give up.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm so glad I didn't. And the reason it
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  Speaker 2: is popular is that a lot of people at not
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  Speaker 2: very athletic can actually play it and get better. And
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  Speaker 2: I feel like tennis and things like that are real challenging.
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  Speaker 2: But you can actually keep a rally going because you
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  Speaker 2: always have a partner. And if you just stick with
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  Speaker 2: it and learn the rules and don't give up, It
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  Speaker 2: can be something. And you do sweat. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you do get cardio. You do sweat. I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: like losing weight. But you definitely get your heart rate up.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good.
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  Speaker 2: And there you go. But let's talk about some of
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  Speaker 2: the best. I said let's do a show about the
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  Speaker 2: worst of the best moments of housewives in the past year.
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  Speaker 2: And you did all your homework. And I just want
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  Speaker 2: to dive into it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Because obviously it's your strong opinions about things. So I
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  Speaker 2: want to focus on you. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we have the whole Real Housewives of Orange
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  Speaker 2: County of it all.
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  Speaker 3: Love this show.
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  Speaker 2: And Katie, and how do you feel in general about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that in this day and age where so
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  Speaker 2: many people do what we do and to the level
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  Speaker 2: of someone being an anonymous meme account to a big
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  Speaker 2: podcaster and the talent. is reaching out, talking, sharing stuff,
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  Speaker 2: hoping that this stuff gets out. And then how it really,
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  Speaker 2: truly affects the entire season, because it's happening while they're filming.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of all of that?
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  Speaker 4: I don't like it. I don't like it when the
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  Speaker 4: intention is to.
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  Speaker 4: Feed somebody information for the sole purpose of embarrassment, a storyline,
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  Speaker 4: that's when things get a little dark for me and
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely do not like it. Now, if somebody comes
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  Speaker 4: on our podcast and they say something off-color that pisses
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  Speaker 4: someone off, that's different for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with them saying that too. And they're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: when you said that, I watched What Happens Live or
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  Speaker 2: when this happened at BravoCon. Because again, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that should happen. They are asking those questions. Andy's asking
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  Speaker 2: those snarky questions to put you on the spot and
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  Speaker 2: to get the snarky fun. Not, you know, you have
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  Speaker 2: a horrible marriage. You did a nefarious or illegal thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like that is where I'm like, You know, one thing
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  Speaker 2: a season, one Brooks cancer thing, that was the classic juicy.
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  Speaker 2: And it evolved on screen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't involve the backstory of a blogger or a
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  Speaker 2: podcaster or whatever saying, like, I know that he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have cancer. It literally was one of the cast members
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  Speaker 2: doing the investigation and then everyone else, That was classic.
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  Speaker 3: That's the good old days, right?
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  Speaker 4: You didn't have a podcast that you had Meghan King, Edmunds, Biden.
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  Speaker 3: You know, twice removed. So it was something amazing that
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  Speaker 3: you had a cast.
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  Speaker 2: Never forget. Never forget that she was married to our
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  Speaker 2: president's nephew.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And they attended.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: She's iconic.
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  Speaker 3: So we had her. We didn't need Kiki Monique. We
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  Speaker 3: didn't need the bloggers. It takes you away from me, Heather.
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  Speaker 4: It takes me out of the reality because I'm sort
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  Speaker 4: of like, I don't need to know this information and
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  Speaker 4: this detail. And look, when it comes to Katie, I
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  Speaker 4: have to admit, I think she's a liar, liar, Katie
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  Speaker 4: on fire.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And as much as I.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate the great season that OC is, and I'll give
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  Speaker 4: Katie some of that credit, I think Katie fell into
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  Speaker 4: the tropes of let me befriend people. I'm a new housewife.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how this shit works. And she did
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  Speaker 4: in a way, Heather, that doesn't make me support what
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  Speaker 4: she's doing. But again, the fans like her and I
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  Speaker 4: expect that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a fine line between doing too much research and
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  Speaker 2: none at all. You know what I mean? According to
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  Speaker 2: Erika Jayne, who I believe She really, I mean, at
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  Speaker 2: least when she came on my show, she goes, I
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  Speaker 2: did not watch these shows. She goes, I was like
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  Speaker 2: a law and order person, which made sense. Sons of Cop,
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  Speaker 2: husband with Tom Girardi.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And then when the offer came, she was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I was ready to pivot because this thing was not
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  Speaker 2: really taking off. The Erika Jayne singing and paying probably,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we know now, spending $ 30, 000 to perform at
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  Speaker 2: a white party in Palm Springs herself. So it's like
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  Speaker 2: she was ready to pivot. It was like, okay, this
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  Speaker 2: sounds good. And we got a very cool, what is
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  Speaker 2: going on, authentic exchange with her. And then I think
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  Speaker 2: there's the level of, okay, I watched it all. And
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  Speaker 2: then there's the level of, and let me also infiltrate
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  Speaker 2: all these people that could also push narratives out there
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  Speaker 2: and rumors. And then those people are so And I
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  Speaker 2: get it. You know, everyone's trying to make a buck
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  Speaker 2: at it. So I get it. You have this juicy
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  Speaker 2: thing dropped in your lap. You're not going to be like, well, morally,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that this is what Andy Cohen wants.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not going to do that, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: And I think when it comes to Katie... But let
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  Speaker 4: me know what you think.
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  Speaker 3: I can't... I.
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  Speaker 4: I'm struggling trying to find a redeeming quality about her.
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  Speaker 4: I think, in my opinion, based on what I saw,
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  Speaker 4: based on the episodes, I want.
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  Speaker 3: To be very clear.
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  Speaker 4: I believe she's a liar. And I don't believe anything
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  Speaker 4: that comes out of her mouth. And I think she
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  Speaker 4: was very lonely. And she had nobody. And she unfortunately
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  Speaker 4: fell into the traps of believing that these bloggers were
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  Speaker 4: her friends.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. I think you're right. I think she played the
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  Speaker 2: game wrong. And it's unfortunate because, you know, there were
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  Speaker 2: moments where she was kind of funny. And the family
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  Speaker 2: dynamic was interesting. Whatever the true backstory was, I thought
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  Speaker 2: we would find that out. And I thought that would
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  Speaker 2: gain her trust. Some sympathy, because I think there's something
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  Speaker 2: bigger there, you know, when you don't or when you
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  Speaker 2: forego custody of your kids. And I thought I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's something we'd like to know. Again, Erika
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  Speaker 2: Jayne didn't have custody, daily custody, you know, with her son.
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  Speaker 2: And no one brought that up. No one was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why is that? I think she always had a great
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  Speaker 2: relationship with the ex-husband. Yes. And I think with all
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  Speaker 2: the money in the world, it was like, well, you
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  Speaker 2: can fly and see your son anytime you want, Erica,
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  Speaker 2: but you're not going to be going to Little League.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to be at my beck and call. And
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  Speaker 2: those are the things I thought her book would say.
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  Speaker 2: And those are the things I thought when I interviewed her. oh,
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  Speaker 2: this will be really interesting to see this come out
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  Speaker 2: next season. And I hope they don't attack her for
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  Speaker 2: that because there was always so much more to that story.
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  Speaker 2: And if the dad is living across the country without
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  Speaker 2: his kid, no one thinks anything of it. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: always sort of like, wow. And then when they went
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  Speaker 2: after her for that in the reunion, Emily and Heather,
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  Speaker 2: why doesn't she, why didn't she have custody of her kids?
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was like a real moment that I
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  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, let's get into that.
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  Speaker 4: I care more about that because to me it's more
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  Speaker 4: fascinating for, like you said, a mother not to have
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  Speaker 4: full custody. Like I'm more intrigued with the decision making
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  Speaker 4: behind that versus you DMing these bloggers. Trying to get
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  Speaker 4: information out of that and get information out there, I
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  Speaker 4: find it gross if I'm being completely honest about it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like when any.
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  Speaker 4: Reality star does something so gross, and that is befriend
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  Speaker 4: bloggers for the sole purpose of putting information out there
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  Speaker 4: to embarrass a cast member.
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  Speaker 2: And as someone who has made her living on a
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  Speaker 2: show called Juicy Scoop, I don't make up stories or
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  Speaker 2: lie or exaggerate. But I know the feeling of going
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  Speaker 2: to meet somebody and being like, I have a little
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  Speaker 2: gift for you. Like, this is the scoop. Like, oh
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  Speaker 2: my God, you're going to die. Like when something happens
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  Speaker 2: and you have that one friend, you're like, call me
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  Speaker 2: back right now. You're going to die. And I think
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  Speaker 2: she has that. But then I also think she exaggerates.
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  Speaker 2: And I also think she pulled things out of the air. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or it was so like, one thing she read somewhere else,
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  Speaker 2: then she's like, oh no, I talked to the person
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  Speaker 2: who saw it with their own eyes. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? I think it was a lot of that.
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  Speaker 2: And then once there was more than one of those,
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  Speaker 2: there were several. I mean, it makes Monica of Salt
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  Speaker 2: Lake City Looked like she was a nun. Yes. Like,
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  Speaker 2: she was like, at least I was the one doing it.
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  Speaker 2: And cut to it. Yeah, I was the one behind
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  Speaker 2: the Dita Von Teese thing. I was the one not,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, still it was super deceptive and
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  Speaker 2: it was still juicy, but it's like, I feel like
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  Speaker 2: this is not as aha, not as juicy.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: And worse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 5: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 5: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 5: before bed. Or two, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 1: You deserve a treat.
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  Speaker 5: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
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  Speaker 5: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
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  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
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  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
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  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
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  Speaker 4: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
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  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 2: filed against me.
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  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
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  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from where you thought that
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  Speaker 6: you had to.
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  Speaker 3: Succeed in order to feel loved? He said, I have
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  Speaker 3: a work dad. I need a home dad. What happens next?
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  Speaker 3: When I came in, he started crying.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
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  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through.
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  Speaker 3: It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all.
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  Speaker 3: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to pull punches.
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  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
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  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
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  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you also got in, you also said a moment
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  Speaker 2: of the year was the whole Kyle and Dorit thing.
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  Speaker 3: Obsessed.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Tell me why you're obsessed with the relationship arc, the breakup,
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  Speaker 2: the comeback together. Where are we now? What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: It's real. It's real.
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  Speaker 4: You have two friends whose husbands were great friends.
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  Speaker 3: And their friendship came to a demise.
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  Speaker 4: And Dorit, in my opinion, who started off her first
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  Speaker 4: two seasons very strong, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Extremely opinionated, had the best sort of mentor like Lisa
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  Speaker 4: Vanderpump to say, I'm going to teach you how to
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  Speaker 4: do it. And yes, go in there and speak your
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  Speaker 4: mind and re-deliver. She then got attacked by social media
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  Speaker 4: because she came off too strong. And then she became
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  Speaker 4: a recluse and she was so boring. And I never understood.
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  Speaker 2: That's such an interesting observation. And I think maybe I've
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe you've told me that or I've seen
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  Speaker 2: you say it before, but it's something that I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really notice, like the trajectory. And you're right. Like at
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  Speaker 2: first it was like, oh my God, like who is
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  Speaker 2: this girl with this English husband and she has this
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  Speaker 2: English accent, but she's kind of fun, and she's got
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  Speaker 2: the Boy George thing. And then it was all just
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  Speaker 2: glam and photos for three years.
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  Speaker 3: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: And expensive clothes. There was nothing more to it. You're right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, this isn't Fashion Police with Joan Rivers. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't care to see your closet. I don't care
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  Speaker 4: to see the labels. You and I like these shows
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  Speaker 4: for real story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So when we finally got the real conversation between her
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  Speaker 4: and Kyle... about the demise of their friendship, how she
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  Speaker 4: told Kyle, I'm done protecting you. I'm going to state
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  Speaker 4: how I feel.
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  Speaker 3: Dorit is smoking a cigarette.
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  Speaker 4: Dorit is telling us and everybody within earshot, the waiter,
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  Speaker 4: the valet guy, that PK is an alcoholic. It was
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  Speaker 4: sort of like the resurrection of like the old Dorit.
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  Speaker 3: And I loved it.
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  Speaker 2: And also we realized that, you know, that was a
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  Speaker 2: real moment because as someone who lives a similar life
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  Speaker 2: to these women, been married a long time, know women
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  Speaker 2: who get divorced, get back to their husband, keep the secret,
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  Speaker 2: reveal too much to a friend, and then they stay
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  Speaker 2: with the husband so then they dump the friend because
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  Speaker 2: they're honestly embarrassed.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. You know?
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  Speaker 2: And it's a really hard thing to manage. But the
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  Speaker 2: fact that she... was always like, oh, yes, my love,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to have a birthday for PK. And
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  Speaker 2: the whole time, they fucking hated each other.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They were like, their marriage probably sucked the last six years.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Of course it did, because PK did not get a
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: return on his investment.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: He invested in Dorit.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: He's the one who told her when they were on
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: a trip in Paris, I believe, accept the phone call
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: from the casting person.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: You're going to do the interview. We are going to
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: do this show.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: We're going to befriend Lisa Vanderpump and her husband, and
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: we're going to make this work because PK is a businessman.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: And when Dorit, in my opinion, lost the plot.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: And did not really utilize the position that she had
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: the moment she fell out with Lisa Vanderpump. And Lisa
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Vanderpump drove her way with Kyle and Dorit mouths open. PK,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, that was the day he did not
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: like his wife anymore.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Because we all understand business.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was all about the dog.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: But think about it. PK's a businessman. It's all about relationships.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: This woman got us on the show. This woman is
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: one of the richest in Beverly Hills.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Lisa Vanderpump.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Lisa Vanderpump. Yeah, yeah.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: We're going to ruin the relationship with this person over
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: a dog?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: The dog thing is, I've always said, I cannot wait
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: for AI to figure out a way that dogs can
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: tell us what they saw. Because there was the dog
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: who knew what really happened with OJ and Nicole.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: There's been so many dogs that have the scoop that
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: were the only eyewitness. The dog, Lucy Goosey, Apple Juicy.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Supposedly, she got the dog to read. The dog bit
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: someone in their house. She gave it to a friend
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: without telling anyone. Lisa Vanderpump. The dog was whatever to
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that person, we don't know. Mm-hmm. And then the dog
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: went to a shelter that allegedly was... I've heard it
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't a kill shelter. I heard it was a kill shelter.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: They see that it has a chip or whatever and
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: they call Lisa Vanderpump's place and the dog... And then
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it was this whole weird thing where it was, I mean,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I remember Teddy's like, I want to do your show.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I need to tell you about this gate, this puppy gate.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: And as I sat across from her and she explained
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: it to me, I have to say it, I still
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: don't understand. I still don't understand. It was something to
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the effect of... She was basically saying, which a lot
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: of people have accused Lisa of in the past, Lisa
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: wanted her to say something about this on camera and
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: then be like, I don't want to talk about it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: That was sort of it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And it was, in their opinion, to make Dorit look bad.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And so I don't know how Dorit could have handled this,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you know, like, differently, except to just say... Yeah, we
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: gave the dog, which is what it was. We gave
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it to a friend and I'm sorry that the friend
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: didn't check with me when they too had to rehome
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the dog. Like that's all you had. And then Lisa's
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: whole thing was like, But I sell stories to Raider online.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And her whole thing was like, why? I don't want.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And this always made sense to me. Why would I
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: want a story that somehow dogs that are adopted out
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: of my care don't have a great life? So she's like,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't want this story out. Well, how am I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: benefiting from this story? And then the other story was, no,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: you want the story out because you want this to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: be the launching pad. You want this. Lucy Juicy Goosey
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to be the Sheena Shea. You want Lucy Apple Goosey Juicy, whatever,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to be the Sheena Shea for the Vanderpump Dogs, which
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: did one season and died. So it was all of that,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: which then also leads to Housewife Jealousy, where it's so
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: many fights are about, I got the call to go
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: to Mohegan Sun. And they said, who do you want
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to be with you? We thought we would get Susie, whatever.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And then that person says, don't get Susie. Ask Kelly.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: And then Susie finds out that you fucked her out
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of 10 grand at the Mohegan Sun. And they are
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: no longer friends and they're fighting. But we never know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: What is it? And I'm not saying I want to
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: know and I don't want to know, but a lot
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: of it is opportunities that came from Housewives, from the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Jill and the Bethany talk show days to today. Like, well,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: why are you so mad that, you know, Lisa Vanderpump
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: is far away, still the most successful that took this.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: She did.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: But the reason she's so successful is she already had
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: something to market.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yes. She didn't come into the show being broke.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And trying to sell a candle. No.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Three wicks or five?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Or seven. She was not trying to sell candles or,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: you know, perfume or whatever. She already had something and
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: she really utilized it to the umpth degree. She didn't
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: just say, come to my restaurant. She opened other restaurants.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Now she's in Vegas. She's on a whole nother network.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Smart.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: She's, in my opinion, Lisa Vanderpump is the smartest housewife
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: to do it in the sense of leveraging the opportunity.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know too many housewives that has the bragging
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: rights of, of having two successful shows on two different networks.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Bethany had a lot of shows, but they weren't successful.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, she can brag.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: All she wants.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Bethany Frankel is the Donald Trump of the Housewives.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: In the best way.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: In the most tooting your own horn. In the best way.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: In the tooting your own horn way. Let's just be honest.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I'm the best. I'm the greatest. I'm the one that
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: started this. I'm the, I'm the, I'm the. I'm saying
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: whether you're a fan of both of them or none
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: of them, there is a strong similarity as far as
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: bragging about what you've done.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And not to say either one of them don't have
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: rights to brag. You can brag, but you're a bragger.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: You're a bragger. For sure. But you're, you know, so entertaining, right?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, so, right. Well, you're right. Yeah, her shows
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: actually are actually successful.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Multiple seasons.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about, you know, just shoving it
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: in their faces? The shift has changed. Out with the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: old and in with the new. Polish your silverware, darling.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: We're coming back. How do you think, what's your prediction
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: of how the world will get into the new Vanderpump cast?
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I will say this. I will say this. Vanderpump Rules
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: was lightning in a bottle. That cast is similar to
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: the Jersey Shore cast.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, this group of misfits.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: But real relationships.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Real relationships. It was iconic.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I'm curious to see if history can repeat itself. But
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: when you do have something that is lightning in a bottle,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: you sometimes can't strike magic twice. And I think that's
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: going to be everyone's concern about it. Like, are you
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: able to really find a real organic group of friends
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: and have that same level of drama, relationships? They're like
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: fucking each other. They're cheating on each other. Like, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: don't know if that exists anymore.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, well, how do you feel, now I really
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: didn't watch The Next Gen.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Me neither.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: But it seemed to have been pretty well received. Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And there's talk that there'll be the LA version.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I think that's pretty much a done deal. And, you know,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I I think like, hey, you know, it's the family business.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: You know, these kids grew up around it. They they're
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: they're already fucked up by it. So you might as
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: well make money at it. Like it's not like the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: kid that's, you know, in the middle of Minnesota and
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: their whole life is is being filmed on YouTube and
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: they're not getting a dollar and they don't know what
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to say to their parents and they have no advocacy.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Now these kids are grown. What happened happened, and they
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: might as well make something out of it. And to them,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: their whole life has been out there, so it's not like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I have no privacy. They know how to put the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: blinders on. They are on social media. How do you
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: feel about that whole franchise?
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Listen, I think it was smart to do it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: And I think it was smart that, I think Andy
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: said this on his show, that The show got greenlit
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: officially when the Housewives kids joined.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Because again- I'm so shocked that someone even started a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: show and they weren't the anchors.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: But it was very smart to add the mom because
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: it gave the Bravo audience like- Oh, I know these people.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I grew up with them.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: So let me see how they are able to handle
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: being an adult in these situations. Like to see Kim
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Zosig at Candy, Teresa Giudice, Meredith, their children.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: In their 20s, navigate New York City. Like it was
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: smart to do that. So to see it in LA version,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I think would be even more genius. But that's the
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: world we live in. You want to be able to
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: see the spinoffs of people we love.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about, you know, the Kyle and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Morgan of it all? I.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Okay. Kyle is my favorite housewife. You know that. I
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: love her the most.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I love her, too. I feel like she has given
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: us everything. And whether you feel she wasn't honest enough
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: about the Kyle or not, I don't care. I've talked
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: about it at Nauseam. I found it fascinating. I still
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: don't know the truth. Yeah. I still wonder and think
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: it's intriguing and cool.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: And very... very female that like you may not be
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a lesbian forever and you might've just been, or I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: always think that I always think that she probably dabbled
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: in some fun with girls with, with, uh, Mauricio. Oh,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I think she is sexual. And I think that's why
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: she accepted that there was always maybe some stuff going
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: on the side, but he always came home to her
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: and there was nothing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I never thought about that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I know, I think she knew her way
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: around a vagina. Ah, I don't think this was her
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: first time. I don't think you just all of a sudden, like,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: but maybe you can. And I think she did pursue her,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and I do think they had something going on. And
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, Morgan is talented. I follow her,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and I think, like, her dream.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: You do?
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I follow her. It's a lot of workout. She's
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: getting real buff. It's more workout than singing. It's kind
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: of interesting. And they don't really hang out or whatever
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that we see on social media.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: They might.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It might be, we're not going to post. We're not
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: going to go to things.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. I think, look.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Or they're just friends now.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: No, I think they're together.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: You still think they hook up? Oh, for sure.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: Listen, I know tons of women in my life who
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: identified as straight.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And they stumbled upon a woman.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: And then they were like, Carlos, I like her.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Hunting Wives. Hello. Hunting Wives.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: The best script to show on Netflix right now.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll talk about that later. Okay, I'm obsessed with
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: that show.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Look, so I never took your take on it until today,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: so I'm going to rest on that for a second.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: I always believed that Kyle met Morgan and she liked Morgan.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: And there's something about Morgan that she liked. And when
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: she got Morgan on the show, I strongly believe this
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: is I will I will like bet the farm on this.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: I think Kyle was going to come out. But I
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: think Kyle got nervous. I think once it was leaked
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: on July 4th, 2023. I would never get this. day.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Where were you that day?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I was in my backyard. My family came from Michigan.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I had on swimming trunks and my phone was blowing
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: up and they said, get your podcast because People Magazine
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: just revealed that Kyle is with a woman and that
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: her and Mauricio have filed for divorce.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: They have yet to file.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, not file. They were separated.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Thank you for the correction. They were separated.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: So I believe that was them testing the waters. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I believe that they had a change of heart once
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: the feedback was more than they could handle. And once
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Morgan was featured on the show, I do believe that
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Morgan was like, wait a second, this show is bigger
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: than I could ever imagine. And that was just too
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: much limelight for her. I don't think she realized she
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: was dating. And don't read me for this. that she
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: was dating the Britney Spears of Bravo. Kyle is huge.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: You know, like, Kyle is a big, big name.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: And I don't think Morgan realized how big Kyle Richards was.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: And how that would affect her life.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: And that's why the next season Kyle told everybody, like,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I can't bring her name up because Morgan elected not
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: to be mentioned because she couldn't handle.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: The pressures of the pain.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I also think just like Matt Rife, the comedian, said,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't need all these girlfriends. I really like when
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: dudes think I'm funny. I think she was like, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: don't need all these housewives. I'm a true country singer.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Tattooed, gay, like country. This is not really the... I
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: don't really need the Tom Sandoval, you know, and the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: extras audience. Yes. Like, it's cool that I've jumped to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: another level, but I really don't want to, like, be
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: known as that.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: No.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: As their, like, token tattooed lesbian country singer.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: But all these middle-aged women are listening after.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think that's kind of where she was at,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: where she was like, don't talk about me anymore, Kyle.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And Kyle was like, okay. I also think Kyle really
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: loves being a wife and a homemaker.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I really do. I agree. And not only, but with Morgan,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Morgan's on the road all the time. Gay, straight, man, woman.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I think she wants, I think that's why she's also
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: not saying I'm gay, but also not completely dispelling that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: there was a romantic relationship. Because I think she still
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: is like, I can see myself being with a man,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: like Kathy and Rick Hilton, like I was with Mauricio,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: into my 70s and 80s, making dinner. And I remember
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: when she came on the show, she said, my mom
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: always said, make sure that when your husband comes home,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that the place, the house is the best place he
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: was all day. Light the candles. Even if you're got takeout,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: you know, make some garlic and like fake a meal,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: make like, start making some garlic and butter in a
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: pan and just like reheat the, you know, the Italian
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: food you got taken in. Make him feel, and she's like,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: and that's what I do. I love that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: And so- Big happy, that's good advice.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: So I was like, wow, like- You know, and I still,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, and I do think she stayed
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: in this probably longer or whatever because of the audience
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and putting them on a relationship pedestal for so long
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: until it just was, she got sober. She just wasn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: able to play along. But I do think that she
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: wants that life. She wants Kathy, Rick, all the grandkids
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: coming over. Yeah. And knowing where you're at, not going out.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: She's not a going out person anymore.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: She's in a bed by 10.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: So my prediction is she will end up in a relationship,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: long lasting, married or not, but longer lasting with a guy.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: I 100% agree. And that's the reason why I told
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: my audience on my podcast that the reason why Kyle
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: isn't going to publicly say she's gay is is because
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: she really just likes Morgan, and she doesn't.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Want to be known as a woman who dates other women.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: This is my opinion. I do not see Kyle Richards...
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: ever dating another woman outside of Morgan. I don't see that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Me neither.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I do not see it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I don't see it either.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I see at the end of the day, I agree
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: I do see Kyle living happily ever after with a
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: man because I think she's so traditional.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: And I think there's just something about that dynamic that
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: will please her for the rest of her life.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think she had a midlife crisis. And
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I think for women, that can be having... moments, like,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: you know, years of bisexuality and getting back And maybe
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: for guys too. I don't know. I mean, but I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: think it's like a midlife crisis. I think it's like,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: what was, you know, and luckily for her, you know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: she can't get pregnant. She can't get pregnant and then
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: be stuck, you know, sweating at Orlando, Florida at 60
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: years old. Like a lot of men that have, you know,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: midlife crises end up with a young girl and then
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you're like, how am I starting in a whole nother
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: family at like 65? So yeah, I think that's what
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. And what I'll say is this.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I think the reason why you, I, and the general
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: public have struggled with the Kyle storyline is because I
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: think if she would have said everything Heather just said,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of middle-aged women could relate to it. And
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I think that's why we are struggling with, like, just
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: own it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: But it is, you know, it is hard when you have...
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: The kids and all that. And it's just hard. And
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: she has. She's given us so much.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: On her life. So it's like, yes. And, you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: but it is an interesting topic. Okay. You also said
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Giselle at the reunion. Tell me why. Giselle at the
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: reunion of Real Housewives of Potomac. What about it?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I have gotten so much shit.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: When I named the top 10 greatest housewives of all
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: time back in 2022, and Giselle made the top 10 list,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: and I call her Giselle Kobe Bryant.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: And they're like, are you on drugs? Because why are
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: you giving her that much? I've always said, in my opinion,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I think Giselle is the face of Potomac. I think
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Giselle knows how to move story forward. I think she
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: knows how to poke through the holes in the storylines.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: I think she knows how to activate the cast to
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: give us some good moments.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: And this reunion, this past reunion.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: She delivered. She never looked better. She was funny and
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: she was able to call out Stacey, Mia. I mean,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: she's the reason Mia walked off of the show into
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: her SUV and went to Neverland. So I appreciate the
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: gift that is Giselle Bryant. And to me, she had
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: the best moment at this past Potomac reunion.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree. I don't think she has, you know,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I think she's also smart enough to know that anybody
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: she dates, it's not going to be on camera.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: And also she might just be like, I don't really
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: care if I ever dated anyone again. You know what
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I mean? I mean, women of a certain age, everyone thinks, oh,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: don't you want to date? No, it's like pretty slim
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: pickings out there. And she did the Love Hotel. She
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: was just– she played along and she was entertaining as
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: hell in that. But no, and I think that other
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: guy– remember she had that one guy? I think it
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: was such a fake storyline like two seasons ago.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: The like summer house kid or something?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the summer house kid.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: That felt really– and so I think when they've called
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: her out about her fake boyfriends and stuff, I think
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: that's true. But I get it. Like you're on a
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: show and you being a huge reality show producer, recognizing
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: that there's a way to– be an incredible employee without
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: being life changing behind the scenes, nasty, deceptive, trying to
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: ruin your life. Like I, I truly do believe she
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: cares about care. Everybody on that cast, Karen and all
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: those people, maybe Mia, Mia's just kind of, because she
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: came in later and, I don't know that she really connected,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: but like with the OGs, obviously with Robin and everything.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: For sure, Ashley. And I do think she loves Karen.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: And I do think Giselle delivered wonderfully. I agree with you.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: I think you will never see a real relationship on
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: that show with Giselle.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I think she really liked Sherman. Do you remember Sherman?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like the second or third season of the show.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: And he publicly said that, again, talk about Morgan. He
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: said he did not realize how big this housewife shit is.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: And people were like digging dirt on him, like trying
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: to check into his past. And it was too much
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: for him. And he left the relationship.
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: And I think that hurt Giselle. And I think she
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: realized in that moment, I could never bring on someone
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I truly like than love on this show anymore. Because, listen,
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: the fans do too much. They do too much uncovering.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: And it's hard.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: It really is. And then also Stacey.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Great addition. Great newbie.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Do you know what the story is with them? Are
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: they all coming back? Are they currently filming? What are
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: we doing with Potomac?
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: They just wrapped filming from my understandings.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Stacey is back. They've posted pictures.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Is the only person not back Mia?
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Any new people?
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: They haven't announced any new people yet, but photos from
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Tris has been happening. But no, I thought Stacey had
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: a great first season.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: The TJ thing was weird.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I thought it was weird, but fucking hilarious too. Yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: It was a fun thing to watch. Yes, I do
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: believe she said, listen, we're friends. We've done this thing
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: on QVC. I mean, let's just play along.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: There is no way. 1,000%.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: And then even him.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Being like, I was supposed to be paid and all
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that stuff. And I get it. Like, if you're going
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to ask someone to fly and do all this stuff,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and he's a television personality, and I don't blame her
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: for doing enough research going... I don't want to look
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: weird and pathetic and lonely and like why not benefit
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: my friend who is gay or straight. I don't know
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: what TJ is. But struggling actor and give him something.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: But you cannot, as you would know, you cannot continue
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the fakery for more than what one scene.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: No, people can spot it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: More than one fake speed date that the producer– Brought
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: somebody out from their casting Rolodex from 10 years ago.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: And so many times that's so funny when someone's like, wait,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I saw that person on, like... I saw that person
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: on this reality show from 2005. And you're like, yeah. Yeah.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: That person was not interested in Shanna Baddour. Like, come on.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: At all.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: At all.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Like, when we found out that TJ was an actor
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: on Smart Guy.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Like, with Taj Mahal. Like,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: what do we... What are we doing here?
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: So I think Stacey did everything you said she did.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: I will say, though, she still was a wonderful addition
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: to the show.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: And just even like her look and even her being
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: such like white black Barbie.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Like it was.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: It was fun for us to like watch.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: And it was just like how she'd be like, oh,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: like so Miss America.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I love her.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: So.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And what do we think of Boz? What's going
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to happen with her?
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I think Boz had a wonderful... That's okay.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I think Boz had a magnificent, magnificent debut season. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: love the fact that she came in being like, I'm
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: just here to get to know all of you girls,
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: and I'll make up my mind what I think about
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: you bitches after the fact.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: I think she came in not.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Being so thirsty.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I think she came in the right way to come in,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: which is, like, strong and had a presence. And I really, really,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: really appreciate the fact that she gave Doree a chance.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: I think her and Doree are a great duo together.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: I believe their friendship. I was the first one to
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: call out the alliance.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Of Garcelle and Sutton, and the fans dragged me Heather
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: McDonald for three years, only to find out that they
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: unfollowed each other and they're not friends.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: A juicy scoop?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: The juicy scoop, I believe to be true, for good reason,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: is that breakup is not what Sutton wanted.
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: No.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: She thought it was a real friendship. She's sad that
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: it's not continuing off camera. She has tried. And my
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: thing to her was just, Garcelle is a person that
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: makes relationships since she was 20 on set. And this
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: blurred the lines, and when it was over, it was over.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And it was over.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Interesting take. And you know that being an actress for
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: so long.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like any job, you work at Starbucks with a
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: group of people and then you leave and maybe you
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: keep in touch with a few months later, but like,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you know, you're not or whatever. But then with a
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: TV show and a reality show, I really felt that she, that,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: you know, Garcelle just was like, I'm fucking Garcelle. Like,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I don't need this shit. And these, this was, I
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: did not feel supported. And once she made her decision-
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: But do I think she could come back in two
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: years and they could make up on camera? Sure. Yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: But it is a weird thing for someone that isn't
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: from the TV world and thought that there was something
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: deeper there, but then played it wrong. I mean, when
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: you think about how many times you've been at a
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: dinner party and something weird is going on and you're like,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not stepping in. But because it's a TV show,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: it's like, why didn't you step in? You know what
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I mean? Like, if you're truly being, like, a friend,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, well, I'm just sitting here. There's cameras here.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know. I guess I should
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: have said more. She did go to Garcelle after the taping.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I know, but I'm going to tell you.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I was kind of like.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: But, Heather, I'm going to tell you what Sutton did wrong.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, Sutton, in her real life,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: wants to be around the cool girls.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: You know this living in California. There is something about
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: the Beverly Hills world of wealth and access and exclusivity
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: that you want to be a part of.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Garcelle is not a part of that.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: World, right?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: The other women are.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: And what we saw throughout the past two seasons, but
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: especially the last one, was Sutton's desire to be Kyle's bestie.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: And it was at the expense of her friendship with Garcelle.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to tell you what Sutton did wrong.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: At the reunion.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: When Garcelle left and like, I'm out of here, I'm
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: not taking a picture. Sutton should have followed her then.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: But instead she stood there and was like, well, bitch,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: I'm getting a photo.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I'm getting a photo. I'll check on you later.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I think if your real friend, and I don't know
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: who your female best friend is.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: But I will assume if there's a podcast summit.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: And it's your best friend, right? And you see that
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: she's having a moment. And Andy Cohen's like, Heather, let's
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: take a photo. I think you're saying, give me a second.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Are you okay?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: So I think the fact that she waited too long.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: But think about it. Heather, Sutton waited so long. Garcelle
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: was able to walk to her trailer, take off that dress,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: put on her Lululemon.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Still film, hop in the car, and then leave.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: That's at least 20 minutes.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And also, when you think about Garcelle's life, you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: being completely cheated on by the husband and calling it out,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: she doesn't cover for people. And when someone fucks her
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: over and shows them who they are, now, of course,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: she had to work with that man because they're raising
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the boys. But the reaction that she had, which was
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: she found out he was having a secret affair for
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: five years, and she sent an email out to every
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: single person that remotely knew either one of them in
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Hollywood and outside of Hollywood, spelling it out. knowing that
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: by doing that there was no way that she could
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: ever take him back yeah you know when you find
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: out that someone deceived you like a boyfriend or a
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: husband and you decide to blast them just know you're
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: or you're doing that so that you don't yeah get
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: sucked in and she was like there's no effing way
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: and so like yeah i think that's kind of her
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: personality yeah um Okay, so one of the other things
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: that you wanted to talk about was Mary from Real
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Housewives of Salt Lake City, former church leader. Is it former?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I think it is. Everybody wants, like, it's so clear
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to me that she's such a fun personality. She's great TV. Yes.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: But I am the only one that is constantly bringing
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: up that she ran a really shady church.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Did she? No, I don't, no.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Nobody talks about it anymore.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Were people, wait, but is that, is that true?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: It's all true. It's why she does not part of
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: it anymore. It's like doesn't even exist anymore. Because, no, she, okay,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: her grandmother ran this church. And this is all alleged,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: but with great facts. The church, you know, had people
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: worshiping and donating, but also that had all these other
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: businesses around it that created a lot of wealth. And
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: then she said, you, my granddaughter, will marry my husband.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: So she married the step grandpa.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Leaving out her mom being the heir to this big church.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: So that's why she didn't get along with her mom.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Then they had the Robert Jr. and they lived a very, very,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: very wealthy life, taking over all the other businesses that
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: sprung from the church. So I'm not saying anything is
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: illegal here. I'm just saying that's what it was. Then
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: she went to New York for five years and got
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: work done. But then up until right up until her
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: filming and during the filming, she was still on the pulpit. preaching.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: If you watch the first couple of seasons, Meredith, she's preaching. And, um,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: and then people, there was audio that came out of her,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: you know, not being nice to the people. I mean,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I think she pretty much blocked me because I've talked
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: about this before. Cause I definitely don't see Mary on anything.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, when I say I've never heard this.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: And it was like, it was her birthday and she's
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: yelling at the congregation. Like, you know, you do not
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: give enough and all this other stuff. I went to
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: the church.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: And, In Salt Lake City?
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: And I walked around and I filmed it and I
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: zoomed in and I saw the photo of the old
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: mom inside of the church. It was like absolutely not working.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: It was like abandoned. And it was just in like
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: kind of just like a normal neighborhood. And it was
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: a full church. Like it was where, you know, and
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: now it's just, yeah, she's, I don't, I don't think
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: she preaches anymore. She doesn't even really talk about like
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: being spiritual anymore. You know, it's like, it's, but she's
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: great TV and she's a friend of Meredith and whatever.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: And I do think this whole thing with her son
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: was really powerful. There's arguments saying that they shouldn't have
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: shared it on TV, but he was an adult and
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: he did. And I thought it was a moment that,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you know, is important and very relatable where he shares
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: that he is having addiction issues.
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: No, I thought it was great that they were able
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: to share because he is over 18.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: I think below that, I probably would not have wanted
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: to see it. But again, we talk about wanting to
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: see the reality of these people's lives. And again, it's relatable.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: How many mothers, unfortunately, are going through that?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: I have nothing but praise for those two for sharing
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: that story.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I also feel that essentially whatever her backstory is, I mean,
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: whether she enjoyed the riches or not, she's not into
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Robert senior. She was kind of groomed and set up
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: with him in my opinion. And so by doing this show,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there, if she ever really wants
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: to come clean about how I don't have this church anymore,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: it wasn't really what I, I don't know. I want
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: to know more about that and the trajectory of leaving
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: it and doing other things and doing something else. But
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: maybe she doesn't. Maybe she'll just be on the show
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: and make appearances and do stuff.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: And Bopper's not on the show, pretty much.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: No. And then she's, like, so, like, funny and, like,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: snooty and, like, her eyes. I mean, she is great TV. Oh,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: she is. Some producer told me that they had a
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: whole show ready to go In Salt Lake City. And
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: the network was going to take it. And then they
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: got heard, we're going to go with Real Housewives of
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City instead because we have a woman who
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: married her step-grandpa. And they're like, there's no way that
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: our little cute millennial 40-year-old families can compete with that.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: It was just like, no, we're going to go this route.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: Hey, smart move.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Agree.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Salt Lake City to me is up there.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: It's kind of number two.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's number one, Beverly Hills?
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: I think OC is having the best season ever.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: I think OC is fantastic. Salt Lake City is.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Wildly entertaining because they.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: All are entertaining on their own they are they are
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: all funny um and they come out with great lines
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: whether they there was oh did you see todd of
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: i think go to miami todd is married to alexia
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: he did a 10 minute video i watched a little
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: tiktok summary on it Basically, he's furious. He doesn't like
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: how he's being portrayed. He says he was a great
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: stepdad to Frankie. He, again, miscalculated how big this was
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: going to be.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Once again.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Doesn't like the audience coming after him. Doesn't like that
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: the cast members are saying things that he, you know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: rents an apartment, that he's not successful because he just
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: bought a $ 26 million shopping center, all this kind of stuff.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Did you watch it? And what did you think of
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: that 10 minute video?
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I did watch it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: I think Todd, listen, I understand that for a husband
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: of a real housewife, where you don't get to share
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: your point of view as often because you're not the
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: main person on the show. You're not the main story
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: in terms of getting confessionals. So I understand his frustrations
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: because look, everybody in Alexia's life is pretty much saying
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: to her, like, get rid of this asshole and you
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: deserve better. And that is a tough pill to swallow
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: if we don't know what's going on because Alexia, who
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: I love, is not telling us much of what happened.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: She's making it seem like she woke up one day
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: and Todd said, I'm leaving you, which you and I
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: both know it doesn't work out that way.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: So I.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I understand his frustration. I get it as a logical person.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Would I have done a 10 minute video?
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: No.
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: But I think for him, those women, I watched the
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: show and I love Miami. They're not kind when it
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: comes to describing Todd.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: And because we're not getting the entire story. Yeah. I
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: would be frustrated too.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: If you were Todd.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, 1,000% because Alexia, based on what we're seeing, she's
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: not really defending him.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And then what do you feel about him threatening to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: sue Bravo?
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's just silly. I mean, you signed... There's
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: no grounds. Do you know what I mean?
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't control what someone else says about you.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: And they've all... You know, they all signed those things.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: They signed the release.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: And based on what I've seen, I don't think those
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: ladies have said anything disparaging that could ruin his business.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: No.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: No one's going to not do work with him. Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: If you're good at your job, you're good at your job.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: You live in Florida.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Like, if you're good at your job, you're good.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: So I understand the frustration, but threatening a lawsuit, I
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: think he took it too far.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. OK, what is going to happen with Kenya?
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: And we talked a lot about it on the show
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: where she reveals at an event that her nemesis, who's
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: new to the show, did sexual things on camera in
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: which she went to Michael's and printed it out and
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: put it on a board like you're about to do
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: a seventh grade science project and showed it. And then
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: only to find out, according to her, it wasn't even
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: her in the first place.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: It's crazy. You can't make this shit up. This woman
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: got let go, meaning Kenya.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Because the photo she showed was explicit in nature and
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: allegedly was Brit. Brit is now saying after the season wrapped,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: after all the episodes have aired, that wasn't me.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I believe.
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: I'm lost. Okay.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I believe Brit. I think that it was the ultimate gaslighting.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I think she knew that in her past, she probably,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: she did have these out, whether it was an ex-boyfriend
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: or she willingly did webcam work or whatever. So when
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: she heard about it, because remember, she wasn't there. They
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: were like, hey, she brought out these photos and all
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: this in front of everybody. She was like so horrified.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Then they get rid of Kenya and she continues doing
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: the season. And for whatever reason, probably was done with it,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm not ever going to go do this
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: show again. And then to discover that it wasn't even her,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: then I also do think like, oh my God, like
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: think about what she's been through. Like, I think not
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: enough people realize like the gaslighting that happens on a
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: housewife thing where everybody accuses you of something. If it
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: turned out that Brooks actually proved he had full-blown cancer,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: and they put Vicky through that, and then, like, three
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: months later, without a doubt, it was a pile-on thing. Mm-hmm.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: She would have a reason to be like, oh my God,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I was telling the fucking truth. I can't believe you
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: put me through that. So it's like, I mean, I
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: had something like that happen too. Or people said, oh,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I stole these $ 10, 000 earrings. I lost one of them.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I thought they were real. I paid the girl the money.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I found out they were worth $ 42. Six weeks later.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: But I really thought I lost an important earring and
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I really felt like shit about it. And I really
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: felt like, and it was like on other podcasts and
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: people making videos about it and all this stuff. And
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: then after the fact, everyone's like, that old story. You know, like,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: and you're like, yeah, but like.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I'm out of thousands of dollars.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm, but also just like, oh my God,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I really, I felt. shitty because I believed this. So
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I kind of found that whole thing interesting. Again, she's
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: suing for like $ 20 million. I don't know. I think
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: those lawsuits are very hard. What do you think about
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Brandi Glanville and her parasite face named Caroline?
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: She named it?
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Caroline Manzo. Yeah. She named the parasite Caroline Manzo.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: And she just came out with another tweet today.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: What did she say?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: She said, oh, when my kids were way underage, they
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: were on a Skype with somebody who said, I can't
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: wait for you to turn 18. You're so good looking.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: And someone said, why were your underage kids on a
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Skype with an adult man? And then she wrote, he
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: was my boss.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: But the audience is like, all right, all right. There's
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: no proof to it. It's Skype. It doesn't even exist anymore.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Where did it happen to Skype?
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: That's the biggest question we need to know.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Netflix, do investigate them. If we're going to really figure
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: out that if COVID came from, I think COVID came
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: from the Zoom headquarters. That's where COVID came from. Because
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: that was like the day I discovered Zoom.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: Was it really?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, am I doing Skype? And someone's like, no,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: you should just do Zoom. And I'm like, wait, what?
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: And then that was it. Nobody talked about Skype again.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: You are hilarious.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: Listen, Brandi Glanville will forever be an iconic addition to
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: a housewife's world, right? What's happened to her face, obviously,
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I feel I have empathy for her.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Like, I hope she gets the best help she deserves, right?
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like to have something that
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: you thought was going to last forever stripped away from you.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: The reality show career.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: You know, like, based on the fact that it did
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: appear that Brandi had a second win.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: Based on the success of Ultimate Girls Trip, based on
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: revealing that her and Denise Richards allegedly had some, you know,
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: an affair, if you will.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: And to know that you.
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: Are being accused of something, there's a lawsuit involved, you're
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: not working right now, I feel bad.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: For her, right? But I think.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: just sort of like you said, like dropping these sort
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: of like nuggets. I just don't know how that's going
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: to help you because unless I got it wrong, I'm
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: assuming the parasite, isn't that, I believe she said this, right?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: It was caused from stress.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: No, she, I think she's insinuating that it happened when
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: she was in Morocco. I think she, everything she's trying
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: to do is trying to build a case that Bravo
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: should you know, be responsible for something, but I'm just
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: saying that.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: And because the parasite thing, I don't understand. And so,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: but then I, who knows?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: It is a sad situation because she was so beautiful
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: and she could be beautiful again, but I mean, I
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: just think her spirits crushed and.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: You know, And her confidence and all that stuff. And again,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I thought she said.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's still brandy in writing a tweet like that,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: And the reason why I brought up the stress cause
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: is because I just don't want her to do anything
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: else to cause more stress.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think her focus should be on getting healed.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I totally agree. Carlos, this was so fun.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we did this.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: This was so fun. Thanks for taking the time out
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: to come and tell everybody about all the shows you have,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: your podcast and your original content that you are in
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: charge of.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: So my podcast, Reality with the King is on YouTube.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: Every Get Your Podcast. We have like four episodes a week.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: We recap a lot of Bravo shows. We have interviews.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: My show, Love and Marriage Huntsville, every Saturday on OWN.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: And yeah, just follow me on all social platforms at
• 1:01:45
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• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: And he's also very inspirational.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you, boo. Thank you.
• 1:01:54
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