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Jonathan Brentner: Is The End Close? A Home In Glory For Believers · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fierrazo.
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  Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in.
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  We've got our friend, Jonathan Brentner, back with us, the author of Lavish Feast.
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  That's his latest book.
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  We had him on recently to talk about that.
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  It's been probably several months now, but you can go look up that one, but you can get
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  his book at JonathanBrentner.com.
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  Also, he's got a Facebook page, Jonathan C. Brentner.
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  You can look him up there and connect with him.
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  And brother, good to see you again.
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  Thanks for your time today.
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  Well, thanks for having me on.
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  I so appreciate invitation to be back with you, David.
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  Well, it encourages both of us, so there.
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  Before we jump into today's topic, and just how much closer can we get?
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  And the encouragement of Bible prophecy and the rapture, which is under attack today.
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  Before we get to that, tell us what you're doing.
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  You are kind of in this new adventure for you doing your YouTube videos and just trying
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  to encourage people.
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  Tell us about that.
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  Okay.
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  Well, several years ago, I recorded a few podcasts, and then I sort of let that go by the
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  wayside.
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  And then I just felt recently that I wanted to get back into doing that.
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  And my emphasis right now is to provide short videos, maybe 10 to 15 minutes of the ones
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  longer.
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  Just describing why we can have confidence in approaching a relation rapture.
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  That is really my heart.
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  The really heart of my ministry is to defend what we believe about.
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  Most of all, about Israel and about the most promises to them.
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  And furthermore, also, God's promises to us that He's coming for us someday.
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  He's going to take us up to heaven.
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  And my latest video is on John 14 versus 2 and 3, where I emphasize just the importance
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  that Jesus is preparing a place for us.
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  We have a home, and it's just so encouraging to me, and I hope it would be encouraging
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  to other people as well, to other believers as well, that we have a home that, or Jesus
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  is preparing a place for us.
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  And it's no coincidence that He was a carpenter.
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  Well, His dad was a carpenter, and we can almost be sure that He was trained in His dad's
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  profession before we began His ministry.
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  And that's what I emphasize that.
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  He's building a place for us.
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  And just how amazing is it that the Lord isn't preparing a place for us, in some far
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  off, distant place in the galaxy?
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  He's preparing a place for us where He's going to spend eternity.
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  For God, the Father and the Lord Jesus, our Savior, it's their home as well, how amazing
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  can that be.
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  And we know it's a huge, huge place, but I just think it's so encouraging that He's
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  preparing a place for us.
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  This world is increasingly not our home, but He's coming back to take us to other places
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  preparing for us.
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  Amen.
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  It's hard to imagine it really is, because God is spaceless, timeless, and here we are stuck
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  in this current world.
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  But you're referring to John chapter 14.
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  And why don't we just read that, and you can say anything else you'd like to about
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  that before we move on, Jonathan?
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  Jesus said, do not let your heart be troubled, believe in God, believe also in me.
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  In my Father's house are many dwelling places.
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  If it were not so, I would have told you, for I go to prepare a place for you.
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  If I go to prepare a place for you, I will come back again to receive you to myself that
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  where I am, you may be also.
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  And then he goes on to the first.
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  I hope everybody knows in John 14, 6 when he said, I am the way the truth and the life.
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  No one comes to the Father, but through me.
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  But Jonathan, let's focus on, he's specifically said he's going, he's getting things ready,
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  and he's going to come back, and then he's going to take us to be with him, share whatever
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  you like on your heart right now.
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  Okay, yes.
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  The fact of the matter is he's coming to take us to where he is at, to where I am.
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  He's not coming to be where we are at.
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  And it's interesting, a few verses earlier, when Peter was wondering about why Jesus was
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  going to leave them, the Lord Jesus said, you know, he indicated that they would follow
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  him eventually.
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  He would follow me, but not now.
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  And he was referring to the time when he would come back for them and take him to the
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  place that he was preparing for them.
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  And in Colossians 3, 4, you know, Paul writes that when Jesus appears, we will appear with
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  him in glory.
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  That's not a place on earth.
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  When Jesus comes, we go to glory to be with him.
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  And then in the second coming, we come back to earth with him.
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  So friends, I don't, I don't remember if I gave his website over at JonathanBrentner.com,
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  but also Harbinger'sDaily.com.
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  He's got an author page there as well there it is.
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  So if you want to check out his writings there or his website and he's got a YouTube channel,
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  he goes by Jonathan C. Brentner on YouTube.
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  So let's move on to Daniel 9 and you focus on 927 and I like what you pointed out.
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  And the verse says, he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week and then it
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  goes on and then until the decreed end is poured out on the decilator.
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  But let's focus on that, the strong covenant.
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  And then it's not just with one person or one nation, it's for the covenant is with many.
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  Can you explain that?
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  For a long time, I didn't understand how that was going to work because it's evident
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  that it refers to Israel as the covenant of death that the prophet Isaiah talks about
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  in the book of Isaiah.
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  But now we understand what that could signify.
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  I'm not at all saying that Trump is anti-Christ or anything like that, but we see him gathering
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  the support of many nations and building this, this League of Nations in a sense and hoping
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  that the strength and numbers of all these Arab nations will help enforce the peace for Israel.
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  Now we know it's not going to work until Jesus returns, but I think it's so fascinating
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  that now we understand a little bit more about what it might signify and that there will
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  be many nations involved in this and it's yet that we don't know yet how it's all going
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  to play out and the specifics of it.
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  But it is amazing that now we have many and it's like pointing out to my newsletter,
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  presidents for 50 years have tried to bring peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors,
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  but now something's a little bit different.
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  I don't think it's going to work.
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  It hasn't worked so far, but it's amazing to see how this is sitting the stage for what
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  lies ahead.
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  So I just want to quote you from your article and this again, friends, you can find this
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  at JonathanBrentinter.com.
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  It's exactly what we would expect.
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  How much closer can we get?
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  You say this, what we see happening at the UN, United Nations and among the nations is
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  setting the stage for the accord that anti-Christ will make with, quote, the many to ensure
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  peace in the Middle East.
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  It's likely this covenant will allow Israel to build a third temple.
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  In order to fulfill Jesus' words about the last week of Daniel, this temple must exist
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  by the midpoint of the seven-year tribulation and it will.
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  So Jonathan, there's a lot to unpack in just that, those couple sentences there.
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  Would you do that, please?
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  Okay, well, you know, working backwards, you know, the idea of the temple that we see
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  the temple of fever in Israel like never before.
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  The temple of altitude is trading Levites to be, to service priests in the temple.
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  You know, we see this fever just exploding throughout Israel, even the government has
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  gotten into the planning for the eventuality that there will be a temple on the temple
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  mount.
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  And as I explained earlier, we see the stage sitting with, with the many that Trump
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  is involving many nations and trying to secure the peace in Israel.
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  And we don't know exactly how it'll transpire.
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  We don't know exactly how anti-Christ will turn this into his covenant.
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  But we see the framework that I believe he will eventually use.
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  So also you go on to say, consider how these things fit what the Bible says about Israel
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  in the last days.
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  And then there's some bullet points and very, very clear.
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  When you look at them listed like this, Jonathan, it's like, wow, Israel exists as a nation
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  steeped in unbelief.
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  Check Israel is either at war or under constant threat of imminent attack.
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  Check the obsession of many nations seeking to bring peace to the Middle East.
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  Check that off.
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  A growing passion within Israel to build the third temple.
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  Check.
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  And already trained, as you mentioned, Levite priesthood ready to serve in the future temple.
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  And then here's one I would like you to speak a little bit more to intense worldwide anti-semitism.
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  Check.
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  Not surprising, but I guess it may be caught a lot of people, especially in America off
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  guard since October 7, 2023.
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  Go ahead, Jonathan.
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  Yes, it was building before that.
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  But as you look at what will happen during the tribulation period, we know that anti-Christ
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  is going to succeed in killing a great many of the Jewish people, and it's not going
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  to do that in a vacuum.
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  Just as Hitler had a great army supporting his anti-Jewish agenda in concentration camps
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  and whatever, the anti-Christ will also have a league of people and it's not going to
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  happen in a vacuum.
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  And long ago, I thought, you know, if what happens during the tribulation to the Jews is going
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  to happen, we're going to have to see the build-up of anti-semitism in our world, and boy
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  is it ever exploding.
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  And I also believe that the anti-semitism of the world is driving people to Israel, even
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  though the nation is under like a cast of threat of war, if they're not being bombed
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  at the time, people are still going back to Israel.
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  I read recently that Israel is saying that if people want to come to Israel, especially
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  for New York, that they'll forego the income tax for them for a couple years, they're trying
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  to give breaks to businesses who come back to Israel, so it makes it easier for them
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  to do.
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  And the election of that, the socialist Muslim in New York is just adding fuel to the fire.
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  And could that lead to many Jews from New York going to Israel?
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  I'm not sure, but it seems that it's a likely scenario in the future.
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  Yeah, that was, I would say eye-opening, maybe to a lot of people.
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  The election of Mamdani in New York as the mayor of New York City.
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  So it'll be interesting to see how many Jewish people move out of New York.
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  That's still to be seen.
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  But a couple more minutes before we take a brief pause with you, Jonathan, the next section
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  that I'm going through your article here, Tis the season.
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  And you say yes, yes, the holiday season is here, but I'm referring to another season,
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  and that is of Jesus' imminent appearing.
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  I say that because according to second Thessalonians 2, 3 through 8,
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  Antichrist cannot appear on the world scene until after the rapture.
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  So can you talk just about that timing briefly?
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  Yes, it seems to be that, you know, well, in second Thessalonians, Paul was talking about the fact
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  that the day of the Lord had not started yet, and he was telling them that,
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  they could know that the day of the Lord had not started yet because the Antichrist was not on
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  the world scene. Then a little bit later in that same passage, there seems to be a connection
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  between the restrainer, who might believe is a Holy Spirit.
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  The restrainer is removed during the time of the rapture.
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  And after that, there's no more restriction on Antichrist appearing on the world scene.
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  So there seems to be that that train of events that the rapture happens,
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  and the restraining force of the Holy Spirit leaves with us.
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  Now, that doesn't mean that the Holy Spirit will be active during the translation period,
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  because we see a great many people will come to know Jesus as their Savior,
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  after we're gone.
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  It just means that this particular ministry of the Holy Spirit through us as believers
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  will end in the Holy Spirit.
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  I'm sorry.
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  And then Antichrist will in his reign of lawlessness will be fully revealed to the world.
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  I like the warnings in that section from 2 Thessalonians 2 as well.
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  I mean, it starts out by saying, we request you, brethren, it says that you not be quickly shaken
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  from your composure. Now, this is the new American standard version of reading,
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  but don't be shaken from your composure or disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter
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  as if it were from us to the effect that the day the Lord has come.
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  And then it says, again, in verse 3, let no one in any way deceive you for it will not come
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  until or unless the apostasy comes first in the man of lawlessness is revealed.
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  A lot of warnings, it seems like Jesus said, watch or do not be deceived so many times.
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  Paul does picks up the same theme quite often when he talks about these things.
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  Don't be deceived. Make sure you go to the word know exactly what's happening.
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  But Jonathan, we've got to take a brief pause.
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  Brentner, in this article, you've got a picture of, I think it's the economist magazine that says
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  the world ahead 2026. And it's a little creepy and scary. But this is what's happening. We've
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  got to be aware. But you say in the article, some analysts say that the cover portrays 2026 is
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  a time of three things, war, pestilence or epidemics, three financial collapse. Talk to us about
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  your thoughts on any of these. It occurred to be that that's what will happen with the writers
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  of the apocalypse and in revelation sex. It was tracking so much with revelation six versus one
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  two eight because there we see wars, we see pestilence and epidemics,
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  adversity, and we also see financial collapse. And all these things have been in a sense hanging
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  over our heads, but it sent for several years. And it gets back to, it gets back to what we
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  talked about in 2nd Thessalonians 2 because it's a restrainer that's holding these things back. In
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  fact, I think we'd already be with Jesus and these things would already be overspread throughout
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  the world if not for the restraining force of the Holy Spirit. People have been talking about
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  financial collapse for many, many years, 12 years ago, I read a book about the impending
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  financial disaster that was at hand. And the arguments were very good and valid, but it hasn't
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  happened yet. And I attribute that to the restraining force of the Holy Spirit.
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  Yeah, I think we're getting close to that. A lot of indicators and a lot of so-called experts,
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  some of them might be authentic experts with knowledge and experience on this. And others are
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  just, you know, prognosticating. But I want to talk about something else. Unless, so that was the
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  financial aspect on a potential collapse. What about pestilence or epidemics? I mean, we went through
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  COVID five years ago and was that an eye opener. I hope to a lot of people, especially the body of
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  Christ. And not just what happens when fear is built up and the media just played on the fears of
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  the people and the left used fear to gain more control. But not only that, Jonathan, that we,
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  not we, some churches in the body of Christ in America sadly believed the lie that the church in
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  America was non-essential. Really? The church, the gospel, Christians, non-essential. And but
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  anyway, we, hopefully we learned our lesson, but what are your thoughts on pestilence or epidemics?
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  I think that the, the globalists, the elite of our world are still planning to use that in the
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  future. The spread, I read about these labs that are producing these, these viruses and epidemics.
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  I don't know why they're experimenting with them. If there's one that's already out there and
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  they need to come up with some kind of antidote, I could understand that, but not all the experimentation
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  that's going on. I believe that they saw how well that COVID worked in controlling the people.
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  And I believe that they will use it again at some point in the future. And I'm hoping that the
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  rapture happens before that time, but we just don't know. So you also mentioned in the article
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  after talking about these three things and these are huge, each one of them, huge categories
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  of what might be happening and wars are already happening. But you say if these sound familiar,
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  they are conditions we read about in Revelation 6, 1 through 8 after Jesus opens the first four
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  seals, releasing the riders of the apocalypse. Talk to us a little bit about that.
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  Yeah, we see those same things in those verses. We see the war, the financial devastation.
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  And we also see that the pestilence is the widespread death. And I just thought it was so
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  interesting to look at that cover and to realize that it's not just the Bible talking about those
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  things coming, that it is also a secular magazine produced, I believe, in United Kingdom.
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  Talking about these things as well, that's just really surprised me. And in a sense,
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  blew me away. I said, wow, how close can we get? How much closer can we get to the end times?
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  But yet, I know that there's that restraining force of the Holy Spirit that we've been talking about.
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  But at some point, he's going to say enough is enough. And as another aspect of that too,
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  I run across so many Christians that plan for their future as though nothing is going to interrupt it.
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  And of course, we don't know the timing of Jesus appearing to take us home.
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  But yet, we have to hold the future in our hands loosely. It's good to plan, we need to plan,
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  we need to be wise and looking forward. We need to be good stewards of the resources that he's
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  given to us. There's nothing wrong in sitting goals. But to talk is, though, you have all the time
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  in the world and nothing is going to interrupt your plans, it's just, it's full hearty, I believe,
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  considering what even secular magazines are telling us about the future, let alone what we read in
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  the headlines every day on our new states. Yeah, we're close to a lot of things and even prophetic
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  things. There's signs all around us. I think of Ephesians, I think it's 415, but don't quote me on
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  that. No, 515, talking about redeeming the time. And I think Christians need to have a sense of
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  urgency that I don't think we've had. And I've asked this question so often, Jonathan, what is it
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  going to take the body of Christ in the West or at least in America to wake up? You know, we went
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  through COVID, we've gone through all the kinds of big world events. We went through the assassination
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  of Charlie Kirk a couple months ago. What is it going to take for Christians to wake up? Well,
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  that's for another podcast. We've got three minutes left. You write about, you know, replacement
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  theology, anti-Semitism. Why do you think these just off views on Bible prophecy are so popular,
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  such as replacement theology? That is a really good question. I think that there's this aura of
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  wanting something that's popular and so they are popular. It also, these things rely on human wisdom,
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  just like narcissism back in the first and second century of the church. There was this pride
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  in people knowing something that others did not know. And I'm not saying it is exactly the same,
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  but there is that sense of something new. And it's so ironic because I point out in one of my articles
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  that the NAR, the new apostolic reformation people, many of them criticized the rapture because
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  no one believed in it until John Darby in the late 1800s and they say something that new can't
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  possibly be true, but yet they encourage us to believe what they're saying because it is
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  new. It's just insanely ironic that that is going on. And it's also, it also hinges on a lot of
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  personal experiences. I mentioned in one of my articles, a lot of people, they have these experiences
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  and they place experiences over the words of scripture. They have, they have this, well,
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  even with the cults, you know, you have these people that have visions, experiences, they get
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  divine revelation is going on. Today, people have these visions and, you know, God can speak to us,
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  but it has to be in accordance with agreement with scripture. Yes. God's words, the authoritative
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  words for all our faith and practice. And so you have all kinds of people have with these ideas.
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  Now, you know, the pre-tribal age of rapture, I hope, and Jesus, seven and a period has been
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  very encouraging and comforting to me over the year. I can cite many experiences,
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  but it's not my experiences that I based by hope and Jesus, seven and a period is the words of
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  scripture. And that's why I have such a passion to teach it and to explain scripture
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  as to why I believe it is true. Thank you, brother. And thank you for talking about, you know,
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  revelation and things like that. The canon is closed. There is no new revelation. God does speak
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  today, but primarily he speaks through his word. And, you know, the Holy Spirit is alive and active,
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  but on the word of God is alive and active, but friends, there is no new revelation. So be careful,
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  going down those paths. Jonathan, thank you. I want to encourage people to look you up on Facebook,
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  connect with you there. Jonathan Brentner, also your book invitation to a lavish feast.
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  That's on Amazon, but you can get the link at JonathanBrentner.com.
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  If you're on Harbinger's Daily, keep up with both of us there. We're both thankful to be a part
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  of Harbinger's Daily. And guys, thank you so much. Jonathan, we appreciate your time,
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  brother. Have a Merry Christmas. Okay, you. Thanks so much for having me, David. You have a very,
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  very Christmas, too. Thank you. You're most welcome, brother. Friends, thank you. God bless you,
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  and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.