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The Neurological Truth About Joy — And Why Burned Out Healers Can't Access It | Episode 27 · The Brain Dump

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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Sandy Boone, therapist, coach, and nervous system educator with 30 years in the health care and mental health fields.
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  SPEAKER_00: I built two practices, got diagnosed with ADHD at 50, and learned the hard way that healers need healing too.
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  SPEAKER_00: I help female therapists and healers regulate their nervous systems, reclaim their lives, and stop being everyone's everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Braindump with Sandy Boone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something happened recently that stopped me in my tracks.
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  SPEAKER_00: My son is getting married.
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  SPEAKER_00: His soon to be stepdaughter, this little girl who is still getting to know us, still figuring out where she fits in this new family picture, wanted to spend the night for the first time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Her mom had mentioned that it might help to kind of nudge her into it, encourage her a little bit more firmly, make it happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: I said no over and over.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because I didn't want her there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I absolutely did, but because I wanted her to desire it on her own.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wanted her to feel safe enough and comfortable enough and drawn enough to us that she chose it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because an adult pushed her towards it, but because something in her said yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And finally she chose it on her own in her own time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the feeling that came with that moment, that small, quiet, completely unscheduled moment of genuine connection, that's what I call vitamin J, vitamin Joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I want to talk about what burnout actually steals from you, because I don't think we name it accurately enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: We talk about exhaustion and depletion and overwhelm, and we talk about what burnout takes from your productivity and your capacity and your clinical presence, but we don't talk nearly enough about what it takes from your joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd like to start with the numbers because they're staggering, and I think we've gotten numb to them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Research from a landmark JAMA systematic review of 182 studies found that roughly 67% of physicians meet burnout criteria at any given time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nurses show a similar picture, one-third experience high emotional exhaustion, one quarter report pronounced depersonalization.
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  SPEAKER_00: A 2024 synthesis of surveys in the public health workforce found a pool prevalence of 39%.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are not small numbers.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a field on fire.
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  SPEAKER_00: When researchers look at what burnout looks like in the brain and body, here's what they find.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's emotional exhaustion that doesn't resolve with rest.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's cognitive drag, lapses in concentration, memory slips, slower decision making.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's affective changes, irritability, pessimism, a kind of defensive emotional distancing from the people you're trying to help.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then there are the physical manifestations, headaches, gastrointestinal issues, and sleep disturbance.
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  SPEAKER_00: The body's keeping the score as it always does.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here is what I don't see named often enough in burnout literature.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the loss of joy, not just the absence of positive feelings, the actual neurological inability to access them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Burnout doesn't just deplete your energy, it shifts your entire nervous system into a chronic threat state.
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  SPEAKER_00: In a chronic threat state, something specific happens in the brain that changes everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Joy is not a personality trait.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not something some people have and others don't.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a biological process.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you experience genuine joy, your brain's reward circuitry activates.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dopamine, serotonin, endorphins, those aren't just feel-good chemicals.
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  SPEAKER_00: They improve mood, sharpen cognition, strengthen immune response, and support your body's ability to recover from stress.
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  SPEAKER_00: Research links frequent positive emotions to faster stress recovery, stronger social bonds, and measurably better long-term health outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Joy is physiological.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is not optional.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is truly vitamin J, a biological requirement your system needs to function.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's what happens to that system under chronic burnout.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you are operating in a sustained threat state, which is elevated cortisol, suppressed parasympathetic tone, your amygdala running constant threat surveillance, you cannot access your serotonergic contentment circuitry.
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  SPEAKER_00: The threat system neurologically suppresses the reward system.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your brain is not being dramatic, it's making a survival calculation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Threat detection always takes priority.
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  SPEAKER_00: Joy gets deprioritized.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if that state persists long enough, the pathway to joy doesn't just go quiet.
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  SPEAKER_00: It becomes harder to access even when the threat is gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is why burned out people say things like, I used to love this work and now I feel nothing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember what made me happy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or I know I should feel grateful, but I just feel flat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Friends, that's not ingratitude.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a weakness.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a nervous system that's been in survival mode for so long that it has suppressed the very circuitry that allows you to experience the good things that are still right in front of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: The coffee with your friend is still there.
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  SPEAKER_00: The dogs are still there.
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  SPEAKER_00: The moment of true connection is still happening.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your system just can't receive it.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a vitamin J deficiency.
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to tell you about my two best boys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Rudy is our black lab.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our vet describes him as reactive.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a lot.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has opinions and energy and a particular approach to the world that keeps us on our toes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Leo is our yellow lab.
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  SPEAKER_00: Leo hardly has pulse most days.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stuggles from both of them, the reactive one and the one who barely notices the world is happening, are medicinal for my nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is not a metaphor, that is physiology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Physical contact with animals activates the parasympathetic nervous system, reduces cortisol, increases oxytocin.
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  SPEAKER_00: The research is solid.
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  SPEAKER_00: My two labs are a legitimate nervous system intervention.
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  SPEAKER_00: Coffee with a friend last week, a real conversation, not a scheduled check-in or a professional debrief, just two people sitting together and actually being present with each other.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little girl who decided on her own that she felt safe enough to stay the night.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are not grand gestures and they're not retreats or protocols or optimization strategies.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are small, specific ordinary moments of genuine connection, genuine pleasure and genuine aliveness.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is vitamin J.
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  SPEAKER_00: Notice what every single one of those examples has in common.
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  SPEAKER_00: None of them were forced.
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  SPEAKER_00: None were scheduled on our productivity calendar, and none required me to earn them first or perform wellness before I was allowed to receive them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were just there.
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  SPEAKER_00: My nervous system was regulated enough in those moments to actually feel them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Friends, that's the whole game, not manufacturing joy, building a nervous system that can receive it when it arrives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here is where the functional medicine piece comes in, because I don't want to leave you with just feel more joy as the takeaway.
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  SPEAKER_00: That would be the wellness grip version of this conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: The reason some people can't access joy even when they want to is not always psychological.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's physiological.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dopamine, the neurotransmitter most associated with the anticipatory drive toward pleasurable experiences, requires specific nutritional precursors to be produced.
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  SPEAKER_00: It requires adequate mineral status.
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  SPEAKER_00: It requires mitochondrial function to support the energy demands of the brain's reward circuitry.
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  SPEAKER_00: Serotonin, which supports sustained contentment and emotional stability, is produced largely in the gut.
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  SPEAKER_00: Gut health is directly relevant to your capacity for joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not a metaphor, this is biochemistry.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I looked at a burned out healer through a functional medicine lens, what I often see is a system that's physiologically depleted and the very nutrients and minerals that support the production of the neurochemicals joy requires.
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  SPEAKER_00: You cannot supplement your way to joy with positive thinking, and you cannot meditate your way to it if your gut isn't producing the serotonin.
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  SPEAKER_00: You cannot willpower your way to dopamine if your body doesn't have the raw materials.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is why the functional medicine questions matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: What are you eating?
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  SPEAKER_00: What does your mineral status look like?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's your gut health doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's your toxic burden?
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  SPEAKER_00: What does your body actually have to work with?
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  SPEAKER_00: The path back to vitamin J is not always through the mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it goes straight through the body.
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  SPEAKER_00: Speaking directly to therapists and healers listening because this is relevant to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You chose a field built on helping other people feel better.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are good at identifying what other people need, and you are extremely skilled at creating the conditions for other people's healing.
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  SPEAKER_00: When was the last time you asked yourself what you need to feel joy?
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  SPEAKER_00: Not what you need to be more productive or to be a better clinician, what you need to feel alive in your own life.
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  SPEAKER_00: What I see in burned out healers consistently is that they have optimized everything except joy.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have all the right systems, the right boundaries, the right supervision.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are doing all the things.
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  SPEAKER_00: They just feel flat.
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  SPEAKER_00: That flatness is information.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's your nervous system telling you that something essential is missing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not something you can add to your to-do list.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's something you have to actually receive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Vitamin J is not a reward for finishing your work, and it's not something you earn after you've taken care of everyone else.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is truly a biological requirement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Running without it long enough is what turns a calling into a grind.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what does vitamin J actually look like?
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  SPEAKER_00: It starts with noticing what still moves you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not what used to move you before burnout and not what you think should move you.
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  SPEAKER_00: What lands right now, even just a little.
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  SPEAKER_00: A conversation that felt real, a moment with an animal, a piece of music, a meal that tasted like something, a client who said something that reminded you why you do this work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Slow down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Start there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not with a protocol, start with just noticing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then ask the physiological questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is your body running on?
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  SPEAKER_00: When did you last look at your mineral status?
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  SPEAKER_00: What is your gut health doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: What is your nervous system's baseline state these days?
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  SPEAKER_00: If your body doesn't have the raw materials to produce dopamine and serotonin, noticing what moves you is only the first step.
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  SPEAKER_00: You also have to give your system what it needs to generate the neurochemical response.
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  SPEAKER_00: Choy isn't a mindset shift.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a biological state your system has to be resourced enough to access.
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  SPEAKER_00: For a lot of healers, the resource piece hasn't been looked at ever.
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  SPEAKER_00: A little girl chose to stay the night because she felt safe.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not because anyone made her or because we engineered the perfect conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something in her nervous system said yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: That moment landed in me the way genuine joy does, quietly, completely, and without fanfare.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was my vitamin J.
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  SPEAKER_00: Burnout doesn't steal your capacity for joy permanently.
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  SPEAKER_00: It suppresses it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It buries it under cortisol and threat surveillance and the accumulated weight of giving everything you have for far too long without asking for what you need.
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  SPEAKER_00: The path back, it's not dramatic.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's small and specific and real.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's two Labrador retrievers on the couch, it's coffee with a friend, and it's a little girl choosing you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your nervous system knows how to receive joy, it just needs the conditions and the resources to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's make sure you have both.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for being here.
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  SPEAKER_00: If something today resonated and you're ready to look at what your body is running on, check out the show notes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll find information about booking a functional medicine deep dive with me at sandyboon.com.
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  SPEAKER_00: 90 minutes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your intake and up to two lab panels.
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  SPEAKER_00: A root cause roadmap built specifically for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because restoring vitamin J sometimes starts with a hair sample and an honest conversation about what your cells actually need.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's where we start.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, thanks for being here.