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Rissi Palmer & Miko Marks: "Buckle Bunny," No Cringe, and My Black Country, ep. 326 · Basic Folk

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello and welcome to Basic Folk where we have honest conversations with folk musicians on the bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's me, your host Cindy House.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, this is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for joining us today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very excited to have REC Palmer and Miko Marks back on the podcast, Lizzie and I. We had such a great time with Miko and REC back in twenty twenty three that every time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lizzie and I get together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get chatten and we're like we should have those two back on just because they are
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[SPEAKER_00]: So fun and so insightful and they agreed to come back on so we're gonna get to that in just a minute before we do that have you signed up for basic folks monthly newsletter You can do that at the link in the show notes or you can sign up at basic folk.com It's an email that could sent out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to tell you know that Lizzie know basic folk co-host has a brand new project that's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From basic folk co-host Lizzie no and viral Nashville singer songwriter Nathan Evan Fox comes the yallidarity social club, a new podcast, merging roots music and radical politics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: really interesting book, and I cannot wait to listen to this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Solidarity social club premier September eighth, wherever you get podcasts, and we will be sharing an episode in the basic folk feed, probably when I get back from my second round of maternity leave, which would probably in November, so November, December.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's get to the main event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This time we're checking in with country singer songwriter and color-me-country radio host Reecy Palmer, an Americana country artist, Miko Marx, two of our faves,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The close friends both came up as black women and country music in the early part of the twenty-first century where they experienced gatekeepers and discrimination in the industry, but undeniable love from listeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both stepped away from music for several years, but have since come back and found their audiences, artistic grooves and industry independence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We last spoke with the pair in twenty twenty three and you got to listen to that conversation in case you missed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a link in the show notes for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've wanted them back on ever since.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Recy and me go dive into what they think is making waves and positive change in country and Americana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: had to take notes during this episode because I learned so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we talk about rising pop country singer Adele Tanner and her twenty twenty three hit buckle bunny, a song that's clearly written for a different kind of country music fan read young black women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reesy mentions having Mississippi country sensation Kirby, who is fabulous on her show recently and promises that Kirby's upcoming Miss Black America is going to be a monster of an album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a lot of consensus on the podcast that Madeline Edwards has released the best album of twenty twenty five with her record fruit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where she digs into the extreme grief and extreme joy she's experienced after her brother passed away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That record is not a country record, but she has been eating a lot of Nashville support.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been listening to it and it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Madeline Edwards, check the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to grab her name and the name of her record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Elsewhere we also touch on the pair's experiences at Rihanna and Gidden's inaugural Biscuits and Banjo's festival in Durham earlier this year, which was an event dedicated to the reclamation and exploration of black music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miko went as an attendee and recie went as a performer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about Alice Randall's new compilation My Black Country, the songs of Alice Randall, a collection of Randall compositions recorded by Black women, including selections performed by both Miko and Reseed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about audiences in London versus the US a contrast that basic folk co-host Lizzie as well as Reseed and Miko have experienced firsthand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, Reseed has been curating and this is brought up briefly in the episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But not talked about too much, but this is pretty rad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Risi has been curating a Colour Me Country stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Colour Me Country is her radio show on Apple Music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's been curating a stage at the long road festival in Leicester, Shire England for the past four years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hope you learned something new, get some insight into what's happening in Americana for musicians who are black.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and gain some joy from listening to Risi and Miko's hilarious banter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we'll listen to some songs from Risi and Miko throughout the episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Including a twenty twenty three song, they recorded together called Still Here, in fact, let's start with a clip from that song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's Risi Palmer and Miko Marx.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basic folk.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Ain't not me, you're a little lame.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You're a thunder, you can hear my name.
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[SPEAKER_06]: If I can let you on, I'm built to stay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't choose me, just make it disappear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Miko Marks and Racie Palmer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome the hell back to Basic Folk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So happy to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for making the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Miko tried to not come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we demanded her presence.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She sure did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She sure did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I tried it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I tried it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I really did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay Cindy wants to know something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so last time we spoke Miko mentioned that Risi is incredible at impressions and she claimed that Risi was so good at impressions that she would be able to imitate Lizzie and myself after our interview.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's kick it off today by hearing from Racy, like what has been your history with impersonating people who's your favorite impression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And take a stop at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take kick that soft.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was going to say, you're going to make me do the impression in front of you.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Where does that come from?
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[SPEAKER_07]: I honestly, okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm going to try to give you a succinct answer.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think that I have always been a watcher.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm a person that watches people a lot and like some of that is like a trauma response like let me make sure that you these people aren't crazy and then also like to protect myself kind of thing but also like people fascinate me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: They just do like for good and bad reasons like I'm just endlessly fascinated by humans and so I'm one of those people that sits in the airport and while everybody else is playing cookie jam.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm watching like just the people walk by and like I'm listening to people's conversation.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I am I am if you see recent public air.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I am listening.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I know what is going on on your phone and everything.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, oh girl, did you call it back?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like just all that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So that's that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so then what it turned into was me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I realized that when I could do these voices and stuff, I could make people laugh.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so I realized what a valuable thing that was as a child.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Again, I think that's a trauma response thing because I grew up if you're not, and this wasn't my parents.
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[SPEAKER_07]: This was a whole side thing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I used to stay with a family and they were abusive.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so I could get out of getting beat or getting a weapon if I made them laugh.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so then I kind of became a class clown because of that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like people would ask me about certain things or like people wouldn't tease me or I wouldn't be put in weird position if I'm making you laugh.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so that's honestly, I mean, that's way darker origin story than I think you all were expecting.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But in therapy, I've kind of dug it out.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Why are you so silly sometimes?
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[SPEAKER_07]: And like part of it is is that I'm a silly person.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And then part of it is, a lot of it was a protective mechanism.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So, okay, now let's get back to the light.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Some of my early impressions, I used to do impressions of like my mom and my grandmother.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so they had very distinct, like, very southern.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, can we get granny?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so my grandmother was this.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so everything was very fast and greasy.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And like, my name had like, greasy is how we normally say, we're greasy.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I know you're not over there.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm chow.
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[SPEAKER_07]: No, let me tell you something.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She disappeared and she went to Diddy Waddy.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I used to think Diddy Waddy was a place that people went.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But that is that is where crazy people and bad people in my grandmother's stories were end up is in Diddy Waddy.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So that was
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[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, I would do impressions of people on television, right?
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[SPEAKER_07]: I would do like Tina Turner, like I'm a child of the eighties, and so Tina Turner, everything.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She talks with her face like this.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, it's a cadence thing with Tina Turner.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so, and then as a singer, I would impersonate singers that I liked.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so I would listen to your tone, and I would try to figure out how you do things.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so, yeah, my first job was me as six legs at sixteen being Mel B from the Spice Girls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stop that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've stopped that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I've pictures.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I've pictures of me and a little and a little leopard print to piece outfit.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Wait.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She can't get away with not doing an impression with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't get away with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's your sin shit.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Uh, Cindy.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Can I do Cindy later?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to listen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I will do Cindy later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does that make you feel Cindy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I totally get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to do a really good impression of Bob Boilin, because I would listen to all songs considered all the time, but I can't do it anymore, because I haven't listened in a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I get it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to listen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, listen, I'd like to welcome the meekomarks with a talk show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are without question, the clean of the Bay Area Root scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that people from the Bay love to talk about their Bay Area Heroes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is a non-usition from your hometown that inspires you or who you fan girl over?
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[SPEAKER_04]: a non-musician from my hometown because you know I'm from Flint, Michigan.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I say I always say hometown where I currently live.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is my hometown the Bay Area, non-musician that I fan girl out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Steph Curry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm staying girl out on Steph Curry just for all the work that he does in the community.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Never mind all the basketball accolades he has, but this man is boots on the ground in the bay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He has all kinds of programs for the children.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They feed the children in certain ways.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's just rooted and grounded in the bay as particularly in Oakland for the kids.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I love me some Steph Curry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hear all for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My nephew, Avery, growing up in Oakland.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I recently listened to a podcast about how vertical, talky videos are ruining our culture and society.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we all make them and we all watch them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like everyone on the call does a very good job at making those types of videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And whenever I try to do it, I have to do it at least like three or four times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really always don't like the end result.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you do great vertical videos, Cindy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I review the narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about these types of videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you do this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your tips?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how do you feel about these vertical videos that are ruining her society?
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[SPEAKER_07]: I hate content.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not gonna lie.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I hate it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I hate it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: This is my least favorite part of this job, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so that is why
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[SPEAKER_07]: If it does look like it's natural and it's fun to me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Me and my girlfriend and I had just had this conversation.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, it's really just because I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like it's just like if it's like, oh, Reece gets on there with no makeup on and glasses and like baseball caps and laying in bed.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Same.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It's literally just because it's protests.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like I was just like, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, I'm laying here in a bed.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm eating some cheetos and let me tell you about this new song that's coming out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this idea that we should have to be polished or presentable when we're like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: expected to be on social media all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love your social media presence for that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for like all the knowledge you're constantly dropping, it's like I need an encyclopedia and I'm laughing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Well, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I actually did kind of try with those videos.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You're talking about the black history months though.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I actually did try for that because I was just like, this is valuable.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But like this other stuff like Recy tell them that you want them to buy tickets or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Like, look, do you like the songs?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Do you want to come to the show?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Come to the show.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And now I'm going to go cook dinner for these kids.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Right, we know what this is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Recy knows how.
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[SPEAKER_04]: recently knows how I feel about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a copy-paced content person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If she has something good and somebody says something poignant or just just spot on, I'm like, copy-paced, repost, I have the app because it gives me a voice when I don't have the necessary words to say how I'm feeling.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll see somebody saying I'll be like, using it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you all for all your content.
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[SPEAKER_04]: because I get done repost because that's my voice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You give me a voice where I don't have it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel aged out of content and I'm just tired of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And if somebody didn't tell me, hey, Mikko, you need to post this or you need to post that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mikko will be over here quietly living.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm grateful to the people that help and to people like you, Risi, I'd be like, girl, give me that so I can post it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She really does when we went on tour.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It was basically like, Nico, come on.
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[SPEAKER_07]: We have to, we have to say, oh wait, what happened?
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[SPEAKER_07]: That is so weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at a beautiful photo of Risi holding it a guitar.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, much better.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She was ready for content.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I am not.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So like that's like that's.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Just look at her.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, no, Mikko.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It was funny when we weren't too late.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I would just be like, I guess we need to make some content.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So it would literally be like Mikko and I are eating sandwiches.
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[SPEAKER_07]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Would you like to come to the show?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Mikko and I are getting pedicures.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Would you like to come to the show?
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[SPEAKER_07]: And like that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I just, I can't be bothered to like get the ring light and do the thing.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I just, I'm just too old, I think.
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[SPEAKER_07]: This is so old at this point, like I just know, I don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't be, we cannot be chained to the ring light.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My favorite phrase right now is aged out.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I tell people I'm aged out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm aged out of the new thing that they're coming up with for us to use on aged out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's my favorite thing and I let myself off the hook with that.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That's good.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I support you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm curious about what you all are hearing broadly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if I were to ask you, Miko, what do you think is really exciting that's going on in Roots' music right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's your brief state of the union and same to you, Risi?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, from where you sit, from the submissions you're getting at Color Me Country, from what you're seeing live, like, what's hot in Country right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's hot in Roots?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Miko, you want to go first, you want me to go?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Once again, I'm aged out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, just kidding.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, kidding.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What I see that's exciting about what's going on in Bruce Music is the volume that's coming out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the eyes on people that are independent, marginalized, like it's just not these four to ten acts that they want to shove down our throats.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm seeing like
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[SPEAKER_04]: just a wave of musicians that are highly creative, or at least I hope they are, and it's not that AI, I can't really tell the difference yet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm seeing just the volume of Ruth's music, it has grown exponentially, which I think is a plus, because the more we get, the more we can absorb, the more we can enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So just the volume itself is taking me a back, but I'm very happy to see it.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think, so the thing that I find interesting, like, okay, so like in my corner of the world, I do see country music is we're in a ten year cycle.
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[SPEAKER_07]: We always are, right?
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[SPEAKER_07]: And so every ten years, country music goes back to being traditional.
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[SPEAKER_07]: We go, you know, there's like, wait, you know, like after like the, like, let's take it back to high school after Shania Twain and Faith Hill.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And we had this big moment at Leanne Rimes and just all the things happened in the early, the late nineties early odds.
20:37
[SPEAKER_07]: We had a swing back to tradition.
20:41
[SPEAKER_07]: And that actually was happening when I first put out country girl.
20:45
[SPEAKER_07]: And so I remember people being like, this is just very, this is just doesn't sound like the other songs on the radio and that sort of thing.
20:51
[SPEAKER_07]: Whereas now you listen to my first record and I was like, this is this is country.
20:57
[SPEAKER_07]: But at the time, you know, everybody's getting on me about it being a very pop.
21:01
[SPEAKER_07]: So again, everything is very cyclical, right?
21:04
[SPEAKER_07]: So even though we're back in this very traditional thing where they don't wear the baseball caps, they're wearing cowboy hats now, in black artists in particular.
21:16
[SPEAKER_07]: I am seeing this creation of we used to call it Southern Soul when we were kids.
21:22
[SPEAKER_07]: Some people call it Southern Blues, which what is Southern Blues, what is Southern Soul, but country music, sung with the lot of soul.
21:31
[SPEAKER_07]: And so with the song boots on the ground, even though people say that they're tired of it,
21:37
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a very specific thing that people are speaking to and you're starting to see because of the trail rides, which have been going on for years.
21:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
21:45
[SPEAKER_07]: But now have all this attention because of, you know, the Yeehaw agenda and the Cowway Carter and all that kind of stuff, you're seeing this subgenre.
21:56
[SPEAKER_07]: come to prominence.
21:58
[SPEAKER_07]: And I get a lot of submissions now from these artists that are doing line dances and that are doing the Southern Soul kind of thing.
22:06
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, he's cool.
22:07
[SPEAKER_07]: I love it.
22:09
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I love when we adapt things.
22:12
[SPEAKER_07]: I love watching the innovation and I also think
22:16
[SPEAKER_07]: that when a genre tells you over and over again, or not a genre, an industry tells you over and over again that you are not valued and that there is not a place for you.
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[SPEAKER_07]: then you either go away or you create something else.
22:32
[SPEAKER_07]: And this to me is what I'm seeing.
22:34
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm seeing a table being built over here for this other thing and it's really nice.
22:40
[SPEAKER_07]: And so I'm with it.
22:41
[SPEAKER_07]: Where do fans add indeed?
22:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel the same way.
22:45
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel the same way as far as things being genre specific.
22:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's a lot of offspring that's going in different directions to build a new
22:56
[SPEAKER_04]: and more of that is happening.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm actually taking part in it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love the fact that I'm branching out of traditional country or even pop country or whatever people want to call it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And just doing different things and expanding myself more than in genre.
23:16
[SPEAKER_04]: So I like to see it too.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's beautiful.
23:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was just think I wanted to like briefly
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I think talk about the cultivation of a black audience for country music, which I feel like this, the last time we spoke, I feel like is one of the things that was sort of on my mind where a lot of these conversations around black power and us getting our seat at the table.
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of the music industry, we talk about the industry side of it and the artists and the workers, which is important, right?
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because we have to see ourselves in who's being presented.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's also such a shift that's happening.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel where, like,
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: people are taking black audiences more seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's not just like if you're black and you want to play country music, you have to play for these white people.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's very exciting to see our people get more into it because I do think that when black audiences get a hold of something, the taste level goes up.
24:15
[SPEAKER_01]: and out.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, country music is about to get probably good again, because we are at the line dance.
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I'm saying?
24:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when Tanner Adele said, like, about to steal your man in a torn up t-shirt.
24:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hmm, this ain't the Hamptons.
24:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We all got Trump stamps.
24:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
24:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different type of girl that is getting marketed to, I think.
24:37
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, she Tanner is interesting to me.
24:40
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, she's one of my favorites.
24:42
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm gonna be honest with you.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's great.
24:45
[SPEAKER_07]: I like her because she is not afraid.
24:48
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, this child went out on stage in parapetionates and panties in a brawl.
24:52
[SPEAKER_07]: and like some construction paper.
24:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, ma'am.
24:54
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, she played Lullipouluse.
24:57
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not lying.
24:58
[SPEAKER_07]: Like this is an outfit.
24:58
[SPEAKER_07]: You can go to Instagram for the people in the audience that don't know what I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Go to go look at Lullipouluse.
25:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Google, Tanner Adele, Tanner Adele, all of the Lullipouluse.
25:06
[SPEAKER_07]: Let me tell you something.
25:07
[SPEAKER_07]: And my finest.
25:10
[SPEAKER_07]: I've never had at peak greasy.
25:14
[SPEAKER_07]: I never thought that I would, I would have never thought about that.
25:18
[SPEAKER_07]: But I admire the fearlessness that she has.
25:22
[SPEAKER_07]: And she writes like that.
25:23
[SPEAKER_07]: She creates fearlessly.
25:26
[SPEAKER_07]: And there is a girl that she speaks to because again, this is not a person that is unfortunately number one on the country chart at all right now.
25:35
[SPEAKER_07]: But this is a person that puts butts and seats.
25:39
[SPEAKER_07]: This is a person that consistently does well in streaming.
25:44
[SPEAKER_07]: And this is a person that I see people remaking videos to their music.
25:50
[SPEAKER_07]: So like she makes an impact.
25:53
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And it does go to show that like the mainstream is much more accepting of Black women than country music in Americana.
26:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I do think we are gas lit in these roots genres of like, oh, you're just not marketable.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the music's great.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you're so deeply rooted in your soul tradition, whatever the shit is.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's give you a lifetime achievement award for inspiring others.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's often this implication that a black woman won't be a smart investment commercially.
26:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But that really is simply not true.
26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're beloved all over the world.
26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of just a local problem.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I'm saying?
26:33
[SPEAKER_07]: Listen, none of those women are signed.
26:35
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's just talk about that for a second.
26:37
[SPEAKER_07]: All five of the women that are on the Beyonce record, none of them have record deals right now.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for bringing this up because I have been waiting.
26:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And come on, conversations in Nashville are crazy right now.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: How many black women have been either let go, dropped or something just didn't go, not renewed contract, et cetera.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?
27:00
[SPEAKER_07]: One of the best records that came out this year was fruit by Madeleine Awards, hands down, one of the best records.
27:06
[SPEAKER_07]: And they dropped her for that record because they said it was too sad and it wasn't commercial.
27:14
[SPEAKER_07]: I am too, it's beautiful.
27:16
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a fucking masterpiece.
27:18
[SPEAKER_07]: Excuse me, I don't know if you can guess, but it's a masterpiece.
27:22
[SPEAKER_07]: And in holds up against anything else that's out right now, but that's not what they're trying to invest in.
27:31
[SPEAKER_07]: At least not in us.
27:37
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, I think so the roundabout way of answering your question is as I'm really glad that everybody is doing for themselves.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
27:45
[SPEAKER_07]: That's, that's what makes me happy is to see people do it anyway.
27:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I've been on the do it anyway train since I started.
27:54
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, girl, me too.
27:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it anyway train is getting me what I wanted personally for myself is to share the music with the people.
28:03
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, how I get to do that is I'm on a nonprofit label.
28:07
[SPEAKER_04]: We raise money to make the records and the artist gets fifty percent of everything.
28:14
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a whole other model that I've been dealing with, but I'm just saying like, I don't look to the majors for my booed
28:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't look to them for my food.
28:25
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't look to them to feed me new artists.
28:27
[SPEAKER_04]: I look online now.
28:29
[SPEAKER_04]: I look on social media.
28:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I talk to people like Reese.
28:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be like, girls, who's new right now?
28:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Who should I go?
28:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I hit up my son and be like, keep me on point.
28:37
[SPEAKER_04]: So I can know what's hot and he helps me.
28:41
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm looking to other humans who are not in the quote unquote industry for what's good.
28:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And nine times out of ten, I agree.
28:53
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, the people are my source.
28:55
[SPEAKER_04]: And so until the record industry understands that the people are the source, we're gonna remain in this position because they are not the source anymore.
29:04
[SPEAKER_04]: They're old, they're tired, they're sticking with the same game plan and the game has changed.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, powerful words!
29:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the long and the steel.
29:25
[SPEAKER_05]: As the world rushes back I wonder where it's going Now wonder why Why do we struggle?
29:50
[SPEAKER_05]: Or when hurry?
29:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Can't the world we can't sense?
30:01
[SPEAKER_05]: We find no comfort, chasing the wind, and we find no risk.
30:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Brain comes rolling, like a blessing from the wild.
30:24
[SPEAKER_05]: I can feel it falling down on me Well me When my soul is all the time And I want to leave this world
30:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Just one thing I need to find Oh, I've gotta find I gotta find my piece of mind Oh, I need find my piece of mind
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so encouraging to hear professionals with such deep experience as you speak so hopefully about this moment that we're in in culture.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, how's the road been for both of you this year?
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: How's touring going?
31:39
[SPEAKER_07]: Nicolas, let you go first.
31:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, touring is going well for my festival season, but I did something different this year.
31:46
[SPEAKER_04]: I just toured the West Coast.
31:49
[SPEAKER_04]: And I had always toured the East Coast.
31:52
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'd always been like going traveling across country.
31:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And but I found I didn't have to do that this year.
31:59
[SPEAKER_04]: And I got exposed to a whole different set of people.
32:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Then they were just like, who are you?
32:07
[SPEAKER_04]: We didn't know about you.
32:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Where were you?
32:09
[SPEAKER_04]: I've like, I've been here for twenty some years.
32:12
[SPEAKER_04]: And the record, I told my audience, the record industry doesn't want you to know about me, but nice to meet you.
32:17
[SPEAKER_04]: And I hope to be back.
32:19
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and so I think I've noticed that festivals have gotten lighter.
32:24
[SPEAKER_04]: This year, attendees, people are using their discretionary funds in a different way because politics has all clutching our pearls and our pearls.
32:34
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I just seen a shift as far as just there's more black people at the shows, more people of color at the festivals, but the volume of people has.
32:46
[SPEAKER_04]: gone down a bit, I would say.
32:49
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's because of the state of the country.
32:53
[SPEAKER_04]: People don't know what to do now.
32:55
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're being cautious as they should be.
32:58
[SPEAKER_04]: As I'm being cautious, like maybe I shouldn't travel all to the East Coast and do all these gigs over there when I can sustain myself with the West Coast, which is where I live and make a living.
33:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'd say because of that shift, I've had a good experience.
33:14
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, touring for me this year has been... I echo a lot of the sentiment of Mikko.
33:22
[SPEAKER_07]: I have noticed there are more black people in the audience, which is really nice.
33:29
[SPEAKER_07]: I am...
33:31
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think that's probably it.
33:33
[SPEAKER_07]: And then I think, too, I am noticing, I said, no, a lot more this year than I normally do.
33:42
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, I work a lot.
33:43
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, let's not pretend like, oh, Reece, it was a light year.
33:46
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, no, I do work a lot.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: No one was thinking that.
33:49
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, because my kids like to eat and play sports, so things have to get paid for.
33:57
[SPEAKER_07]: I said no, a lot, and that was nice.
33:59
[SPEAKER_07]: So like the shows that I got to do, they were fun.
34:02
[SPEAKER_07]: Like we actually, we had a really good time.
34:04
[SPEAKER_07]: And like, I toured.
34:05
[SPEAKER_07]: That's what I was like, why can't I remember which, because I went on a tour this year.
34:10
[SPEAKER_07]: I did a tour that Mikko did last year.
34:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
34:13
[SPEAKER_07]: Copy and paste.
34:14
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
34:15
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I copied and pasted Mikko and I took Mikko's spot and it was funny.
34:19
[SPEAKER_07]: In some of the places, they just read Mikko's bio and I was like, yeah.
34:24
[SPEAKER_04]: They did not.
34:25
[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, who's going to tell them that it, uh, I'm not Mikko marks.
34:30
[SPEAKER_07]: But um, so I walked out and I was like, hi, I'm the artist formerly known as Mikko marks, Reece Palmer nice to meet you all.
34:37
[SPEAKER_07]: I did.
34:37
[SPEAKER_07]: I did do that one day.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like what else can you do?
34:41
[SPEAKER_07]: Like it was just we just left.
34:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You're up there.
34:44
[SPEAKER_07]: I know, but I had a ball and it was all female band.
34:47
[SPEAKER_07]: And so that was fun.
34:49
[SPEAKER_07]: I think that was kind of revelatory for me at the beginning of the year.
34:52
[SPEAKER_07]: So that was great.
34:53
[SPEAKER_07]: I love that tour.
34:53
[SPEAKER_07]: That was phenomenal.
34:55
[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, I've gotten to do some...
35:00
[SPEAKER_07]: career affirming things this year, but did not work quite as much as I normally do, but like I worked smarter and it was fun.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's call this next round of questions, career coaching corner.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a new segment here on Basic Folk, the CCC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's correct.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Our first question comes from my friend Lizzie, who is a talented and beautiful young black musician.
35:29
[SPEAKER_00]: She has experienced career highs and career lows, but she wants to keep going.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Oftentimes I'll hear my friend Lizzy talk to me about possibly not doing music anymore.
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Recy and Miko, how do you navigate the highs and lows of this industry while maintaining integrity and dignity in your work?
35:49
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so first of all, Lizzy, no, I will fight you.
35:53
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, come to your house.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna quit.
35:56
[SPEAKER_07]: And a fight you.
36:00
[SPEAKER_07]: I already told Kishan I was gonna whip her too.
36:03
[SPEAKER_07]: So like, I will, I will fight you.
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, heard.
36:07
[SPEAKER_07]: Next, next sentence.
36:08
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, I, how do I do that?
36:13
[SPEAKER_07]: That's a great question.
36:14
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, it's one of those day-by-day things.
36:19
[SPEAKER_07]: You have to take them, you have to take this business as it comes.
36:24
[SPEAKER_07]: And as long as you are, like one of the things that I love about you Lizzie, I'm going to relate it back to you, but one of the things that I love about you is that you stand on business and you are
36:35
[SPEAKER_07]: It is what it is.
36:39
[SPEAKER_07]: And you don't seem, you're not, I don't see you compromising in that way in terms of your ethics and your morals and your values.
36:48
[SPEAKER_07]: And that can be a really lonely thing.
36:50
[SPEAKER_07]: That can be a costly thing in this business because so much of this is people pleasing.
36:56
[SPEAKER_07]: and being politically correct, and that sort of thing.
36:58
[SPEAKER_07]: And so like, I don't know, for me, I just always look at it like literally gig by gig.
37:04
[SPEAKER_07]: What am I about to go out here and do?
37:06
[SPEAKER_07]: What do they want me to do?
37:08
[SPEAKER_07]: How much they gonna give me to do it?
37:12
[SPEAKER_07]: And then after that, it's just like, is this worth my time?
37:18
[SPEAKER_07]: Like is this worthy of my time?
37:19
[SPEAKER_07]: And like, I realized that that's a very privileged position to be in, to be able to say that.
37:26
[SPEAKER_07]: But when you do get to that point, so I don't regret anybody that's just trying to make ends meet, like you're just trying to make ends meet and I get it.
37:34
[SPEAKER_07]: But if you are in a position where you can say yes or no, like it's one of those things, like just bring it to me to tell me the information.
37:40
[SPEAKER_07]: And then if God, it, something else, the universe, God, whatever it is that you believe in, it'll come back.
37:49
[SPEAKER_07]: It'll come back to you in other ways.
37:51
[SPEAKER_07]: So just stick to your feed.
37:55
[SPEAKER_07]: Feed the universe.
37:57
[SPEAKER_07]: What you want and it'll it'll it'll it'll spit it back out.
38:00
[SPEAKER_07]: That sounds really gross, but it'll bring it back to you.
38:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say that Lizzy.
38:11
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say you are one of the ones, one of the small little crew that I see as the torch, like the torch people.
38:20
[SPEAKER_04]: See, I'm always talking about sailing off into the sunset.
38:24
[SPEAKER_07]: Always stop it.
38:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Turn around.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do, but I look at people like you, artists like yourself, and I'm like, oh, she got the torch.
38:32
[SPEAKER_04]: She's going to carry you.
38:33
[SPEAKER_04]: So the fact that
38:36
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking at things that way.
38:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me know, like, I'm too a point where I feel like my work is here.
38:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's done.
38:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I say all that to say, I'm still want to be like working with younger artists.
38:50
[SPEAKER_04]: I still want to hold the hands of the newcomer and help them in many ways I can.
38:55
[SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like, y'all got it?
38:57
[SPEAKER_04]: People like you, Lizzie, are holding, you got boots on the ground, you're speaking your truth, and you're elevating the game.
39:06
[SPEAKER_04]: At some point, you got to pass the ball.
39:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I'm ready to pass this ball to the next generation to the people that are coming up because I think that everything has elevated to a level to where I want to play no more.
39:20
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to go to the bench and I want to just be a cheerleader.
39:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm getting very close to that.
39:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Now without I'm going to release a couple more projects, but then
39:30
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to be in my four or one cake, I'm going to be like, hey, we're going to see y'all.
39:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I love going to biscuits and vangios and not being a participant.
39:39
[SPEAKER_04]: I love going to support the black, led festival by Reanna Giddens and watch the recie perform.
39:49
[SPEAKER_04]: I love being a fan.
39:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm starting to enjoy more, I still love performing, but I'm starting to enjoy artist's purposefully.
39:59
[SPEAKER_04]: going to support.
40:00
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's been like, that's starting to get higher on the scale for me as opposed to just being a performer and doing it.
40:09
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm starting to be like, who cannot go see?
40:11
[SPEAKER_04]: Who cannot go watch?
40:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Who's coming to town?
40:13
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm moving into.
40:15
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do feel like artists like yourself live the end.
40:19
[SPEAKER_04]: The young ones coming up.
40:21
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm ready to see all that you guys have to offer.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you both so much.
40:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to lie down, maybe.
40:28
[SPEAKER_07]: And I will fight you.
40:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But wait, Risi, how is your biscuits and benjos?
40:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to us about it.
40:33
[SPEAKER_07]: It was graves busy.
40:35
[SPEAKER_07]: It was, it was crazy busy.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The FOMO I experienced was terrible.
40:40
[SPEAKER_07]: It was, oh yeah, okay, so look here.
40:42
[SPEAKER_07]: Next time you got to come crash at Risi Palmer's boarding house for wayward girls.
40:48
[SPEAKER_07]: because that's what it was.
40:50
[SPEAKER_07]: Biko was there.
40:52
[SPEAKER_07]: Brandy was there for a little bit.
40:55
[SPEAKER_07]: Holly G was there.
40:56
[SPEAKER_07]: Like we did, we ran a little boarding house for the wayward girls.
41:00
[SPEAKER_07]: And we laughed so much.
41:03
[SPEAKER_07]: It just, it was like, you know what it was, Lizzie, for real?
41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Some funny minds in there.
41:09
[SPEAKER_07]: You walked down the street of Durham and every few steps you ran into someone that you either had on the show or that you've seen from far away.
41:22
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's just like, oh my God, I love what you do.
41:24
[SPEAKER_07]: I love what you do.
41:25
[SPEAKER_07]: And it was like, it was like homecoming.
41:29
[SPEAKER_07]: It was so nice.
41:30
[SPEAKER_07]: Like I really did.
41:31
[SPEAKER_07]: I was exhausted by the time it was over.
41:34
[SPEAKER_07]: and all people doubt, but it was, it was worth getting there.
41:39
[SPEAKER_07]: It was worth running the battery low because it was just so nice to see everybody together and smiling and not feel weird and like all that.
41:50
[SPEAKER_07]: It was just, it was great.
41:51
[SPEAKER_07]: It was wonderful.
41:52
[SPEAKER_04]: that you can have a good time out loud.
41:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I did.
41:56
[SPEAKER_04]: I had a really good time out loud because I was full on.
42:00
[SPEAKER_04]: I was full on non-participatory.
42:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, yes, yes, who are we going?
42:05
[SPEAKER_04]: Where are we going?
42:05
[SPEAKER_04]: What's going on?
42:06
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was just in full enjoyment of just being, just being there and being at the first one and receiving the first one.
42:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I was in full assist a girlfriend mode the whole time.
42:19
[SPEAKER_07]: It was great.
42:21
[SPEAKER_07]: It was, it was great.
42:22
[SPEAKER_07]: She did a big one with that festival.
42:26
[SPEAKER_07]: She really did.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: She shook the, shook the earth a little bit.
42:29
[SPEAKER_07]: She did.
42:30
[SPEAKER_07]: She shook the table.
42:31
[SPEAKER_07]: She shook the table.
42:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Slight detour back to career corner.
42:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually received a submission from my friend Cindy, who is a radio host.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was wondering, Reecy, as a host, how did you develop your honor persona?
42:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And how do you keep yourself sounding natural, friendly, and casual?
42:51
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, because I literally approach all of these like conversations.
42:56
[SPEAKER_07]: I have a list of points that I want to hit, but I don't necessarily, I try to slip them into the natural conversation.
43:07
[SPEAKER_07]: because I think that's what people want from me.
43:10
[SPEAKER_07]: Like some people are really great at questions and, you know, Terry, the gaterry grosses of the world and the barber Walters and like that sort of thing.
43:20
[SPEAKER_07]: But like, that's not really why people like me, I don't think, is because of like my inquisitive nature.
43:26
[SPEAKER_07]: I think it's more so like, I think it's more so like the conversation and like the funny and like the girl, what now what happened?
43:36
[SPEAKER_07]: Because I will always catch up on like, no, you said, what the who now?
43:40
[SPEAKER_07]: And like that kind of thing.
43:41
[SPEAKER_07]: Girl, you said your hair was gonna fall out and like, so like, let's go back and talk about that or something like that.
43:46
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, and I read about the people, I get my talking points and I know what's happening.
43:52
[SPEAKER_07]: I do listen to the music so I can speak and authoritatively about it.
43:56
[SPEAKER_07]: But then when we sit down, if we veer into a conversation, like for example, I had Kirby.
44:02
[SPEAKER_07]: Love Kirby.
44:04
[SPEAKER_07]: I had her on the show.
44:05
[SPEAKER_07]: She has a monster.
44:07
[SPEAKER_07]: She is about to drop on the world.
44:09
[SPEAKER_07]: By the way, with her new album, Ms.
44:10
[SPEAKER_07]: Black America, good Lord of Mercy.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready.
44:14
[SPEAKER_07]: There has not been a funk album.
44:16
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think in a really long time, but like, she did it.
44:19
[SPEAKER_07]: It is the funkiest, most country American Iish that I've heard in a really long time.
44:25
[SPEAKER_07]: But anyway,
44:27
[SPEAKER_07]: love to her we talked about a lot of her stuff and there's a lot of really interesting things in her bio but the thing that we ended up going off on a tangent on and that thing that we'll probably use the bulk of that conversation is we talked about how kids no longer have cringe like because of the cringe culture that we've created kids don't take chances anymore
44:45
[SPEAKER_07]: And so we went off on a tangent on that.
44:47
[SPEAKER_07]: I had just read this article this morning and something she said sparked and so I was like, girl, what you think about this?
44:53
[SPEAKER_07]: And then we went in and it was great.
44:55
[SPEAKER_07]: So like my a lot of my interviews end up like that.
44:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I find your
45:01
[SPEAKER_00]: you're like delivery in your style of interviewing, like so terrifying.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I have everything written down in front of me and like just to even think about like, oh, I have all my talking points and I just like have this conversation.
45:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, how do you do that?
45:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so scary.
45:18
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I get that.
45:20
[SPEAKER_07]: Like I know, and it's honestly, and sometimes like it's always the reverse for me because I'm just like, I'm not prepared enough.
45:27
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
45:29
[SPEAKER_07]: And so, like, we really are flying by the seat of my pads right now because... And so, sometimes it turns out really well, like, some people you can do that with.
45:39
[SPEAKER_07]: And so, I will say this, the downside of my style is this only works if you are also talking to a yapper.
45:46
[SPEAKER_07]: Because if you are not baby, baby,
45:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Back to the notes.
45:53
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like okay, so then in nineteen sixty eight you did such okay great let's talk about that.
45:59
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna disagree with greasy because I've seen her in action.
46:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna disagree with her.
46:06
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
46:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Pull on full stop like yes, she's natural and she's just not putting but no there's a smart mind working in there that's downloading all this information categorizing it organizing and it just comes off as if
46:23
[SPEAKER_04]: that this is easy and we just talk it.
46:25
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but no.
46:26
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all this intellect and smart humor and everything built in that she thinks it's not just no.
46:35
[SPEAKER_04]: You have, you have always been on top of the game.
46:39
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm always like, Risi, what do you think we should do?
46:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Risi.
46:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Because she's a great performer.
46:45
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a great performer, but also very highly intelligent and it just seems natural, but it's not.
46:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody cannot do what you do.
46:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody cannot do what you do.
46:56
[SPEAKER_04]: So I want to say that.
46:57
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I love you.
46:59
[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you for that.
47:00
[SPEAKER_07]: That means a lot.
47:01
[SPEAKER_07]: I appreciate that.
47:02
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, the nerd had to go somewhere.
47:06
[SPEAKER_07]: So it is, this is where she goes.
47:10
[SPEAKER_07]: So we see you.
47:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Another project you were both involved in was the My Black Country Songs of Alice Randall compilation.
47:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So Alice is a very influential fiction writer and country music songwriter.
47:32
[SPEAKER_01]: The computer Alice's songs recorded by Black female artists, which is a huge accomplishment in itself.
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And Alice said that she had not heard her song to quote her.
47:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The songs that I wrote from the perspective of a black woman recorded by a black woman.
47:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you each tell us which song you recorded and like
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What that experience was like for you to re-approach that material.
47:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I have the information if you want me to say the title.
48:04
[SPEAKER_07]: You don't, you forgot the name of your song, me go.
48:06
[SPEAKER_01]: This is staying in.
48:09
[SPEAKER_01]: We're keeping it in.
48:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Mikko, you've recorded all cry for yours.
48:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Will you cry for mine?
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
48:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I enjoy working with Alice because Alice is hands off.
48:20
[SPEAKER_04]: She kind of lets you do what you're going to do.
48:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And if she doesn't like it, she's going to tell you.
48:26
[SPEAKER_04]: Or if she thinks you should go in another direction, she's going to tell you.
48:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I am happy to say she didn't tell me anything.
48:33
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm grateful for that.
48:35
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm very happy that she was pleased, but that's song, it was heavy.
48:40
[SPEAKER_04]: So when I was given, I'll cry for yours.
48:44
[SPEAKER_04]: I put myself in the position of that mom because I have a only son.
48:49
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it was really easy for me to go to that place because I could relate to losing my son and maybe sharing that with another woman, maybe
48:59
[SPEAKER_04]: a not, you know, like a not, you know, not a person of color, but having like a general line between just just being able to connect on the lost with a white woman.
49:11
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it made me look at that and Alice has done so much more for me than like I have an
49:20
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you call that?
49:21
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a display at Vanderbilt because of Alice Randall.
49:25
[SPEAKER_04]: All my artifacts from the beginning of my career are over there because she helped to make that happen.
49:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And then to be on this record with all these women, REC, Rianna, Giddens, I mean, come.
49:38
[SPEAKER_04]: It was just like fascinating.
49:41
[SPEAKER_04]: But also it was just like, look at us.
49:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there are enough of us to where we made this project.
49:48
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's still even more.
49:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And more to come, I just feel like everything is growing in a positive way.
49:54
[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe not the way the record industry wants to see it grow.
49:57
[SPEAKER_04]: But it is.
49:58
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's growing in a deep, lasting historic way.
50:03
[SPEAKER_07]: So I did, I did, who's minding the garden?
50:08
[SPEAKER_07]: And that was a remake of Glen Campbell, actually.
50:16
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm not going to lie to you.
50:18
[SPEAKER_07]: I think my song was the hardest.
50:21
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm going to tell you why because if you heard the original version of that song, you would understand.
50:30
[SPEAKER_07]: My version sounds nothing like the original.
50:33
[SPEAKER_07]: It was very nineties, very the boys of summer.
50:39
[SPEAKER_07]: kind of vibe the way that it sounded.
50:41
[SPEAKER_07]: And so at first when I listened to it, I was like, what am I supposed to do with this?
50:45
[SPEAKER_07]: And so I sat for a weekend and just listened to it.
50:49
[SPEAKER_07]: And I was just like, you know, I'd be cool if it was kind of slowed down and just like, acoustic.
50:54
[SPEAKER_07]: And that kind of thing.
50:54
[SPEAKER_07]: So I started playing with it.
50:56
[SPEAKER_07]: I sent the just a work tape of me playing it to the producer, Ebony Smith.
51:04
[SPEAKER_07]: And Ebony and her infinite wisdom hurt it and got a vibe and produced what you now hear as that record.
51:15
[SPEAKER_07]: And it turned out really well, I think.
51:17
[SPEAKER_07]: And she took my ideas into consideration and added her own.
51:22
[SPEAKER_07]: And my band is playing on that record.
51:26
[SPEAKER_07]: So that was really cool.
51:27
[SPEAKER_07]: The guys got in on that as well.
51:30
[SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, and we knocked it out.
51:33
[SPEAKER_07]: And it was funny because I thought I was only singing a scratch.
51:36
[SPEAKER_07]: And they ended up using that as the final vocals.
51:39
[SPEAKER_07]: So that was that literally I was like, I was waiting for everybody to call me back.
51:44
[SPEAKER_07]: So we could re-record it because that wasn't I wasn't.
51:48
[SPEAKER_07]: So that I think out of everything on that record, I'm disappointed in my vocal performance because I thought that I was going to get a chance to sing it again.
51:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa.
51:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't sound like a scratch.
51:58
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I appreciate that.
51:59
[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
52:01
[SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, no, I wasn't.
52:02
[SPEAKER_07]: I just was like, yeah, I can go back and fix that or I can fix that or I can do that again.
52:06
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, you can't.
52:07
[SPEAKER_07]: Alice, I mean, I reiterate the same way that Miko did.
52:10
[SPEAKER_07]: Alice has done a lot for me personally that she doesn't ever talk about, but I talk about she got Vanderbilt to take in my artifacts as well.
52:23
[SPEAKER_07]: And she's, you know, she's just been anytime.
52:27
[SPEAKER_07]: She gets an opportunity and there's something in there that she can share.
52:31
[SPEAKER_07]: She does.
52:32
[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, I'm just really grateful to her.
52:36
[SPEAKER_07]: And she's a great example of what I try to do with my own career for people that are coming up around me is just to make sure that we save space for each other and take care of each other.
52:47
[SPEAKER_07]: Like there's all kinds of cronyism and nepotism happening in this business on a regular basis.
52:53
[SPEAKER_07]: So why not?
52:54
[SPEAKER_07]: Do it for others if you can.
52:56
[SPEAKER_04]: And you really do both of you.
52:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, not so much me.
53:01
[SPEAKER_07]: What ever girl.
53:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I do it.
53:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I do it from the sidelines.
53:05
[SPEAKER_04]: She's out public with Columbia country doing it.
53:07
[SPEAKER_01]: She's oh, how many festival stages have I seen you on?
53:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I have seen you from like twenty feet above multiple times in the past couple of years.
53:16
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?
53:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a star.
53:19
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I wasn't saying that I was just saying that her intention around helping other artists.
53:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
53:26
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like
53:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Tams at thousand.
53:29
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I might say a couple of words to you and be like, keep going girl.
53:32
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's.
53:34
[SPEAKER_07]: We need it.
53:35
[SPEAKER_07]: But that's a contribution because me go think about it.
53:38
[SPEAKER_07]: Who did?
53:39
[SPEAKER_07]: Who was around to do that for us?
53:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, nobody.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know how many times I play a show or a festival?
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, I'm the only black girl there.
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And then every once in a while, I show up to a gig.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is like one of my friends who's also my hero.
53:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you kidding me?
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's life affirming.
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the exact same thing being you're doing your part in the little change.
54:03
[SPEAKER_07]: It is.
54:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I go to people's shows like Julie Williams came out here for something and I just went and bought my ticket and went and talked to her after the show because I like I like to not just do my thing.
54:19
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really about how can I support as far as being there and
54:25
[SPEAKER_04]: and being a part of.
54:27
[SPEAKER_04]: So even when you came out here, Lizzie, I tried to go to your show, but something was wrong with my
54:33
[SPEAKER_04]: brain, and so I had the wrong day.
54:36
[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm very intentional about that kind of stuff.
54:39
[SPEAKER_04]: Reese's like, you do want to be on my show.
54:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Come and be on my show.
54:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me interview.
54:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me talk to let me let the world know about you.
54:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Even like with the long road, she's taking all these artists over the London.
54:51
[SPEAKER_04]: I went with her first group.
54:53
[SPEAKER_04]: And what are you in?
54:54
[SPEAKER_04]: You're for now.
54:56
[SPEAKER_07]: Where are you for?
54:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
54:57
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
54:57
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, look at that.
54:59
[SPEAKER_04]: That's like real raising money to get you.
55:03
[SPEAKER_04]: over there, which I think is a beautiful thing like I will come to your show, but I'm not going to take you to London.
55:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious to hear what you guys, what experiences each of you has had with being over in the UK and like for members of our audience who like maybe haven't been over there, what's different at like
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: a country or roots showcase or show.
55:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's the culture like versus over here?
55:33
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it's very, it's respectful.
55:36
[SPEAKER_07]: They take in music.
55:37
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like way more respectfully than we do here in the States.
55:41
[SPEAKER_07]: And I think it's totally culture.
55:43
[SPEAKER_07]: It's absolutely culture.
55:45
[SPEAKER_07]: Because like, you know, in the United States at country festivals, although it's been a very long time since I've been in an exclusive country festival.
55:54
[SPEAKER_07]: But when I was, it was just like falling down drunk.
55:59
[SPEAKER_07]: Kind of, there are some cultural markers that I think we need to probably leave in the past, if we can.
56:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
56:07
[SPEAKER_07]: Like the just dizzying, blindingly drunk out somewhere, just yelling and, like, all that kind of stuff.
56:15
[SPEAKER_01]: But how are you supposed to listen to Morgan Wallen?
56:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Silver.
56:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Silver is still coherent.
56:21
[SPEAKER_07]: How else are you going to get by?
56:22
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, true.
56:23
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if he can't stay sober, then I don't know any way.
56:27
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, that is probably the most that I have said directly about that man since twenty to twenty.
56:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and now he's not worthy of your time to quote your career advice earlier.
56:37
[SPEAKER_07]: Girl.
56:40
[SPEAKER_07]: Girl.
56:40
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
56:41
[SPEAKER_07]: Who?
56:41
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know her.
56:42
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know him.
56:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to this man.
56:45
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry to this man.
56:46
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry to this man.
56:49
[SPEAKER_07]: but they listen.
56:51
[SPEAKER_07]: Like I think the first year that we did long road and we had all the artists and everybody was doing quiet.
56:58
[SPEAKER_07]: I got scared because I was so excited.
57:01
[SPEAKER_07]: And no, they're listening to the words that are coming out of your mouth and appreciating them.
57:07
[SPEAKER_07]: What a strange concept.
57:09
[SPEAKER_04]: And they can approach you and tell you about your song, what part of it resonated with them and why it meant so much to them.
57:19
[SPEAKER_04]: There's this whole next level of connection that I experienced with the listener over there.
57:25
[SPEAKER_04]: There was more intentional
57:28
[SPEAKER_04]: like we see say respect and making themselves vulnerable to your art.
57:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was just, I really appreciated that.
57:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I want more of that.
57:37
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
57:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, shout out.
57:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I've loved playing in the UK over the past year and a half.
57:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it creates a real sense of like possibility for the future because there are open-minded in a different type of a way, not to say one's better than the other, but
57:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that like, especially as Black artists, we live in a tradition of being accepted in a different way overseas.
57:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that can be really life-giving.
58:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it time to do this Cindy impression yet?
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
58:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the time has come.
58:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
58:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn it.
58:22
[SPEAKER_07]: Cindy.
58:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's good to be too hard.
58:25
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like I need to hear you talk more, right?
58:28
[SPEAKER_00]: To catch you.
58:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I've just been quietly respectfully listening waiting for my turn.
58:33
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, no.
58:33
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
58:33
[SPEAKER_07]: I have a, I'm going to ask you a question.
58:35
[SPEAKER_07]: So I can hear you talk a little bit.
58:37
[SPEAKER_07]: Talk to me about the hornets.
58:39
[SPEAKER_07]: Ciao.
58:40
[SPEAKER_07]: I saw your Instagram post.
58:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you a person?
58:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you good?
58:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I still feel like I'm getting stung by Hornets right now actually.
58:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
58:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're we're up in the woods in Maine and there's we've got some woods in the back of our house and there's a very short trail that I've been walking every day for like the last two weeks with my dog in the morning.
59:02
[SPEAKER_00]: and I was walking and the dog all of a sudden like took off in front of me like a fun like I'm gonna go and run and have a good time and she must have like stirred up a ground nest because all of a sudden I feel like I'm being like like
59:20
[SPEAKER_00]: stabbed with poisonous spikes at least like ten times and I could see like I couldn't even you know you don't even see them coming it was like the back of my legs and everything in my middle finger on my left hand and I was like I panicked I I started running but I couldn't get my legs it was like a horror movie
59:44
[SPEAKER_00]: type of situation like my eyes I couldn't get my eyes to like go straight so that like there's lots of trees back there so I had a hard time.
59:52
[SPEAKER_01]: That was earlier today.
59:53
[SPEAKER_00]: That was yeah, that was this morning.
59:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that literally just happened.
59:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
59:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like seven o'clock in the morning and I was just I was like so scared and I was also like I was mostly scared for I thought I was gonna die first of all but I was also like very scared for my dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes because I didn't want her to get so I was like freaking out and she's like kind of like looking at me like what is wrong with you am I in trouble like what is happening and I'm just like oh let's go let's get out of here puddle
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was it was it was so bad, but I'm gonna I've got a big can of like Hornet's Nest spray and I'm gonna go back and find them and kill them and murder them.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Avenge them for your father.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes Cindy that is horrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you'd been stung with that
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's another level.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry to make you relive painful memories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now are you ready to do an impression?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good for processing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's a, if that's a good example of both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you run in the woods?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, respectfully I'm gonna not do an impression of you because of what you've been through today.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh gosh, it was so terrible.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That's, I had no idea to happen today.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Wow, because when I saw it, I was like, oh, I got to ask her about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I asked, I said to my wife, I was like, should we sell this house?
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[SPEAKER_07]: Burn it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_07]: That would have been my reaction, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get them.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, but like in a suit, though, I need you and like a protective has mat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, suit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was wearing, I was wearing a raincoat, but they didn't, they didn't get me in the raincoat, but they got me, I had like, uh, those veori sweatpants on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, right through.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, I need you to burn the entire forest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_07]: This is fine.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And when the police ask, sure, you can just tell them, so there are hornets.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You'll be like, so I was walking in the woods and I was attacked by a bunch of hornets.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And is that the impression of me?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You can't see.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it's trying.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I just feel like, but I's not getting there because I didn't want to be like, all right.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And now here's me being Cindy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, yeah, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's wrap up with the lightning round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now ladies, this is a game called Witch One.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lizzie, please explain the rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to say, Cindy and I are going to go back and forth, asking a question that starts with which one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you have, then we'll give you a little three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you'll each simultaneously say which one it applies to, whether it's me go or receive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for example, do you want to do a practice one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, can we see it at the same time?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You say it at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a Lizzie and Cindy practice question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So go ahead Lizzie, ask the question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which one is a better babysitter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Racy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Racy, I don't even really like kids.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I got one.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that was whatever.
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[SPEAKER_07]: My children think you are like Santa Claus.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I do like other people's kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Racy Palmer and Mickey Miko marks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which one is running late?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Racy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which one, Risi Palmer or Amico Marx, is sending the other a bunch of TikToks?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make a easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which one always has the T?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I suspected of which one is napping every chance she gets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mecha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mecha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna say mecha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which one is petting every dog?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mecha.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which one is DJing in the car?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_07]: We see.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Because she's driving.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She won't let me dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched the TikTok about that recently.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She will let me drive.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She is not cool driving.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, we're in the car.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're in a conversation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She has all these theatrics.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And she's like, and then, I'm like, you drive them, hands on the wheel.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are talking, she's like, but wait.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, what I was gonna say was, no.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we gonna say, look at the road.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She's not lying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm not a great driver, but anyway, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got two more, which one is a more convincing liar?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Me, go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that you both believe in yourselves in this area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, which one is up at dawn facing the day with a smile?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Three, two, one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Me go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Early bird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Friends, it's been an honor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If I need it, if I have a late show, there is a nap in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, sleep very serious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love sleeping.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for coming back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're trying fun.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But one day we go have to do this without recording and we go have to just get into it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Kiki.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Kiki ha ha.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode of Basic Folk was produced by Anthony Cabrera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dietrich Strauss composes our music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basic Folk is a production of the Bluegrass situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you enjoyed this episode, maybe you should share it with a friend.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps that friend that you go on road trips with, but you have to be the driver because they start getting really distracted if they start telling a story and it gets out of hand and then they're not really watching the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have made this rule that you are the driver on the road trip.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, send it to that friend and we'll talk to you next time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.