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CHARLIE KIRK SUSPECT'S SICK JOKES, OBSESSED WITH 'FURRIES,' OTHERS IN ON MURDER PLOT? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, suspects sick jokes after the shooting, they claimed
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  Speaker 2: the life of Kirk, and tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Are others in on the murder plot?
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  Speaker 2: Did he have help? Now he's being called a furry freak?
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  Speaker 1: What if anything, did that have to do with motive?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us Breaking news tonight. The
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  Speaker 2: lone shooter, the assassin that gunned down thirty one year
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  Speaker 2: old Charlie Kirk.
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  Speaker 3: We already have a suspect in custody, Tyler Robinson.
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  Speaker 1: A twenty two year old Utah resident.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 5: We got him.
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  Speaker 1: Did he have help? Did he act alone? Again?
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  Speaker 2: Tonight breaking news as we go to air. But for
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  Speaker 2: those of you just joining us, this is what happened.
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  Speaker 3: So do you know how many transgender Americans have fin
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  Speaker 3: mass shooters.
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  Speaker 1: Over the last ten years?
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  Speaker 6: Too many?
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  Speaker 2: Fine?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now bye's long right. I'm gonna give you Gonave
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  Speaker 1: his credit. Do you know how many mass.
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  Speaker 3: Shooters there have been in America over the last ten years?
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  Speaker 6: Accounting or not coming gang violence?
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  Speaker 3: Great chaos on the Utah Valley University campus says thousands
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  Speaker 3: of students and locals run from Kirk's booth screaming. Kirk's
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  Speaker 3: security team rushes into action, putting pressure on Kirk's wound
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  Speaker 3: and escorting him to awaiting SUV to take him to
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  Speaker 3: the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: At this hour, law enforcement remaining mum whether or not
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  Speaker 2: the shooting suspect had help. Were others in on the plot?
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  Speaker 2: Did they help him retrieve the gun, retrieve his vehicle?
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  Speaker 1: What do we know? As we go to air, we
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  Speaker 1: are learning that the.
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  Speaker 2: Kirk shooting suspects is tied to the murder scene through
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  Speaker 2: d N A straight out of City Center. Joining US
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 7: What DNA well on both a screwdriver found on the
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  Speaker 7: roof of the Low Sea Center where he took that shot,
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  Speaker 7: and on the towel where she wrapped the rifle and
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  Speaker 7: left it in the woods, hoping to go back for it.
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  Speaker 2: Later, guys, very very typical that DNA is found, but
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily on the murder weapon.
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  Speaker 1: We are also learning at this hour that this suspect is.
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  Speaker 2: No longer cooperating, not speaking to police. Why now we
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  Speaker 2: learn he is being placed on a quote special watch
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  Speaker 2: we know he told his family he would rather die
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  Speaker 2: than go into custody.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us in.
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  Speaker 2: All Star panel, But first I want to go to
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  Speaker 2: a very special guest joining us, Tianna Lao, a witness
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  Speaker 2: to the Kirk shooting.
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  Speaker 1: Tiana, what happened? What did you witness?
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  Speaker 8: So it was into the second question, and that was
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  Speaker 8: when I heard the gunshot go off.
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  Speaker 9: I was with my friend. We thought it was a crank,
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  Speaker 9: so we immediately.
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  Speaker 8: Looked up to this guy, thinking that maybe there's a wrapper.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't realize the severity of the situation until everyone
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  Speaker 8: started ducking down and screaming to get down.
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  Speaker 1: Where were you exactly in relation to Kirk?
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  Speaker 9: I was a few feet away.
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  Speaker 8: So he has a ground floor and there's three steps
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  Speaker 8: going up, so I was on the third step.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly, Tianna, did you hear? I really heard.
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  Speaker 8: So I heard the gunshot go off, and that was
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  Speaker 8: when I started hearing a bunch of people start crying
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  Speaker 8: and screaming to get down.
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  Speaker 9: I was terrified.
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  Speaker 1: When did you realize you had heard a gunshot?
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  Speaker 9: It was into the second question.
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  Speaker 8: It took me a really long time in process because
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  Speaker 8: it just happened, so suddenly I mean, I didn't even
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  Speaker 8: know that he got shot at that moment until I
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  Speaker 8: started running inside and started hearing people scream.
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  Speaker 1: What did you see?
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  Speaker 2: You hear the gunshot? At first, you don't realize exactly
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  Speaker 2: what it is. That's very common, because I don't think Tianna,
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  Speaker 2: that your mind, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Not expecting to hear a gunshot.
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  Speaker 2: You might think, oh, that was a car backfiring, or
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  Speaker 2: it was a helicopter or something else as fireworks. That's
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  Speaker 2: what people typically think because in their world they're not
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  Speaker 2: used to hearing gunshots ringing out. At the moment you
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  Speaker 2: heard what you now know to be a gunshot, what
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  Speaker 2: did you see he was?
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  Speaker 8: He got shot on his left side and I was
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  Speaker 8: sitting on his right side of him. So I was
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  Speaker 8: really shocked when I heard he got shot because I
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  Speaker 8: personally did not see any thing since it happened so
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  Speaker 8: fast for me. As I was running back into the
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  Speaker 8: BI I kept turning back to see if anything did
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  Speaker 8: happen to him, But I at first didn't.
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  Speaker 9: Even see him fall down once.
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  Speaker 8: I like, after looking up at this guy and then
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  Speaker 8: looking down, I didn't see him fall down or anything immediately.
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  Speaker 8: So when I started running back in and I looked back.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't see anything else.
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  Speaker 1: When you did look back, what was there to say?
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  Speaker 8: It was too much? There was too many crowds. Also,
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  Speaker 8: my vision was hazy because I was crying too much.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, when you think back on how close you were,
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  Speaker 2: if he had missed Kirk, he could have shot someone
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  Speaker 2: in the crowd.
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  Speaker 1: Have you considered that I.
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  Speaker 8: Was actually talking about this to my friend, because the
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  Speaker 8: thing is that if I was sitting a bit closer
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  Speaker 8: to him, I would have been shot along, sorry, along
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  Speaker 8: with my friend who I really care about.
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  Speaker 9: I was worried about that.
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  Speaker 2: What is your take on the hatred that must have
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  Speaker 2: led the shooter to pull the trigger? Just put so
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  Speaker 2: many people, including yourself, in mortal danger? Ever, what because
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  Speaker 2: you don't like what somebody says.
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  Speaker 8: It's just it's unbelievable to me because I have many
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  Speaker 8: friends from a lot of different political backgrounds, and I
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  Speaker 8: would never consider harming absolutely anyone.
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  Speaker 9: Just because of what they believe in.
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  Speaker 8: It's really it's sad to think that there are people
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  Speaker 8: out there that want to harm others that don't have
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  Speaker 8: their same opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a student there, Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 9: I'm currently a junior, right now, what are you studying.
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  Speaker 9: I'm studying marketing.
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  Speaker 1: Gianna.
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  Speaker 2: When you went to the rally, did you feel completely
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  Speaker 2: safe personally?
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, I love my school.
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  Speaker 8: I personally felt really safe being there. Nothing in the
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  Speaker 8: past has ever happened. I personally didn't think that we
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  Speaker 8: needed a lot of security measures until this happened.
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  Speaker 9: So I was really shocked.
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  Speaker 2: Chiana laut joining us, who was there at the time
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  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was gunned down, you stated that everyone began
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  Speaker 2: running once they realized it had been a gunshot that
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  Speaker 2: rang out. What did everyone think had happened? You stated,
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  Speaker 2: I turned back to see if anything happened to Charlie,
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  Speaker 2: and you couldn't tell because he was mobbed. Why did
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  Speaker 2: you think it was about shooting Charlie?
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  Speaker 9: So I, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 8: No one in my robe immediately knew what happened because
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  Speaker 8: there were so many people in the front, So I
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  Speaker 8: didn't know what happened until people started ducking down. I
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  Speaker 8: also didn't truly know if he got shot until I
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  Speaker 8: got into the building and people started calling of families
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  Speaker 8: saying that he got shot in the chest and then
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  Speaker 8: the neck. I was hearing a bunch of misinformation, but
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  Speaker 8: I didn't think that it was anything severe because I
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  Speaker 8: didn't know exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 2: You said that there was a lot of confusion, no
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  Speaker 2: one knew what was happening, and you actually think your
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  Speaker 2: brain kind of blacked out.
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  Speaker 1: Describe that.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I also completely forgot what the person asking the
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  Speaker 8: question was even talking about. Right before the gunshot went off,
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  Speaker 8: I was just thinking all in my head really was
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  Speaker 8: is there going to be a second gunshot go off?
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  Speaker 8: I felt responsible for my friends since I invited her
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  Speaker 8: to this event, so that's really all I was thinking about,
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  Speaker 8: but I was also concerned for the safety of others
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  Speaker 8: on campus.
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  Speaker 1: You took cover in a classroom.
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  Speaker 8: What happened, Yes, it was during that time that we
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  Speaker 8: started going up to the second floor. Started we're going
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  Speaker 8: to any classroom that we could see, because there was
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  Speaker 8: a professor there guiding us. It was in there that
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  Speaker 8: me and my friend started crying our eyes out and
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  Speaker 8: we started just going into this corner because there's a
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  Speaker 8: bunch of other students in there that didn't know what
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  Speaker 8: was going on. They just knew that they were in lockdown,
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  Speaker 8: and that was when a professor started coming in and
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  Speaker 8: comforting us. And telling us that it was okay, that
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  Speaker 8: we're safe because they caught a suspect, and I thought, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: the suspect must be the right person. I felt safe
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  Speaker 8: in that moment, and even though it wasn't the right
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  Speaker 8: suspect in the end, it still provided me comfort until
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  Speaker 8: the moment we left campus.
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  Speaker 2: What went through your mind when you realized the shooter
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  Speaker 2: was still out there, that the old guy that got
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  Speaker 2: out of the front row area was the wrong suspect.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 8: I was in disbelief. I felt very unsafe. I thought,
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  Speaker 8: could this person be I mean it is Paul, that
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  Speaker 8: he could be a student that I have crossed paths with.
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  Speaker 8: You never know who it is, be my neighbor, I was.
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  Speaker 8: I did feel very unsafe throughout the remaining days.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of security was set up when Kurt was speaking.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, so I knew previously because of my friend's job,
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  Speaker 8: that they were going to be about eight bodyguards at
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  Speaker 8: the scene protecting him, and I thought that that would
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  Speaker 8: be enough. But once I started going in, I also
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  Speaker 8: previously signed up to go to this event, and that
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  Speaker 8: was and I was expecting for them to check their tickets,
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  Speaker 8: maybe check our bags, but I just walked in and
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  Speaker 8: they handed me a flyer asking a Hi, there's going
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  Speaker 8: to be an event today.
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  Speaker 9: Do you know about this event? And I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: I am.
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  Speaker 8: I actually signed up, and I was shocked about how
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  Speaker 8: easy it was to get in. No one checked our bags,
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  Speaker 8: there was no other security measures that I could see.
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  Speaker 8: It was reopen before.
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  Speaker 1: The gunshot rang out. What was the atmosphere? What was
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  Speaker 1: the mood in the Crown?
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  Speaker 8: I thought that for the most part it was still
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  Speaker 8: pretty peaceful. There were a few audio issues, so there
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  Speaker 8: were people on around my row that were screaming too
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  Speaker 8: to make the volume higher since we put in here
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  Speaker 8: the person asking the question. But other than that, it
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  Speaker 8: wasn't so bad. I mean, for me, it seemed like
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  Speaker 8: a peaceful debate. Everyone was still for the most part. Cherrie,
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  Speaker 8: there was nothing that I could see.
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  Speaker 2: You said earlier that the atmosphere was very happy and peaceful.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I in my opinion, I know that at these
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  Speaker 8: types of events there's always going to be someone.
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  Speaker 9: Rioting or something like that.
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  Speaker 8: I did see some some students for the LGBTQ community
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  Speaker 8: at the balcony, but even we're very peaceful.
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  Speaker 9: No one else was insulting each other. To me, everything
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  Speaker 9: was fine.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of the aftermath when people are
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  Speaker 2: making jokes about Kurt getting murdered.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, I do get pretty sensitive about this subject because
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  Speaker 8: I do have some friends that have been celebrating about this.
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  Speaker 8: To me, it doesn't matter who it is. I feel
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  Speaker 8: personally connected to this event now because of course.
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  Speaker 9: I was there.
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  Speaker 8: But I don't think that we should be celebrating about
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  Speaker 8: anyone's death.
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  Speaker 9: I understand if.
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  Speaker 8: They do not agree with his views, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 8: matter who it is. My neighbor, maybe someone that I
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  Speaker 8: also do not agree with, but I would not be
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  Speaker 8: celebrating anyone's death. This is a very sensitive time, especially
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  Speaker 8: for those that were traumatized by this.
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  Speaker 2: Event, Gianna, especially in light of the fact that as
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  Speaker 2: close as you were to the front, if he had
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  Speaker 2: been off, or if the wind had blown a different
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  Speaker 2: way with a gust of wind, I mean, anything that
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  Speaker 2: could have been you or your friend. When you're associates,
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  Speaker 2: your colleagues make fun of this, do you just ignore
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  Speaker 2: it or do you confront them?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, when I'm currently not speaking to them right now,
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  Speaker 8: especially when I was really sensitive since I was there,
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  Speaker 8: so I did tell them that it really hurts me
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  Speaker 8: personally because I told them specifically as well, if I
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  Speaker 8: was in that situation, if I was shot, would they
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  Speaker 8: be celebrating about my death?
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  Speaker 9: Because I know that we.
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  Speaker 8: Do not agree on a lot of points, and it
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  Speaker 8: just it really hurt me that they were speaking badly
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  Speaker 8: about him, especially since.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was there. But yeah, I have to say
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  Speaker 9: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Just how does this affect your friend that you invited?
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  Speaker 1: How is how is she? Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: So she is an international student. She was definitely crying
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  Speaker 8: alongside me, a lot more than me because she has
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  Speaker 8: never thought that this would happen at her school. She
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  Speaker 8: came here looking for a better life, and the fact
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  Speaker 8: that this happened to her in a foreign country without
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  Speaker 8: her parents to call it really impacted her greatly.
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  Speaker 9: But fortunately we have each other so we can support
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  Speaker 9: each other.
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  Speaker 2: Question, Gianna, are you seeing a counselor about this? Because
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  Speaker 2: what you're describing is a traumatic response to what you
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  Speaker 2: saw when I became a crime victim. I never saw
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  Speaker 2: it counseling ever, looking back, I should have, but I
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  Speaker 2: think you should consider it.
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  Speaker 8: I know, I'm sorry, I'm currently not, but because I
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  Speaker 8: didn't think that it was going to be this guy
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  Speaker 8: until as far as seeing the videos replay again, so
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  Speaker 8: I think I will freak out.
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  Speaker 9: Some mental health surfaces. So thank you for your concern.
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  Speaker 10: I happened to be watching Charlie. I can't say I
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  Speaker 10: saw blood. I can't say I saw him get shot,
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  Speaker 10: But as soon as that shot went out, he fell
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  Speaker 10: back into his left and everybody hit the deck. Charlie
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  Speaker 10: has some security in front of him, but you got
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  Speaker 10: the sense that the shot came kind of straight at him,
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  Speaker 10: and I don't think there would be many vantage points
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  Speaker 10: too far away because he was under in the auting.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at Fox.
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  Speaker 3: This is a father of two at a little girl,
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  Speaker 3: little boy wife Erica. He was engaging with the audience.
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  Speaker 3: He was throwing hats and other things to the audience,
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  Speaker 3: getting him kind of excited and pumped up before he spoke.
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  Speaker 6: Like him or hate him. He's a media figure. He
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  Speaker 6: is he was magnetic.
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  Speaker 3: This is not the best of us. We've got to
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  Speaker 3: do more to stop this from happening.
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  Speaker 2: Conflicting reports about who tipped off police as to the
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  Speaker 2: identity of Charlie Kirk's shooter.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we know.
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  Speaker 11: Somebody and this happens a lot. It happened with the
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  Speaker 11: crazy Boston bomber, it happened with others. Somebody that recognizes
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  Speaker 11: even a little tilt of the head, which nobody else
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  Speaker 11: would do, and somebody that was very close to him said, Hmm,
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  Speaker 11: that's him.
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  Speaker 3: There is they. Afternoon, Matt Robinson looked at the FBI
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  Speaker 3: photos of Charlie Kirk's a lled shooter. He was shocked
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  Speaker 3: to recognize his son. When he arrives home, Matt Robinson
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  Speaker 3: confronts his and then Tyler Robinson confesses. The father encourages
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  Speaker 3: Robinson to turn himself in, but the twenty two year
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  Speaker 3: old says he would rather kill himself.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Sound from our friends at Fox and Frience straight out
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  Speaker 2: to Joseph Scott, Morgan and joining US Professor forensics jacksonvill
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  Speaker 2: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, death investigator,
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  Speaker 2: and star All Body Bags hit podcast series, Joe Scott,
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  Speaker 2: I like, you would automatically recognize my son even if
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  Speaker 2: he had on sunglasses and a hat, and I imagine
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  Speaker 2: all of his friends would too.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know you're with You're with your child day
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  Speaker 6: in and day out. You see them in different arrays
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  Speaker 6: of clothing, right, eyeglasses, hats, t shirts, jackets, heavy jackets. Well,
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  Speaker 6: I even think that if I saw my son in
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  Speaker 6: a ski mask, I could probably you know arse out
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  Speaker 6: who he was. So yeah, this is not you know,
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  Speaker 6: to us, this guy is a fanom. You know when
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  Speaker 6: you see these images on CCTV. The reality is is
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  Speaker 6: that you go home, those that are most intimate with you,
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  Speaker 6: that know you very well, they're going to recognize you.
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  Speaker 2: We are hearing tonight Joe Scott that DNA deoxyuribo nucleic
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  Speaker 2: acid ties the suspect to Kirk's murder.
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  Speaker 1: When I heard about a towel being wrapped.
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  Speaker 2: Around the weapon or with the weapon, I mean that
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  Speaker 2: is a perfect conduit for DNA. Now, originally you and
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  Speaker 2: I discussed possibility that there was no exit wound, that
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  Speaker 2: the bullet was lodged in the body of Kirk. There's
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  Speaker 2: no good way to discuss this, but the ballistics plus
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  Speaker 2: as to the body having.
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  Speaker 1: The bullet in it would.
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  Speaker 2: Be it could be a direct match to the gun,
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  Speaker 2: which we'll explain in a moment. But first let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about the towel and what that means to the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone this as we were learning there was a.
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  Speaker 2: Hand written note that has been found that was found.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's happened to it.
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  Speaker 2: Seemingly has disappeared, but the note apparently said I've got
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  Speaker 2: an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and he was going.
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  Speaker 1: To do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the opportunity, but right now DNA
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  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Towell.
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  Speaker 1: Explained, Yeah, dig this.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: So if this guy brought the towel with him and
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: he's got this weapon wrapped in it, Hey, Nancy, if
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: we could go back to that shot of the roof
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: where he where we think he was positioned, Guess what
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: he's laying in up there direct sunlight?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Guess what?
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, guess what happens when we're in direct sunlight sweating?
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: This is not you know, there's a high possibility, high
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: probability that the DNA that they're talking about on the
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: towel and a touch DNA. This might be complete strand
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: because it may have transferred from sweat or grease off
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: of his hands.
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: Oil.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: We produce oil on our fingertips. One other little interesting
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: tidbit is that a screwdriver was also found, but yet
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: that was found on the roof. That could be touched.
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: I don't know, it might be sweat. Why would you
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: need a screwdriver? Well, I think that perhaps to make
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: any kind of adjustment or possibly to try to disassemble
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: this weapon.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: To Chris Mundunn and joining US director Coldcuse Foundation, former
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: homicide detective, worked over three hundred homicides and now as
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the star of the interview Room on YouTube. Chris, think
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: about what Morgan just said. He even thought to bring
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: a screwdriver to adjust the shot. For anyone that hasn't
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: had to deal with ballistics, like everyone on this panel
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: basically has had to other than Tiana. When you're taking
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: a let's just call it a sniper shot, a long shot,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you have to take into account, a wind gust you
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: have to take into account, believe it or not, pros
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: take into account, the temperature, you take into account, movement
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: on the part of the target. Long story short, he
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: had the Wherewithal McDonough to bring a screwdriver with him
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: by by mental defect defense, that's not happening. He came
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: prepared explain what he was going to do with that screwdriver.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy, And it does go towards his specific
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: intent to pull the trigger, and that screwdriver is used
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: typically with a scope, and you would put that screwdriver
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: up and you can adjust, you know, for that problem
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: of win velocity, the target moving, etc. So he was
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: very well prepared.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It goes to the intent, the intent to doctor Sue
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Cornbluth joining US veteran analyst, author of Building Self Esteem,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: owner of Doctor Sue, and you, doctor Sue, question to
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: you the intent to do and I mean the guy
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: came on to the hilt with a screwdriver to adjust
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the scope.
• 22:38
  Speaker 12: Yes, Nancy, it does seem that he's had had intent here,
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: that this was premeditated beforehand, that he was planning to
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: do this, and that he had all intentions of going
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: up there and.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Killing Charlie Kirk. This could have been planned and plotted.
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: For a very long time, as we do know, Nancy,
• 23:02
  Speaker 13: that he did have access to firearms, as we have
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: learned throughout the media, for a very long time.
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: So I don't have doubt that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: There was intent to kill and harm here.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Guys, we are learning so much as we go to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: air back to you, Joe Scott Morgan and I want
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to do this very quickly. I don't want to go
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: death come four on ballistics, But you have performed so
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: many death investigations where a bullet is still lodged in
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the victim's body. There's no good way, there's no positive
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: when you're talking about a murder case. However, when you're
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: speaking probatively about what do you need to.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Prove your case?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: To have the actual murder bullet is very helpful because
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: it can be linked back like a fingerprint to that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: particular weapon. That bullet had to be fired from that weapon,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: not just another six like it, but that particular Ought six.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Now I don't want to go into how the test
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: are performed at the crime lab, you know, but I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: want to talk.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: About getting.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Getting that match off a bullet fragment, because the bullet
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: will be deformed after the shooting, most likely going through
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: human tissue.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: If there's an exit wound.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: And it hits the ground or it hits a hard wall,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it will further deform the bullet. How do you get
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a bullet a ballistics match when the bullet is a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: fragment or has been deformed.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: You have to retrieve the most robust portion of that
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: bullet that still remains, and you have to go to
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: great links to do that many times. If that round
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: struck a bony structure within the body, it can deform.
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, it can fragment. If that
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: round hit anything like you mentioned, like a hard surface externally,
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: they would have been sweeping that area with metal detectors
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: out there. So you have to test fire the weapon
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: they have in hand with fresh ammunition and compare it
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: against that round that you compare. The trick is or
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: that they recovered. The trick is do you have enough
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: of that round remaining that you can do a comparative
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: analysis with counting and not kind of gameliness.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, we've got a suspect in custody. The
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: man who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk, twenty two year old
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Utah resident Tyler Robinson. We've got him in custody turning
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: himself in. The alleged shooter is actually twenty two years old.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: He shoots and then he's off the building. Then we
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: see him limping as he's walking through and saying, hey,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I got a video of a guy running into the backyards.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: What more have we learned? As we go to air tonight, listen, he.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Is observed on video in a plane, maroon T shirt,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: like colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and like colored shoes. When encountered in person by investigators
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: in Washington County on September twelfth, in the early morning hours,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with those surveillance images.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: That's for our friends at Fox Sidney Sumner. So he
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: had a wardrobe change.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: Yes, that's what we are hearing. He arrived on campus
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: in different clothing, change into what we see in those
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: surveillance images, then changed back into the other outfit, and
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: that's what he was wearing when he was arrested.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: That's one thing we had discussed immediately after Kirk's shooting
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to venteran trial lawyer Eric Fattus joining US partner Varner
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Fattest Elite legal former felony prosecutor Eric. That just adds
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: onto the state's case for premeditation. He actually had a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: wardrobe change. He thought that much because we didn't understand
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: how he blended in on campus.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: If he's dressed like.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: A ninja all in black with a face covering a hat, sunglasses,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: all in black, from a head net to risk to
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: tow but he didn't blend in that way because he
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: brought a change of clothes.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Now this may not.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Mean anything to a non lawyer, but it means a
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: lot to Me's extremely probative.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He thought it out. He planned it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Out that much that he knew he had to change
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: clothes to blend in.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: What about it?
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Nancy, that's exactly right. So the change of clothes
• 27:45
  Speaker 14: goes to premeditation. It shows that this was done after deliberation.
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: These are all elements of first degree murder. And on
• 27:52
  Speaker 14: top of that, it undercuts any potential mental health defense
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: because in insanity defense, he would have to show that
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: he did I didn't know what he was doing was wrong,
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: but he brought a change of clothes so that he
• 28:03
  Speaker 14: could conceal his identity and get away with it. That
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: shows he didn't know what he was doing, He had
• 28:08
  Speaker 14: a conscious objective, he had the knowledge in terms of
• 28:11
  Speaker 14: his actions, and that's going to be a real prone.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: For well another thing.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Look at it, Chris mcdono, you've combed the same, by
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the way, those shots.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Right there for our friends over at TMZ check it out.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Eight oh seven am. He looks like a college student.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I'm forty nine.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: He's even put.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: On James, so when he kneels down on that gravelly roof,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: it won't hurt his knees. I mean, he really thought
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: this out.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, tell us what you learned at the.
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Same Yes, Nancy, at the scene, you can clearly see
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: where how he got up to the roof number one,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: and then his sniper's nest was a straight shot right
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: at Charlie Kirk. And then when you see these photographs
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: of the surveillance foot is from the neighborhood. He has
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: changed those clothes, so it's an indication that he came early.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: He apparently scoped out the area he was going to go.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: What I could see while standing there, I was up
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: on a perch looking at where he was firing from
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: it was it was an easy shot, to be honest
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: with you. And then when he came off, he ran
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: across the road there and dropped his rifle into the
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: woods and then fled up into that neighborhood.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Those shots right there.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: For our friends over at TMZ when you were on campus,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: what did you observe, well, a couple of things.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: It was it was an easy shot from the location
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: where he had chosen to shoot from. The center courtyard
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: of that campus is a very close area and so
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: you can't get there unless you go up on top
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: of a roof, and the authorities had shut that down,
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: and so he had to have gone and you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: scoped out exactly the area where he was going to go.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: You keep saying it was an easy shot and easy
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: sho many people do not believe two hundred yards is
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: an easy shot McDonough.
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: Well, it's about one hundred and fifty yards approximately from
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: my observation, and it was a straight on shot. You
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: could tell that he if he hit Charlie in the center,
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: mass Ie right here in the center mash relklike fragmented
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: which you know Doc Morgan was talking about, and it
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: hit him in the in the corotid artery and that
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: caused a bleedout almost immediately.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It seems like he planned and plotted so.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Much, but then drove right up in his car, in
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: his vehicle easily traceable Listen.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Investigators reviewed additional video footage from UVU surveillance and identified
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a Great Dodge Challenger
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: at approximately eight twenty nine am on September ten.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Just got more.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Let me throw a technical legal term at you, idiot,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I mean the towel. After all his planning and plotting
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and scheming and gnashing his teeth and twitching his tail
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and joking about Kirk online, idiot drives up and his
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: great Dodge Challenger a muscle car. Surprise, surprise, Did he
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: not hear anything about Brian Coburger and his white Elantra
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that was spotted by everybody and their sister and their
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: long lost cousin. A white Elantra was seen over and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: over at the crime scene, speeding away from the crime scene,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: speeding past the seven to eleven the mcdona and I
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: staked out, caught on video. Did he not hear anything
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: about Brian Coburger.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And then there's the other piece of crap. X Hureman
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: and his vehicle.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Giarman parked his vehicle outside of his home forever everybody.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Knew it was his.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: It was connected to the scene. His vehicle tied him
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: to serial murders. So this guy, the current suspect, he
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: ain't all that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: In a bag of chips? What about it?
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Morgan and listen to this, Just like Huerman, just like Coburger,
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: this vehicle that this person drove this challenger is going
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: to play in. It's going to have evidentiary value. Nancy.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: Think about what you just said a few moments ago.
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: With the planning and everything. He used this vehicle in
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: order to not only transport himself, but probably transport this weapon.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: Any kind of ammo, he had, any kind of tools
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: that he may have used, any kind of prop to
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: support the weapon, changes a clothes, everything, and yet he's
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: leaving these breadcrumbs all the way along. These people are
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: not the smartest in the world. They can kind of
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: figure out the front end and kind of bounce off
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: and get things done, but in the end, it's going
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: to be their actions following the event that we'll always
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: get them caught.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Tonight, we learn that the Kirk murder suspect was obsessed
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: with furries people that for sexual reasons like to pretend
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: they're animals. That's a whole other can of worms. But
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: can we deal with hard evidence, Listen.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired keseeing read notices
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: bulge's capital wo, what's this question?
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: Mark.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read hey fascist exclamation point,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow and symbol,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: oh bellichow bellachow bella chow chow chow. And a third
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: unfired casing read If you read this you are gay LMAO.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Of that from our friends at Fox, and you are
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: hearing the Utah Governor Spencer Cox speaking.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I hardly know where to start. But Sidney Sumner Crime Stories,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: investigative reporter boy from the suburbs, silver spin in his mouth, what.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Mommy and Daddy Steel paying his car note is.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Talking about how he hates fascism. What what does he know
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: about fascism?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: And who the hey gave him a gun to start with?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: But let's just start with the page he took out
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: of Luigimanngioni's notebook. He took the time to engrave the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: bullets take down Mangioni. He makes me sick. Sidney, tell
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: me about the engravings on the bullets.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so each bullet was engraved very similar to Brian
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: Thompson shooting the first one that Governor Cox had a
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: hard time reading out loud. It's a meme. It's like
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: role playing that's commonly used among like furries and wiyaboos.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: Those are it's a term for white people who are
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: very interested in Japanese culture in kind of an odd way.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: And we see this on something.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like wibo is but a furry crosses all socioeconomic boundaries.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: But web, yes, that's an obsession with Japanese culture. But okay,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: you're talking about the engravings, Go ahead, right, Yeah, So.
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: We see that kind of language on sites like four chan,
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: Reddit and discord. So capital owo is actually an emoticon face.
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: And this is what I don't really understand. I never
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: really get what that face.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Is trying to tell you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: It's when you notice an erection there. Do you understand that?
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: Yes, I understand what is being said, but that face
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: in particular just doesn't really do anything for me. But
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: apparently it's supposed to communicate interest of a sexual nature,
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: obviously paired with noticing someone's direction. So that's the first
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: bullet it has to do with furries, it's role playing language,
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: it's kind of an online meme. So this one's clearly
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: satirical to Robinson when he engraves it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Sydney, Sydney, Sumner Crime Stories, Sydney. This guy had way
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: too much time on his hands.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: It's like Mangione, Please quit showing me Mangioni's face. I
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: don't want to see his twenty thousand dollars worth of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: orthodontia Sydney. This guy, the current shooter, obviously had way
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: too much time on his hands. He is obsessed with furries.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not judging. I don't care what he does, but
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: if he's got time to engrave bullets with sex, talk
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and more, he's got way too much time on his hands.
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: Did he work apparently so so in addition to engraving bullets,
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: he was a student at a technical college working on
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: an electrical apprenticeship and that also included field work, so
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: we know that he was working on a large project
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: with a team where he was wiring a new apartment
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: in complex. So he did work, but somehow, get this, Nancy.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: He also had over two thousand hours of video game
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: streaming logged online and that's only streaming, and that's over
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: ten years. But I did the mask is that is
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: an hour a day playing video games at least and.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: That's only what he put and it's just streaming, right, Okay,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: explain that because a lot of people don't know the
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: difference between playing and then what you put online. Explain
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: there he is crawling down the side of a building
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: after murdering Charlie Kirk, a husband, a father, explaining Sadie,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: what we're talking about putting it online.
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: So there are sites like Twitch is probably the most
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: popular one, and this is where it's basically like having
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: a social media account like an Instagram or a YouTube,
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: and when you go on Twitch, you're live streaming, so
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: people are watching you play your game, whether it's an
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: online game or something like Starting Valley, which is much
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: more comforting, but people can watch you as you play
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: your game live and comment on what you're doing.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: It said, said, I'm going to circle back to you.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: This is something I don't understand. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan. Who has time to watch somebody else
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: playing a video game? First of all, who has time
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to play two thousand hours worth of video games. That said,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: but who has time to watch his screen that he's
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: posting off himself playing a video game two thousand hours?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a session online with furries. Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: I have no point of reference for that sort of thing,
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: but I can tell you this discuss is very visual.
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: And let me tell you why anybody that would engrave
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: on these live rounds, Nancy, let me throw this out
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: to you. I got to tell you. You might not like
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: me for saying this. I have no idea, but I
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: got to tell you I think this guy wanted to
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: be caught. Why is he going to leave a message
• 40:16
  Speaker 6: behind and not just once, but on all of these rounds?
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Drop the weapon?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, who's talking right now?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: That's such bs. Let me just clarify one thing. This
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: is a yes.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: No are you a shrink? Because I think you're a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: death investigator? But are you?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Did you secretly go to night school and get your
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: psychiatry degree med school plus?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: No?
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: But I've come around a few that I thought may
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: have That was.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: A single response. You're on cross right now.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the actual shrink, doctor cu Kornbluth.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that he quote wanted to be caught.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: How about just.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Straight out at your rear end arrogance that you're smarter
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: than every in the room, that you're not gonna get caught.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: All your friends free or otherwise are not going to
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: rat you out. They're gonna consider you a hero.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: That's why he put a message on a bullet to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: murder a father of two. I don't care who agrees
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: with Kirk or disagrees with Kirk, like him, love him, hate.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Him, don't care.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: This guy had the arrogance, the hatred in his heart
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to put a message on the bullet decrying fascism and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: about his wanna be erection.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Really, you know what, go to hell. Go to hell.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: That's not wanting to get caught.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: You are an a whole grade, a number one, red
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and rashy.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: What about that diagnosis, corn Blooth? I think you're spot on, Nancy.
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: And by the way, most of these people that burder
• 42:03
  Speaker 15: people like this want that hero mentality out there after.
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: That's why they carve their initials on it so that
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: the world can know that he did this for all
• 42:17
  Speaker 16: the people that hate Charlie Kirk.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: He did this for all of them.
• 42:23
  Speaker 16: It's a sick mentality and.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: It's an obsessive mentality.
• 42:28
  Speaker 16: And for me, Nancy, he has lived in a world
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: of fantasy. Hence the Furries come in because the group
• 42:39
  Speaker 16: of people that belong to Furries, a lot of them
• 42:42
  Speaker 16: live in.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: A fantasy world.
• 42:44
  Speaker 15: Also, the video games that he was playing was in
• 42:47
  Speaker 15: a fantasy world.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: So all of this goes.
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: Together in a very nice psychological package that this kid
• 42:56
  Speaker 16: will not kid adult was suffering from something, but it
• 43:00
  Speaker 16: was premeditated. He wanted to be the hero and probably
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: has some kind of psychological disorder that is going on,
• 43:08
  Speaker 16: but we shall see.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Don't even tunea doctor about an insanity defense or some
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: kind of psychological defect. He knew what he was doing,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and under our jurisprudence, the test is the old McNaughton
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: test brought to the US from Great Britain as part
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: of our common law.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Did he know right from wrong at the time of
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the incidents?
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: And the answer to that is hgwlyes. He changed clothes
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: to us so as to avoid detection. He covered his tracks,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: he parked far away, he hid his weapon, he had
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to go back and retrieve his weapon. He tried to
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: cover his face. Everything indicates he knew what he was
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: doing was wrong, and he tried to hide it afterwards.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: That is consciousness of guilt. Case closed. And to back
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: me up, he's no idiot that fell off the turnip
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: truck in the sense that he had a lot up here.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: He had a high IQ and really good grades. That
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't negate the fact that he has won arrogant soob
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: watch this to.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Receive the Resident Presidential Scholarship from Utah State University.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: The value of this scholarship is approximately thirty two thousand dollars.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: This scholarship is available for forty years or a semesters.
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: Tyler Robinson graduates from Pine Hill High School, securing a
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: scholarship to his mother's alma mater, Utah State University. With
• 44:45
  Speaker 17: his top one percent ECT scores, Robinson packs up for
• 44:49
  Speaker 17: freshman year in Logan, Utah, but returns home just a
• 44:53
  Speaker 17: semester leader. Robinson continues living with his family, pursuing an
• 44:57
  Speaker 17: electricians apprenticeship at Dixie Technical College. Robinson and his brothers
• 45:02
  Speaker 17: seem to have a special interest in guns, pictured at
• 45:05
  Speaker 17: several gun shows.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Charlie
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Kirk's shooting, the state is still putting together a case.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: The case is going forward.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: You may think your information is insignificant, that it may
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: not matter.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: It matters.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Please dial eight zero one five seven nine fourteen hundred
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: or go online to Tips dot FBI dot gov. Repeat
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: eight zero one, five seven nine fourteen hundred. We remember
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: an American hero, Sergeant Thomas Craig, Phoenix, PD, killed in
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the line of duty, leaving behind his widow, Lynn and
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: six children. American Hero Sergeant Thomas Craig, Nancy Gray signing
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: off goodbye friend,