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Another Bombshell From Princess Di’s Brother: King Charles “Giddily Elated” After Diana’s Death · I Do, Part 2

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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, September 18th, and Princess
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Speaker 1: Diana's brother is releasing more excerpts from his bombshell upcoming book.
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Speaker 1: You tell us if the new excerpts are worse for
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Speaker 1: the king than the first one. And with that, welcome
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Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ Ropes. I'll pose
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Speaker 1: that question to you first, right? That first excerpt that
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Speaker 1: came out said that The king said, we'll get over
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Speaker 1: her death soon. That was the first one. That headline
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Speaker 1: was everywhere. Now, they've released some new excerpts from the book.
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Speaker 1: Just ask you, first of all, do these sound worse
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Speaker 1: than the first one did?
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Speaker 2: Collectively, yes, just because it paints a larger picture and
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Speaker 2: it's not a pretty one. It's not a pretty one
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Speaker 2: of all many of the royal families. He didn't get
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Speaker 2: specific with naming who acted the way he claims they
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Speaker 2: did and who didn't, but certainly King Charles does not
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Speaker 2: come out looking good in this at all, not even
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Speaker 2: a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I thought the one excerpt they released about him saying
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Speaker 1: that we'll get over her death soon enough, that was
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Speaker 1: gonna be the worst thing. I thought they hit us
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Speaker 1: with that one first and nothing more was coming.
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Speaker 2: Ooh, weesh. Yeah, a lot of times we see that
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Speaker 2: in books, right? They pick out one and pretty much
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Speaker 2: the only controversial statement, sell a book on that, and
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Speaker 2: then you realize, oh, none of it is even that bad. Well, actually,
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Speaker 2: these new excerpts that were released, ooh, this and maybe
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Speaker 2: the palace, Buckingham Palace, knew this was all coming out
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Speaker 2: and they knew what Charles Spencer had said before previously.
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Speaker 1: Then why, it seems like they didn't know, like this
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Speaker 1: is a wave now. He didn't just drop everything and
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Speaker 1: let them respond once. The palace has already responded to
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Speaker 1: the first excerpt.
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Speaker 2: They can't respond again.
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Speaker 1: Can't keep going.
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Speaker 2: It was a rare thing for them to do it
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Speaker 2: in the first place. And now that more excerpts have
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Speaker 2: come out, they're just going to have to let their
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Speaker 2: original statement stand. And they had to know that in
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Speaker 2: this book there had to be more. But I even
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Speaker 2: wasn't prepared for how chilling some of these exchanges are.
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Speaker 2: as Charles Spencer remembers it, but basically... He's a little brother, right?
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Speaker 1: He was a little brother, right?
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Speaker 2: Yes, he was her younger brother, and he says some
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Speaker 2: royals in the palace were what he called relieved that
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Speaker 2: Diana was gone, and gleeful even. He uses ways to
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Speaker 2: describe how they were reacting, and it is terrible to imagine.
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Speaker 1: That word is tough.
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Speaker 2: Gleeful.
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Speaker 1: They use gleeful. Giddily.
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Speaker 2: Giddily.
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Speaker 1: Rose, that's a tough word.
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Speaker 2: Giddily, you're right.
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Speaker 1: Giddily. The death of Princess Di when the world's heart
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Speaker 1: was breaking. You're telling me the royals were giddily reacting
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Speaker 1: to this? Rose, that word is everywhere. End quote. Giddily.
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Speaker 2: Giddily. Yes. And they also claim, or he claims, Charles
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Speaker 2: Spencer claims, that the royal family denied Diana the one
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Speaker 2: thing she wanted played at her funeral. They refused. So
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Speaker 2: we can get into some of these new excerpts because
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Speaker 2: I have them here right in front of me. These
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Speaker 2: are quotes from the book, and this is going to
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Speaker 2: be released next week, Swan Song, Diana, My Sister, from
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Speaker 2: Charles Spencer. I'll let you react to some of these, babe.
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Speaker 2: He writes, Diana remained theirs. In Buckingham Palace's eyes, even
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Speaker 2: in death, her family, despite her divorce, were simply expected
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Speaker 2: to fall into line with any royal decisions.
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Speaker 1: Again, babe, this all, this is a thing. Nobody's going
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Speaker 1: to have a tough time believing this stuff. It all reads.
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Speaker 1: It's what we've been told. It's what we've been hearing about.
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Speaker 1: It's what we've been entertained by. All these streaming shows
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Speaker 1: about the, right? It's what Meghan Markle has been telling
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Speaker 1: us for the past six plus years, right? So, This
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Speaker 1: is stuff, it's tough for people to see. It's like, ah,
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Speaker 1: he's just making stuff up.
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Speaker 2: I know, if we, I watched The Crown, I watched
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Speaker 2: The Queen. If you start watching any of these historical
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Speaker 2: fictionalized series, I mean, it all has the same tone
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Speaker 2: to it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, he is continuing that theme with what he's saying,
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Speaker 1: which makes it not a problem. stretch robes for people
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Speaker 1: to believe what he's saying. Wow.
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Speaker 2: So he goes on to say, my sisters knew that
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Speaker 2: Diana had always wanted Mozart's Requiem to be played for
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Speaker 2: her after her death. But when I passed this on,
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Speaker 2: it was rejected as a possibility. No part of a
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Speaker 2: Requiem can be played at a Church of England funeral,
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Speaker 2: I was told. I later found out that was not
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Speaker 2: the case. The first of several untruths that the authorities
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Speaker 2: would push my way at the time. So they're liars
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Speaker 2: and they want it their way and their way alone.
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Speaker 1: A dead woman just wanted a song and y'all wouldn't
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Speaker 1: play it for her is how I read that. And
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Speaker 1: that's how the public, it's that simple. This lady we
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Speaker 1: love in death wanted one thing. Y'all wouldn't give her.
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Speaker 2: Charles Spencer also wrote that while some in the royal
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Speaker 2: inner circle were kind, quote, there were others in the
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Speaker 2: palace I already knew who were relieved, indeed pleased. that
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Speaker 2: she had gone. Wow. And he didn't just say that
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Speaker 2: was King Charles or Prince Charles at the time. He
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Speaker 2: said others, plural, were relieved, indeed, pleased that she had gone.
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Speaker 1: So I guess that's one of those things, right? Robes
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Speaker 1: that helps sell a book. Because he's going to be
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Speaker 1: on a book tour. And he's going to be asked
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Speaker 1: that question a million times. Who are you talking about?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And look, he'll be, I'm sure, cheeky about it
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Speaker 2: and not say, but We can guess who he's speaking of.
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Speaker 2: And then he gets into detail that he alluded to
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Speaker 2: when that first excerpt was released about this feud that
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Speaker 2: he had with then Prince Charles over William, young William
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Speaker 2: and Harry, walking behind Diana's coffin. We remember that. Of course.
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Speaker 2: And Harry was so little at the time. Was he 11?
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Speaker 1: He was 12.
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Speaker 2: They were 15 and 12. 15 and 12. But for
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Speaker 2: whatever reason, they looked younger than that. Both of them did.
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Speaker 1: Harry looked really young.
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Speaker 2: He looked like a baby. So this is the exchange
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Speaker 2: as Charles Spencer writes it. Well, that's not going to happen,
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Speaker 2: I said in a matter-of-fact tone. It was a suggestion
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Speaker 2: that struck me as utterly barbaric and quite out of
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Speaker 2: the question. He told Charles, Diana, quote, would never have
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Speaker 2: wanted to put them through anything so ghastly. This is
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Speaker 2: what Charles said in response. I gather you've said you
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Speaker 2: don't want William and Harry to walk behind Diana's coffin. Well,
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Speaker 2: of course not, sir. Diana would never have wanted that.
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Speaker 2: Charles said he did it at the funeral for his uncle,
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Speaker 2: Lord Mountbatten. Spencer said, but you were 30, sir, and
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Speaker 2: he wasn't your mother. He went nuts. That's the problem
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Speaker 2: with your family. They've got no bloody sense of duty
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Speaker 2: before he descended into a general rage. So he's just
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Speaker 2: describing this anger. And that's when then this is all
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Speaker 2: the setup to what we got that one excerpt yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Prince Charles continued his stream of anger without me interrupting.
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Speaker 2: Then he stopped. I assumed the pause signaled an effort
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Speaker 2: to bring himself under control. But then he unleashed down
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Speaker 2: the phone what I have always taken to be his
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Speaker 2: pent-up contempt for Diana and his horror that the world
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Speaker 2: was so bowled over by her death. Rest assured, he hissed,
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Speaker 2: we'll forget her soon enough. I was so stunned that
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Speaker 2: it took me a few seconds to reply. I can't
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Speaker 2: believe you just said that, I said flatly before hanging up.
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Speaker 2: So now you get the full picture of what he
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Speaker 2: says happened and it really, it just, It packs a punch.
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Speaker 1: It makes the king sound so bad. And this is all, look,
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Speaker 1: has he been holding on to this pain and been
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Speaker 1: wanting to say this for 30 years?
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Speaker 2: It sounds like it. And he even said at the
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Speaker 2: end of the press release, basically, that he had, after
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Speaker 2: he did the audio book, so if you, you can
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Speaker 2: read the book if you want, but I, you know me,
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Speaker 2: I love an audio book. And I especially love it
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Speaker 2: when the author reads the book. But he said after
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Speaker 2: he finished it, he felt, At total peace because he
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Speaker 2: said he knew that Diana would have approved of every
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Speaker 2: single word of it. But yes, I think the worst
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Speaker 2: excerpt that came out yesterday was that he said Prince
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Speaker 2: Charles sounded giddily elated like a lottery winner in a
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Speaker 2: phone call after his sister died.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. How are they going to take this, Robes?
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Speaker 1: The public. The public. How's the British public going to
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Speaker 1: receive this, babe? That woman is beloved. She's as close
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Speaker 1: to a saint, not connected to the church, as you're
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Speaker 1: going to get, probably, for a lot of people in
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Speaker 1: the world. Rose, the current king of England, the royal family. Rose,
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Speaker 1: they always have a scandal or this or that. You
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Speaker 1: still got Andrew's thing floating around. You got strife with
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Speaker 1: the boys. You got strife with the dad. Harry just
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Speaker 1: moved back. There's always some stuff happening. And they try
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Speaker 1: to keep the king away from it just like they
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Speaker 1: try to keep the queen away from it. Rose, she
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Speaker 1: is the most consequential royal of our lifetime, does she not? Okay,
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Speaker 1: we can argue the queen, fine. But as far as
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Speaker 1: popularity and reach and impact, she's it.
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Speaker 2: She's the heart of the royal family. And when you
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Speaker 2: go after the heart.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have one.
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Speaker 2: She did. She humanized the royal family. She made everyone
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Speaker 2: feel like We understood them. They weren't so disconnected from
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Speaker 2: the rest of us. She brought them to us. She
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Speaker 2: was the bridge.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: And to hear that the current king was giddy when
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Speaker 2: she died.
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Speaker 1: Happy she's dead. Relieved. Man, come on.
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Speaker 2: That's. It's horrific.
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Speaker 1: How many more statements? They might have to. Babe, this is.
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Speaker 1: How much more is there?
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Speaker 2: It's tough. Well, how about this? When we come back,
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Speaker 2: here's the interesting thing. We had said that you and I, well,
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Speaker 2: we haven't. And now I totally want to.
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Speaker 1: Harry.
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Speaker 2: Book Spare. There is an excerpt from Harry's Book Spare
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Speaker 2: that literally backs up what Charles has written. We're going
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Speaker 2: to tell you what that is, and we'll remind you
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Speaker 2: once again of the very cleverly written Buckingham Palace Statement.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. We are going
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Speaker 2: over the latest excerpts released in Charles Spencer's new book,
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Speaker 2: Swan Song, Diana, My Sister, out next week, where he details,
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Speaker 2: and he pays homage to his sister's life, but the
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Speaker 2: really incendiary parts of this book are the details that
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Speaker 2: he writes about in the days following Diana's tragic death
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Speaker 2: back in 1997.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all this stuff he's talking about is not, this
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Speaker 1: was like immediate aftermath stuff we're talking about. Not days,
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Speaker 1: this is... Like right after, they're expressing glee even to
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Speaker 1: the brother, to the family?
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Speaker 2: Where he hung up on then Prince Charles, essentially, because
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Speaker 2: he was so upset with him. And in that, where
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Speaker 2: he recounted that exchange about the boys walking behind the coffin,
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Speaker 2: it's so interesting. If you go back into Harry's book, Spare,
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Speaker 2: he has a very similar, he writes about a very
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Speaker 2: similar back and forth. And so in a way, people
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Speaker 2: are saying, look, Harry didn't know that his uncle was
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Speaker 2: writing this book, or certainly they didn't compare notes, you
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Speaker 2: wouldn't imagine, but it's a similar account. So this is
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Speaker 2: how Harry wrote about that in his book. It seemed
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Speaker 2: a lot to ask of two young boys. Several adults
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Speaker 2: were aghast. Mummy's brother, Uncle Charles, raised hell. You can't
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Speaker 2: make these boys walk behind their mother's coffin. It's barbaric.
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Speaker 2: An alternative plan was proposed. Prince William would walk alone.
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Speaker 2: He was 15 after all. Leave the younger one out
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Speaker 2: of it. Spare the spare. But the answer came back.
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Speaker 2: It must be both princes. To garner sympathy, presumably. Uncle
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Speaker 2: Charles was furious, but I wasn't. I didn't want Willie
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Speaker 2: to undergo an ordeal like that without me. Had the
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Speaker 2: roles been reversed, he'd never have wanted me, indeed allowed me,
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Speaker 2: to go it alone. It's kind of interesting, right? You
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Speaker 2: have Harry remembering it from his vantage point, and even
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Speaker 2: he remembers it. how upset his uncle was. That was
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Speaker 2: known to the boys.
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Speaker 1: It's, damn, it's a damn shame. Because what Harry is
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Speaker 1: describing there is the thing we would love to see now.
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Speaker 1: Some fraternal camaraderie, right? That I wouldn't let my brother
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Speaker 1: do that alone. My brother wouldn't let me do that alone, right?
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Speaker 1: You're hearing it, like you said, wrote the same situation
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Speaker 1: from different perspectives. And I'm sure if King Charles got
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Speaker 1: to tell the story, The facts might line up, but
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Speaker 1: from his perspective, he might explain it in such a
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Speaker 1: way why this was important, important for the nation, important
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Speaker 1: for everybody to see him and to see them, those
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Speaker 1: boys at the time. I would listen to that argument, baby.
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Speaker 1: This is the royal family, this is duty, and this
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Speaker 1: is different. And this was a part of everybody's healing. Look,
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Speaker 1: if those are my kids, don't get me wrong, I
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Speaker 1: would say, hell no, I'm not putting my 12-year-old through that. But, Ro,
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Speaker 1: this is an interesting one. I would love to hear
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Speaker 1: them actually explain this from the royal side.
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Speaker 2: Right? And according to Charles.
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Speaker 1: We won't, though, hear that.
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Speaker 2: We won't. But the only thing we'll hear is Charles is...
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Speaker 2: Like how he recounted Prince Charles, now King Charles, how
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Speaker 2: he reacted. And to that exact point, he said, that's
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Speaker 2: a problem with your family. They've got no bloody sense
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Speaker 2: of duty. And he said, I had to do it
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Speaker 2: for my uncle... I had to walk behind when I was,
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Speaker 2: you know, he was 30. I guess there was a difference.
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Speaker 2: He was like, I had to do it. My sons
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Speaker 2: will do it. There is this sense of duty within
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Speaker 2: the royal family that he said basically flat out to Charles,
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Speaker 2: you don't get it. You don't understand it. The royal
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Speaker 2: family has a different responsibility. And so.
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Speaker 1: Sounds like what they've been trying to tell Meghan Markle
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Speaker 1: for the past seven, eight years. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And it is a difficult thing perhaps for us commoners
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Speaker 2: to get.
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Speaker 1: Our heads around. They do see it that way, baby.
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Speaker 2: And so that's where it is. And look, wanted to
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Speaker 2: remind everyone, because you had talked about how cleverly written
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Speaker 2: this Buckingham Palace statement was. Look, these things are well curated,
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Speaker 2: well crafted, extremely thought out, and rarely issued. But this
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Speaker 2: is what Buckingham Palace had to say. While we do
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Speaker 2: not comment on books as a matter of principle, His
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Speaker 2: Majesty is mindful that the pain of fraternal grief can
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Speaker 2: cloud reason... affect judgment and color memory in ways others
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Speaker 2: do not recognize even many years after such a loss.
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Speaker 1: That's tough. That's wild. Those folks can write. They're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we've been doing this for hundreds of years. This is
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Speaker 1: nothing new. What else you got? That statement is, that
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Speaker 1: is a royal smackdown. It was a little sarcastic. It
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Speaker 1: was a little condescending.
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Speaker 2: You can't prove it was, but it certainly felt like
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 1: But why does it still feel perfectly British and appropriate?
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Speaker 1: In the way that it still comes off with that
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Speaker 1: thing that no matter what you say and how rude
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Speaker 1: you say it, if you say it in a British accent,
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Speaker 1: it just sounds nice. It does.
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Speaker 2: You could even drop a few curse words in there
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Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, that was pleasant. A little cheeky,
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Speaker 2: but pleasant.
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Speaker 1: Cheeky is what they call it.
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Speaker 2: But look, I don't know how much more to come.
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Speaker 2: It seems like they have pulled out the really salacious
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Speaker 2: parts to sell books. And I think it's going to
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Speaker 2: be extremely effective. Like I said, I'm here for the
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Speaker 2: audio book. I want to listen to him recount all
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Speaker 2: of these moments because this is insight that we rarely get.
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Speaker 2: And look, the question is, is it insight you can trust?
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Speaker 2: This is coming from a man who who is defending
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Speaker 2: the honor of his sister, who wants the world to
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Speaker 2: remember his sister as we approach her 30th anniversary of
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Speaker 2: her death. And this is his memory of those days
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Speaker 2: that followed her tragic death.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll stand by. Robes, will there be more?
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Speaker 1: Will there be another statement? uh, from the King. I just,
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Speaker 1: I just can't, babe. They can't respond to everything that
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Speaker 1: leaks out, but some of this, they should have given
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Speaker 1: it a beat so they could cover everything.
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Speaker 2: I bet Harry, I bet you, Meghan Markle and Harry
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Speaker 2: are the happiest people, uh, that they could possibly be
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Speaker 2: in terms of this book being released now. It takes
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Speaker 2: the pressure off of them. It paints the monarchy in
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Speaker 2: not so great of a light and maybe gives them
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Speaker 2: a bit of a reprieve from all of the negative
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Speaker 2: attention they've been receiving since returning to the UK.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Harry and Meghan would like to call their first
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Speaker 1: witness Charles Spencer, right?
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Speaker 2: Exactly. All right, we'll stay on top of this developing story,
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Speaker 2: but we always appreciate you listening to us, everyone. I'm
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Speaker 2: Amy Robach alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.