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Hypno 4: Mantras · Kinkyboys Podcast

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  Buck: Hello and welcome again to the Kinky Boys podcast.
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  It's November, which means it's h November.
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  So of course we are doing another episode on hypnosis.
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  This time we are talking specifically about hypnotic mantras.
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  Joining us is visible restraint, Daniel.
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  Hello and welcome back.
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  Daniel: Hi.
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  Thanks.
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  Buck: Mean, it's always a pleasure to have you on.
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  Daniel: I love talking about hypnosis.
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  Buck: Yeah.
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  And you've definitely got the voice for it, as I recall,
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  Daniel: yeah.
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  I paid extra.
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  Buck: So you've recently been doing quite a few sort of.
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  Mini snippet videos in sort of vertical format and long series
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  of like an introduction to hypnosis and hypnotic concepts.
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  And recently you've touched on mantras.
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  Yeah.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Daniel: Mm-hmm.
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  That's right.
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  Yeah.
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  I've been doing the series since April.
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  And I drop three episodes a week.
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  I'm up to almost a hundred now, so.
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  Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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  And I did like 10 on hypnotic mantras just not too long ago.
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  And so they're fresh in my mind.
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  And I've been teaching workshops specifically on hypnotic mantras.
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  So, and it's exciting.
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  It's a lot of what I do, a lot of what I do is about creating
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  gateways for new people to cross through and enter the community.
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  And mantras are a really excellent way to do that.
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  Buck: Yeah.
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  And like I've had a fair bit of success with them.
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  So let's start with the groundwork.
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  When we say mantras, what, what do we mean?
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  Daniel: Well, the word comes from the Sanskrit for thought or think.
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  And so and there it's used in many sort of spiritual and religious
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  practices, but since my thing is hypnosis, that's, that's.
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  The slant I take, that's the, the, the lens I view that through.
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  But mantras are like utterances.
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  They can be utterances or sounds or words or whole stans actually.
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  They can be gestures, they can be touches, they can be all kinds of things.
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  The important part is that these are, they are cues that, that are repeated a lot.
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  And they're intended, and they're usually, and in our hypnotic practices,
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  usually the hypnotist will give or devise a mantra for their subject,
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  although it can, the, the mantra itself can come from the subject as well.
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  But the point is, is that the subject repeats the mantra over and over again
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  until the desired effect is created.
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  So we have, we have cues and we have outcomes just like we have with triggers.
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  Buck: Yeah.
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  Daniel: But it's pretty simple actually, so that's why it's,
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  it's, it's so good for new people,
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  Buck: Oh yeah.
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  And like they can be quite effective, especially if you're
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  trying a long-term sort of project.
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  I know I've had a fair bit of success, especially around sort of the gym.
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  And also like, just as we talked about in our brainwashing episode
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  to set devotional practices.
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  So one thing I think we should ask about is for you, what makes a good mantra?
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  Daniel: Oh.
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  So in my practice, generally speaking, I don't know if you've
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  ever noticed this, but honestly.
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  When you say a mantra over and over again, do you have the experience
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  that eventually it just becomes sound shapes in your mouth.
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  It becomes sound shapes in your ear.
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  It becomes sound shapes in your brain.
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  You don't necessarily focus on the words individual meanings.
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  After a while, if you repeat it often enough and long enough, they just become,
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  they just become a sort of like a hum or a a noise that you're making, right?
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  But a mantra in, in order to be effective, needs to be it needs to fit
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  with the agenda you have because the mantra, whether or not the subject is
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  paying attention to the words they say.
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  The example I gave in the in the YouTube series was the mantra I am hypnosis,
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  which is, I think, a hilarious mantra.
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  Buck: Mm-hmm.
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  Daniel: a little embarrassing to say, and it's a little over the top, and, and
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  it's easy to be, it's easy to engage the critical faculty around it, but if, if you
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  say it long enough, then all of a sudden you're not listening to the words anymore.
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  But what you are doing, but what you are doing is taking on board
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  the actual ultimate meaning.
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  Which I can talk about that in a little bit.
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  But, but, but the meaning, meaning is important, but it, and it has
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  to fit with the agenda though.
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  It has to be in line, in, in alignment with the agenda that
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  you and your hypnotist or you, if you're doing it as a solo project,
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  or you as a group have in mind.
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  Buck: Oh yeah.
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  I mean, I can talk a little bit about what I find works better for me.
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  So one thing is a certain amount of brevity.
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  Or simplicity, like if you make it overly complex, A, it's hard to repeat an overly
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  complex idea or sentence again and again.
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  But it's also quite hard to hold that in your head and
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  for it to bear meaning still.
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  I mean, a big thing that really helps, which is, and this sort
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  of turns into an earworm, is sort of a rhythm a rhythm or sort.
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  Rhythm or, oh my God, words are failing me the way of saying something.
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  Daniel: When I do, when, so when I do, just, just to butt in a little bit.
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  When I do when I do mantras, I definitely, so first of all, they're repeating, so
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  you're establishing a rhythm anyhow.
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  But a rhythm is very important.
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  So I tend to, I, the mantras that I create from my partners tend to be metered,
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  Buck: Yes.
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  That's what I'm talking about.
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  That's the, that's the word.
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  Daniel: And, and, but it also it also, I'll use alliteration.
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  Alliteration is really good.
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  That's where you have the, you know, the same sort of
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  consonants that start the words.
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  Or rhyming also helps, right?
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  Things that have an internal rhyme to them or, or yeah.
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  So, and, and of course sometimes you're, the mantra is so short that, that the
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  rhyme wouldn't be something that that works except, except the words can have,
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  the words can sound the same, right?
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  They can, they can have, they can have similar sounds to them that
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  you, so, so that it emphasizes the repetitive nature of the mantra itself.
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  But as I say, the most important thing, the most important thing,
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  oddly enough, even though.
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  In many ways I prefer it when, so say you say I was to install
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  a mantra with you, right.
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  And I was to have I was, had to have you repeat the mantra.
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  So go ahead and actually go ahead and start repeating the mantra.
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  I am hypnosis.
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  Would you do that for
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  Buck: I am hypnosis.
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  I am hypnosis.
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  Daniel: So I can talk to you while you're doing that.
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  Buck: I am hypnosis.
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  Daniel: after a while you're gonna stop paying attention to what you're saying.
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  And actually listen, because you're an interviewer, you're gonna be
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  listened to the words that I'm saying.
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  And so the actual words that you're saying that you are saying become less important,
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  and the words that I'm saying become more
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  Buck: I am hypnosis.
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  Daniel: Right?
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  Okay.
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  You can stop now.
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  Did that make sense?
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  Did that make sense?
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  Yes.
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  Right.
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  And so after a while, the words just become word shapes in your
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  mouth and they just become right.
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  And they don't become nearly as important.
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  Right.
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  It turns out you can use all kinds of things for mantras though, right?
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  You can use, you can use sounds, you can use touches, repeated
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  touches as a mantra, right?
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  Or repeated gestures as a mantra, right?
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  You can use, yeah, you can use all kinds of stuff and all of it works.
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  And it all follows the basic rules that you want to have a rhythm and you want
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  it to basically engage the subject at a subliminal or unconscious level, right?
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  Buck: Yeah.
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  Daniel: and for long-term work, you want it to mean something that
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  is in alignment with your agenda,
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  Buck: Yeah.
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  And you talking about it?
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  Daniel: So I teach a, I te, I teach a as as as I mentioned, I teach, I teach a lot
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  of workshops, but one of the workshops I teach actually is a workshop where
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  it's called Brainstorm Hypnotic Mantras.
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  And it starts off, there's 30 minutes of me me basically giving a short
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  lecture about the structure of mantras, how we use them, how they, how they
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  apply in our hypnotic practice when they're appropriate to be used.
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  And how effective they are.
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  And they can be, by the way, incredibly effective, by the way,
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  with or without trance, right?
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  So and they don't need to be installed with trance.
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  They can be installed on a completely UNT trance subject, right?
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  So anyhow, I have this lecture that I give and then we spend
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  the rest of the time I gather.
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  Basically a list on a whiteboard of the hopes and dreams of all
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  of the attendees of the workshop.
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  And then the rest of the workshop is the group using what we've learned in
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  the lecture to start fashioning mantras that fit the goals and dreams of the
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  people who are attending the workshop.
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  And it's an amazing thing and it's, it's hilarious and it's, and the
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  results can be incredibly powerful.
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  And you find people actually.
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  Starting to engage in the mantras even before we've left the workshop.
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  It's really cool.
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  But yeah, but you're right.
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  Mantras should be easy to understand.
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  They should be easy to repeat.
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  Do you have a mantra that you can share?
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  Buck: so one thing master has me do is I fucking love the gym.
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  And it's like that with the emphasis on the fucking 'cause.
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  It's part of a wider thing of connecting, like being sexually excited, working out.
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  It feels good.
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  And it's very fun, especially when I'm with my slave brothers who also have
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  the, some of the same, and when one of us says the mantra, the other ones will
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  pretty much automatically also say it.
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  Daniel: sure.
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  Share right.
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  Yeah.
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  Which to people from the outside, it starts looking a little culty,
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  Buck: mean, that's the fun part.
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  Daniel: about that.
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  Similarly status, who you met on a previous, I
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  Buck: Yep.
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  That's one.
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  Daniel: episode status was Yeah.
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  Also has a, a mantra that he uses for gym work and his is, it is metered
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  actually Submission service Strength.
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  Submission Service strength.
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  Because the point of our, our long-term change work, actually initially
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  the thing that sort of, the thing that we both agreed on immediately
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  as long-term change work with him.
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  Or also known as brainwashing was basically to re So he, his workout, he's
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  in really good shape already, right?
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  And he spends a lot of time in the gym.
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  But he was feeling as though it was kind of all self-centered.
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  It was kind of self-absorbed.
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  He was afraid that it would start looking self-absorbed and being self-absorbed.
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  He wanted to reframe it as being in service to his dominant, not necessarily
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  me specifically, because that's a thing, but, but, but, but because of
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  our proximity, it ends up being me.
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  Right?
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  So, so his workouts, the intention of his workouts, the, the intention he brings
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  to his workouts is his service to me.
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  And so.
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  And so the, when he uses in, in his workouts, when he uses submission
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  service, strength submission, service strength, it helps him push through
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  difficult parts of the workout, right?
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  It helps him find more space for a bigger, better workout, and
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  it, it works really well for him.
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  He also uses it in other, other parts of his life.
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  For instance, BDSM play.
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  He uses it in BDSM play all the time because it helps him find
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  more room for his, for his ability to, to access what he needs to
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  Buck: Yeah, and that's interesting you're saying that because.
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  I just realized like it is, like, even though it relates to the gym
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  with the strength, it it has that multitude of meanings, which depending
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  on the setting and context can change.
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  Like I really like how versatile that is.
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  Daniel: Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And he can also use it to get himself, believe it or not.
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  Well, he can also put himself under it with it.
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  I imagine that because of your relationship with your sir and because
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  of, of how hypnotically oriented it is.
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  I imagine your mantra also can put you under
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  Buck: Oh, yeah.
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  Daniel: sail it long enough.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  You find state because, because that's where it came from.
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  Because Revivification, right?
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  We, we revivify these states by using them, right?
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  So,
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  Buck: I've just remembered there is one in the Kinky Boys Chat and
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  our wider social media which is repetition is powerful and effective.
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  I,
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  Daniel: That is a good one.
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  That is a good one.
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  Buck: Yeah.
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  Daniel: We had one come up in we had one come up that we can spend the
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  rest of it, the, the, our podcast talking about different kinds
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  of mantras and how they're used.
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  We had one come up in the workshop.
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  They said they wanted to introduce a sort of whimsical.
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  A silly mindset to their session and to just life in general.
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  They just liked life when it was lighter and right.
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  And the one that we all ended up, I don't know who it, who came up with
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  it, but because of the way we went into it, the way we approached it we ca we
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  ended, we landed on unleash the what.
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  Buck: Oh,
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  Daniel: Unleash the what?
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  Unleash the what?
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  Unleash the what,
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  Buck: Mm-hmm.
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  Daniel: right.
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  It works really well on so many levels and it's so empowering,
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  you know, it's really good.
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  I will say there are mantras.
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  Of course, you want to, you want to, you want to.
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  This is powerful stuff, right?
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  So.
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  Oh, I'll give another example of, of, of a mantra that I've used quite a lot.
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  Last January I was in New York after the Charmed Hypnosis
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  Conference in, in Maryland.
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  I went to New York and I made some content there with some very beautiful boys,
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  and I'm very happy to have done that.
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  But the content I was making was, it was pretty.
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  None of us had a lot of time.
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  I was really busy in New York, so I didn't have a lot of time, so I didn't have, and
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  also, and also I don't I don't do a lot of post hypnotic stuff with, with hookups.
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  I just don't, I just think it's not a great idea to do post
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  hypnotic stuff with, with hookups.
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  But.
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  I didn't wanna have to faff around with a lot of inductions actually.
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  So what I did instead, and almost all of the content I made in New York was edging
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  oriented, edging and bondage oriented.
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  And so the mantra I used was, was a really good one for that.
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  And that was hard.
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  Penis, soft brain, hard penis, soft brain, hard penis, soft brain.
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  Hard penis, soft brain works really, really well and introduces a sort of,
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  almost a gooning mentality to it, which we know that Gooning is a next door
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  neighbor to hypnosis for a lot of people.
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  Right?
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  A lot of people are definitely in state when they're, when they're
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  in their gooning head space, right?
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  In the same way that many people who are submissives experience subspace
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  as, as, a state as a trans state, almost certainly a flow state.
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  But in every case, in every case where I had them do that and had them just
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  keep repeating it through the process of being bound and being edged and
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  getting closer and closer to orgasm and so on, what happened in every
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  case, they would eventually just go.
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  Flipped completely into trance where their, their faces were, you know,
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  the completely, the symmetrical affect the slump shoulders.
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  The just totally in trance.
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  Obviously incredibly horny, still incredibly close to orgasm,
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  but 1000% in trance, right?
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  It was hypnosis.
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  So it's really powerful and I knew that going in.
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  So I had to have, I had to obey consent and, and negotiation protocols.
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  Right.
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  So I had to talk about, I had to talk about risks and what could possibly go
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  wrong with, with, with these mantras.
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  And I had to be pretty transparent about what the intentionality was and
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  that they, they owned these mantras.
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  These mantras weren't mine, right?
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  They could use the mantra whenever they wanted and they should only
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  use them when safe and appropriate.
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  Right.
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  So I had all of those, all of those conversations at the same
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  time, and it was, it was really, really exciting to do that.
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  Another this is a mantra that actually I did with status again.
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  It was one that I had in the middle of a session.
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  It was a, a brainstorm that I had in the middle of a session.
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  And if, and there are some mantras that I would consider introducing in the
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  middle of a session, even if we hadn't necessarily discussed it explicitly.
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  But this one is a powerful enough one that I needed us to be sober from hypnosis
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  before I introduced it, so I didn't introduce it in the middle of the session.
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  Because you can't actively, you can't actually, start renegotiating
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  in the middle of a session 'cause everybody's just stoned.
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  Right.
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  So I waited until the next day.
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  We also statuses statuses apartment living room.
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  It was in Victoria.
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  So the statuses apartment, living room actually has become hypnosis
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  for us because we do so much
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  Buck: Mm-hmm.
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  Daniel: in there.
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  So I couldn't even have the conversation with him in his, in, in his living room.
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  So we were on our way shopping and I. Pulled us aside and we sat in a park so
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  we could talk about this, this mantra that I thought of, and I had to say in
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  the, I had to, I had to lead with the idea that, that the mantra, if we installed
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  the mantra, there would be no implicit it
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  downside to him saying, no.
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  He was still, he still had full agency.
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  He still was, he still.
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  I would always respect his no.
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  Always respect his no.
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  Right?
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  And, and he should never hesitate from saying no.
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  Right?
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  He should always protect himself first.
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  Right?
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  The only thing is, is it, what this mantra did was that it gave him an additional
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  hit of pleasure, a hi, an additional dopamine hit it.
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  It, it gave him an additional dopamine hit for being, for being.
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  Agreeable and for saying yes.
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  Right.
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  So it's a, it's a it.
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  But I had to, I had to make sure that he understood the role he was
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  gonna be playing in terms of his agency and in terms of his safety.
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  If we did this mantra and he agreed and we did it.
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  And the mantra was, yes, this is its own reward.
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  Yes.
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  Is its own reward, which was really a powerful thing to install for him.
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  And was resulted in some very moving scenes.
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  I was really pleased.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's a powerful one, but it requires a lot of, a lot of planning.
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  Right?
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  And it, so from a safety standpoint, my, my, my, my standards are,
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  okay, you can please only use these when they're safe and appropriate.
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  Please understand that these mantras actually belong to you, and you can
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  give them to your partners if your partners understand what they are, what
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  they mean, and how they work, right?
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  Please feel free to give them to your partners.
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  Those are all, because all relationships end, right?
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  I mean, it's a sad thing to say, but eventually every
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  relationship is gonna end, right?
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  And so it's important to, it's important to establish hypnotic independence,
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  Buck: Oh yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's like,
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  Daniel: And so I, I'm,
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  Buck: I was just gonna say in like.
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  Minder Masters works.
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  He's always very careful to always reiterate outta trance.
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  Like, you know, your boundaries are your boundaries.
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  You have autonomy.
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  It's never a bad thing to bring up something that was uncomfortable with you.
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  And he continually, in full waking consciousness always reinforces that.
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  Even when we go into similar sort of stuff as you've done, which
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  is yes, it it so reward and.
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  The sort of obedience is pleasure, sort of, which I know again, is a very
• 21:39
  common mantra for a lot of people.
• 21:42
  Obedience is
• 21:42
  Daniel: right.
• 21:44
  But it needs to be, it needs to be, everybody needs to have their eyes open.
• 21:49
  And when you're negotiation.
• 21:50
  When you're negotiating, negotiating, it's important that both of you
• 21:53
  take your dom sub sub hats off for a damn minute and actually have a
• 21:57
  con, a sober conversation as equals.
• 22:00
  Right.
• 22:00
  What is in your best
• 22:01
  Buck: And again, it almost is like a.
• 22:03
  Sort of counterbalance mantra, which is you do have to go back and continually
• 22:08
  reinforce safety almost as its own mantra.
• 22:14
  Daniel: right, right.
• 22:16
  Exactly.
• 22:18
  Yeah.
• 22:22
  Did I mention already that's, that mantras can be used in groups as
• 22:26
  well as in partnered practice as well
• 22:29
  Buck: I mean lightly, but let's dig into that a little more.
• 22:34
  Daniel: Yeah, so I mean,
• 22:39
  you're already doing group mantra work.
• 22:41
  Buck: Yeah.
• 22:44
  Daniel: Right.
• 22:44
  But obviously, so, so when I, when I talked about this I am Hypnosis mantra,
• 22:51
  I suggested it in the YouTube se in the YouTube series as a as a solo practice,
• 22:58
  Buck: Yeah.
• 22:59
  Daniel: It feels silly to say at first, but after a while you don't
• 23:02
  feel like it's silly to say, right.
• 23:06
  I like it.
• 23:06
  I like it particularly because look, we're all, we're all sort of manifestations of
• 23:15
  our mental and hypnotic practices, right?
• 23:20
  And so we are, we are how we trans, right?
• 23:24
  We are how we trans and so, and so the I am hypnosis.
• 23:31
  Thing just acknowledges that, right?
• 23:33
  That I'm hypnosis, hypnosis is me, right?
• 23:37
  I'm doing this thing right.
• 23:38
  And it's a really, really good practice for developing.
• 23:42
  It also, it also is really good for developing confidence in hypnosis.
• 23:46
  'cause a lot of people have a hard time with confidence.
• 23:49
  Buck: Oh yeah.
• 23:50
  Daniel: Speaking of which, this is an excellent practice for
• 23:53
  a, a beginning hypnotist to introduce to their subject because.
• 23:57
  They can do the, they can do that with the confidence that it doesn't need.
• 24:01
  It doesn't need trance, actually.
• 24:03
  It does.
• 24:03
  So you don't need to know a lot of inductions.
• 24:06
  Right.
• 24:07
  And it's probably something, if you have a DS dynamic in your relationship, and
• 24:12
  this is something we might want to unpack a little bit, but if you already have
• 24:16
  a DS dynamic, you're probably already doing some for some form of mantra.
• 24:21
  Almost certainly.
• 24:23
  Are doing some form of mantra, some kind of, most people who do Ds Ds play
• 24:29
  if they talk to each other at all.
• 24:32
  They have some kind of ritualized, protocolized.
• 24:36
  Those aren't words, but practice in their relationship.
• 24:41
  Is a confirmation, is an affirmation of their practice of, of dom sub play
• 24:46
  of dom, sub of the dom sub dynamic of the total power exchange, right?
• 24:50
  Or whatever it is, right?
• 24:52
  So they have, they have something in place already.
• 24:55
  So the nice thing about mantra, about mantra work is that, is that
• 25:00
  people have experience with it, whether or not they're, whether
• 25:03
  or not they're calling it that.
• 25:05
  And so and so a new.
• 25:08
  And let's face it for new people and into hypnosis on either side of the pocket.
• 25:12
  Watch, one of the hardest things to deal with is imposter
• 25:15
  Buck: Hmm.
• 25:17
  Daniel: right?
• 25:17
  And one of the ways to, one of the ways to circumvent that is to
• 25:22
  do something that can't possibly fail, like a hypnotic mantra.
• 25:26
  Buck: Yeah.
• 25:27
  And it's
• 25:28
  Daniel: It is just play.
• 25:30
  You can't fail at
• 25:31
  Buck: exactly, it's just play you, you can't fail at play.
• 25:35
  You, you know, you just do what you can and it's, it gets into this
• 25:41
  thing of like, you see mantras being used all the time in self-help.
• 25:46
  Where it's, you tell yourself you're confident and it taps into so some,
• 25:54
  someone has once proposed human beings shouldn't be called homoerectus 'cause
• 26:00
  that's not what makes us special.
• 26:02
  Not standing upright.
• 26:03
  Erectus isn't the big thing about us.
• 26:05
  It's that we compared to other primates.
• 26:10
  much better storytellers.
• 26:12
  We are homo,
• 26:14
  Daniel: Mm-hmm.
• 26:15
  Buck: we tell ourselves narratives.
• 26:17
  Daniel: Nice.
• 26:17
  That's beautiful.
• 26:18
  Buck: At the storytelling Ape.
• 26:20
  And we think in terms of stories we tell what we think is us
• 26:24
  telling ourselves a story.
• 26:26
  This is why I get so worried and almost angry at people who
• 26:32
  use a lot of self-deprecating humor because you are just.
• 26:37
  Internally and externally, telling yourself a story about how bad and
• 26:42
  awful and worthless you were, and it does not help you because it
• 26:45
  becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
• 26:47
  You need to tell yourself a story about yourself that is positive, that tells
• 26:54
  you you can do something, and mantras are a very easy and quick way to tell
• 27:01
  yourself a good story about yourself.
• 27:05
  Daniel: Right.
• 27:07
  Buck: Mm-hmm.
• 27:07
  Daniel: some point we should have a conversation about
• 27:10
  storytelling and particularly future
• 27:13
  Buck: Oh, I would love that.
• 27:15
  Daniel: Yeah, we should have that conversation.
• 27:19
  That's a, that's a really big conversation.
• 27:21
  Future pacing is, is, and you can do some future pacing with mantras,
• 27:25
  but it's easier with storytelling.
• 27:27
  That's very exciting.
• 27:29
  Google future pacing
• 27:30
  Buck: Yeah, like that's another thing, which is mantras can change
• 27:36
  over time because they can build if I can give an example of like,
• 27:40
  go back to, I fucking love the gym.
• 27:43
  That started out as, I like the.
• 27:48
  And it built over time.
• 27:49
  And you can build on a previous emotion or a previous expectation and ramp it
• 27:55
  up over time and build like mantra level one, mantra level two, mantra level three,
• 28:01
  by going into more intense language or more expressive synonyms for those words.
• 28:10
  Daniel: right, right.
• 28:13
  Yeah.
• 28:13
  Hm, that happens.
• 28:15
  I mean, that happens a fair amount.
• 28:17
  I mean, oftentimes if I'm installing a trigger on, not a trigger,
• 28:20
  if I'm installing a mantra with someone, then I'm doing it.
• 28:24
  I'm, it evolves to a point to where we're getting to the place where
• 28:29
  we're we land on the thing that we finally want them to say over and over.
• 28:34
  That happened recently at a nameless play event here in the States.
• 28:39
  And, and the person who was my we go every year and the, it's a
• 28:43
  several day event and, and the person who was my instruction subject.
• 28:49
  For my introduction to Hypnosis workshop, and I always close the
• 28:54
  weekend out with each other and usually with me, I do a fair amount.
• 29:00
  I do like tie based massage that I
• 29:02
  Buck: Oh, wow.
• 29:04
  Daniel: And that's how we, that's how we, that's how we close our
• 29:07
  weekends because it's really chill and relaxing for both of us.
• 29:12
  But I remembered that he had said, and it's usually, there's usually.
• 29:17
  It's usually pretty erotic.
• 29:18
  It's usually pretty intimate, right?
• 29:22
  But I remembered that from a pri previous time that he and I had played.
• 29:27
  He had made the comment that he wished he has a really beautiful penis.
• 29:32
  He's physically very beautiful, but he has a really beautiful penis.
• 29:36
  And he said that it's rough for him.
• 29:40
  It's a sort of first world problem, I guess, but it's rough
• 29:43
  for him because everybody wants to see him have an orgasm, right?
• 29:49
  And it's actually, and it is for some man, very hard for him to achieve orgasm.
• 29:54
  And it takes a long time and sometimes a great deal of effort.
• 29:58
  And he gets really self-conscious and uncomfortable about putting his partners
• 30:02
  through that kind of effort, particularly since he's mostly a submissive at heart.
• 30:07
  Even when he's dumbing, he's kind of a service dom.
• 30:09
  Right.
• 30:10
  And he'd rather, he never had to worry about having to have an orgasm.
• 30:14
  Right.
• 30:15
  And we worked at that.
• 30:19
  Right.
• 30:20
  I put him under in the massage and he got pretty excited just from the massage.
• 30:27
  And then when I started talking I noticed that, and I started, I brought
• 30:31
  up the, I actually did bring up the, hard penis, soft brain mantra.
• 30:35
  And he started repeating that and that got him more and more physically excited.
• 30:39
  And, and, and I was, I. Once we were done with the massage part, and
• 30:46
  there wasn't a formal ending to it.
• 30:48
  Right.
• 30:48
  But once I was done giving him, working, doing body work with him, then I
• 30:53
  started manipulating him personally.
• 30:56
  Right.
• 30:56
  I started edging him, not edging him with the intention of getting
• 31:00
  him to come, but edging him with the intention of just giving him pleasure.
• 31:05
  Right.
• 31:06
  And I, I worked on that and I was just talking my way through it and using
• 31:12
  the, the hard penis, soft brain thing and keep kept getting in deeper and
• 31:16
  deeper and more and more fractionated and, and, and until he was pretty soupy.
• 31:22
  And I, I brought up.
• 31:26
  I brought up how lovely it was for him not to have to, now that he was completely
• 31:32
  entrance and now that I had given him this massage and, and was playing with
• 31:36
  his penis, how nice it was not to have to make any decisions with his body.
• 31:41
  And then I brought in, then I finally landed on a mantra that
• 31:45
  was, and I, I wish I could remember how it evolved, but it did evolve.
• 31:49
  It started from one place and ended up.
• 31:52
  I, I was talking about how delicious it was.
• 31:57
  I have a thing I say to a lot of people and that is that, that that
• 32:01
  longing is a kind of state of grace and chastity subjects here will
• 32:05
  completely vibe with what I just said.
• 32:07
  For a lot of people, longing is a state of grace.
• 32:10
  It's something that wanting is better than having in a lot of ways, and
• 32:14
  that's one of the things I said to him.
• 32:15
  Right.
• 32:16
  And that really, very much.
• 32:19
  Physically vibed with him.
• 32:20
  He started moaning and his penis got very much harder.
• 32:24
  And, and, and then I, I, I started repeating over and over again.
• 32:34
  I started repeating how wonderful it was to Wand.
• 32:38
  It feels so good to want, it feels so good to want.
• 32:42
  And that was the mantra we landed on.
• 32:44
  It feels so good to want.
• 32:46
  Right until after a while I was kind of looking at the clock.
• 32:51
  'cause we had an, an event we were gonna go to after this, right?
• 32:54
  But, but, but we actually had arrived at a place, we're creating
• 33:00
  a craving for creating a, a craving, an unresolvable craving for
• 33:09
  release had gotten us both so high.
• 33:13
  And had released him from having to worry about having release because the
• 33:19
  point wasn't his release, it was his craving for the release, which I know
• 33:24
  this is gonna come as no surprise to anybody who does, who does orgasm denial.
• 33:29
  That's a very common kink.
• 33:30
  But, but building that into the mantra, building that into the
• 33:34
  mantra, made it just so that neither of us ever wanted it to end.
• 33:38
  Right.
• 33:38
  We just wanted to continue to stimulate him into this area, into
• 33:43
  this place where he was just this, this little human ball of, of
• 33:48
  Buck: And we are back to Gooning.
• 33:52
  Daniel: and we're back to Gooning.
• 33:53
  Yes.
• 33:53
  And we're back to Gooning.
• 33:55
  But it was, it was, it was beautiful and really moving and, and, and,
• 34:00
  and it's something we, we've been talking about since then.
• 34:02
  So, and yeah, so I'm pretty excited.
• 34:06
  He's gonna actually be my instruction dummy.
• 34:09
  I don't want to say it like that.
• 34:11
  My instruction subject at claw in Columbus in 2026,
• 34:15
  Buck: very nice.
• 34:16
  Yeah.
• 34:16
  Daniel: Yeah.
• 34:17
  Buck: Although I'm pretty sure there are plenty of people, especially
• 34:19
  people in hypnosis who would love to be called an instruction.
• 34:23
  Lovely.
• 34:25
  Yeah.
• 34:25
  Daniel: I'm sure there are.
• 34:26
  Yeah.
• 34:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 34:28
  Buck: Mm-hmm.
• 34:29
  Daniel: is a whole thing, which brings me to my boyfriend's mantra, which is
• 34:35
  also very rhythmic very repetitive.
• 34:39
  It's my body is a toy.
• 34:42
  My heart is a toy.
• 34:44
  My mind is a toy.
• 34:46
  Buck: Oh
• 34:49
  yeah.
• 34:49
  Daniel: It works really well.
• 34:51
  We, we do, we do a combination of objectification and stupid faction
• 34:56
  play what he calls, that's his term.
• 34:58
  By the way.
• 34:58
  I love the term stupid faction play.
• 35:00
  It's beautiful.
• 35:02
  We, we do a lot of that.
• 35:04
  And so my body is a toy.
• 35:06
  My body is a toy.
• 35:07
  My heart is a toy.
• 35:09
  My mind is a toy.
• 35:10
  It just lands exactly right for him.
• 35:13
  And.
• 35:14
  Yeah, one time he, he, he has tattoos now, but the, but the
• 35:19
  first tattoo I ever saw him was a Hannah tattoo that he did himself.
• 35:23
  And he did it really beautifully and it just said toy on his chest.
• 35:28
  Buck: Other three.
• 35:30
  Yeah.
• 35:31
  Daniel: to reflect to, yeah, to reflect.
• 35:33
  It was before a play weekend, so it was to reflect the, it was
• 35:36
  to reflect his mantra, you know,
• 35:39
  Buck: That is really cool.
• 35:41
  Yeah.
• 35:41
  Like my brain is just going off of all these different ranches
• 35:44
  I've heard over the years.
• 35:45
  It's yeah.
• 35:46
  Daniel: Right, right.
• 35:46
  I mean, you and I in particular could talk about any aspect of
• 35:50
  hypnosis, but staying on track with mantras might be a challenge, but
• 35:54
  Buck: Another common one I've seen a lot of people do is, happy horny Himbo.
• 35:59
  Happy horny Himbo.
• 36:01
  Daniel: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 36:02
  Happy horny.
• 36:03
  Himbo.
• 36:03
  Yeah.
• 36:03
  Alliteration.
• 36:04
  Right.
• 36:05
  It's beautiful.
• 36:06
  It's really good.
• 36:07
  Buck: Mm-hmm.
• 36:08
  Daniel: And the reason why that's so good, the reason why, the
• 36:12
  reason why repeated sounds repeated consonants repeated whatever, right?
• 36:17
  Happy horny Himbo.
• 36:19
  The reason why that feels so good is because it lends itself
• 36:25
  to being discarded, right?
• 36:29
  So if, if, i'm pretty sure that the effect of you saying like I had you
• 36:34
  say whatever I had you say earlier is I have you say I am hypnosis.
• 36:38
  Right.
• 36:38
  If I had you say, happy horny, Himbo over and over again, right.
• 36:43
  And then I continued to talk over what you were doing after a while, it would just
• 36:48
  be very automatic for you to say Happy horny Himbo, and it would feel really
• 36:52
  good to say it, but you'd also be able to listen to whatever it is I'm saying.
• 36:56
  Right.
• 36:56
  And that's, that for me is the test of the perfect, of the perfect mantra
• 37:01
  is can they continue to say it even while I'm talking to them and can
• 37:06
  they take on board what I'm saying, even while I'm talking to them.
• 37:10
  Right.
• 37:11
  Buck: Yeah.
• 37:12
  Daniel: Which the reason why that's perfect is because we want
• 37:16
  to, in hypnosis, a big part of our job is to engage with the
• 37:20
  unconscious and that tells me.
• 37:23
  If they're able, if that just turns into, you know, a delicious sound soup that's
• 37:29
  being poured into their ears, right?
• 37:31
  Then that tells me that we are with that mantra, totally engaging with the
• 37:37
  uncon, with the unconscious, and that's exactly our goal or one of our goals.
• 37:44
  So yeah, I like happy Horny
• 37:46
  Buck: Yeah.
• 37:47
  Daniel: huh?
• 37:48
  I'll have to use that with status.
• 37:49
  Buck: It's a good one.
• 37:50
  Alliteration is great.
• 37:53
  Yeah.
• 37:53
  Daniel: is a good one.
• 37:55
  Yeah.
• 37:55
  It's also, it's also the same number of syllables, happy horny
• 37:59
  Buck: Yep.
• 38:00
  Daniel: And it's the same, it's the same meter.
• 38:05
  Happy horny Himbo.
• 38:08
  Right.
• 38:08
  So it's very, it's very sort of sing-song and it, it really lends
• 38:13
  itself to being set automatically, which is, like I said, the
• 38:16
  Buck: Yeah, it's a really good example for a mantra.
• 38:19
  It.
• 38:20
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:21
  Daniel: it is.
• 38:22
  It's what other ones have I used?
• 38:25
  Oh one IU, another one I use that requires a certain amount of setup.
• 38:30
  So I need to have a safety conversation about rope with
• 38:33
  the people I play with, right.
• 38:35
  That I, if I'm gonna do, if I'm gonna to do rope suspension, say with them, which
• 38:40
  I do a fair amount of rope suspension, although less so now that hypnosis has
• 38:44
  eaten my life but I still do a fair amount of a fair amount of rope suspension.
• 38:50
  I have the conversation about safety and about about agency as a rope bunny.
• 38:57
  I have all of those conversations about what, how much they need, how important
• 39:01
  it is that they listen to their bodies.
• 39:04
  Right.
• 39:04
  And that they tell me the moment that anything's wrong, meaning they
• 39:07
  feel tingling or they feel a pain that doesn't feel right, or they're
• 39:11
  feeling, they're starting to feel a little bit of panic or whatever, right.
• 39:15
  Whatever it is that they might need to tell me, they need to
• 39:18
  be able to tell me those things.
• 39:19
  Right?
• 39:20
  And the mantra, the, the thing I say to them is, as with yes, it's its own reward.
• 39:27
  It was important for me to say, the mantra doesn't change the things
• 39:31
  you need to do to protect yourself.
• 39:33
  This mantra doesn't change the things you need to do to protect
• 39:37
  yourself, but I find that the words, the tighter the rope, the better
• 39:42
  the boy eliminates suspension shock.
• 39:47
  Buck: How interesting.
• 39:51
  Daniel: I brand new, what I would call naive rope bunnies.
• 39:55
  People who've never been up in the air before.
• 39:57
  We've never fought gravity with them.
• 40:00
  It eliminates suspension shock.
• 40:02
  They go up and they, they don't have that moment, huh?
• 40:04
  I dunno if I can do this.
• 40:05
  Right.
• 40:06
  They know they can do it because they're a good boy.
• 40:09
  Right.
• 40:10
  They're still listening to their bodies.
• 40:12
  Right.
• 40:12
  And they can still tell me if they need to come down, but for
• 40:15
  that moment it feels really good.
• 40:18
  Right.
• 40:18
  It feels really good because they're being a good boy.
• 40:21
  Right.
• 40:24
  But like I say, some of these things need a little set up, but not hypnosis set up.
• 40:30
  They don't really require much from that, from the hypnotist at all.
• 40:36
  It's probably worth saying that these things get stickier if
• 40:40
  you install them to a trans sub,
• 40:44
  Buck: Yeah.
• 40:45
  Mm-hmm.
• 40:47
  Daniel: right?
• 40:48
  They, they get stickier, that's all.
• 40:52
  And when you're doing, if you're doing, if you're doing the installation,
• 40:55
  you kind of follow all the.
• 40:56
  Sort of post hypnotic suggestion rules, like use some version
• 41:01
  of safe and appropriate, right?
• 41:03
  Buck: Yeah.
• 41:04
  Daniel: you only works when it's safe and appropriate for to work
• 41:07
  or when you want it to work or when you know, whatever you want.
• 41:10
  However you want to word that, right?
• 41:12
  Plus it belongs to you.
• 41:13
  You can use these words whenever you want and you can give them to your
• 41:16
  partners and all of those things you can add into the suggestion.
• 41:20
  Right.
• 41:21
  But if I were to word, if I were to word a suggest, if I were to word say
• 41:26
  the happy horny, Himbo one, right?
• 41:30
  I'd say, you know, we've been together for some time now and I, I know,
• 41:37
  I've noticed I can't help but notice.
• 41:41
  How much you enjoy the sensation of being a Himbo and how good that feels to you.
• 41:46
  Buck: Hmm.
• 41:47
  Daniel: Wouldn't it feel good if you could access that head space,
• 41:51
  that Himbo head space where you didn't have anything to think about,
• 41:55
  where you were just horny and happy?
• 41:58
  Wouldn't it be cool to be able to access that Himbo head
• 42:02
  space, not just when I'm here.
• 42:06
  Buck: Mm-hmm.
• 42:07
  Daniel: and triggering it with something.
• 42:09
  With something like that.
• 42:10
  But on your own, if you wanted to feel, if you wanted to feel sexy
• 42:16
  and, and horny and happy, right.
• 42:18
  And thoughtless not, not having to, not having any thoughts in
• 42:22
  your head in particular, right?
• 42:23
  Wouldn't that be fun?
• 42:27
  And you can signal to me that you agree with that however you like and.
• 42:35
  How about we try this?
• 42:36
  How about you repeat after me Happy horny Himbo.
• 42:40
  And then they repeat happy horny Himbo.
• 42:43
  I say, how does it feel?
• 42:48
  And by the way, you know this, but I'm just gonna say it for people listening.
• 42:55
  A lot of people, when they're in trance, they can't, they prefer not to talk.
• 43:01
  Right.
• 43:02
  So the Ericksonian way around that is to say, I don't know.
• 43:06
  I don't know what part of your right hand is gonna tell me that, that it's,
• 43:09
  that whatever we're doing is, is good.
• 43:12
  I don't know which part of your right hand is gonna tell me yes, but some part
• 43:17
  of your right hand if it's yes, some part of your right hand is gonna tell me yes.
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  And if it's otherwise.
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  If you're not so sure or if we need to talk some more, some part of
• 43:29
  your left hand will tell me that.
• 43:31
  Right?
• 43:32
  And it's a way to make a suggestion that is vague enough that is artfully vague
• 43:36
  enough that the subject will do whatever feels natural in their unconscious
• 43:41
  state, in their, their unconscious will do it, whatever it needs to do to
• 43:45
  let you know whether the answer is yes or no without actually using words.
• 43:51
  So I tend to say things like I, I, I set that up with, with people long before
• 43:55
  I, I try to, I try to add triggers or, or mantras or whatever, right?
• 44:02
  Set up some way for them to signal to me yes or no.
• 44:06
  But setting up the, setting up the mantra, I'm just asking as I go.
• 44:10
  I keep getting, I keep, I keep doing a report check.
• 44:14
  Right.
• 44:14
  I keep open keeping the Yes set open, right?
• 44:18
  And so and so I keep asking, does that feel good as you're,
• 44:24
  as they're saying it, right?
• 44:27
  Does that feel good?
• 44:28
  Yes.
• 44:29
  Good.
• 44:29
  Right?
• 44:29
  And then, then when I do an emergence, when I bring them at
• 44:33
  trance, I say something along the lines of when you come at trance.
• 44:37
  Then you'll find that, that you have access to those words and they do all
• 44:41
  of the things that we said they do.
• 44:43
  And then usually I will repeat all of the things we said, right.
• 44:46
  And then I'll count them up or slap them out, or whatever it is
• 44:49
  I do to bring them out of trance.
• 44:51
  Right?
• 44:51
  And then, and then we fire the, we fire the mantra, which usually
• 44:57
  results in more fractionation and almost immediate trance again, right?
• 45:03
  And then I bring them out of that trance and I. Have them.
• 45:06
  I fire the, the fire, the fire, the mantra again, bring them out of that
• 45:10
  trance and fire the mantra again.
• 45:12
  Bring them outta trance and fire the mantra again over and over again.
• 45:16
  And eventually it gets very sticky.
• 45:21
  And it's remarkable how effective it's, but that's, but that's, that's,
• 45:25
  that's installing it with trans, which oftentimes you don't need to do.
• 45:30
  Buck: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Daniel: Part of the thing to remember about that is that language is always
• 45:35
  suggestive whether or not we have trans
• 45:40
  and a mantra that, I mean, you're gonna get a state change if you find yourself
• 45:47
  repeating horny, happy Himbo, or Happy Horny Himbo over and over again, you're
• 45:53
  gonna get some kind of state change.
• 45:55
  Right.
• 45:56
  Particularly if I'm touching your body or, or holding you while you're, while,
• 46:00
  while that's happening, there's gonna be, there's gonna be a state change.
• 46:04
  Right.
• 46:05
  So you don't even have to worry about
• 46:06
  Buck: Yeah.
• 46:08
  Daniel: It's all hypnosis.
• 46:11
  Buck: Yeah, and it's, I'm not sure what else to say to that.
• 46:15
  Yeah, it like, yeah, it's this, one of these tools where like you can ride the
• 46:21
  line where people aren't fully entranced but it snaps something in that in your
• 46:25
  head that gets you not even suggestible.
• 46:30
  'cause it's not about like taking in new suggestions, it's more about.
• 46:34
  Bringing back up that head space.
• 46:38
  Daniel: right, right.
• 46:42
  Well, so let's, let's you know the term revivification.
• 46:45
  Buck: I do not.
• 46:46
  No.
• 46:48
  Daniel: Okay.
• 46:48
  So that's a, that's a, that's a term that we use in hypnosis to talk about
• 46:53
  it, it gets its inspiration from the idea of reliving an experience.
• 46:59
  Right?
• 46:59
  So, so you, you almost certainly have noticed that you can experience a full
• 47:04
  trance just by having your master, have you relive a trans experience.
• 47:13
  Buck: Mm-hmm.
• 47:13
  Daniel: right.
• 47:13
  He can drop you just by talking about, you remember that time that you were in
• 47:17
  trance the other day when I, you know, and going through all of that, right?
• 47:22
  Well, that's revivification now.
• 47:25
  It actually happens all the time.
• 47:28
  It doesn't just happen in hypnosis, right?
• 47:31
  So if you've ever, have you ever cried at a movie?
• 47:35
  Have you ever.
• 47:37
  At an action movie, have you ever felt your heart beating or gotten really
• 47:41
  excited about it, about whatever, or read a story that, so it doesn't
• 47:45
  even necessarily need to be so o oftentimes, like if you're reading
• 47:50
  a science fiction story that that's getting you excited, or a fantasy
• 47:53
  story that's getting you excited.
• 47:55
  Those aren't necessarily things that you've physically experienced
• 47:58
  or that hey, you have historically experienced, in fact, right?
• 48:02
  But those are things that you can experience.
• 48:05
  Through the venue, through the medium of the story or the movie
• 48:09
  or the whatever it is, right?
• 48:11
  The video game.
• 48:12
  Right.
• 48:13
  You can experience those things that way.
• 48:15
  I mean, I've never in fact even held an actual gun in my life, but
• 48:20
  I've held video game guns, right?
• 48:23
  And I, I feel like I have a version of what holding a gun would be
• 48:28
  like because of, because of that.
• 48:31
  So Revivification also covers things that we haven't experienced yet.
• 48:38
  Although, to be completely honest, I personally, I, there's no
• 48:43
  support for this in any of the literature or academia at all.
• 48:46
  I call that ification just because it's, you know, I don't know.
• 48:51
  It's funny to me.
• 48:54
  The reason why I bring this up, the reason why I want to talk about
• 48:57
  Revivification Revivification is we, it's really useful in hypnosis.
• 49:04
  Obviously we use it all the time in hypnosis not just for revivifying
• 49:09
  trance states, but all, all kinds of, all kinds of hypnotic effects.
• 49:14
  But mantras can, mantras can do that, right?
• 49:17
  Because you, you tag them, you anchor them to certain states and to certain,
• 49:23
  a certain class of experiences, right?
• 49:26
  So every time they say the mantra, after a while, the mantra is going to
• 49:30
  take on a different meaning than the one that was ever intended originally,
• 49:33
  because the, the, the actual states.
• 49:37
  That are being experienced when the mantra is being repeated, actually
• 49:43
  change the experiences that they, that the subject has when they repeat
• 49:46
  the mantras are actually changing the meaning of the mantra and what
• 49:50
  they're revivifying each time.
• 49:52
  Because you, you, you can't have that.
• 49:55
  You can't go back to something that you've done so often, such
• 49:59
  as, I fucking love the gym.
• 50:02
  You can't go back to that every time.
• 50:05
  Without revivifying every previous time that you've used it, right?
• 50:10
  Unconsciously, right.
• 50:12
  You're going, you're flipping through the Rolodex and you're having all
• 50:15
  of those experiences all over again.
• 50:17
  Every time you say that, and I know that's true because of
• 50:21
  the direction that your eyes
• 50:22
  Buck: Yeah.
• 50:22
  Yeah.
• 50:23
  Daniel: so,
• 50:26
  so, so, so the, the.
• 50:31
  So the depth in terms of long-term play with someone, you have an opportunity,
• 50:37
  obviously because you have a master and you have a, a household that uses the,
• 50:41
  the, this particular mantra, right?
• 50:43
  So you have an opportunity to watch as this mantra evolves for you.
• 50:50
  And it may be true that you, you're not even fully aware of all of the
• 50:53
  ways that that particular mantra has evolved for you, but obviously, as
• 50:57
  you already said a little bit ago.
• 51:00
  It has changed.
• 51:01
  Right.
• 51:01
  And particularly maybe the group nature of the mantra has, has changed some
• 51:05
  of that and made it, you've begun to associate that mantra with community in
• 51:09
  addition to service and in addition to how delightful it is to go to the gym, right?
• 51:14
  You've got all of these, all of these associations and those revivify,
• 51:18
  every time you use the mantra,
• 51:21
  Buck: Yeah, like again, the, that goes back to the sort of, discord
• 51:25
  and internet sort of almost mummified one, which we do, which is
• 51:30
  repetition is powerful and effective.
• 51:34
  Daniel: Right, right, right,
• 51:35
  Buck: Yeah.
• 51:36
  Daniel: right.
• 51:37
  But the biggest reason it's powerful and effective is revivification,
• 51:43
  right?
• 51:44
  Because, because we're, because as we repeat things, we're accumulating.
• 51:52
  We're accumulating experience, we're accumulating an emotional, there's
• 51:57
  an emotional charge to it, right?
• 51:58
  That that wasn't there when you started.
• 52:01
  It's delightful.
• 52:03
  Buck: Yeah.
• 52:04
  So we are coming up to time, and I think we've covered this topic fairly in depth.
• 52:12
  Is there anything else you wanted to cover before we wind it down?
• 52:18
  Daniel: Not particularly.
• 52:19
  Buck: Yeah, this has been fantastic as always.
• 52:21
  It's a delight to have you
• 52:23
  Daniel: Right.
• 52:25
  It's really fun.
• 52:26
  We'll have to talk about, you know, hypnotic storytelling
• 52:30
  Buck: I really look forward to that one.
• 52:32
  Like I'm on those nerds that like.
• 52:34
  I'm really into the concept of storytelling as a, I mean, people
• 52:39
  probably picked up from me talking earlier about like the storytelling
• 52:43
  ape and that, like I'm very much into the sort of philosophy of storytelling.
• 52:50
  Daniel: Right.
• 52:51
  Yeah, me too.
• 52:53
  I'm also really into the idea, so I have another brainstorm workshop around
• 53:01
  around storytelling, but it's not to provide a story for people to be able
• 53:06
  to repeat to their, to their subjects.
• 53:08
  It's about, it's about learning how to build a scaffolding on which you can hang,
• 53:12
  hang a, a story that you can improvise.
• 53:15
  Right, which is the foundation of all good storytelling.
• 53:18
  All good storytelling is improvised.
• 53:20
  It's, it's, the best stories are stories that are changed every time you tell
• 53:25
  the story in subtle and delicious ways.
• 53:28
  Right?
• 53:29
  So, yeah.
• 53:30
  Buck: Nice.
• 53:31
  Daniel: Yeah.
• 53:31
  I look forward to telling, talking about
• 53:33
  Buck: Me too.
• 53:34
  Daniel: I mean, any opportunity I have to talk
• 53:36
  Buck: Same, same.
• 53:38
  I I sometimes I think I should just do a spinoff podcast that is just
• 53:42
  the hypnosis podcast, but yeah.
• 53:45
  Cool.
• 53:45
  Daniel: am in.
• 53:46
  No, I'm,
• 53:51
  I don't, I don't think that there's any, I don't think that there's, I keep thinking,
• 53:55
  okay, I'm at 97, I think 90, I've written over a hundred of the, of the shorts.
• 54:03
  And the, so, 'cause I need to, and I need to write more because I'm gonna be away
• 54:09
  from computers and stuff for a few weeks.
• 54:11
  So I need to get my backlog set up 'cause I'm dropping three a week.
• 54:16
  I keep thinking sooner or later you're gonna run out of.
• 54:22
  Compelling things to talk about, but actually it turns out, the more you learn
• 54:26
  about hypnosis, the more you discuss about hypnosis, it keeps moving the, the
• 54:31
  learning horizon further away from you.
• 54:34
  Right.
• 54:34
  There's still, there's so much more to learn.
• 54:36
  You, you open a door and it opens onto a hallway with million door,
• 54:40
  Buck: Yeah, because I mean, you're basically learning how the
• 54:42
  human brain works and how humans interact and communicate, and our
• 54:47
  perception of self, it gets very philoso philosophical very quickly.
• 54:53
  Daniel: Right.
• 54:54
  Right.
• 54:55
  Cool.
• 54:56
  Buck: Yeah.
• 54:56
  Yeah.
• 54:57
  Daniel: Well, thank you so
• 54:58
  Buck: And thank you for coming on and being such a great guest.
• 55:01
  Yes.
• 55:03
  So yes, as usual thank you for coming and as always, listeners,
• 55:08
  repetition is powerful and effective.
• 55:16
  Okay.