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Thinkers we follow: How great minds shape us and challenge us to grow · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  We are faith and fury.
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  Love and fire.
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  This is the human equation.
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  Where every voice counts and every truth cuts deep.
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  With your host, Joseph Packer.
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  Hey, everybody.
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  Welcome to this edition of the Human Equation.
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  I'm your host, Joe Pangaro.
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  Our world is filled with so much craziness and nonsense.
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  It's been the topic of several programs that I've done recently.
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  And just when I think things can't get any stranger, they do.
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  So this is going to be a hodgepodge of topics.
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  You know, this is nice for a Friday night.
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  It's time for us to relax.
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  I have a nice adult beverage here with me right here.
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  Let's say.
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  That's very good.
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  You know, there are some some groups that sponsor what we do here.
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  And I have to be very, very grateful for America Outloud.news, who are the hosts of my program and many other amazing free speech programs.
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  If you want to listen to awesome stuff, but I you know what?
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  I'm going to guess you already know that if you're here listening.
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  And it's interesting because when I get emails and messages from listeners from this show, The Human Equation, and my previous show, Chasing Justice, I not only get people who are conservative Republicans, but I also get a lot of liberal left-wing people.
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  So I know that they're listening to.
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  Now I I often wonder why do they listen.
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  Are they listening to, you know, understand what conservatives are thinking?
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  Are they listening to deepen their understanding of arguments?
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  Or are they just looking for trouble?
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  So in a previous program I did here on the network, I did have uh I'm not going to say the name of it, but a big news group actually must have been listening to my program because a place that I do business with got a phone call from them and said, Do you know that Joe Pangaro is talking about this topic?
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  How do you feel?
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  Now I was very grateful that the organization that they called to complain about me told them basically, go pound salt.
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  Yeah, we know exactly what he talks about, and we agree with him, so go away.
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  Now, anybody who's listened to me here on the human equation, or on my previous program, Chasing Justice, or have read my books, reads my articles, the things that are out there, I would hope you would know by now that I'm a pretty even tempered kind of person.
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  Uh, you know, I don't attack people.
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  I call things out the way I see them.
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  And the purpose of the human equation is really to, you know, not just deal with topical things like we're going to do tonight, but also to deal with deeper topics about being human and the human existence.
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  I guess that's really it.
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  I've always been amazed by the fact that we're all here, that we're we're we're here.
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  And I was listening to Carl Carl Sagan, Carl Sagan, and I was listening to some other um astrophysicists, and their looks at the world.
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  Now I know I'm kind of going in circles here, I'm going around and around.
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  I'm going to get to the point.
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  Those who listen know that I eventually get to the point.
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  But part of what I have always fascinated me about being a human being and living on this planet, is that I think I caught on to it early on in being amazed when I realized that our planet, this uh, you know, the big blue marble is circling a kind of a common star in a in our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy that has between a hundred and three hundred trillion stars, and we're in the one of the outer arms of the galaxy, and our little star is really nothing different than the trillions of other stars that are out there.
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  But here we are alive, and I and I think I'm gonna say in my late teens, these kind of concepts started to really catch my attention.
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  And one of the things that really caught my attention was Stephen Hawking.
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  Now, I I was really appreciative of Stephen Hawking.
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  I I his theories really opened my mind to the world and what was going on out there.
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  But they also made me think more and dig deeper, and I have to say, I I was enamored with Mr.
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  Hawking, who was such a deep thinker, could could see things in the world and the universe and and it its beginnings, its connections, and all that stuff that the average person doesn't see, and it really intrigued me, and it made me start looking.
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  The thing that I think he brought across to me, and I may have mentioned this in a previous episode, but I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring it up to you.
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  It's nice Friday night conversation, is the distances in outer space, the distances between things, you know.
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  Um it is so big, it is so vast, it is it is so mind-boggling that I think that effect, that mind-boggling effect of how big this really is.
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  Once I really say I I I grasped it completely, but all of a sudden I kind of got a feeling that I could sense how big the universe really is.
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  Now we're on this little rock, and that's what I used to say all the time.
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  Uh my wife, I used to drive her crazy, because I would have these moments of of clarity when I would think I would see something important in the universe or our existence as people.
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  And I'd say, Kathy, can you imagine we are living our entire lives, our whole existence on this rock floating around in the middle of nowhere, and here we are.
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  And you know, of course, you know, she would listen to that, and she was a very smart woman, my wife, and she kind of got it, but she she was she made fun of the fact that I was so enamored with it.
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  So Stephen Hawking, like I said, when I first started reading him, uh, reading his books, she got me his books for Christmas, and I started reading them, and I I found a lot of it is very technical.
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  It very deep, and you have to read it a couple of times to understand it, but the long and short of what I got out of it was listening to him and watching him in some videos and some interviews that he did, understanding this man was so limited because of this disease that was taking away everything from him except his mind.
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  Maybe I think that created a parallel for me, that we are the essence of our spirit, we are the essence of our soul, and our bodies really are simply a vehicle to move us around.
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  Right?
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  Isn't that also the nature of religion and the soul, right?
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  The body is simply a vehicle to move us around and our consciousness and our soul leave the body when we die and they go somewhere else.
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  Now, some people believe they go nowhere, other people believe they go off to a religious experience to heaven.
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  In my case, I'm a Roman Catholic, so I think we go off to heaven, right?
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  And when I read this, and and I and I started to understand, you know, if anybody's read a brief history of time, the books by by Stephen Hawking.
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  They are hard to get through because he's brilliant, and if you're not brilliant, you just want to understand his theories and what he's talking about, and he talks about there's spin one and spin two and reverse spin of a molecule of a thing.
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  That can get a little overwhelming.
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  But in the overall, as he explains a brief history of time and what time means and how did time and space begin and the big bang and all of that, it's a it's a bigger picture.
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  It's a bigger picture that for whatever reason, because I think I was interested in it, I let myself go past the pieces that I didn't understand to try and get the message and then go back and learn the pieces I didn't understand.
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  It's kind of like watching a movie.
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  You know, some people can watch a movie and they think it's a totally preposperate proposper, I can't say that word.
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  Preposperous.
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  I can't say the word.
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  Um that's always the word.
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  Uh a ridiculous premise for a movie.
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  It's absurd, the storyline is ridiculous, the timeline, what happens is absurd.
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  And then other people are able to suspend their disbelief and just listen to the story that the movie is telling or the novel is telling, or whatever, and enjoy the story for what it is.
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  Well, that's kind of what I did with Stephen Hawking.
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  I had to suspend my disbelief, and in my case, not necessarily disbelief, but my inability to understand everything he was saying, and draw from that the message that he was trying to give.
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  Now that's a long way of saying that I really connected with this guy.
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  And at one of his videos or his his books or something that I had read, at the end of it, he's trying to put this all together to make an understanding of what is.
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  This life.
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  Who are we?
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  What are we doing here on this rock spinning in space in the middle of nowhere?
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  And we have these relationships with each other.
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  We have we have love.
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  We have families.
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  We can think, we can imagine the universe and what's out there.
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  And I I found such connection to that.
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  And at the end of a certain part in his life, his conclusion, this brilliant man who could understand things I couldn't even imagine, and he could understand.
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  He said, the only explanation for all of this is God.
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  Now, I was on a journey.
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  Not a big journey, but I was on a journey.
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  My family was always religious, but we were not always church going.
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  We were Christmas, Easter, and special church things that happen in your family.
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  That's that's when we went to church.
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  And as I got older, I had a uh a more of a interest in, you know, okay, what is this God thing?
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  What's this all about?
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  And I started to research it and look at it and read about it and look inward to my own my own thoughts and beliefs, you know, what are we all about?
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  So therefore, it the juxtaposition of those two things, you know, science and faith and all that, we're really coming together, and Stephen Hawking spoke to me.
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  And when I heard this man that I respected, now granted, let's let's look at the fact that you're talking about 17, 18, 19, maybe up to 25-year-old Joe, who I'm reasonably intelligent.
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  I have a hundred and forty-three IQ last time I was tested.
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  So I'm a pretty smart guy.
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  Um but when I combined all the things he was saying with the journey that I was on, and when this man that I respected, and that's really the key to everything.
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  We listen to people we respect, don't we?
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  If we don't respect somebody, it doesn't matter what they say, we don't really care about how many that's how many people respect Kamala Harris and think she was, oh, she would have been a great president, because they respect her or her position, right?
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  We all know in reality, she wouldn't have been a great president, she'd been horrible.
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  But that's another story, that's another show.
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  But my point is if you respect someone, you you listen to them a little closer.
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  Their words mean a little more, have a little more credibility.
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  And I'm on this journey that I was on, when I heard Stephen Hawking say, the only thing that can account for all of this is God.
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  It was I was uh I don't want to use the term, but I guess I have to I was thunderstruck.
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  At that point in my life, it seemed to really make a difference that it's like it's like, wow, there it is.
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  I was on a journey to try and understand, you know, what's a god?
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  Is there a God?
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  Are we really uh, you know, soul creatures, or is this really just a response to things we didn't understand?
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  And when I when I heard this man of science, and I think that's what it was, this man of science who was not outwardly religious, he was trying to figure out what he was seeing in in the sky, and he was a mathematician.
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  I wasn't a mathematician, but I understood the the power of mathematics.
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  It's really, it's at the essence of everything in this universe.
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  And the more you learn about that, the more you can really find that amazing.
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  But that's a whole nother story, too.
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  But when I listened to him, and here's this man I respected, a man of science, not a man of religion, when he says, Boom, ring the bell, the only thing that can explain all of this is God.
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  I was thunderstruck.
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  I was like, I may not understand everything here, but it was more of a feeling.
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  I have to say that's what it was.
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  It was more of a feeling when I heard that, is that I I didn't have all the mental connections to everything he was saying, and I didn't have all the connections to the things I was thinking about on my journey, but when he said that, and it rung that bell, the two things that I was searching for, truth, understanding, religious understanding, just seemed to meld together.
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  And not that I could point out, well, let me give you facts from A and column B and column C.
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  It just seemed right.
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  Right?
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  Is is that a thing?
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  Don't we have those kind of things in life?
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  We can't really put our finger on it, but it seems right.
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  Well, that's the kind of feeling I had when I heard this.
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  And I found it interesting.
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  And I wrote to Stephen Hawking.
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  I wrote a letter to him.
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  Um Dear Mr.
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  Hawking, I read your books, I listened to your thing, and you were profound when you, you know, all the things I'm sure millions of people have written to this guy.
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  And I thought, well, you know, it's nice that I wrote it.
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  Why did I write it?
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  I thought it was it was cathartic for me that I would write to this man and and voice uh and actually put my thoughts and my and my feelings into writing and then send it off to him.
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  Okay, let me send it.
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  I did it.
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  I looked up his address, and it was at Cambridge University, was probably his mail collection area.
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  Um he was a uh professor there at some point, and I think they collected all his mails, probably a foundation and all that thing.
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  Well, lo and behold, about six months later, I get a letter in the mail from Cambridge University, and it was an assistant to Stephen Hawking writing back to me.
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  Now, of course, Mr.
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  Hawking couldn't write a letter.
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  He was suffering from a serious disease which pretty much paralyzed his entire body.
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  He spoke through a machine by you know blowing air into a tube, you know, amazing technology, but and that's what I mean.
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  This guy was rendered zero in the world that you and I live in, but his brain was not zero.
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  His brain was bigger than the universe.
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  And and that maybe that doesn't impress you.
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  That impressed the hell out of me.
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  I mean, I I saw that and I said, that is the essence of what we are.
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  Here's this guy's entire body is destroyed, but his brain can understand the universe.
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  That was pretty powerful to young Joe Bangaro.
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  And I wrote to him, and he wrote back to me.
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  Now, there was a quote or two in the letter from his assistant who wrote back and said, obviously, Professor Hawking cannot physically write the letter, but I did discuss your letter with him, and he wants you to know the following.
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  And I don't I don't have the letter in front of me.
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  I've actually uh I have it put away so that I could save it forever and ever.
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  And it's weird, it's in a file of people that I've corresponded with in the course of my life to try and ask them.
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  One of them in another one, it's gonna sound funny.
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  You have Stephen Hawking, this great thinker, astrophysicist and all this, and also in there is uh, you know, uh the son of Sam Killer.
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  I I wrote to him and he wrote back to me, you know, because I was doing a crime thing on it.
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  But anyway, long long and short of it.
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  So he wrote back to me, and you know, I appreciate your thoughts, and you know, trying to understand the universe is what I've all been about.
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  Well, I was even more enamored now with this guy.
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  And that, wow, maybe I'm a little further along in my journey, I think was my thought when he wrote back to me.
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  And I think the point of my story here, as lengthy as it is, um, my go-round here is that I I think it connects a lot of things.
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  So here's my my thoughts on the world, and here's a person I thought could give me some clarity, and a person that I appreciated how they saw the world, all that kind of thing.
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  And he writes back to me and he says, Yes, I understand, and this is the conclusion I've come to.
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  Well, about five or six years later, you talk about, you know, the other shoe dropping, um, be I I I don't want to say being disappointed by your uh your idols, you know, it's like they say, you know, you you have an idol, a movie star, rock star, or a writer, and then you meet them in person, and they're nothing like what you imagined, what you had built up in your mind.
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  Well, I had built this man up in my mind, uh, I listened to his words, they they meant something to me.
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  And then, five or six years after that letter, Stephen Hawking came out with uh an article in an interview where he said he is basically reviewed everything he's thought previously, because he was constantly on a journey to understand.
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  No matter what you think of him, you have to appreciate that.
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  Here's a guy confined to simply his the four corners of his brain, because he had no body left to function, and he was still thinking and trying to understand.
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  And he comes out and he says, I have to conclude that there is no God.
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  Now, this was disorienting to me.
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  This was disorienting because his previous works, all his his searching to understand the stars and you know, this this rock floating through space, and what are we doing here?
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  What's the meaning of our lives and all of that?
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  And when he came down to kind of exact same thing I was just talking about, not so much that he could lay it out and write it down, but it felt right.
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  The only thing it can be is God.
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  And that was profound because that is kind of what I was feeling.
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  And it kind of made me feel like, okay, well, here's this genius and
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  He's come to the same conclusion I've kind of clumped come to, but okay, uh we're good.
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  And then for five or six years later, for him said, I thought about it again, and it's pretty clear there is no God.
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  You're we're pretty much just here.
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  This is we're just a happenstance.
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  However, we ended up here, there is no God.
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  And it was devastating to me.
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  It was devastating to me, not in that it changed my belief in whether it's not the God, because in the in the years from my twenties to now in my sixties, my own research, my own life experience, my own uh search for the truth, search for our place, search for understanding, has led me to the conclusion that there really is no other explanation for this than God.
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  Um but it was disappointing to young Joe to have this guy that I looked up to that I thought that that really gave me reference.
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  I guess that's the way to look at he gave me reference to this whole world.
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  It was like I felt connected to him in the fact that I knew he was like way smarter than I was.
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  He was in another realm of intelligence, even though I had 143 IQ, he probably had a 243 IQ.
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  You know, things that don't make sense to people were clear to him.
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  And that's kind of how intelligence works, right?
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  So you gotta figure if you have uh you're in the higher realms.
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  You have 125 IQ, and you hear about a problem.
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  Well, you see the problem in in many different angles you see from.
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  But somebody's got a 95 IQ, they might only see one angle or an angle and a half, where you got 125, you see four angles, right?
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  So and I'm imagining that this guy Hawking, who's gotta be way past me, he's got to be seeing a hundred angles that I'm not seeing.
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  And I had a really I had to really consider because if you know anything about me listening to my shows, is that I talk about I would rather be correct than right.
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  Uh you know what I mean?
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  Or I'd rather be right than correct.
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  Whatever it is, I'd rather know the truth.
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  I would rather understand the truth, even if it contradicts what I believe or what I want to believe.
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  And I think this is a problem that many people have that they get to the point where they're looking at things the way they want to believe it, and anything that backs that up, they think that's right, that's correct.
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  And anything that takes away from what they want to believe is wrong.
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  It's not right.
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  And and I don't think that's the best way to look at things, because I don't think he gives you a true picture of reality.
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  So long and short of it is that here's this guy I looked up to that I thought was amazing, that gave me insight that helped me to think differently about the universe and the world.
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  And his initial conclusion that, hey, there's uh there's nothing else it can be but God, and it was more of a feeling deduction of everything in his life, which was the same things I was feeling, and you know, okay, now I know I know what it is, now I gotta go back and find all the truths, right?
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  That find all the truth.
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  And then for him to go five years, just only five years, you're now fast five years ago to say, no, I've rethought it, and there is no God.
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  That was difficult.
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  That was difficult.
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  Talk about meeting your idol.
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  And I don't want to say that I was angry with him for that, but a part of me I think was.
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  I'm trying to be honest about it.
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  I think a part of me was angry with him because I thought he had it right the first time.
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  I thought he had it right the first time.
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  It it it felt right.
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  You see what I'm saying?
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  It felt right.
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  And I and that's why I'm asking all of us.
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  I think we can all understand when we experience something, and we may not be able to put our finger on it 100%, but it feels right, or sometimes it feels wrong.
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  We know it's just wrong.
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  And we shouldn't do it, but we shouldn't be involved in it.
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  And over time, again, as a thinker, and and I think I am a thinker, I had to look at that and go I think he's wrong.
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  But I think the reality is that because I gave him so much credit in my life, it was hard to take that credit away from him just because all of a sudden he changes his point of view, and now it goes against what I believe, so therefore should I be angry with him for that, and I had to work my way through it.
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  I think this is a lesson in thinking.
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  This is a lesson in thinking.
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  I know it was for me.
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  And I'm not telling you how to think.
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  You everybody out there, you do your own thing.
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  But I do have a lot of people that see I'm gonna try and connect all this together in our last couple of minutes in this part of our show.
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  Is I do have a lot of people that write to me about what I talk about and the points of view that I have and the experiences that I discuss.
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  And if they disagree with me, they are vehement.
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  They lose their minds.
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  They can't really think.
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  They go on emotion, they're yelling and screaming.
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  I said something that counteracts their world.
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  Now I juxtapose how I reacted to someone that I trusted, I cared about, I believed in, I learned from, and when they changed their point of view that went that now went against what I believe, what I've learned to believe, what I've grown to believe based on my journey.
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  How did I react to it?
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  Well, initially I got mad at him, and I think you I think we could see the connection.
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  So people all believe A B C D.
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  Let's use our liberal and conservative friends.
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  Our liberal friends believe certain things, and as long as you believe them too, you can get along great.
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  You can have a great relationship with them.
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  The minute you step outside that box and you disagree with them, they lose their minds, they get angry, they flip out, they yell and scream, they don't want to be with you.
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  Well, that's kind of how I felt when Stephen Hawking changed his point of view, his understanding of the universe, his conclusion that, yeah, I rethought it, and there is no God.
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  My my reaction was to be hurt, upset, confused, and then angry that this person disagreed with what I have learned over the rest of my life to my experiences, my thoughts, my research on who we are and why we're here and why we could be here in a context of a religious understanding, in the context of simply living beings, you know, what are what are we doing?
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  You have to look at that.
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  Are we just happenstance and we happen to have intelligence, or are we divinely inspired, as religion tells us?
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  And I found it interesting so much so I had to reflect on it many, many times that wow, I got angry with Stephen Hawking.
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  Since then, I've gotten over my anger.
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  And I've reviewed the situation, and I realized that he's perfectly entitled to change his mind.
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  His experiences, his thoughts told him something different, and he expressed it.
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  Doesn't change me as an adult now in my thinking process to what I think the world really is.
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  And I'm no longer angry with him.
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  I'm grateful to him for opening the world to me to allow me to think.
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  And what I think is that while he was a great man and he was an amazing thinker, and he had great thoughts.
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  I think he's wrong.
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  I think we are special, and there is something to this world more than happenstance.
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  All right, so that's my first opening thoughts here.
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  Hey, now listen.
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  Um there are there are groups that I'm attached to that sponsor what I do.
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  Right?
• 31:48
  They support me because I write a lot.
• 31:51
  I write books, I write articles, I write safety manual.
• 31:57
  I do a ton of stuff out there in the world.
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  I do this radio show.
• 32:01
  I do a couple of podcasts, I do a police podcast on YouTube, and it's also on all the other podcast locations.
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  It's called The Blue Heart Webcast.
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  So if you go to YouTube, YouTube.com slash Blue Heart Webcast, you will see Lieutenant Joe's police-based webcast.
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  So if you hate the police, don't go look at it because it'll disturb you.
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  I talk about police and I try to rationalize and understand and know the truth about what happens with police in our world.
• 32:33
  What's the value?
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  I talk about training.
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  I talk about psychological things that police look at.
• 32:38
  It's really very interesting if you like that stuff.
• 32:42
  But if you're just a hater of the police, you probably wouldn't like it.
• 32:46
  I have another podcast.
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  It's called Hope Is Not a Tactic.
• 32:52
  Hope is not a tactic.
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  It's the school safety and security show.
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  But it's really about any facilities, safety and security.
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  Hospitals, religious facilities, businesses.
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  You know, I do threat assessments.
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  I go around and trying to keep people safe.
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  You can find that at YouTube.com slash hope is not a tactic.
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  And uh you can go there and see when I I have lessons on how to do drills, how to do things, understanding safety and security.
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  It's all good.
• 33:18
  So who supports me in that?
• 33:21
  Well, there are some people out there in the world, companies out there in the world that are really important for getting this out.
• 33:29
  So America Outloud.news and the great Malcolm Outloud, who's given me this platform to talk to you.
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  Um, I have to say is amazing.
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  Because this is really this is the ultimate in um free speech.
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  Nobody I've been on, I've been on this platform since 2018, and I've talked about some controversial things.
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  I've said some crazy things, I've said some cool things, I've done funny shows, I've had guests on that are mainstream, non-mainstream.
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  Never once have I received a text, an email, a phone call from anybody in this network to say, hey, listen, I want you to talk about this.
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  I want you to push this point of view.
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  Don't talk about that.
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  Say this, say that.
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  Never ever once.
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  The only instruction I was given when I was offered this platform is be honest, be sincere, and bring your opinions to the airways.
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  That's it.
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  That is the essence of free speech.
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  So I've had people over these years, since oh I'm telling you, since 2018, that's a long time.
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  Um agree with me, disagree with me, like me, dislike me, and I don't take any of it personal.
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  I take it all awesome that I get to have a platform.
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  So America Outloud.news is the place.
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  Now, I'm going to tell you about something awesome.
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  If you go to the go to the website, America Outloud.news, go there.
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  You see all the uh the authors, all the podcast hosts, the radio show hosts, everything that's on there.
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  There is so much content for everybody.
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  There's something for everybody.
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  Um I encourage you to go there.
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  But this is the 10-year anniversary of America Out Loud Network.
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  And the great Malcolm Out Loud who brought this to the country.
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  I remember when he first started and he reached out to me.
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  I heard you on a couple of things.
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  Do you think you want to come on a program?
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  And next thing you know, do you want to do a program?
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  Do you do you want to speak to the world?
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  I was like, yeah, that would be great, right?
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  This guy just wanted opinions.
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  And again, nobody ever told me what to talk about, what to hold back on, what to say, what not to say.
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  Amazing.
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  So this coming July.
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  This coming July is going to be our first convention.
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  America Outloud.news is having a convention in Nashville, Tennessee, the heartland of America, July 2nd through July 5th, I think it is.
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  Go to America Outloud.news and look up the event.
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  It's going to be amazing.
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  If you are red, white, and blue, if you are American, if you love America, if you love free speech, if you are about tradition.
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  If you about everything, everything that's on this network is going to be represented at that convention.
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  It's it's a ten year celebration of this network.
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  And it's also a celebration of America.
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  And it's an it's going to be an awesome convention.
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  I'm going to be there.
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  I'm going down there.
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  I'm going to see all the different events.
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  Uh I'm going to meet and greet all the people, the listeners, the people who have written to me, the people, and I don't care if the your people who liked me or don't like me.
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  Let's just be nice to each other and have a cocktail and talk about things, right?
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  I'm all about it.
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  I'm telling you, you want to be a part of this.
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  This is this is that moment.
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  This is that moment in free speech where we all talk about all we support free speech.
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  I support free speech.
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  Well, you know what?
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  There's a lot of forces in the world and in our country that are against free speech, because free speech, go back and listen to any of my previous shows.
• 37:19
  What have I said?
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  Free speech is the linchpin of all of our other rights.
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  If you don't have free speech, you don't have anything else.
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  And America Out Loud is the bastion of free speech.
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  And we're having a convention.
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  It's going to be awesome.
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  We can have people that are like-minded, do people who don't think the same things.
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  Go look it up.
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  Go America Outloud.news and look up the convention.
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  I'm telling you, it's going to be awesome.
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  And I can't wait to get there.
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  In Nashville, Tennessee in July.
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  So they are a great part of my life that they allow me to have this platform.
• 38:00
  Who else helps Joe Pangaro to have a voice out there in the world?
• 38:05
  Well, my publisher is Blue360 Media.com.
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  They are a publisher of all things law enforcement.
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  They publish manuals, they publish rules, updated laws, all for law enforcement and attorneys.
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  And they publish my book.
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  So currently I have two books out.
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  My first book was called The Interview.
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  This is about how to conduct a professional complete thorough interview.
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  And it's a soup to nuts.
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  And if you want to, if you ever have to interview anybody, not just in a criminal stance, in anybody, you'd want to go get that book.
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  And it's not expensive.
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  But you go to America Outloud.news.
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  It's on our book platform, but you can go to the publisher.
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  Blue360 Media.com.
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  I'm also on Amazon.
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  Look at that.
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  Joe Prangaro's on Amazon.
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  Then my second book is called The Investigation.
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  Also published by Blue360Media.com.
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  It's also on the America Outloud.news uh publishers area.
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  You can go get it there.
• 39:07
  This is an interesting book.
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  This is um it's a different way to teach criminal investigation.
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  So what I did is I took a really brutal double homicide that I investigated.
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  Really, I was really terribly brutal.
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  And I started writing it as a screenplay.
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  It was so crazy.
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  Uh it involves a real mafia family, though the killings have nothing to do with the mafia.
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  Uh, but real, like made people were involved in this to family.
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  Um brutality, unbelievable.
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  And then the investigation and the interview of the suspect and the crazy trial are just unbelievable.
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  So I thought it would make a great movie.
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  I know still will.
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  Um, but I thought it'd be a book.
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  My publisher says, hey, how about you tell the story like a novel and then stop at different points and teach about what you
• 40:00
  You just talked about.
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  So here's how it goes.
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  Our killer went from point A to point B.
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  And I talk about if you're an investigator, here's how you would have followed that person electronically, physically, photographs through all the digital world that we have out there.
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  How could I have tracked this person from point A to point B?
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  Point B, of course, is where the murders took place.
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  Brutal, horrible murders.
• 40:25
  So then we continue the story, and I talk about what he did at the scene of the murder, how he killed these two people and the horrible things he did to them.
• 40:33
  It's really unbelievable.
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  And he comes outside, and I stop and I said, okay, now let's go back into crime scene.
• 40:40
  And I teach you everything you need to know about the crime scene, how to evaluate it, how to deal with it, how to diagram it, how to document it.
• 40:49
  Really an awesome kind of a thing.
• 40:51
  Then he gets arrested, and I talk about the interview of the guy and what happened in that interview and how to prepare for a major case trial.
• 41:00
  We're talking a huge trial.
• 41:02
  This was uh a prominent family, a mafia family, a very high profile double killing that had so many crazy things involved in it, um, and how do you deal with that?
• 41:15
  So it's a great read if you like crime stuff in general, which lots of people do.
• 41:21
  But if you know anybody in law enforcement and you want to help them, get them my books, right?
• 41:25
  They're really good.
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  They're from Blue360 Media.com.
• 41:29
  Uh, really an awesome place, or here on the America Out Loud.news bookstore.
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  You can go in and get my stuff, all right.
• 41:37
  Now there is another sponsor of what I do.
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  They are New Jersey centric.
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  And I know lots of people from New Jersey listen to my show here, and I appreciate that.
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  If you work for any kind of a government entity, anything at all.
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  If you are a school teacher, a police officer, uh, EMS, do you work for the county, the state, even the feds in New Jersey, anybody that works for any government entity, our health is extremely important.
• 42:06
  You know, we listen on this network.
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  There's lots of uh doctors that have programs about being healthy.
• 42:11
  How do you know if you're healthy or not?
• 42:12
  Well, you've got to get screened.
• 42:14
  And when we're young, we don't get that screening because we're we're young, we're young, healthy men and women.
• 42:18
  We don't we got the whole world ahead of us, nothing's gonna get us, and then you get into your 50s and the check engine light comes on, and next thing you know, well, you could have found this out 20 years ago and saved yourself.
• 42:28
  So there's a company out there that knew I was focusing on law enforcement and schools and businesses and teachers.
• 42:36
  They're called Medical Essential Diagnostics.com, Medical Essential Diagnostics.com.
• 42:43
  They are a group of really dedicated individuals that have created um a screening, a health screening program for anybody that works in government in any way, shape, or form.
• 42:55
  Right now they're only in New Jersey, but I know like I said, there's a lot of people from Jersey listening.
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  You go to a medical essential diagnostics.com, and you and two adults in your family, two adults and you can go in, and there's six locations in the state of New Jersey.
• 43:10
  You can get screened, and you can find out there's anything wrong that's building up that's going to take you out before your time, right?
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  And then you can get help, you can get medical help, and you can survive.
• 43:22
  How many people end up dying young?
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  They didn't know.
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  If they went to somebody, got screened, they might have found out.
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  They have lots of case stories of people who went to their screening.
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  Now, what's uh well well, let me cover this first.
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  The screening is there's no cost out of pocket to you or the two people you bring, two adults that you bring with you mother, father, children, it doesn't matter.
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  They accept any insurance that you have and they do the screening, and then they give you the records of what they find, and they do uh every kind of test you can imagine to find out there's something wrong with you, so you can catch it early.
• 43:56
  And the stories that they have are people that went in, cops, firemen, teachers that went in, oh do my screening, and they found out they had horrible heart conditions, or they had some other kind of condition that would have killed them, and they never would have known about it.
• 44:10
  It was a silent kind of a thing.
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  So these are the people that support me.
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  America Outloud.news supports me and lets me be here with you, and I couldn't be more grateful to that.
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  Um Blue360 Media.com.
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  They publish my books and they offer me opportunities to teach and bring my experience to the men and women of law enforcement, uh, and then medical essential diagnostics who just want to keep us all alive, right?
• 44:34
  Eventually they'll be in other states.
• 44:35
  Right now they're just in New Jersey, but you know, I want to thank them all with this platform that I'm blessed that I have.
• 44:43
  Alright, so here we are, enjoying our evening together, and there's topical things going on out there.
• 44:51
  Now, my last couple of shows dealt with some really big topical things.
• 44:58
  And one of the things that I had talked about was the original um law enforcement interaction with Renee Good, where she lost her life trying to run down a an officer.
• 45:11
  And if you listen, if you listen, all my friends on the left out there, they're in their basement right now in their underwear with crayons writing down what I'm saying.
• 45:18
  Um I think I was pretty fair in my analysis of what happened to Renee Good and what mistakes were made on her part and how it ended up her life being taken uh because of the things that she did.
• 45:31
  I've covered that pretty clearly.
• 45:34
  Um, you know, I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm a decent human being, I don't want anybody to get hurt.
• 45:40
  Nobody in law enforcement does, and to see that woman lose her life was horrible.
• 45:45
  And I tried to be very, very clear in my analysis of what happened there.
• 45:50
  You know, it's not just the cops are always right, because you know what, cops aren't always right, even though I come from law enforcement, and that's what I'm all about.
• 45:57
  We're not always right.
• 45:58
  We're human beings, we make mistakes, we do things, we do things wrong sometimes purposely, and that's the remedy for that is punishment, no doubt about it.
• 46:10
  Uh and we do things wrong sometimes from our heart, trying to do the right thing, and it goes sideways.
• 46:16
  And that's retraining.
• 46:18
  That's understanding, because they're just people, they're human beings.
• 46:20
  You know, when your plumber does something horrible, it doesn't really affect us.
• 46:24
  When a cop does something horrible accidentally or on purpose, it really affects society.
• 46:30
  So I've been trying to be pretty clear about what happened to Renee and how those circumstances, while unfortunate, were really brought on by her.
• 46:39
  Okay.
• 46:40
  Then we had this second shooting, which was topic of a program I did very recently.
• 46:47
  You might have heard it recently, where um Alex Pretti, I think that's exactly how he said Alex Pretti, a nurse, uh got involved in a confrontation with the uh everybody says ICE, it was actually border patrol, they're out there helping to.
• 47:02
  And in this confrontation, Alex uh was shot and killed.
• 47:08
  Uh and it tragic any time a citizen loses their life involved in an interaction with law enforcement, uh, very bad.
• 47:16
  But this one was different than the Renee Good shooting, and I went into it in great detail.
• 47:21
  So if you didn't hear that program, you want to go back and you want to listen to it.
• 47:26
  Now there's one particular listener out there who is diametrically opposed to me politically, and she does write to me.
• 47:35
  And I don't want to mention her name here, it's a privacy thing.
• 47:38
  I thank her for reaching out to me, but her bias shows, right?
• 47:44
  She she seems like a very intelligent woman, but her bias shows in the things that she says.
• 47:50
  So her email to me recently was she after the second shooting, Alex Pretty.
• 47:57
  She can't wait for for Joe Pangaro's take on this situation.
• 48:01
  It's probably gonna be, you know, pro-cop comply or die.
• 48:06
  And that really affected me.
• 48:08
  Because I think I think I'm a pretty good decent person.
• 48:12
  I I I don't want anybody to get hurt.
• 48:14
  I care for I care about everybody.
• 48:16
  You know, I don't care what ideology you have, what lifestyle they have, I really don't care.
• 48:20
  People are people, and we're all in this together, right?
• 48:24
  And while I may disagree with your choices, I don't hate anybody.
• 48:29
  I don't say, Oh I hate those people, I hate those.
• 48:32
  I don't hate anybody.
• 48:34
  You know, uh, it's ridiculous.
• 48:35
  And the way this this woman wrote to me was disturbing to me because uh she presumed things about me that she has no idea who I am.
• 48:47
  She's just listening to my show, and she was not listening to the way that I present my facts.
• 48:53
  So I did a show, and I think it ran yesterday, but if not, you can go back and look at it.
• 49:00
  And I think it was titled Another Death in Minnesota.
• 49:04
  And I think of all the things that are out there on the news, the internet, social media, everywhere.
• 49:11
  My program, I think, is pretty good.
• 49:15
  Um I I really thought it through as best as I could present the facts of the case and an understanding from a law enforcement point of view, and just a regular American's point of view, looking at that tragedy of Alex Pready losing his life.
• 49:33
  Horrible, terrible for everybody involved, all of us as citizens, for him personally, his family, and for uh law enforcement, and the officer that ended up shooting him, and there could be more than one, I don't know.
• 49:45
  There was a lot of shots fired, we don't know who fired them all.
• 49:47
  That's still under investigation.
• 49:49
  But this person wrote to me, and she might think I don't like her, but I really do.
• 49:55
  Um, because I don't dislike anybody.
• 49:57
  I like that she reached out to me, and she was.
• 50:00
  Willing to voice her opinion, but like I said, her opinion is clearly biased.
• 50:04
  She's clearly suffering from Trump derangement syndrome.
• 50:07
  It didn't seem that she could look past anything and look at facts.
• 50:12
  Like most people.
• 50:13
  They do and this is what I said in the beginning of this get together, right?
• 50:17
  Is that people perceive things a certain way, and that's how they that's how they see it, and they don't want to see beyond it.
• 50:23
  I want to see beyond just my perceptions, right?
• 50:26
  And that's that's called being a thinker.
• 50:28
  So I'm trying to offer that out there, right.
• 50:32
  So in this most recent thing, uh, it was hard for me to hard for me to watch what happened.
• 50:39
  Because there's a lot of facts, a lot of things that went on that the video tells us, right?
• 50:42
  And we have to be aware of it.
• 50:44
  But guess what?
• 50:46
  New video has now come out of Mr.
• 50:48
  Pretty.
• 50:50
  So interesting things.
• 50:52
  It shows some bias in the media, shows uh manipulation, it shows how uh groups are using this one way or another.
• 51:02
  So we saw Mr.
• 51:04
  Pretty.
• 51:04
  I don't know if it's pretty or pretty.
• 51:06
  I'm not being disrespectful.
• 51:08
  I want to say his name correctly, right?
• 51:10
  With a name like Pangaro, people call me Pangaira Pangino Parano Pagano.
• 51:14
  It doesn't really bother me, but some people it really does, and I want to get his name right.
• 51:17
  I'm not trying to call him names.
• 51:20
  I think it's pretty, other people said it pretty.
• 51:22
  I don't know.
• 51:23
  However, it is Mr.
• 51:25
  Pretti.
• 51:26
  Um I see this new video.
• 51:29
  Now we were told by the media that he was the perfect man.
• 51:35
  He was the guy you'd want your daughter to bring home.
• 51:39
  He is polite.
• 51:41
  He is one he's a nurse, and believe me, I love nurses.
• 51:45
  I love teachers.
• 51:46
  I I've been around these people my whole career.
• 51:49
  They are they are awesome people overall.
• 51:51
  They are absolutely amazing and awesome people.
• 51:54
  They dedicate their lives to serving all of us, like our cops do, like our ICE officers do, right?
• 52:01
  This is a unique group of people, these first responders, EMS people.
• 52:05
  Well, we were told that Mr.
• 52:07
  Pretti is just like the perfect man.
• 52:11
  He was just a decent guy who was upset that uh people in his community were being grabbed off the street and being arrested and this, that's the narrative that was pushed.
• 52:23
  Now, our media, we know our media is corrupt.
• 52:26
  The reality is our media is corrupt.
• 52:30
  They are not out there just to report the news to report both sides so that you can make a decision based on the facts in front of you.
• 52:38
  They are biased and they present a particular point of view.
• 52:42
  And the facts be damned if they go against what they're trying to present.
• 52:48
  Unlike America Out Loud.news, which presents speakers and talkers who are presenting their point of view, and you decide, right?
• 52:57
  So what were we told about Mr.
• 53:00
  Pready?
• 53:00
  These you know, they I think I don't I don't want to say Nora O'Donnell, because I'm probably getting that wrong.
• 53:06
  I don't even know if she's still on the news, but a a I think it was an NBC reporter came out and just gushed about this guy.
• 53:14
  He's the greatest guy, he's uh he's he's serving veterans in the hospital, he's he's a man of of compassion and love.
• 53:22
  You know what?
• 53:22
  He may be all those things.
• 53:23
  I don't know the guy.
• 53:24
  But I listened to that and I said, okay, maybe maybe that's who he is, and that's it's a shame that he got involved in this.
• 53:32
  And we were also told that he was kind of just walking through the streets of of Minnesota, Minneapolis, and he came across these evil ice agents who I don't know, maybe they didn't like his beard, they didn't like his glasses, they didn't like I don't know what they didn't like.
• 53:46
  They didn't like something about him because they're evil, right?
• 53:48
  Ice is evil.
• 53:49
  And they jumped out on him, they assaulted a woman that was either with him or next to him, they shoved her to the ground, and he was just standing up, he's being chivalrous and standing up for her, and they shot him dead.
• 54:02
  Um for no reason, they just killed him, right?
• 54:05
  Which is isn't it's never that simple, right?
• 54:09
  I can tell you.
• 54:10
  And uh but millions of people believe that because they get their news from biased, nonsensical places, and they don't think.
• 54:17
  See how I connect the dots.
• 54:19
  The first part of our show is talking about thinking and thinking critically and thinking deeply, and I'm trying to bring that together here.
• 54:27
  So in this situation, Mr.
• 54:29
  Predy has his confrontation with border patrol, not ice agents, border patrol, because border patrol is dragged in, also do the same things as ICE to bolster the personnel that are there.
• 54:41
  And he ends up dead.
• 54:42
  Well, this new video comes out, and there was stories, and I think Bill O'Reilly reported, I saw him on social media and a couple other places, that a week before he was shot dead, Mr.
• 54:56
  Predi, Nurse Predic, got into a confrontation with ICE officers, and he was injured in that uh confrontation.
• 55:06
  Now, okay, well, what's that mean injured?
• 55:08
  Well, apparently he broke a rib.
• 55:09
  Somebody somehow or other he got a broken rib.
• 55:13
  Okay, what's that mean?
• 55:14
  Well, that means he was walking the streets twice and he got happened to get very unlucky that I the you know, the hateful ICE people just picked on him for no reason, just picked him out of the crowd and wanted to harass him and assault him.
• 55:26
  Well, that would be pretty unlikely.
• 55:28
  And then the video comes out.
• 55:32
  And the video shows a very strange encounter where Mr.
• 55:38
  Preddy is standing in the road screaming and hollering at ice agents as they're in their vehicles.
• 55:44
  He's yelling at them, obstructing them, he's confronting them on foot in the road when they're in vehicles.
• 55:52
  He spits at the vehicle, and then he ends up kicking and blasting out the rear tail light of a government vehicle.
• 56:00
  He commits a criminal mischief.
• 56:02
  Well, how much does it cost to fix a tail light?
• 56:05
  You know how much you take your car in and tell them, oh, my tail light got kicked out.
• 56:09
  Uh is it $50, $30?
• 56:11
  No, it's probably a $3,000 to fix your tail light.
• 56:14
  So it's it's a it's an expense.
• 56:16
  Okay, it's an expense.
• 56:18
  It's a criminal mischief.
• 56:19
  You can get it locked up for that.
• 56:21
  Spitting at an officer, any officer.
• 56:24
  Uh federal, state, local cop, doesn't matter.
• 56:28
  You spit at an officer, that's considered an assault, right?
• 56:31
  So he spits at them.
• 56:32
  Then he kicks the uh tail light, breaks the tail light, he busts it up.
• 56:37
  The cops get out and they confront him, they end up wrestling him.
• 56:42
  He's fighting like a wild man.
• 56:44
  Right?
• 56:44
  He's not like, hey, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do it.
• 56:47
  No, he's fighting like a wild man, he gets taken to the ground, and the cops did not arrest him.
• 56:51
  He had his gun on him.
• 56:53
  And I think one of the news people that did report initially the video, um, they said, You can see his gun, right?
• 57:01
  Okay, well, the cops saw his gun.
• 57:04
  He busted the tail light, he fought with the cops, and what did they do?
• 57:08
  They told him to get lost.
• 57:10
  They did not arrest him.
• 57:11
  And people, why wouldn't they arrest him if he was so wrong?
• 57:13
  Because you know what?
• 57:14
  They got bigger fish to fry.
• 57:16
  I was a cop for 30 years.
• 57:18
  I went around and I came across people that had, you know, a 200 dollar warrant for uh parking tickets, and I was in the middle of of a bigger case.
• 57:26
  I told him, go turn themselves in, right?
• 57:28
  So that's all nonsense.
• 57:30
  But they didn't arrest him.
• 57:31
  It's it's an interesting world.
• 57:33
  It is all part of the human equation.
• 57:36
  There's so much that goes on with us living day to day.
• 57:39
  I'm glad I was here with you.
• 57:41
  I hope you had a nice little get together, and I will see you soon.
• 57:44
  Remember, be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem, and always.