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Holly Madison on Playboy Murders and Dating Much Older Men · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: I have one of your favorites that I think this
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  Speaker 2: might be your fourth or fifth time on Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is the fourth total.
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  Speaker 2: It's Holly Madison. You know her from her best-selling books.
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  Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about her Juicy Show third
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  Speaker 2: season of The Playboy Murders. You and Bridget, formerly both
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  Speaker 2: of Girls Next Door, have a great podcast that people
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  Speaker 2: love where you re-watch the shows. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: You always have so much fun here. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: As always. A couple things new in your life besides
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  Speaker 2: the third season and these juicy crimes. Is your single again?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not really looking either. I'm like the
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  Speaker 3: next person is going to be the one or nothing
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  Speaker 3: because I do not have time. Like I'm co-parenting two
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  Speaker 3: young kids. I have like three jobs. I don't have
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  Speaker 3: a minute to carve out unless you're the one, so.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I don't want to get too deep
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  Speaker 2: into it, but was it a long time coming? Because
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  Speaker 2: you guys have been together for like six months or
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  Speaker 2: was it six years? But or was it a reason
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  Speaker 2: that it was undeniable?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was very often on for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say too much because I have
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  Speaker 3: so many male enemies, I feel already.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean male enemies that you really know
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  Speaker 2: or male enemies that are typing away?
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  Speaker 3: No, male enemies that like I've dated.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I have a couple. But anyway, I mean, but
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  Speaker 3: people would know because it's like he was on dating
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  Speaker 3: apps behind my back constantly. But- And he probably won't
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  Speaker 3: be happy that I said that. But he was the
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  Speaker 3: one putting himself out there, verified account, linked to his Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: So like every girl in Vegas is hitting me up like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: isn't this your man?
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  Speaker 2: So they would be on like a Bumble or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't even Raya. Okay, so to let people–
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  Speaker 3: It was Bumble and Tinder.
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  Speaker 2: Because the way I know– the way I understand it
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  Speaker 2: is since I've been married, you know, almost 25 years
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  Speaker 2: and know I've never been on the dating apps. But
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  Speaker 2: I am fascinated by it. When my friends are on it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, let me see what's knocking on your door. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so you go through it. And the way I understand
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  Speaker 2: it is Raya is for not only like entertainment people,
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  Speaker 2: but they really verify that you are who you are.
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  Speaker 2: You have the money that you say you have. And
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  Speaker 2: it's the most difficult to be accepted on. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it's private.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you get caught screenshotting, you're kicked off, you know. Now,
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  Speaker 3: couldn't you take a second phone and screen wrap?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, people do that.
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  Speaker 3: And then they get kicked off the app, but, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Things leak out that way. But how would they know
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  Speaker 2: if someone, they can tell too?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think if somebody's like watching your social media
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  Speaker 3: or something like that, I've heard of people getting kicked
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  Speaker 3: off for things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. And then, but with like a Tinder and
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  Speaker 2: a Bumble or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone can see it.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And so people saw his face. Was he using
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  Speaker 2: his real name too?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: It was verified and linked to his Instagram account.
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  Speaker 2: So he used his real job, his real face. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: All the things. Full bio.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you– did you confront him and what
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  Speaker 2: did he say? I did.
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  Speaker 3: Well, guys always like to do the it's not really
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  Speaker 3: me or that's an old account I'm not on.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: But you get enough screenshots and receipts from other people
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  Speaker 3: that it's just like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it wasn't that. It wasn't just like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: was mad at you that night and I just put
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  Speaker 2: it up there and then I took it down. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And we were very off and on. So there was
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  Speaker 3: room for some of that. But then I, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you start catching it with like verified dates and screenshots
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  Speaker 3: and things like that. So, you know, it wasn't. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I think?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like originally like. you know, years ago,
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago, I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with all this technology, it makes it so
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  Speaker 2: easy to cheat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But now I think actually it's the opposite.
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  Speaker 3: I think so too.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's way harder to cheat than like 20,
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  Speaker 2: 30 years ago where like people had entire other families.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: With all the Facebooking and groups and did you date
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  Speaker 2: this guy and TikToks and everyone being on social media.
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  Speaker 2: And then if you meet a guy who's like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't have social media, then your antennas go up too
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  Speaker 2: because you're like, why? What are you hiding? You know,
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  Speaker 2: or like when girls say I'm dating a guy and
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  Speaker 2: they never, and he's always just like, no, don't take
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  Speaker 2: my photo. And you're like, well, why?
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  Speaker 3: Also, have you seen the Facebook groups? Are we dating
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  Speaker 3: the same guy?
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  Speaker 2: The Vegas one is lit. The Vegas one is? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's where you mostly live, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So people just go on there. And if they're even
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  Speaker 3: thinking about going out with a guy, they're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: does anybody have any red flags on Evan? And every
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  Speaker 3: girl in town knows Evan. It's like with every guy.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember this one guy who he was like
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  Speaker 2: my age. So he was dating someone younger, like 27, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't know. You know, he's like,
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  Speaker 2: screw dating young girls. It's really hard. He's like, I
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  Speaker 2: had a girl that broke up with me because I
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  Speaker 2: didn't tag her in a photo. He's like, I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know what the fuck that means. So then she
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  Speaker 2: was like, you're not tagging me in the photo, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because you don't want the world to know. And he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I just I posted the photo. I didn't tag her. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's so. Weird.
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  Speaker 3: There's a whole new set of etiquette.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. That has to be described. Speaking of which, dating
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  Speaker 2: older people because you, of course, have for how many
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  Speaker 2: years were you guys together?
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  Speaker 3: Seven years.
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  Speaker 2: Seven years. When we watched the show, you were clearly
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  Speaker 2: the most devoted. He seemed to me, you know, put
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  Speaker 2: you at the top like you were a more special thing,
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  Speaker 2: even though there was the girlfriend theme of the show.
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  Speaker 2: And as much as I watch, you know, watching it,
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  Speaker 2: it seemed that you were headed towards marriage or you
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  Speaker 2: thought it would lead to marriage. And so since then,
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  Speaker 2: you've dated other people, but nobody has been significantly older
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  Speaker 2: than you at all. Now, he was 30 years older
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  Speaker 2: than you?
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  Speaker 3: 40?
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  Speaker 2: How much older was Hef?
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  Speaker 3: Like 50-something years older than me.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So that is very much like Bill Belichick and his girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: They're in the 50-year range. They're almost in the great-grandpa.
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  Speaker 2: like not even just grandpa.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like great grandpa range. And, you know, now he's a
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  Speaker 2: very powerful man too and all of that, but she's
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  Speaker 2: only like 23 or four. Right. Which I saw a
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  Speaker 2: joke I talked about before where it's like, she can't
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  Speaker 2: even rent a car, you know, because she's 25. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They asked Tom Brady, they're like, this good comedian was like,
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  Speaker 2: would you rent a car for your former coach's girlfriend?
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  Speaker 2: And it took him like a second to go, oh
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  Speaker 2: my God, I have to do that. That's so funny.
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  Speaker 2: Like when you see that, like what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: She also has dated much older men.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of fascinated. Like I'm not in a
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  Speaker 3: judgmental way at all because obviously I dated a much
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  Speaker 3: older man who I was in love with and fascinated by.
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  Speaker 3: So I understand being attracted to the super successful guy
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  Speaker 3: that you can look up to who's super interesting and
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  Speaker 3: iconic and whatever. But nobody else I've dated since has
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  Speaker 3: been significantly older. So I'm kind of fascinated because there
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  Speaker 3: are women out there who will, and again, no judgment,
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  Speaker 3: like whatever, but I'm kind of fascinated. Like the woman
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  Speaker 3: who had a baby with Al Pacino, like she has
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  Speaker 3: a really interesting roster, like Mick Jagger, Clint Eastwood.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 3: Al Pacino.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, wow.
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  Speaker 3: And she was a girl who I kind of like
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  Speaker 3: looked into her a little bit just because I'm curious. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she I think she was brought up like
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  Speaker 3: upper middle class or wealthy, went to NYU, film student.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure she's talking to these guys about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: career stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. And I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's just fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's there's two types of women, too. And
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  Speaker 2: I do think that it's like I remember this this
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  Speaker 2: Jill Zarin, his friend of mine, her boyfriend, Gary, said
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  Speaker 2: this to me. He goes, He was talking about somebody
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  Speaker 2: who went from one billionaire guy to another billionaire guy
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  Speaker 2: but kind of in the same pool of like a
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  Speaker 2: Palm Beach-y, golf, whatever world. And he said– and I go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I would think that they would be going for the young,
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  Speaker 2: hot thing, whatever. He's like– and not that this woman wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: But she was not– again, she was not significantly younger.
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  Speaker 2: She was someone else's former wife and then went to
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  Speaker 2: another– And he's like, billionaires want another billionaire's fabulous wife.
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  Speaker 6: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: Like they want what their friend would rather have than
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  Speaker 3: just some like yacht girl that's like, they know they
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  Speaker 3: can get that girl.
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  Speaker 2: They know they can manipulate the 25-year-old when they're, you know, 55.
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  Speaker 2: But certain men would rather like, no, I want, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a really quality woman, but she's 48 and I'm 55.
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  Speaker 2: And like, you know, she's already been married and divorced
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  Speaker 2: and is well-liked and has her own shit going, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is kind of fascinating. And then there's the
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  Speaker 2: guy that seeks out the much younger woman, never went
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  Speaker 2: past a girlfriend. I mean, he never started the relationship
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  Speaker 2: with any girl that was like, what?
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  Speaker 3: Over 30.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then, so it's like, that's what he was
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  Speaker 2: comfortable with, knowing that that was the age he needed to,
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  Speaker 2: I think. Control.
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  Speaker 6: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: Manipulate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Impress.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know?
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  Speaker 5: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it was.
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  Speaker 2: To be impressed. And so my other question is, so
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  Speaker 2: then when the relationship ends and then you're like getting
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  Speaker 2: together for the first time with a body that's like.
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  Speaker 2: a good body like tight-skinned like not an older man
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  Speaker 2: yeah is that like like and also just somebody not
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  Speaker 2: knowing not having all the connections too that the older
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  Speaker 2: guy had like what was that transition like to now
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  Speaker 2: date guys that are just you know, have their shit together,
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  Speaker 2: but are normal guys?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever dated a normal guy, honestly.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, my common denominator when I look at who
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  Speaker 3: I've dated is I tend to really be fascinated with
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  Speaker 3: like really successful people who are really creative and kind
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  Speaker 3: of create their own worlds.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of like what I'm drawn to, I feel.
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  Speaker 3: So I feel like the weirdest thing in dating for
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  Speaker 3: me transitioning out of the mansion is just dealing with
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  Speaker 3: other people's judgment because people will be excited to get
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  Speaker 3: together with you knowing exactly who you are and what
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  Speaker 3: your history is. But then you get into a few
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  Speaker 3: months later in the relationship and they start developing deeper
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  Speaker 3: feelings and they start getting really jealous and they start
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  Speaker 3: overthinking my past or what my past would have been
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  Speaker 3: or what they imagine it is. And it just gets crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And is that about like the wealth and the connections
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  Speaker 2: that you had in your previous relationship that maybe they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't provide as a guy or is it something else?
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  Speaker 3: I think so. Or, you know, just worrying about what
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  Speaker 3: other people might say because what they imagine about the
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  Speaker 3: relationship or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so, I mean, has anyone ever come to you
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  Speaker 2: and asked like for advice? Like, hey, I was with
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  Speaker 2: this much older guy for a long time. I want out.
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  Speaker 2: How do I, you know, now I'm going to not
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  Speaker 2: have all the amenities and cushions of having a guy
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  Speaker 2: that's like wealthy and established and knows how to do everything. Like,
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  Speaker 2: is there any advice you'd give to somebody that's like
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  Speaker 2: maybe in a relationship where they're like, it's been such
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  Speaker 2: a like a parental relationship that, you know, is a couplehood,
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  Speaker 2: but like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just have to save as much money as
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  Speaker 3: you can and start thinking about, you know, what you
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  Speaker 3: want to do when you get out. Like, I was
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  Speaker 3: always very conscientious of that from the minute I entered
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  Speaker 3: that relationship. I was always in school for other things
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  Speaker 3: or setting aside as much money as I could. We
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  Speaker 3: didn't get paid much for different things, but I... I
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  Speaker 3: always knew that this could come to an end at
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  Speaker 3: any minute. Even when I was in the mindset of
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  Speaker 3: I never want to leave or I feel like I
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  Speaker 3: can't leave, there was always the part of me that
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  Speaker 3: was saving money and going to school and doing things
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very important. And like one of the things
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  Speaker 2: I saw recently, a clip from your and Bridget's show,
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  Speaker 2: is that she brought up the fact that she recently
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  Speaker 2: found out that have had life insurance policies on you,
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  Speaker 2: which you oftentimes see an ad like, oh, the Gerber
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  Speaker 2: baby life insurance policy, where people could get a life
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  Speaker 2: insurance policy on their child. But to do it on
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  Speaker 2: another person that isn't their spouse. And then I saw
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  Speaker 2: in the comments that this insurance person said, yes, that
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  Speaker 2: can happen, but that you as the adult who's not,
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  Speaker 2: you know, would have to agree to it. Whether you're
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  Speaker 2: married or not, you'd have to agree to it. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm imagining when I'm watching the show how you'd go
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  Speaker 2: into Mary's office or whatever and there's papers and this
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  Speaker 2: and that. You're doing a show and here's a release
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  Speaker 2: and this is for the photo shoot and this is–
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  Speaker 2: that if you signed it, who's to– I'm sure it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't presented. And this is a life insurance policy. So
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  Speaker 2: if you die, Hef gets this– like I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that was ever presented. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I wouldn't put it past just because sometimes when
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  Speaker 3: people are so influential, especially somebody who's such a character
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  Speaker 3: as Hef, he might be working with an insurance broker
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  Speaker 3: who just loves him so much that they'll just take
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  Speaker 3: his word for it. Like, oh, it's fine. And I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying signatures were forged, but I wouldn't be surprised
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  Speaker 3: either because there's all kinds of weird things like that
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  Speaker 3: going on. We didn't even know about the life insurance
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  Speaker 3: until years after somebody called Bridget and was like, do
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  Speaker 3: you want to extend your policy? She's like, what are
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  Speaker 3: you talking about? And they said what year it was
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  Speaker 3: taken out. And Who took it out? So she called
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  Speaker 3: one of the secretaries at the mansion. They're like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I have had these life insurance policies taken out on
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  Speaker 3: you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Just the three of you? Yeah. You don't know about
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  Speaker 2: the girlfriends before or after?
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  Speaker 3: Not that I know of. I think it was because
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  Speaker 3: we were thought of as an asset from the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, that's even like. It's creepy, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like, oh, yeah, yeah. If one of
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  Speaker 2: you died, yeah, how much money would that be worth
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  Speaker 2: in lost revenue and production?
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  Speaker 3: And especially weird because we were always constantly told how
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  Speaker 3: replaceable we were. So it's like, OK, if we're so replaceable,
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  Speaker 3: why are we insured?
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  Speaker 2: How would they tell you that you were replaceable?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the first time I remember hearing it directly was
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  Speaker 3: the executive producer of the show had a little luncheon
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  Speaker 3: with us outside by the pool at the mansion, just me,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: Bridget and Kendra. And we weren't getting paid at all
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: for the first season of the show at that time.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: And Kendra like got up the nerve to ask, like, well,
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: shouldn't we be getting paid for this? And the mood
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: at the table changed so fast. Like you feel the
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: energy drop on this guy and he gets really serious.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: And he's like, wait, what was his role?
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: He was the executive producer of the show.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: And he was also really close with Hef, so they
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: were like in cahoots on everything. And you could just
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: feel the energy drop from this guy. He got super pissed,
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: stared her down, and said, you are replaceable. There are
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: so many girls who would come in here and do this. Like,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: you get free rent here.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: You get this.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: You get that. You know, and we were just all
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: kind of like, whoa. And eventually we did end up
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: getting paid, but... You know, we were always told anytime
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: we were asking for raises or anything like that, it's
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: just you guys don't matter. You're replaceable. This show isn't
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: about you. It's about the mansion.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Well, if it makes you feel any better, I was
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: on a show and we were told that too. It's crazy, right?
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: And we were not in romantic relationships with the boss.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: And we were just funny comedians who were told that
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: as well. And sometimes it's like a throwaway. Sometimes it's whatever.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: And maybe they're frustrated and they're stressed out. But it's not...
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: a great way to ever treat your employee, whether you're
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: on a TV show or not, because it just makes
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: you feel like resentful. Exactly. And I, yeah, especially in Hollywood, like,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, you're a dime a dozen. But maybe it
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: does make someone then realize, oh, okay, I better shut
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: up because, but then I also better start like storing
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: my nuts away for the winter. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: But the fun part is we were replaced and then
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: the show flopped.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Yes. There you go. I know whenever they try to
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: do like a re, A boot of anything, whether it's,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: you know, Three's Company was never the same once, you know,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Suzanne Somers left. Yeah.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: And she got booted because she asked for more money.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Yes. She asked for more money. And then and she
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: should because she was like the star. And it was
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: her husband who was also in TV that acted as
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: a manager. And and then I remember the scene from
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: the from the made for TV movie was based on
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: their books and everything. was he came out and he
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: was like, she's like, how did it go? And she
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: was hoping to go back on the show. And he's like,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: he had already introduced her to this Thighmaster. And he's like,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I think you could sell this. And then he's like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: get ready to sell a Thighmaster. And that was like
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: the first QVC exercise thing that really made them like millions.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: That was brilliant. I mean, that was on TV all
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: the time growing up.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: And I will say about Suzanne Somers and her husband,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: she was so excited. in love with him as he
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: with her and so much mutual respect. And many, many
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: years ago, my mom was in real estate and I
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: was in real estate too before I met. And she
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: either sold her house or she was looking for their
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: longtime assistant. They were buying a house for, which I
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: believe for the assistant to keep after. So that's the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: way you treat– Yeah. Like someone's been there for that
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: long and you're like, I want you to live close
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: enough to work for whatever it is. So I'm just
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: saying that's– you hear about people being nice like that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's so– it's so true. Whenever that happens,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: it just isn't the same. And some things– that's why
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: sometimes people– speaking of which, I'm just going to bring
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: this up because we're talking about shows. So I don't
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: know if you– like you know Kelly Clarkson has a show.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I don't watch that much, but I see the clips.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Extremely popular. She's so likable. She sings on the show.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: She left for two weeks with no real reason of just,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I have to just take two weeks off. Not like
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: someone in the family died or whatever. But she has
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: two kids. They're like eight and ten. And she has
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to film it in New York and lives in the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: city with her kids. And so there's talk that she
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: might want to end the show in a year when
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: her contract is up. And I think it's really interesting because...
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It is so much time to do a daily show.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And her kids are at an age where she feels
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: like– I remember her saying something on a show like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: you know, I wish they would do these performances and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: stuff at night so that working moms could go. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: then the response was like, yeah, but the teachers don't
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: want to come back at night.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, that's true too. You're like, you
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: can't please everybody.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I'm sure she doesn't need the money
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to do the show. And I don't feel she's like
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a fame person.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And so then I was like, well, then you know what?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: This is kind of a good move because then they're
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: going to want to keep her. And she'll be like,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: all right, let's just build a studio in Nashville or wherever. Yeah.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: And we can have the show there. And then the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: argument is like, oh, but all the guest stars that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: come through, they interview guests, they're doing just their press.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And that only happens in L.A. and New York. And
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, She doesn't need those people. First of all,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: people would fly to go do her show in Nashville.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: More and more things are happening in Nashville. I feel
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: like you could go to Nashville and do a whole
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: press week these days.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'm like, so that's what I think she
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: should do. I think she should put her foot down
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and be like, if you want me to do the
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: show and then she should do a contract where she
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: has many more weeks with a guest host. And, you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: so she doesn't have to be there. And yeah, she
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: should take this time to like. Be with it. kids
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: because it goes by fast.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: It does go by fast.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: My kids are grown. Yeah. And I'm very happy of
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: where they are. But, you know, I didn't have that
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: freedom because I wasn't the star of the show. But
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: if I did, I would have definitely made it a more, like,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: conducive thing. Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: She has a residency coming up in Vegas at Caesars.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I was just going to say, why does she just
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: do that? Yeah. What is it? Do you know what
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it is? Like how long it is or?
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Well, when you're at Caesars, you rotate with other people.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: So it's not like she has to be there all
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the time. It would be like a chunk of dates,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: like maybe two weekends a month here and a weekend
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: a month there. That's usually how they schedule it out.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: So. So she, you know, can sing any song and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: is great. And we talked about this on my last episode.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And she sang that song, you know, you know, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: like my girls a little bit older. And then it
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: was like every girl that was either lesbian or thinking
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: about it is like dying for her. And so she
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: changes the words. And it's just like she did another
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: song where I saw where she was just like ripping
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: on her ex-husband. Like she changed the words on the ex-husband. Like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: how dare you get half? Yeah. I think, yeah, I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: think that's what she should do. I think she should.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But sadly, for the people that work on the show,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it's so great to have a head show. Totally. But
• 21:05
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• 21:10
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• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: filed against me.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: what would you do if it was given back?
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order to feel loved? He said,
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: I have a work dad.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: What happens next?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: happens next.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: every day was. You're worth the work.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches. You can
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: use your voice even if it shakes.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But let's get into what your show is, which is
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the Playboy Murders on ID. This is your third season.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And so explain a little bit. They find kind of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: juicy murders, which, you know, sadly involve women being murdered,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that have some connection to the Playboy world. Right.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Whether it's a playmate or a Playboy model or somebody
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: who worked as a bunny in one of the clubs.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: And there were so many clubs back in the day
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: that We have a third season of the show now.
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And which was so interesting. So the first one
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about is Kim Fattarini.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: She was so pretty. And she died when she was 30.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And she was not only modeling and would do the events,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: but she was also helping to cast people. parties and stuff.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: And this was only in 2017. Yeah, it just happened
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: in 2017.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And this case was brought to my attention on social media.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I would have people come into my DMs like, can
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: you please cover this case? Friends of hers who really
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: wanted her story to be told. Because in some ways,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: it's still kind of unsolved. She was found dead of
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: an overdose. It was kind of written off as an
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: accidental overdose. But they found alcohol, cocaine, and GHB in
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: her system. And people don't tend to do GHB as
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: a recreational drug. Also, she was sending texts right before
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: she passed to someone else saying, come help me. Somebody
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: put G in my drink. I've never done this before.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And then the text messages start to get really incoherent.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: It just looks like a bunch of like letters strung together.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So it's a really scary situation. And there wasn't enough
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: evidence apparently to do a criminal case, but there's a
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: civil trial pending right now.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And explain who the civil is against. It's the guy...
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: This guy that she was hanging out with.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean Merriman, a former football player, and Eli Wiebe,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: who was a club promoter, who was the one who
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: got the text messages. I believe that was him that
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: got the text messages. And they're being sued for negligence
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: in her death.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And so is the friend.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Monica Mash.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: She's named in the suit as well.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: And I think that is.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: So the friend, so they were like, you know, this
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: is back in the day, which I just saw a
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: video of two young girls being like, why is there
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: no LA nightlife in LA? There's no nightlife for the
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Gen Zers. And I guess it's because they just, A,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: they don't drink as much. They'd rather watch nightlife on
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: their phone by themselves. It's just, I don't know if
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it'll ever really come back. But they were saying, no,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: the highlight years of LA, and people were listing it,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, maybe 98 to like 2010
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: or something. Those were the years that they, all those clubs,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: it was fun, like always something to do every night.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Those were the Paris Hilton years. Those were the years
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: that you guys were seen at the clubs all the time.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Especially back before people had smartphones because celebrities felt like
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: they could go out and when they were inside the club,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: away from the paparazzi, not get tattled on. So yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: things really changed and people got cameras on their phones.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You know what? You're right.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: That ruined it all. That is a bummer. Because even
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: like– even for me, like I've like stopped doing as
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: many stories on my evenings out and stuff because I'm
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: just like, I don't know.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: All you need is one tile. You don't need the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: whole like– and God, concert videos. Can people stop?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: And fireworks.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, concerts and fireworks.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Just don't. Just enjoy it. I know. I know. And
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it is better to take your one photo, post it
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: the next day.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Show a picture of the poster.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I saw some. Well, I do like seeing some Sabrina
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Carpenter footage.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lie. She's cute.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But it also like I used to hate it because
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I would like the next day I'd be like, like
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: my voice, like because I'd get buzzed.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, happy. And I'm like, oh, God, you
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: fucking old. piece of shit. Like, I just was like, no.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And so now I'm like, no, I'm going to put
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: more video and like on my Patreon where people are like, okay,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I do want to see your evening, but I don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: need like, you know, people picking apart, like, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: what you were doing, where you were. And so I
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: do think that makes people just be like, yeah, you're right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: And so with, with this case, so she was with
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: her girlfriend, they were going to go out, this girl, Monica.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And then they come back and it was that they
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: partied so late. So they came back to the apartment,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Monica's place. And she didn't wake up till three in
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the afternoon. And that's when she found that she was unresponsive.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: But there was the discrepancy when I was reading all
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the notes you sent me of like, First, it was
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that she just called and was like, we came back and,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you know, she's now not waking up on the couch.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Then it was that she saw her and this guy
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: having consensual sex.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Which I feel like she's just.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how can you know when somebody's blacked out, you know?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: And like what were... And you were probably wasted too.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: You probably had the GHB in you too, but you lived.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it could be one tiny ounce more with
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: a combination that would cause someone to... But I do
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: think there's something, I don't know, kind of scary about
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: if you were just the friend that came along. Like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, we all want to have our girlfriends' backs
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But I was like, oh, to have it
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: like haunt you all these years later and then be
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: faced in like a civil case that you didn't do
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: everything you were supposed to do as the friend. I mean,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really scary.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is kind of. A freak out thing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But I liked hearing about her. But we want people
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: to watch the show. Okay, now let's talk about this
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: other episode. Now, this girl had many different names. Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Carissa and then Carrie.
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: We can call her Carissa. That was her playmate name.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: She was a playmate in 2000. And she was involved
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: with a guy who was trying to start a cult.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: He seriously wanted to create... This story is so wild.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I feel dumb even repeating it. But he was brought
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: up Mormon. He did his missionary work in Brazil. He
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: was very charismatic, was really successful at that apparently. So
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: he came up with a scheme later in life. He
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: was around 30 when all this went down, that he
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: wanted to get a group of Brazilian orphans and brainwash
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: them into becoming assassins to go take out the leaders
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: of the Mormon church so he could take over the
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Mormon church. So that was his scheme. She was involved
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: in this really toxic relationship with him. He convinced her
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: to send her photos to Playboy because he wanted her
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: to become a Playmate. And his scheme was he wanted
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: her to be accepted into Playboy and then use the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: connections that she got there to create like a high-paid
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: escort agency. That's what he wanted to do. And she
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: got accepted into Playboy but broke it off with him
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: and got away.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Once she got to L.A. Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: So she gets to L.A. She gets a waitressing job.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: He stalks her down there, shows up at the job.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: And when her issue's about ready to come out, she
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: tells Heff and Playboy that she's worried about this guy,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: so they agree that on her promotion tour, they're not
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: going to keep her in one place for more than
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: two days. So she probably got away in the nick
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: of time because not long after that, they find these
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: five bodies missing. Three of them were dismembered in duffel
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: bags in a river. And he had gone on this
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: killing spree trying to get money from people. They were
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: people that he knew because he was a stockbroker. So
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: they were former clients of his.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's such a crazy story because it's like
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: he and he had a brother. Yeah. He had a
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: brother that he involved in this.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: And this other woman named Dawn. And another girlfriend.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And convinced them that this was like all for
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the good of the God or whatever. Yeah. And it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: crazy because it's like, you know, I don't want to
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: say anything. There's lots of lovely Mormon people. But the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: amount of like horrible, crazy crime that's come from I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: was raised Mormon and then I went on the offshoot,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: whether it was Lori Vallow who was like raised Mormon
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and then like went crazy in a whole different direction
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and thought her kids were evil spirits so she killed
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: him with her boyfriend um there's just been like a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you know of course there's like the warren jeffs of
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the world and it's just it's strange that like some
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: there's just a lot of that unfortunately that comes and
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: now people are gonna say yeah and how many horrible
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: catholics yes i agree but there's.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: A fringe in every group there's a fringe in every.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Group but there's something about like I don't know, this
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: was just, you know, very strange. And that, yeah, and I,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you know, and I always, I do believe that Mormons
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: as business people are extremely successful, these men. because they
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: do go out on the missions. And they imagine how
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: much rejection they get, knocking on doors for two years.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So then when they get into sales, it's.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Like- They're an actual.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: It's like the best sales training on earth. And so, yeah.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: And then add to mental illness and delusion that you're
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: this cult leader.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: It's really crazy. And the more I read about this guy,
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: the crazier it gets. He had this fetish for eating
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: out of a dog bowl. And when he was planning
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: these murders, he wanted to feed the victims to a dog.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: So he got these three dogs and he was practicing
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: by giving them just like animal meat on bones. And
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I guess they weren't eating it as much as he
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: wanted them to or something. So he abandons two of
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the dogs on the side of the road, red flag,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: keeps one of them. And it's just weird. Like the
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: more I read about it, it's just the layers to
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: it are so bizarre. I know.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: And I always just think that and then also when
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: women get involved in and are also convinced to either
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: you commit the murders like a Charles Manson person, or
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you're there and you're participating with the cleanup and the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: planning and the, you know, and then like in the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: case of the woman that was with them, you know,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: she was basically the eyewitness to it all. And, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: she got a lot of time too. Yeah. 25 years. Yeah.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: But they, the two brothers, you know, had it worse,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: but I don't want to give it all away, but
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I just, So what I found interesting about the playmate
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: is so then what happened was this crime, they arrest
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: them while she's still like in the limelight.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She was doing a signing in Vegas.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Because she was the actual playmate of the year.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: She was a playmate of the month that month.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Which is a huge deal.
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: And her issue was out.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: That was. Like the playmates of the month would be
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: like on KTLA. Totally. It was very mainstream. It was
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: very much, okay, this is absolutely a launching pad to
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: be on sitcoms and be a host on an e-show.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: We have so much cute footage of her on the
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: show from on like when Ben Stein's money and like
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: fun shows like that. And she's so adorable on it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: But she was doing a signing in Vegas when the
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: police came to question her about, you know, what could
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: she possibly know about this? She got taken right there
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: from the signing. So it was really scary. But, you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: luckily she got that job just in the nick of
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: time because you wonder like what else could have happened
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: had she not had that excuse to leave.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: But then she really kind of, you know, went into
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a very private life after that. And I think that's
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: probably for a couple of reasons. One is she was
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: freaked out and, you know, that's might have been what
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: she wanted to do either. But don't you think also
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Playboy was like, yeah, let's. Let's not have the hard
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: copy episodes about the fact that this woman is involved
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: with someone that's absolutely guilty of like five gruesome murders.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably the case.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Like, that's not great PR.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Like, they worked with her a lot to keep her
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: busy and not keep her in one place and keep
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: her as protected as they could. You can't babysit everyone
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: who models for you, of course.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: But I think they did their part with that. But
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: also that when those stories are breaking, that might not
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: be the person they reach out to for the promotions
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: or who they're considering for Playmate of the Year because
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: then that's what the story would be about.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: So it's unfortunate.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's very juicy. Okay, now this girl.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Lisa Kale.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Yes. This is kind of interesting, more the backstory of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: this era of Playboy.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the 80s. They were doing different features
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: around the country. Like there would be like, this one
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: was Girls of Texas. And this was when like Dallas
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: was huge. And like the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders were huge
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I saw the cover in the materials that you sent me. Yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it's really cute. And I remember it. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: That was a big issue. They say that that issue
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: like was double what their usual sales were.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: So how would they do the Girls of Texas? So
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: it was like you literally would do some amateur photos
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and mail it in with a stamp. How would they
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: find these people?
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: You could do that if you wanted to get in
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Playboy in general. But for these types of pictorials, they
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: would travel around the country and they would have casting
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: calls in the different cities. So what happened was this
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: girl's sister, Crystal, went to the audition to submit a
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: picture of her sister. But they also saw her and
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: liked what they saw. So they were both in the
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: pictorial and separate shoots. And yeah, it was a fun experience.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately, she was just in the wrong place at
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: the wrong time the month that issue was out.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And I can't remember what happened to her.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Her boyfriend was throwing her a surprise birthday party and
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: he was there getting the party ready. He had one
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: of his friends who I guess allegedly was a drug dealer.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: take her to the party. But he wanted to make
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: a stop along the way. And he goes to this
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: house with her. And unbeknownst to him, there were two
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: hit men waiting for him. And they ended up killing
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: her as well. So it was just totally the wrong
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: place at the wrong time.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And I feel like also, like I was saying back,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, of course, like, of course, when you're
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: that beautiful and stuff, the fact that she could be
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: doing better, but then she's still kind of with this
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: guy who has like unsavory friends. It reminded me of
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the Dorothy Stratton one.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Where before she got the Playboy, he was this guy that, like,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: she's working at this cute restaurant where you could wear, like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: kind of the sexy outfits or whatever. But it wasn't.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Wasn't she the one that was working at the restaurant? Yeah,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a place called Confetti's. And the boyfriend carrying her around, like,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: sitting there the whole time. And then they get their
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: moment and they feel like, oh, they can't leave the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: guy that, like, was there when they– to kind of help.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Like the Dorothy Stratton. Right, right. Couldn't get rid of him.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, if you don't know that story,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: the guy, Paul, whatever his name was, went insane when
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: she wanted to break up with him. And she really
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: was going to be like a big star. Totally.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She had a whole movie coming out, everything.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Star 80 was like the name of the movie about
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: her life. And also Pamela Anderson. She was, you know,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: got discovered at a game with her boyfriend. Yeah. because
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: they put her face up on whatever at the sporting game.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: And then she got to be like a poster girl
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: for like a beer company. And it was another thing
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: where it was like, oh, I don't know if I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: can leave this guy that I live with that's just
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: from my small hometown.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: It's like a guilt complex.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And also because in all those kind
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: of cases, it seemed like the guy was a little
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: bit more like encouraging or okay with her doing it
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: or sent in the photos or took the photos or like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: and then you're like, oh, and then you want it.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: And the other part is, because I remember this back
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: from when I would go to the Playboy Mansion, I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: was like, so not into like meeting anybody or doing
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: anything nefarious. I just like to go eat the food,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: take the photos. The girls were wearing the painted outfits.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I like loved it. Would see like Carmen Electra there
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and blah, blah, blah. So then after I got married
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and I got invited to like New Year's Eve, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, instead of bringing a girlfriend for my
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: plus one, I'm going to bring my husband. And I
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: remember when I called and I go, oh, and my
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: plus one is, and I'm like, he's my husband now.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: And she, the woman on the phone was just like,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: absolutely not. This is a singles party. Oh my God.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And I go, oh, well, I don't have to take him.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And she like literally hung up on me and I
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: was off the list forever. And he wouldn't have cared
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: if like, he would have been like, you can keep
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: going with your friends. Like he, you know, I just
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: thought it didn't occur to me like by, Bringing him
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: that I would then be off the list. Yeah, that's abrupt.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Because I would go to like Halloween.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And it was like fun. And it was like the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: best Hollywood party.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so anyway, I think that's crazy. And also like,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: so who was Hef's? Because I was thinking about this
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: era of like how they would, the play, there were
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: a couple of playmates that would like get on. On
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the love boat and stuff. Yeah. Who was the one
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: that he had for so long with the brown hair?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, Barbie. Barbie Benton.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Barbie Benton. Yeah. What was the deal with her? Because
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like they were together a long time. I
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: feel like she was always like on The Tonight Show
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: as Hef's girlfriend. Yeah. But then they never got married.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: He had a whole other– well, at the time, his
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: original mansion was in Chicago. And then he bought the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: one in L.A., which Barbie actually found that house. Barbie
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: was from California.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: And he would go back and forth.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And Barbie was a playmate as well.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: She was in like a couple celebrity pictorials. She wasn't
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: like a playmate of the month, but she was on
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: several covers. And when he would go back to Chicago,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: he struck up this other relationship that got pretty deep
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: with another woman. And I think that was a big
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: thing that they couldn't really get over.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Okay. So then– Yeah. So then she went off. So
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: she wasn't a playmate. She had was an actress in
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: her own right or what?
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she actually I have met her. She was an
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: extra on the set of a show he was doing
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: out in L.A. And that's how they met. And she was,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: you know, auditioning and doing things. And she did a
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: few country music albums. And then she was on Hee Haw.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And then whatever happened to her? Oh, my gosh.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Well, she it's so funny you bring her up because
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Bridget and I are recording these episodes. That's like the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: season three finale of Girls Next Door. So that's what
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: we're rewatching. And she's in that episode. She was on
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: like five different episodes of Girls Next Door. And she's
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: such a character and such an interesting person. She was
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: So there was no weirdness between you and her or
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: anything or like was there anything that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: There was at first, but I don't feel like it
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: was because of her. It's because the show wanted to
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: like pit us against each other. Always wants to like
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: cut to my resting bitch face and be like, look
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: how jealous she is. So that I didn't like. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: didn't like any of that. But we got to know
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Barbie over time and she was really cool.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. OK, so this this other one, this was back.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: This is Adrian.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Adrian Pollock.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Pollock. And this was back about when girls were. really
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: wearing the outfits and like working at the clubs. And
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it was a big deal for all these businessmen to
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: have the keys and go to the clubs. And like,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: how was it? I was like thinking like, you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: my dad was a member in Chicago. And then even
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: after he was married, he would like bring clients there
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And I don't know, I guess,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, my mom didn't care, but like, I was like,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: were girls, like, meeting the patrons and, like, falling in love.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Or having— They weren't supposed to be.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: But we do have another case, not this one, another
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: case this season where a woman gets involved with a
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: married doctor who was a customer at the club, and
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: that didn't end well. But they weren't supposed to. It
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: was really against the rules for the bunnies to date
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the key holders, and they weren't supposed to even give
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: out their last names or anything like that.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Well, see, this is the thing. This is how I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: feel about, like, dancers or cheerleaders of professional football games
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and Laker games. They kind of do that same thing.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: They don't want them to. I'm like, what the fuck
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: is the point? Honestly, like you're not, they don't make
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of money, the dancers. And I get it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: It's to perform. But in this case, like I would
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: think if I was an attractive girl and I got
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: the job and it's all these young businessmen and this
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: is 1960, whatever. I would be like, I'm hoping to
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: meet like an up and coming like finance executive. Yeah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing this cute outfit. I'm charming. I'm serving their drinks.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Like, I guess if you did, you were supposed to quit.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But they were making really good money
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: for women at the time.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: So they were. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: So you would want to work there if you're not
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: just going to meet people there.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: But this was also during the time where. They thought
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that there was like drug trafficking going on. Yes. Yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: You know, the authorities were really trying to catch Hef
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: doing something for whatever reason. They were just annoyed with him.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: So they caught one of his secretaries, not this woman,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: but one of his secretaries with cocaine and were trying
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: to get her to like testify against Hef. And she
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: ended up killing herself around the same time. And then
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: this woman... was living at the mansion for a while
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: and going on trips with everybody and flying on Hef's
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: private jet. And she would write letters home that made
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: some of her friends think she was like, you know,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: kind of a drug mule for these guys sometime. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: then she ends up mysteriously dead of an overdose out
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: of nowhere. So the family really feels like they have
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of unanswered questions.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And in her system, it was the Quaaludes, which was
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: like the drug of choice.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Even up to my era.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And because they would call them like– Thigh openers. Yeah,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: thigh openers or leg spiders or whatever. And so it
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: would just kind of make you loopy but it wouldn't
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: put you– would it put you.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Out like a– I never took one, but I've heard
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: people say like if they took one and didn't know
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: what it was, they just trusted it because like half
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: handed it to them and drinking champagne.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: They're out of it.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: And next thing they know, they're waking up and somebody
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: is on top of them. So, yeah. So it can
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: do a lot.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: So it can maybe not as bad as like a
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: GHB where you completely don't know what happened.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: But.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because where are Quaaludes now? I feel they don't exist,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: do they?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're legal to be manufactured anymore. They
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: haven't been for a while.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this one was really– this one was crazy. But
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: also with the woman that then unfortunately killed herself, the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: letter that she left that's featured in your episode is
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a little– Yeah. It was like they found a letter
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and it said– you know, I'm ending this world or whatever,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: because you're thinking that Hugh Hefner did this. And there's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: absolutely no way, like, I could find it in here.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Like, it is- Yeah, she says something like, he's such
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: a moral man.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Hugh M. Hefner, also, that you would put someone's middle name. Okay,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: this was her suicide note. Though few will ever realize it,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: a staunchly upright, rigorously moral man And I know him well.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And he has never been involved in criminal activity, which
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: is being attributed to him now. This is the irony.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: But I have come to know that innocence is of
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: small significance when compared to the real purpose and intent
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: of the various government agencies engaged in pursuing him and
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: leveling their harassment against me to the masses. So therefore,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to end my life.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on. I'm not saying that he... ended
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: her life. But this note. It seems like a lot.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, granted, you could look at it as if
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: you're in the state of mind to end your own life.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: You could be thinking all kinds of weird things, but
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: it does seem it seems like a plant.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, come on. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's so moral
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: and so fabulous. And there's no way. I mean, I'm
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: not saying he had anything to do with her death
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: or that he was a trafficker, but just very convenient
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: like that. The person who They were looking into you
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: for your criminal activity, happened to kill themselves, and then
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: write you a glowing recommendation.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: It's very strange. It really is.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So then why did all those clubs end? Because
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: they just were not profitable anymore?
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think things changed. You know, the clubs opened
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: up in 1960. This was like the madman era when
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: people were going out to these really decadent business lunches
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: and they'd go out and they'd want to see like
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: comedians and bands at the club and things like that.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: But then in the 70s, you get to like discos
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: and like nightclubs as we know them now. And people
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: weren't really going to the type of place that a
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: playboy club was. So it just kind of like went
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: out of style.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Just like how clubbing of the aughts is totally different today. Totally. Yeah.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Times change. It's crazy.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I was saying, so my dad was from that like
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Mad Men era. And we were out with some people
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: this weekend and one of the people ordered gin and
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, gin's like making such a big comeback.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, and I remember my dad
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: saying gin was, it was a gin martini that started.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: That's what they used. But then the marketing around vodka
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: was get a vodka martini because it has no smell.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: So you could have a three martini lunch and go
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: back to work.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I like that tidbit of information. That's interesting. Yeah.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: And now it's like everybody just goes, I'll have a
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: vodka martini. What kind of vodka do you want in
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: your martini unless you say gin? And yeah, that's okay.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: So we, okay, what was the, this was the bunny hunt. Okay.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: So this was the photographer. Oh my God.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: That case too. This case could be a mini series.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: This took place in the Tampa Bay area in 1983.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And there was a serial killer that killed at least
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: eight women. And they called it the summer of hell locally.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: And it started off, the Playboy connection is there was
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a club in the Tampa Bay area. And they were
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: having their bunny of the year pageant, which is something
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: they would do every year at the Playboy clubs. And
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: they hired this up and coming female photographer to come
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: photograph the bunny of the year pageant. And the next day,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: or I think it was, I'm not sure how much
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: time had passed, not much time had passed since that event.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: She was found a shot in the head and raped
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: and murdered. And then so that kind of kicks off
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: this summer of hell, as they called it, where there
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: was a serial killer killing all these women locally. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: this case is just so crazy because they put an
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: 18-year-old man in jail based on bite mark evidence. which
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: was something that really caught on because it was effective
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: in the Ted Bundy trial.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: And also we didn't have DNA.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no DNA back then. But it wasn't very accurate.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: They ended up putting this 18-year-old man in prison for
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: 37 years, only to find out later because they took
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: the old evidence. This was in the year 2000. They
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: took the old evidence from the rape kit from that
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: woman's murder, and found, you know, based on the DNA
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: evidence that that guy they put in jail was actually innocent.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: And they found out who actually did it because the
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: two men who did it were currently serving life sentences
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: for something else. And they were in the database. So
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: that's how they figured out who was doing it. But
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: even crazier coincidence is after that photographer was killed, a
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: year later, the woman who won the Bunny of the
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Year pageant was found stabbed in her home.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: And she won and then got to go to L.A. Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: And what was also unique is that she was a
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: black woman. And she was the only black woman running
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: in the contest, which is also interesting because Hugh really
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: was someone, this is so long ago, and that wasn't
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: even brought up or made a big deal. It was just,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: she was the prettiest. She had the best personality. Everyone
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: really liked her. The people voted for her and she won.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: And he did break a lot of, you know, at
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the time, like barriers, social barriers and just putting people
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: of color in front of people and, you know, and
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: made a difference. It's just like putting them, putting a
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: different diversity in media is really important because you see
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it and you accept it and like, then hopefully it
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: will make you a more accepting person in your own life.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and so then... But what happened with her?
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: So that happened in L.A., her crime in L.A.? No.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: When you win the contest, you won a trip to
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: the mansion. So she went to the mansion but then
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: came back.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: And she ended up being stabbed in her own home.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: And that murder is still unsolved. They haven't found out
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: who did that. They know it wasn't the same two
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: men who were doing the other killings because they had
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: already been put. in prison before she was killed. So
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: that one is still unsolved.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: It's like reading these yesterday, I was just like, oh,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I understand why that whole conversation of like, would you
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: want to be left in the woods with a man
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you don't know or a bear?
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It's just, I feel like these bunnies were like hunted,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: literally like real bunnies are being hunted. Like it was
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: just- It was scary. It was such like an unsafe situation.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: And that was around the bunny years and just like,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Just people being like, oh, I think I'd like to
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: go and just kill somebody. Like, it's just– it's so interesting.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: But during this era of, like, these contests and things,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: it reminds me of, like, the Tropicana Contest.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Remember the– Like the Hawaiian Tropics?
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: The Hawaiian Tropic Contest. And would there be a crossover
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: a lot with that, with, like, the girls that would
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: do the Hawaiian Tropic and then go to Playboy? Or
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: was it ever like, well, if you were already– Featured
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: in that, we don't want you, or was there ever
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: any exclusivity where it was like someone would come along
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: and they weren't as fresh of a face because?
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of girls would become a playmate, would
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: come from Hawaiian Tropic. I worked for Hawaiian Tropic before.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: I thought you did. A bunch of playmates in that
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: era worked for Hawaiian Tropic before they came to Playboy.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And now, does none of that exist anymore?
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: No, it's crazy.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Why doesn't it? Because it's just too sexist? I don't know.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: It's a good question.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: I'm fascinated by businesses that are really successful. And what
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: do you do with that business once it's not politically
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: correct anymore? Like I think the same way about Hooters.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I worked at Hooters in college and I loved it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: I thought it was such a fun job. But what
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: do you do when that's your company and it's no
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: longer politically correct? Like how do you pivot?
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Where is Hooters right now?
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Well, they said they were going bankrupt, but now they're not.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: I think there's just less restaurants than there used to be.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I remember like with flight attendants back in the like
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: 60s too. Because I had like a second cousin, whatever,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: that was one. And they would weigh you. And that
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: it was another job, like another type of like either
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: you went, you know, only a few, only a handful
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: of women were going off to college at that time.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And oftentimes encouraged to be like a nurse or a teacher.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: And then if you didn't do that, a really great
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: job was either being and you were attractive. is like
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: doing the playmate or being a secretary, which you didn't
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: need college. You could have gone to like secretary school.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Or the flight attendant thing where, again, you might like
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: meet a businessman. But also it put women in a
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: place to, you know.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Travel. Or be seen as.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Just the girlfriend or the promiscuous girl or whatever. And
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: so during that time, like they would, you got to
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: be like, I think, in age, weight. You wore the
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: really cute, sexy outfits.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I miss old flight attendant outfits. I think those are
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: so cute. Like the hot pants and stuff. I mean,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: I've never seen them in real life, so I shouldn't
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: say I miss them. But like when I see pictures,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: they just look so cute.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: You know, really, it was such an elite thing to do.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: So people did dress up and they were also flying
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: for like business meetings. And I remember my dad would
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: come home and have all the little bottles of alcohol,
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: like they'd give it to him or whatever. And so
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: he'd have these extra bottles of alcohol. And he was like, oh,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: they would do these like drinking games on the plane. Stop.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And they would be like, okay, for a free drink, guys,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: who has the largest hole in their dress sock? And
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: whoever had like.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: The largest hole. I thought you were going to say
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: something totally else.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I just realized that. But it was like
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: they were like playing games like that. And I'm like,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: this is so– Yeah. And so then I remember my mom. OK,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: so my dad had this niece, but because she was adopted,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: it wasn't. But still, it was his niece. And so
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: she's the flight attendant. She brings over another cute flight
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: attendant for dinner. And my mom makes this like great
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: dinner and everything. I was like all these kids. And
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: then the the niece is like, thanks so much for dinner, Pam.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Uncle Bob and I and, like, Marissa, we're just going
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: to– I want to toodle off. I want to show
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: her that fun bar down the street.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: And my dad said– my mom looked at him like–
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: and he was like, no, you guys just go ahead
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: without me. But it was just like– it was just
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: this whole, like, there were women that, you know, like,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: at that era that then the housewives at home saw
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: them and it's like, oh, those are the flight attendants. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: my God. It's crazy. And it's like– it's such an
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: interesting– It's such an interesting time. Yeah. So do you
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: think like when you talk about these politically, do you
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: think this is ever like now women have such autonomy,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: which if they want to use their looks in a
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: more sexual way, they can go to like OnlyFans or
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: whatever like that. How do you feel about that movement
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: towards where we are now, like with all of that?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: God, I don't know where it's going. I don't think.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: people will ever stop talking about it. There's always going
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: to be people who hate it and there are people
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: who accept it. And then when you do things like OnlyFans,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: there's always like kind of a downside to it and
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: things like that. So there's going to be people who
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: come out of it regretting it and saying, don't do it.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: And then there's going to be people who don't make
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: all the money. It's just like never ending circle.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is. It's like I was thinking, like,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: do strip clubs still exist? I mean, I'm sure they
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: do in Vegas. Absolutely. Yeah.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: But people say that people don't go as much anymore.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Like the younger generation really doesn't want to go to
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: strip clubs for whatever reason. I'm curious why that is.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Maybe they're just too addicted to porn on their phones.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I think you also have to sort of be introduced
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: to it. So if none of your friends are going
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: and they've never gone, I just don't think it like
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: occurs to them to go. True, yeah. Like, you know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: like I can't imagine– I don't know. I mean, I can't, yeah.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Like being like, okay, let's go. Like if it's not
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: something you're doing or your boss isn't taking you. And
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: also just, I think they're like wiser, this generation of men,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: knowing that these girls don't like you.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Like I think, you know.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: They're just hopping on dating apps instead.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels like they're watching Sopranos now and
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: they're like, ew, I don't want to be that like
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: guy that's like. And also they, I think they do
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: as a generation like, Realize like that's not cool to
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: like see women in a more disrespectful way or whatever.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Also with the strip club thing, it could be that
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: nothing's private anymore. You know, like men probably used to
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: feel like they could go to strip clubs and no
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: one would know.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: But everybody's so gossipy and filming everything and taking photos
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: of everything.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Right. There'd be such a– or like have you seen
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: the glitter thing? Oh, yeah. Like– so it's like what
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: women– So women who are, like, going to meet a guy,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: it's so hard to know if they're– even if they're
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: on the apps, if they're truly single or girlfriend, wife, whatever.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: So somehow they put glitter, right, on their bodies. But
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: then are, like, guys being able to realize, like, what.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: I feel like you'd have to be a seasoned cheater
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: to be like, I can't touch her because I'm going
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: to go home with this glitter on me.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So let's just switch gears because we were talking
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: about this before the show. So– we've talked a lot
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: about Megan.
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: And, you know, she's got her thing. I've said, look,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I understand the criticism. Also, I'm like, girl, she's no longer,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: you know, making money with her husband in England. She's
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: got kids to take care of. She's got this guy
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: that I don't know what he's going to do out
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: here to make money. So she's doing all the things
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: that all of us does. She's got little jam company.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: She's got a show, a cooking show. It's not on YouTube.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: It's on Netflix.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I love that we all have a jam company.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We all have these sidekicks. She's got the podcast.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: She's got whatever. She's got Shop With Me. These are
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: my favorite jeans. Whatever. But you were saying you saw
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: something interesting on YouTube. Oh, my God.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: There's this YouTube channel that keeps coming up in my algorithm.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I did to get there. I
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: want to say it's called Dan Wooten or something like that.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: I forget the name of it. But it's this guy
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: who All he does, maybe it's not all of his content.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I haven't gone to his page and looked, but everything
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: that comes up every day is just, he has like
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: a whole new setup and it's just criticizing Megan. And
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: you'll have like these, you know, royal insiders come up
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: and the way they go in and just criticize like
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: the dumbest stuff, I watch it, I think, because it
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: makes me feel better about myself because we all have
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: these haters online. And I'm like, well, if people are
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: going so hard over this stupid shit, then I don't
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: feel so bad because I've never seen a woman get
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: on TV and do. the most bland things you can do.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: And people will find like evil intent in like everything
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: she says.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: It's wild. I mean, I just think in exploring it,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: it is fascinating. It is interesting. And obviously, you know,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: people realize, oh, well, those videos do better than this
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: because it's a more universal subject. Everyone who's known as
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Meghan Markle is, you know, and but now the latest
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: is that he had this charity, Prince Harry, that he
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: founded in 2006 in honor of his mother. And it
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: was for HIV AIDS unit in London, helped kids and everything.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Centibale. And now, according to these articles, it's
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  Speaker 2: in jeopardy or it's on hold or they want to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of him because one of the chair people
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  Speaker 2: was so annoyed, like with Megan trying to do this
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  Speaker 2: like trophy moment. And then after that moment, allegedly he
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  Speaker 2: wrote her a email that now she says was on
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  Speaker 2: the verge of bullying. Whoa. Like he wrote and was like,
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, how dare you treat Megan like that?
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  Speaker 2: Like she was, you know, whatever, trying to do something nice.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's where it is. So it's like another story.
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  Speaker 2: that the public can get on and be like, this
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  Speaker 2: woman is ruining his life. And I'm like, all the things,
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  Speaker 2: take the royal stuff out of it, is, could happen
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  Speaker 2: to anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Low level drama.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone could like, a woman like, have you move closer
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  Speaker 2: to their family away from yours because she's having kids
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  Speaker 2: and she wants her mom nearby. Like, granted, it's England
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  Speaker 2: to California, but like, but then people go into all
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  Speaker 2: the other things. I get it. But I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: in defense of her, because I've been oftentimes, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like talking, making fun of the same, but I've also
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  Speaker 2: been in defense of her a lot. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's like one of the things. Now, this is another thing. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we don't know that after that, she was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: that was like, really weird and disturbing. And he was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? I don't want that to happen again
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  Speaker 2: because you're going to be with me at the next thing.
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  Speaker 2: So let me write this email. Yeah. And then it
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  Speaker 2: becomes this other thing. Totally. And this was like his
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  Speaker 2: one thing that he was doing.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 2: I guess he can put the little clock on the
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  Speaker 2: jams and write and make the string. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other article that came out was From
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  Speaker 2: page six, Prince Harry is allegedly not overly happy with
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  Speaker 2: his wife, Meghan, using their kids to promote her brand. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, those are her kids. And it feels like
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  Speaker 2: I'm just seeing, like, more of the back of the kids. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think somebody made that one up.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen with the
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  Speaker 2: two of them?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I.
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  Speaker 3: Could imagine them staying together because they feel like they
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  Speaker 3: have to if they were having problems. Because wouldn't you
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  Speaker 3: feel dumb?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: After all that, getting a divorce?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it would be, yeah, you wonder when you're at
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  Speaker 2: that level. I always think when people go about even
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  Speaker 2: couples that seem happy, like even like Jada and Will
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  Speaker 2: before we knew about the entanglement and the slap and everything,
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  Speaker 2: when they would like wear matching outfits and gush about
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  Speaker 2: each other on Oprah. I mean, I remember like working
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  Speaker 2: with the Wayans brothers and being like someone had broken up,
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  Speaker 2: like Tom and Nicole Kidman. And there was another breakup.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, if Jada and Will break up–
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, my God, people will lose
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: their mind at that time. Once they did, it was like, okay,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: we've seen some weird interviews and we've seen some– but
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: when they were like wearing the matching outfits and gushing
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  Speaker 2: about each other and this is my bonus son. Cut
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: to 10 years later, she's screwing the bonus son's friend.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a lot. Like same with like a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Chrissy Teigen and John Legend. Like, oh, relationship goals. When
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: like your persona is so like we're this funny couple.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: We tweet each other funny things. It's all about our
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: cute family. And it's like doesn't mean you're going to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: necessarily break up and get divorced. But you might have
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: some like rough years.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: And feel extra like you have to hide it because
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  Speaker 3: there's so much invested.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the extra of like, we got to stay in
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: it when we really wouldn't want, like it is a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And I do think if they were to break up, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like so many people would like fucking be dancing a
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  Speaker 2: jig and being like, I taught, you know, and nobody,
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  Speaker 2: why would you want that? Like they have two little kids,
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  Speaker 2: they're in their forties. I hope they do stay together
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  Speaker 2: and make it work and they have fun and, He's
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  Speaker 2: just not a prince anymore. He's just not going to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: the English factories and shaking hands and cutting ribbons. But
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  Speaker 2: it is like a bummer that he's not doing what
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: he's supposed to be doing with his brother. But at
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: the same time, he was the spare. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Well,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: tell everybody where they can watch it and also listen
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  Speaker 2: to your podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Playboy Murders Season 3 comes out Cinco de Mayo, May 5th.
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  Speaker 3: And it'll be on Investigation Discovery. And then later you
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: can stream it on Max. And Girls Next Level is
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: anywhere you find your podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: And for those of you who haven't watched it, there's
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  Speaker 2: already two seasons.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a lot to binge.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot to get into. And so it
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  Speaker 2: was so great to see you. You look absolutely gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. So do you. Everything. How's the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Vegas life? I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: And the weather's perfect there right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's so great. And what's like the new
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  Speaker 2: hot Vegas thing to do?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the new hot thing to do is.
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  Speaker 3: I just like to go around and try different things.
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  Speaker 3: I like quirky places.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you're really, your Instagram is really fun. Thanks. To follow.
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  Speaker 2: You just went to a restaurant recently.
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  Speaker 3: With the singing frog. Is that the one you're thinking of?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. But I like that
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  Speaker 2: when you, I like hearing like, this is like the
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  Speaker 2: place to go and this was the meal. And no,
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  Speaker 2: it was in, it was a restaurant with an oyster
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  Speaker 2: bar and.
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  Speaker 3: Then Oh, that was at Palace Station, which is this
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  Speaker 3: kind of random like off the strip casino.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was kind of surprised about because I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: was like, isn't that like the old part of Vegas?
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  Speaker 6: It is.
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  Speaker 3: And it's right by where I live. So it's where
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: I go to watch movies all the time. That's the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: movie theater I go to. And we went to go
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: eat at the steakhouse there that was so good. And
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  Speaker 3: I show everything I eat, blah, blah, blah. And they
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  Speaker 3: have this like really famous oyster bar that I haven't
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: tried yet. And like the line for it always goes
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: around the whole casino. So I'll have to go back
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: there and make a video about that too. But I
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  Speaker 3: was there with a couple friends, the two guys who
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  Speaker 3: are married to each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And in one of my food shots, somebody sees a ring.
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  Speaker 3: And in the comments, people are like, why aren't you
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  Speaker 3: out with a married man? So that's like my new
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: shtick because I always have to borrow one of my
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: married man friends to like take me out.
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  Speaker 2: That's so true. You could. Yeah. If you have a
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  Speaker 2: gay best friend who's a man and he's married, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you could really start some– you could start some major– Rumors.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my new thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the only married men you'll have dinner with.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you so much. Yeah, this is great.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Holly.
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  Speaker 2: That was super fun. All your content is so great
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  Speaker 2: and juicy. Love it. Thanks.
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  Speaker 7: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 7: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 7: a treat. With eight flavours to choose from, you can
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  Speaker 7: choose the flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.