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The Kenny Report | 5 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: The over the top assessments of Bill Shorten as he
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Speaker 2: moves to greener pastures. Will he be the last rat
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Speaker 2: to desert Albow's sinking ship? As even the left seems
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Speaker 2: to be losing faith in the Albaneze government.
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Speaker 1: I'll show you the incredible interview that.
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Speaker 2: Exposes Labour's tragic failure in acting the cashless debit card.
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Speaker 1: I'll cross to Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: To get the latest. As Russia's brutal attack escalates. Alexander
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Speaker 2: Downer joins me to talk about why President Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: is so wrong on Middle East peace negotiations.
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Speaker 1: Also the cost of living.
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Speaker 2: Footy finals underway, and we put Raygun up against another
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Speaker 2: bad dance contender.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Okay.
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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of gushing over Bill Shortened today.
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Speaker 1: I mean his.
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Speaker 2: Colleagues, his opponents and the press gallery have mostly been
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Speaker 2: heaping praise on him and wishing him all the best
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Speaker 2: as he announces his exit from politics. Now, I don't
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Speaker 2: wish him any ill, and I'll recognize that as a
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Speaker 2: leading member of the alp Right faction, he's been pretty
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Speaker 2: solid on important policy issues like the Alliance and support
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Speaker 2: for Israel, pretty solid without being really strong, And the
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Speaker 2: worry about his departure is that it's just more evidence
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Speaker 2: that the Labor right is withering on the vine, that
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Speaker 2: the socialist left has become the natural custodian of the
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Speaker 2: once great Australian Labor Party. But back to Shorten, his career,
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Speaker 2: which was talked about with great promise even before he
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Speaker 2: entered Parliament, well it felt way short of expectations. His
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Speaker 2: one big contribution has been driving the creation of the
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Speaker 2: NDS and then failing to rein it in. This is
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Speaker 2: an idea with good intentions, but it's been badly implemented.
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Speaker 2: It was always going to be hard to control a
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Speaker 2: big government, big bureaucracy and big spending approach. The NDIS
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Speaker 2: is a runaway government spending disaster with many billions of
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Speaker 2: dollars roarted every year, and it's set to undermine federal
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Speaker 2: budgets for decades to come unless someone fixes it. And
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Speaker 2: now that someone won't be Bill Shorten, the former union boss, got.
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Speaker 1: To be opposition leader.
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Speaker 2: He was always desperately ambitious and wanted to be Prime minister,
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Speaker 2: but he lost the election he should have won against
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison in twenty nineteen. He seemed to have a
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Speaker 2: problem then with the authenticity. I mean, during his time
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Speaker 2: campaigning as opposition leader, someone obviously decided he needed.
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Speaker 1: To pretend to be fit and go running.
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Speaker 2: But it was pretty obvious to everyone watching that this
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Speaker 2: bloke hadn't been pounding the pavement for very long. And
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Speaker 2: then there was the time he tried to be in
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Speaker 2: sync with his Prime minister, but he just didn't quite
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Speaker 2: know how.
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Speaker 3: I understand that the Prime Minister's addressed this in a
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Speaker 3: press conference in Turkey in the last few hours. I
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Speaker 3: haven't seen what she said, but let me say I
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Speaker 3: support what it is that she said.
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Speaker 1: Hang on, you haven't seen what she said, but I.
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Speaker 3: Support what my prime minister said. So well, what's your
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Speaker 3: view on my view is what the Prime Minister's view is.
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Speaker 1: Surely you must have your own view on this bill.
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Speaker 4: Shorten now.
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Speaker 1: Says it all, really, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: The tragedy for Shorten and for Labor is that the
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Speaker 2: only two prime ministers he ever brought down were both
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Speaker 2: on his own side. As a factional player, Shortened was
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Speaker 2: instrumental in the downfall of Kevin Rudd, and then three
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Speaker 2: years later he was instrumental in Rudd's revenge against Julia Gillard.
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Speaker 1: So maybe that's why.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberezi gave Shorten the right royal treatment today he
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Speaker 2: was happy to see the back of a possible leadership plotter.
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Speaker 2: What should have been a relatively our announcement was given
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Speaker 2: a Prime ministerial media event in the Prime Ministerial Courtyard
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Speaker 2: to announce that one Cabinet minister won't be contesting the
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Speaker 2: next election. Shortens even staying on in cabinet till February
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Speaker 2: next year.
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Speaker 3: I'll thank others later because today is not my valedictory.
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Speaker 3: There's plenty more work to be done.
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Speaker 2: Who knows how focused he'll be over the next six months,
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Speaker 2: because in February, the former Australian Workers' Union secretary will
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Speaker 2: become vice chancellor at Canberra University.
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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to joining a university that had been
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Speaker 3: rated number one in the world for reducing inequalities, where
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Speaker 3: forty percent of graduates are the first in family to
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Speaker 3: obtain a degree. That was my mother's story.
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Speaker 1: So for me, this is the.
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Speaker 3: Fair going action.
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Speaker 1: Well, fair go is one way to put it. Fair
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Speaker 1: suck is another.
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Speaker 2: While Shorteners fighting against inequality, he'll at least triple his
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Speaker 2: pay packet. The current Vice Chancellor is on one point
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Speaker 2: seven million dollars a year. That's one way to fight
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Speaker 2: for a fair go Shorten is at least leaving politics
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Speaker 2: at a time of his own, choosing with an elegant
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Speaker 2: and lucrative dismount, which is much better than most are
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Speaker 2: able to manage in politics.
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Speaker 1: But with Albanesi in all.
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Speaker 2: Sorts of strife and all the trends against him economically,
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Speaker 2: politically and in the polls, he'll need to find a
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Speaker 2: way to kick some goals soon or he could be
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Speaker 2: a one term prime minister. In that respect, Bill Shorten
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Speaker 2: looks like the first rat off a sinking ship.
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Speaker 1: He might not be the last.
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Speaker 2: An amazing interview a horrible performance by a government minister
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Speaker 2: highlight yet another terrible failure by this Albanesi Labor government.
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Speaker 2: Like its other failures, comes about because the Albanese government
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Speaker 2: is driven by ideology and virtue signaling instead of just
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Speaker 2: doing what works in reality. Remember, the coalition introduced the
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Speaker 2: cashless debit card in four trial sites with large indigenous populations,
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Speaker 2: the Kimberley and Goldfields in WA, Bunderberg, Harvey Bay Area
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Speaker 2: in Queensland and Sojuna in South Australia. The Cashless Debit
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Speaker 2: Card system, or CDC, quarantined eighty percent of welfare payments
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Speaker 2: to be spent on necessities so it couldn't be spent
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Speaker 2: on grog or gambling.
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Speaker 5: Or the like.
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Speaker 2: And there was plenty of evidence it was working, reducing
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Speaker 2: alcohol abuse, cutting crime and violence and improving outcomes for children.
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Speaker 2: But Labour couldn't get rid of it soon enough, abolishing
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Speaker 2: the scheme within months of coming to power because they
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Speaker 2: reckon it stigmatized the participants anyway. A few months ago,
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Speaker 2: Adelaide University handed over a review to the government into
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Speaker 2: what happened after the cashless Debit card was scrapped and
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Speaker 2: there's no escaping the findings, which paint a disturbing picture.
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Speaker 2: The review found that qualitative evidence suggests alcohol consumption and
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Speaker 2: misuse increased considerably after the CDC program was scrapped. Public
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Speaker 2: drinking and intoxication was also perceived to have risen, along
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Speaker 2: with consumption of heavy aboos and alcohol related violence. The
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Speaker 2: review also found there were declining levels of child wellbeing
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Speaker 2: and welfare after the card was scrapped with some children
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Speaker 2: not being fed or clothed properly, not attending school and
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Speaker 2: being out on the streets unsupervised at night. So they
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Speaker 2: scrapped the card and that's what happened. What a disgraceful outcome.
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Speaker 2: So I want to share with you some of a
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Speaker 2: radio interview with the responsible Minister, Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth,
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Speaker 2: because her level of denial and obfuscation is something else.
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Speaker 2: She told the ABC's David Bevin that there was no
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Speaker 2: causal link between the abolition of the card and the
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Speaker 2: rising social problems.
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Speaker 1: Minister.
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Speaker 6: That's not quite what the report found, is it.
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Speaker 4: Well, it is what the report found. I can read
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Speaker 4: no causal statements can be issued from the analysis.
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Speaker 6: Well, I can find another bit in the report that says,
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Speaker 6: under the heading of alcohol, illicit drug and gambling misuse,
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Speaker 6: the qualitative evidence suggested that alcohol consumption and misuse increased
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Speaker 6: considerably in Sojuna, East Kimberley and the Goldfields following the
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Speaker 6: cessation of the program. The incidents of public drinking and
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Speaker 6: intoxication were also perceived to have risen, along with the
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Speaker 6: consumption of higher alcohol products and rates of alcohol related violence.
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Speaker 4: So that is the perception that people have some people had.
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Speaker 4: I'll also read you a quote from Soguna. Everyone thinks
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Speaker 4: it's the car the abolishment of the CDC, but it
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Speaker 4: depends on things like weather, payday, the seasons. That all
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Speaker 4: has an impact.
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Speaker 2: The trouble for the minister in this case is that
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Speaker 2: she was being interviewed by a very good and fair journalist.
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Speaker 2: Yes said the ABC, they do have them, and he
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Speaker 2: knew his stuff and he wasn't going to accept illogical responses.
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Speaker 6: So you've got this report and I'm starting to wonder
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Speaker 6: what the point of the report was because you're saying, well,
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Speaker 6: there were stakeholders who said there was increased violence, there
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Speaker 6: was increased drug use, there was increased gambling and alcohol,
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Speaker 6: there was increased misuse and abuse of children.
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Speaker 1: But you're saying, well, there was no causal.
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Speaker 4: Link, no, no, no, And then there were other people that
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Speaker 4: had a different view.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So what's the point of the review If you're
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Speaker 6: saying well, there was no cause a link, what was the.
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Speaker 1: Point in the report?
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Speaker 4: Well, I would say that the limitations of the reporter
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Speaker 4: outlined in the report. I'm getting on with the job now,
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Speaker 4: is making sure that we are putting things in place
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Speaker 4: that support people.
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Speaker 2: Now, yes, people can cherry pick from this report because
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Speaker 2: everyone gets to say so. It's partly about who you
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Speaker 2: listen to for expert advice.
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Speaker 1: So let's go back to the report, and it.
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Speaker 2: Shows that the majority of past cashlest debit card holders
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Speaker 2: say they're glad it's been scrapped because it removes perceived
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Speaker 2: discrimination and stigmatization and there's the prospect of new programs
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Speaker 2: to replace it. But a majority of the stakeholders are
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Speaker 2: disappointed the scheme's been scrapped, and they think the card
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Speaker 2: had positive impacts, and they reckon there's been an increase
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Speaker 2: in social problems since it was scrapped. So who are
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Speaker 2: these stakeholders, Well, they're the people you want to take
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Speaker 2: notice of, people like the local police, welfare agencies, community groups, teachers,
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Speaker 2: business owners, child protection officers, and indigenous groups. And a
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Speaker 2: majority of these stakeholders reckon the card worked, but Riskworth
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Speaker 2: ignores them.
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Speaker 6: And a clear majority of the stakeholders thought that ending
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Speaker 6: the cash List Debit card had had very negative impacts,
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Speaker 6: very negative in terms of caring for children, in terms
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Speaker 6: of violence, in terms of gambling, illicit drug use, and
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Speaker 6: alcohol abuse.
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Speaker 4: Well I is a range of views, and when you
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Speaker 4: look at what causes things, I'll also read you something
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Speaker 4: else from the report. Sure, several factors are limited the
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Speaker 4: review's ability to directly attribute observed impacts to the cessation
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Speaker 4: of the CDC program.
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Speaker 2: Look, this minister refused to even say whether the data
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Speaker 2: shows crime and other problems have become better or worse
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Speaker 2: since the scheme was scrapped. A cynic might think that
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Speaker 2: whatever stats the Minister has seen must not support her
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Speaker 2: argument if she's not sharing them.
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Speaker 4: Look, what we're doing is getting on with what works.
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Speaker 4: What we're doing is investing in community. Know what works, well,
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Speaker 4: it's money on the ground, money on the ground for
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Speaker 4: support services. That's what makes it different.
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Speaker 6: You don't know if it's worse or better.
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Speaker 4: It's well, what.
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Speaker 2: A tragedy this is. We asked the minister for an
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Speaker 2: interview today. She declined the Cashist debit card was showing
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Speaker 2: evidence of transforming lives and making communities better, and it
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Speaker 2: was scrapped And the consequences are negative, hurting families, hurting children,
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Speaker 2: kids are suffering, futures are being snuffed out, and the
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Speaker 2: minister is in denial. Why not just do what works?
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Speaker 2: Put your politicking in your ideology aside and just do
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Speaker 2: what works. Let's go to Victoria now and catch up
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Speaker 2: with Zoe Mackenzie, the Liberal member for the seat of
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Speaker 2: Flinder's good to talk.
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Speaker 1: To you, Zoe.
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Speaker 2: It remains coalition policy, doesn't it to bring the cash
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Speaker 2: list debit card back into a trial situation?
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Speaker 7: I believe it does.
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Speaker 8: Chris may I say, you know, you and I have
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Speaker 8: both worked in Canberra before, and it's rare that you
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Speaker 8: can see that you are making a decision one day
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Speaker 8: that will manifestly make lives worse a week or a
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Speaker 8: month or two months later. I was really taken at
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Speaker 8: the time, knowing for well that that's exactly what we
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Speaker 8: were doing. We were voting to make people's lives worse imminently.
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Speaker 8: And sure enough, that's what the data is showing. And
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Speaker 8: it's heartbreaking, and yes it needs to be brought back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just terrible. And no one's saying it's a
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Speaker 2: magic bullet. It's not going to work for everyone. But
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Speaker 2: there's all that ever and showing that it was working
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Speaker 2: for some families. It was getting kids to school, it
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Speaker 2: was stopping violence.
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Speaker 1: And they get rid of it.
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Speaker 2: And she can't even admit the evidence there right in
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Speaker 2: front of her that there was this success and the
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Speaker 2: consequences of their scrapping are terrible.
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Speaker 1: We'll keep following that one up.
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Speaker 2: I want to get to your reaction to other issues
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Speaker 2: of the day, and let's have a listen to what
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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock said today. She said
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Speaker 2: that they're forget about interest rate cats.
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Speaker 1: They could still yet go up.
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Speaker 7: I look having said that if inflation doesn't come down,
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Speaker 7: then it might be that the best medicine is in
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Speaker 7: fact that we have to end up putting more restriction
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Speaker 7: into the economy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this follows on from the Economic US yesterday
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Speaker 2: Zoe that I mean, this is so much government spending
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Speaker 2: being put into the system.
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Speaker 1: It's making Michelle Bullock's job harder.
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Speaker 8: It's interesting she uses such elegant language for saying, no
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Speaker 8: one's giving me a break here. I'm carrying all the
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Speaker 8: eggs in the basket. That's how it sounds to me.
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Speaker 8: There was one beautiful sentence today saying not much has
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Speaker 8: been done in the last year for disinflation. A complicated words,
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Speaker 8: but I get the point. It does sound very much
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Speaker 8: like she feels quite lonely together with a Reserve Bank
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Speaker 8: board colleagues, trying to keep us on that narrow path,
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Speaker 8: as she refers to it. And every time she says that,
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Speaker 8: I think there's even more emphasis on the word narrow,
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Speaker 8: meaning you people aren't making this easier for me, even
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Speaker 8: though obviously she can't say that in quite those words.
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Speaker 8: But frankly, after the bugger that was poured on her
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Speaker 8: earlier this week by the Treasurer, not quite so sure
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Speaker 8: why she's still being so classy. But nevertheless I respect
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Speaker 8: the fact that she is, and she's doing her dundest,
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Speaker 8: as is the board to try and manage a really
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Speaker 8: difficult situation, and one which of course they appreciate, is
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Speaker 8: causing immeasurable damage within our communities. I see close shops,
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Speaker 8: closing businesses, complaints about increased land taxes, increased payroll taxes
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Speaker 8: that are absolutely slamming people down on the Peninsula who
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Speaker 8: are trying to make a decent living.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at I saw someone using the term stagflation today,
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Speaker 2: which I remember from my days as a kid in
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Speaker 2: the seventies. And we're going to have high inflation even
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Speaker 2: though the economy is going backwards.
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Speaker 1: Effectively, rich is a real worry.
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Speaker 2: I think she's been very professional and she's probably her
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Speaker 2: restrained retoric is important because if there's an open warfare
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Speaker 2: between the Treasurer and the Reserve Bank governor, that just
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Speaker 2: does more damage to the economy.
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Speaker 1: Now, the two.
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Speaker 2: Aspects I highlighted yesterday that are all worried and that
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Speaker 2: are in the remit of the federal government.
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Speaker 1: One was the spending.
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Speaker 2: They just keep pumping spending and money into the economy.
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Speaker 2: The other is immigration, and there's been surveys that are
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Speaker 2: putting put out today that showing most immigrants are still
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Speaker 2: going into our major cities, into Melbourne and Sydney, and
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Speaker 2: that of course is adding to everyone's cost of living
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Speaker 2: and especially housing crisis.
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Speaker 8: Isn't it about a third god to city and a
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Speaker 8: third God in Melbourne. I would do anything to get
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Speaker 8: some temporary working folk down here on the pointential, particularly
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Speaker 8: over summer. You know what, it's like two million people
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Speaker 8: come down here and we desperately need worker talent for agriculture,
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Speaker 8: for hospitality, for tourism, but that much rather be in
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Speaker 8: the city. It puts enormous pressure on rental there. I
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Speaker 8: was talking to one of our universities last week and
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Speaker 8: they said, but you do know that international students and
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Speaker 8: by the way, there's been seven hundred and fifty thousand
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Speaker 8: visas for international students issued in the last year. You
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Speaker 8: do know they only take four percent of the rental market, right,
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Speaker 8: And I said, you do know if we released four
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Speaker 8: percent of the rental market back into the market, we'd
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Speaker 8: get rid of the rental crisis overnight. So it's a
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Speaker 8: lot of pressure that they place on the system. And
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Speaker 8: as as Labor recklessly pursues this big Australia policy without
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Speaker 8: even seeking a mandate for it, the pressure just gets
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Speaker 8: harder and harder on those on the.
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Speaker 1: Four percent is a huge number.
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Speaker 2: Four percent is almost one in every twenty units or
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Speaker 2: houses available for rent. Now, as a Victorian MP, and
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Speaker 2: in your career before that, no doubt you've had a
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Speaker 2: bit to do with Bill Shorton across the years. Gee,
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Speaker 2: I can't look. No one wants to kick a bloke.
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Speaker 1: On the way out, but he's not going yet and he's.
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Speaker 2: Going into a one and a half million dollar a
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Speaker 2: year job and people are hailing him as some sort
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Speaker 2: of some sort of great statesman. I mean, the bloke
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Speaker 2: didn't quite cut the Mustard and he's left us with
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Speaker 2: a very messy ends which someone else is going to
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Speaker 2: have to fix up.
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Speaker 8: That is all true, but Chris, today's the day that
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Speaker 8: he announced his departure. I have become more fond of
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Speaker 8: Bill May I say since I was elected, only because
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Speaker 8: I think he's got a melanists and a wisdom about
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Speaker 8: him post leadership which is quite enjoyable. So I do
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Speaker 8: wish him and Chloe well. He has been in that
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Speaker 8: Parliament for a very long time. As I said earlier
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Speaker 8: to ker In today, when I saw the news breaking
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Speaker 8: news Bill short and I thought, oh, he's got a
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Speaker 8: challenge of a leader ship, right if we're going to
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Speaker 8: get rid of prime minister. But nope, that wasn't what
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Speaker 8: it was going to be. So anyway, he's off to
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Speaker 8: new adventures and I wish him well and.
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Speaker 1: Good on you. I think that's very nice, very gracious.
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Speaker 2: I think I've probably done in my chance of being
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Speaker 2: a visiting professor at the Canberra University, but I had.
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Speaker 1: To share my thoughts.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us at Zoe mackenzie there live from Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Now we were hoping to crash a cross to Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: I hope to do that later in the program. But
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Speaker 2: what we'll do now is take a break, and on
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Speaker 2: the other side of that, I'll catch up with mart
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Speaker 2: Nicholson and Tim Blair.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about how even the left abandoning Anthony Aberdez.
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Speaker 2: He also Kamala Harris mocked over her latest word salad,
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Speaker 2: and I'll show you how the ABC is spending your
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Speaker 2: tax dollars to indulge their Trump derangement syndrome.
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Speaker 1: That's said to Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: Now, it's been over two and a half years since
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Speaker 2: Russia invaded and this week the Kremlin launched one of
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Speaker 2: its largest air attack since the war began.
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Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
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Speaker 9: Russian forces launching another deadly air strike overnight in the
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Speaker 9: western Ukrainian city of Leviv, killing multiple people and damaging
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Speaker 9: several buildings. The attack comes as Ukraine is reeling from
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Speaker 9: the deaths of dozens of people in the city of
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Speaker 9: Portova on Tuesday. Official say tu ballistic missiles hit a
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Speaker 9: military academy and a hospital, leaving hundreds of others injured
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Speaker 9: in one of the deadliest attacks since the start of
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Speaker 9: the war. As the fighting grinds on, the US is
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Speaker 9: reportedly close to supplying Ukraine with long range cruise missiles
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Speaker 9: that could reach deep into Russian territory.
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Speaker 2: We've caught up with Helena Yevchenko a few times over
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. She's a mother and member
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Speaker 2: of Ukraine's parliament. She joins me live from Kiev. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for joining us again, Helena. This lightest attack on the
20:53
Speaker 2: city of Leviv is extraordinary because that city is so
20:58
Speaker 2: far to the west in Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: It's close to the Polish.
21:02
Speaker 2: Border, isn't that where a lot of Ukrainian people try
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Speaker 2: to escape, So far from the front line, it's thought
21:10
Speaker 2: to be peaceful and a safe haven.
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Speaker 10: This is true.
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Speaker 11: Viv is really on the very west of the country
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Speaker 11: and this is basically in the opposite side from Russia.
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Speaker 11: But for the past two and a half years, after
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Speaker 11: the full scale invasion, Russia is attacking not only front
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Speaker 11: line but also a number of peaceful cities. And usually
21:39
Speaker 11: they're victims are not the military centers or any kind
21:43
Speaker 11: of so called strategic or military goals, but rather the
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Speaker 11: residential houses. As you see on these videos right now.
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Speaker 11: In the last attack on Viv, a lot of civilians ordered,
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Speaker 11: including a family which consists of a mother and three
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Speaker 11: daughters their father. Their father was alive, but you can
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Speaker 11: only imagine what kind of strategy this man goes through.
22:13
Speaker 11: So these kind of damages became a quite useful picture
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Speaker 11: in Ukraine now.
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Speaker 10: And but what makes me stressful and disappointed is.
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Speaker 11: The slow military assistance of some of our.
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Speaker 10: Some of our allies.
22:41
Speaker 11: For the past months, Ukraine is playing our western neighbors,
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Speaker 11: including Poland and some other countries to actually use their
22:53
Speaker 11: air defense to cover the sky, at least over the
22:57
Speaker 11: western part of the country. And there were numerous situations
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Speaker 11: when Russian missiles or Russian drawns which they received from Iran,
23:08
Speaker 11: so called shahets, they were actually exiting Ukraine and flying,
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Speaker 11: for example, over there over the territory of Poland.
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Speaker 10: But there was no reaction of Poland. So this is
23:19
Speaker 10: very This.
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Speaker 11: Is something that makes me personally very disappointed, and I
23:23
Speaker 11: believe that the strategy and reaction and general attitude of
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Speaker 11: the western countries should change.
23:30
Speaker 10: There should be more more engagement.
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Speaker 1: I've got to step up.
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Speaker 2: As you say that these sort of attacks on residential
23:37
Speaker 2: areas in the west of the country, there's no military
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Speaker 2: target there, there's no military benefit. It's about terrorizing the
23:44
Speaker 2: whole of Ukraine and the Ukrainian population. And as you say,
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Speaker 2: Western countries are happy to give Ukraine some sort of support,
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Speaker 2: but it's so limited. It seems like it seems like
23:54
Speaker 2: there's not enough commitment from the western NATO countries to
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Speaker 2: make sure you can win and end this water.
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Speaker 1: They're allowing the style might to go on for years.
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Speaker 11: This is true, and the thing is that, in my opinion,
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Speaker 11: some of the countries are not ready to have more engagement,
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Speaker 11: has more engagement because they hope that at this point
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Speaker 11: this is the problem of Ukraine solely. But this is
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Speaker 11: not because actually we should recall that Russia is an
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Speaker 11: aggressive country which have been messing with their neighbors, which
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Speaker 11: has been invading and murdering civilians for the past thirty years.
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Speaker 11: Ukraine is not the first country which became a victim
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Speaker 11: of Russian war of aggression. Before that, it was Georgia,
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Speaker 11: it was Chichinya, it was Moldova.
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Speaker 10: And they actually they actually say that they are ready
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Speaker 10: to invade Poland or some multi countries like Lithuania, Latvia
25:02
Speaker 10: and Estonia. They are threatening the whole Europe. So Russia
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Speaker 10: is a factor of aggression and a factor of risk
25:10
Speaker 10: for this whole region.
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Speaker 11: And therefore there should be more active participations, participation not
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Speaker 11: only of the countries of the region, but generally of
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Speaker 11: the countries which believe that they belong to the Western civilized.
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Speaker 10: Club of countries.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, and we need more leadership.
25:33
Speaker 2: As ever, we need more leadership from America and we'll
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Speaker 2: see what comes out of that, I suppose after their election,
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Speaker 2: but America needs to lead the way here in Australia
25:43
Speaker 2: needs to do it. Thanks so much for talking to
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Speaker 2: us again, Helena. I appreciate it. Heleni Yanchenko their life
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Speaker 2: from Kiev in Ukraine, and it is true. Other Western
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Speaker 2: nations need to step up. This war is dragging on.
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Speaker 2: We need Ukraine to win for the sake of Western democracies,
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Speaker 2: not just for their own sake. We will see what
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden does and whether Donald Trump, if he wins,
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Speaker 2: would do any more.
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Speaker 1: That's probably the great hope of the side.
26:13
Speaker 2: Let's go to our panel now, and Tim Blair is
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Speaker 2: back from the US and he's back with the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios joins us again.
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Speaker 2: Good to speak to you again, gentlemen, because I think
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Speaker 2: people around the nation will be relieved you're back together
26:27
Speaker 2: to solve the problems of the world. I actually wanted
26:31
Speaker 2: to start off our discussion today with a cartoon, and
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Speaker 2: it's from a cartoonist we don't normally highlight. It's Kathy Wilcox,
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Speaker 2: who does cartoons for the Sydney Morning herold.
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Speaker 1: No, this is Johannah Sleek. You lose that one.
26:44
Speaker 2: That's you've stolen the punchline. Lose that one, honestly, Please,
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Speaker 2: can we go to the Kathy Wilcox cartoon?
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Speaker 1: No, look, honestly, honestly to talk about chalk and cheese.
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Speaker 2: Now, Johannah's come through, and this is Kathy Wilcox's the
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Speaker 2: typical virtue signaling lefty who And there's no joke in
27:07
Speaker 2: this cartoon. She's just sad about the Albanesi and not
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Speaker 2: doing enough on climate change or on other issues around
27:14
Speaker 2: And the writing above there says that he's made himself
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Speaker 2: such a small target. He doesn't know what he's for
27:20
Speaker 2: or against anymore. So we eventually get to that cartoon.
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Speaker 2: Tim My point here is it shows that we all
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Speaker 2: know how badly Albanizi and his government are going, but
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Speaker 2: even the left, he can.
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Speaker 1: We please put your Hannah sleek away.
27:36
Speaker 2: Honestly, now it shows that even the left the virtue
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Speaker 2: signaling woke left and have lost faith in him as well.
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Speaker 12: I think they kind of look. Labor supporters have this tradition, don't.
27:50
Speaker 12: I mean, I go right back to say, nineteen eighty
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Speaker 12: three when Hawk won and within probably six or seven
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Speaker 12: weeks my labor comrades. I was a laby guy at
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Speaker 12: the time. I was not being hit all over the
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Speaker 12: place with oh, you know, Hawks, just a biggerhead of
28:05
Speaker 12: the multinationals. And like as soon as they win, they
28:08
Speaker 12: start losing. And they've done this. They gave they gave
28:11
Speaker 12: poor a little bit of grace, they gave him, you know,
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Speaker 12: a year or so, and now they're turning on him.
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Speaker 12: And yeah, there we go. Come, we have to look
28:19
Speaker 12: at that. That the leck that sorry that you had
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Speaker 12: a sleep cartoon again, I missed it the first time.
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Speaker 1: We'll come back to at the moment. But the thing is, Mark,
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Speaker 1: of course, now these god, I love it.
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Speaker 12: I'm running this.
28:38
Speaker 2: Yeahannah, don't send us the cartoon anymore made and keep grounds.
28:42
Speaker 1: Too much confused.
28:42
Speaker 2: I just want to I just want to stay on
28:45
Speaker 2: this thought for a moment. Mark The point here is
28:47
Speaker 2: the left want Albo to do all these crazy things, right,
28:50
Speaker 2: They wanted him to do more on climate change, on
28:53
Speaker 2: what was shutting the country down or whatever. But but
28:56
Speaker 2: the point is that still the disaffection is there on
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Speaker 2: both sides of the y. By trying to stand where
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Speaker 2: he thinks in the middle and do nothing, he's not
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Speaker 2: pleasing anybody.
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Speaker 13: Well that's right, yeah, you when you when you dance
29:08
Speaker 13: along the on the fence, eventually you're going to fall over.
29:10
Speaker 13: But this is this is what happens when politics becomes
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Speaker 13: a game of winning elections not actually knowing how to
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Speaker 13: implement policy and govern That's that's a that's a big
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Speaker 13: disconnect that's happened.
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Speaker 1: Like we all knew that.
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Speaker 13: Albou was going to disappoint for people that voted for him,
29:25
Speaker 13: the thirty three percent of people that voted for him,
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Speaker 13: but they were they didn't.
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Speaker 1: Know that yet.
29:29
Speaker 13: It was big wide sweaking promises and and honestly, it
29:32
Speaker 13: could happen to a better blake. He probably woke up
29:33
Speaker 13: this morning, opened up the Sydney Morning Herald, thought yep,
29:36
Speaker 13: this is it is the only publication he can read,
29:38
Speaker 13: and he just spat his coffee out when Jody care
29:41
Speaker 13: you my Sydney Morning Herald.
29:43
Speaker 2: Now, I tell you what if somebody were to offer
29:47
Speaker 2: me a job for one point five million dollars a year.
29:50
Speaker 1: I'm pretty certain I'm taken no matter what it was.
29:53
Speaker 2: So I don't think it was a tough choice for
29:54
Speaker 2: Bill Shorten today. Now this is this brings me to
29:58
Speaker 2: Bill Shorten and the Johannes link.
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Speaker 1: Caut Why don't we bring that up? Why don't we
30:02
Speaker 1: bring that up? Now? I talk about it.
30:06
Speaker 2: I've been a bit worried that I've been too mean
30:08
Speaker 2: to Bill Shorten and saying that he left us with
30:10
Speaker 2: a horrible end. I s and and and then he's
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Speaker 2: a rat living a sinking ship. Well, this is exactly
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Speaker 2: how your Hannah sees it. He's got the indie I
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Speaker 2: s on flames and sinking and elbows off with a
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Speaker 2: rat like a rat on the University of Canberra, and
30:26
Speaker 2: he's he's telling us all that he's very pain to
30:28
Speaker 2: head off into the sunset.
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Speaker 12: Chris, Yeah, I've heard otherwise. I've heard that that he's
30:34
Speaker 12: quit politics to spend more time with his next family.
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Speaker 1: That's cruel.
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Speaker 12: A cruel person would say, yes.
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Speaker 2: He's uh he's got a good gig, hasn't he Mark
30:46
Speaker 2: one and a half million dollars.
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Speaker 13: He's done very well. And and you know, the big
30:53
Speaker 13: the big news today as well as is just how many,
30:56
Speaker 13: how many students that we're bringing into the country. It
30:58
Speaker 13: does seem like this is a bit of a buddy
30:59
Speaker 13: buddy deal that the government and the university sector have
31:05
Speaker 13: got going on. It's all part of this big, this
31:08
Speaker 13: big scam, this big Ponzi scheme that's going on. But hey,
31:11
Speaker 13: actually I'm actually a big fan of Bill. I've known
31:14
Speaker 13: Bill for for years. We did a video back in
31:16
Speaker 13: the day for Bill. Believe it or not, he's probably
31:19
Speaker 13: he's made the right move here, well said, so you
31:21
Speaker 13: might jump.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like you are now the visiting professor of
31:25
Speaker 2: Animation at the University of Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Well done, well done.
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Speaker 13: Now you've caught me, got me.
31:34
Speaker 1: I want to go to a clip now.
31:35
Speaker 2: I want to be very clear about the clip that
31:37
Speaker 2: we're going to go to. Now, I'd like to go
31:38
Speaker 2: to a clip of Raygun, the Australian Olympian dancing doing
31:42
Speaker 2: some breaking in Paris.
31:44
Speaker 1: We all know her, everyone's talking about her.
31:46
Speaker 2: Here she is now the reason I bring her up
31:59
Speaker 2: again is because a lot of people are bagging her dancing.
32:01
Speaker 2: But with Bill shortened on the way out, we've got
32:04
Speaker 2: to remind people that there is another contender as Australia's
32:08
Speaker 2: worst dancer.
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Speaker 1: There.
32:22
Speaker 2: He is straight from the University of Canberra to the
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Speaker 2: LA Games as the Australian bee boy.
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Speaker 1: Tim.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's looking pretty good. By the way. People have
32:34
Speaker 12: been blocking our Olympic breaking representative sort of moves and
32:42
Speaker 12: of course we had to shoot it. It was in
32:43
Speaker 12: tremendous pain but it had been run over. But yeah,
32:46
Speaker 12: look at Bill. This is this is a guy who's
32:47
Speaker 12: now what what what's I think at one point five
32:49
Speaker 12: million to listen to this blog about or or to
32:54
Speaker 12: have him coordinating your university? Really? Okay, it actually works
32:57
Speaker 12: better in reverse there we just wound out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well the current bloke's on one point seven, so
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Speaker 2: it's anybody's guests, but I would say it's going to
33:07
Speaker 2: be around one point five, doesn't. Now, let's go to
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Speaker 2: the US and see what Kamala Harris is telling us
33:12
Speaker 2: now her latest words of wisdom.
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Speaker 14: So let us understand which we do our purpose at
33:19
Speaker 14: this very moment. Let us remember the broad shoulders upon
33:24
Speaker 14: which we stand and the traditions of this very fight
33:30
Speaker 14: that have led to what we have been able to accomplish.
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Speaker 1: You'd have to agree with that, wouldn't you. Mark. It's
33:40
Speaker 1: beautifully said.
33:41
Speaker 13: You know, I've said on these programs several times and
33:44
Speaker 13: I'm all about Trump.
33:45
Speaker 1: But geez, she's so impressive. That is beautiful. That's beautiful stuff.
33:49
Speaker 1: You can see the people.
33:50
Speaker 13: I'm just like the people in the background. I'm blue Magan.
33:52
Speaker 13: Now that's what they're calling these people, Blue Maggie.
33:54
Speaker 1: You can see the people in the background.
33:55
Speaker 10: They're not.
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Speaker 13: It doesn't make any sense, the standing on the broad shoulders,
34:01
Speaker 13: the caution of that time. I actually I do like her.
34:04
Speaker 13: I like this a lot. It sounds like she's had
34:06
Speaker 13: a couple of wives. She gets up there, she starts
34:08
Speaker 13: protect doing an Obama impression.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome. This is the best.
34:12
Speaker 13: I actually didn't expect this turn, but it's the best.
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Speaker 2: You only like her because you do so many great accents,
34:18
Speaker 2: so so many impersonations, and she's pretty good at accents.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at her in Detroit the other time.
34:24
Speaker 1: She you better thank a union number for sick leave.
34:29
Speaker 1: You better thank a union member for paid leave.
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Speaker 14: You better thank a union member for vacation time.
34:36
Speaker 2: How believable, isn't it, Tim.
34:39
Speaker 12: You better thank legal for the accent. God, she's terrible.
34:45
Speaker 12: Might explain things. I mean, you know, march mentioning. Perhaps
34:49
Speaker 12: you had sneaky glass of wine. There's a is crossing
34:52
Speaker 12: the desk of the potential next president. I'm just expecting
34:57
Speaker 12: you as as you mentioned before. And the primary thing
35:01
Speaker 12: you notice as a visitor is the place absolutely reeks
35:03
Speaker 12: a marijuana. Every big city. Every second corner you turn,
35:06
Speaker 12: you get hit with this blast of baramuana smell. So
35:09
Speaker 12: you know she's leading the right nation in that sense.
35:11
Speaker 12: She might have done, but she might be leading by example.
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Speaker 2: Chris, he just while we're on American politics, I want
35:15
Speaker 2: to show you what the ABC. They're prestigious seven thirty
35:19
Speaker 2: Current Affairs program round last night.
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Speaker 1: Have a look. Does Trump really wear a girdle on
35:26
Speaker 1: certain days? Yes?
35:28
Speaker 15: What's that about.
35:31
Speaker 16: He's a you know, he's an image oriented guy.
35:33
Speaker 1: He's a television entertainer. He does it.
35:36
Speaker 13: Hates taking pictures of him from the side because he
35:38
Speaker 13: just looks too fat.
35:39
Speaker 2: From the side.
35:40
Speaker 1: He looks take pictures had on. It's just pathetic markets.
35:45
Speaker 2: This is a blug is a nobody who was a
35:47
Speaker 2: comms advisor to Trump for about ten days and seven
35:51
Speaker 2: point thirty go to him as the oracle of American politics.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, our taxpayers at work, taxpayer dollars at work. It's
35:59
Speaker 13: beautiful stuff. I tell you what this is. This is
36:02
Speaker 13: my theory. Trump is playing four D chess. Here boys,
36:04
Speaker 13: I'm telling you right now. So platform, platform, heels, hair,
36:09
Speaker 13: doesn't want to look fat and photos what else is there?
36:12
Speaker 1: Makeup? He's a they them. It's full power transition he's doing.
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Speaker 13: It's a gender transition, which means he cannot be criticized
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Speaker 13: by the ABC and then right into the trap and.
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Speaker 1: Whoever you vote for, you get the first female president.
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Speaker 1: It's genius. Yes, it's done, it's done.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming back, market, Tim who catch you next week?
36:34
Speaker 2: And don't forget that cartoon of Johannah Sleeks. It'll be
36:37
Speaker 2: in the Australian tomorrow. We've got to take a break.
36:39
Speaker 2: On the other side, I've got to catch up with
36:41
Speaker 2: former Labor MP Michael Danby to find out his thoughts
36:44
Speaker 2: on Bill Shorten's shock exit and also looking your head
36:48
Speaker 2: to how the Sydney teams are dominating AFL finals talk.
36:56
Speaker 2: Let's get back to the spis exit of Bill Shorten
36:59
Speaker 2: from federal politics and what it really means for the
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Speaker 2: Labor Party. I'm joined by former Labor MP Michael Danby
37:05
Speaker 2: from Melbourne. Good to talk to you again, Michael. Bill
37:08
Speaker 2: Bill Shorton never rose to the heights that he dreamed of.
37:11
Speaker 2: Of course, he got to lead the Labor Party, but
37:12
Speaker 2: didn't get to become Prime minister. What does his exit
37:16
Speaker 2: tell us about the state of the Federal Labor Party
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Speaker 2: right now?
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Speaker 16: Well, Bill Shorten will be the last Labor Right leader elected.
37:25
Speaker 16: Under the system created by Kevin Rudd. The membership have
37:29
Speaker 16: fifty percent of the vote and they're always more left
37:31
Speaker 16: wing than the parliamentarians. So you'll never have someone in
37:35
Speaker 16: the political center like a Bob Hawk or even a
37:38
Speaker 16: Kevin Rudd or a Bill Shorten there again. So sadly
37:43
Speaker 16: I have to report to you, Chris, whether Albanese has
37:47
Speaker 16: abolished the right to victorians to vote in Labor members
37:52
Speaker 16: to vote in pre selections at for the next round
37:56
Speaker 16: or not. That the Labor Right has never been more
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Speaker 16: ideologically or organizationally bankrupt. So with the death of Kimberley
38:06
Speaker 16: Kitching and now Bill's exit. It's not good news for
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Speaker 16: Australia because you always need two viable political parties. Now
38:14
Speaker 16: you'll never hear this on the ABC, but it's the
38:18
Speaker 16: socialist left that dominate all the major portfolios, including the
38:21
Speaker 16: Prime ministership. And you can see that on all the
38:24
Speaker 16: policy issues that matter to Australians, including some of the
38:28
Speaker 16: madcap schemes of Chris bow and a so called right winger,
38:32
Speaker 16: or the failures of a treasurer when he was talking
38:36
Speaker 16: about Gaza and Peter Dutton, that these blokes are bereft
38:42
Speaker 16: of any difference.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the sad thing.
38:44
Speaker 16: This would just support them.
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Speaker 1: This is so sad for.
38:46
Speaker 2: The Labor Party and for the country though because of
38:49
Speaker 2: because it's when the Labor right has been predominant and
38:53
Speaker 2: leading the ALP that they've been most successful as a party,
38:57
Speaker 2: and when they've contributed most of the country.
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Speaker 16: Yeah. Well, you know, for instance, Chalmers is no Bob
39:05
Speaker 16: Hawk on national security or Paul Keeping on economic policy.
39:10
Speaker 16: And it's sad that we've gone this way. I noticed
39:13
Speaker 16: the whole government, Richard Marlessey, even my old friend Don Farrell.
39:17
Speaker 16: Now they won't whisper the word China, despite the fact
39:21
Speaker 16: that the Chinese are bumping into Filipino ships one of
39:24
Speaker 16: our allies, that there are menacing activities that taking place
39:28
Speaker 16: all over this part of the world. You should be
39:30
Speaker 16: at least allowed to whisper the word And Jim Chalmers
39:33
Speaker 16: should have disassociated himself or said nothing about Dutton when
39:38
Speaker 16: he was talking about people who have how Mus affiliations
39:42
Speaker 16: coming into Australia. It's just a shocker, you know, I
39:44
Speaker 16: mean just it was a perfect opportunity from the man
39:48
Speaker 16: who would be king to distinguish himself from this socialist
39:53
Speaker 16: left government. Just a mild difference, and people like you
39:56
Speaker 16: and me would have said, now there's a bloke who's got.
39:59
Speaker 1: A bit of yeah. Instead he weighed in just on
40:03
Speaker 1: related issues.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the independent candidate for
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Speaker 2: the seat of wet Watson, that's a Tony Burke's seat
40:08
Speaker 2: in Sydney, doctor Zad baz Uni. We're focused on him before,
40:12
Speaker 2: but there's been more reporting of social media posts that
40:16
Speaker 2: he's retweeted and liked in the past, which seem to
40:20
Speaker 2: be celebrating the humus atrocity of October the seventh last year.
40:25
Speaker 2: Here's what Peter Dutton has said about this.
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Speaker 5: Today, Tony Burk needs to stand up and say that
40:31
Speaker 5: he will not accept or give preferences to this independent
40:35
Speaker 5: candidate who has sought to support the glorification of the
40:41
Speaker 5: slaughter of twelve hundred people in the October seven attacks.
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Speaker 1: What's your view, Michael about what Labour should do?
40:49
Speaker 16: Just like Kamala Harris, the media should ask this flow.
40:53
Speaker 16: You know, do you support the murder execution of six
40:57
Speaker 16: innocent people by Humas in their terror dungeons. You've got
41:02
Speaker 16: to call them out and Labor look, first of all,
41:05
Speaker 16: I think the Muslim vote thirty percent in Claire and
41:10
Speaker 16: Burke's electorates. I don't think that they'll poll more than
41:14
Speaker 16: either of those two. And the second point is I
41:17
Speaker 16: don't think most Islamic people in those electorates will vote
41:22
Speaker 16: for a so called Muslim vote candidate. And if they do,
41:26
Speaker 16: who are they going to give their preferences to the
41:29
Speaker 16: Green Party whose views on women and gay people are
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Speaker 16: very different to the Islamists. Tony Burke shouldn't take preferences
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Speaker 16: from them, and Labor Party shouldn't take preferences from the
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Speaker 16: Green Party. I hope Peter Duncan's going to refuse green preferences,
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Speaker 16: a preference swap all over Australia should and Labour should
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Speaker 16: do the same because it's going to count. Hearing inner
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Speaker 16: city seats like Wills and McNamara.
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Speaker 1: Sure sure will.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it, Michael downby
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Speaker 2: the former Labor MP joining us from Melbourne. Now we're
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Speaker 2: at the business end of the footy season with plenty
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Speaker 2: of games to keep an eye on over this weekend
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Speaker 2: with the AFL finals underway. There's elimination finals with the
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Speaker 2: Dogs and the Hawks and the Lions and the Blues.
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Speaker 1: But for Sydney it's a bit of a watershed moment.
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Speaker 2: The Battle of the Bridge between the Swans and the
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Speaker 2: Giants is actually a contest here between two of the
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Speaker 2: main premiership contenders. They've met three times before in finals,
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Speaker 2: with the Giants actually beating their crosstown rival each time.
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Speaker 1: To be tough game for us.
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Speaker 12: We're fully aware of that.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have a cracklock.
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Speaker 12: We do in every game, but we know it's going
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Speaker 12: to be a tough ask to beat them, particularly in
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Speaker 12: front of their home crowd.
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Speaker 17: Hopefully run out there plenty of red and white and
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Speaker 17: they're at full voice.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're going to make the most of it.
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Speaker 1: We're going to make sure we.
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Speaker 8: Go out there and compete really hard against a high
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Speaker 8: quality team.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in the GW West Giants, Cham and Tim Reed.
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Speaker 1: Tim, good to talk to you again.
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Speaker 2: We spoke early in the season when the Battle of
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Speaker 2: the Bridge was like the biggest game of the round
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Speaker 2: and in my humble opinion, the Giants and the Swans
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Speaker 2: are the two Premiership favorites of this stage.
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of the Melbourne media are trying
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Speaker 1: to make a.
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Speaker 2: Case for Victorian teams, but tell you what, this is
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Speaker 2: a clash of two teams who could go all the way,
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Speaker 2: isn't it.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, Chris, it's great to be back with you. Absolutely.
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Speaker 18: Both teams are in great form. Both teams have had
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Speaker 18: great seasons, seasons where they've played some phenomenal footy and
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Speaker 18: times where they've come off the boil, but have both
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Speaker 18: got back there to be where we are this weekend,
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Speaker 18: and what a cracker game it's going to be on
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Speaker 18: Saturday afternoon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've both had slumps during the year, but you're
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Speaker 2: both back now. You've had injury problems as well, but
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Speaker 2: it's going to be absolutely cracking.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: The point is, for those who don't follow it that closely,
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Speaker 2: both teams have a double chance. So whoever loses this
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Speaker 2: game on Saturday afternoon gets to play on in the
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Speaker 2: finals and can only you can only meet up again
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Speaker 2: then on Grand Final Day?
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Speaker 1: Do you dare to think about that?
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Speaker 2: A battle of the bridge at the MCG on Grand
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Speaker 2: Final Day.
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Speaker 18: Look, as a club, we take it one game at
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Speaker 18: a time and I think you heard Adam Kingsley there
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Speaker 18: acknowledge it's going to be a tough match and we're
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Speaker 18: focused entirely on that. But of course everyone dreams and
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Speaker 18: gets ahead and how great would it be for footy
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Speaker 18: in Sydney and in New South Wales if it was
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Speaker 18: a Giants Swan's Grand Final. You know it'd do an
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Speaker 18: enormous amount to lift the game here. But to be
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Speaker 18: honest with you, our priority is making sure the Giants
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Speaker 18: get there and get there in great form and ready
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Speaker 18: to compete.
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Speaker 1: And you support.
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Speaker 2: Just give us a quick update on the numbers of
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Speaker 2: members and tickets you're selling.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 18: Absolutely, it's been a great season for us. We've had
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Speaker 18: double digit rises in our membership, in game attendance, five
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Speaker 18: of our home games will sellouts this year, merchandise sales,
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Speaker 18: all of those things are up double digit amounts. And
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Speaker 18: one of the great things about the Swan and the
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Speaker 18: Giants both performing well is footy in Sydney is just
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Speaker 18: a topic of conversation exactly. Grass that flows through to membership,
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Speaker 18: it flows through to attendance, and frankly at grassroots level
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Speaker 18: it flows through to participation. So across the board the
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Speaker 18: numbers look good and on field it's looking even better.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, good luck on Saturday.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tim, Tim Reid there from the
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Speaker 2: AFL Giants, and it is great for footy in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, which is why I talk it up.
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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of kids.
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Speaker 2: Playing the great game in this state as well, you
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Speaker 2: mark my words. Though someone has to lose on Saturday,
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Speaker 2: I reckon they could meet up again on Grand Final day.
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be something? Victorians might hate it, but it
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Speaker 2: would be something. Now after the break, going to catch
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Speaker 2: up with former Foreign Minister Alexander Down I talk about
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Speaker 2: why President Joe Biden is just so wrong when it
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Speaker 2: comes to Middle East peace negotiations. Now you remember on
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Speaker 2: Tuesday night, I showed you what Joe Biden had said
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Speaker 2: in the US. This is just days after six Israeli
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Speaker 2: high mostages were slaughtered by Hamas.
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Speaker 1: And yet the President said this.
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Speaker 13: Old friends of town, Mister President, do you think it's
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Speaker 13: time for per Prime Minister net and Yahoo could do
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Speaker 13: more on the issue.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he's doing enough?
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Speaker 2: No, It's just extraordinary that the president, the leader of
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Speaker 2: the free world, after six Israeli hostages were slaughtered, he
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Speaker 2: put more pressure on Israel to give concessions rather than
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Speaker 2: on Hamas. And I heard afterwards the Israeli Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: Benjamin net Yahoo make that same point much much more powerfully.
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Speaker 17: So I asked you, what has changed?
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Speaker 1: What has changed this week?
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Speaker 17: What's changed is that they murdered six of our hostages.
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Speaker 12: In cold blood.
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Speaker 17: Now the world was seriously demanded as will make concessions
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Speaker 17: after this massacre. What message is this sent to Hamas.
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Speaker 17: I'll tell you what the message is. Murder more hostages,
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Speaker 17: you'll get more concessions. That's not only a logical, it's
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Speaker 17: not only a moral. It's not right insane.
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Speaker 2: Former Foreign Minister Alexander Downa joins me from Adelaide good
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Speaker 2: to talk to Alexander Benjamin Etna.
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Speaker 1: Who's so right, isn't he? The pressure needs to be
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Speaker 1: on Hamas, not on Israel.
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Speaker 15: It's a very simple, and frankly, I think, a very
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Speaker 15: moral point. When Hamas, which is a prescribed terrorist organization,
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Speaker 15: murders in cold blood six Israelis, you would think that
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Speaker 15: countries believe that believe in freedom would come out and
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Speaker 15: just condemn it as the most egregious act by a
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Speaker 15: terrorist organization and support the Israelis at this time. But
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Speaker 15: instead they do give comfort to Hamas. They start criticizing
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Speaker 15: the Israeli government. I mean, the British gou was even
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Speaker 15: worse than President Biden by deciding just at that time
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Speaker 15: to announce, you know, two days later, to announce a
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Speaker 15: limited arms embargo on armed sales to Israel. I mean,
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Speaker 15: it just shows you how feckless we the West is
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Speaker 15: in dealing with terrorist organization.
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Speaker 2: But this sort of response can only be counter productive. Canada,
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Speaker 2: that only just spell in strengthens the arm of the
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Speaker 2: terrorist group rather than strengthen the arm of the of
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Speaker 2: the of the democratic nation that's trying to defeat them.
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Speaker 15: Time and time again, the West have given propaganda victories
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Speaker 15: to Hamas. I mean, we had a little example here
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Speaker 15: in Australia after what Hammas did on the seventh of October,
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Speaker 15: we had our Foreign Minister saying that now was the
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Speaker 15: time to consider recognizing a Palestinian state. I mean, this
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Speaker 15: just encourages these terrorist organizations. And I think, to be
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Speaker 15: fair to Hammas, they've run a very successful propaganda campaign
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Speaker 15: and they have got these people like the British Labor government,
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Speaker 15: the labor government here and of course the left of
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Speaker 15: center government in the United States of President Biden. They've
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Speaker 15: got the meeting out of their propaganda hands. I mean,
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Speaker 15: it's just it's just fearful to watch. And the constant
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Speaker 15: attacking by the west On Prime minister ness in Yahoo
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Speaker 15: is really very very unwise, and it is Netan. Yahoo
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Speaker 15: is as a stalwart. Here's just hanging in there is.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Alexander. I appreciate Alexander. Down of there.
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Speaker 2: That's all the time we've got for you tonight. Finished
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Speaker 2: with that moral and strategic clarity. I'll see you next week.