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WHY Do Women Often Refuse To Take Responsibility? · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. I'm your host, Allison,
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  Speaker 1: and today we have some excellent fare, some really really
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  Speaker 1: really good food for you all to and by that
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's total crap. All right, So this is
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  Speaker 1: another installment and women can't take responsibility for nothing. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to just lay a statistic on you guys,
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  Speaker 1: just starting out, before we even dive into it. Something
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  Speaker 1: like fourteen percent of men refuse to don't want to
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  Speaker 1: date a man or a woman who's taller, and something
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  Speaker 1: like fifty percent of women will not date a man
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  Speaker 1: who is not just shorter, but not at least four
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  Speaker 1: inches taller than herself. So all of the studies when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to height, all of them show that women
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  Speaker 1: are much more discerning about the heights of their partners
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  Speaker 1: than men are, right, So I just want you to
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  Speaker 1: hold that factoid in mind as we go through the
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  Speaker 1: first of two articles in which women can take no
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  Speaker 1: responsibility for themselves or their choices. And I want you
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  Speaker 1: to hold that factoid in mind because the first article
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  Speaker 1: is going to be about how the patriarchy is responsible
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  Speaker 1: for women wanting tall men, and by tall men, I
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  Speaker 1: mean not just taller than average, but taller than six foot,
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  Speaker 1: which is well above average and applies to only about
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  Speaker 1: what ten percent of men. I think it might be
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  Speaker 1: five percent, So we're talking about a very small subset
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  Speaker 1: of the male population. But as you will find out,
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  Speaker 1: my friends, it is not women's fault that they prefer
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  Speaker 1: five percent of the male population. Oh no, it's not
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  Speaker 1: their fault that they prefer tall men. It is, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: the fault of patriarchy. And when I say patriarchy, we
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  Speaker 1: all know what that means. It's the fault of men.
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  Speaker 1: So it's men's fault that women prefer tall men. You
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  Speaker 1: all collectively came together and said, let's disenfranchise ninety five
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  Speaker 1: percent of men and make it so that they can't
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  Speaker 1: have any kind of relationship or it's much more difficult
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  Speaker 1: for them to have a relationship, and give all of
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  Speaker 1: that to the top. That's that was. That's all on you.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, check you may not have remembered, but
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  Speaker 1: just look back in your in your journal, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in your in your time, in your business time calendar,
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  Speaker 1: and remember that you were at the patriarchal meeting where
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  Speaker 1: that was decided. Okay, so before I get into it,
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  Speaker 1: And should all be in the low bar, all right,
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, oops, the start and in the middle just a second, guys,
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  Speaker 1: let me bring it to the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: It's not evolution that keeps short men disadvantaged in the
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  Speaker 2: dating market, but no one wants to name the real problem. Well, Wolf,
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  Speaker 2: if you're a man who is shorter than six feet tall,
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  Speaker 2: is it impossible to find love as a woman. I
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  Speaker 2: obviously can't answer that with any certainty, but based on
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  Speaker 2: what I see online, the answer appears to be a
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  Speaker 2: resum yes. The comments.
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  Speaker 1: So guys, what do you guys think of my new
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  Speaker 1: animation paired with the voice? Is it horrifying enough? Just
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  Speaker 1: just tell me. I'll see what the special chat has
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  Speaker 1: to say. Oh, Chris Menzo, Yeah, short men do get
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  Speaker 1: married every day. I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just
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  Speaker 1: more and more difficult, just like fat women get married
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  Speaker 1: every day. Doesn't mean that there isn't you know, biased
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  Speaker 1: or if you want to call it that against women
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  Speaker 1: of size. All right, let's see what's going on. Let's
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  Speaker 1: see if there's anything technical difficulties. Yep, there's always technical difficulties.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, it was just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a time overrun. That's why we started a little late. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: shall we continue?
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  Speaker 2: And complaints are everywhere. Men are making social media reels
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  Speaker 2: about it, and you'll hear their frustration in the comment
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  Speaker 2: sections of anything from red pill content feminist media. I
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  Speaker 2: found this one in response to a recent episode of
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  Speaker 2: Boy Problems featuring Scott Galloway. I can't tell you how
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  Speaker 2: many dating profiles I have read from.
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  Speaker 1: I believe she's quoting Scott Galloway here. It's not very
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  Speaker 1: clear in the article because grammar is a patriarchal construct as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, college educated women in their thirty to forties who
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  Speaker 2: say that they won't date somebody under six feet on paper,
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  Speaker 2: I'm everything a woman should want, except I'm five feet
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  Speaker 2: six inches. I can't tell you how much rejection I
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  Speaker 2: have had based on that alone, both online and in
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  Speaker 2: real life. I've actually given up. Clearly, this is a
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  Speaker 2: major problem that men are facing. From what I can tell,
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  Speaker 2: few men under six feet tall are getting dates, and
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  Speaker 2: most of them have, like this guy, given up.
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  Speaker 1: So she admits that this is a problem, and again
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  Speaker 1: I've explained that a lot of times when they engage
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  Speaker 1: in this kind of sophistry, they will admit that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: the problem exists, but we're going to go into why
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  Speaker 1: it shouldn't matter. And it's also men's fault, So even
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  Speaker 1: if it does exist, it's not the fault of women
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  Speaker 1: who are doing the choosing it is indeed the fault
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  Speaker 1: of patriarchy, and by patriarchy we mean men. But the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of all of this, she of course says, oh, yep,
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  Speaker 1: they're right. This is a problem. This does exist. This
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  Speaker 1: is something. This is a discrimination that short men face
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  Speaker 1: in the dating market. Patently considering that the Tinder is
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  Speaker 1: now rolling out their their height filter, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be reducing short men's odds even more.
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  Speaker 1: And when they did look at it, I mean, there's
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  Speaker 1: there's women may not all filter for height, but they
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  Speaker 1: sure as heck aren't filtering for you know, being short,
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  Speaker 1: Like I won't take any man over five foot six.
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  Speaker 1: But the women who do filter for height are a
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  Speaker 1: significant part of the population, and they are filtering for
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  Speaker 1: very tall or taller men, and a far smaller percentage
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  Speaker 1: of men than It's ridiculous, like you all, all of
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  Speaker 1: you want the top five percent of men. It's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna work, right, So this is a problem. Ultimately, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just a problem for men. It's also a problem
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  Speaker 1: for women. But that's further along. Let's let's continue.
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  Speaker 2: I'm tempted to ask if it's really that bad. After all,
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  Speaker 2: I've never cared how tall a man is. And I've
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  Speaker 2: rarely met another woman who had strict height standards for
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  Speaker 2: a man.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, this doesn't apply to me, folks. Therefore
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  Speaker 1: it's not reality, right like and the men's experience because
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  Speaker 1: and this is one of the sort of insidious things
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  Speaker 1: that happens with this particular line of reasoning, because men
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  Speaker 1: are the oppressors. The oppressed always have more understanding of
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  Speaker 1: the experience of the oppressors than the reverse. So within
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  Speaker 1: it's it's called standpoint theory. So women have more understanding
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  Speaker 1: of men's experience than men do because men are oppressors
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  Speaker 1: in the feminist framework. So in this little insidious because
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  Speaker 1: that's in part what she's appealing to.
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  Speaker 2: She is a.
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  Speaker 1: Woman, therefore she understands the male experience more than men do.
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  Speaker 1: And in this case, because men are talking about women's desires,
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  Speaker 1: she's also saying that, oh, because that doesn't that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: show what she wants, or that isn't representative of what
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  Speaker 1: she wants. There isn't a problem, or she doesn't think
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  Speaker 1: there she suspects there isn't a problem, Like men are
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  Speaker 1: just making this up. They're just making it up. Right,
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  Speaker 1: For what before before I entertain this. Could the women
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  Speaker 1: who think that men are making it up the women
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  Speaker 1: want tall men? Could you, or even the men who
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  Speaker 1: believe that and that it's a problem. Could you explain
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  Speaker 1: to me the motive for men to invent the idea
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  Speaker 1: that women mostly want tall men. What's the motive here?
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  Speaker 1: Why would short men do that? Well, why would short
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  Speaker 1: men go out of their way to be resentful over
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  Speaker 1: something that's not happening. I mean, it's not like they're
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  Speaker 1: going to get an NGO and a fat board position
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  Speaker 1: on the on the Non government Organizational Advocacy for Short Men,
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  Speaker 1: which which has a annual budget of ten million and
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  Speaker 1: expenditures of fifty thousand, Wait, five hundred thousand, because it
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  Speaker 1: has to be at least five percent. Right, I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: referring to something. I'm referring to feminist NGOs, and the
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  Speaker 1: board members all get like forty thousand for half an
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  Speaker 1: hour work a month. Right, it's short men aren't gonna
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  Speaker 1: get anything from complaining about something. They're not gonna get
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  Speaker 1: money thrown at them. Men aren't gonna get money thrown
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  Speaker 1: at them for complaining about anything. So one, she's using
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  Speaker 1: standpoint theory. Women understand men more than men understand themselves,
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  Speaker 1: because men are oppressors, and the oppressed understand the oppressors
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  Speaker 1: more than the blah blah blah. And then she's also
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  Speaker 1: doing the whole thing. Well, I don't do that, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not it can't be a big problem, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. And then she's and then also explain to
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  Speaker 1: me the motive for short men to complain about shortness
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  Speaker 1: knocking them out of the dating market if you're so
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  Speaker 1: sure that's what they're doing. And finally, once again, remember
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  Speaker 1: that statistic that I started out with that women in
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  Speaker 1: every study are more concerned about the height of their
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  Speaker 1: partner than men are. So men will date taller women,
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  Speaker 1: women will not date shorter men, and more women are
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  Speaker 1: explicitly like, this is a deal breaker for more women
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  Speaker 1: than it is for men. So women are the majority
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  Speaker 1: of the people who are forcing this. And yes, it's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be all women, but you don't need
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  Speaker 1: it to be all women to have a severe distorting
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  Speaker 1: effect on the dating landscape. All right, let's continue further.
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  Speaker 2: We already know this isn't a deal breaker by any means.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise five feet seven inches isn't exactly hurting for
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  Speaker 2: female attention. Robert Downey Junior five feet eight inches hasn't
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  Speaker 2: had a difficult time finding love. I've never heard anyone
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  Speaker 2: call out Mark Wahlberg five feet eight inches for being
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  Speaker 2: too short. But it's clear that this is a huge
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  Speaker 2: pain point for men. Taken as a whole, it seems
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  Speaker 2: to be a problem that is negatively affecting their mental health.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, like I said, yeah, I totally agree, this
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  Speaker 1: is a problem. Now here here we're now. Let me
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  Speaker 1: lay out my spiel about how it's men's fault so
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to give a crap. Oh but also,
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  Speaker 1: I love the multimillionaire famous men aren't having a problem. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably harder to become a multimillionaire actor than it
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  Speaker 1: is to go through one of those leg lengthening surgeries,
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  Speaker 1: which are very dangerous. By the way, don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: But oh good lord, Okay, let's keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Almost as much as the male loneliness crisis, or rather
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  Speaker 2: it seems to be one of the causes of the
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  Speaker 2: male loneliness crisis, So let's take a closer look. The
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  Speaker 2: first thing that you will hear from both men those
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  Speaker 2: under six feet tall and the media is that not
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  Speaker 2: meeting this height standard is a cruel hand to be
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  Speaker 2: dealt in a world filled with women who are biologically.
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  Speaker 1: Getting really freaking tired of uh cheered trezo in the chat. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Asian men get married all the time, and they're all
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  Speaker 1: under six feet. They're also from traditional cultures where there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure for people to get married and
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  Speaker 1: have children. And also they're not competing with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of men who are tall. I'm sure that the effect
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  Speaker 1: holds in Asia, even if it isn't the minimum being
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  Speaker 1: six foot. But here's the thing, it doesn't matter. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter that there are short men getting married. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter that Robert Downey Junior got married or multiple
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  Speaker 1: times or has supermodels. That doesn't matter. We are talking
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  Speaker 1: about something that is more likely to be experienced by
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  Speaker 1: short men, which is discrimination in the dating landscape. That's it,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Look like ants don't change the fact that
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  Speaker 1: this exists. Women don't just want men who are taller,
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  Speaker 1: they want men who are significantly taller. So, in other words,
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  Speaker 1: the most common arrangement is a woman who is this
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  Speaker 1: average height with a man who is of above average height. Right,
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  Speaker 1: where does that leave a lot of men who are
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  Speaker 1: average and below locked out, not completely. Some of them
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  Speaker 1: who are very handsome, you know, they're mesomorphs with a
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  Speaker 1: great physique, they have tons of they have fuck you money,
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  Speaker 1: or they're really charming. You know, it'll leave you out.
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  Speaker 1: But the rest who don't are just normal. They're a
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  Speaker 1: little bit screwed. That's the point. And no matter how
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  Speaker 1: much you point to Oh, look at this famous dude
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  Speaker 1: with lots of money, he gets chicks and he's short. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're sort of proving the point. Look at this charming dude,
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  Speaker 1: he's super charmed, he gets chicks. Yeah, well, not everybody
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  Speaker 1: is super charming. Not every short man is super charming,
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  Speaker 1: not every short man is athletic. Overall, shortness is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a deficit in dating women, Okay, and that
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  Speaker 1: could be a frustrating. It could be really frustrating because
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  Speaker 1: there's this is actually sort of extremely deranged behavior on
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  Speaker 1: the part of women. I'm gonna get into why as
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  Speaker 1: we go. Remind me, remind me of explaining why this
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  Speaker 1: is sort of deranged.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, can we tackle the term tall please?
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  Speaker 2: What does that even mean? I'm sure the answer to
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  Speaker 2: that question would be for a man. Anyone over six
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  Speaker 2: feet anything less for a man is considered short. But
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  Speaker 2: did you know that the average American man is between
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  Speaker 2: sixty seven and sixty nine inches.
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  Speaker 1: Just in case I just want to point something out,
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  Speaker 1: she is true, This is accurate. Six foot is well
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  Speaker 1: above average, three inches above average. She doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: a lot, But in terms of population distributions, it ends
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  Speaker 1: up being like over six foot ends up being like
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  Speaker 1: five percent of the population. Right, So she's right, But
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  Speaker 1: there's a subtle bit of ideological bullshit that she's also
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  Speaker 1: already threading through something that's factually correct for men. For men,
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  Speaker 1: anything under six foot is short for men. She's saying
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  Speaker 1: that men are making the standard. You see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: She's already started. She's already started making the excuses for.
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  Speaker 2: When you're as slow at doing math in your head
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  Speaker 2: as I am. That's between five feet seven inches and
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  Speaker 2: five feet nine inches. So if that's the average, I
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  Speaker 2: can't see any justification in calling everything below six feet
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  Speaker 2: on a man short. These descriptors, remember, are made up
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  Speaker 2: much like pretty and ugly. They are the words that
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  Speaker 2: don't mean anything outside the cultural context in which they exist.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, huh.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back to the point, the alleged evolutionary advantage
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  Speaker 2: tall men have when it comes to attracting sexual partners.
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  Speaker 2: If you've read my work before, you know how much
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  Speaker 2: it irks me to see evolutionary psychology and gender essentialism
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  Speaker 2: used as arguments for anything. The latter has been debunked,
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  Speaker 2: and the former is constantly misinterpreted and manipulated through lens
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  Speaker 2: of patriarchal biases and narratives. In early human days, were
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  Speaker 2: taller men actually at an advantage?
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  Speaker 1: I think this must be AI in early human days
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  Speaker 1: mean history better able? Yes the answer? Okay, let me
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  Speaker 1: just let her elaborate on her point.
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  Speaker 2: Were taller men actually at an advantage? Better able to
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  Speaker 2: protect their mate and children, better able to bring them food.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, there's no evolutionary advantage to a man
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  Speaker 2: being over six feet.
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  Speaker 1: Tall, probably not over six feet tall. But there is
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  Speaker 1: an evolutionary advantage to height to a degree. Like at
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  Speaker 1: some point it drops off because increasing height is comorbid
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  Speaker 1: with circulatory like heart issues. But there was definitely an
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  Speaker 1: evolutionary advantage to height there used to be. They might
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  Speaker 1: still do it. There's a tribe in Africa in which
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  Speaker 1: the men walk After a tribe a pride of lions
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  Speaker 1: has made a kill, the men will walk into the
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  Speaker 1: pride and grab a hunk off the antelope and walk
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  Speaker 1: out again. Now this is actually really remarkable because humans
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  Speaker 1: aren't that big. I mean, I guess we technically qualify
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  Speaker 1: as a megafauna, especially some of us in the modern era,
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  Speaker 1: But we aren't actually that big. We're more of a
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  Speaker 1: medium sized mammal, and yet we are able to perform
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  Speaker 1: astounding feats of intimidation. Now why is that. It's because
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  Speaker 1: we're bipedal. It's because we're tall. So an animal looks
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  Speaker 1: at us and instead of seeing sort of an average
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  Speaker 1: sized can of spam, it sees something far more intimidating
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  Speaker 1: because we look taller than we actually are. We'd look
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  Speaker 1: bigger than we actually are because we're tall because of
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  Speaker 1: our height. And yes, height did confer an evolutionary advantage
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  Speaker 1: in terms of intimidation. Human beings got where they are
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  Speaker 1: because they were intimidating because of their height, and men
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  Speaker 1: are taller, and this is a This is an evolutionary
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  Speaker 1: difference that persists despite the fact that human beings are
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  Speaker 1: pair bonders, which is another thing she's gonna lie or
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  Speaker 1: ass about human beings are pair bonders. And yes, there
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  Speaker 1: were genetic pinched points in our past, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: do not that doesn't actually, that doesn't actually counter or
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  Speaker 1: contradict the idea that we're pair bonders. There were just
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  Speaker 1: two things that happened in our past that reduced the
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  Speaker 1: amount of males significantly. Could have been diseased, could have
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  Speaker 1: been social factors, don't know, but regardless, as soon as
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  Speaker 1: those pinch points ended, we went right back to one man,
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  Speaker 1: one woman. And most societies that are polygonis, most relationships
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  Speaker 1: are monogamous between a man and a woman. So this
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: is our usual way of mating, and it's how we evolved.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: We actually it wasn't how we evolved. We split off.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: The ancestor that we shared with chimps was a pair bonder.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Chimps split off and became what chimps and bonobos are,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and we remained pair bonders. And pair bonders have certain
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: animatomical features, and one of them is that we tend
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: to have the same size. So it's interesting that despite
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the fact that human beings are pair bonders, men retained
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: that height defferenterence, and there's probably a good reason why,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and that reason is, like most social mammals, male humans
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: tend to be more involved in the protection of territory.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: In the defense of territory, right, so it's likely that
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that conferred an evolutionary advantage in terms of intimidating predators. Okay,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: just like that African tribe and it's men walking into
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the into the lion pride and grabbing a hunk of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: antelope and walking right out. Why can they do that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: because they're tall, So she is full of shit. Height
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: does confer an evolutionary advantage. There's other there's more recent
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: evidence of this as well. Men who were tall were
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: more likely to survive war. And this is where, okay,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get into why it's so depraved what
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: women want in the dating landscape. Now, men who survived
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: World War One and World War II are taller because
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: they survived, so their descendants, the sons of the men
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: who survived World War one and World War two, are
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the tallest human beings in human history. As a result
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of that winnowing pressure of two gigantic wars, which established
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the prosperity that allow avocado toast millennial women to cogitate
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: to say, oh, I don't want to date anyone under
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: six feet. I mean that to me is so flip
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and depraved. Like we're looking at right now. We live
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: in an arrow where men are taller than ever because
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: their grandfathers and great grandfathers died in war, leaving tall
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: men to produce taller sons. And here you are saying
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: that's not good enough? Are you fucking mental? All right?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Moving on?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: The qualities we assigned to tall men are purely the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: product of our patriarchal condition.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Hey, here, here we go.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: We've been programmed to perceive height as an indicator of
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: strength in men. As Susan Kraus Whitburne, PhD. Notes, taller
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: men may only seem stronger because we conflate height with
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: weight and strength. Further, the strength, stoicism, and confidence we
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: might attribute to taller.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: And again, you remember the African tribe walking in the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: tribesmen walking into a lion pride getting a hunk of antelope.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Do you know why they could do that? Because other
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: animals associate height with weight and strength, and they think
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that human beings are a lot stronger and heavier than
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: they actually are because of our bipedalism makes us quite tall.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So don't give me this shit. This is an evolved
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: trait that other, even other animals, share, Sorry, my dear,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: aren't wrong.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Men is often the product of the social cloud they
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: receive just from being taller. Taller men, as kress Witbourne suggests,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: tend to experience more social deference simply due to their height,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: which leads them to feel that they have superior qualities,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and that, of course affects how others perceive them. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: also want to point out that the arguments we tend
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: to lean on when it comes to evolutionary psychology are
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: often just patriarchal narratives that have no basis in fact.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's ironic that she's talking about having no basis
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: in fact, because again broken record time, feminist patriarchy has
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: never been proven to any standard. And what I mean
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: by feminist patriarchy is the causal relationship between men in
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: authority and women oppressed. You can't just assert that men
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in authority equals women oppressed. You have to prove it right,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and that has never happened, not in the entire history
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: a feminist scholarship. Have they ever been challenged to prove
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: their assertions. They just walked into an empty field, which
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: is analysis of gender relationships, blurted out the first thing
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that came to mind, and for some reason, the rest
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: of academia was like, oh, okay, you don't need to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: have any kind of academic grigor applied to that assert
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: whatever you want, little ladies. So feminist patriarchy has never
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: been proven. Their conjecture about it never been proven, right,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: we don't have to disprove it. It's never been proven.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And now she's beeking off about how evolutionary psychology has
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: never been proven, right, Well, at least it's being held
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: to some kind of standard, lady, that feminism has never
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: been held to. But the other thing is that there's
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: sort of an interesting This is a little bit of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: an academic conflict peaking up through medium bullshit like this,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: this woman's bullshit argument. Feminists are now in conflict with
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: evolutionary psychology theories of the relationship between the genders. Now
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I have my own problem with evosych but it certainly
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: is a step forward relative to feminism, like feminism is. Basically,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: feminism is like seventeenth century science, like it's actually worse.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: It's basically like thirteenth century superstition, you know, and then
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you start with alchemy, and then you start
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: evolving into chemistry, and then you know physics, et cetera.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: With feminism it's still at not even alchemy. It's like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: pre alchemy. It's like, I don't know, associative witchcraft. It
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is so primitive and so un unproven. And then we
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: have evo psych sort of honing in on the feminist territory.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: That's why she's calling evo psych out, because you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: she's got a she's you know, evo psych isn't rep
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: bacting where every everywhere Feminism pissed, and to prove that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: it was their territory, evosykes are calling homing in there.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: There is a conflict now between these two potential explanations
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: for how men and women relate.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: We tend to project modern days, social structures and behaviors
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: onto the past, and because that's how we live now,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: we assume that's what was happening back then. For instance,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: we love to argue that women are attracted to big, tall, muscular,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: confident men, because our most primitive early human instincts would
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: tell us he could bring meat back to the cave.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, so evil psych. Evil psych says, this is why
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: men or women are attracted to tall, muscular, confident men, right,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and she's saying, Oh, that's bullshit. That explanation is bullshit.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Does that thus mean that women are not attracted to tall, muscular,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: confident men, Lady, go look at all of the covers
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: for Romanticy that are being pumped out content constantly for
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a romance novel, and then and then say this this nonsense.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: That he would be able to protect his mate and children.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: The problem with that is simple. Early humans didn't live
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: that way. Uh, they weren't monogamous for one thing.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, they were early humans. Earlier back you go, the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: more likely it is that they were monogamous. Our nearest
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: common ancestor with chimps was monogamous. So we didn't even
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: evolve that trait, we inherited it. It was chimpanzees that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: evolved away from that. So this is this is bullshit.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: This is absolute bullst Oh, her eyebrows are doing with
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: something a little weird. That's that's bizarre. Can let me
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: just go one sec men didn't I don't know, Oh,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I can't fix it. But anyway, this is this is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: not something that's controversial in anthropology that humans are pair bonders.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: This is and this is one of the problems I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: have with Evocite because it doesn't seem to recognize that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: maybe needs a little bit more cross pollination with anthropology,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: So she's full of shit like no, And the further
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: back you go, the more likely that human beings were
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: pair bonders. It's probably civilization that allowed for other forms
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of pervasive like forms of adultery and all this kind
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And the reason why I say that is,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: think about it when you're at survivor's razor edge, and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: human beings are a species that requires a significant amount
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of alloparenting for children to survive. What that means is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you don't just need a mother's resources, you need a
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: father's resources. You probably need an extended family's resources. In
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that case, if you have promiscuous mating, all of the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: children are gonna die, right you can't. That kind of
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: social structure doesn't support the kind of a investment that's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: required for a human child to grow up. So likely
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: in the past because it was simple survival, wasn't just
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: social customs that kept people together. It was if your
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: mate dies, you probably die and your kids probably die, right,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And also, what's the likelihood you're going to find another mate?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Pretty minimal. So all of these other stuff, these problems
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of modernity probably started to happen once we had population
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: densities more than like, I don't know, twelve per one
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: hundred square miles or something. I don't know how, I'm
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: just like, what once we started to live in close proximity,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Because before then, you know, how many potential partners would
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you meet in a year when you were a hunter gatherer? No,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: not many. And also if you don't have a partner
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and your woman and you get pregnant, kid's probably going
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to die. So that selects for strong pair of bonds,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: selects for a lot of investment, and the further back
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you go, it's more likely that that's the.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Case, rather than less hair with one woman and impregnate
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: her over and over, pledging himself to the protection of
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: her and his offspring. Nuclear families are a recent patriarchal invention.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Before that, we lived in larger tribes, had multiple sexual partners,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and children were raised by a larger family group.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: No. No, even in tribes, there's marriage, right, even in tribes.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Adulterers are not a they are not they are not
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: They are not people who are praised and liked. Right,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: So this is like I swear to God. Sex at
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: dawn destroyed the good conversation around human sexuality because no,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: this is not the way humans are. Okay, we are
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: not like chimps. We are not like bonnabos. Our social
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: evolution actually more closely paralleled parallels that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Of Wolvescintly, the acquisition of food happened very differently than
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: our patriarchal narratives would have us believe. Women weren't holed
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: up in caves naked, pregnant and breastfeeding their five toddlers,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: waiting for their men to return with the latest kill.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Women were active participants in hunting alongside men.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: No, this is not correct, right. Women hunted small game.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: They also maybe fished with nets and stuff like that.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: They did not generally hunt large game. They were involved
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: in the process of hunting large game, but they did
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: not generally hunt it because those societies did not want
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: women to die. And one of the one of the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: theories or conjectures about our evolution is that Neanderthal women
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: were more involved in hunting. And the reason why Chromagnum
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: actually how competed them is because you know, it reduces
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: women and infant mortality for men to take on the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: big game hunting. But nobody, actually, I actually looked into this.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Nobody in the past said women didn't hunt. They just
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: focused on big game hunting because they were Victorians and
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: that's what they did. You know, that's what men did
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in Victoria. They went out and they got trophies, went
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: in like safaris, right, so they focused on big game hunting.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: But they never said that women didn't hunt small game.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: They just didn't look at it, and some actually explicitly
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: did notice that women hunted small game. So this has
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: never actually been like the anthropological narrative. This is invented
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: by feminists, so it's bullshit. And then you add more
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: bullshit onto it because again, men hunting the big game
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and women hunt a smaller game, which is really interesting
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: because that parallels what wolves generally do as well.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: There were no divisions of labor along gender lines the
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: way we have today. Again, that's a patriarchal social structure
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: at play that didn't exist in early human society. So
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: all these claims about a man's height being an indicator
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of evolutionary superiority, are apps well.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Not evolutionary superiority, Like you're engaging in scope creep, my friend,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but it and again like if I'm not even sure
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: why it's such a big deal that evolution is seen
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: as a reason why women liked taller men. Like, again,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: we have this persistent height difference when being pair bonders
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: would suggest that a reduction Most pair bonding animals are
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: closed in size, And yet we have this persistent height
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: difference and persistent difference in an anatomy like and there
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: has to be a reason for it, And the reason
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: could easily be intimidation factors related to territory territory defense.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can't get away from that, so and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: what she's saying doesn't get away from.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: That absolutely bogus. Evolution wouldn't have favored tall men for
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: doing things early human men did not actually do. Speaking
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: of tall things, can we discuss the elephant in the room.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Let's look a little closer at the concept of social conditioning.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: As I've said, there's no compelling evidence to support the
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: assertion that most women prefer men over six feet tall
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: because of.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, there is now yes, prefer settled with maybe not,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: but yes, there is compelling evidence you absolute tool all
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of the studies into kate that women prefer taller partners,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: and it's a stronger preference than men preferring shorter partners.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And in fact, the ideal relationship in these as discovered
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: by these studies is a average woman with a slightly
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: higher taller than average man. That still is going to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: disenfranchise men who are average shorter. Lady like, if the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: average woman wants a man who's taller than average, there's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be a mismatch there. It's ultimately that's gonna that's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: gonna that's gonna end up with a lot of resentment
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and and uh lost opportunities. So she's absolutely full of shit.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: In fact, I will show you this is one of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the many Okay, I'm gonna share this tab right here.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: A sort of mate preferences for height across short term
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and long term relationship context and cross cultural status and
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: uh we, positive sort of preferences for height were observed
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: across sexes and samples. However, the strength of these hype
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: preferences varied with relationship contexts for men and not for women,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Taller men preferred relatively shorter women for short term. Okay,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: so this is the summary. This might not be the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: right the best one to look at, but if you
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: look into the Literature review that you will find that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: most of the studies find, or at least actually it
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: might be all find that women have a stronger preference
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: for a taller man than a woman does for a
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: shorter woman shorter woman. These studies offer converging evidence for
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: a male taller norm. Among young heterosexual Western adults, women
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: generally indicate preferences for men taller than themselves, whereas women
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: men indicate preferences for relatively shorter women. Men's preferences for
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: women's heights have consistently been shown to be weaker, less consistent,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: less robust than women's preferences for men's height. This may
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: reflect evolved or social cultural sex differences and make preferences.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, right here, this is this is
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. This is the literature This is
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: basically the literature review section. So this is starting to
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: be a very cited finding. Look at this. Look at it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: You need to see in the brackets, how many how
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: many things are there? I'll highlight that. Okay, this is
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty robust. It's a well supported finding, right, So, yes,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: women prefer taller men. Here, I'll move this over for
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: those of you who are looking at this on the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: on the shorts, women prefer taller men than men prefer
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: shorter women. So if anyone's driving this, it's women's preferences.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: But let's let's listen to more of what this individual
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: has to say for why this is happening is happening?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Like what this is a this isn't This isn't just
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of disgruntled short men making something
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: up on the internet. We find this in studies, but
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: let's let's find out more about why she thinks we
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: find this. Uh So, height discrimination exists, but women are
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: also affected, not that much, but they are.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Oh I am yeah, but you're not sharing that.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Tab sorry about this, So that's why I was silent.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, compelling evidence to support the assertion that most women
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: prefer men over six feet tall because of the imagined
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: evolutionary advantages taller men have. There's both little data and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: little and.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: She's also being very mealy mouthed. She's rules loiyering this,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: she's saying women prefer men over six feet tall. Right,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: women prefer taller men? Six feet has just become some
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: kind of filtering mechanism when everything is reduced down a
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: number on a website.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Logic behind this. So if most women prefer taller men,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: what might be driving this preference? First of all, in
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: a culture with strict beauty and gender standards, being short
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: is a disadvantage to people of any gender. Height discrimination
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: is very real, and not just in romance but in
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: the workplace as well. And though women experience it too,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: short men are more likely to be at the receiving
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: end of this cultural bias. Why why does this happen?
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of factors at play, more than
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I can cover here, but I want to point out
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: one in particular that seems to have been entirely ignored
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: in men's despair over how their height might be disadvantaged.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: God damn, here we go. Here's the money shot, guys.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: So men, short men are despairing over being disadvantaged in
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: romantic relationships because of their height. We have studies to
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: show this is the case. She even acknowledges it is right.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But you know, women are also affected in the dating market.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: So now she's going to talk about the real reason. Guys,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: are you braced.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Being tall as one of the standards of masculinity as
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: defined by the patriarchy.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: There you go, there's the money shot. Being tall is
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: one of the standards of masculinity as defined by the patriarchy,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And who's responsible for the patriarchy?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Men? In fact, most of the things we claim women
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: find attractive because of evolutionary psychology, including six pack abs,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: are simply more of these standards of masculinity systems.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Of a press.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what women find attractive, the fact that women
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: find tall, muscular, confident men attractive is because patriarchy made them.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Done to it right, Okay, So heidism is patriarchyism. So
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: stop complaining, guys and fix it. Now, how do you
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: fix it? I guess become feminists, and then when you
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: become a feminist, women will suddenly stop wanting taller men
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the mechanism, shut up and give her money.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Are simply more of these standards of masculinity. Systems of oppression.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Don't want you to know they're oppressing you, so they'll
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: make up stories that blame something or someone else for
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: their dirty deeds.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Systems of oppression don't want you to know that they're
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: oppressing them. Therefore they'll make up stories blaming someone else,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: says the woman blaming patriarchy for women liking taller men.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, you don't feel badly about yourself because you
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: are literally falling short of patriarchal standards of masculinity. This
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: isn't about the system, No, it's the fault of evolution.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: So we're taking something that's fairly neutral. Men women have
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: evolved to like taller men because it's an intimidation factor.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: That's probably one of the reasons why human being survived
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: up to this point. Right, we've taken something neutral. Can
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you really blame women for liking something? I mean, to
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a degree it becomes a fetish right? Can you really
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: blame women for liking something that's in evolved trait that
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: helped us survive in the past. No, not really. It's
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: just something we have to deal with, and maybe we
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: can start having a conversation about how tall is reasonable,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: because what women want now is not reasonable. But no,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take it, and we're gonna make it to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: men to blame for it because.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Biology, it's women. And speaking of women. I'm sure many
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: might be tempted to respond by calling out women for
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: acting as willing tools of the patriarchy, happy to disenfranchise
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: men by refusing to date anyone who doesn't meet those
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: standards of masculinity. But let's think that through. I don't.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna be about to do but
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're about to engage in any kind
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: of thinking anything that resembles thinking. So don't don't blame
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: women for this standard that women hold and apply to men.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Blame patriarchy, and don't blame women for upholding patriarchal standards.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I see that she doesn't say don't blame men like
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: she's she's very quick to say that we shouldn't blame
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: women for upholding these patriarchy standards, even though they're the
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: ones that are enforcing them, the only ones that are
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: enforcing them on men, because I'm pretty sure we don't
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: have like Joey Swalls going out and pounding on short
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: men for daring to talk to a woman like I've
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: never seen that, but whatever. She's not quick to say,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: don't blame men for the fact that women prefer tall men,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: but she's very quick to say, don't blame women for
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: upholding the patriarchal houlding the patriarchal standard that men be tall.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I believe most people realize what's happening in these situations.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: If men understood that they were participating in their own
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: oppression by buying into all this, we wouldn't be having
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: this conversation.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: How did that happen? How did that happen? We go
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: from women enforcing a standard on men that they be
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: a ridiculous tall, ridiculously tall. Six feet is ridiculously tall
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: for the average woman. They enforced this standard on men,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and then suddenly we can't blame women for being oppressed
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: by patriarchy into wanting taller men. I gotta listen to
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: this again. Just just it's so astounding.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: As men understood that they were participating in their own
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: oppression by buying into all this, we wouldn't be having
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: this conversation in the first place.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Guys, you got to realize that it's your patriarchal buy
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: in that makes women want you to be tall. And oh,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: if you just stopped being part of patriarchy, how you
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: do that. We're not going to specify, We're not going
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to give you any concrete actions to stop being part
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: of patriarchy. But if you would just stop being part
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: of patriarchy, women would want not tall men. It's you
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: that's making all the short kings, all these short kings
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: out there. You gotta stop forcing women to want tall
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: men with your patriarchy, and then you'll be good. Then
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you'll have no complaints. How how does this exist in
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the realm of being considered conscious thought? Like, this is
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: so stupid, so blind, And I know I'm gonna go
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to the special chat and Theresa is gonna be defending it.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: So but I'll give it a moment because I actually
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: have to read out a super chow here. Okay, Albatross says,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: apparently women have zero influence on what society does and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't like do everything, and women just sit and photosynthize
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: from millennia. What are you talking? What are you holding
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: them to a standard of photosynthesizing? There? Of albatroz ho
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: dare how dare? I think that's probably also sexual objectification
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: of plants? So give yourself another smack for that. Okay,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: all right, just remind everyone best way to send me
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: a message, feed the badger dot comsas just the tip.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: We have a We have about four minutes left of
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: this nonsense. I promised you i'd talk. See what Cherisa
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: is saying in the special. Oh he's silent. Okay, maybe
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: he's too embarrassed for once. Not gonna defend this, Not
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: gonna defend how this woman has landed on short Short
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: kings are using their patriarchies to force women not to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: like them. I'm sure you could manage something there, Choriso.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: All right, let's let's let's deplete my life energy further.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And women are no different. They are subconsciously acting out
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: their social conditioning, seeking out men who reflect the masculine
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: qualities they are supposed to be attracted to. Please read
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: that last sentence again. Okay, in these situations, if men
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: understood that they were participating in their own oppression by
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: buying into all this, we wouldn't be having this conversation
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in the first place. And women are no different. They
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: are subconsciously acting out their social conditioning, seeking out men
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: who reflect the masculine qualities they are supposed to be
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: attracted to. Please read that last sentence again. You see,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I am not convinced that women who are seeking traditional
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: standards of masculinity in a partner are doing so out
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: of a desire to reinforce those gender standards either.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: So if men could change how they're int patriarchy on
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: women and making them want tall men, then they would.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: But men are ultimately responsible for this because women can't
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: possibly be responsible for this. Okay, I'm actually finding it
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: difficult to follow this logic. I know people like think,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm not smart enough. Can somebody help me out
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: in the comments trieso explain this.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place, and
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: women are no different. They are subconscious situations. If men
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: understood that they were participating in their own oppression by
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: buying into all this, we wouldn't be having this conversation
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: in the first place.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: So if men understood that they're making women, if short
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: men in particular understood that they're making tall women want
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: tall men because of patriarchy, we wouldn't be participates. We
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be having this conversation the first place. So ultimately,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: short men are responsible for their own discrimination. Okay, let's go.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Let's move to the second half of this miraculous statement.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: And women are no different. They are subconsciously acting out
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: their social conditioning.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: So men are responsible for this, and of course they
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be hurting themselves if they understood that it's patriarchy
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: making them do it, even though they are the ones
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: who are patriarchy making them do.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: It, seeking out men who reflect the masculine qualities they
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: are supposed to be attracted to please.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: And then this proves that women are completely blameless, because
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: if patriarchy wasn't so powerful, short kings would stop doing
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it to themselves and making women want tall men, which
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: means that obviously patriarchy is so powerful if it can
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: force short kings to embrace things that hurt them, women
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: hold no chance. Women have no chance. There we go.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: I think I got to.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Be that last sentence again. You see, I am not
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: convinced that women who are seeking traditional standards of masculinity
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: in a partner are doing so out of a desire
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: to reinforce those gender standards, either consciously or subconsciously.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Yep, but they are.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: They're too busy trying to meet the standards of femininity.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: This is where, oh god, and now we segue into
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: women being oppressed, right, Okay, but the women are applying
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: these standards. They're the ones rejecting the men. They're the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: ones with the power.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: In this instance, the entire issue comes into focus. The
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: only way to truly define femininity is in relational opposition
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: to masculinity and vice versa. So women seeking out markers
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: in a potential mate that align with patriarchal definitions of
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: masculinity is not reflective of her reductive belief.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, churizo is piped up the smaller chat. Okay, well, Chris,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: remember to explain why it's bad women prefer taller men
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: because it's patriarchy. We just had that explained. Hmm, please
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: keep your line consistent, friend, All right, let's.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Go about men and masculinity, but rather her attempt to
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: meet the standards of femininity by acquiring a partner who
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: is traditionally masculine. This began to crystallize for me the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: few times I met women who actually did have a
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: requirement that they would only date men over six feet tall.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Their reason they were tall themselves and said they felt
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: less like a woman when they were with a man
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: who was shorter. In the end, this isn't about height
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: at all. It's about strict gender standards. That keep everyone
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: participating in their own oppression, and.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Yet women are the ones perpetuating it, and she can't
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: admit that, and she wants women to be victims. She
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: then goes into some Oh, actually, you know what, I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: will play that because it is important personally.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I've never cared about a man's height. I've dated men
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: significantly shorter and men significantly taller. I've yet to date
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: anyone of any size who can't fit together in all
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the right places when it's time to have a little fun. So, honestly,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: what does it matter? But I understand the pain of
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: feeling perpetually rejected just because you don't meet patriarchal standard.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Sure, it looks like a part of the technical difficulties
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: went away. It's just me though. Yeah maybe.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: All right, there we go.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, we're back.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: We should be fine. Now, let me just still check it.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah we're back.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but the internet rejected this
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: like this, this woman's spiel.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Guys are back. I think we're still going.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: We're still going. Okay, all right, we're back, let's continue.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Just because you don't meet patriarchal standards. I really, really
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: do because they affect women too. Men might be passed
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: over because they're five feet six inches, while women are
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: dismissed and often cruelly so if they weigh more than
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty pounds. I'm not sure how women
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: reject shorter men, but it can't be worse than being
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: told you're a hideous fat pig that no one would
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: ever want to sleep with. I feel it's only fair
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: to point this out considering the sheer number of men
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: who insist that there's nothing discriminatory or unreasonable about not
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: wanting to date fat chicks. As many so eloquently put it,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with having preferences about appearances or being
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: turned on by certain body types and turned off by others.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, so just to clarify, Brian, apparently the vertical stream
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: is dead, so I'm going to contu not the vertical
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the horizontal stream has but anyway, getting back.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: To that is, but like because reach still streaming?
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Interesting? Huh? Well maybe.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it is, it is going, but maybe
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: it created a new instance.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: I bet ye, look and see if there's a new instance.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: All right, well, well I will, but first I'm going.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: To deal with this oh, I'm looking at it. It did.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you could just pop the link in our chat. Yeah,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: all right. So she's arguing, first of all, that the
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: phenomena doesn't exist, but if it does exist, which she
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: acknowledges it does, then patriarchy is to blame for it,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and of course that means that short men are to
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: blame for their own oppression. Right, So women are absolved
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: of responsibility for wanting these things, even though they're primarily
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: the ones who enforce this on men. In fact, they're
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: the ones who enforce this on men because they're the
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: ones who are choosing not to date short ment. And
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: then she says this, these patriarchal standards also hurt women.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: So let's look at that. She's got it. She's got
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the whole thing covered. Guys, you can't feel upset about this,
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: even though technical you should be able to feel upset
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: about it, because she's comparing it to something that, no
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: doubt she feels women have the right to feel upset about,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: which is size ism. But I'm guessing that somehow we're
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: going to land on you don't have the right as
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: men to talk about it, feel upset about it, bring
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: it up or expect women to change.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I've heard countless times. I've always found it interesting that
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: that argument never goes both ways. It's okay for men
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: to only be attracted to women who wear a size too,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: but it's reverse sexism, which isn't a thing for women
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: to prefer men six feet or taller.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, but men aren't. Like, first of all, you're exaggerating
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty pounds of size two. I'm sure
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: there are men out there who will not date women
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: smaller than that, I'm sure, But to use to take
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: a page from your own book? And also, is she
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: telling a bit on herself that she said she's experience this,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: But to take a page from your own book. If
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I look around myself, I don't see any man with
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: a woman who's like one hundred and twenty pounds. Like
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: we go down to the States, one hundred and twenty
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: pounds pretty rare. In Canada, it's not as rare, but
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: it's still fairly rare. So most men aren't dating women
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: who are one hundred and twenty pounds, right, I don't
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: think they're necessarily going on tender and saying one hundred
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and twenty pounds or less, please and also, if you
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: look at how men rate women in terms of attractive,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: it's a nice normal bell curve. Some women are unattractive,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: some women are extremely attractive, most women are in the middle.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: How men women rate men on a bell is like
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: is nowhere near a bell curve? Pretty much all men
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: are ugly according to women. There's a big difference there. Anyway, Well,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: how is it that men, some men being mean about weight,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: you know, and having a natural preference, and yet somehow
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: it's not men's you know, it's not men that's causing
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: the world that no longer have there's no longer relationship
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: formations men's preferences. But that means that no, we can't
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: we can't ever talk about this. And then other thing
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: is that weight is something that can change. Height is
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: really difficult to change. But you know, I mean, I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: really doubt that men are as extreme as she's describing.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: And because men aren't rejecting women in the way that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: women are rejecting men patently.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: You can't have it both ways, boys, frankly, I think it's.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: Can you because it seems like you're trying.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: All ridiculous and superficial as hell? Yes, all of it.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's insane that.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Well, she's floating above all of us.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Friends, so many men won't look past a woman's weight,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: and I'm staggered that height could be a deal breaker.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Height is not something that reflects any aspect of character
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: to a degree weight does. I'mna, you do have to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: apply some discipline in your life to avoid becoming hugely overweight.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: For anyone who cares if he's five feet six inches
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: or six feet five inches, I can't think of anything
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: less important about a man than how far his head
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: is from the ground.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: And yet evolutionarily that was a very critical thing.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: But it's up to us to unwind this.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but ultimately, Okay, she's right, people have preferences. Fine,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: The real problem is all of the excuse making, all
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: of the dodging of accountability. Oh well, it's like listening
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: to a lawyer arguing in the alternative, like, no, women
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: don't have this preference, but arguing in the alternative if
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: they do, it's fine because men men have a preference
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: for skinny women, which is bad. But that makes the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: badness of men's preference for skinny women, makes women's preference
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: for taller men fine, not bad, because that you would
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: think that you're making the relationship. Then they both are bad. No,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that makes it good because women should have to have
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Women should stick it to the patriarchy by having their
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: own preferences. So men should feel bad for wanting thin women,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: and women should be free to want tall, tall men.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: And that's fine, and that's good. It's sticking it to patriarchy.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: But also it's patriarchal standards that they want those me
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: tall men, right, they want tall men because of patriarchy.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: So men are to blame for something that women have
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: complete control over. Let's see. I don't think there's much left,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: but we'll go go to the end, just for consistently.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Have to start with ourselves deprogramming from patrinon arical standards
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: and norms. We have to learn how to step out
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: of the system, including learning how to detach from feelings
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: of shame or judgment over other people's choices to align
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: with patriarchy. And most of all, we have to learn
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: to see whoa whoa whoa people?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting. We have to uh, I guess allow
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: women to have these patriarchal standards and not judge them
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: for it. Oh, good lord, this is all just evading accountability.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: All right, we're almost done. Then we'll go to the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: next one, which is an astounding one, but it's shorter words.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: We must stretch our definitions of what it means for
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: someone to be masculine or feminine, and what qualities and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: features are actually attractive to us. Up until now, patriarchy
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: has been driving this bus. It's time to take that wheel.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Ease up on the list of standards.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, So how.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: How date the women with the abundant thighs date the
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: man who's two inches shorter. Considering how unhappy and worthless
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: patriarchal standards make us feel, why wouldn't we want to
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  Speaker 2: break free?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? And that's the end. Patriarchy used to blame you,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: even though it's women doing the rejecting. Oh good lord.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, when it appeared that men had apparently two
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: strict standards for women, I remember all of the movements
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: that challenge that and shamed men for being locust agist,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: fat phobic, transphobic, whatever, all of the movements that shame
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: men for all of that. But when it comes to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: something that affects men, the most important thing is that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: we blame men for it. We don't shame the women
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: who support the patriarchal the so called patriarchal standards, and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: we blame men again. And also women are not accountable
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: and this is the most frustrating thing. Okay, so we
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: just continue on and somehow, without actually challenging it, things change.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: This is such nebulous bullshit, like I want actionables. If
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you're gonna propose there's this great evil, how do we
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: kill it? Do we throw a ring into a volcano?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Do we lay siege to a castle? Do we build something?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Do we destroy something? Do we write something like? What
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: are the actions? And there's never specified what is? So
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: we're gonna change all this by doing fucking nothing except
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: don't shame the women who like tall men. Just let
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: them enjoy the patriarchal standards without shame. Oh great grief.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: All right, So let me take a look at the
• 1:06:06
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• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I wonder if women not being attracted to men is
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: also patriarchy. What I've noticed reading these things is that
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: patriarchy is always what it needs to be to excuse
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: whatever women want or are doing in the moment, including
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: abusing men. Sexually assaulting men and rejecting short men. I mean,
• 1:06:29
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• 1:06:40
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• 1:07:06
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• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna share this one because you
• 1:07:13
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• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: of it. This is some some random stuff from my
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: bag of random stuff, all right. So this this is
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: from why Women Get Else And it's apparently in a
• 1:07:25
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• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: of salt. So this is a woman, right, and she
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: is making a confession. Yes, I know I will be
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: insulted for this, and I hate myself too. Here's my story.
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  Speaker 1: Be me five foot two feminon four months ago, land
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: a new boyfriend, nice, charming, more than decent job. Suddenly,
• 1:07:47
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• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: topic of male heights showed up. Uh, feminon your new
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: boyfriend is so nice, Too bad he's a little short
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  Speaker 1: five to ten. Both their boyfriends are well above six'.
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  Speaker 1: Two INITIALLY i don't give a fuck about that, stuff
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: but week after, week by hanging around, TOGETHER i start
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  Speaker 1: noticing that my men is indeed much shorter than my.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Friends they tower over, him and my besties look very
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: proud of. That start having weird dreams of either my
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: boyfriend becoming suddenly taller or stalking taller, men then suddenly
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: starting then starting ironically losing sexual desire to, him especially
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: as long as he's standing, still then starting some mental
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: breakdown when in heels BECAUSE i have the impression our
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: heights are too. SIMILAR i know it's fucking pathetic and
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: normy woman tear for caring this much about height and,
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• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Obsession SO i thought you guys would get a kick
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: out of. That of, course my answer is to get
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: rid of your. Friends what a fucking bunch of passive
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: aggressive relationship sabotage right. There if it's, true and you
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: know that might not be, true but it's how women
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: sabotage relationship and chips sabotage their friends. Relationships and, honestly
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: if this person is really, real or if anybody out
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: there is having the same, problem focus on the reason
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: why you chose your, partner all, right don't focus on
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: what they, have focus on what you. Have, okay let's
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: let's start this next. One this is another doozy by the,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: way and it sort of segues, well and to focus
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: on what you have with your, partner because it's doing
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the exact opposite.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: Why many women cheat not to leave but to.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Stay there you, go, Guys i'm gonna let that sink
• 1:09:37
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• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: we should listen to it. Again good. Grief did you hear, That?
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  Speaker 4: Brian, yes of, Course, yeah why many women cheat not
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  Speaker 4: to leave but to?
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  Speaker 1: Stay, Okay so this this piece and it's from psychology.
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  Speaker 1: Today the last one is from A medium. Article it
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  Speaker 1: was you, know it. Was it was fairly, liked as
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: these kinds of medium articles. Are this one is From Psychology.
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  Speaker 4: Today many women who cheat aren't looking to. Leave in,
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  Speaker 4: fact they're cheating to. Stay By ALICIA. M, walker. PhD
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  Speaker 4: Published Psychology. Today The basics The challenges of. Infidelity take
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  Speaker 4: our relationship satisfaction, Test find counseling near me key. Points
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: some women cheat not to leave their, marriages but to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: stay when sex conversations stall and needs go, unmet and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: research shows women's desire fades in long.
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  Speaker 1: Term, okay, so just so you, Know brian is not switching.
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  Speaker 4: Go relationships but sparks back to life with. Novelty many
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: see affairs as an infinitelity, workaround a last resort to
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: stay in their marriage when all else. Fails infidelity is
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: almost always framed as a, betrayal a dagger to the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: heart of a. Marriage but what if for some, women
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: cheating is actually the thing keeping their marriage. Together, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Psychology today everyone boy the uh one of the premier
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  Speaker 1: outlets for understanding the. Self and this is what we're
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  Speaker 1: God AND i notice once again they're trying to have
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  Speaker 1: it both. Ways, okay they are blaming the man because
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  Speaker 1: the man is you, know something is wrong in the,
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  Speaker 1: relationship and you know that means code for the man
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  Speaker 1: is to, blame. Right and then they're also actually appealing
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  Speaker 1: to an evolutionary thing Or i'm not ACTUALLY i guess
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  Speaker 1: it would be evolutionary like the seven year itch or
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the lack of novelty in a relationship causing women to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: want to leave it to find novelty some crap like.
• 1:12:32
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• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Ways men are to, blame but also. Evolution it's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit different than the previous, one which was more,
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  Speaker 1: like you can't blame women because of. Patriarchy, uh but
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: also women get judged for being, fat therefore they should
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  Speaker 1: be able to judge women men for being. Tall it's
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  Speaker 1: Tat it is retro retributive. Judgment retributive.
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  Speaker 4: Judgment my research on women who cheat flips the script
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  Speaker 4: on everything we assume about. Affairs but let's be, clear
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: this is not an endorsement of. Infidelity cheating is a,
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  Speaker 4: Affairs they are making the best of a bad, situation
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: often landing in sexless marriages where conversations about their needs
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: had gone. Nowhere the WOMEN i interviewed weren't.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Okay so we're setting up the men are to blame,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: angle of, course individual men are to, blame.
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  Speaker 4: Right looking for a way. Out they loved their, spouses
• 1:13:38
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• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: Lives but they were, trapped feeling, frustrated, unfulfilled and out of, options.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: No interest in blowing up their, lives and everything is
• 1:13:50
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• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: cheating because they don't want to leave their, partner and
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: it's an act of, love and yet all of their
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  Speaker 1: considerations are. Selfish wouldn't it be nice to have the
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  Speaker 1: benefits of fidelity but also the excitement of? Infidelity how
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  Speaker 1: can you deny women?
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  Speaker 1: appeal to how rough divorce is on. Men As i've
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• 1:14:48
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• 1:18:44
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• 1:18:48
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• 1:18:52
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• 1:21:07
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• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: MOST i call it the infidelity, workaround because for, them
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• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: monogamy feels impossible for some. Women we like to think
• 1:21:22
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• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: Relationships but for many, women it slowly suffocates their sexual
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: desire or leaves them in marriages where sex disappears, altogether
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: whether they want it to or. Not the assumption has
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: always been that men have the higher sex, drive but
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: research tells a different. Story studies show that in long term,
• 1:21:43
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• 1:21:47
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  Speaker 1: Right so is it because their partners or subpar and
• 1:21:58
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• 1:22:07
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• 1:22:16
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• 1:22:20
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• 1:22:30
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  Speaker 4: Going the mental load of managing a household and shifting
• 1:22:47
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• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: sometimes women end up in sexless marriages they never signed up.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: For they want, change but despite their, efforts nothing. Shifts
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  Speaker 4: years of rejection or unmet, needs they start looking for
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: alternatives at the same.
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• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: provision men lose interest in their partners and have to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: find something else, Too and the women should feel grateful
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: because the men haven't decided to implode their. Relationship, instead you,
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• 1:23:35
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• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: Going research shows that while their desire for a long
• 1:23:42
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• 1:23:46
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• 1:23:50
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• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: situation isn't lighting their, fire and sometimes resentment and the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: sheer exhaustion of carrying the mental and emotional load of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: a household smothers that flame, entirely and so they start
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: looking for. Alternatives but let's be clear, This.
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  Speaker 1: So now women have an. Excuse, well but how do
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• 1:24:17
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• 1:24:20
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• 1:24:23
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• 1:24:27
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• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: hell of a lot of emotional load on their male
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  Speaker 1: partner by, cheating don't you think or he's going to
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  Speaker 1: have to allow? This or is this just this is
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: not part of the emotional. Load everything that women put
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: on men to tolerate it not. Part it's not considered
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: within the emotional. Load only things that women want to
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: do but shouldn't have to and they don't actually really
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: have to because nobody's asking them to do. It that's
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  Speaker 1: part of the emotional. Load so, convenient let's keep.
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  Speaker 4: Going it wasn't about. Romance they weren't daydreaming about falling
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: in love with some starry Eyed. Romeo no one was
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: writing love letters or whispering sweet. Nothings they weren't looking for.
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  Speaker 4: Connection they were looking for, climaxes not, validation not, butterflies
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  Speaker 4: not someone to gaze into their eyes and tell them
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: they were, beautiful just, orgasms full. Stop they weren't searching
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  Speaker 4: for prince. Charming they already had one at. Home what
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: they needed was someone to meet a. Specificae so this prince.
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  Speaker 1: Charge you're not trying to, Say, oh they love their
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: their husband so, much they loved him so much they
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: had to cheat so they wouldn't have to leave, him all,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Right but you originally said that they're cheating because he's
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: not fulfilling their. Needs he's, like they're doing more than
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: their fair share of housework and emotional. Labor the relationship is.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Sexless so now What now it's prince? Charming it just.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Everything every single sentence does not serve the needs of
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: logic or reason or actual. Argumentation it only serves justifying
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: the action in the next five, seconds such. Saphistry, okay all,
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  Speaker 1: right let's keep.
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  Speaker 4: Going need nothing, more nothing. Less and they weren't naive.
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  Speaker 4: Either as one woman put, it look this guy gives me.
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  Speaker 4: Orgasms but he's not even in the same league as my.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Husband if my husband didn't HAVE, ed these guys wouldn't
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: stand a chance they're needing to stay in a. Marriage
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: for these, women an affair wasn't about replacing their. Spouse
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: it was about filling a. Gap they had tried to
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: communicate their needs but nothing. Changed rather than stewing and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: frustration or, resentment they found This french.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Driving is it this making you stew and for resentment
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: and not listening to your? Needs?
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: Okay continue that an affair allowed them to meet their needs,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: elsewhere easing tension at home and helping them stay in their.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: Marriages instead of growing distant or, bitter they felt more, patient,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: engaged and even affectionate in their day to day. Lives
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: they weren't looking for the. One they were looking for
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: mister now and Then love, feelings emotional entanglements absolutely not
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: the pragmatism of women's. INFIDELITY i found that these women
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: designed their affairs with military, precision strict, rules clear, boundaries
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: and zero risk of anyone catching. Feelings but let's talk
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: about another.
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  Speaker 1: Practice is even the husband this is? Sick just does
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: he get a say at? All even perfunctory, say over,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: this nobody's gonna catch. Feelings. GUYS i guess what these
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: women intend is what is we're gonna in reality the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: guys that they're having sex. With all the women have
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: arranged it so that make sure that these guys don't catch?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Feelings or does she mean that the woman isn't going
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: to catch? Feelings because that's all that? Matters all, right
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: let's keep.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: Going sptical move these women, made not putting all their
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: eggs in one. Basket many women maintained multiple affair partners at,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: once not because they were, greedy but because they'd already
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: learned from marriage that relying on just one man for
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: everything was a risky, Bet so they kept a roster
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: or herd of partners to ensure they always had. Options
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: one woman put it, best why WOULD i expect one
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: affair partner to meet all my needs when my husband.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: Couldn't it was a backup, system not a. Romance they
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: weren't juggling, relationships they were managing. Logistics are we setting
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: ourselves up for? Failure this research forces us to ask
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: some uncomfortable questions about how we approach, relationships starting before
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: we even SAY i. Do why aren't we talking about
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: sexual expectations before. Marriage we spend months planning a, wedding
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: but often skip a part where we discuss what we
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: need sexually To.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: You just indicated that this is something that evolved and
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: changed in the. Relationship how are you supposed to discuss
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: it before it? Happens? Okay how much is left you?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Do you need to see? That about a? Minute? Okay
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: i'm just you, know before we, CONTINUE i just want
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: to point out the people say THAT i am radicalizing,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Men i'm radicalizing men and men's rights activists or radicalizing?
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Men are we really the ones radicalizing? Men or is
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: content like this put out in something Like american or psychology?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Today what women are actually saying and expecting about their
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: lives and justifying about their actions is that what's radicalizing
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: men is being disenfranchised as a short man and then
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: blamed for being responsible for the patriarchal expectations of. Masculinity
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: perhaps that might be radicalizing. Men and then this this
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: incredible exercise in narcissistic syllopsism that we are listening. To,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: now good, golly Miss, molly all, right let's finish.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: It stay happy in the long. Run why do we
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: assume desires stays the same over. Time we expect everything
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: else in marriage to. Evolve why not our sexual needs and?
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: Expectations why is just talk to your partner treated as
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: a fix all many of these women did communicate their.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: Needs the problem wasn't, silence it was being. Unheard that
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: to what happens when one partner wants sex and the other.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: Doesn't we rarely ask what realistic options exist when sexual
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: needs go unmet in long term. Relationships maybe women's sexuality
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: is a whole lot more complex and pragmatic then we've
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: been led to. Believe these women weren't looking to betray their.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: Husbands they were looking for a way to stay.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: BY, AI i think or the woman excessively leaned ON
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: ai for writing this because it's just repeating, shit all.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: Right but then, again come to think of, it that
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't make it much difference than the usual feminist drivel
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: that we've read over the. Years does it? Good? LORD
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: i hope it's over, quick come, on let's finish.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: It, Okay but when years of unmet needs and unheard
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: conversations pile, up they ask themselves what realistic choices are?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: Left and they found no real. Answers instead of treating
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: every episode of infidelity as a scandal or moral, failing
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: maybe we should be asking a different. Question how can
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: marriages evolve to actually meet both partners' needs before one
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: or the other partners starts looking outside of it to
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: meet their.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: Needs, OKAY i think that's the, end And cheerzo is, saying,
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: sadly most wives are. Unheard, well go let your wife
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: have sex with a, tall, muscular confident man terreso and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: stop hanging around this. Channel who'll get yourself a cuckchair,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: like most wives are. Unheard but the thing is that
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: it tries to have it multiple. Ways it finds that
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: men women are more likely to get bored in a,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: relationship which is why they they want to cast their
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: sew their outs of. Field and then it also, says
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: but it's the men who are doing it to. Them,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: oh good, grief most wives feel unheard in a. RELATIONSHIP
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: i don't think that's, true. RIGHT i remember a while
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: BACK i found a study that men actually understand their
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: wives better than their wives understand their. Husbands and, then of,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: course when there's, conflict men feel more, stress most likely
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: because they are more responsible for the relationship, outcome or
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: maybe they feel more responsible or they're expected to take
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: more responsibility for any kind of conflict in the. Relationship
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: they're going to be expected to. Change And criso, says
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: because men ignore their wives, needs their. Desires, okay, churiso
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: do you want your wife to cheat on? You is
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: that the bargain you're? Making, Okay if your wife feels
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: unfulfilled or, bored she's free to find someone else to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: solve that for her without telling. You and of course
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: that doesn't violate their precious informed. Consent feminists precious formed
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: consent on the part of the partner being cheated. On,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Okay oh all, Right so here's another little bit from
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: h from my little grab. Bag this doesn't require Sound oh,
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  Speaker 1: right it might not. WORK i just THOUGHT i would
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  Speaker 1: throw it out. There apparently In france they are now
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: arresting people for, masculinism which is seeing that are or
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: or at least they're, uh they're starting to regard masculinism
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: as a form of, terror terrorism which is feeling that
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: men are superior to women while men are certainly held
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: to a superior standard of. Accountability that's for. Sure, HERE
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: i can try sharing, this maybe it'll work this? Time
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: did it? Work? Brian all, Right, Well i'll just read
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  Speaker 1: it out to. You i'm not SURE i want to
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  Speaker 1: let me just grab it and, okay all, Right so
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  Speaker 1: this is From DISCLOSED. Tv just In French Anti terrorism
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Task force targets in cells for promoting masculinism and advocating
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: for outmoded gender. Roles so that's in, essence men being
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: protectors and provided providers and women being protected and provided,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: for which is really interesting BECAUSE i think there's a
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: whole group of people who will judge men very harshly
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: for not protecting and providing for their. Women but if
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: men turn around and, say, hey that's a man's, ROLE
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: i guess they're a. Terrorists now you, know this world
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: is just hell bent on fucking. Itself all, right, okay
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: so you, guys can you guys see? This oh it's
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Small let me expand. It there we.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Go Should france is in cell threat be treated like?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Terrorism our mid reports of an increase of, masculinism a
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: belief in the supremacy of, men and the advocacy of
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: outmoded gender roles among young. Men it is the first
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: time That french anti terror authorities have launched an investigation
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: into someone for activities linked to the involuntary celibate. Movement
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: it's not a, movement it's just men who can't get.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Laid maybe we need to teach the in cells that
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: it's a patriarchal construct that they're ultimately responsible. For therefore
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: they should just be happy for being. Disenfranchised, okay well
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: there you, go. Folks what CAN i? Say all, right
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  Speaker 1: i hope this was edgumcational apparently thearchical standards and it's,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: interesting just just to put in aside for, that it's
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: interesting how women are predominantly the ones who are enforcing
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: the height. Thing like it's them that are far more
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: interested in a tall partner than men are interested in
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: a short, partner so they're predominantly the ones enforcing. This but,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: somehow despite it being something that women are enforcing, predominantly
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: it's patriarchy even though women could stop it at any.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Point it's men's. Fault this happens a, Lot i've, noticed but,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: ANYWAY i want to put that. Out and also apparently
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: it's men's fault if women. Cheat, well who saw? That you,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Know i'm sure nobody on this channel is surprised by.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: That so, yeah is there anything women are responsible? For, Hey,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: churiso tell me something that women are responsible, for, Right Chris,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: minzo tell me one thing that women are responsible, for
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: huh in this entire? World and tell me how that
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: isn't identical to how The victorians blamed men the husband
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: for his wife's. Actions, okay that was a traditional gender.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Role in, fact it's one of the most traditional gender
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: roles to just blame men for women's, actions like women
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: have no any sort of individual drive or sense of
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: self or decision making. Capability, okay all, Right so thank
• 1:38:47
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