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Whole Church Job Fair Encore: Insights from a Chief Science Officer - The Whole Church Podcast · Systematic Geekology

• 0:22
  Farmer,
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  you
• 0:23
  are
• 0:24
  working
• 0:25
  for
• 0:25
  a
• 0:25
  table
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  full
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  of
• 0:27
  bounty.
• 0:29
  Painter,
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  with
• 0:30
  each
• 0:31
  color
• 0:32
  you
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  are
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  teaching
• 0:34
  us
• 0:34
  to
• 0:35
  see.
• 0:36
  Nurse.
• 0:37
  Yours
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  are
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  the
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  healing
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  hands
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  that
• 0:40
  touch
• 0:41
  the
• 0:41
  poor
• 0:42
  and
• 0:42
  broken.
• 0:45
  May
• 0:45
  God's
• 0:46
  kingdom
• 0:47
  come
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  on
• 0:49
  earth.
• 0:49
  His
• 0:50
  will
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  be
• 0:51
  done.
• 0:56
  Ephesians
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  4,
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  25,
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  29
• 0:59
  the
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  Christian
• 0:59
  Standard
• 1:00
  Bible
• 1:00
  say,
• 1:01
  therefore,
• 1:02
  putting
• 1:02
  away
• 1:02
  lying,
• 1:03
  speak
• 1:03
  the
• 1:03
  truth,
• 1:04
  each
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  one
• 1:04
  to
• 1:05
  his
• 1:05
  neighbor.
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  Because
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  we
• 1:06
  are
• 1:06
  members
• 1:06
  of
• 1:06
  one
• 1:07
  another,
• 1:08
  be
• 1:08
  angry
• 1:08
  and
• 1:08
  do
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  not
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  sin.
• 1:09
  Don't
• 1:10
  let
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  the
• 1:10
  sun
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  go
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  down
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  on
• 1:11
  your
• 1:11
  anger
• 1:11
  and
• 1:12
  don't
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  give
• 1:12
  the
• 1:12
  devil
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  an
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  opportunity.
• 1:14
  Let
• 1:14
  the
• 1:14
  thief
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  no
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  longer
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  steal.
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  Instead
• 1:16
  he
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  is
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  to
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  do
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  honest
• 1:17
  work
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  with
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  his
• 1:18
  own
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  hands
• 1:19
  that
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  he
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  has
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  something
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  to
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  share
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  with
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  anyone
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  in
• 1:20
  need.
• 1:22
  No
• 1:22
  foul
• 1:22
  language
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  should
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  come
• 1:23
  from
• 1:23
  your
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  mouth,
• 1:24
  but
• 1:24
  only
• 1:24
  what
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  is
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  good
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  for
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  building
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  up
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  someone
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  in
• 1:26
  need,
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  so
• 1:27
  that
• 1:27
  it
• 1:27
  gives
• 1:27
  grace
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  to
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  those
• 1:28
  who
• 1:28
  hear.
• 1:29
  In
• 1:29
  the
• 1:29
  book
• 1:30
  of
• 1:30
  Ephesians,
• 1:30
  St.
• 1:30
  Paul
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  is
• 1:31
  explaining
• 1:31
  what
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  it
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  means
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  to
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  be
• 1:32
  the
• 1:32
  church.
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  And
• 1:33
  before
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  this
• 1:33
  pericope,
• 1:34
  Paul
• 1:34
  wrote
• 1:34
  that
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  the
• 1:34
  church
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  is
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  to
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  work
• 1:35
  together
• 1:35
  in
• 1:36
  all
• 1:36
  of
• 1:36
  our
• 1:36
  different
• 1:36
  roles.
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  Here,
• 1:37
  St.
• 1:38
  Paul
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  insists
• 1:38
  that
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  the
• 1:39
  church
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  builds
• 1:39
  one
• 1:39
  another
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  up
• 1:40
  in
• 1:40
  word
• 1:41
  deeds
• 1:42
  and
• 1:42
  he
• 1:42
  unties
• 1:43
  our
• 1:43
  occupational
• 1:44
  work
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  with
• 1:44
  to
• 1:44
  this
• 1:45
  idea.
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  Dr.
• 1:46
  Andy
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  Walsh,
• 1:47
  do
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  you
• 1:47
  think
• 1:48
  the
• 1:48
  way
• 1:48
  we
• 1:48
  present
• 1:49
  ourselves
• 1:49
  in
• 1:49
  work
• 1:50
  ties
• 1:50
  into
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  the
• 1:50
  idea
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  of
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  building
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  one
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  another
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  up?
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  Sure.
• 1:53
  I
• 1:53
  mean,
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  everyone
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  you
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  know
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  who
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  has
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  some
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  kind
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  of
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  employment
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  or
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  some
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  kind
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  of
• 1:58
  vocation.
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  Right.
• 1:59
  Needs
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  encouragement,
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  needs
• 2:01
  support
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  in
• 2:01
  that.
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  And
• 2:02
  so,
• 2:03
  yeah,
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  absolutely.
• 2:03
  I
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  think
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  that's
• 2:04
  part
• 2:04
  of
• 2:04
  being
• 2:05
  part
• 2:05
  of
• 2:05
  the
• 2:05
  body
• 2:05
  of
• 2:06
  Christ
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  is
• 2:07
  enabling
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  each
• 2:08
  other
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  to
• 2:10
  live
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  out
• 2:10
  our
• 2:10
  vocations.
• 2:11
  Yeah,
• 2:11
  yeah,
• 2:12
  Good
• 2:12
  stuff,
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  good
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  stuff.
• 2:16
  Come
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  be
• 2:19
  close
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  to
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  us
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  Lord
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  have
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  mercy
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  on
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  us,
• 2:30
  Lord,
• 2:32
  please
• 2:34
  put
• 2:35
  your
• 2:36
  hands
• 2:37
  all
• 2:38
  night
• 2:40
  day
• 2:40
  by
• 2:41
  day.
• 2:46
  Hey,
• 2:46
  guys,
• 2:46
  welcome
• 2:47
  to
• 2:47
  the
• 2:47
  Whole
• 2:48
  Church
• 2:48
  podcast.
• 2:49
  Back
• 2:49
  again
• 2:49
  with
• 2:50
  the
• 2:50
  Whole
• 2:50
  Church
• 2:51
  job
• 2:51
  fair.
• 2:52
  It's
• 2:53
  gonna
• 2:53
  be
• 2:53
  a
• 2:53
  fun
• 2:53
  one.
• 2:53
  Today
• 2:54
  we're
• 2:55
  doing
• 2:55
  the
• 2:55
  encore,
• 2:55
  right?
• 2:56
  We
• 2:56
  already
• 2:56
  finished
• 2:57
  the
• 2:57
  series
• 2:57
  up
• 2:57
  and
• 2:57
  you're
• 2:57
  all.
• 2:57
  Wait,
• 2:58
  what?
• 2:58
  Another
• 2:58
  one?
• 2:58
  You
• 2:59
  guys
• 2:59
  know
• 2:59
  we
• 2:59
  do
• 2:59
  this
• 3:00
  with
• 3:00
  all
• 3:00
  of
• 3:00
  our
• 3:00
  series.
• 3:01
  I
• 3:01
  don't
• 3:01
  even
• 3:01
  remember
• 3:01
  when
• 3:01
  we
• 3:01
  started
• 3:02
  doing
• 3:02
  series,
• 3:02
  but
• 3:02
  it's
• 3:03
  a
• 3:03
  thing
• 3:03
  we
• 3:03
  do
• 3:03
  now,
• 3:03
  apparently.
• 3:04
  And
• 3:04
  after
• 3:05
  each
• 3:05
  series,
• 3:05
  we
• 3:06
  like
• 3:06
  to
• 3:06
  do
• 3:06
  like
• 3:06
  a
• 3:06
  crossover
• 3:07
  with
• 3:07
  our
• 3:07
  other
• 3:07
  podcast,
• 3:08
  Systematic
• 3:08
  Geekology,
• 3:10
  because
• 3:10
  we
• 3:10
  like
• 3:10
  that
• 3:10
  show
• 3:10
  and
• 3:11
  we
• 3:11
  want
• 3:11
  to
• 3:11
  sponsor
• 3:12
  them
• 3:12
  also.
• 3:13
  So
• 3:13
  today
• 3:13
  we
• 3:13
  have
• 3:13
  a
• 3:14
  really
• 3:14
  special
• 3:14
  one.
• 3:14
  It's
• 3:14
  going
• 3:14
  to
• 3:14
  be
• 3:15
  a
• 3:15
  lot
• 3:15
  of
• 3:15
  fun.
• 3:15
  One
• 3:15
  of
• 3:15
  the
• 3:16
  other
• 3:16
  hosts
• 3:16
  of
• 3:16
  Systematic
• 3:16
  Ecology
• 3:17
  is
• 3:17
  here
• 3:17
  with
• 3:18
  us,
• 3:19
  Andy
• 3:19
  Walsh,
• 3:19
  the
• 3:20
  one
• 3:20
  and
• 3:20
  only.
• 3:20
  He's
• 3:20
  the
• 3:21
  Chief
• 3:21
  Science
• 3:21
  Officer
• 3:22
  at
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  Health
• 3:22
  Monitoring
• 3:23
  Systems
• 3:23
  in
• 3:23
  Pittsburgh,
• 3:24
  Pennsylvania.
• 3:24
  He's
• 3:25
  also
• 3:25
  the
• 3:25
  author
• 3:26
  of
• 3:26
  Faith
• 3:26
  across
• 3:26
  the
• 3:27
  Multiverse.
• 3:27
  And
• 3:27
  like
• 3:28
  we
• 3:28
  mentioned,
• 3:28
  he's
• 3:28
  one
• 3:28
  of
• 3:28
  the
• 3:29
  hosts
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  Systematic
• 3:29
  Geekology.
• 3:31
  And
• 3:32
  this
• 3:32
  episode
• 3:32
  is
• 3:32
  going
• 3:32
  to
• 3:32
  be
• 3:33
  cross
• 3:33
  posted
• 3:33
  over
• 3:33
  there
• 3:33
  too.
• 3:34
  So
• 3:34
  you
• 3:34
  guys,
• 3:34
  if
• 3:34
  you're
• 3:34
  on
• 3:35
  systematic
• 3:35
  ecology,
• 3:35
  listening
• 3:36
  to
• 3:36
  this
• 3:36
  and
• 3:36
  you're
• 3:36
  like,
• 3:36
  whoa,
• 3:36
  what's
• 3:36
  this?
• 3:37
  You
• 3:37
  can
• 3:37
  hear
• 3:37
  the
• 3:38
  rest
• 3:38
  of
• 3:38
  the
• 3:38
  whole
• 3:38
  Church
• 3:38
  Job
• 3:39
  fair
• 3:39
  series
• 3:40
  link
• 3:40
  down
• 3:41
  below.
• 3:41
  I
• 3:41
  think
• 3:42
  it's
• 3:42
  a
• 3:42
  lot
• 3:42
  of
• 3:42
  fun.
• 3:42
  So,
• 3:43
  Andy,
• 3:43
  thank
• 3:43
  you
• 3:43
  so
• 3:44
  much
• 3:44
  for
• 3:44
  joining
• 3:44
  us.
• 3:44
  Welcome
• 3:44
  to
• 3:44
  the
• 3:44
  show,
• 3:45
  man.
• 3:45
  You're
• 3:46
  welcome.
• 3:46
  Thanks
• 3:46
  for
• 3:46
  having
• 3:47
  me.
• 3:47
  Yeah,
• 3:47
  man.
• 3:48
  Yeah,
• 3:48
  yeah,
• 3:48
  yeah,
• 3:48
  yeah.
• 3:49
  And
• 3:49
  of
• 3:50
  course,
• 3:50
  we
• 3:50
  couldn't
• 3:50
  have
• 3:51
  this
• 3:51
  show
• 3:52
  without
• 3:52
  the
• 3:52
  one
• 3:53
  who
• 3:53
  invented
• 3:54
  language.
• 3:54
  We
• 3:55
  wouldn't
• 3:55
  even
• 3:55
  know
• 3:55
  the
• 3:56
  word
• 3:56
  show
• 3:56
  or
• 3:56
  podcast
• 3:57
  if
• 3:57
  it
• 3:57
  wasn't
• 3:57
  for
• 3:57
  the
• 3:57
  one
• 3:57
  and
• 3:58
  only
• 3:58
  T.J.
• 3:58
  tiberius
• 3:59
  Juan
• 3:59
  Blackwell.
• 4:00
  Welcome
• 4:00
  to
• 4:00
  your
• 4:00
  show.
• 4:01
  Thanks.
• 4:02
  If
• 4:02
  you're
• 4:03
  listening
• 4:03
  to
• 4:03
  this,
• 4:03
  you
• 4:03
  should
• 4:03
  check
• 4:03
  out
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  Onazzow
• 4:04
  Podcast
• 4:05
  Network
• 4:06
  website.
• 4:06
  The
• 4:06
  link
• 4:06
  is
• 4:07
  below
• 4:07
  for
• 4:07
  shows
• 4:07
  that
• 4:07
  are
• 4:07
  like
• 4:08
  ours.
• 4:09
  And
• 4:10
  if
• 4:10
  you're
• 4:11
  already
• 4:11
  listening
• 4:11
  on
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  YouTube
• 4:12
  channel,
• 4:12
  hit,
• 4:12
  like
• 4:13
  hit
• 4:13
  subscribe
• 4:14
  pretty
• 4:14
  please.
• 4:15
  Yeah,
• 4:15
  yeah.
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  mean,
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  think
• 4:16
  that's
• 4:17
  generally
• 4:17
  a
• 4:17
  good
• 4:17
  idea.
• 4:18
  But
• 4:20
  another
• 4:20
  thing
• 4:20
  I
• 4:20
  think
• 4:21
  is
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  really
• 4:21
  good
• 4:21
  idea.
• 4:22
  My
• 4:22
  favorite
• 4:22
  form
• 4:23
  of
• 4:23
  unity
• 4:24
  actually
• 4:24
  is
• 4:26
  it
• 4:26
  comes
• 4:26
  in
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  form
• 4:27
  of
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  holy
• 4:27
  sacrament,
• 4:27
  that
• 4:27
  which
• 4:28
  is
• 4:28
  silliness.
• 4:29
  So
• 4:30
  we
• 4:30
  always
• 4:30
  start
• 4:30
  our
• 4:30
  show
• 4:30
  off
• 4:30
  with
• 4:31
  a
• 4:31
  silly
• 4:31
  question.
• 4:32
  And
• 4:32
  if
• 4:32
  you've
• 4:32
  listened
• 4:33
  throughout
• 4:33
  this
• 4:34
  series,
• 4:34
  we
• 4:35
  did
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  same
• 4:35
  silly
• 4:36
  question.
• 4:36
  We
• 4:36
  got
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  definitive
• 4:37
  answer
• 4:37
  from
• 4:37
  Brandon
• 4:37
  Knight.
• 4:38
  And
• 4:39
  now
• 4:39
  we're
• 4:39
  going
• 4:39
  back
• 4:39
  to
• 4:40
  get
• 4:40
  a
• 4:40
  scientific
• 4:41
  answer,
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  very
• 4:42
  well
• 4:42
  researched
• 4:43
  answer
• 4:43
  to
• 4:44
  this
• 4:44
  question.
• 4:45
  You
• 4:45
  know,
• 4:45
  when
• 4:45
  we
• 4:46
  asked
• 4:46
  our
• 4:46
  Facebook
• 4:46
  group,
• 4:46
  what
• 4:46
  are
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  biggest
• 4:47
  theological
• 4:47
  questions
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  the
• 4:48
  church
• 4:48
  and
• 4:49
  seminaries
• 4:49
  have
• 4:49
  been
• 4:49
  arguing
• 4:50
  about?
• 4:50
  Samantha
• 4:50
  Perez,
• 4:51
  a
• 4:51
  good
• 4:51
  friend
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  ours,
• 4:52
  threw
• 4:52
  out
• 4:52
  is
• 4:53
  the
• 4:53
  hot
• 4:53
  dog
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  sandwich?
• 4:54
  And
• 4:54
  a
• 4:54
  lot
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  people
• 4:54
  voted
• 4:55
  for
• 4:55
  her
• 4:55
  option,
• 4:56
  so
• 4:56
  we
• 4:56
  had
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  include
• 4:57
  it
• 4:57
  somewhere.
• 4:57
  So
• 4:57
  here
• 4:58
  it
• 4:58
  is,
• 4:58
  part
• 4:58
  of
• 4:59
  our
• 4:59
  silly
• 4:59
  questions.
• 5:01
  Andy,
• 5:01
  please
• 5:02
  let
• 5:02
  us
• 5:02
  know.
• 5:02
  Scientifically,
• 5:04
  is
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  hot
• 5:04
  dog
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  sandwich?
• 5:05
  Well,
• 5:05
  how
• 5:06
  do
• 5:06
  you
• 5:06
  follow
• 5:06
  up
• 5:06
  someone
• 5:06
  who's
• 5:07
  already
• 5:07
  given
• 5:07
  the
• 5:07
  definitive
• 5:08
  answer,
• 5:09
  being.
• 5:10
  More
• 5:10
  definitive,
• 5:11
  you
• 5:11
  didn't
• 5:11
  hear
• 5:11
  it,
• 5:11
  did
• 5:12
  you?
• 5:12
  If
• 5:13
  you
• 5:13
  didn't
• 5:13
  hear
• 5:13
  it,
• 5:13
  then
• 5:14
  I.
• 5:14
  Don'T
• 5:14
  even
• 5:14
  know
• 5:15
  what
• 5:15
  it
• 5:15
  was.
• 5:15
  Floors
• 5:16
  here,
• 5:16
  we
• 5:16
  haven't
• 5:16
  recorded
• 5:16
  that
• 5:17
  yet.
• 5:18
  Well,
• 5:18
  okay,
• 5:18
  so
• 5:19
  we're
• 5:19
  doing
• 5:19
  time
• 5:19
  travel,
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  course.
• 5:21
  Yeah.
• 5:22
  You
• 5:22
  know,
• 5:23
  it's
• 5:23
  meat
• 5:24
  inside
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  bread.
• 5:26
  If
• 5:26
  you
• 5:26
  want
• 5:26
  to
• 5:26
  call
• 5:26
  it
• 5:26
  a
• 5:26
  sandwich.
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  have
• 5:27
  no
• 5:27
  quarrels
• 5:27
  with
• 5:28
  that.
• 5:28
  Good
• 5:29
  answer.
• 5:29
  Good
• 5:29
  answer.
• 5:31
  In
• 5:31
  what
• 5:32
  ways,
• 5:32
  if
• 5:32
  any,
• 5:33
  do
• 5:33
  you
• 5:33
  think
• 5:34
  this
• 5:34
  question
• 5:34
  could
• 5:35
  be
• 5:35
  relevant
• 5:35
  to
• 5:35
  your
• 5:35
  life?
• 5:37
  I
• 5:38
  don't
• 5:38
  know.
• 5:38
  I
• 5:38
  mean,
• 5:39
  whenever
• 5:40
  this
• 5:40
  comes
• 5:40
  up,
• 5:41
  it
• 5:41
  makes
• 5:41
  me
• 5:41
  think
• 5:41
  of
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  John
• 5:42
  Hodgman
• 5:43
  podcast,
• 5:45
  because
• 5:45
  that
• 5:45
  seems
• 5:46
  to
• 5:46
  be
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  question
• 5:46
  that
• 5:46
  launched
• 5:47
  that
• 5:48
  whole
• 5:48
  thing.
• 5:50
  So,
• 5:50
  yeah,
• 5:50
  I
• 5:50
  don't
• 5:50
  know,
• 5:51
  maybe
• 5:51
  someday
• 5:53
  we'll
• 5:53
  all
• 5:53
  be
• 5:53
  called
• 5:54
  upon
• 5:54
  to
• 5:54
  make
• 5:55
  judgments
• 5:56
  on
• 5:56
  arbitrary
• 5:57
  questions
• 5:57
  that
• 5:57
  hinge
• 5:58
  on
• 5:58
  definitions
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  semantics
• 5:59
  rather
• 6:00
  than
• 6:01
  actual
• 6:02
  science.
• 6:02
  Yeah.
• 6:03
  Yeah.
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  mean,
• 6:04
  those
• 6:04
  are
• 6:04
  the
• 6:05
  important
• 6:05
  things
• 6:06
  in
• 6:06
  life,
• 6:06
  I
• 6:06
  think,
• 6:07
  perhaps.
• 6:07
  Or
• 6:08
  maybe
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  completely
• 6:09
  unimportant
• 6:09
  things.
• 6:10
  Hard
• 6:10
  to
• 6:10
  tell.
• 6:11
  But
• 6:13
  for
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  purposes
• 6:13
  of
• 6:14
  this
• 6:14
  series,
• 6:14
  we're
• 6:15
  not
• 6:15
  just
• 6:15
  doing
• 6:15
  a
• 6:16
  hot
• 6:16
  dog
• 6:16
  podcast,
• 6:17
  unfortunately,
• 6:18
  but
• 6:18
  what
• 6:19
  we
• 6:19
  are
• 6:19
  doing
• 6:19
  that
• 6:19
  I
• 6:20
  think
• 6:20
  is
• 6:20
  really
• 6:20
  cool,
• 6:22
  we
• 6:22
  are
• 6:22
  doing
• 6:23
  a
• 6:23
  series,
• 6:23
  or
• 6:24
  did
• 6:24
  a
• 6:24
  series
• 6:24
  now,
• 6:26
  on
• 6:27
  people's
• 6:27
  occupational
• 6:28
  work,
• 6:28
  their
• 6:28
  daily
• 6:29
  lives,
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  see
• 6:29
  whether
• 6:29
  or
• 6:30
  not
• 6:30
  this
• 6:30
  stuff
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  we're
• 6:30
  arguing
• 6:31
  about
• 6:31
  is
• 6:31
  actually
• 6:31
  important
• 6:32
  to
• 6:32
  regular
• 6:33
  people
• 6:33
  in
• 6:33
  their
• 6:33
  regular
• 6:34
  lives
• 6:35
  or
• 6:35
  not
• 6:35
  so
• 6:36
  regular
• 6:36
  people
• 6:36
  in
• 6:36
  their
• 6:36
  not
• 6:36
  so
• 6:36
  regular
• 6:37
  lives.
• 6:37
  You
• 6:37
  know,
• 6:37
  however
• 6:38
  you
• 6:38
  want
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  take
• 6:38
  it.
• 6:38
  A
• 6:39
  lot
• 6:39
  of
• 6:39
  our
• 6:39
  listeners,
• 6:39
  though,
• 6:40
  they're
• 6:40
  pastors,
• 6:40
  theologians,
• 6:41
  church
• 6:41
  leaders,
• 6:42
  podcasters,
• 6:43
  and
• 6:43
  we
• 6:43
  think
• 6:43
  it's
• 6:43
  important
• 6:44
  for
• 6:44
  our
• 6:44
  church
• 6:44
  leaders
• 6:45
  to
• 6:45
  hear
• 6:45
  this
• 6:46
  stuff.
• 6:46
  And
• 6:46
  I
• 6:46
  think
• 6:46
  they
• 6:47
  can
• 6:47
  benefit
• 6:47
  from
• 6:47
  hearing
• 6:47
  and
• 6:48
  learning
• 6:48
  from
• 6:48
  people
• 6:48
  who
• 6:49
  are
• 6:49
  in
• 6:49
  other
• 6:49
  occupations.
• 6:50
  So,
• 6:51
  yeah,
• 6:51
  that's
• 6:51
  why
• 6:51
  we're
• 6:51
  doing
• 6:52
  this
• 6:52
  for
• 6:52
  our
• 6:52
  core.
• 6:53
  We
• 6:53
  decided
• 6:54
  to
• 6:54
  act
• 6:54
  like
• 6:54
  we
• 6:55
  knew
• 6:55
  our
• 6:55
  audience
• 6:55
  for
• 6:55
  once.
• 6:56
  Yeah.
• 6:57
  Yeah.
• 6:57
  For
• 6:58
  church
• 6:59
  listeners
• 6:59
  that
• 7:00
  may
• 7:00
  not
• 7:00
  know
• 7:00
  you
• 7:01
  from
• 7:01
  Systematic
• 7:02
  Ecology,
• 7:02
  Andy,
• 7:03
  would
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  mind
• 7:04
  filling
• 7:04
  them
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  with
• 7:04
  your
• 7:04
  history
• 7:05
  with
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  church
• 7:05
  and
• 7:06
  your
• 7:06
  book,
• 7:06
  Faith
• 7:07
  across
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  Multiverse,
• 7:08
  and
• 7:08
  some
• 7:08
  of
• 7:08
  what
• 7:09
  you
• 7:09
  like
• 7:09
  about
• 7:10
  what
• 7:10
  our
• 7:10
  other
• 7:10
  podcast,
• 7:11
  Systematic
• 7:11
  Ecology,
• 7:12
  does?
• 7:13
  Oh,
• 7:13
  sure.
• 7:13
  So,
• 7:14
  short,
• 7:14
  easy
• 7:15
  question.
• 7:16
  History
• 7:16
  of
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  church.
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  mean,
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  grew
• 7:18
  up
• 7:18
  attending
• 7:18
  church
• 7:19
  pretty
• 7:19
  much,
• 7:20
  you
• 7:20
  know,
• 7:20
  for
• 7:20
  as
• 7:20
  long
• 7:20
  as
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  can
• 7:20
  remember
• 7:22
  in
• 7:23
  New
• 7:23
  Jersey
• 7:23
  and
• 7:23
  then
• 7:24
  other
• 7:24
  places.
• 7:25
  I've
• 7:26
  traveled
• 7:27
  mostly
• 7:28
  in
• 7:28
  Western
• 7:28
  Pennsylvania
• 7:29
  after
• 7:29
  that.
• 7:31
  Also
• 7:32
  went
• 7:32
  to
• 7:33
  Christian
• 7:33
  schools
• 7:35
  from
• 7:35
  kindergarten
• 7:36
  through
• 7:36
  high
• 7:36
  school,
• 7:37
  and
• 7:37
  then
• 7:37
  was
• 7:37
  involved
• 7:38
  with
• 7:38
  InterVarsity
• 7:39
  Christian
• 7:39
  Fellowship
• 7:39
  as
• 7:40
  an
• 7:40
  undergrad
• 7:40
  and
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  grad
• 7:41
  student.
• 7:43
  So,
• 7:43
  yeah,
• 7:43
  lots
• 7:44
  of.
• 7:44
  Lots
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  history
• 7:44
  with
• 7:44
  the
• 7:45
  church.
• 7:46
  And
• 7:46
  then,
• 7:47
  you
• 7:48
  know,
• 7:48
  my
• 7:48
  science
• 7:48
  background
• 7:49
  studied
• 7:50
  biology
• 7:50
  as
• 7:51
  an
• 7:51
  undergrad
• 7:51
  at
• 7:51
  Carnegie
• 7:52
  Mellon,
• 7:52
  studied
• 7:53
  molecular
• 7:54
  microbiology
• 7:54
  and
• 7:54
  immunology
• 7:55
  for
• 7:56
  my
• 7:56
  PhD
• 7:56
  at
• 7:56
  the
• 7:57
  Johns
• 7:57
  Hopkins
• 7:57
  Bloomberg
• 7:58
  School
• 7:58
  of
• 7:58
  Public
• 7:58
  Health.
• 7:59
  And
• 7:59
  after
• 8:00
  a
• 8:00
  postdoc
• 8:01
  in
• 8:01
  computational
• 8:01
  biology,
• 8:02
  I've
• 8:02
  been
• 8:02
  working
• 8:03
  at
• 8:03
  Health
• 8:03
  Monitoring
• 8:04
  Systems,
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  public
• 8:04
  health
• 8:05
  software
• 8:05
  company
• 8:05
  in
• 8:06
  western
• 8:06
  Pennsylvania,
• 8:07
  for
• 8:07
  over
• 8:08
  16
• 8:08
  years
• 8:08
  now.
• 8:09
  And
• 8:09
  Faith
• 8:09
  across
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  Multiverse
• 8:10
  was
• 8:10
  a
• 8:10
  book
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  wrote
• 8:11
  a
• 8:12
  few
• 8:12
  years
• 8:12
  ago
• 8:12
  now
• 8:14
  about
• 8:15
  the
• 8:15
  intersection
• 8:16
  of
• 8:17
  Christian
• 8:18
  faith,
• 8:18
  science,
• 8:19
  and
• 8:19
  particularly
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  vocabulary
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  concepts
• 8:21
  of
• 8:21
  science
• 8:22
  and
• 8:22
  nerdy
• 8:22
  pop
• 8:22
  culture.
• 8:23
  And
• 8:23
  that's
• 8:24
  how
• 8:24
  I
• 8:24
  got
• 8:25
  connected
• 8:25
  with
• 8:25
  Will
• 8:26
  Rose
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  the
• 8:27
  Systematic
• 8:27
  Ecology
• 8:28
  podcast.
• 8:28
  We
• 8:29
  were
• 8:29
  operating
• 8:30
  at
• 8:30
  very
• 8:30
  similar
• 8:31
  interfaces
• 8:32
  there
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  nerdy
• 8:33
  pop
• 8:33
  culture
• 8:34
  and
• 8:35
  Christian
• 8:35
  theology.
• 8:36
  Yeah.
• 8:37
  Plus
• 8:37
  Will
• 8:37
  just
• 8:38
  needed
• 8:38
  another
• 8:38
  comic
• 8:39
  book
• 8:39
  friend
• 8:39
  that
• 8:40
  really
• 8:40
  liked
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  X
• 8:40
  Men.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  think
• 8:41
  that
• 8:41
  was
• 8:41
  also
• 8:41
  a
• 8:42
  thing.
• 8:42
  Yeah,
• 8:43
  I'm
• 8:44
  happy
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  apply.
• 8:45
  Well,
• 8:45
  see,
• 8:45
  the
• 8:46
  Problem
• 8:46
  is,
• 8:46
  Will
• 8:46
  is
• 8:47
  too
• 8:47
  young
• 8:47
  of
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  soul.
• 8:49
  All
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  young
• 8:49
  comic
• 8:50
  book
• 8:50
  fans
• 8:50
  don't
• 8:50
  read
• 8:50
  X
• 8:51
  Men.
• 8:52
  I
• 8:52
  feel
• 8:52
  like
• 8:52
  I'm
• 8:52
  old
• 8:52
  enough
• 8:53
  I
• 8:53
  should
• 8:53
  read
• 8:53
  X
• 8:53
  Men.
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  just
• 8:54
  don't.
• 8:55
  Yeah,
• 8:55
  he
• 8:55
  did.
• 8:55
  He,
• 8:55
  you
• 8:56
  know,
• 8:56
  was
• 8:56
  just.
• 8:56
  He
• 8:56
  wants
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  connect
• 8:57
  with
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  young
• 8:57
  people,
• 8:57
  and
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  young
• 8:58
  people
• 8:58
  don't
• 8:58
  like
• 8:58
  X
• 8:59
  Men.
• 8:59
  That's
• 8:59
  weird.
• 9:00
  Why?
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  don't
• 9:00
  know
• 9:00
  what
• 9:00
  it
• 9:00
  is.
• 9:01
  You
• 9:01
  know
• 9:01
  what?
• 9:02
  It's
• 9:02
  because
• 9:02
  they
• 9:02
  watched
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  Hulu
• 9:03
  series
• 9:03
  Runaways
• 9:03
  and
• 9:04
  it
• 9:04
  was
• 9:04
  too
• 9:04
  good.
• 9:04
  Now
• 9:05
  they
• 9:05
  don't
• 9:05
  care
• 9:05
  about
• 9:05
  X
• 9:05
  Men.
• 9:06
  Yeah.
• 9:06
  Yeah.
• 9:07
  That's
• 9:07
  compared
• 9:08
  to
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  Fox
• 9:08
  movies.
• 9:08
  Yeah.
• 9:09
  So
• 9:10
  this
• 9:11
  is
• 9:11
  our
• 9:11
  whole
• 9:12
  church
• 9:12
  job.
• 9:12
  Fair.
• 9:12
  So
• 9:13
  before
• 9:13
  getting
• 9:13
  into,
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  know,
• 9:14
  the
• 9:15
  business,
• 9:16
  if
• 9:16
  someone
• 9:17
  never
• 9:17
  heard
• 9:18
  of
• 9:18
  what
• 9:18
  it
• 9:18
  is
• 9:18
  you
• 9:19
  do,
• 9:19
  Andy,
• 9:19
  how
• 9:20
  would
• 9:20
  you
• 9:20
  describe
• 9:20
  your
• 9:21
  job,
• 9:21
  and
• 9:21
  how
• 9:22
  would
• 9:22
  you
• 9:22
  address
• 9:22
  anyone
• 9:23
  interested
• 9:23
  in
• 9:24
  pursuing
• 9:24
  your
• 9:24
  job
• 9:25
  as
• 9:25
  a
• 9:25
  career?
• 9:26
  Yeah,
• 9:26
  well,
• 9:27
  frankly,
• 9:27
  I'm
• 9:27
  always
• 9:27
  surprised
• 9:28
  when
• 9:28
  anybody
• 9:28
  has
• 9:28
  heard
• 9:29
  of
• 9:29
  what
• 9:29
  we
• 9:29
  do.
• 9:30
  So
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  work
• 9:31
  for
• 9:31
  public
• 9:32
  health
• 9:32
  software
• 9:32
  company
• 9:32
  that
• 9:33
  provides
• 9:33
  software
• 9:34
  that
• 9:34
  does
• 9:34
  something
• 9:34
  called
• 9:35
  syndromic
• 9:35
  surveillance.
• 9:36
  So
• 9:37
  we've
• 9:37
  all
• 9:37
  learned
• 9:38
  probably
• 9:38
  way
• 9:38
  more
• 9:38
  than
• 9:38
  we
• 9:38
  wanted
• 9:39
  to
• 9:39
  about
• 9:39
  traditional
• 9:39
  public
• 9:40
  health
• 9:40
  surveillance
• 9:40
  over
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  past
• 9:41
  five
• 9:42
  years,
• 9:44
  where
• 9:44
  people
• 9:45
  get
• 9:45
  diagnosed
• 9:45
  with
• 9:46
  something
• 9:46
  specific.
• 9:46
  And
• 9:47
  a
• 9:47
  doctor
• 9:48
  or
• 9:48
  lab
• 9:49
  or
• 9:49
  pharmacy
• 9:50
  that
• 9:51
  makes
• 9:51
  that
• 9:51
  diagnosis
• 9:51
  notifies
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  public
• 9:52
  health
• 9:52
  department,
• 9:53
  and
• 9:53
  they
• 9:53
  keep
• 9:53
  track
• 9:53
  of
• 9:53
  those
• 9:54
  people
• 9:54
  with
• 9:54
  specific
• 9:55
  diagnoses.
• 9:56
  Syndromic
• 9:56
  surveillance
• 9:57
  is
• 9:57
  about
• 9:57
  monitoring
• 9:58
  things
• 9:58
  at
• 9:58
  the
• 9:58
  population
• 9:59
  level
• 10:00
  before
• 10:00
  people
• 10:01
  are
• 10:01
  diagnosed.
• 10:02
  So
• 10:02
  when
• 10:03
  you
• 10:03
  walk
• 10:03
  into
• 10:03
  the
• 10:03
  emergency
• 10:04
  department
• 10:04
  or
• 10:04
  your
• 10:04
  doctor's
• 10:05
  office,
• 10:06
  you
• 10:07
  know
• 10:07
  why
• 10:07
  you
• 10:07
  went
• 10:07
  there,
• 10:08
  you
• 10:08
  have
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  fever,
• 10:09
  you
• 10:09
  fell,
• 10:10
  and
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  worried
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  broke
• 10:10
  your
• 10:11
  arm,
• 10:11
  you
• 10:11
  were
• 10:12
  in
• 10:12
  some
• 10:12
  sort
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  car
• 10:12
  accident.
• 10:14
  You
• 10:14
  know
• 10:14
  you
• 10:14
  were
• 10:15
  having
• 10:15
  chest
• 10:15
  pain,
• 10:15
  chest
• 10:16
  pains
• 10:16
  or
• 10:17
  pain
• 10:17
  in
• 10:17
  your
• 10:17
  arm,
• 10:17
  and
• 10:17
  you're
• 10:17
  not
• 10:18
  sure
• 10:18
  if
• 10:18
  you're
• 10:18
  having
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  heart
• 10:18
  attack
• 10:19
  or
• 10:19
  an
• 10:19
  anxiety
• 10:19
  attack
• 10:20
  or
• 10:20
  some
• 10:20
  other
• 10:20
  kind
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  thing.
• 10:21
  Right.
• 10:21
  All
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  different
• 10:22
  reasons
• 10:22
  people
• 10:22
  seek
• 10:22
  health
• 10:22
  care.
• 10:23
  They
• 10:23
  know
• 10:23
  why
• 10:23
  they're
• 10:24
  there.
• 10:24
  They
• 10:24
  don't
• 10:24
  know
• 10:24
  what
• 10:25
  they
• 10:25
  have.
• 10:25
  That's
• 10:25
  why
• 10:25
  they're
• 10:26
  going
• 10:26
  to
• 10:26
  see
• 10:26
  a
• 10:26
  medical
• 10:26
  professional.
• 10:27
  But
• 10:27
  they
• 10:27
  can
• 10:27
  describe
• 10:28
  something
• 10:28
  about
• 10:28
  what
• 10:28
  they're
• 10:28
  experiencing.
• 10:29
  So
• 10:29
  we
• 10:29
  get
• 10:30
  that
• 10:30
  data,
• 10:30
  somebody
• 10:31
  has
• 10:31
  to
• 10:31
  type
• 10:31
  that
• 10:31
  up,
• 10:32
  that
• 10:32
  reason
• 10:33
  that
• 10:33
  you
• 10:33
  walked
• 10:33
  in
• 10:33
  the
• 10:34
  door.
• 10:34
  Somebody
• 10:34
  types
• 10:35
  that
• 10:35
  up,
• 10:35
  and
• 10:35
  we
• 10:35
  get
• 10:35
  it
• 10:36
  typically
• 10:36
  within
• 10:36
  five
• 10:37
  minutes
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  the
• 10:38
  person
• 10:38
  arriving
• 10:38
  at
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  healthcare
• 10:39
  facility.
• 10:40
  So
• 10:40
  we're
• 10:40
  monitoring
• 10:41
  these
• 10:41
  things
• 10:41
  in
• 10:41
  real
• 10:41
  time,
• 10:42
  and
• 10:42
  we're
• 10:42
  adding
• 10:42
  up,
• 10:43
  okay,
• 10:43
  in
• 10:44
  the
• 10:44
  past
• 10:44
  hour,
• 10:44
  how
• 10:44
  many
• 10:44
  people
• 10:45
  came
• 10:45
  in
• 10:45
  with
• 10:45
  fever,
• 10:46
  came
• 10:46
  in
• 10:46
  with
• 10:47
  worries
• 10:47
  about
• 10:47
  chest
• 10:48
  pain.
• 10:49
  And
• 10:49
  if
• 10:49
  there
• 10:50
  are
• 10:50
  larger
• 10:51
  than
• 10:51
  expected
• 10:51
  numbers
• 10:53
  in
• 10:53
  a
• 10:53
  particular
• 10:54
  area,
• 10:54
  we'll
• 10:54
  notify
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  relevant
• 10:55
  public
• 10:55
  health
• 10:56
  department.
• 10:57
  And
• 10:57
  then
• 10:57
  our
• 10:58
  software
• 10:58
  provides
• 10:58
  them
• 10:59
  with
• 10:59
  tools
• 10:59
  so
• 10:59
  they
• 10:59
  can
• 10:59
  follow
• 11:00
  up
• 11:00
  and
• 11:00
  see
• 11:00
  is
• 11:00
  there
• 11:00
  something
• 11:01
  going
• 11:01
  on
• 11:01
  here
• 11:01
  that
• 11:01
  we
• 11:01
  need
• 11:01
  to
• 11:01
  worry
• 11:02
  about?
• 11:02
  Do
• 11:02
  we
• 11:02
  need
• 11:02
  to
• 11:02
  keep
• 11:03
  an
• 11:03
  eye
• 11:03
  on
• 11:03
  this
• 11:03
  further?
• 11:04
  Is
• 11:04
  this
• 11:05
  something
• 11:05
  that
• 11:05
  we
• 11:05
  already
• 11:05
  knew
• 11:06
  about,
• 11:06
  whatever
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  case
• 11:06
  may
• 11:06
  be,
• 11:07
  but
• 11:07
  they
• 11:07
  have
• 11:07
  then
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  tools
• 11:08
  to
• 11:08
  do
• 11:09
  their
• 11:09
  actual
• 11:09
  public
• 11:09
  health
• 11:09
  work,
• 11:10
  so
• 11:10
  we're
• 11:10
  trying
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  help
• 11:11
  support
• 11:11
  them,
• 11:11
  cut
• 11:11
  down
• 11:12
  on
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  manual
• 11:13
  work
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  they
• 11:13
  have
• 11:13
  to
• 11:14
  do,
• 11:14
  and
• 11:14
  also
• 11:14
  maybe
• 11:15
  hopefully
• 11:15
  identify
• 11:16
  things
• 11:16
  as
• 11:17
  early
• 11:17
  as
• 11:17
  possible,
• 11:18
  perhaps
• 11:18
  even
• 11:18
  before
• 11:20
  there's
• 11:20
  an
• 11:20
  opportunity
• 11:21
  to
• 11:21
  diagnose
• 11:21
  folks.
• 11:22
  Yeah,
• 11:23
  yeah.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:23
  if
• 11:23
  somebody
• 11:24
  wanted
• 11:25
  to
• 11:25
  get
• 11:25
  into
• 11:26
  that
• 11:26
  kind
• 11:26
  of
• 11:26
  work
• 11:26
  themselves,
• 11:27
  where
• 11:28
  would
• 11:28
  they
• 11:28
  start?
• 11:29
  Sure.
• 11:30
  So
• 11:30
  that's
• 11:31
  a
• 11:31
  good
• 11:31
  question,
• 11:31
  because
• 11:31
  I
• 11:31
  don't
• 11:31
  know
• 11:32
  very
• 11:32
  many
• 11:32
  people
• 11:32
  who
• 11:33
  have
• 11:33
  jobs
• 11:34
  exactly
• 11:34
  like
• 11:34
  mine,
• 11:35
  but
• 11:35
  certainly
• 11:36
  there
• 11:36
  are
• 11:36
  lots
• 11:37
  of
• 11:37
  public
• 11:37
  health
• 11:37
  folks
• 11:38
  who
• 11:38
  use
• 11:38
  syndromic
• 11:38
  surveillance
• 11:39
  software.
• 11:40
  And
• 11:40
  so
• 11:40
  if
• 11:40
  you
• 11:41
  wanted
• 11:41
  to
• 11:41
  get
• 11:41
  into
• 11:41
  a
• 11:41
  career
• 11:42
  in
• 11:42
  public
• 11:42
  health,
• 11:42
  typically
• 11:43
  public
• 11:43
  health
• 11:43
  degree
• 11:44
  is
• 11:44
  a,
• 11:45
  is
• 11:45
  a
• 11:45
  graduate
• 11:45
  level
• 11:46
  degree.
• 11:46
  Right.
• 11:46
  So
• 11:47
  you
• 11:47
  might.
• 11:47
  There's
• 11:47
  a
• 11:47
  variety
• 11:48
  of
• 11:48
  things
• 11:48
  you
• 11:48
  could
• 11:48
  study
• 11:48
  at
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  undergraduate
• 11:49
  level,
• 11:50
  biology
• 11:50
  would
• 11:50
  be
• 11:51
  one
• 11:51
  of
• 11:51
  them.
• 11:51
  But
• 11:51
  other
• 11:51
  things,
• 11:52
  you
• 11:52
  know,
• 11:52
  public
• 11:52
  policy,
• 11:54
  some
• 11:54
  kind
• 11:54
  of
• 11:54
  pre
• 11:54
  law
• 11:54
  thing
• 11:55
  might
• 11:55
  even
• 11:55
  be
• 11:55
  relevant.
• 11:55
  You
• 11:56
  know,
• 11:56
  public
• 11:56
  health
• 11:56
  sits
• 11:57
  at
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  intersection
• 11:58
  of
• 12:00
  science,
• 12:00
  but
• 12:01
  also
• 12:02
  public
• 12:02
  policy
• 12:02
  and
• 12:03
  politics
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  so
• 12:03
  forth.
• 12:04
  And
• 12:04
  so
• 12:04
  there's
• 12:04
  lots
• 12:05
  of
• 12:05
  those
• 12:05
  kinds
• 12:05
  of
• 12:05
  degrees
• 12:06
  that
• 12:06
  might
• 12:06
  be
• 12:06
  worthwhile
• 12:07
  as
• 12:07
  well.
• 12:07
  Some
• 12:07
  schools
• 12:08
  even
• 12:08
  have
• 12:08
  undergraduate
• 12:09
  degrees
• 12:09
  in
• 12:09
  public
• 12:09
  health
• 12:10
  that
• 12:10
  you
• 12:10
  can
• 12:10
  major
• 12:11
  in.
• 12:12
  So
• 12:12
  something
• 12:13
  like
• 12:13
  that.
• 12:13
  And
• 12:13
  then,
• 12:13
  you
• 12:14
  know,
• 12:14
  typically
• 12:14
  you'll
• 12:14
  need
• 12:14
  to
• 12:15
  go
• 12:15
  to
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  school
• 12:15
  of
• 12:15
  public
• 12:16
  health
• 12:16
  for
• 12:17
  a
• 12:17
  master's
• 12:17
  degree,
• 12:18
  master's
• 12:19
  of
• 12:19
  public
• 12:19
  health
• 12:20
  or
• 12:21
  something
• 12:21
  along
• 12:21
  those
• 12:22
  lines,
• 12:22
  if
• 12:22
  you're
• 12:23
  looking
• 12:23
  to
• 12:23
  get
• 12:23
  into
• 12:24
  then
• 12:24
  working
• 12:25
  for
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  public
• 12:26
  health
• 12:26
  department.
• 12:26
  And
• 12:26
  there
• 12:26
  are
• 12:27
  public
• 12:27
  health
• 12:27
  departments
• 12:28
  in
• 12:29
  your
• 12:29
  state,
• 12:30
  certainly
• 12:31
  many
• 12:31
  counties
• 12:32
  or
• 12:32
  large
• 12:32
  municipal
• 12:33
  areas.
• 12:34
  So
• 12:34
  someplace
• 12:35
  like
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  city
• 12:35
  of
• 12:35
  New
• 12:35
  York
• 12:36
  has
• 12:36
  their
• 12:36
  own
• 12:36
  public
• 12:37
  health
• 12:37
  department
• 12:37
  or
• 12:37
  the
• 12:38
  city
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  Los
• 12:38
  Angeles,
• 12:41
  it
• 12:41
  kind
• 12:41
  of
• 12:41
  depends.
• 12:42
  But
• 12:42
  there
• 12:42
  are
• 12:42
  probably
• 12:42
  lots
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  public
• 12:43
  health
• 12:43
  departments
• 12:44
  in
• 12:44
  your
• 12:44
  general
• 12:45
  area.
• 12:45
  And
• 12:46
  so
• 12:47
  that
• 12:47
  would
• 12:47
  probably
• 12:47
  be
• 12:47
  the
• 12:48
  career
• 12:48
  path.
• 12:49
  Cool,
• 12:49
  cool,
• 12:49
  cool,
• 12:49
  cool.
• 12:50
  So
• 12:50
  I
• 12:51
  know
• 12:51
  we've
• 12:51
  discussed
• 12:51
  this
• 12:52
  several
• 12:53
  different
• 12:53
  podcasts.
• 12:53
  Plenty
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  places,
• 12:54
  plenty
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  other
• 12:55
  people,
• 12:55
  probably
• 12:56
  smarter
• 12:56
  people
• 12:56
  than
• 12:57
  me
• 12:57
  anyway,
• 12:58
  have
• 12:59
  been
• 12:59
  talking
• 12:59
  about
• 12:59
  this.
• 12:59
  But
• 13:00
  how
• 13:00
  would
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  describe
• 13:01
  some
• 13:01
  of
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  challenges
• 13:01
  today
• 13:02
  when
• 13:02
  it
• 13:02
  concerns
• 13:03
  integrating
• 13:03
  faith
• 13:04
  and
• 13:04
  science
• 13:04
  and
• 13:05
  why
• 13:05
  so
• 13:05
  many
• 13:06
  people
• 13:06
  see
• 13:06
  them
• 13:06
  as
• 13:07
  polarizing
• 13:08
  in
• 13:08
  today's
• 13:08
  times.
• 13:09
  Sure.
• 13:10
  So
• 13:10
  I
• 13:11
  think
• 13:11
  right
• 13:11
  now
• 13:11
  there's
• 13:12
  several
• 13:12
  different
• 13:13
  reasons
• 13:14
  why
• 13:14
  folks
• 13:15
  see
• 13:15
  those
• 13:15
  things
• 13:15
  at
• 13:16
  odds.
• 13:16
  Traditionally
• 13:17
  there
• 13:17
  were
• 13:17
  concerns
• 13:18
  about,
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  I
• 13:20
  say
• 13:20
  traditionally,
• 13:22
  that's
• 13:22
  kind
• 13:22
  of
• 13:22
  a
• 13:22
  short
• 13:23
  horizon.
• 13:24
  In
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  past
• 13:26
  hundred
• 13:26
  years
• 13:27
  in
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  United
• 13:28
  States
• 13:28
  and
• 13:28
  in
• 13:29
  Western
• 13:29
  cultures,
• 13:30
  there's
• 13:30
  been
• 13:30
  this
• 13:30
  concern
• 13:31
  about
• 13:32
  whether
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  findings
• 13:34
  of
• 13:34
  science
• 13:35
  in
• 13:36
  relation
• 13:36
  to
• 13:36
  geology,
• 13:37
  evolutionary
• 13:38
  biology,
• 13:39
  cosmology,
• 13:40
  whether
• 13:40
  those
• 13:41
  conflict
• 13:41
  with
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  creation
• 13:43
  accounts
• 13:43
  in
• 13:43
  Genesis
• 13:44
  or
• 13:44
  not
• 13:44
  and
• 13:44
  other
• 13:45
  creation
• 13:45
  accounts
• 13:45
  in
• 13:46
  Scripture,
• 13:47
  and
• 13:47
  on
• 13:48
  questions
• 13:48
  like
• 13:48
  how
• 13:49
  old
• 13:49
  is
• 13:49
  the
• 13:49
  Earth
• 13:49
  and
• 13:50
  how
• 13:50
  old
• 13:50
  is
• 13:50
  the
• 13:50
  universe
• 13:51
  and
• 13:52
  what
• 13:52
  is
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  sequence
• 13:52
  in
• 13:53
  which
• 13:53
  things
• 13:53
  came
• 13:53
  to
• 13:54
  exist.
• 13:55
  So
• 13:57
  those
• 13:57
  are
• 13:58
  kind
• 13:58
  of
• 13:58
  long
• 13:58
  standing
• 13:58
  issues,
• 13:59
  again,
• 13:59
  in
• 13:59
  that,
• 14:00
  by
• 14:00
  long
• 14:00
  standing,
• 14:00
  kind
• 14:01
  of
• 14:01
  in
• 14:01
  that
• 14:01
  past
• 14:01
  hundred,
• 14:02
  150
• 14:02
  years
• 14:04
  that
• 14:05
  folks
• 14:06
  saw
• 14:06
  as
• 14:07
  a
• 14:07
  source
• 14:07
  of
• 14:08
  tension,
• 14:09
  conflict,
• 14:09
  or
• 14:10
  at
• 14:10
  least
• 14:11
  discrepancy.
• 14:12
  Much
• 14:12
  more
• 14:13
  recently,
• 14:13
  we've
• 14:13
  seen
• 14:14
  that
• 14:15
  conservative
• 14:16
  Christian
• 14:17
  communities
• 14:18
  took
• 14:19
  a
• 14:19
  very
• 14:19
  different
• 14:19
  approach
• 14:20
  to
• 14:22
  topics
• 14:22
  of
• 14:23
  climate
• 14:23
  change
• 14:24
  and
• 14:25
  public
• 14:26
  health
• 14:26
  responses
• 14:26
  to
• 14:27
  the
• 14:27
  pandemic
• 14:28
  than
• 14:28
  some
• 14:29
  other
• 14:29
  communities.
• 14:29
  And
• 14:30
  so
• 14:30
  there's
• 14:30
  just
• 14:30
  kind
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  that
• 14:31
  sense
• 14:31
  that
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  scientific
• 14:33
  world
• 14:33
  is
• 14:33
  trying
• 14:34
  to
• 14:35
  control
• 14:35
  us,
• 14:35
  take
• 14:36
  away
• 14:36
  our
• 14:36
  freedoms,
• 14:36
  take
• 14:36
  away
• 14:37
  our
• 14:37
  liberties,
• 14:38
  tell
• 14:38
  us
• 14:38
  how
• 14:38
  to
• 14:39
  live
• 14:39
  our
• 14:39
  lives
• 14:39
  at
• 14:40
  a
• 14:40
  very
• 14:40
  granular
• 14:40
  level,
• 14:41
  whether
• 14:41
  that's
• 14:42
  what
• 14:42
  kind
• 14:42
  of
• 14:42
  car
• 14:42
  to
• 14:42
  drive,
• 14:43
  what
• 14:43
  kind
• 14:43
  of
• 14:43
  food
• 14:43
  to
• 14:44
  eat,
• 14:44
  what
• 14:44
  to
• 14:44
  do
• 14:44
  with
• 14:44
  our
• 14:45
  trash,
• 14:46
  what
• 14:46
  to
• 14:46
  do
• 14:47
  with
• 14:48
  our
• 14:48
  faces,
• 14:48
  how
• 14:49
  to
• 14:49
  breathe.
• 14:50
  People
• 14:50
  feel
• 14:50
  like
• 14:52
  all
• 14:52
  of
• 14:52
  those
• 14:52
  things,
• 14:53
  they're
• 14:53
  being
• 14:53
  told
• 14:53
  what
• 14:53
  to
• 14:54
  do
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  how
• 14:54
  to
• 14:54
  do
• 14:54
  it
• 14:55
  and
• 14:55
  when
• 14:55
  to
• 14:55
  do
• 14:55
  it
• 14:55
  and
• 14:56
  where
• 14:56
  to
• 14:56
  do
• 14:56
  it
• 14:56
  and
• 14:56
  why
• 14:56
  to
• 14:57
  do
• 14:57
  it.
• 14:57
  And
• 14:58
  you
• 14:58
  know,
• 15:00
  there
• 15:00
  are
• 15:01
  a
• 15:01
  lot
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  reasons
• 15:01
  why
• 15:02
  you
• 15:02
  might
• 15:03
  object
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  that,
• 15:03
  but
• 15:04
  certainly
• 15:04
  it
• 15:05
  seems
• 15:05
  to
• 15:05
  have
• 15:05
  clustered
• 15:05
  around
• 15:07
  religious
• 15:07
  communities,
• 15:08
  probably,
• 15:08
  possibly
• 15:09
  also
• 15:10
  because
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  that
• 15:10
  long
• 15:10
  standing
• 15:11
  uncertainty
• 15:12
  about
• 15:12
  whether
• 15:13
  scientific
• 15:13
  institutions
• 15:14
  had
• 15:14
  their
• 15:15
  best
• 15:15
  interest
• 15:15
  in
• 15:15
  mind,
• 15:16
  and
• 15:16
  possibly
• 15:17
  also
• 15:17
  because
• 15:17
  some
• 15:18
  of
• 15:18
  the,
• 15:18
  you
• 15:18
  know,
• 15:19
  some
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  restrictions
• 15:19
  came
• 15:20
  around
• 15:20
  gathering
• 15:20
  in
• 15:20
  churches
• 15:21
  and
• 15:21
  so
• 15:21
  forth.
• 15:21
  Right.
• 15:22
  So
• 15:22
  has
• 15:22
  it,
• 15:23
  has
• 15:23
  it
• 15:23
  ever
• 15:23
  impacted
• 15:24
  your
• 15:24
  work
• 15:24
  personally?
• 15:26
  That's
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  good
• 15:26
  question.
• 15:28
  Yes
• 15:29
  and
• 15:29
  no.
• 15:29
  Right.
• 15:30
  It
• 15:30
  hasn't
• 15:31
  stopped
• 15:31
  me
• 15:31
  from
• 15:32
  doing
• 15:32
  my
• 15:33
  job
• 15:33
  or
• 15:33
  anything
• 15:33
  like
• 15:34
  that.
• 15:34
  It
• 15:34
  is
• 15:34
  certainly
• 15:35
  disheartening
• 15:36
  to
• 15:36
  see
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  people
• 15:39
  in
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  community
• 15:39
  that
• 15:40
  I
• 15:40
  felt
• 15:41
  like
• 15:41
  I
• 15:41
  grew
• 15:41
  up
• 15:41
  in,
• 15:41
  felt
• 15:41
  like
• 15:42
  I
• 15:42
  was
• 15:42
  part
• 15:42
  of,
• 15:43
  take
• 15:43
  a
• 15:43
  very
• 15:43
  different
• 15:43
  view
• 15:44
  of
• 15:44
  these
• 15:44
  things,
• 15:44
  despite
• 15:44
  the
• 15:45
  fact
• 15:45
  that
• 15:45
  I
• 15:45
  got
• 15:45
  into
• 15:46
  this
• 15:46
  line
• 15:46
  of
• 15:46
  work
• 15:46
  because
• 15:47
  of
• 15:47
  the
• 15:47
  values
• 15:48
  that
• 15:48
  were
• 15:48
  instilled
• 15:49
  in
• 15:49
  me
• 15:50
  during
• 15:50
  those
• 15:51
  formative
• 15:51
  years.
• 15:53
  In
• 15:53
  hindsight,
• 15:54
  it's
• 15:54
  interesting
• 15:54
  to
• 15:55
  think
• 15:55
  about
• 15:55
  the
• 15:56
  fact
• 15:56
  that
• 15:57
  when
• 15:57
  I
• 15:57
  told
• 15:57
  people
• 15:58
  that
• 15:58
  I
• 15:58
  wanted
• 15:58
  to
• 15:58
  get
• 15:59
  into
• 15:59
  public
• 15:59
  health
• 15:59
  and
• 16:00
  studying
• 16:01
  infectious
• 16:01
  diseases,
• 16:03
  sort
• 16:03
  of
• 16:03
  in
• 16:03
  that
• 16:04
  high
• 16:04
  school,
• 16:04
  pre
• 16:04
  college
• 16:05
  era,
• 16:06
  whenever
• 16:06
  I
• 16:07
  mentioned
• 16:07
  that
• 16:07
  to
• 16:07
  people
• 16:07
  in
• 16:07
  church,
• 16:08
  they're
• 16:08
  always
• 16:08
  like,
• 16:08
  why
• 16:08
  are
• 16:09
  you
• 16:09
  doing
• 16:09
  that?
• 16:09
  Why
• 16:09
  wouldn't
• 16:09
  you
• 16:10
  go
• 16:10
  cure
• 16:10
  cancer?
• 16:11
  So
• 16:12
  I
• 16:12
  don't
• 16:12
  know
• 16:12
  if
• 16:13
  there's
• 16:13
  anything
• 16:13
  to
• 16:13
  that
• 16:13
  that
• 16:14
  may
• 16:14
  have
• 16:14
  been
• 16:14
  just
• 16:14
  kind
• 16:14
  of
• 16:14
  a
• 16:15
  casual,
• 16:15
  like,
• 16:15
  I
• 16:15
  don't
• 16:16
  understand
• 16:16
  what
• 16:16
  you're
• 16:16
  talking
• 16:16
  about,
• 16:16
  but
• 16:16
  I
• 16:17
  know
• 16:17
  cancer.
• 16:17
  And
• 16:17
  so
• 16:18
  that
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  me
• 16:18
  that's
• 16:18
  important,
• 16:19
  or
• 16:19
  there
• 16:19
  might
• 16:20
  have
• 16:20
  been
• 16:20
  Something
• 16:20
  more
• 16:22
  substantial
• 16:23
  there
• 16:23
  as
• 16:23
  a
• 16:24
  kind
• 16:24
  of
• 16:24
  hint
• 16:24
  about
• 16:25
  how
• 16:26
  conservative
• 16:27
  Christian
• 16:28
  communities
• 16:28
  felt
• 16:29
  about
• 16:30
  public
• 16:30
  health
• 16:31
  and
• 16:31
  infectious
• 16:31
  disease
• 16:31
  prevention
• 16:32
  and
• 16:32
  so
• 16:32
  forth.
• 16:32
  Certainly
• 16:33
  discouraging
• 16:33
  at
• 16:34
  that
• 16:34
  point
• 16:34
  a
• 16:35
  little
• 16:35
  bit,
• 16:35
  and
• 16:35
  has
• 16:35
  only
• 16:36
  gotten
• 16:36
  more
• 16:36
  discouraging
• 16:37
  in
• 16:38
  recent
• 16:38
  years
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  see
• 16:39
  that
• 16:39
  kind
• 16:39
  of
• 16:39
  attitude.
• 16:41
  But
• 16:42
  it
• 16:43
  doesn't,
• 16:43
  so
• 16:43
  far,
• 16:43
  prevent
• 16:44
  me
• 16:44
  from
• 16:44
  doing
• 16:44
  work.
• 16:45
  That
• 16:45
  said,
• 16:46
  very
• 16:46
  recently,
• 16:48
  you
• 16:48
  know,
• 16:48
  through
• 16:49
  a
• 16:49
  chain
• 16:50
  of
• 16:50
  events,
• 16:51
  right.
• 16:51
  We've.
• 16:52
  We
• 16:52
  are
• 16:52
  having
• 16:53
  projects
• 16:53
  that
• 16:53
  work
• 16:54
  canceled
• 16:54
  and
• 16:54
  having
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  let
• 16:55
  employees
• 16:55
  go
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  having
• 16:56
  to
• 16:56
  see
• 16:57
  the
• 16:58
  public
• 16:58
  health
• 16:58
  departments
• 16:59
  that
• 16:59
  we
• 16:59
  work
• 16:59
  with
• 17:01
  change
• 17:02
  directions
• 17:02
  and
• 17:02
  shut
• 17:02
  down
• 17:03
  projects
• 17:03
  and
• 17:03
  let
• 17:04
  people
• 17:04
  go
• 17:04
  on
• 17:04
  their
• 17:04
  end
• 17:05
  as
• 17:05
  well,
• 17:05
  because
• 17:06
  we
• 17:06
  have,
• 17:07
  you
• 17:08
  know,
• 17:08
  made
• 17:08
  decisions
• 17:08
  at
• 17:08
  the
• 17:09
  national
• 17:09
  level
• 17:09
  about
• 17:10
  changes
• 17:11
  in
• 17:11
  priorities
• 17:11
  in
• 17:12
  public
• 17:12
  health.
• 17:13
  So
• 17:13
  in
• 17:13
  that
• 17:13
  sense,
• 17:14
  you
• 17:14
  know,
• 17:15
  and
• 17:15
  that
• 17:15
  has,
• 17:15
  you
• 17:15
  know,
• 17:16
  has
• 17:16
  a
• 17:16
  lot
• 17:16
  of
• 17:17
  religious
• 17:17
  motivations,
• 17:18
  or
• 17:18
  at
• 17:18
  least
• 17:18
  people
• 17:18
  are
• 17:18
  citing
• 17:19
  their
• 17:19
  religious
• 17:20
  beliefs
• 17:20
  for
• 17:21
  why
• 17:22
  they
• 17:22
  have
• 17:22
  those
• 17:22
  priorities.
• 17:23
  So,
• 17:24
  yeah,
• 17:24
  I
• 17:24
  guess
• 17:24
  in
• 17:24
  that
• 17:24
  sense,
• 17:25
  in
• 17:25
  a
• 17:25
  very,
• 17:25
  very
• 17:25
  recent
• 17:26
  sense,
• 17:26
  like
• 17:26
  in
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  past
• 17:27
  several
• 17:27
  weeks,
• 17:27
  it
• 17:27
  has
• 17:28
  started
• 17:28
  to
• 17:28
  have
• 17:28
  more
• 17:28
  of
• 17:28
  a
• 17:29
  tangible
• 17:29
  impact
• 17:29
  on
• 17:30
  my
• 17:30
  job.
• 17:31
  Yeah.
• 17:31
  I
• 17:32
  think
• 17:32
  all
• 17:32
  of
• 17:32
  those
• 17:33
  people
• 17:33
  just
• 17:33
  really
• 17:33
  thought
• 17:34
  that
• 17:34
  you
• 17:34
  could
• 17:34
  cure
• 17:35
  cancer
• 17:35
  if
• 17:36
  you
• 17:36
  felt
• 17:36
  like
• 17:36
  it.
• 17:36
  Yeah.
• 17:37
  Like,
• 17:38
  that's.
• 17:38
  To
• 17:38
  them,
• 17:38
  you
• 17:39
  were
• 17:39
  just
• 17:39
  saying
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  don't
• 17:39
  want
• 17:40
  to.
• 17:41
  I
• 17:41
  think
• 17:41
  that's
• 17:42
  what
• 17:42
  happens
• 17:42
  a
• 17:42
  lot.
• 17:42
  Of
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  time,
• 17:44
  anyway.
• 17:45
  I
• 17:45
  don't
• 17:45
  think
• 17:45
  that's
• 17:45
  it.
• 17:47
  But,
• 17:48
  you
• 17:49
  know,
• 17:49
  Andy's
• 17:49
  smart
• 17:49
  enough.
• 17:49
  He
• 17:50
  probably
• 17:50
  could
• 17:50
  if
• 17:50
  he
• 17:50
  had
• 17:50
  a
• 17:51
  little
• 17:51
  bit
• 17:51
  of
• 17:52
  free
• 17:52
  time.
• 17:52
  That's
• 17:52
  exactly
• 17:52
  what
• 17:53
  I'm
• 17:53
  saying.
• 17:53
  Yeah,
• 17:53
  that's
• 17:53
  true.
• 17:54
  That's
• 17:54
  a
• 17:54
  good
• 17:54
  point.
• 17:54
  Yeah.
• 17:55
  No,
• 17:57
  but
• 17:58
  more
• 17:58
  seriously,
• 17:58
  I
• 17:59
  think
• 17:59
  when
• 17:59
  we
• 17:59
  get
• 17:59
  at
• 18:00
  some
• 18:00
  of
• 18:00
  this
• 18:00
  tension,
• 18:02
  a
• 18:02
  lot
• 18:02
  of
• 18:02
  it,
• 18:02
  I
• 18:02
  think,
• 18:03
  goes
• 18:03
  back
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  the
• 18:03
  Scopes
• 18:04
  Monkey
• 18:04
  trial
• 18:04
  in
• 18:05
  the
• 18:05
  US
• 18:07
  which
• 18:07
  was
• 18:07
  all
• 18:08
  constructed
• 18:09
  for
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  sake
• 18:09
  of
• 18:09
  being
• 18:10
  polarizing,
• 18:10
  more
• 18:11
  or
• 18:11
  less.
• 18:11
  Like,
• 18:11
  if
• 18:11
  you
• 18:11
  actually
• 18:12
  look
• 18:12
  into
• 18:12
  it,
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  teacher
• 18:13
  even
• 18:13
  said,
• 18:13
  like,
• 18:14
  I'm
• 18:14
  not
• 18:14
  sure,
• 18:14
  I
• 18:15
  might
• 18:15
  have
• 18:15
  taught
• 18:15
  evolution.
• 18:16
  They
• 18:16
  just
• 18:16
  wanted
• 18:16
  to
• 18:17
  have
• 18:17
  a
• 18:17
  legal
• 18:17
  case
• 18:17
  about
• 18:18
  what
• 18:18
  we
• 18:18
  could
• 18:18
  or
• 18:19
  couldn't
• 18:19
  teach
• 18:19
  in
• 18:19
  schools.
• 18:19
  That
• 18:20
  that's
• 18:20
  all
• 18:20
  the
• 18:21
  whole
• 18:21
  reason
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  happened.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:23
  what's
• 18:23
  interesting
• 18:23
  is
• 18:23
  if
• 18:23
  you
• 18:23
  go
• 18:24
  back
• 18:24
  before
• 18:24
  the
• 18:25
  Scopes
• 18:25
  trial,
• 18:26
  even
• 18:26
  in
• 18:26
  America,
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  fundamentalist
• 18:28
  Christian
• 18:29
  documents,
• 18:30
  they're
• 18:30
  like
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  most
• 18:30
  conservative
• 18:31
  documents,
• 18:31
  like,
• 18:32
  Possible.
• 18:33
  Some
• 18:33
  of
• 18:33
  the
• 18:33
  authors
• 18:34
  there
• 18:34
  were
• 18:34
  Christian
• 18:34
  evolutionists.
• 18:36
  So
• 18:36
  it
• 18:36
  really
• 18:36
  wasn't
• 18:36
  until
• 18:37
  that
• 18:37
  legal
• 18:37
  case
• 18:37
  came
• 18:38
  up
• 18:39
  that
• 18:39
  some
• 18:39
  of
• 18:40
  this
• 18:40
  tension
• 18:40
  started
• 18:40
  being
• 18:40
  felt.
• 18:41
  So
• 18:41
  a
• 18:41
  lot
• 18:41
  of
• 18:41
  this
• 18:41
  is
• 18:41
  pretty
• 18:42
  recent.
• 18:42
  Like
• 18:42
  you
• 18:42
  mentioned,
• 18:43
  Andy.
• 18:44
  And
• 18:45
  then
• 18:45
  I
• 18:45
  think
• 18:45
  there's
• 18:46
  also
• 18:46
  something
• 18:46
  underpinning
• 18:47
  it
• 18:47
  a
• 18:48
  little
• 18:48
  bit
• 18:48
  further,
• 18:48
  where
• 18:49
  people,
• 18:49
  in
• 18:49
  their
• 18:50
  faith,
• 18:50
  interest
• 18:51
  in
• 18:51
  life
• 18:51
  in
• 18:51
  general,
• 18:51
  they
• 18:52
  want
• 18:52
  to
• 18:52
  just
• 18:52
  have
• 18:52
  solid,
• 18:53
  clear
• 18:53
  answers,
• 18:53
  and
• 18:54
  a
• 18:54
  lot
• 18:54
  of
• 18:54
  conservative
• 18:55
  pastors
• 18:55
  preach
• 18:55
  this
• 18:56
  kind
• 18:56
  of
• 18:57
  idea
• 18:57
  of
• 18:58
  the
• 18:58
  Bible
• 18:58
  where
• 18:58
  it
• 18:59
  is
• 18:59
  completely
• 19:00
  authoritative
• 19:00
  and
• 19:01
  completely
• 19:01
  literal,
• 19:03
  inerrant,
• 19:03
  you
• 19:03
  know,
• 19:03
  all
• 19:03
  that
• 19:04
  stuff.
• 19:04
  And
• 19:05
  they
• 19:05
  say
• 19:05
  this
• 19:05
  is
• 19:05
  the
• 19:05
  answer.
• 19:06
  It's
• 19:06
  all
• 19:06
  black
• 19:06
  and
• 19:07
  white.
• 19:07
  Whereas
• 19:08
  science
• 19:08
  doesn't
• 19:09
  do
• 19:09
  that,
• 19:09
  which
• 19:09
  I
• 19:09
  don't
• 19:10
  think
• 19:10
  faith
• 19:10
  does
• 19:10
  that
• 19:10
  either.
• 19:11
  But
• 19:11
  if
• 19:11
  you
• 19:11
  grew
• 19:11
  up
• 19:11
  in
• 19:11
  that
• 19:12
  kind
• 19:12
  of
• 19:12
  faith,
• 19:12
  you
• 19:12
  want
• 19:12
  everything
• 19:13
  to
• 19:13
  be
• 19:13
  that
• 19:13
  way.
• 19:14
  Science
• 19:14
  usually
• 19:14
  does
• 19:14
  this
• 19:15
  thing
• 19:15
  where,
• 19:15
  like,
• 19:15
  here's
• 19:15
  what
• 19:16
  we
• 19:16
  think
• 19:16
  right
• 19:16
  now,
• 19:16
  but
• 19:17
  we're
• 19:17
  going
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  keep
• 19:17
  testing
• 19:17
  it,
• 19:17
  and
• 19:18
  if
• 19:18
  it's
• 19:18
  wrong,
• 19:18
  we're
• 19:18
  going
• 19:18
  to
• 19:18
  say
• 19:19
  it's
• 19:19
  wrong
• 19:19
  and
• 19:19
  come
• 19:19
  up
• 19:19
  with
• 19:19
  a
• 19:20
  new
• 19:20
  hypothesis.
• 19:21
  And
• 19:21
  a
• 19:21
  lot
• 19:21
  of
• 19:21
  the
• 19:22
  times
• 19:22
  it
• 19:22
  comes
• 19:22
  up
• 19:22
  with
• 19:22
  stuff
• 19:22
  like,
• 19:23
  hey,
• 19:23
  a
• 19:23
  lot
• 19:23
  of
• 19:23
  what
• 19:23
  we've
• 19:24
  been
• 19:24
  doing
• 19:24
  is
• 19:24
  harmful
• 19:24
  to
• 19:24
  the
• 19:24
  earth.
• 19:25
  A
• 19:25
  lot
• 19:25
  of
• 19:25
  this
• 19:25
  is
• 19:25
  like.
• 19:25
  And
• 19:26
  people
• 19:26
  don't
• 19:26
  want
• 19:26
  to
• 19:26
  feel
• 19:26
  bad
• 19:27
  and
• 19:27
  people
• 19:27
  just
• 19:27
  want
• 19:27
  to
• 19:28
  clear
• 19:28
  answers.
• 19:28
  And
• 19:29
  that's
• 19:30
  just
• 19:30
  not
• 19:30
  how
• 19:30
  life
• 19:30
  works.
• 19:31
  So
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  think
• 19:31
  maybe
• 19:31
  it's
• 19:32
  less
• 19:33
  qualm
• 19:33
  against
• 19:34
  science
• 19:34
  and
• 19:34
  more
• 19:34
  qualm
• 19:34
  against
• 19:35
  reality.
• 19:36
  Perhaps,
• 19:37
  or
• 19:37
  at
• 19:37
  least
• 19:37
  complexity.
• 19:38
  Right.
• 19:38
  In
• 19:38
  the.
• 19:39
  In
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  ways
• 19:39
  in
• 19:39
  which
• 19:39
  reality
• 19:40
  is
• 19:41
  complex.
• 19:42
  Yeah,
• 19:42
  yeah,
• 19:42
  yeah,
• 19:42
  yeah.
• 19:43
  But
• 19:44
  speaking
• 19:44
  of
• 19:44
  that
• 19:44
  kind
• 19:45
  of
• 19:45
  polarization
• 19:45
  stuff,
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  think
• 19:46
  it's
• 19:46
  interesting
• 19:47
  because
• 19:47
  also
• 19:48
  on
• 19:48
  our
• 19:48
  other
• 19:48
  podcast,
• 19:48
  this
• 19:49
  Medic
• 19:49
  Ecology
• 19:49
  that
• 19:49
  all
• 19:50
  of
• 19:50
  us
• 19:50
  are
• 19:50
  a
• 19:50
  part
• 19:50
  of,
• 19:51
  we
• 19:51
  have
• 19:51
  a
• 19:51
  theme
• 19:52
  this
• 19:52
  year
• 19:52
  on
• 19:52
  polarization,
• 19:55
  and
• 19:55
  you
• 19:55
  contributed
• 19:56
  a
• 19:56
  lot
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  different
• 19:56
  episode
• 19:57
  ideas
• 19:57
  we've
• 19:57
  been
• 19:57
  doing
• 19:58
  over
• 19:58
  on
• 19:58
  that
• 19:59
  show
• 19:59
  this
• 19:59
  year,
• 19:59
  such
• 19:59
  as
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  Magic
• 20:00
  versus
• 20:01
  Science,
• 20:01
  Jackie
• 20:01
  Chan
• 20:02
  versus
• 20:02
  Bruce
• 20:02
  Lee,
• 20:04
  other
• 20:04
  ideas
• 20:04
  that
• 20:04
  haven't
• 20:05
  even
• 20:05
  been
• 20:05
  released
• 20:05
  yet.
• 20:07
  Would
• 20:07
  you
• 20:07
  mind
• 20:07
  telling
• 20:08
  our
• 20:08
  listeners
• 20:08
  a
• 20:08
  little
• 20:08
  bit
• 20:08
  more
• 20:09
  about
• 20:09
  that
• 20:10
  series
• 20:10
  and
• 20:10
  some
• 20:10
  of
• 20:10
  the
• 20:11
  ideas
• 20:11
  that
• 20:11
  you
• 20:11
  came
• 20:12
  up
• 20:12
  with
• 20:12
  regarding
• 20:13
  that?
• 20:13
  Sure.
• 20:15
  I
• 20:15
  think
• 20:15
  there
• 20:16
  is,
• 20:17
  in
• 20:18
  fandoms
• 20:19
  there's
• 20:19
  a
• 20:19
  long
• 20:19
  tradition
• 20:20
  of
• 20:20
  these
• 20:20
  kinds
• 20:20
  of
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  have
• 20:22
  to
• 20:22
  pick
• 20:22
  this
• 20:22
  or
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  have
• 20:22
  to
• 20:23
  pick
• 20:23
  that
• 20:23
  kind
• 20:23
  of
• 20:23
  thing.
• 20:23
  And
• 20:24
  I
• 20:24
  think
• 20:24
  it
• 20:24
  comes
• 20:25
  from
• 20:26
  a
• 20:26
  zero
• 20:27
  sum
• 20:27
  mindset
• 20:27
  that's
• 20:28
  very
• 20:28
  easy
• 20:29
  to
• 20:30
  adopt
• 20:31
  when
• 20:31
  you're
• 20:32
  perhaps
• 20:32
  younger.
• 20:33
  We
• 20:33
  associate
• 20:34
  a
• 20:34
  lot
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  these
• 20:34
  fandoms
• 20:35
  perhaps
• 20:35
  with
• 20:35
  young
• 20:35
  people.
• 20:36
  As
• 20:36
  we
• 20:36
  talked
• 20:36
  about
• 20:36
  before,
• 20:38
  people
• 20:38
  a
• 20:39
  certain
• 20:39
  age
• 20:39
  read
• 20:39
  X
• 20:39
  Men
• 20:40
  at
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  certain
• 20:40
  time
• 20:40
  in
• 20:40
  their
• 20:40
  life
• 20:41
  and
• 20:42
  not
• 20:42
  at
• 20:43
  other
• 20:43
  times.
• 20:43
  Or
• 20:43
  perhaps
• 20:46
  you've
• 20:46
  got
• 20:46
  your
• 20:47
  Star
• 20:47
  Treks
• 20:47
  versus
• 20:47
  your
• 20:48
  Star
• 20:48
  wars
• 20:48
  and,
• 20:49
  you
• 20:50
  know,
• 20:50
  Jackie
• 20:50
  Chan
• 20:51
  versus
• 20:51
  Bruce
• 20:51
  Lee.
• 20:51
  Right.
• 20:51
  A
• 20:51
  lot
• 20:52
  of
• 20:52
  these
• 20:52
  things,
• 20:52
  I
• 20:52
  feel
• 20:52
  like,
• 20:52
  come
• 20:53
  up
• 20:53
  among
• 20:54
  young
• 20:54
  people
• 20:55
  who
• 20:55
  are
• 20:55
  still
• 20:55
  trying
• 20:56
  to
• 20:56
  kind
• 20:56
  of
• 20:56
  figure
• 20:56
  out
• 20:56
  their
• 20:56
  place
• 20:56
  in
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  world,
• 20:57
  at
• 20:57
  least
• 20:57
  in
• 20:57
  the
• 20:58
  sense
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  feeling
• 20:58
  like
• 20:59
  you
• 20:59
  have
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  pick
• 20:59
  one
• 20:59
  or
• 21:00
  the
• 21:00
  other
• 21:00
  and
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  have
• 21:00
  to
• 21:00
  feel
• 21:01
  very
• 21:01
  strongly
• 21:01
  about
• 21:02
  your
• 21:02
  choice.
• 21:03
  Right.
• 21:03
  We
• 21:04
  can,
• 21:04
  we
• 21:04
  can
• 21:04
  all
• 21:04
  have
• 21:05
  conversations
• 21:05
  about
• 21:05
  the
• 21:06
  Relative
• 21:06
  merits
• 21:06
  of
• 21:06
  different
• 21:07
  things.
• 21:08
  And
• 21:08
  people
• 21:08
  approach
• 21:08
  that
• 21:09
  a
• 21:09
  lot
• 21:09
  of
• 21:09
  different
• 21:09
  ways.
• 21:09
  And,
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  know,
• 21:10
  nuance
• 21:11
  and
• 21:12
  relative
• 21:13
  values
• 21:13
  and
• 21:13
  priorities,
• 21:14
  you
• 21:14
  know,
• 21:14
  those
• 21:14
  are
• 21:14
  all
• 21:15
  perfectly
• 21:15
  good
• 21:16
  things
• 21:16
  to
• 21:16
  talk
• 21:16
  about.
• 21:17
  But
• 21:17
  I
• 21:17
  do
• 21:17
  think
• 21:18
  there
• 21:18
  is
• 21:18
  a
• 21:19
  certain
• 21:19
  kind
• 21:19
  of
• 21:19
  mindset
• 21:20
  that's
• 21:20
  perhaps
• 21:21
  an
• 21:21
  immature
• 21:21
  mindset,
• 21:22
  perhaps
• 21:22
  just
• 21:23
  haven't
• 21:23
  had
• 21:23
  a
• 21:23
  lot
• 21:23
  of
• 21:23
  opportunities
• 21:24
  to
• 21:24
  deal
• 21:24
  with
• 21:24
  complexity
• 21:25
  or
• 21:25
  nuance
• 21:26
  mindset.
• 21:27
  But
• 21:27
  that
• 21:28
  feels
• 21:29
  like
• 21:29
  people
• 21:29
  have
• 21:29
  to
• 21:30
  make
• 21:30
  a
• 21:30
  choice
• 21:31
  between
• 21:32
  one
• 21:32
  thing
• 21:32
  or
• 21:32
  the
• 21:33
  other
• 21:33
  and
• 21:33
  then
• 21:33
  feel
• 21:33
  very
• 21:34
  strongly
• 21:34
  about
• 21:34
  that
• 21:34
  and
• 21:35
  so
• 21:35
  very
• 21:35
  strongly
• 21:36
  against
• 21:36
  the
• 21:36
  other.
• 21:36
  And
• 21:37
  so
• 21:37
  I
• 21:37
  was
• 21:37
  just
• 21:37
  kind
• 21:37
  of
• 21:37
  reflecting
• 21:38
  on
• 21:38
  some
• 21:38
  of
• 21:38
  those
• 21:38
  things
• 21:38
  that
• 21:38
  I've
• 21:39
  come
• 21:39
  across.
• 21:39
  Magic
• 21:40
  and
• 21:40
  science
• 21:40
  being
• 21:41
  a
• 21:41
  big
• 21:41
  one
• 21:41
  that
• 21:42
  covers
• 21:42
  a
• 21:42
  lot
• 21:42
  of
• 21:42
  different
• 21:43
  categories.
• 21:44
  And
• 21:44
  to
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  point
• 21:45
  they'll
• 21:45
  even
• 21:45
  see
• 21:46
  characters
• 21:46
  within
• 21:47
  the
• 21:47
  stories
• 21:48
  sniping
• 21:48
  at
• 21:48
  each
• 21:49
  other
• 21:49
  about,
• 21:49
  well,
• 21:50
  I'm
• 21:50
  a
• 21:50
  scientist
• 21:50
  and
• 21:50
  so
• 21:50
  therefore
• 21:51
  all
• 21:51
  your
• 21:51
  magic
• 21:51
  nonsense
• 21:52
  is
• 21:52
  nonsense,
• 21:53
  or
• 21:54
  I
• 21:54
  am
• 21:55
  a
• 21:55
  wizard
• 21:55
  and
• 21:55
  I
• 21:56
  think
• 21:56
  your
• 21:56
  technology
• 21:56
  is
• 21:57
  awful
• 21:58
  and
• 21:59
  ruining
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  natural
• 22:00
  order
• 22:00
  of
• 22:00
  things
• 22:01
  and
• 22:01
  so
• 22:01
  forth.
• 22:02
  So
• 22:03
  that
• 22:03
  one's
• 22:03
  a
• 22:04
  fairly
• 22:04
  common
• 22:04
  one
• 22:05
  both
• 22:06
  inside
• 22:07
  and
• 22:07
  outside
• 22:07
  of
• 22:07
  stories.
• 22:09
  You
• 22:09
  know,
• 22:09
  as
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  talked
• 22:10
  about
• 22:10
  on
• 22:10
  the
• 22:10
  podcast,
• 22:11
  Jackie
• 22:12
  Chan
• 22:12
  vs
• 22:12
  Bruce
• 22:12
  Lee
• 22:13
  was
• 22:13
  something
• 22:13
  that
• 22:13
  I
• 22:14
  was
• 22:14
  confronted
• 22:14
  with
• 22:14
  in
• 22:15
  junior
• 22:15
  high.
• 22:15
  Right.
• 22:15
  That
• 22:16
  I
• 22:16
  had
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  in
• 22:17
  high
• 22:17
  school.
• 22:17
  Right.
• 22:18
  That
• 22:18
  there
• 22:18
  were
• 22:18
  some
• 22:18
  kids
• 22:18
  that
• 22:19
  were
• 22:19
  into
• 22:19
  one
• 22:19
  and
• 22:19
  some
• 22:19
  kids
• 22:20
  that
• 22:20
  were
• 22:20
  in
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  other
• 22:20
  and
• 22:20
  you
• 22:20
  had
• 22:21
  to
• 22:21
  choose
• 22:21
  and
• 22:22
  you
• 22:22
  couldn't
• 22:22
  fathom
• 22:23
  liking
• 22:23
  one
• 22:23
  or
• 22:23
  the
• 22:24
  other.
• 22:24
  The
• 22:24
  same
• 22:24
  kind
• 22:24
  of
• 22:25
  thing
• 22:25
  with
• 22:25
  Star
• 22:25
  Trek
• 22:25
  and
• 22:25
  Star
• 22:25
  wars,
• 22:27
  you
• 22:27
  know,
• 22:27
  and.
• 22:28
  Yeah,
• 22:28
  so
• 22:29
  just
• 22:29
  trying
• 22:29
  to
• 22:29
  kind
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  think
• 22:30
  about
• 22:30
  what
• 22:31
  I
• 22:31
  had
• 22:31
  encountered.
• 22:31
  But
• 22:32
  yeah,
• 22:32
  I
• 22:33
  actually
• 22:33
  don't
• 22:33
  find
• 22:34
  myself
• 22:34
  being
• 22:34
  pretty
• 22:35
  particularly
• 22:35
  strident
• 22:35
  on
• 22:36
  any
• 22:36
  of
• 22:36
  those
• 22:36
  topics.
• 22:38
  Perhaps
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  magic
• 22:38
  in
• 22:39
  science
• 22:39
  one
• 22:39
  is
• 22:39
  a
• 22:39
  little
• 22:39
  trickier
• 22:40
  because
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  have
• 22:42
  no
• 22:42
  problem
• 22:42
  with
• 22:42
  stories
• 22:43
  that
• 22:43
  use
• 22:44
  magic
• 22:44
  in
• 22:44
  interesting
• 22:45
  ways.
• 22:45
  It
• 22:46
  gets
• 22:46
  a
• 22:46
  little
• 22:46
  bit
• 22:46
  trickier
• 22:46
  when
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  talk
• 22:47
  about,
• 22:47
  well,
• 22:48
  what
• 22:49
  do
• 22:49
  we
• 22:49
  really
• 22:49
  mean
• 22:49
  by
• 22:49
  magic
• 22:49
  in
• 22:50
  the
• 22:50
  real
• 22:50
  world
• 22:50
  and
• 22:50
  so
• 22:50
  forth.
• 22:51
  I
• 22:51
  don't
• 22:51
  quite
• 22:52
  know
• 22:52
  what
• 22:52
  people
• 22:52
  mean
• 22:53
  by
• 22:53
  that
• 22:53
  all
• 22:53
  the
• 22:53
  time,
• 22:54
  but
• 22:55
  generally
• 22:55
  speaking,
• 22:56
  I
• 22:56
  think
• 22:57
  that
• 22:59
  it's
• 22:59
  more
• 22:59
  interesting
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  see
• 23:01
  the
• 23:01
  merits
• 23:01
  of
• 23:02
  various
• 23:02
  things
• 23:02
  and
• 23:03
  to
• 23:04
  find
• 23:04
  ways
• 23:05
  to.
• 23:06
  For
• 23:06
  them
• 23:06
  to
• 23:06
  complement
• 23:07
  each
• 23:07
  other
• 23:07
  rather
• 23:07
  than
• 23:08
  taking
• 23:08
  this
• 23:09
  kind
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  zero
• 23:09
  sum
• 23:09
  approach
• 23:10
  of
• 23:10
  anything
• 23:11
  that's
• 23:11
  good
• 23:11
  for
• 23:11
  me
• 23:12
  is
• 23:12
  bad
• 23:12
  for
• 23:12
  you
• 23:12
  and
• 23:12
  vice
• 23:13
  versa.
• 23:14
  Yeah,
• 23:14
  I
• 23:14
  think
• 23:14
  it's.
• 23:14
  I
• 23:15
  think
• 23:15
  it's
• 23:15
  just
• 23:15
  more
• 23:15
  fun
• 23:16
  when
• 23:16
  you're
• 23:16
  younger
• 23:16
  to
• 23:16
  like
• 23:17
  attach
• 23:17
  yourself
• 23:17
  to
• 23:18
  one
• 23:18
  side
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  a
• 23:19
  mostly
• 23:19
  pointless
• 23:19
  argument.
• 23:21
  Yeah.
• 23:21
  Then
• 23:21
  you
• 23:21
  just
• 23:21
  have
• 23:22
  a
• 23:22
  hot
• 23:22
  dog.
• 23:23
  Yeah,
• 23:24
  that'd
• 23:24
  be
• 23:24
  a
• 23:24
  perfect
• 23:25
  polarizing
• 23:25
  question.
• 23:27
  No.
• 23:27
  And.
• 23:28
  But
• 23:28
  all
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  things
• 23:29
  that
• 23:29
  Andy
• 23:29
  said
• 23:29
  is
• 23:29
  also
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  series,
• 23:31
  the
• 23:31
  flagship
• 23:31
  series
• 23:32
  for
• 23:32
  that
• 23:32
  theme
• 23:32
  over
• 23:33
  on
• 23:33
  systematic
• 23:33
  Ecology,
• 23:33
  we
• 23:33
  actually
• 23:34
  named
• 23:34
  Finding
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  Good.
• 23:35
  So
• 23:35
  what
• 23:35
  we're
• 23:35
  doing
• 23:36
  in
• 23:36
  this
• 23:36
  episode
• 23:36
  largely
• 23:37
  is
• 23:37
  picking
• 23:37
  a
• 23:37
  side
• 23:38
  and
• 23:38
  then
• 23:38
  talking
• 23:38
  about
• 23:38
  the
• 23:39
  merits
• 23:39
  of
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  other
• 23:39
  side,
• 23:40
  rather
• 23:40
  than
• 23:41
  just
• 23:41
  bolstering
• 23:41
  our
• 23:42
  own
• 23:43
  perspective
• 23:43
  kind
• 23:44
  of
• 23:44
  deal.
• 23:44
  That's
• 23:44
  kind
• 23:45
  of
• 23:45
  the
• 23:45
  goal.
• 23:45
  I
• 23:46
  think
• 23:46
  it's
• 23:46
  a
• 23:46
  good
• 23:46
  exercise,
• 23:47
  even
• 23:47
  if
• 23:47
  you're
• 23:47
  not
• 23:47
  into
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  nerdy
• 23:48
  stuff,
• 23:48
  because
• 23:48
  it
• 23:49
  helps
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  kind
• 23:49
  of
• 23:50
  understand
• 23:50
  better
• 23:51
  other
• 23:51
  points
• 23:51
  of
• 23:52
  views
• 23:52
  and
• 23:53
  care
• 23:53
  about
• 23:54
  what
• 23:54
  other
• 23:54
  people
• 23:54
  have
• 23:54
  to
• 23:54
  say.
• 23:55
  Which
• 23:55
  is
• 23:55
  good
• 23:56
  for
• 23:56
  church
• 23:57
  unity,
• 23:57
  perhaps,
• 23:57
  too.
• 23:58
  Yeah,
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  think
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  do.
• 24:00
  I
• 24:00
  think
• 24:00
  magic
• 24:01
  and
• 24:01
  science
• 24:01
  is
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  particularly.
• 24:02
  One,
• 24:02
  like,
• 24:03
  particularly
• 24:03
  interesting
• 24:04
  one.
• 24:04
  Yeah.
• 24:05
  Because
• 24:06
  it
• 24:06
  seems
• 24:06
  to
• 24:06
  get
• 24:07
  brought
• 24:07
  up
• 24:07
  in
• 24:07
  media
• 24:07
  a
• 24:08
  lot
• 24:08
  recently.
• 24:08
  And
• 24:09
  like,
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  got
• 24:09
  Reed
• 24:10
  Richards,
• 24:10
  and
• 24:10
  he
• 24:10
  just
• 24:11
  blatantly
• 24:11
  doesn't
• 24:12
  believe
• 24:12
  in
• 24:12
  magic.
• 24:12
  He's
• 24:13
  one
• 24:13
  of
• 24:13
  the
• 24:13
  smartest
• 24:13
  people,
• 24:14
  friends
• 24:14
  with
• 24:15
  the
• 24:15
  Wizards.
• 24:16
  Yeah,
• 24:16
  right.
• 24:17
  Has
• 24:17
  met
• 24:17
  actual
• 24:18
  vampires
• 24:18
  and
• 24:18
  was.
• 24:19
  Was
• 24:19
  questioning
• 24:20
  whether
• 24:20
  vampires
• 24:21
  exist
• 24:21
  in
• 24:21
  the.
• 24:22
  The
• 24:22
  blood
• 24:22
  Untapped
• 24:23
  event.
• 24:23
  It's
• 24:23
  like
• 24:23
  a.
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  feel
• 24:24
  like
• 24:24
  we've
• 24:24
  taken
• 24:24
  this
• 24:25
  one
• 24:25
  step
• 24:25
  too
• 24:25
  far.
• 24:26
  Yeah,
• 24:27
  it's
• 24:27
  so
• 24:27
  funny.
• 24:28
  But
• 24:29
  that's
• 24:29
  not
• 24:29
  what
• 24:29
  we're
• 24:29
  here
• 24:30
  for.
• 24:30
  We're
• 24:30
  here
• 24:30
  for
• 24:30
  the
• 24:30
  job
• 24:31
  fair.
• 24:31
  So,
• 24:33
  Andy,
• 24:33
  what
• 24:33
  are
• 24:33
  some
• 24:34
  things
• 24:34
  that
• 24:34
  are
• 24:34
  normal
• 24:35
  in
• 24:35
  your
• 24:35
  occupation
• 24:36
  now
• 24:36
  that
• 24:36
  others
• 24:36
  might
• 24:37
  not
• 24:37
  often
• 24:37
  think
• 24:38
  about?
• 24:39
  For
• 24:39
  example,
• 24:40
  you
• 24:40
  know,
• 24:40
  we.
• 24:40
  Josh
• 24:41
  and
• 24:41
  I
• 24:41
  both
• 24:41
  work
• 24:41
  in
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  restaurant.
• 24:42
  We've
• 24:43
  got
• 24:43
  front
• 24:43
  of
• 24:44
  the
• 24:44
  house
• 24:44
  versus
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  back
• 24:45
  of
• 24:45
  the
• 24:45
  house,
• 24:46
  opening
• 24:47
  shift
• 24:47
  versus
• 24:47
  night
• 24:47
  shift.
• 24:48
  You
• 24:48
  know,
• 24:48
  we've
• 24:48
  got
• 24:49
  these
• 24:49
  rifts
• 24:50
  that
• 24:50
  people
• 24:50
  might
• 24:50
  not
• 24:50
  often
• 24:51
  think
• 24:51
  about.
• 24:52
  You
• 24:52
  know,
• 24:52
  when
• 24:53
  customers
• 24:53
  come
• 24:53
  in
• 24:54
  at
• 24:54
  night
• 24:54
  and
• 24:54
  say,
• 24:55
  why
• 24:55
  don't
• 24:55
  you
• 24:55
  have
• 24:55
  this?
• 24:56
  A
• 24:56
  lot
• 24:56
  of
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  times
• 24:57
  the
• 24:57
  answer
• 24:57
  they'll
• 24:57
  get
• 24:57
  is
• 24:58
  because
• 24:58
  they
• 24:59
  didn't
• 24:59
  do
• 24:59
  it
• 24:59
  in
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  morning.
• 25:00
  But
• 25:00
  is
• 25:01
  there
• 25:01
  anything
• 25:01
  like
• 25:01
  that
• 25:01
  for
• 25:02
  you
• 25:03
  that
• 25:03
  we
• 25:03
  might
• 25:03
  not
• 25:03
  think
• 25:04
  about?
• 25:04
  That's
• 25:05
  a
• 25:05
  good
• 25:05
  question.
• 25:06
  Again,
• 25:06
  I
• 25:06
  suspect
• 25:07
  that
• 25:07
  people
• 25:07
  have
• 25:08
  learned
• 25:08
  way
• 25:09
  more
• 25:09
  about
• 25:09
  public
• 25:09
  health
• 25:09
  in
• 25:10
  the
• 25:10
  past
• 25:10
  five
• 25:10
  years
• 25:10
  than
• 25:11
  they
• 25:11
  ever
• 25:11
  wanted
• 25:11
  to
• 25:11
  know.
• 25:12
  And
• 25:12
  so
• 25:12
  it's
• 25:13
  maybe
• 25:13
  a
• 25:13
  little
• 25:13
  bit
• 25:13
  harder
• 25:13
  to
• 25:13
  think
• 25:14
  of
• 25:14
  what
• 25:14
  people
• 25:15
  don't
• 25:15
  know
• 25:16
  or
• 25:16
  aren't
• 25:16
  familiar
• 25:16
  with.
• 25:18
  You
• 25:18
  know,
• 25:18
  I
• 25:18
  think
• 25:19
  people
• 25:19
  might
• 25:19
  be
• 25:19
  surprised
• 25:20
  to
• 25:21
  see
• 25:21
  and
• 25:21
  to
• 25:21
  know
• 25:22
  how
• 25:22
  much
• 25:23
  public
• 25:24
  health
• 25:24
  is
• 25:25
  a
• 25:25
  very.
• 25:26
  The
• 25:26
  word
• 25:27
  that
• 25:27
  they
• 25:27
  like
• 25:27
  to
• 25:28
  use
• 25:28
  in
• 25:28
  the
• 25:28
  public
• 25:28
  health
• 25:28
  community
• 25:29
  is
• 25:29
  siloed
• 25:30
  activity.
• 25:31
  Right.
• 25:32
  So
• 25:32
  people
• 25:32
  are
• 25:33
  in
• 25:33
  their
• 25:33
  different.
• 25:33
  Their
• 25:33
  different
• 25:34
  silos,
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  they
• 25:34
  don't
• 25:35
  really
• 25:35
  get
• 25:35
  out
• 25:35
  of
• 25:36
  those
• 25:36
  silos.
• 25:38
  So
• 25:38
  if,
• 25:39
  you
• 25:39
  know,
• 25:39
  a
• 25:39
  silo
• 25:40
  might
• 25:40
  cover
• 25:41
  a
• 25:41
  particular
• 25:42
  area
• 25:43
  of
• 25:43
  public
• 25:43
  health,
• 25:43
  like
• 25:44
  chronic
• 25:44
  disease
• 25:44
  or
• 25:45
  a
• 25:45
  specific
• 25:45
  chronic
• 25:46
  disease
• 25:46
  or
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  specific
• 25:46
  collection
• 25:47
  of
• 25:47
  chronic
• 25:47
  diseases,
• 25:48
  infectious
• 25:49
  diseases,
• 25:49
  sexually
• 25:50
  transmitted
• 25:50
  infections,
• 25:52
  environmental
• 25:53
  health,
• 25:53
  occupational
• 25:54
  health,
• 25:55
  workplace
• 25:55
  exposures,
• 25:57
  the
• 25:57
  actual
• 25:58
  ways
• 25:58
  that
• 25:58
  things
• 25:58
  break
• 25:59
  down
• 25:59
  might
• 25:59
  vary
• 25:59
  a
• 25:59
  Little
• 25:59
  bit
• 26:00
  from
• 26:00
  health
• 26:00
  department
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  health
• 26:01
  department,
• 26:02
  but
• 26:02
  there
• 26:02
  are
• 26:02
  some
• 26:02
  pretty
• 26:03
  traditional
• 26:03
  ones.
• 26:04
  And
• 26:04
  so
• 26:05
  you
• 26:06
  might
• 26:06
  have
• 26:06
  folks
• 26:06
  that
• 26:07
  work
• 26:07
  at
• 26:07
  your
• 26:07
  state
• 26:08
  health
• 26:08
  department
• 26:09
  who
• 26:09
  would
• 26:09
  physically
• 26:10
  sit
• 26:10
  next
• 26:10
  to
• 26:10
  each
• 26:10
  other,
• 26:11
  Their
• 26:11
  cubicles
• 26:12
  are
• 26:12
  connected
• 26:12
  to,
• 26:14
  are
• 26:14
  attached
• 26:14
  to
• 26:15
  each
• 26:15
  other,
• 26:15
  and
• 26:16
  they
• 26:16
  might
• 26:16
  never
• 26:17
  really
• 26:17
  have
• 26:17
  occasion
• 26:18
  to
• 26:18
  interact
• 26:19
  professionally
• 26:20
  because
• 26:21
  they're
• 26:21
  working
• 26:21
  in
• 26:22
  different
• 26:23
  domains,
• 26:23
  right?
• 26:23
  One
• 26:24
  might
• 26:24
  be
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  chronic
• 26:24
  disease
• 26:24
  person,
• 26:25
  another
• 26:25
  might
• 26:25
  be
• 26:25
  an
• 26:25
  infectious
• 26:26
  disease
• 26:26
  person.
• 26:27
  They
• 26:28
  might
• 26:28
  interact
• 26:28
  socially.
• 26:29
  It's
• 26:29
  not
• 26:29
  that
• 26:30
  they're
• 26:30
  not
• 26:31
  nice
• 26:32
  to
• 26:32
  each
• 26:32
  other,
• 26:32
  polite
• 26:33
  to
• 26:33
  each
• 26:33
  other,
• 26:33
  but
• 26:33
  they
• 26:33
  just
• 26:33
  have
• 26:33
  no
• 26:34
  reason
• 26:34
  to
• 26:34
  interact
• 26:35
  professionally.
• 26:36
  Whereas
• 26:36
  they
• 26:36
  might
• 26:36
  work
• 26:37
  very
• 26:37
  closely
• 26:38
  with
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  person
• 26:39
  in
• 26:39
  the
• 26:39
  next
• 26:39
  state
• 26:40
  over
• 26:40
  who
• 26:40
  is
• 26:41
  in
• 26:41
  their
• 26:41
  same
• 26:41
  state
• 26:42
  silo
• 26:42
  who
• 26:42
  does
• 26:42
  the
• 26:42
  same
• 26:43
  works
• 26:43
  on
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  same
• 26:43
  disease
• 26:44
  that
• 26:44
  they
• 26:44
  do.
• 26:45
  And
• 26:45
  so
• 26:45
  they
• 26:45
  know
• 26:46
  exactly
• 26:46
  what
• 26:46
  that
• 26:46
  other
• 26:46
  person
• 26:47
  is
• 26:47
  doing,
• 26:47
  even
• 26:47
  though
• 26:47
  they're
• 26:48
  several
• 26:48
  hundred
• 26:48
  miles
• 26:48
  away,
• 26:49
  but
• 26:49
  they
• 26:50
  don't
• 26:50
  really
• 26:50
  know
• 26:50
  what's
• 26:50
  going
• 26:51
  on
• 26:51
  in
• 26:51
  the
• 26:51
  cubicle
• 26:52
  next
• 26:52
  to
• 26:52
  them.
• 26:53
  The
• 26:54
  one
• 26:54
  that
• 26:54
  I
• 26:55
  was
• 26:55
  most
• 26:55
  surprised
• 26:56
  by,
• 26:56
  I
• 26:56
  mean,
• 26:56
  I
• 26:56
  had
• 26:56
  some
• 26:56
  notion
• 26:57
  of
• 26:57
  that
• 26:57
  going
• 26:58
  into
• 26:58
  this
• 26:58
  because
• 26:58
  I
• 26:59
  had
• 26:59
  public
• 26:59
  health
• 26:59
  training,
• 27:00
  and
• 27:00
  I
• 27:00
  have
• 27:00
  some
• 27:01
  notion
• 27:01
  of
• 27:01
  it
• 27:01
  from
• 27:02
  working
• 27:02
  here.
• 27:02
  But
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  one
• 27:03
  that
• 27:04
  I
• 27:04
  came
• 27:04
  across
• 27:04
  about
• 27:04
  10
• 27:04
  years
• 27:05
  ago
• 27:05
  that
• 27:05
  I
• 27:05
  was
• 27:05
  really
• 27:05
  surprised
• 27:06
  by
• 27:06
  was
• 27:07
  there
• 27:07
  are
• 27:07
  folks
• 27:08
  in
• 27:08
  public
• 27:08
  health
• 27:08
  who
• 27:08
  work
• 27:08
  on
• 27:09
  drug
• 27:09
  overdoses.
• 27:11
  But
• 27:11
  drug
• 27:11
  overdoses
• 27:12
  actually
• 27:13
  split
• 27:13
  into
• 27:14
  two
• 27:14
  very
• 27:15
  different
• 27:15
  silos
• 27:17
  that
• 27:18
  don't
• 27:18
  interact
• 27:19
  very
• 27:20
  often.
• 27:21
  One
• 27:21
  are.
• 27:22
  And
• 27:22
  the
• 27:23
  dividing
• 27:23
  line
• 27:23
  is
• 27:23
  intentional
• 27:24
  versus
• 27:24
  unintentional.
• 27:25
  So
• 27:26
  there
• 27:26
  are
• 27:26
  folks
• 27:27
  who
• 27:27
  are
• 27:27
  concerned
• 27:27
  about
• 27:27
  intentional
• 27:28
  overdoses
• 27:28
  that
• 27:29
  are
• 27:29
  essentially
• 27:29
  suicide
• 27:30
  attempts.
• 27:30
  And
• 27:31
  so
• 27:31
  that
• 27:31
  falls
• 27:31
  under
• 27:32
  kind
• 27:32
  of
• 27:32
  mental
• 27:32
  health
• 27:32
  or
• 27:33
  behavioral
• 27:33
  health
• 27:33
  or
• 27:33
  something
• 27:34
  like
• 27:34
  that.
• 27:36
  And
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  unintentional
• 27:38
  ones
• 27:38
  are
• 27:38
  considered,
• 27:38
  like,
• 27:39
  a
• 27:39
  public
• 27:39
  safety
• 27:39
  issue.
• 27:40
  And
• 27:40
  so
• 27:40
  they
• 27:41
  fall
• 27:41
  under
• 27:41
  an
• 27:41
  entirely
• 27:42
  different
• 27:43
  category,
• 27:44
  at
• 27:44
  least
• 27:44
  in
• 27:44
  some
• 27:44
  departments
• 27:45
  of
• 27:45
  public
• 27:45
  health.
• 27:46
  So
• 27:46
  that
• 27:46
  was
• 27:46
  a
• 27:47
  challenge
• 27:47
  for
• 27:47
  us
• 27:47
  when
• 27:47
  we
• 27:47
  started
• 27:47
  working
• 27:48
  on
• 27:48
  drug
• 27:48
  overdoses
• 27:49
  with
• 27:49
  our
• 27:49
  data,
• 27:50
  was
• 27:50
  trying
• 27:50
  to
• 27:50
  figure
• 27:51
  out.
• 27:51
  Well,
• 27:51
  when
• 27:51
  people
• 27:51
  come
• 27:51
  in,
• 27:52
  they're
• 27:52
  not
• 27:52
  exactly
• 27:53
  forthcoming
• 27:54
  about
• 27:54
  whether
• 27:54
  they
• 27:54
  intended
• 27:55
  to
• 27:55
  overdose
• 27:55
  or
• 27:55
  not.
• 27:55
  In
• 27:56
  fact,
• 27:56
  they
• 27:56
  may
• 27:56
  not
• 27:56
  even
• 27:56
  be
• 27:57
  conscious
• 27:57
  and
• 27:57
  forthcoming
• 27:58
  at
• 27:58
  all
• 27:58
  about
• 27:58
  their
• 27:58
  situation.
• 28:00
  So
• 28:00
  how
• 28:00
  do
• 28:00
  we
• 28:01
  differentiate
• 28:01
  between
• 28:01
  those
• 28:02
  two
• 28:02
  things?
• 28:02
  But
• 28:02
  that
• 28:02
  was
• 28:02
  an
• 28:03
  important
• 28:03
  priority
• 28:03
  to
• 28:03
  those
• 28:04
  folks
• 28:04
  because
• 28:04
  while
• 28:04
  I
• 28:05
  work
• 28:05
  on
• 28:06
  this
• 28:06
  particular
• 28:06
  kind
• 28:06
  of
• 28:07
  drug
• 28:07
  overdose,
• 28:08
  and
• 28:08
  it,
• 28:08
  you
• 28:09
  know,
• 28:09
  and
• 28:09
  it's
• 28:09
  not
• 28:09
  by
• 28:09
  substance,
• 28:10
  it's
• 28:10
  by
• 28:11
  what
• 28:11
  the
• 28:11
  person's
• 28:12
  intent
• 28:12
  was.
• 28:12
  Yeah,
• 28:14
  man,
• 28:16
  crazy
• 28:16
  stuff.
• 28:16
  But
• 28:18
  I.
• 28:19
  We
• 28:19
  also
• 28:19
  want
• 28:19
  to
• 28:19
  ask
• 28:20
  just
• 28:20
  like,
• 28:21
  about
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  language
• 28:22
  you.
• 28:22
  So,
• 28:22
  like,
• 28:22
  whenever
• 28:23
  we're
• 28:23
  trying
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  get
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  understand
• 28:23
  different.
• 28:24
  Because
• 28:24
  there's
• 28:24
  like,
• 28:24
  all
• 28:25
  these
• 28:25
  different
• 28:25
  worlds,
• 28:25
  even
• 28:25
  within
• 28:26
  our
• 28:26
  own
• 28:26
  communities,
• 28:27
  because
• 28:28
  people
• 28:28
  live
• 28:28
  different
• 28:29
  lives
• 28:29
  at
• 28:29
  work
• 28:29
  than
• 28:29
  at
• 28:30
  home
• 28:30
  sometimes.
• 28:31
  And
• 28:31
  we
• 28:32
  want
• 28:32
  to
• 28:32
  ask
• 28:32
  like,
• 28:32
  is
• 28:33
  there
• 28:33
  any
• 28:33
  different
• 28:33
  language
• 28:34
  that's
• 28:34
  unique
• 28:35
  to
• 28:35
  your
• 28:35
  profession?
• 28:36
  So
• 28:36
  like
• 28:36
  when
• 28:36
  I,
• 28:36
  when
• 28:37
  I
• 28:37
  worked
• 28:37
  for
• 28:37
  Shutterfly,
• 28:38
  you
• 28:38
  know,
• 28:38
  is
• 28:39
  image
• 28:40
  comp
• 28:40
  validation.
• 28:41
  You
• 28:41
  know,
• 28:42
  we
• 28:42
  kind
• 28:42
  of
• 28:42
  said
• 28:42
  this
• 28:42
  stuff
• 28:43
  all
• 28:43
  the
• 28:43
  time.
• 28:43
  Whereas
• 28:43
  like
• 28:43
  in
• 28:44
  real
• 28:44
  world
• 28:44
  we
• 28:44
  hear
• 28:44
  about
• 28:45
  image
• 28:45
  composition.
• 28:45
  Like
• 28:46
  what?
• 28:46
  Or
• 28:46
  you
• 28:46
  say
• 28:47
  validation,
• 28:47
  it's
• 28:47
  like,
• 28:47
  yep,
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  image
• 28:48
  is
• 28:48
  there.
• 28:48
  What
• 28:48
  do
• 28:49
  you,
• 28:49
  what
• 28:49
  do
• 28:49
  you
• 28:49
  mean?
• 28:51
  And
• 28:52
  even,
• 28:52
  you
• 28:52
  know,
• 28:53
  I
• 28:53
  won't
• 28:53
  get
• 28:53
  into
• 28:54
  it,
• 28:54
  but
• 28:54
  there
• 28:54
  was
• 28:54
  even
• 28:54
  some,
• 28:55
  some
• 28:55
  racial
• 28:55
  stuff
• 28:55
  because
• 28:55
  like
• 28:56
  you,
• 28:56
  you
• 28:56
  knew
• 28:56
  when
• 28:57
  certain
• 28:57
  colored
• 28:58
  people
• 28:58
  were
• 28:58
  up.
• 28:59
  Photo
• 28:59
  editing
• 29:00
  technology
• 29:01
  isn't
• 29:01
  as
• 29:02
  geared
• 29:02
  towards
• 29:03
  some
• 29:03
  people
• 29:03
  groups
• 29:03
  than
• 29:03
  other
• 29:04
  people
• 29:04
  groups.
• 29:05
  So
• 29:05
  yeah,
• 29:06
  you
• 29:06
  had
• 29:06
  a
• 29:06
  lot
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  language
• 29:06
  that
• 29:06
  you're
• 29:07
  trying
• 29:07
  to
• 29:07
  like
• 29:07
  communicate
• 29:08
  this
• 29:08
  stuff.
• 29:08
  Is
• 29:08
  there
• 29:08
  anything
• 29:09
  unique
• 29:09
  in
• 29:09
  the
• 29:10
  language
• 29:10
  for
• 29:11
  your
• 29:11
  job
• 29:11
  that
• 29:11
  maybe
• 29:12
  isn't
• 29:12
  normal
• 29:13
  language
• 29:13
  for
• 29:13
  everybody
• 29:13
  else?
• 29:14
  Yeah,
• 29:14
  that's
• 29:15
  a
• 29:15
  good
• 29:15
  question.
• 29:15
  The
• 29:16
  first
• 29:16
  things
• 29:16
  that
• 29:16
  are
• 29:16
  coming
• 29:16
  to
• 29:17
  mind
• 29:17
  are
• 29:17
  more,
• 29:17
  because
• 29:18
  we're
• 29:18
  a
• 29:18
  software
• 29:18
  company
• 29:19
  and
• 29:19
  so
• 29:19
  there
• 29:19
  some
• 29:19
  of
• 29:20
  the
• 29:20
  jargon
• 29:20
  from
• 29:20
  the
• 29:20
  software
• 29:21
  engineering
• 29:22
  world.
• 29:23
  So
• 29:23
  things
• 29:23
  like
• 29:24
  Sprints,
• 29:26
  there
• 29:26
  are
• 29:26
  different
• 29:26
  ways,
• 29:26
  different
• 29:27
  philosophies
• 29:27
  and
• 29:27
  different
• 29:27
  ways
• 29:28
  to
• 29:28
  organize
• 29:29
  how
• 29:29
  developers
• 29:30
  do
• 29:30
  their
• 29:30
  work.
• 29:31
  And
• 29:32
  one
• 29:33
  method
• 29:33
  is
• 29:33
  called
• 29:33
  the
• 29:33
  Agile
• 29:34
  method.
• 29:34
  And
• 29:34
  so
• 29:35
  development
• 29:36
  efforts
• 29:36
  are
• 29:36
  organized
• 29:37
  into
• 29:37
  Sprints
• 29:38
  and
• 29:39
  nobody's
• 29:40
  actually
• 29:40
  running.
• 29:40
  They're
• 29:41
  sitting
• 29:41
  at
• 29:41
  their
• 29:41
  desk
• 29:41
  typing.
• 29:42
  Just
• 29:42
  as
• 29:42
  you
• 29:43
  might
• 29:43
  imagine
• 29:43
  software
• 29:44
  developers
• 29:44
  do.
• 29:45
  But
• 29:45
  they
• 29:46
  are
• 29:46
  sprinting
• 29:46
  towards
• 29:47
  a
• 29:48
  deadline.
• 29:48
  Essentially.
• 29:49
  They're
• 29:49
  trying
• 29:49
  to
• 29:49
  work
• 29:50
  in
• 29:50
  short,
• 29:50
  fast
• 29:51
  bursts
• 29:51
  of
• 29:52
  writing
• 29:52
  code.
• 29:52
  Rather
• 29:52
  than
• 29:53
  we're
• 29:53
  going
• 29:53
  to
• 29:53
  spend
• 29:54
  six
• 29:54
  months
• 29:54
  on
• 29:54
  this
• 29:54
  project
• 29:55
  or
• 29:55
  you
• 29:55
  know,
• 29:55
  it's
• 29:55
  more
• 29:56
  like,
• 29:56
  let's
• 29:56
  spend
• 29:56
  six
• 29:56
  days
• 29:57
  or
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  couple
• 29:57
  weeks.
• 29:58
  Yeah.
• 30:00
  What
• 30:01
  else?
• 30:01
  Trying
• 30:02
  to
• 30:02
  think
• 30:02
  if
• 30:02
  there's
• 30:02
  any
• 30:03
  kind
• 30:03
  of
• 30:03
  public
• 30:03
  health.
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  mean,
• 30:04
  like,
• 30:04
  you
• 30:04
  know,
• 30:04
  we
• 30:04
  talked
• 30:05
  about
• 30:05
  silos,
• 30:05
  right?
• 30:05
  So
• 30:05
  those,
• 30:06
  you
• 30:06
  know,
• 30:07
  it's
• 30:07
  a
• 30:07
  metaphor
• 30:07
  from
• 30:07
  farming.
• 30:08
  It's
• 30:08
  not
• 30:08
  the
• 30:08
  physical
• 30:08
  object,
• 30:09
  but
• 30:09
  I
• 30:09
  think
• 30:09
  the,
• 30:10
  the
• 30:11
  concept
• 30:12
  translates
• 30:12
  pretty
• 30:13
  clearly.
• 30:15
  I
• 30:15
  mean
• 30:15
  there's
• 30:15
  certainly
• 30:16
  all
• 30:16
  kinds
• 30:16
  of
• 30:17
  disease
• 30:18
  terminology,
• 30:20
  right?
• 30:20
  The
• 30:21
  med,
• 30:21
  you
• 30:21
  know,
• 30:21
  the
• 30:21
  medical
• 30:21
  terminology,
• 30:23
  you
• 30:23
  know,
• 30:23
  there's
• 30:24
  all
• 30:24
  kinds
• 30:24
  of
• 30:25
  lingo
• 30:26
  there,
• 30:26
  technical
• 30:27
  terms,
• 30:27
  so
• 30:27
  forth.
• 30:27
  I'm
• 30:28
  always
• 30:28
  fascinated
• 30:28
  by.
• 30:29
  We
• 30:29
  have
• 30:31
  in
• 30:31
  the
• 30:32
  English
• 30:32
  language
• 30:32
  there's
• 30:32
  a
• 30:32
  lot
• 30:33
  of
• 30:33
  medical
• 30:33
  terms
• 30:33
  that
• 30:33
  have
• 30:34
  both
• 30:34
  a
• 30:34
  Latin
• 30:35
  derived
• 30:35
  version
• 30:36
  and
• 30:36
  a
• 30:36
  Greek
• 30:36
  derived
• 30:37
  version.
• 30:37
  And
• 30:38
  it's
• 30:38
  interesting
• 30:38
  to
• 30:38
  see
• 30:39
  which
• 30:39
  communities
• 30:39
  use
• 30:40
  which
• 30:40
  one
• 30:40
  versus
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  other.
• 30:41
  So
• 30:42
  things
• 30:42
  like
• 30:42
  adrenaline
• 30:43
  versus
• 30:43
  epinephrine,
• 30:44
  that's
• 30:45
  Latin
• 30:45
  versus
• 30:45
  Greek
• 30:46
  for,
• 30:46
  you
• 30:47
  know,
• 30:47
  above
• 30:47
  your
• 30:47
  kidney.
• 30:50
  Oh,
• 30:50
  and
• 30:50
  the
• 30:50
  other
• 30:51
  one,
• 30:51
  since
• 30:51
  we're
• 30:51
  talking
• 30:51
  about
• 30:51
  drug
• 30:51
  overdoses,
• 30:53
  an
• 30:53
  interesting
• 30:53
  language
• 30:54
  challenge
• 30:54
  that
• 30:54
  comes
• 30:55
  up
• 30:55
  is
• 30:55
  that,
• 30:56
  you
• 30:56
  know,
• 30:56
  so
• 30:56
  we're
• 30:56
  getting
• 30:56
  this
• 30:56
  text
• 30:57
  data
• 30:57
  that
• 30:57
  people
• 30:57
  are
• 30:57
  typing
• 30:58
  very
• 30:58
  quickly,
• 30:58
  so
• 30:58
  they
• 30:58
  often
• 30:59
  use
• 30:59
  abbreviations.
• 31:00
  And
• 31:00
  shorthand
• 31:01
  to
• 31:02
  try
• 31:02
  to
• 31:02
  just
• 31:02
  get
• 31:02
  down
• 31:03
  what
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  patient
• 31:03
  said
• 31:03
  as
• 31:03
  quickly
• 31:04
  as
• 31:04
  possible
• 31:04
  so
• 31:04
  they
• 31:04
  can
• 31:04
  get
• 31:04
  on
• 31:05
  to
• 31:05
  actually
• 31:05
  treating
• 31:05
  for
• 31:06
  them,
• 31:06
  treating
• 31:07
  them.
• 31:07
  And
• 31:07
  so
• 31:09
  oftentimes,
• 31:09
  if
• 31:09
  somebody
• 31:10
  overdoses,
• 31:10
  they'll
• 31:10
  just
• 31:10
  type
• 31:11
  OD
• 31:11
  for
• 31:11
  overdose.
• 31:12
  However,
• 31:13
  there
• 31:13
  are
• 31:13
  some
• 31:14
  doctors
• 31:14
  and
• 31:14
  clinicians
• 31:15
  that
• 31:15
  like
• 31:16
  to
• 31:16
  use
• 31:16
  OD
• 31:16
  as
• 31:17
  an
• 31:17
  abbreviation
• 31:17
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• 31:18
  right
• 31:18
  eye
• 31:20
  for.
• 31:20
  Again
• 31:21
  from
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  Latin.
• 31:22
  And
• 31:22
  so,
• 31:24
  yeah,
• 31:25
  it's
• 31:25
  an
• 31:25
  interesting
• 31:26
  challenge
• 31:26
  to
• 31:26
  try
• 31:26
  to
• 31:26
  figure
• 31:27
  out
• 31:27
  from
• 31:28
  context.
• 31:28
  Is
• 31:29
  this
• 31:29
  person
• 31:29
  talking
• 31:29
  about
• 31:30
  a
• 31:30
  drug
• 31:30
  overdose
• 31:31
  or
• 31:31
  talking
• 31:31
  about
• 31:31
  someone
• 31:31
  with
• 31:32
  a
• 31:32
  problem
• 31:32
  in
• 31:32
  their
• 31:32
  right
• 31:32
  eye?
• 31:34
  Yeah,
• 31:34
  I
• 31:34
  never
• 31:34
  would
• 31:34
  have
• 31:35
  thought
• 31:35
  about
• 31:35
  that.
• 31:35
  That's
• 31:35
  exactly
• 31:36
  what
• 31:36
  that
• 31:36
  question
• 31:36
  was
• 31:36
  for.
• 31:38
  Weird,
• 31:38
  though.
• 31:38
  Yeah,
• 31:39
  I
• 31:39
  also
• 31:39
  would
• 31:39
  have
• 31:39
  never
• 31:39
  thought
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  that.
• 31:41
  Yeah.
• 31:41
  Cool.
• 31:42
  So
• 31:42
  for
• 31:43
  the
• 31:43
  meat
• 31:43
  of
• 31:43
  these
• 31:44
  episodes
• 31:44
  or
• 31:44
  job
• 31:44
  fair,
• 31:45
  we
• 31:45
  want
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  walk
• 31:46
  through
• 31:46
  12
• 31:46
  big
• 31:47
  theological
• 31:47
  topics
• 31:48
  that
• 31:48
  often
• 31:48
  get
• 31:48
  debated
• 31:49
  by
• 31:49
  theologians
• 31:50
  or
• 31:50
  podcasters
• 31:51
  or
• 31:51
  pastors,
• 31:51
  and
• 31:52
  to
• 31:52
  see
• 31:52
  how
• 31:52
  these
• 31:52
  ideas
• 31:53
  actually
• 31:54
  impact
• 31:54
  people's
• 31:55
  everyday
• 31:55
  lives,
• 31:56
  career
• 31:56
  wise,
• 31:57
  specifically.
• 31:58
  So
• 31:58
  we're
• 31:59
  going
• 31:59
  to
• 31:59
  go
• 31:59
  through
• 31:59
  12
• 32:00
  topics
• 32:00
  that
• 32:00
  our
• 32:00
  Facebook
• 32:01
  group
• 32:01
  voted
• 32:01
  on
• 32:01
  as
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  biggest
• 32:02
  theological
• 32:03
  hot
• 32:03
  topics
• 32:04
  of
• 32:04
  our
• 32:04
  time.
• 32:05
  And
• 32:05
  like,
• 32:05
  it's
• 32:06
  multiple
• 32:06
  choice.
• 32:07
  We
• 32:07
  just
• 32:07
  need
• 32:07
  you
• 32:08
  to
• 32:08
  tell
• 32:08
  us
• 32:08
  if
• 32:08
  you
• 32:09
  find
• 32:09
  the
• 32:09
  topic
• 32:10
  somewhat
• 32:11
  relevant,
• 32:12
  not
• 32:12
  relevant,
• 32:13
  really
• 32:13
  relevant,
• 32:14
  or
• 32:14
  if
• 32:14
  you've
• 32:15
  never
• 32:15
  heard
• 32:15
  of
• 32:15
  it.
• 32:16
  So
• 32:17
  pretty
• 32:17
  easy.
• 32:17
  You've
• 32:18
  got
• 32:18
  four
• 32:18
  options
• 32:19
  for
• 32:20
  each
• 32:20
  of
• 32:20
  our
• 32:20
  12
• 32:20
  topics,
• 32:21
  and
• 32:21
  then
• 32:21
  later
• 32:22
  we'll
• 32:22
  go
• 32:22
  back
• 32:22
  and
• 32:23
  highlight
• 32:23
  a
• 32:24
  couple
• 32:24
  to
• 32:25
  talk
• 32:25
  more
• 32:25
  in
• 32:26
  depth
• 32:26
  about.
• 32:26
  Does
• 32:26
  that
• 32:27
  sound
• 32:27
  like
• 32:27
  something
• 32:28
  you're
• 32:28
  good
• 32:28
  for,
• 32:28
  Andy?
• 32:29
  I
• 32:29
  will
• 32:29
  give
• 32:30
  it
• 32:30
  a
• 32:30
  try.
• 32:31
  All
• 32:31
  right.
• 32:31
  That's
• 32:31
  all
• 32:32
  we
• 32:32
  can
• 32:32
  do,
• 32:32
  right?
• 32:32
  You
• 32:33
  can
• 32:33
  do
• 32:33
  our
• 32:33
  best.
• 32:34
  So
• 32:35
  the
• 32:35
  first
• 32:35
  one
• 32:35
  is
• 32:35
  gonna
• 32:35
  be.
• 32:36
  Ceteriology,
• 32:37
  and
• 32:37
  the
• 32:37
  question
• 32:37
  is
• 32:38
  if
• 32:38
  that
• 32:38
  is
• 32:38
  relevant
• 32:39
  to
• 32:39
  my
• 32:39
  job
• 32:39
  or
• 32:40
  not.
• 32:40
  Mm.
• 32:41
  If
• 32:41
  it's
• 32:41
  relevant,
• 32:42
  somewhat
• 32:42
  relevant,
• 32:43
  not
• 32:43
  relevant,
• 32:44
  or
• 32:44
  if
• 32:44
  you've
• 32:44
  never
• 32:44
  heard
• 32:45
  of
• 32:45
  it.
• 32:45
  Just
• 32:46
  say
• 32:46
  one
• 32:46
  of
• 32:46
  those
• 32:46
  four.
• 32:47
  Right.
• 32:48
  I
• 32:48
  know,
• 32:48
  I've
• 32:49
  heard
• 32:49
  of
• 32:49
  it,
• 32:50
  but
• 32:51
  I'm
• 32:51
  not
• 32:52
  totally
• 32:52
  confident
• 32:53
  I'm
• 32:53
  gonna
• 32:53
  say
• 32:53
  not
• 32:53
  relevant.
• 32:54
  All
• 32:54
  right.
• 32:55
  Free
• 32:55
  will
• 32:55
  versus
• 32:56
  predestination.
• 32:57
  Yeah,
• 32:58
  not
• 32:58
  really
• 32:58
  relevant.
• 33:00
  Atonement
• 33:00
  models.
• 33:01
  Yeah,
• 33:02
  not.
• 33:02
  Not
• 33:02
  really
• 33:03
  relevant.
• 33:04
  Continuationism
• 33:05
  versus
• 33:05
  cessationism
• 33:07
  in
• 33:08
  regards
• 33:08
  to
• 33:08
  gifts
• 33:08
  of
• 33:08
  the
• 33:08
  Spirit
• 33:09
  specifically.
• 33:10
  Yeah,
• 33:11
  I
• 33:11
  mean,
• 33:11
  I
• 33:11
  suppose
• 33:11
  it's
• 33:11
  a
• 33:12
  little
• 33:12
  relevant.
• 33:13
  All
• 33:13
  right.
• 33:13
  Christology.
• 33:14
  I
• 33:15
  mean.
• 33:16
  Yeah,
• 33:16
  it's
• 33:17
  hard.
• 33:17
  I'm
• 33:17
  not
• 33:17
  seeing
• 33:18
  where
• 33:18
  that's
• 33:18
  relevant.
• 33:19
  All
• 33:19
  right.
• 33:19
  And
• 33:19
  God's
• 33:20
  nature.
• 33:21
  Yeah,
• 33:21
  I'm
• 33:22
  not.
• 33:22
  I'm
• 33:22
  not
• 33:22
  too.
• 33:22
  I
• 33:22
  feel
• 33:22
  like.
• 33:23
  Like
• 33:23
  I'm
• 33:23
  doing
• 33:23
  very
• 33:23
  bad
• 33:23
  at
• 33:23
  this.
• 33:24
  I
• 33:24
  mean,
• 33:24
  you
• 33:24
  know,
• 33:24
  I'm
• 33:25
  not
• 33:25
  saying
• 33:25
  these
• 33:25
  are
• 33:25
  not
• 33:25
  relevant
• 33:26
  topics,
• 33:26
  but,
• 33:26
  like,
• 33:26
  in
• 33:26
  terms
• 33:27
  of
• 33:27
  how
• 33:27
  I
• 33:27
  actually
• 33:27
  do
• 33:27
  my
• 33:28
  job
• 33:28
  day
• 33:28
  to
• 33:28
  day.
• 33:29
  Well,
• 33:29
  it
• 33:30
  doesn't
• 33:30
  Be
• 33:30
  about
• 33:30
  your
• 33:30
  job.
• 33:30
  Just
• 33:31
  you
• 33:31
  while
• 33:32
  you're
• 33:32
  doing
• 33:32
  your
• 33:32
  job,
• 33:32
  you
• 33:33
  know,
• 33:33
  for
• 33:33
  you.
• 33:34
  Right.
• 33:34
  Yeah,
• 33:35
  yeah.
• 33:35
  Whatever
• 33:36
  you
• 33:36
  say
• 33:36
  is
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  right
• 33:37
  answer
• 33:37
  because
• 33:37
  it's
• 33:37
  your
• 33:38
  opinion.
• 33:38
  Fair
• 33:39
  enough.
• 33:40
  Social
• 33:40
  justice.
• 33:41
  Yeah.
• 33:41
  So
• 33:41
  that
• 33:42
  one
• 33:42
  comes
• 33:43
  up
• 33:43
  a
• 33:43
  lot.
• 33:43
  So
• 33:43
  I
• 33:44
  would
• 33:44
  say
• 33:44
  that's
• 33:44
  very
• 33:44
  relevant.
• 33:46
  The
• 33:46
  doctrine
• 33:47
  of
• 33:47
  imago
• 33:48
  dei.
• 33:49
  You
• 33:49
  know,
• 33:49
  I
• 33:49
  would
• 33:49
  say
• 33:50
  that
• 33:50
  that's
• 33:50
  relevant
• 33:51
  to
• 33:51
  how
• 33:51
  I
• 33:51
  think
• 33:51
  about
• 33:52
  my
• 33:52
  job
• 33:52
  and
• 33:52
  how
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  think
• 33:53
  about
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  people
• 33:53
  that
• 33:54
  we
• 33:54
  are
• 33:54
  helping,
• 33:55
  hopefully
• 33:56
  through
• 33:56
  the
• 33:56
  da.
• 33:58
  The
• 33:58
  nature
• 33:59
  of
• 33:59
  scripture.
• 34:00
  That
• 34:00
  one
• 34:00
  I
• 34:01
  don't
• 34:01
  think
• 34:01
  is
• 34:01
  relevant.
• 34:02
  Ecclesiology
• 34:03
  and
• 34:03
  missiology.
• 34:05
  Yeah,
• 34:05
  I
• 34:05
  don't
• 34:05
  think
• 34:05
  that's
• 34:06
  relevant.
• 34:07
  Demonology
• 34:07
  and
• 34:08
  angelology,
• 34:09
  again,
• 34:09
  maybe
• 34:09
  a
• 34:10
  little
• 34:10
  relevant.
• 34:10
  And,
• 34:11
  you
• 34:11
  know,
• 34:11
  depending
• 34:12
  on
• 34:12
  how
• 34:13
  one
• 34:13
  thinks
• 34:13
  that
• 34:13
  causally
• 34:14
  intersects
• 34:14
  with
• 34:15
  people's
• 34:15
  health.
• 34:17
  And
• 34:17
  eschatology,
• 34:18
  the
• 34:18
  study
• 34:18
  of
• 34:19
  the
• 34:19
  end
• 34:19
  times.
• 34:20
  I'm
• 34:20
  hoping
• 34:21
  that
• 34:21
  that
• 34:21
  is
• 34:21
  not
• 34:21
  relevant
• 34:22
  to
• 34:22
  my
• 34:22
  job.
• 34:23
  Yeah,
• 34:25
  yeah.
• 34:25
  Especially
• 34:26
  on
• 34:26
  your
• 34:26
  side
• 34:26
  of
• 34:26
  things.
• 34:27
  It's
• 34:27
  like,
• 34:27
  yeah,
• 34:28
  I
• 34:28
  hope
• 34:28
  that's
• 34:29
  not
• 34:29
  what.
• 34:29
  Right.
• 34:30
  But
• 34:30
  if
• 34:31
  it
• 34:32
  would
• 34:32
  be
• 34:32
  very
• 34:33
  relevant.
• 34:33
  Right.
• 34:34
  Yeah,
• 34:34
  it's
• 34:35
  good.
• 34:36
  You're
• 34:36
  going
• 34:36
  to
• 34:36
  have
• 34:36
  to
• 34:37
  add
• 34:37
  a
• 34:37
  whole
• 34:37
  new
• 34:37
  silo.
• 34:38
  Yes.
• 34:39
  With
• 34:39
  demon
• 34:39
  fatalities.
• 34:42
  Oh,
• 34:42
  man.
• 34:42
  So
• 34:43
  with
• 34:43
  that,
• 34:44
  if
• 34:44
  you,
• 34:45
  Andy,
• 34:45
  if
• 34:45
  you
• 34:45
  had
• 34:45
  to
• 34:46
  pick
• 34:46
  two
• 34:46
  of
• 34:46
  those
• 34:46
  above
• 34:47
  12
• 34:47
  topics
• 34:48
  that
• 34:48
  we
• 34:48
  mentioned
• 34:49
  that
• 34:49
  you
• 34:49
  think
• 34:49
  are
• 34:49
  relevant
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  your
• 34:50
  day
• 34:50
  to
• 34:50
  day
• 34:51
  life
• 34:51
  just
• 34:51
  to
• 34:51
  talk
• 34:51
  a
• 34:52
  little
• 34:52
  bit
• 34:52
  more
• 34:52
  about,
• 34:52
  they
• 34:52
  don't
• 34:52
  have
• 34:52
  to
• 34:53
  be
• 34:53
  the
• 34:53
  two
• 34:53
  most
• 34:53
  relevant,
• 34:54
  just
• 34:54
  two
• 34:54
  that
• 34:54
  you
• 34:54
  would
• 34:55
  want
• 34:55
  to
• 34:55
  talk
• 34:55
  about
• 34:55
  that
• 34:55
  you
• 34:55
  think
• 34:56
  are
• 34:56
  relevant.
• 34:56
  What
• 34:57
  would
• 34:57
  they
• 34:57
  be?
• 34:57
  I
• 34:57
  mean,
• 34:58
  you
• 34:58
  know,
• 34:58
  I
• 34:58
  think
• 34:58
  the
• 34:59
  imago
• 34:59
  DEI
• 35:00
  and
• 35:00
  the
• 35:00
  social
• 35:01
  justice
• 35:01
  ones
• 35:01
  kind
• 35:02
  of
• 35:02
  stood
• 35:02
  out.
• 35:03
  Yeah.
• 35:03
  Okay.
• 35:03
  Yeah.
• 35:04
  You
• 35:04
  want
• 35:04
  to
• 35:05
  just
• 35:06
  riff
• 35:06
  about
• 35:06
  that
• 35:07
  for
• 35:07
  a
• 35:07
  little
• 35:07
  bit?
• 35:08
  What
• 35:08
  stands
• 35:08
  out
• 35:08
  to
• 35:08
  you
• 35:09
  about
• 35:09
  those
• 35:09
  that
• 35:10
  impacts
• 35:11
  your
• 35:11
  life?
• 35:12
  Sure.
• 35:13
  You
• 35:14
  know,
• 35:14
  I
• 35:14
  mean,
• 35:14
  in
• 35:15
  terms
• 35:15
  of
• 35:15
  social
• 35:16
  justice.
• 35:16
  Right.
• 35:17
  We
• 35:17
  again
• 35:18
  talked
• 35:19
  a
• 35:19
  lot
• 35:19
  in
• 35:19
  the
• 35:19
  last
• 35:19
  few
• 35:20
  years
• 35:20
  about
• 35:20
  how
• 35:22
  the
• 35:22
  categories
• 35:23
  that
• 35:23
  we
• 35:23
  create
• 35:23
  for
• 35:23
  people,
• 35:24
  race,
• 35:26
  gender,
• 35:28
  even
• 35:28
  various,
• 35:29
  you
• 35:29
  know,
• 35:29
  social
• 35:29
  and
• 35:30
  community
• 35:30
  affiliations,
• 35:33
  you
• 35:33
  know,
• 35:33
  have
• 35:33
  an
• 35:33
  impact
• 35:33
  on
• 35:34
  people's
• 35:34
  health,
• 35:36
  you
• 35:36
  know,
• 35:37
  and
• 35:37
  they.
• 35:38
  Beyond
• 35:38
  whatever
• 35:39
  biological
• 35:39
  correlation
• 35:40
  there
• 35:40
  happens
• 35:41
  to
• 35:41
  be.
• 35:41
  Right.
• 35:41
  So
• 35:42
  we've
• 35:42
  known
• 35:43
  for
• 35:43
  a
• 35:43
  while,
• 35:43
  for
• 35:44
  example,
• 35:44
  that,
• 35:45
  you
• 35:45
  know,
• 35:45
  there
• 35:46
  are
• 35:46
  certain
• 35:46
  health
• 35:46
  outcomes
• 35:47
  that
• 35:47
  are
• 35:47
  worse
• 35:48
  for
• 35:48
  black
• 35:49
  people
• 35:49
  in
• 35:49
  the
• 35:49
  United
• 35:50
  States
• 35:50
  than
• 35:50
  they
• 35:50
  are
• 35:50
  for
• 35:50
  other
• 35:51
  groups.
• 35:51
  And
• 35:52
  that
• 35:52
  is
• 35:52
  not,
• 35:53
  you
• 35:53
  know,
• 35:53
  and
• 35:53
  the
• 35:53
  evidence
• 35:54
  does
• 35:54
  not
• 35:54
  suggest
• 35:54
  that
• 35:55
  that's
• 35:55
  because
• 35:55
  there
• 35:55
  is
• 35:56
  some
• 35:56
  genetic
• 35:58
  feature
• 35:58
  of
• 35:59
  that
• 35:59
  population
• 36:00
  that
• 36:00
  means
• 36:00
  that
• 36:00
  they
• 36:01
  have
• 36:01
  worse
• 36:01
  outcomes.
• 36:01
  You
• 36:02
  know,
• 36:02
  things
• 36:02
  like
• 36:02
  blood
• 36:03
  pressure
• 36:03
  and
• 36:04
  diabetes
• 36:04
  and
• 36:04
  so
• 36:04
  forth.
• 36:05
  There
• 36:05
  are
• 36:05
  obviously
• 36:06
  one
• 36:07
  example
• 36:07
  that
• 36:07
  people
• 36:07
  might
• 36:07
  go
• 36:07
  to
• 36:08
  is
• 36:08
  sickle
• 36:09
  cell
• 36:09
  anemia.
• 36:10
  Right.
• 36:10
  So
• 36:10
  the
• 36:10
  genes
• 36:11
  for
• 36:11
  sickle
• 36:11
  cell
• 36:11
  are
• 36:12
  more
• 36:12
  prevalent
• 36:12
  in
• 36:12
  certain
• 36:12
  populations.
• 36:13
  And
• 36:13
  that
• 36:13
  does
• 36:14
  have
• 36:14
  to
• 36:14
  do
• 36:14
  with
• 36:15
  the
• 36:15
  intersection
• 36:16
  of
• 36:17
  sickle
• 36:17
  cell
• 36:17
  anemia
• 36:18
  and
• 36:18
  malaria
• 36:19
  protection.
• 36:20
  And
• 36:20
  so
• 36:20
  people
• 36:20
  coming
• 36:21
  from
• 36:21
  places
• 36:21
  where
• 36:21
  malaria
• 36:22
  is
• 36:22
  endemic.
• 36:22
  Right.
• 36:23
  That
• 36:23
  is
• 36:23
  there.
• 36:24
  There
• 36:24
  is
• 36:24
  some
• 36:24
  biological,
• 36:25
  genetic
• 36:25
  connection.
• 36:26
  But
• 36:26
  a
• 36:26
  lot
• 36:27
  of
• 36:27
  these
• 36:27
  other
• 36:27
  health
• 36:27
  outcomes,
• 36:28
  we
• 36:28
  have
• 36:29
  not
• 36:29
  been
• 36:29
  able
• 36:29
  to
• 36:29
  find
• 36:29
  any
• 36:30
  biological
• 36:31
  explanation
• 36:32
  or
• 36:32
  genetic
• 36:33
  explanation.
• 36:33
  It
• 36:34
  has
• 36:34
  to
• 36:34
  do
• 36:34
  more
• 36:34
  with
• 36:36
  access
• 36:36
  to
• 36:37
  healthcare,
• 36:37
  education,
• 36:39
  communities,
• 36:40
  approaches
• 36:40
  to
• 36:41
  treating
• 36:42
  different
• 36:42
  things.
• 36:43
  It
• 36:43
  even
• 36:43
  comes
• 36:44
  down
• 36:44
  to
• 36:45
  knowing
• 36:46
  your
• 36:46
  health
• 36:47
  outcome
• 36:47
  may
• 36:47
  depend
• 36:48
  on
• 36:49
  did
• 36:50
  you
• 36:50
  grow
• 36:50
  up
• 36:50
  in
• 36:50
  a
• 36:50
  community
• 36:50
  that
• 36:51
  knows
• 36:51
  when
• 36:51
  to
• 36:51
  go
• 36:52
  to
• 36:52
  a
• 36:52
  doctor?
• 36:52
  For
• 36:52
  what,
• 36:53
  and
• 36:53
  what
• 36:53
  doctor
• 36:53
  do
• 36:53
  you
• 36:54
  go
• 36:54
  to?
• 36:55
  I'm
• 36:55
  always
• 36:55
  a
• 36:55
  little
• 36:56
  bit
• 36:56
  surprised
• 36:56
  by
• 36:56
  how
• 36:56
  much
• 36:57
  you
• 36:57
  have
• 36:57
  to
• 36:57
  know
• 36:57
  as
• 36:57
  the
• 36:57
  patient
• 36:58
  about
• 36:58
  which.
• 36:59
  Which
• 36:59
  doctor
• 36:59
  to
• 36:59
  see
• 37:00
  for
• 37:00
  what
• 37:00
  kind
• 37:00
  of
• 37:00
  condition.
• 37:00
  You
• 37:01
  always
• 37:01
  have
• 37:01
  to
• 37:01
  halfway
• 37:02
  diagnose
• 37:02
  yourself
• 37:03
  before
• 37:03
  you
• 37:03
  figure
• 37:03
  out
• 37:05
  which
• 37:05
  healthcare
• 37:06
  professional
• 37:06
  to
• 37:06
  see.
• 37:07
  And
• 37:08
  so
• 37:08
  if
• 37:09
  that
• 37:09
  knowledge
• 37:09
  is
• 37:10
  not
• 37:10
  part
• 37:10
  of
• 37:10
  your
• 37:10
  community,
• 37:11
  part
• 37:11
  of
• 37:11
  your
• 37:11
  education
• 37:12
  and
• 37:12
  your
• 37:13
  upbringing,
• 37:13
  you
• 37:14
  might
• 37:14
  delay
• 37:15
  care.
• 37:15
  You
• 37:15
  might
• 37:15
  not
• 37:16
  get
• 37:16
  care
• 37:16
  at
• 37:16
  all.
• 37:16
  You
• 37:16
  might
• 37:16
  not
• 37:16
  know
• 37:17
  this
• 37:17
  is
• 37:17
  something
• 37:17
  that
• 37:17
  needs
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  be
• 37:18
  treated
• 37:18
  or
• 37:18
  something
• 37:18
  that
• 37:18
  could
• 37:18
  be
• 37:19
  treated.
• 37:19
  A
• 37:19
  lot
• 37:20
  of
• 37:20
  people
• 37:20
  suffer
• 37:20
  with
• 37:20
  things
• 37:20
  because
• 37:21
  they
• 37:21
  don't
• 37:21
  think
• 37:21
  there's
• 37:21
  anything
• 37:22
  that
• 37:22
  could
• 37:22
  be
• 37:22
  done
• 37:22
  with
• 37:22
  them.
• 37:24
  And
• 37:24
  so,
• 37:25
  yeah,
• 37:25
  so
• 37:25
  that
• 37:25
  intersects.
• 37:26
  And
• 37:26
  we've
• 37:26
  made
• 37:26
  some
• 37:26
  efforts
• 37:27
  in
• 37:27
  the
• 37:27
  past
• 37:27
  using
• 37:28
  our
• 37:28
  data
• 37:28
  to
• 37:28
  try
• 37:29
  to
• 37:30
  identify.
• 37:30
  We
• 37:31
  don't
• 37:31
  get
• 37:31
  a
• 37:31
  lot
• 37:31
  of
• 37:32
  data
• 37:33
  about
• 37:33
  specific
• 37:33
  people.
• 37:34
  We're
• 37:35
  not
• 37:35
  getting
• 37:35
  your
• 37:35
  full
• 37:36
  name
• 37:36
  and
• 37:36
  address
• 37:36
  and
• 37:36
  all
• 37:37
  that
• 37:37
  kind
• 37:37
  of
• 37:37
  stuff.
• 37:37
  We're
• 37:37
  trying
• 37:37
  to
• 37:38
  look
• 37:38
  at
• 37:38
  things
• 37:38
  at
• 37:39
  an
• 37:39
  aggregate
• 37:39
  level.
• 37:40
  So
• 37:40
  there's
• 37:40
  limitations
• 37:41
  to
• 37:41
  what
• 37:41
  we
• 37:41
  can
• 37:41
  do.
• 37:41
  But
• 37:41
  we
• 37:41
  have
• 37:42
  made
• 37:42
  some
• 37:42
  efforts
• 37:42
  to
• 37:43
  try
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  identify
• 37:44
  issues
• 37:45
  that
• 37:45
  might
• 37:45
  correspond
• 37:46
  to
• 37:48
  socioeconomic
• 37:49
  categories
• 37:50
  or
• 37:50
  just
• 37:51
  geographic
• 37:51
  regions.
• 37:53
  I've
• 37:53
  seen
• 37:53
  public
• 37:54
  health
• 37:54
  folks
• 37:54
  who
• 37:54
  have
• 37:55
  access
• 37:55
  to
• 37:55
  more
• 37:55
  granular
• 37:55
  data.
• 37:56
  You
• 37:56
  know,
• 37:56
  they've
• 37:56
  been
• 37:57
  able
• 37:57
  to
• 37:57
  identify
• 37:57
  specific
• 37:58
  housing
• 37:59
  developments
• 37:59
  where
• 38:00
  there
• 38:00
  are
• 38:00
  specific
• 38:01
  healthcare
• 38:01
  problems
• 38:02
  or
• 38:02
  healthcare
• 38:02
  issues
• 38:02
  because
• 38:03
  of
• 38:03
  access
• 38:03
  to
• 38:03
  healthcare
• 38:05
  and
• 38:05
  different
• 38:06
  issues.
• 38:06
  So
• 38:07
  that
• 38:07
  definitely
• 38:07
  intersects
• 38:08
  with
• 38:08
  what
• 38:09
  we
• 38:09
  do
• 38:09
  a
• 38:09
  lot.
• 38:09
  And
• 38:09
  we
• 38:09
  talk
• 38:09
  a
• 38:10
  lot
• 38:10
  about
• 38:10
  how
• 38:10
  do
• 38:10
  we
• 38:11
  provide
• 38:11
  the
• 38:11
  best
• 38:11
  care
• 38:12
  for
• 38:12
  everyone
• 38:13
  and
• 38:13
  to
• 38:13
  make
• 38:13
  sure
• 38:14
  that
• 38:14
  public
• 38:14
  health
• 38:15
  is
• 38:15
  definitely
• 38:15
  concerned
• 38:15
  with
• 38:16
  things
• 38:16
  like
• 38:16
  education,
• 38:17
  access
• 38:17
  to
• 38:17
  resources.
• 38:19
  We're
• 38:19
  not
• 38:19
  necessarily
• 38:19
  treating
• 38:20
  each
• 38:20
  individual
• 38:20
  people.
• 38:21
  That's
• 38:21
  more
• 38:21
  on
• 38:22
  the
• 38:22
  medical
• 38:22
  side.
• 38:22
  But,
• 38:23
  you
• 38:23
  know,
• 38:23
  if
• 38:23
  there's
• 38:23
  an
• 38:24
  issue
• 38:24
  with
• 38:24
  a
• 38:25
  particular
• 38:25
  neighborhood
• 38:26
  is
• 38:27
  too
• 38:27
  far
• 38:27
  away
• 38:27
  from
• 38:28
  the
• 38:28
  nearest
• 38:28
  pharmacy,
• 38:29
  the
• 38:29
  nearest
• 38:30
  grocery
• 38:31
  store
• 38:31
  with
• 38:31
  fresh
• 38:31
  produce,
• 38:32
  the
• 38:32
  nearest
• 38:33
  emergency
• 38:34
  department.
• 38:34
  Right.
• 38:34
  That's
• 38:34
  a
• 38:34
  public
• 38:35
  health
• 38:35
  issue
• 38:35
  in
• 38:35
  terms
• 38:35
  of
• 38:35
  how
• 38:36
  do
• 38:36
  we
• 38:36
  identify
• 38:36
  those
• 38:36
  communities
• 38:37
  and
• 38:37
  those
• 38:37
  needs.
• 38:39
  Yeah.
• 38:39
  And
• 38:41
  I
• 38:41
  just
• 38:41
  want
• 38:41
  to
• 38:42
  lean
• 38:43
  a
• 38:43
  little
• 38:43
  into
• 38:43
  that.
• 38:44
  Do
• 38:44
  you
• 38:44
  think
• 38:44
  there
• 38:44
  are
• 38:44
  any
• 38:45
  ways
• 38:45
  that
• 38:45
  the
• 38:45
  church
• 38:46
  can
• 38:46
  actually
• 38:47
  help
• 38:47
  be
• 38:47
  part
• 38:47
  of
• 38:48
  the
• 38:48
  solution
• 38:48
  here?
• 38:48
  Because,
• 38:49
  like,
• 38:49
  what
• 38:49
  you're
• 38:49
  Mentioning
• 38:49
  is
• 38:50
  it's
• 38:50
  not
• 38:50
  something
• 38:50
  that
• 38:51
  maybe
• 38:51
  science
• 38:51
  can
• 38:52
  solve
• 38:52
  on
• 38:52
  its
• 38:52
  own.
• 38:52
  Because
• 38:52
  what
• 38:53
  we're
• 38:53
  seeing
• 38:53
  is
• 38:54
  a
• 38:54
  lot
• 38:54
  of
• 38:54
  these
• 38:54
  issues
• 38:55
  aren't
• 38:55
  just
• 38:55
  genetic.
• 38:56
  It's
• 38:56
  people's
• 38:57
  access.
• 38:58
  Is
• 38:59
  there
• 38:59
  a
• 38:59
  way
• 38:59
  the
• 38:59
  church
• 38:59
  can
• 39:00
  step
• 39:00
  in
• 39:00
  there?
• 39:01
  Yeah,
• 39:02
  you
• 39:02
  know,
• 39:02
  there
• 39:02
  are
• 39:02
  certainly
• 39:03
  things
• 39:03
  that
• 39:04
  churches
• 39:04
  can
• 39:04
  do.
• 39:05
  I
• 39:05
  think
• 39:05
  part
• 39:05
  of,
• 39:06
  you
• 39:07
  know,
• 39:07
  the
• 39:07
  first
• 39:07
  step
• 39:07
  in
• 39:08
  some
• 39:08
  church
• 39:08
  communities
• 39:08
  may
• 39:09
  just
• 39:09
  be
• 39:10
  grappling
• 39:10
  with
• 39:10
  and
• 39:10
  recognizing
• 39:11
  that
• 39:12
  systemic
• 39:12
  issues
• 39:13
  exist
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  that
• 39:14
  not
• 39:14
  all
• 39:15
  problems
• 39:15
  are
• 39:16
  caused
• 39:16
  by
• 39:16
  individual
• 39:17
  choices,
• 39:18
  that
• 39:18
  there
• 39:18
  are
• 39:19
  things
• 39:19
  that
• 39:19
  operate
• 39:20
  at
• 39:21
  a
• 39:21
  system
• 39:22
  level,
• 39:22
  at
• 39:22
  a
• 39:22
  community
• 39:22
  level,
• 39:23
  at
• 39:23
  a
• 39:23
  neighborhood
• 39:24
  level,
• 39:25
  at
• 39:25
  a
• 39:25
  county
• 39:26
  level,
• 39:26
  or
• 39:26
  what
• 39:26
  have
• 39:26
  you
• 39:27
  that
• 39:27
  have
• 39:27
  to
• 39:28
  be
• 39:28
  addressed
• 39:28
  at
• 39:28
  that
• 39:28
  level
• 39:30
  in
• 39:30
  order
• 39:30
  to
• 39:31
  be
• 39:31
  able
• 39:31
  to
• 39:31
  make
• 39:32
  a
• 39:32
  contribution
• 39:32
  to
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  solution.
• 39:35
  Churches
• 39:35
  can
• 39:36
  be
• 39:36
  a
• 39:36
  source
• 39:36
  of
• 39:38
  better
• 39:38
  education
• 39:39
  on
• 39:39
  these
• 39:39
  issues.
• 39:40
  Right.
• 39:40
  You
• 39:40
  can
• 39:40
  have
• 39:41
  folks
• 39:42
  in
• 39:42
  your
• 39:42
  church
• 39:42
  who
• 39:43
  maybe
• 39:44
  provide
• 39:44
  their
• 39:45
  expertise
• 39:45
  on.
• 39:46
  On
• 39:46
  healthcare
• 39:47
  issues.
• 39:47
  Right.
• 39:47
  How
• 39:48
  do
• 39:48
  I.
• 39:49
  Who
• 39:50
  do
• 39:50
  I
• 39:50
  see
• 39:50
  for
• 39:50
  this?
• 39:51
  Is
• 39:51
  there
• 39:51
  a
• 39:51
  doctor
• 39:51
  that
• 39:51
  can
• 39:52
  help
• 39:52
  me
• 39:52
  with
• 39:52
  this
• 39:52
  problem?
• 39:54
  When
• 39:54
  do
• 39:55
  I
• 39:55
  call?
• 39:56
  When
• 39:56
  do
• 39:56
  I
• 39:56
  go
• 39:56
  to
• 39:56
  the
• 39:56
  er?
• 39:57
  When
• 39:57
  do
• 39:57
  I
• 39:58
  go
• 39:58
  to
• 39:58
  my
• 39:58
  primary
• 39:58
  care
• 39:58
  physician?
• 40:00
  Some
• 40:00
  people
• 40:00
  just
• 40:00
  need
• 40:01
  help
• 40:01
  with
• 40:01
  those
• 40:01
  kinds
• 40:01
  of
• 40:02
  questions.
• 40:03
  There
• 40:04
  may
• 40:04
  be
• 40:04
  issues
• 40:04
  depending
• 40:04
  on
• 40:05
  where
• 40:05
  your
• 40:05
  church
• 40:05
  is
• 40:05
  located.
• 40:06
  There
• 40:06
  might
• 40:06
  be
• 40:06
  issues
• 40:07
  of
• 40:07
  transportation,
• 40:08
  so
• 40:09
  the
• 40:09
  church
• 40:09
  could
• 40:09
  maybe.
• 40:09
  I
• 40:10
  know
• 40:10
  there
• 40:10
  are
• 40:10
  churches
• 40:10
  that
• 40:10
  provide
• 40:11
  transportation
• 40:11
  to
• 40:12
  various
• 40:12
  things
• 40:12
  that
• 40:13
  could
• 40:13
  include
• 40:13
  taking
• 40:14
  folks
• 40:14
  to
• 40:15
  healthcare
• 40:16
  appointments
• 40:18
  or
• 40:19
  even.
• 40:20
  And
• 40:20
  this
• 40:20
  obviously
• 40:20
  gets
• 40:21
  into
• 40:22
  confidentiality
• 40:23
  issues
• 40:23
  and
• 40:24
  so
• 40:24
  forth.
• 40:24
  But
• 40:24
  sometimes
• 40:24
  folks
• 40:25
  might
• 40:25
  even
• 40:25
  need
• 40:25
  somebody
• 40:25
  to
• 40:26
  go
• 40:26
  in
• 40:26
  and
• 40:26
  talk
• 40:26
  to
• 40:26
  their
• 40:26
  doctor
• 40:27
  with
• 40:27
  them
• 40:27
  about
• 40:28
  what
• 40:28
  is
• 40:29
  going
• 40:29
  on.
• 40:29
  Maybe
• 40:29
  there's
• 40:30
  language
• 40:30
  barriers
• 40:30
  or
• 40:31
  maybe
• 40:31
  there's
• 40:31
  just
• 40:32
  unfamiliarity
• 40:33
  with
• 40:33
  things.
• 40:33
  And
• 40:33
  obviously,
• 40:34
  again,
• 40:34
  that
• 40:34
  has
• 40:35
  to
• 40:35
  be
• 40:35
  navigated
• 40:35
  very
• 40:35
  carefully
• 40:36
  with
• 40:37
  each
• 40:37
  individual
• 40:38
  with
• 40:38
  respect
• 40:38
  to
• 40:38
  their
• 40:38
  pregnancies,
• 40:39
  privacy
• 40:40
  and
• 40:40
  so
• 40:40
  forth.
• 40:40
  But
• 40:40
  that
• 40:41
  might
• 40:42
  be
• 40:42
  a
• 40:42
  place
• 40:42
  where
• 40:43
  folks
• 40:43
  could
• 40:43
  help.
• 40:45
  Some
• 40:45
  churches
• 40:45
  operate
• 40:46
  food
• 40:46
  pantries,
• 40:46
  just
• 40:47
  kind
• 40:47
  of
• 40:47
  paying
• 40:47
  attention
• 40:47
  to
• 40:48
  what
• 40:48
  food
• 40:49
  are
• 40:49
  we
• 40:50
  stocking?
• 40:51
  What
• 40:51
  kind
• 40:51
  of
• 40:51
  nutrition
• 40:52
  is
• 40:52
  available
• 40:52
  through
• 40:53
  this
• 40:53
  food?
• 40:53
  Is
• 40:54
  it
• 40:54
  all
• 40:55
  just
• 40:55
  calories?
• 40:57
  Are
• 40:57
  there
• 40:57
  plenty
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  micronutrients?
• 40:58
  Is
• 40:59
  there
• 40:59
  plenty
• 40:59
  of
• 40:59
  protein,
• 40:59
  plenty
• 41:00
  of
• 41:00
  fiber?
• 41:00
  All
• 41:01
  those
• 41:01
  kinds
• 41:01
  of
• 41:01
  things.
• 41:01
  And
• 41:02
  so
• 41:02
  maybe
• 41:02
  even
• 41:02
  rethinking
• 41:03
  about
• 41:03
  asking
• 41:04
  what
• 41:04
  you
• 41:04
  ask
• 41:04
  for
• 41:05
  donations
• 41:05
  for
• 41:05
  the
• 41:05
  food
• 41:06
  pantry
• 41:07
  might
• 41:07
  be
• 41:07
  something
• 41:07
  that
• 41:07
  the
• 41:08
  church
• 41:08
  could
• 41:08
  do.
• 41:09
  And
• 41:09
  if
• 41:09
  you
• 41:09
  don't
• 41:10
  have
• 41:10
  one,
• 41:10
  maybe,
• 41:10
  you
• 41:10
  know,
• 41:10
  starting
• 41:11
  one
• 41:11
  or
• 41:11
  starting
• 41:12
  something
• 41:12
  like
• 41:13
  that.
• 41:13
  Right.
• 41:14
  Helping
• 41:14
  to
• 41:14
  deal
• 41:14
  with
• 41:14
  issues
• 41:15
  of
• 41:15
  food
• 41:16
  insecurity,
• 41:16
  food
• 41:17
  access.
• 41:17
  Yeah.
• 41:18
  I
• 41:18
  mean,
• 41:18
  you
• 41:19
  know,
• 41:19
  there's
• 41:19
  probably
• 41:20
  a
• 41:20
  whole
• 41:20
  long
• 41:20
  list
• 41:20
  of
• 41:21
  things
• 41:21
  that
• 41:21
  could
• 41:21
  be
• 41:21
  done,
• 41:22
  but
• 41:22
  those
• 41:22
  are
• 41:23
  just
• 41:23
  some
• 41:23
  of
• 41:23
  the
• 41:23
  ones
• 41:23
  that
• 41:23
  kind
• 41:24
  of
• 41:24
  popped
• 41:24
  onto
• 41:25
  my
• 41:25
  head.
• 41:25
  Yeah.
• 41:26
  I'm
• 41:26
  asking
• 41:27
  one
• 41:27
  other
• 41:27
  thing,
• 41:27
  and
• 41:28
  then
• 41:28
  TJ
• 41:29
  will
• 41:29
  be
• 41:29
  annoyed
• 41:29
  at
• 41:29
  Me,
• 41:29
  but
• 41:30
  it's
• 41:30
  okay.
• 41:30
  I
• 41:30
  think.
• 41:31
  I
• 41:31
  don't
• 41:31
  think
• 41:31
  he
• 41:31
  hates
• 41:31
  me
• 41:32
  yet.
• 41:34
  One
• 41:34
  of
• 41:34
  the
• 41:34
  things
• 41:34
  you
• 41:34
  said
• 41:34
  somewhat,
• 41:35
  too,
• 41:35
  is
• 41:35
  what
• 41:35
  I'm
• 41:36
  actually
• 41:36
  curious
• 41:36
  of
• 41:37
  the
• 41:37
  angelology,
• 41:38
  demonology,
• 41:38
  and
• 41:39
  how
• 41:39
  people
• 41:39
  think
• 41:39
  that
• 41:40
  might
• 41:40
  impact
• 41:40
  their
• 41:40
  health.
• 41:41
  Growing
• 41:42
  up
• 41:42
  Pentecostal,
• 41:42
  I
• 41:43
  know
• 41:43
  a
• 41:43
  lot
• 41:43
  of
• 41:43
  people
• 41:43
  who
• 41:43
  blame
• 41:44
  diseases
• 41:44
  and
• 41:44
  stuff
• 41:45
  or
• 41:45
  mental
• 41:46
  illnesses
• 41:46
  on
• 41:47
  demons.
• 41:47
  Is
• 41:47
  that
• 41:47
  kind
• 41:48
  of
• 41:48
  what
• 41:48
  you
• 41:48
  were
• 41:48
  getting
• 41:48
  at
• 41:48
  or
• 41:48
  is
• 41:48
  there
• 41:49
  something
• 41:49
  else?
• 41:50
  I'm
• 41:50
  just
• 41:50
  curious.
• 41:51
  Yeah,
• 41:52
  I
• 41:52
  think
• 41:52
  that's
• 41:52
  part
• 41:52
  of
• 41:53
  it.
• 41:53
  Some
• 41:54
  people
• 41:54
  absolutely
• 41:54
  have
• 41:55
  that
• 41:55
  mindset
• 41:56
  that
• 41:58
  some
• 41:59
  element
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  mental
• 42:00
  illness
• 42:00
  and
• 42:00
  some,
• 42:01
  sometimes
• 42:01
  even
• 42:01
  physical
• 42:02
  illnesses
• 42:03
  are
• 42:04
  spiritual
• 42:04
  in
• 42:04
  nature.
• 42:05
  But
• 42:06
  there's
• 42:06
  also,
• 42:06
  you
• 42:07
  know,
• 42:07
  the
• 42:07
  element
• 42:07
  of,
• 42:07
  you
• 42:08
  know,
• 42:08
  on
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  flip
• 42:08
  side.
• 42:09
  Right.
• 42:10
  Do
• 42:10
  I
• 42:10
  think
• 42:11
  that,
• 42:11
  you
• 42:12
  know,
• 42:12
  angels
• 42:13
  can
• 42:13
  be
• 42:13
  a
• 42:13
  source
• 42:13
  of
• 42:13
  healing
• 42:14
  or
• 42:14
  a
• 42:14
  source
• 42:14
  of
• 42:15
  relief
• 42:16
  from
• 42:16
  these
• 42:16
  things?
• 42:17
  Right.
• 42:17
  So
• 42:17
  I
• 42:17
  think
• 42:18
  that
• 42:19
  there's
• 42:20
  a
• 42:20
  kind
• 42:21
  of
• 42:21
  practical
• 42:21
  public
• 42:21
  health
• 42:22
  issue
• 42:22
  of
• 42:23
  being
• 42:23
  aware
• 42:23
  of
• 42:24
  people's
• 42:24
  beliefs
• 42:24
  in
• 42:25
  those
• 42:25
  kinds
• 42:25
  of
• 42:25
  areas
• 42:25
  and
• 42:26
  helping
• 42:26
  navigate
• 42:27
  them.
• 42:27
  And
• 42:27
  whether
• 42:27
  you,
• 42:28
  as
• 42:28
  a
• 42:28
  healthcare
• 42:28
  provider
• 42:29
  or
• 42:29
  a
• 42:29
  public
• 42:29
  health
• 42:29
  professional,
• 42:30
  share
• 42:31
  those
• 42:31
  same
• 42:31
  beliefs
• 42:31
  or
• 42:31
  not,
• 42:32
  you
• 42:32
  might
• 42:32
  have
• 42:32
  to
• 42:33
  still
• 42:33
  navigate
• 42:34
  how
• 42:34
  a
• 42:35
  person
• 42:35
  approaches
• 42:35
  those
• 42:35
  kinds
• 42:36
  of
• 42:36
  questions
• 42:37
  and
• 42:37
  be
• 42:37
  respectful
• 42:38
  of
• 42:38
  where
• 42:38
  they're
• 42:39
  coming
• 42:39
  from
• 42:39
  and
• 42:40
  provide
• 42:41
  solutions
• 42:41
  in
• 42:41
  a
• 42:41
  way
• 42:41
  that
• 42:42
  is
• 42:42
  consistent
• 42:43
  or
• 42:44
  complementary
• 42:45
  to
• 42:45
  how
• 42:45
  they
• 42:46
  approach
• 42:46
  things.
• 42:47
  And
• 42:48
  that
• 42:48
  may
• 42:48
  be
• 42:48
  another
• 42:49
  role
• 42:49
  for,
• 42:49
  you
• 42:50
  know,
• 42:50
  for
• 42:50
  the
• 42:51
  church.
• 42:51
  Right.
• 42:51
  For
• 42:51
  the
• 42:51
  church
• 42:52
  leaders
• 42:52
  to
• 42:53
  be
• 42:53
  able
• 42:54
  to
• 42:54
  help
• 42:55
  navigate
• 42:57
  those.
• 42:57
  Those
• 42:58
  intersections.
• 42:58
  Right.
• 42:59
  And
• 42:59
  help
• 42:59
  maybe
• 42:59
  some
• 42:59
  of
• 42:59
  the
• 42:59
  congregation
• 43:00
  being
• 43:01
  a
• 43:01
  positive
• 43:01
  force
• 43:02
  for.
• 43:02
  Hey,
• 43:03
  you
• 43:03
  know,
• 43:03
  there's
• 43:03
  a
• 43:03
  way
• 43:03
  that
• 43:04
  this
• 43:05
  medicine
• 43:05
  or
• 43:05
  that,
• 43:05
  you
• 43:06
  know,
• 43:06
  this
• 43:06
  health
• 43:06
  care
• 43:07
  procedure
• 43:08
  or
• 43:09
  mental
• 43:09
  health,
• 43:09
  you
• 43:09
  know,
• 43:10
  treatment
• 43:11
  can
• 43:11
  sit
• 43:12
  alongside
• 43:12
  of
• 43:12
  your
• 43:13
  belief
• 43:14
  in,
• 43:14
  you
• 43:15
  know,
• 43:15
  God's
• 43:15
  healing
• 43:16
  rather
• 43:16
  than
• 43:16
  being
• 43:17
  at
• 43:17
  odds
• 43:17
  with
• 43:17
  it.
• 43:18
  So,
• 43:18
  yeah,
• 43:19
  that
• 43:19
  was.
• 43:19
  That
• 43:19
  was
• 43:19
  kind
• 43:19
  of
• 43:19
  what
• 43:20
  I
• 43:20
  had
• 43:20
  in
• 43:20
  mind.
• 43:21
  Yeah.
• 43:21
  Yeah,
• 43:22
  I
• 43:22
  mean,
• 43:22
  I
• 43:22
  get
• 43:22
  it.
• 43:23
  And
• 43:23
  they're
• 43:23
  right.
• 43:24
  Demons
• 43:24
  do
• 43:24
  cause
• 43:25
  all
• 43:25
  bad
• 43:25
  things.
• 43:27
  No.
• 43:28
  Yep,
• 43:28
  that's
• 43:28
  what
• 43:29
  that
• 43:29
  is.
• 43:29
  So
• 43:30
  is
• 43:31
  there
• 43:31
  any
• 43:32
  one
• 43:32
  of
• 43:33
  the
• 43:33
  topics
• 43:33
  that
• 43:34
  we
• 43:34
  mentioned
• 43:34
  that
• 43:34
  you
• 43:34
  think
• 43:34
  is
• 43:35
  particularly
• 43:36
  irrelevant
• 43:37
  to
• 43:37
  your
• 43:37
  life?
• 43:37
  Like,
• 43:38
  specifically,
• 43:38
  I
• 43:39
  mean,
• 43:39
  to
• 43:39
  my
• 43:39
  life.
• 43:39
  It's
• 43:39
  a
• 43:40
  whole
• 43:40
  lot,
• 43:40
  you
• 43:40
  know,
• 43:40
  not
• 43:41
  necessarily,
• 43:41
  but,
• 43:41
  you
• 43:41
  know,
• 43:42
  thinking
• 43:42
  about,
• 43:42
  like,
• 43:42
  how
• 43:43
  I
• 43:43
  conduct
• 43:43
  my.
• 43:43
  My
• 43:44
  job
• 43:44
  day
• 43:45
  to
• 43:45
  day.
• 43:45
  Right.
• 43:45
  I,
• 43:46
  you
• 43:46
  know,
• 43:46
  I'm
• 43:46
  not,
• 43:46
  like
• 43:46
  I
• 43:46
  said,
• 43:47
  you
• 43:48
  know,
• 43:48
  a
• 43:48
  particular
• 43:48
  model
• 43:49
  of
• 43:49
  the
• 43:49
  end
• 43:49
  times,
• 43:49
  a
• 43:50
  particular
• 43:50
  model
• 43:50
  of
• 43:51
  atonement.
• 43:53
  Maybe
• 43:53
  I'm
• 43:53
  just
• 43:53
  not
• 43:53
  a
• 43:53
  good
• 43:54
  enough
• 43:54
  theologian,
• 43:55
  but
• 43:56
  I'm
• 43:56
  not
• 43:57
  really
• 43:57
  sure
• 43:58
  how
• 43:58
  I
• 43:58
  would
• 43:59
  do
• 43:59
  my
• 43:59
  job
• 43:59
  differently
• 43:59
  under
• 44:00
  different
• 44:00
  circumstances.
• 44:01
  I
• 44:01
  guess
• 44:01
  there's
• 44:02
  a
• 44:02
  certain
• 44:02
  nihilism
• 44:03
  that
• 44:03
  comes
• 44:03
  with
• 44:03
  a
• 44:04
  certain
• 44:04
  very
• 44:04
  extreme
• 44:05
  view
• 44:05
  of
• 44:05
  eschatology
• 44:06
  that
• 44:07
  I
• 44:08
  might
• 44:08
  just
• 44:08
  not
• 44:08
  do
• 44:08
  my
• 44:08
  job
• 44:09
  if
• 44:09
  I
• 44:09
  didn't
• 44:09
  think
• 44:09
  that
• 44:10
  there
• 44:10
  was
• 44:10
  any
• 44:10
  way
• 44:10
  that
• 44:11
  I
• 44:11
  could
• 44:11
  positively
• 44:12
  impact
• 44:13
  the
• 44:13
  world
• 44:13
  or
• 44:13
  something
• 44:14
  like
• 44:14
  that,
• 44:14
  but
• 44:16
  that's
• 44:16
  a
• 44:16
  fairly
• 44:16
  extreme
• 44:17
  view
• 44:17
  that
• 44:17
  I'm
• 44:17
  not
• 44:17
  sure
• 44:18
  anybody
• 44:20
  seriously
• 44:20
  holds
• 44:20
  to.
• 44:21
  Right.
• 44:22
  Do
• 44:23
  you
• 44:23
  think,
• 44:24
  or
• 44:24
  what
• 44:24
  would
• 44:24
  you
• 44:24
  rather
• 44:25
  our
• 44:25
  church
• 44:26
  and
• 44:26
  like
• 44:26
  our
• 44:26
  pastors,
• 44:27
  theologians,
• 44:27
  focus
• 44:28
  on
• 44:29
  just,
• 44:29
  you
• 44:29
  know,
• 44:30
  more
• 44:30
  to
• 44:31
  cater
• 44:31
  towards
• 44:31
  people
• 44:31
  like
• 44:31
  you?
• 44:33
  Yeah,
• 44:34
  I
• 44:34
  mean,
• 44:34
  so,
• 44:35
  you
• 44:35
  know,
• 44:36
  as
• 44:36
  a
• 44:36
  person
• 44:37
  like
• 44:37
  me,
• 44:38
  I
• 44:38
  see,
• 44:39
  you
• 44:39
  know,
• 44:39
  value
• 44:40
  in
• 44:40
  theology
• 44:40
  of
• 44:41
  all
• 44:41
  kinds.
• 44:41
  Right.
• 44:41
  And
• 44:42
  as
• 44:42
  somebody
• 44:42
  who
• 44:43
  is
• 44:43
  enthusiastic
• 44:44
  for
• 44:45
  basic
• 44:45
  science
• 44:45
  and
• 44:45
  curiosity
• 44:46
  driven
• 44:46
  science
• 44:47
  for
• 44:47
  the,
• 44:47
  for
• 44:47
  its
• 44:47
  own
• 44:47
  sake,
• 44:48
  I
• 44:48
  certainly
• 44:48
  wouldn't
• 44:48
  want
• 44:49
  to
• 44:49
  discourage
• 44:49
  anybody
• 44:51
  from
• 44:51
  curiosity
• 44:52
  driven
• 44:52
  theology
• 44:53
  for
• 44:53
  its
• 44:53
  own
• 44:53
  sake.
• 44:54
  Right.
• 44:54
  So
• 44:55
  even
• 44:55
  if
• 44:56
  the
• 44:56
  question
• 44:56
  of,
• 44:57
  you
• 44:58
  know,
• 44:58
  what,
• 44:58
  what
• 44:59
  actually
• 44:59
  happened
• 44:59
  on
• 44:59
  the
• 45:00
  cross,
• 45:00
  what
• 45:00
  was
• 45:00
  the
• 45:00
  model
• 45:01
  of
• 45:01
  atonement
• 45:01
  or
• 45:01
  the
• 45:01
  question
• 45:02
  of
• 45:02
  what's
• 45:02
  coming
• 45:02
  in
• 45:03
  the
• 45:03
  future
• 45:03
  for
• 45:04
  all
• 45:04
  of
• 45:04
  us,
• 45:04
  even
• 45:05
  if
• 45:05
  that
• 45:05
  might
• 45:05
  not
• 45:05
  change
• 45:06
  what
• 45:07
  I'm
• 45:07
  practically
• 45:07
  doing
• 45:08
  from
• 45:08
  moment
• 45:08
  to
• 45:08
  moment,
• 45:09
  doesn't
• 45:09
  necessarily
• 45:09
  mean
• 45:09
  that
• 45:09
  it's
• 45:09
  a,
• 45:10
  it's
• 45:10
  not
• 45:10
  a
• 45:10
  worthwhile
• 45:11
  investigation.
• 45:12
  Doesn't
• 45:12
  mean
• 45:12
  it's
• 45:12
  not
• 45:13
  interesting
• 45:13
  academically,
• 45:14
  intellectually
• 45:14
  and
• 45:14
  so
• 45:14
  forth.
• 45:15
  So
• 45:15
  I,
• 45:16
  you
• 45:16
  know,
• 45:16
  I
• 45:16
  don't
• 45:17
  want
• 45:17
  to,
• 45:17
  I
• 45:17
  wouldn't
• 45:17
  want
• 45:17
  to
• 45:18
  dictate,
• 45:19
  you
• 45:19
  know,
• 45:19
  anybody's
• 45:20
  particular
• 45:20
  theological
• 45:21
  preferences
• 45:21
  or
• 45:22
  directions
• 45:22
  and
• 45:22
  so
• 45:22
  forth.
• 45:23
  I
• 45:23
  think
• 45:23
  those
• 45:23
  are
• 45:23
  all
• 45:23
  valid
• 45:24
  topics
• 45:24
  to
• 45:25
  explore
• 45:25
  and,
• 45:26
  you
• 45:26
  know,
• 45:26
  learning
• 45:26
  more
• 45:27
  about
• 45:27
  God,
• 45:27
  knowing
• 45:28
  more
• 45:28
  about
• 45:28
  God
• 45:28
  and
• 45:29
  who
• 45:30
  God
• 45:30
  is
• 45:30
  and
• 45:30
  what
• 45:30
  God
• 45:31
  is
• 45:31
  like,
• 45:31
  you
• 45:32
  know,
• 45:32
  I
• 45:32
  wouldn't,
• 45:33
  I
• 45:33
  wouldn't
• 45:33
  discourage
• 45:34
  any
• 45:34
  of
• 45:34
  that,
• 45:36
  you
• 45:36
  know,
• 45:36
  I
• 45:37
  think.
• 45:37
  But,
• 45:38
  you
• 45:38
  know,
• 45:38
  thinking
• 45:39
  about
• 45:39
  myself
• 45:40
  as
• 45:40
  a
• 45:40
  public
• 45:40
  health
• 45:41
  person,
• 45:41
  as
• 45:42
  a
• 45:42
  scientist
• 45:42
  and
• 45:43
  what
• 45:43
  might
• 45:43
  cater
• 45:43
  to
• 45:43
  me
• 45:44
  specifically,
• 45:45
  you
• 45:45
  know,
• 45:45
  I
• 45:46
  think
• 45:46
  that
• 45:47
  what
• 45:47
  I
• 45:47
  would
• 45:47
  like
• 45:47
  to
• 45:47
  see
• 45:48
  is
• 45:49
  when
• 45:50
  there
• 45:50
  are
• 45:50
  intersections
• 45:51
  with
• 45:51
  science,
• 45:53
  you
• 45:53
  know,
• 45:53
  being
• 45:54
  willing
• 45:54
  to
• 45:54
  engage
• 45:55
  with
• 45:55
  people
• 45:55
  who
• 45:56
  have
• 45:57
  technical
• 45:57
  expertise
• 45:58
  and
• 45:58
  technical
• 45:59
  knowledge.
• 46:00
  I
• 46:00
  have,
• 46:01
  I
• 46:01
  have
• 46:02
  sat
• 46:02
  in
• 46:02
  sermons
• 46:02
  and
• 46:03
  heard
• 46:03
  people
• 46:03
  preach
• 46:04
  on
• 46:04
  biology
• 46:05
  and
• 46:05
  heard
• 46:05
  people
• 46:05
  preach
• 46:05
  incorrectly
• 46:06
  on
• 46:06
  biology
• 46:07
  and
• 46:07
  tried
• 46:07
  to
• 46:07
  explain
• 46:08
  afterwards,
• 46:09
  you
• 46:09
  know,
• 46:09
  if
• 46:10
  you
• 46:10
  wouldn't
• 46:10
  go
• 46:11
  up
• 46:11
  in
• 46:11
  front
• 46:11
  of
• 46:11
  the
• 46:11
  church
• 46:12
  and
• 46:12
  say,
• 46:12
  look,
• 46:12
  I
• 46:13
  know
• 46:13
  we
• 46:13
  have
• 46:13
  these
• 46:14
  fantastic
• 46:14
  musicians
• 46:15
  in
• 46:15
  our
• 46:15
  church
• 46:16
  and
• 46:16
  they
• 46:16
  can
• 46:16
  sing
• 46:17
  and
• 46:17
  they
• 46:17
  can
• 46:17
  play
• 46:17
  the
• 46:17
  piano
• 46:18
  well
• 46:18
  and
• 46:18
  all
• 46:18
  these
• 46:18
  different
• 46:19
  things,
• 46:19
  and
• 46:20
  that's
• 46:20
  great,
• 46:20
  I'm
• 46:20
  glad
• 46:21
  that
• 46:21
  they're
• 46:21
  here,
• 46:21
  but
• 46:22
  we're
• 46:22
  gonna
• 46:22
  do
• 46:22
  worship
• 46:23
  now
• 46:23
  and
• 46:23
  I'm
• 46:23
  going
• 46:24
  to
• 46:24
  sit
• 46:24
  down
• 46:24
  at
• 46:24
  the
• 46:24
  piano
• 46:25
  and
• 46:25
  play
• 46:25
  and
• 46:25
  sing
• 46:26
  and
• 46:27
  that
• 46:27
  will
• 46:27
  be
• 46:27
  fine.
• 46:27
  And
• 46:28
  then,
• 46:28
  you
• 46:28
  know,
• 46:28
  know
• 46:28
  go
• 46:28
  through
• 46:29
  and,
• 46:29
  you
• 46:30
  know,
• 46:30
  provide
• 46:31
  an
• 46:31
  off
• 46:31
  key,
• 46:32
  you
• 46:33
  know,
• 46:33
  rendition.
• 46:33
  Right.
• 46:33
  That
• 46:33
  wouldn't,
• 46:34
  we
• 46:35
  would
• 46:35
  never
• 46:35
  do
• 46:35
  that.
• 46:35
  That
• 46:36
  would
• 46:36
  be,
• 46:36
  we
• 46:36
  would
• 46:36
  know
• 46:36
  that
• 46:37
  that
• 46:37
  would
• 46:37
  be
• 46:37
  so
• 46:37
  insulting
• 46:38
  to
• 46:38
  the
• 46:38
  talented
• 46:39
  musicians
• 46:40
  who
• 46:40
  have
• 46:40
  put
• 46:40
  years
• 46:41
  and
• 46:41
  years
• 46:41
  of
• 46:41
  practice
• 46:42
  into
• 46:42
  being
• 46:42
  musicians.
• 46:44
  But
• 46:44
  When
• 46:44
  I
• 46:44
  try
• 46:45
  to
• 46:45
  explain
• 46:45
  that,
• 46:45
  I
• 46:45
  just
• 46:45
  kind
• 46:46
  of
• 46:46
  got
• 46:46
  like,
• 46:46
  you
• 46:47
  know,
• 46:47
  dead
• 46:47
  looks
• 46:48
  like.
• 46:48
  But
• 46:48
  of
• 46:48
  course,
• 46:49
  it's
• 46:49
  not
• 46:49
  the
• 46:49
  same
• 46:49
  thing
• 46:50
  because
• 46:50
  I
• 46:50
  didn't
• 46:50
  sing.
• 46:50
  I
• 46:51
  talked
• 46:51
  about
• 46:51
  science.
• 46:51
  And
• 46:52
  that's,
• 46:52
  you
• 46:52
  know,
• 46:52
  everybody's
• 46:53
  allowed
• 46:53
  to
• 46:53
  have
• 46:53
  their.
• 46:54
  Their
• 46:54
  thoughts
• 46:54
  and
• 46:54
  their
• 46:54
  opinions
• 46:55
  about
• 46:55
  these
• 46:55
  topics.
• 46:56
  Okay.
• 46:57
  But,
• 46:58
  yeah,
• 46:58
  I
• 46:58
  mean,
• 46:58
  that's.
• 46:59
  That's
• 46:59
  how
• 46:59
  I've
• 47:00
  felt
• 47:00
  in
• 47:00
  the
• 47:00
  past,
• 47:00
  for
• 47:01
  what.
• 47:01
  For
• 47:01
  whatever
• 47:01
  that's
• 47:02
  worth.
• 47:02
  And
• 47:02
  I
• 47:03
  would
• 47:03
  like
• 47:03
  to
• 47:03
  see
• 47:04
  fewer
• 47:05
  people
• 47:05
  feel
• 47:05
  like
• 47:05
  that
• 47:05
  in
• 47:06
  the
• 47:06
  future,
• 47:06
  if
• 47:06
  that's
• 47:06
  at
• 47:07
  all
• 47:07
  possible.
• 47:08
  Yeah,
• 47:08
  yeah.
• 47:08
  No,
• 47:09
  I
• 47:09
  actually.
• 47:09
  I
• 47:10
  really
• 47:10
  love
• 47:10
  that.
• 47:11
  I.
• 47:12
  And
• 47:12
  we've
• 47:12
  had
• 47:13
  Frank
• 47:13
  Viola
• 47:13
  on
• 47:14
  our
• 47:14
  podcast
• 47:14
  a
• 47:14
  few
• 47:14
  other
• 47:15
  times,
• 47:15
  so
• 47:15
  check
• 47:16
  him
• 47:16
  out
• 47:16
  if
• 47:16
  you
• 47:16
  guys
• 47:17
  will.
• 47:17
  He's
• 47:17
  a
• 47:17
  little
• 47:17
  bit
• 47:17
  more
• 47:18
  conservative,
• 47:18
  but
• 47:18
  he
• 47:19
  helps
• 47:19
  write
• 47:19
  a
• 47:19
  book
• 47:20
  called
• 47:20
  Pagan
• 47:21
  Christianity
• 47:21
  where
• 47:21
  they
• 47:21
  kind
• 47:21
  of
• 47:22
  show
• 47:22
  how
• 47:22
  the
• 47:22
  church
• 47:23
  somehow
• 47:23
  became
• 47:23
  this
• 47:24
  place
• 47:24
  where,
• 47:24
  like,
• 47:24
  it
• 47:24
  revolves
• 47:25
  around
• 47:25
  one
• 47:25
  person
• 47:26
  doing
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  speech
• 47:26
  and
• 47:26
  it's
• 47:27
  like
• 47:27
  a
• 47:27
  show,
• 47:27
  and
• 47:28
  that's
• 47:28
  not
• 47:28
  what
• 47:28
  the
• 47:28
  church
• 47:28
  started
• 47:29
  off
• 47:29
  as.
• 47:30
  So
• 47:30
  I
• 47:30
  like
• 47:30
  this
• 47:30
  idea
• 47:31
  of
• 47:31
  more
• 47:31
  people
• 47:31
  participating
• 47:32
  in
• 47:32
  different
• 47:32
  ways,
• 47:32
  whether
• 47:33
  it
• 47:33
  be
• 47:33
  our
• 47:33
  scientists
• 47:33
  to
• 47:33
  talk
• 47:34
  about
• 47:34
  scientific
• 47:34
  issues
• 47:35
  rather
• 47:35
  than
• 47:36
  someone
• 47:36
  who
• 47:36
  maybe
• 47:37
  doesn't
• 47:37
  have
• 47:37
  expertise
• 47:38
  in
• 47:38
  that
• 47:38
  field.
• 47:38
  Or,
• 47:39
  you
• 47:39
  know,
• 47:39
  like
• 47:40
  you
• 47:40
  mentioned
• 47:40
  pastors
• 47:40
  preaching
• 47:41
  about
• 47:41
  biology,
• 47:41
  not
• 47:41
  knowing
• 47:41
  anything
• 47:42
  about
• 47:42
  it.
• 47:42
  Your
• 47:42
  pastor's
• 47:43
  preaching
• 47:43
  the
• 47:43
  Bible.
• 47:43
  And
• 47:44
  I'm
• 47:44
  like,
• 47:44
  I
• 47:44
  kind
• 47:45
  of
• 47:45
  wish
• 47:45
  you
• 47:45
  would
• 47:45
  stop
• 47:45
  at
• 47:45
  exalt
• 47:46
  a
• 47:46
  Bible
• 47:46
  expert
• 47:47
  first,
• 47:47
  because
• 47:48
  even
• 47:48
  the
• 47:48
  stuff
• 47:48
  that's,
• 47:49
  like,
• 47:49
  maybe
• 47:49
  seems
• 47:49
  inconsequential
• 47:50
  that
• 47:50
  you
• 47:50
  get
• 47:51
  wrong.
• 47:51
  I'm
• 47:51
  like,
• 47:52
  no,
• 47:52
  that's
• 47:52
  just
• 47:53
  incorrect.
• 47:53
  That's
• 47:54
  not
• 47:54
  actually
• 47:54
  what
• 47:54
  it
• 47:55
  says.
• 47:55
  Or,
• 47:55
  you
• 47:55
  know,
• 47:56
  I'm
• 47:56
  like,
• 47:56
  I
• 47:57
  don't
• 47:57
  think
• 47:57
  you
• 47:57
  read
• 47:57
  this
• 47:58
  other
• 47:58
  passage
• 47:58
  that
• 47:58
  says
• 47:59
  Saul's
• 47:59
  name,
• 48:00
  who
• 48:00
  was
• 48:00
  also
• 48:00
  Paul.
• 48:00
  That's
• 48:00
  the
• 48:01
  thing,
• 48:01
  they
• 48:01
  get
• 48:01
  wrong
• 48:01
  a
• 48:01
  lot,
• 48:01
  right?
• 48:01
  Where
• 48:02
  people,
• 48:02
  like,
• 48:02
  when
• 48:02
  Saul's
• 48:03
  name
• 48:03
  changed,
• 48:03
  like,
• 48:04
  it
• 48:04
  didn't
• 48:04
  stop
• 48:04
  preaching.
• 48:05
  That
• 48:05
  Bible
• 48:06
  doesn't
• 48:06
  say
• 48:06
  that.
• 48:08
  And
• 48:09
  it's
• 48:09
  just
• 48:09
  stuff
• 48:09
  like
• 48:09
  that.
• 48:10
  Or
• 48:10
  even,
• 48:10
  you
• 48:10
  know,
• 48:10
  when
• 48:10
  preachers
• 48:11
  preach
• 48:11
  about,
• 48:11
  like,
• 48:11
  the
• 48:12
  Buddha
• 48:12
  and
• 48:12
  how
• 48:12
  he's
• 48:13
  their
• 48:13
  God.
• 48:13
  And
• 48:13
  I'm
• 48:13
  like,
• 48:14
  he's
• 48:14
  not,
• 48:14
  though.
• 48:15
  You
• 48:15
  know,
• 48:16
  like,
• 48:16
  we
• 48:16
  expect
• 48:16
  our
• 48:16
  TV
• 48:17
  shows
• 48:17
  to
• 48:17
  go
• 48:17
  to
• 48:18
  scientific
• 48:18
  experts,
• 48:18
  religious
• 48:19
  experts
• 48:19
  for
• 48:20
  philosophy,
• 48:20
  people
• 48:20
  on
• 48:21
  hand
• 48:21
  so
• 48:21
  that
• 48:21
  they
• 48:22
  get
• 48:22
  stuff
• 48:22
  right.
• 48:22
  But
• 48:22
  for
• 48:23
  some
• 48:23
  reason,
• 48:23
  when
• 48:23
  a
• 48:24
  preacher
• 48:24
  gets
• 48:24
  up
• 48:24
  to
• 48:24
  tell
• 48:25
  a
• 48:25
  congregation
• 48:25
  what
• 48:25
  is
• 48:26
  truth,
• 48:28
  the
• 48:28
  same
• 48:28
  expectation
• 48:29
  isn't
• 48:29
  put
• 48:29
  on
• 48:29
  them,
• 48:29
  that's
• 48:30
  on
• 48:30
  our
• 48:30
  entertainment
• 48:31
  of
• 48:32
  simply
• 48:32
  just
• 48:32
  getting
• 48:32
  stuff
• 48:33
  right,
• 48:33
  you
• 48:33
  know,
• 48:34
  I
• 48:34
  don't
• 48:34
  know.
• 48:35
  That
• 48:35
  was
• 48:35
  just
• 48:36
  a
• 48:36
  little
• 48:36
  bit
• 48:36
  of
• 48:36
  a
• 48:36
  side
• 48:36
  tangent,
• 48:36
  I
• 48:37
  guess.
• 48:37
  Anyway,
• 48:37
  each
• 48:38
  of
• 48:38
  us
• 48:38
  see
• 48:38
  the
• 48:38
  world
• 48:39
  through
• 48:39
  different
• 48:39
  eyes,
• 48:39
  right?
• 48:39
  Like
• 48:40
  something
• 48:40
  we
• 48:40
  talked
• 48:40
  a
• 48:41
  lot
• 48:41
  about
• 48:41
  on
• 48:41
  this
• 48:41
  series
• 48:41
  is,
• 48:43
  you
• 48:43
  know,
• 48:43
  you
• 48:43
  as
• 48:43
  a
• 48:43
  scientist
• 48:44
  and
• 48:44
  how
• 48:44
  you
• 48:44
  live
• 48:44
  your
• 48:44
  daily
• 48:45
  life,
• 48:45
  you
• 48:45
  see
• 48:45
  the
• 48:45
  world
• 48:45
  differently
• 48:46
  than
• 48:46
  someone
• 48:47
  like
• 48:47
  me
• 48:47
  who
• 48:47
  works
• 48:48
  in
• 48:48
  food.
• 48:48
  How
• 48:49
  we
• 48:49
  see
• 48:49
  the
• 48:49
  world
• 48:50
  going
• 48:50
  through
• 48:50
  our
• 48:50
  life.
• 48:51
  Is
• 48:52
  there
• 48:52
  anything
• 48:52
  in
• 48:52
  your
• 48:53
  work
• 48:53
  that
• 48:53
  you
• 48:53
  think
• 48:53
  that
• 48:54
  you
• 48:54
  see
• 48:54
  that
• 48:55
  our
• 48:55
  pastors,
• 48:55
  church
• 48:55
  leaders,
• 48:56
  theologians,
• 48:56
  might
• 48:56
  benefit
• 48:57
  from
• 48:57
  seeing
• 48:57
  for
• 48:57
  themselves
• 48:58
  or
• 48:58
  learning
• 48:59
  more
• 48:59
  about
• 48:59
  that
• 49:00
  maybe
• 49:00
  they
• 49:00
  don't
• 49:00
  see
• 49:01
  in
• 49:01
  their
• 49:02
  regular
• 49:02
  daily
• 49:02
  lives?
• 49:03
  Yeah,
• 49:04
  I
• 49:04
  had
• 49:05
  occasion
• 49:05
  to
• 49:05
  talk
• 49:06
  with
• 49:06
  Will
• 49:06
  a
• 49:06
  little
• 49:06
  bit
• 49:07
  about
• 49:07
  this,
• 49:07
  and
• 49:07
  it
• 49:07
  was
• 49:08
  kind
• 49:08
  of
• 49:08
  actually
• 49:08
  even
• 49:09
  exploring
• 49:10
  a
• 49:10
  little
• 49:10
  bit
• 49:10
  as
• 49:10
  we
• 49:10
  were
• 49:10
  talking
• 49:11
  and
• 49:11
  hadn't
• 49:11
  quite
• 49:11
  articulated
• 49:12
  it
• 49:12
  in
• 49:12
  this
• 49:12
  way
• 49:12
  before,
• 49:13
  but
• 49:14
  one
• 49:15
  of
• 49:15
  the
• 49:15
  things
• 49:15
  that
• 49:15
  I
• 49:16
  have
• 49:16
  to
• 49:16
  do
• 49:16
  for
• 49:16
  my
• 49:16
  job
• 49:16
  periodically
• 49:17
  is,
• 49:18
  you
• 49:18
  know,
• 49:18
  we
• 49:18
  get
• 49:18
  this
• 49:18
  text
• 49:18
  data
• 49:19
  of
• 49:19
  why
• 49:19
  do
• 49:19
  people
• 49:19
  go
• 49:19
  to
• 49:20
  the
• 49:20
  hospital?
• 49:20
  And
• 49:21
  we
• 49:21
  have
• 49:21
  to
• 49:21
  identify
• 49:22
  new
• 49:22
  categories
• 49:23
  in
• 49:23
  that
• 49:23
  data
• 49:23
  and
• 49:23
  find
• 49:24
  new
• 49:24
  things
• 49:24
  that
• 49:24
  we
• 49:24
  hadn't
• 49:24
  been
• 49:25
  looking
• 49:25
  for
• 49:25
  before.
• 49:27
  You
• 49:27
  know,
• 49:27
  for
• 49:28
  example,
• 49:28
  drug
• 49:28
  overdoses.
• 49:29
  We
• 49:29
  didn't
• 49:29
  used
• 49:29
  to
• 49:29
  work
• 49:30
  with
• 49:30
  those,
• 49:30
  but,
• 49:32
  you
• 49:32
  know,
• 49:32
  became
• 49:32
  a
• 49:33
  bigger
• 49:33
  and
• 49:33
  bigger
• 49:33
  concern.
• 49:34
  And
• 49:35
  our
• 49:35
  data
• 49:36
  was
• 49:36
  able
• 49:36
  to
• 49:36
  provide
• 49:37
  up
• 49:38
  to
• 49:38
  date
• 49:38
  information
• 49:39
  at
• 49:39
  a
• 49:39
  time
• 49:39
  when
• 49:39
  that
• 49:39
  was
• 49:40
  harder
• 49:40
  to
• 49:40
  get.
• 49:40
  And
• 49:41
  so,
• 49:41
  you
• 49:41
  know,
• 49:41
  it
• 49:41
  was
• 49:41
  a
• 49:42
  new
• 49:42
  thing
• 49:42
  that
• 49:42
  we
• 49:42
  had
• 49:42
  to
• 49:42
  take
• 49:42
  on.
• 49:42
  So
• 49:43
  periodically
• 49:43
  I
• 49:43
  have
• 49:43
  to
• 49:44
  go
• 49:44
  through
• 49:44
  this
• 49:44
  text
• 49:44
  data
• 49:45
  and
• 49:46
  I'll
• 49:46
  look
• 49:46
  through
• 49:47
  tens
• 49:48
  of
• 49:48
  thousands,
• 49:48
  hundreds
• 49:49
  of
• 49:49
  thousands
• 49:50
  of
• 49:51
  these
• 49:51
  short
• 49:51
  little
• 49:52
  descriptions
• 49:52
  of
• 49:52
  why
• 49:52
  people
• 49:52
  went
• 49:53
  to
• 49:53
  the
• 49:53
  hospital.
• 49:53
  And
• 49:53
  by
• 49:53
  and
• 49:54
  large,
• 49:54
  what
• 49:54
  I'm
• 49:54
  getting
• 49:54
  is
• 49:54
  a
• 49:55
  very,
• 49:55
  very
• 49:55
  concentrated
• 49:56
  dose
• 49:56
  of
• 49:57
  everybody's
• 49:58
  top
• 49:58
  five,
• 49:58
  10
• 49:59
  worst
• 49:59
  days
• 49:59
  of
• 49:59
  their
• 50:00
  lives,
• 50:00
  right?
• 50:03
  There
• 50:03
  are
• 50:03
  some
• 50:04
  people,
• 50:04
  obviously,
• 50:04
  that
• 50:04
  go
• 50:05
  to
• 50:05
  the
• 50:05
  ED
• 50:05
  more
• 50:05
  often
• 50:06
  that
• 50:06
  are
• 50:06
  experiencing
• 50:07
  chronic
• 50:07
  illnesses.
• 50:08
  And
• 50:09
  there
• 50:09
  are
• 50:09
  some
• 50:09
  trips
• 50:09
  to
• 50:09
  the
• 50:09
  ED
• 50:10
  that
• 50:10
  are
• 50:10
  not
• 50:10
  that
• 50:10
  big
• 50:11
  of
• 50:11
  a
• 50:11
  deal.
• 50:11
  You
• 50:11
  had
• 50:12
  a
• 50:12
  small
• 50:12
  injury
• 50:13
  or
• 50:13
  a
• 50:14
  little
• 50:14
  bit
• 50:14
  of
• 50:14
  a
• 50:14
  fever
• 50:14
  and
• 50:16
  you'll
• 50:16
  be
• 50:16
  fine.
• 50:17
  But
• 50:17
  by
• 50:18
  and
• 50:18
  large,
• 50:18
  if
• 50:18
  you're
• 50:18
  in
• 50:18
  the
• 50:18
  emergency
• 50:19
  department,
• 50:20
  that's
• 50:20
  one
• 50:20
  of
• 50:20
  the
• 50:20
  worst
• 50:20
  days
• 50:21
  of
• 50:21
  your
• 50:21
  life.
• 50:21
  You've
• 50:21
  been
• 50:21
  in
• 50:21
  some
• 50:22
  kind
• 50:22
  of
• 50:22
  bad
• 50:22
  car
• 50:22
  accident,
• 50:23
  you're
• 50:23
  having
• 50:23
  some
• 50:23
  kind
• 50:23
  of
• 50:23
  health
• 50:23
  crisis.
• 50:25
  Even
• 50:25
  if
• 50:25
  it's
• 50:26
  just
• 50:26
  kind
• 50:26
  of
• 50:26
  that
• 50:26
  emotional,
• 50:27
  like
• 50:27
  something
• 50:27
  is
• 50:27
  going
• 50:28
  on
• 50:28
  with
• 50:28
  my
• 50:28
  body
• 50:28
  that
• 50:28
  I
• 50:29
  don't
• 50:29
  get.
• 50:30
  That's
• 50:31
  a
• 50:31
  tough
• 50:31
  day.
• 50:31
  And
• 50:32
  so
• 50:32
  getting
• 50:32
  that
• 50:32
  concentrated
• 50:33
  dose
• 50:33
  of
• 50:34
  tens
• 50:34
  of
• 50:34
  thousands,
• 50:34
  hundreds,
• 50:35
  thousands
• 50:35
  of
• 50:35
  people's
• 50:36
  worst
• 50:37
  moments,
• 50:38
  that's
• 50:38
  a
• 50:38
  tough
• 50:38
  thing
• 50:38
  to
• 50:38
  deal
• 50:38
  with
• 50:39
  kind
• 50:39
  of
• 50:39
  emotionally,
• 50:39
  mentally.
• 50:41
  And
• 50:41
  so,
• 50:42
  you
• 50:42
  know,
• 50:42
  but
• 50:43
  it's.
• 50:43
  And
• 50:43
  thinking
• 50:44
  through
• 50:44
  that
• 50:44
  and
• 50:44
  thinking
• 50:45
  about
• 50:45
  that,
• 50:45
  it's
• 50:45
  given
• 50:45
  me
• 50:46
  opportunity
• 50:46
  to
• 50:46
  reflect
• 50:46
  on,
• 50:47
  you
• 50:47
  know,
• 50:47
  the
• 50:48
  experience
• 50:49
  that
• 50:49
  God
• 50:49
  must
• 50:49
  have
• 50:50
  of
• 50:50
  having
• 50:51
  a
• 50:51
  much
• 50:51
  more,
• 50:51
  you
• 50:52
  know,
• 50:52
  than
• 50:52
  just
• 50:52
  a
• 50:52
  little
• 50:53
  text
• 50:53
  blurb
• 50:54
  awareness
• 50:55
  of
• 50:55
  what
• 50:55
  people,
• 50:56
  you
• 50:56
  know,
• 50:57
  both
• 50:57
  the
• 50:57
  joys
• 50:58
  and
• 50:58
  the
• 50:58
  happiness
• 50:58
  and
• 50:59
  the,
• 50:59
  you
• 50:59
  know,
• 50:59
  top
• 50:59
  10
• 50:59
  days,
• 51:00
  positive
• 51:00
  days
• 51:00
  of
• 51:01
  people's
• 51:01
  lives
• 51:02
  and
• 51:02
  the,
• 51:02
  you
• 51:02
  know,
• 51:02
  the
• 51:03
  top
• 51:03
  10
• 51:03
  worst
• 51:03
  days
• 51:03
  of
• 51:03
  people's
• 51:04
  lives
• 51:04
  that
• 51:04
  we're
• 51:04
  all
• 51:04
  going
• 51:05
  through
• 51:05
  all
• 51:05
  the
• 51:05
  time.
• 51:05
  There's
• 51:06
  always,
• 51:06
  you
• 51:07
  know,
• 51:07
  I
• 51:07
  don't
• 51:07
  know
• 51:08
  how
• 51:08
  many
• 51:08
  millions
• 51:08
  of
• 51:08
  people
• 51:08
  experiencing
• 51:09
  their
• 51:09
  worst
• 51:09
  day
• 51:10
  of
• 51:10
  their
• 51:10
  life
• 51:11
  at
• 51:11
  any
• 51:11
  given
• 51:11
  time
• 51:12
  right
• 51:12
  around
• 51:13
  the
• 51:13
  world.
• 51:13
  And
• 51:14
  you
• 51:14
  know,
• 51:15
  how
• 51:15
  God
• 51:15
  experienced
• 51:16
  that
• 51:16
  exactly?
• 51:17
  Like
• 51:17
  I
• 51:18
  said,
• 51:18
  I
• 51:18
  don't
• 51:18
  really
• 51:18
  know
• 51:18
  for
• 51:19
  sure.
• 51:20
  But,
• 51:20
  you
• 51:21
  know,
• 51:21
  scripture
• 51:22
  testifies
• 51:22
  that
• 51:22
  to
• 51:23
  some
• 51:23
  extent,
• 51:23
  you
• 51:24
  know,
• 51:24
  in
• 51:24
  some
• 51:25
  fashion,
• 51:25
  God
• 51:27
  is
• 51:27
  aware
• 51:27
  of
• 51:27
  our
• 51:28
  suffering
• 51:28
  and
• 51:28
  our
• 51:28
  joys
• 51:29
  and,
• 51:30
  you
• 51:30
  know,
• 51:31
  is
• 51:31
  sensitive
• 51:32
  to
• 51:32
  those
• 51:32
  things.
• 51:33
  And
• 51:33
  so
• 51:34
  what,
• 51:34
  you
• 51:34
  know,
• 51:34
  what
• 51:34
  must
• 51:34
  that
• 51:34
  be
• 51:35
  like?
• 51:35
  And
• 51:35
  again,
• 51:35
  not
• 51:35
  trying
• 51:36
  to
• 51:36
  say
• 51:36
  that
• 51:36
  I'm
• 51:36
  experiencing
• 51:37
  something
• 51:37
  the
• 51:37
  same
• 51:37
  way
• 51:37
  that
• 51:38
  God
• 51:38
  has,
• 51:38
  but
• 51:38
  it's
• 51:39
  a
• 51:39
  different
• 51:39
  kind
• 51:40
  of
• 51:40
  human
• 51:40
  experience
• 51:40
  that
• 51:41
  maybe
• 51:41
  helps
• 51:41
  us
• 51:41
  to
• 51:41
  think
• 51:42
  a
• 51:42
  little
• 51:42
  bit
• 51:42
  differently
• 51:43
  about
• 51:44
  what
• 51:45
  God's
• 51:45
  perspective
• 51:45
  might
• 51:46
  be
• 51:46
  like.
• 51:46
  Yeah.
• 51:48
  Also
• 51:48
  for
• 51:48
  those
• 51:48
  wondering,
• 51:49
  he
• 51:49
  mentioned
• 51:49
  Will,
• 51:50
  that
• 51:50
  Pastor
• 51:50
  Will
• 51:51
  Rose.
• 51:51
  He's
• 51:51
  my
• 51:52
  pastor.
• 51:53
  We
• 51:53
  also
• 51:53
  mention
• 51:53
  him
• 51:54
  every
• 51:54
  episode
• 51:54
  now,
• 51:54
  apparently.
• 51:56
  And
• 51:56
  they
• 51:57
  will.
• 51:57
  And
• 51:58
  Andy
• 51:58
  did
• 51:59
  an
• 51:59
  episode,
• 52:00
  a
• 52:00
  YouTube
• 52:00
  exclusive
• 52:01
  for
• 52:01
  systematic
• 52:01
  Ecology,
• 52:02
  talking
• 52:02
  about
• 52:02
  Andy's
• 52:03
  book.
• 52:03
  So
• 52:03
  I
• 52:03
  think
• 52:03
  that's
• 52:03
  kind
• 52:03
  of
• 52:03
  where
• 52:04
  they
• 52:04
  got
• 52:04
  into
• 52:04
  some
• 52:04
  of
• 52:04
  that
• 52:04
  if
• 52:04
  you
• 52:05
  guys
• 52:05
  want
• 52:05
  to
• 52:05
  check
• 52:05
  it
• 52:05
  out.
• 52:06
  Hopefully
• 52:06
  I
• 52:06
  remember
• 52:06
  to
• 52:07
  put
• 52:07
  that
• 52:07
  link
• 52:07
  in
• 52:07
  the
• 52:07
  show
• 52:07
  notes,
• 52:07
  but
• 52:09
  I'm
• 52:09
  bad
• 52:09
  at
• 52:09
  that,
• 52:09
  so
• 52:09
  don't
• 52:10
  count
• 52:10
  on
• 52:10
  it.
• 52:10
  Yeah,
• 52:11
  yeah.
• 52:12
  All
• 52:12
  right.
• 52:12
  So
• 52:13
  are
• 52:13
  there
• 52:13
  any
• 52:13
  questions
• 52:14
  that
• 52:14
  we
• 52:14
  might
• 52:14
  have
• 52:15
  missed
• 52:15
  that
• 52:15
  you
• 52:15
  think
• 52:16
  people
• 52:16
  might
• 52:16
  want
• 52:17
  to
• 52:17
  know
• 52:17
  about
• 52:18
  you
• 52:18
  or
• 52:19
  your
• 52:19
  work
• 52:19
  as
• 52:19
  a
• 52:19
  public
• 52:20
  health
• 52:20
  official?
• 52:22
  You
• 52:22
  know,
• 52:22
  I
• 52:22
  think,
• 52:22
  I
• 52:22
  think
• 52:23
  we've
• 52:23
  touched
• 52:23
  on
• 52:23
  the
• 52:24
  basics
• 52:24
  of
• 52:25
  what
• 52:26
  I
• 52:26
  do.
• 52:27
  You
• 52:27
  know,
• 52:28
  it
• 52:28
  is
• 52:28
  a
• 52:28
  very
• 52:29
  unusual
• 52:30
  kind
• 52:30
  of
• 52:30
  job,
• 52:30
  as
• 52:30
  I've
• 52:30
  kind
• 52:30
  of
• 52:30
  hinted
• 52:31
  at.
• 52:31
  Right.
• 52:31
  It's
• 52:32
  at
• 52:32
  this
• 52:32
  intersection
• 52:32
  of
• 52:33
  software
• 52:33
  and
• 52:33
  software
• 52:33
  engineering
• 52:34
  and
• 52:34
  statistical
• 52:34
  analysis
• 52:35
  and
• 52:36
  data
• 52:37
  engineering
• 52:38
  and
• 52:38
  data
• 52:39
  science
• 52:39
  and
• 52:39
  also
• 52:40
  public
• 52:40
  health
• 52:40
  and
• 52:40
  biology
• 52:41
  and,
• 52:42
  you
• 52:42
  know,
• 52:43
  so
• 52:43
  it.
• 52:43
  You
• 52:43
  guys
• 52:44
  are
• 52:44
  basically
• 52:44
  hitting
• 52:44
  multiple
• 52:45
  jobs
• 52:45
  at
• 52:45
  once.
• 52:46
  Yeah.
• 52:47
  Just
• 52:47
  so
• 52:47
  you
• 52:47
  know,
• 52:49
  when
• 52:49
  I,
• 52:50
  when
• 52:50
  I
• 52:50
  applied
• 52:51
  for
• 52:51
  this,
• 52:51
  for
• 52:51
  this
• 52:51
  job,
• 52:52
  they
• 52:52
  told
• 52:53
  me,
• 52:53
  well,
• 52:53
  we
• 52:53
  didn't
• 52:53
  really
• 52:54
  have
• 52:54
  an
• 52:54
  opening
• 52:54
  for
• 52:54
  somebody
• 52:55
  like
• 52:55
  you
• 52:55
  because
• 52:55
  we
• 52:55
  didn't
• 52:56
  know
• 52:56
  that
• 52:56
  somebody
• 52:56
  like
• 52:56
  you
• 52:56
  existed.
• 52:59
  Yeah.
• 52:59
  But,
• 53:00
  yeah,
• 53:00
  so,
• 53:00
  you
• 53:00
  know,
• 53:01
  it's
• 53:01
  always.
• 53:01
  There's
• 53:02
  always
• 53:02
  something
• 53:02
  new
• 53:02
  going
• 53:02
  on.
• 53:02
  There's
• 53:03
  always
• 53:03
  something
• 53:03
  interesting
• 53:04
  to
• 53:05
  work
• 53:05
  on.
• 53:06
  But
• 53:06
  yeah,
• 53:07
  hopefully
• 53:09
  folks
• 53:10
  have
• 53:10
  a
• 53:10
  little
• 53:10
  better
• 53:10
  awareness
• 53:11
  that
• 53:11
  this
• 53:11
  is.
• 53:12
  There's
• 53:12
  a
• 53:12
  whole
• 53:13
  community
• 53:13
  of
• 53:13
  people
• 53:13
  who
• 53:13
  are
• 53:13
  sitting
• 53:14
  out
• 53:14
  there
• 53:15
  at
• 53:16
  a
• 53:16
  second
• 53:16
  kind
• 53:17
  of
• 53:17
  level
• 53:17
  removed
• 53:17
  from
• 53:18
  your
• 53:18
  doctors.
• 53:18
  Right.
• 53:18
  Obviously
• 53:19
  you've
• 53:19
  got
• 53:19
  doctors
• 53:19
  and
• 53:19
  nurses
• 53:20
  and
• 53:20
  other
• 53:20
  clinicians
• 53:21
  who
• 53:21
  care
• 53:21
  about
• 53:21
  your
• 53:22
  specific
• 53:22
  personality,
• 53:23
  health
• 53:23
  and
• 53:24
  well
• 53:24
  being.
• 53:24
  But
• 53:25
  then
• 53:25
  there's
• 53:25
  this
• 53:25
  whole
• 53:25
  Other
• 53:25
  level
• 53:26
  of
• 53:26
  people
• 53:26
  that
• 53:26
  are
• 53:26
  trying
• 53:26
  to
• 53:26
  think
• 53:27
  about
• 53:27
  how
• 53:27
  do
• 53:27
  we.
• 53:28
  How
• 53:29
  do
• 53:29
  we
• 53:29
  make
• 53:29
  things
• 53:29
  better
• 53:29
  for
• 53:30
  whole
• 53:30
  groups
• 53:30
  and
• 53:30
  communities
• 53:31
  and
• 53:31
  neighborhoods
• 53:31
  and
• 53:31
  states
• 53:32
  and
• 53:32
  counties
• 53:33
  and,
• 53:34
  you
• 53:34
  know,
• 53:34
  hopefully
• 53:34
  that
• 53:34
  that's
• 53:35
  a
• 53:35
  positive
• 53:35
  thing
• 53:35
  to
• 53:36
  think
• 53:36
  about,
• 53:36
  that,
• 53:36
  you
• 53:36
  know,
• 53:37
  that
• 53:37
  these
• 53:37
  folks,
• 53:38
  you
• 53:38
  know,
• 53:38
  they
• 53:39
  may
• 53:39
  not
• 53:40
  always
• 53:40
  achieve
• 53:40
  it
• 53:40
  in
• 53:41
  the.
• 53:41
  To
• 53:42
  the
• 53:42
  best
• 53:42
  that
• 53:42
  they.
• 53:43
  They
• 53:43
  want
• 53:43
  to
• 53:43
  or
• 53:43
  the.
• 53:44
  To
• 53:44
  the
• 53:44
  degree
• 53:44
  that
• 53:45
  they
• 53:45
  want
• 53:45
  to,
• 53:45
  but
• 53:45
  they
• 53:45
  are
• 53:46
  trying
• 53:46
  to
• 53:46
  figure
• 53:46
  out
• 53:46
  how
• 53:46
  to
• 53:47
  make
• 53:47
  things
• 53:48
  better
• 53:48
  for
• 53:49
  all
• 53:49
  of
• 53:49
  us,
• 53:49
  how
• 53:49
  to
• 53:50
  improve
• 53:51
  our
• 53:51
  health,
• 53:51
  how
• 53:51
  to
• 53:51
  improve
• 53:52
  our
• 53:52
  environments
• 53:52
  and
• 53:53
  our
• 53:53
  communities
• 53:54
  so
• 53:54
  that
• 53:54
  we
• 53:54
  can
• 53:54
  all
• 53:55
  flourish
• 53:55
  a
• 53:55
  little
• 53:56
  bit
• 53:56
  more.
• 53:57
  And.
• 53:58
  Yeah,
• 53:59
  you
• 53:59
  know,
• 53:59
  and
• 53:59
  it
• 54:00
  really
• 54:00
  kind
• 54:00
  of
• 54:01
  grieved
• 54:01
  me
• 54:01
  a
• 54:02
  bit
• 54:02
  when,
• 54:02
  you
• 54:02
  know,
• 54:03
  to
• 54:03
  see
• 54:03
  these
• 54:03
  folks
• 54:04
  get
• 54:04
  demonized
• 54:04
  so
• 54:04
  much
• 54:05
  and,
• 54:05
  you
• 54:05
  know,
• 54:06
  the
• 54:06
  idea
• 54:06
  that,
• 54:06
  like,
• 54:06
  oh,
• 54:07
  they
• 54:07
  don't
• 54:07
  want
• 54:07
  us
• 54:07
  going
• 54:07
  out
• 54:07
  and
• 54:08
  hanging
• 54:08
  out
• 54:08
  in
• 54:08
  restaurants
• 54:09
  or
• 54:09
  getting
• 54:09
  together.
• 54:09
  I'm
• 54:10
  like,
• 54:10
  if
• 54:10
  only
• 54:10
  you
• 54:11
  knew
• 54:11
  you
• 54:11
  could
• 54:11
  talk
• 54:11
  to
• 54:12
  some
• 54:12
  of
• 54:12
  these
• 54:12
  people,
• 54:12
  like,
• 54:12
  they
• 54:12
  would
• 54:13
  be
• 54:13
  the
• 54:13
  first
• 54:13
  person
• 54:13
  to
• 54:14
  go
• 54:14
  to
• 54:14
  you
• 54:14
  with
• 54:15
  a
• 54:15
  bar,
• 54:15
  have
• 54:15
  a
• 54:15
  drink
• 54:15
  with
• 54:15
  you,
• 54:16
  chat
• 54:16
  with
• 54:16
  you.
• 54:16
  They
• 54:16
  would
• 54:17
  love
• 54:17
  nothing
• 54:17
  more
• 54:17
  than
• 54:18
  to
• 54:18
  see
• 54:18
  you
• 54:18
  get
• 54:19
  to
• 54:19
  socialize
• 54:19
  and
• 54:19
  be
• 54:19
  happy
• 54:20
  and
• 54:22
  would
• 54:22
  gladly
• 54:23
  do
• 54:23
  it
• 54:23
  with
• 54:23
  you
• 54:23
  if
• 54:24
  you
• 54:24
  were
• 54:24
  so
• 54:24
  inclined.
• 54:25
  But,
• 54:26
  yeah,
• 54:26
  I
• 54:27
  think
• 54:28
  there
• 54:28
  are
• 54:28
  a
• 54:28
  few
• 54:28
  people
• 54:29
  that
• 54:29
  I've
• 54:29
  met
• 54:29
  more
• 54:30
  who
• 54:30
  are
• 54:30
  more
• 54:31
  just
• 54:31
  kind
• 54:31
  of
• 54:33
  thinking
• 54:33
  about
• 54:34
  how
• 54:34
  do
• 54:34
  we
• 54:34
  make
• 54:34
  things
• 54:35
  better
• 54:35
  for
• 54:35
  everybody
• 54:36
  all
• 54:36
  the
• 54:36
  time.
• 54:37
  Yeah.
• 54:37
  I
• 54:37
  do
• 54:38
  have
• 54:38
  one
• 54:38
  question.
• 54:40
  As
• 54:40
  the
• 54:40
  chief
• 54:41
  science
• 54:41
  officer,
• 54:42
  do
• 54:42
  you
• 54:42
  get,
• 54:42
  like,
• 54:42
  a
• 54:43
  big
• 54:43
  fancy
• 54:43
  desk?
• 54:44
  You
• 54:44
  got
• 54:44
  a
• 54:44
  name
• 54:44
  for
• 54:45
  gimbal?
• 54:46
  So
• 54:47
  I
• 54:47
  got
• 54:47
  the
• 54:48
  job
• 54:48
  title
• 54:48
  that
• 54:48
  I
• 54:48
  have.
• 54:49
  My
• 54:49
  boss
• 54:50
  said
• 54:50
  it
• 54:50
  was
• 54:50
  about
• 54:51
  60,
• 54:51
  40
• 54:51
  between
• 54:53
  it
• 54:53
  was
• 54:53
  appropriate
• 54:54
  promotion
• 54:54
  in
• 54:54
  the
• 54:55
  sort
• 54:55
  of
• 54:55
  corporate
• 54:56
  advancement
• 54:57
  sense
• 54:58
  and
• 54:59
  wanting
• 54:59
  to
• 54:59
  give
• 54:59
  me
• 54:59
  a
• 55:00
  job
• 55:00
  title
• 55:00
  that
• 55:00
  was
• 55:01
  the
• 55:01
  same
• 55:01
  as
• 55:01
  Mr.
• 55:01
  Spocks
• 55:02
  on
• 55:02
  Star
• 55:02
  Trek.
• 55:03
  Yes.
• 55:06
  So
• 55:07
  fantastic.
• 55:08
  We
• 55:08
  are
• 55:09
  a
• 55:09
  small
• 55:10
  software
• 55:10
  company
• 55:13
  and,
• 55:14
  well,
• 55:15
  we
• 55:15
  don't
• 55:15
  have
• 55:15
  to
• 55:15
  go
• 55:15
  there,
• 55:15
  but,
• 55:16
  yeah,
• 55:16
  we
• 55:16
  are
• 55:17
  a
• 55:17
  small
• 55:17
  software
• 55:17
  company.
• 55:17
  We've
• 55:18
  been
• 55:18
  about
• 55:18
  the
• 55:18
  same
• 55:19
  size
• 55:19
  the
• 55:20
  whole
• 55:20
  time
• 55:20
  that
• 55:20
  I've
• 55:20
  been
• 55:20
  there.
• 55:21
  So,
• 55:22
  you
• 55:22
  know,
• 55:22
  I'm
• 55:23
  not
• 55:23
  in
• 55:23
  some
• 55:23
  fake
• 55:23
  fancy
• 55:24
  corner
• 55:24
  office.
• 55:26
  I
• 55:26
  don't
• 55:26
  even
• 55:27
  have
• 55:28
  a
• 55:28
  door
• 55:29
  on
• 55:29
  my
• 55:29
  office.
• 55:30
  This
• 55:30
  private
• 55:30
  suite
• 55:31
  kind
• 55:31
  of
• 55:31
  thing.
• 55:32
  I
• 55:32
  do
• 55:32
  have,
• 55:32
  you
• 55:33
  know,
• 55:33
  a
• 55:33
  nice.
• 55:33
  Yet
• 55:34
  you
• 55:34
  don't
• 55:34
  have
• 55:34
  it
• 55:34
  yet.
• 55:35
  Yet.
• 55:36
  My
• 55:37
  desk
• 55:37
  is
• 55:37
  bigger
• 55:38
  than.
• 55:39
  My
• 55:39
  desk
• 55:40
  in
• 55:40
  my
• 55:40
  office
• 55:40
  at
• 55:40
  work
• 55:40
  is
• 55:41
  bigger
• 55:41
  than
• 55:42
  other
• 55:42
  desks
• 55:42
  that
• 55:43
  I've
• 55:43
  had
• 55:43
  before.
• 55:43
  So
• 55:43
  I
• 55:43
  guess
• 55:44
  I
• 55:44
  would
• 55:44
  say
• 55:44
  there's
• 55:44
  a
• 55:44
  big
• 55:44
  desk,
• 55:45
  but
• 55:45
  it's
• 55:45
  not
• 55:46
  like,
• 55:46
  you
• 55:46
  know,
• 55:47
  it's
• 55:47
  certainly
• 55:47
  nothing,
• 55:47
  you
• 55:48
  know,
• 55:48
  one
• 55:48
  of
• 55:48
  these,
• 55:48
  like,
• 55:49
  solid
• 55:49
  wood
• 55:50
  kind
• 55:50
  of.
• 55:50
  Right.
• 55:51
  You
• 55:51
  know,
• 55:51
  those
• 55:52
  aren't
• 55:52
  real.
• 55:53
  No
• 55:53
  one
• 55:53
  has
• 55:53
  that.
• 55:54
  Yeah.
• 55:54
  I'm
• 55:55
  literally
• 55:55
  recording
• 55:56
  on
• 55:56
  that
• 55:56
  desk
• 55:56
  right
• 55:57
  now,
• 55:57
  a
• 55:57
  solid
• 55:58
  wood,
• 55:58
  big
• 55:59
  desk.
• 55:59
  Yeah,
• 56:00
  but
• 56:00
  it's
• 56:00
  not
• 56:00
  that
• 56:00
  solid.
• 56:00
  It's
• 56:01
  broken.
• 56:01
  I
• 56:01
  mean,
• 56:01
  that's
• 56:02
  true,
• 56:02
  but
• 56:02
  that's
• 56:02
  because
• 56:03
  I
• 56:03
  moved
• 56:03
  it
• 56:03
  several
• 56:03
  times
• 56:04
  and
• 56:04
  I
• 56:04
  broke
• 56:04
  it.
• 56:05
  I'm
• 56:05
  just
• 56:05
  that
• 56:05
  powerful.
• 56:06
  That's
• 56:06
  different.
• 56:09
  Anyway,
• 56:09
  the,
• 56:10
  you
• 56:10
  know,
• 56:10
  one
• 56:10
  thing
• 56:10
  we
• 56:11
  usually
• 56:11
  do
• 56:11
  on
• 56:11
  this
• 56:11
  show
• 56:12
  before
• 56:12
  wrapping
• 56:13
  up
• 56:13
  is
• 56:14
  to
• 56:14
  ask
• 56:14
  our
• 56:14
  guests
• 56:14
  if
• 56:15
  they
• 56:15
  could
• 56:15
  provide
• 56:15
  a
• 56:15
  single
• 56:16
  tangible
• 56:16
  action
• 56:18
  for
• 56:18
  those
• 56:18
  listening
• 56:19
  that
• 56:19
  they
• 56:19
  could
• 56:19
  go
• 56:19
  to
• 56:19
  help
• 56:19
  church
• 56:20
  unity,
• 56:20
  you
• 56:20
  know,
• 56:20
  whatever.
• 56:21
  But
• 56:21
  instead,
• 56:21
  for
• 56:22
  this
• 56:22
  series,
• 56:23
  we've
• 56:23
  been
• 56:23
  asking
• 56:23
  people,
• 56:24
  people,
• 56:25
  if
• 56:25
  someone
• 56:25
  in
• 56:26
  the
• 56:26
  church
• 56:26
  or
• 56:26
  the
• 56:26
  church
• 56:26
  itself
• 56:27
  could
• 56:27
  do
• 56:28
  something
• 56:28
  to
• 56:28
  help
• 56:28
  you
• 56:28
  specifically
• 56:29
  or
• 56:29
  like
• 56:30
  someone
• 56:30
  like
• 56:30
  you
• 56:30
  or
• 56:31
  in
• 56:31
  your
• 56:31
  career
• 56:31
  that
• 56:31
  works
• 56:32
  with
• 56:32
  public
• 56:32
  health,
• 56:33
  what's
• 56:33
  something
• 56:33
  the
• 56:34
  church
• 56:34
  could
• 56:34
  do
• 56:34
  that
• 56:35
  would
• 56:35
  be
• 56:35
  beneficial
• 56:36
  to
• 56:36
  people
• 56:36
  like
• 56:37
  you,
• 56:37
  Andy,
• 56:38
  or
• 56:38
  someone
• 56:39
  in
• 56:39
  the
• 56:39
  church?
• 56:39
  Yeah,
• 56:40
  you
• 56:40
  know,
• 56:40
  I
• 56:40
  think
• 56:41
  that,
• 56:41
  you
• 56:42
  know,
• 56:42
  something
• 56:43
  that
• 56:43
  public
• 56:43
  health
• 56:43
  folks
• 56:44
  could
• 56:44
  always
• 56:45
  use
• 56:45
  is
• 56:46
  just
• 56:46
  a
• 56:46
  little
• 56:47
  more
• 56:47
  encouragement
• 56:48
  and
• 56:50
  appreciation
• 56:50
  or
• 56:51
  gratefulness.
• 56:51
  Right.
• 56:51
  So
• 56:52
  when
• 56:52
  you're,
• 56:53
  when
• 56:53
  you're
• 56:53
  a
• 56:53
  physician
• 56:54
  and
• 56:54
  you
• 56:54
  help
• 56:54
  somebody
• 56:55
  get
• 56:55
  better,
• 56:55
  right.
• 56:55
  You
• 56:56
  see
• 56:56
  that
• 56:56
  you
• 56:56
  have
• 56:56
  some
• 56:57
  direct
• 56:57
  connection
• 56:58
  to,
• 56:58
  oh,
• 56:58
  look,
• 56:59
  that
• 56:59
  person
• 56:59
  is
• 56:59
  now
• 56:59
  healthy
• 57:00
  because
• 57:00
  I,
• 57:00
  you
• 57:01
  know,
• 57:01
  gave
• 57:01
  them
• 57:02
  this
• 57:02
  medicine
• 57:02
  or
• 57:02
  performed
• 57:03
  the
• 57:03
  surgery,
• 57:03
  what
• 57:03
  have
• 57:03
  you.
• 57:04
  Right.
• 57:05
  The
• 57:05
  best
• 57:05
  that
• 57:05
  I
• 57:06
  can
• 57:06
  do
• 57:06
  working
• 57:07
  in
• 57:07
  public
• 57:07
  health,
• 57:07
  and
• 57:07
  especially
• 57:08
  since
• 57:08
  I'm
• 57:08
  kind
• 57:08
  of
• 57:08
  like
• 57:08
  even
• 57:08
  one
• 57:09
  step
• 57:09
  removed
• 57:09
  from
• 57:09
  frontline
• 57:10
  public
• 57:10
  health
• 57:11
  is,
• 57:11
  well,
• 57:12
  hopefully
• 57:13
  like
• 57:13
  100,000
• 57:14
  people
• 57:15
  are
• 57:16
  like
• 57:16
  1
• 57:16
  point
• 57:17
  or
• 57:17
  zero
• 57:17
  0.1%
• 57:19
  better
• 57:20
  off
• 57:20
  today
• 57:21
  than
• 57:21
  they
• 57:21
  were
• 57:21
  last
• 57:22
  year
• 57:22
  or
• 57:22
  whatever.
• 57:22
  Right.
• 57:23
  And
• 57:23
  so
• 57:23
  maybe
• 57:23
  hopefully
• 57:24
  that
• 57:24
  all
• 57:24
  those,
• 57:24
  you
• 57:24
  know,
• 57:25
  little.00001s
• 57:26
  add
• 57:27
  up
• 57:27
  to
• 57:29
  something.
• 57:29
  But
• 57:30
  it's
• 57:30
  very
• 57:30
  abstract,
• 57:31
  it's
• 57:31
  very
• 57:33
  indirect
• 57:34
  and
• 57:35
  diffuse.
• 57:36
  And
• 57:36
  so,
• 57:37
  yeah,
• 57:37
  just
• 57:37
  kind
• 57:37
  of
• 57:37
  saying
• 57:38
  to
• 57:38
  somebody,
• 57:38
  hey,
• 57:38
  I
• 57:39
  know
• 57:39
  that
• 57:39
  I
• 57:40
  don't
• 57:40
  know
• 57:40
  what
• 57:40
  exactly
• 57:41
  you've
• 57:41
  done
• 57:41
  done
• 57:41
  to
• 57:41
  help
• 57:42
  me
• 57:42
  personally,
• 57:42
  but
• 57:43
  I
• 57:43
  know
• 57:43
  that
• 57:43
  you're
• 57:43
  working
• 57:43
  hard
• 57:44
  to
• 57:44
  help
• 57:44
  people
• 57:45
  and
• 57:45
  I
• 57:45
  appreciate
• 57:46
  that
• 57:46
  and
• 57:46
  thank
• 57:46
  you
• 57:46
  for
• 57:46
  that.
• 57:46
  You
• 57:47
  know,
• 57:47
  if
• 57:47
  you
• 57:47
  know
• 57:47
  somebody
• 57:47
  who
• 57:48
  works
• 57:48
  in
• 57:48
  or
• 57:48
  around
• 57:49
  public
• 57:49
  health
• 57:50
  and
• 57:50
  obviously
• 57:50
  also,
• 57:51
  you
• 57:51
  know,
• 57:51
  healthcare,
• 57:52
  frontline
• 57:52
  healthcare
• 57:53
  workers
• 57:53
  and
• 57:53
  all
• 57:53
  those
• 57:53
  folks,
• 57:54
  you
• 57:54
  know,
• 57:54
  deserve
• 57:54
  all
• 57:55
  the
• 57:55
  thanks
• 57:56
  and
• 57:56
  appreciation
• 57:56
  that
• 57:56
  we
• 57:57
  can
• 57:57
  give
• 57:57
  them
• 57:57
  too.
• 57:57
  But
• 57:58
  yeah,
• 57:58
  if
• 57:58
  you
• 57:59
  know
• 57:59
  somebody
• 57:59
  in
• 57:59
  public
• 57:59
  health
• 58:01
  just,
• 58:01
  you
• 58:01
  know,
• 58:02
  every
• 58:02
  once
• 58:02
  in
• 58:02
  a
• 58:02
  while
• 58:02
  that,
• 58:03
  that
• 58:03
  little,
• 58:03
  hey,
• 58:04
  I'm
• 58:04
  glad
• 58:04
  that
• 58:04
  you
• 58:04
  do
• 58:05
  what
• 58:05
  you
• 58:05
  do,
• 58:05
  and
• 58:06
  obviously
• 58:06
  everybody
• 58:06
  would,
• 58:07
  would
• 58:07
  benefit
• 58:07
  from
• 58:07
  that.
• 58:08
  But
• 58:08
  just
• 58:08
  kind
• 58:08
  of,
• 58:09
  I
• 58:09
  think
• 58:09
  public
• 58:10
  health,
• 58:10
  because
• 58:10
  of
• 58:10
  that
• 58:10
  abstraction,
• 58:11
  because
• 58:11
  of
• 58:11
  that
• 58:12
  removal
• 58:12
  from
• 58:13
  any
• 58:13
  kind
• 58:13
  of
• 58:13
  tangible,
• 58:15
  direct
• 58:15
  results,
• 58:16
  it's
• 58:17
  always,
• 58:17
  it's
• 58:17
  always
• 58:17
  needed.
• 58:18
  Yeah.
• 58:19
  Well,
• 58:19
  we
• 58:19
  do
• 58:19
  appreciate
• 58:20
  you
• 58:20
  and
• 58:21
  what
• 58:21
  you
• 58:21
  do,
• 58:21
  for
• 58:21
  the
• 58:22
  record.
• 58:22
  Well,
• 58:23
  thank
• 58:23
  you.
• 58:23
  Yeah,
• 58:24
  it's
• 58:24
  true.
• 58:25
  And
• 58:25
  what
• 58:25
  do
• 58:25
  you
• 58:25
  think
• 58:26
  we
• 58:26
  would
• 58:26
  see
• 58:26
  change
• 58:26
  in
• 58:27
  the
• 58:27
  world
• 58:27
  around
• 58:27
  us
• 58:27
  if
• 58:27
  everyone
• 58:28
  started
• 58:28
  doing
• 58:28
  that?
• 58:29
  You
• 58:29
  know,
• 58:29
  just
• 58:30
  being
• 58:30
  thankful
• 58:31
  to
• 58:31
  our
• 58:32
  local
• 58:33
  or
• 58:33
  not
• 58:33
  local
• 58:34
  public
• 58:35
  health
• 58:35
  officials?
• 58:36
  Well,
• 58:37
  I
• 58:37
  mean,
• 58:37
  I
• 58:38
  think
• 58:38
  we
• 58:38
  would
• 58:39
  maybe
• 58:39
  develop
• 58:40
  a
• 58:40
  greater
• 58:41
  collective
• 58:42
  appreciation
• 58:42
  and
• 58:43
  understanding
• 58:43
  for
• 58:43
  what
• 58:44
  public
• 58:44
  health
• 58:45
  is
• 58:45
  and
• 58:45
  does
• 58:45
  and
• 58:46
  has
• 58:46
  been
• 58:46
  doing
• 58:47
  and
• 58:47
  why
• 58:47
  it's
• 58:48
  been
• 58:48
  one
• 58:48
  of
• 58:48
  the
• 58:48
  best
• 58:49
  investments
• 58:49
  we've
• 58:49
  made
• 58:49
  over
• 58:50
  the
• 58:50
  past
• 58:50
  century
• 58:51
  and
• 58:51
  why
• 58:52
  it
• 58:52
  would
• 58:52
  be
• 58:52
  worth
• 58:52
  continuing
• 58:53
  to
• 58:53
  invest
• 58:53
  in
• 58:53
  and
• 58:53
  continuing
• 58:54
  to
• 58:54
  have
• 58:54
  people
• 58:55
  pursue.
• 58:55
  You
• 58:56
  know,
• 58:56
  I
• 58:56
  think
• 58:56
  we're
• 58:56
  kind
• 58:56
  of
• 58:57
  at
• 58:57
  a
• 58:57
  low
• 58:57
  point
• 58:57
  at
• 58:57
  the
• 58:57
  moment
• 58:58
  of
• 58:58
  why
• 58:59
  would
• 58:59
  anybody
• 58:59
  want
• 58:59
  to
• 58:59
  get
• 58:59
  into
• 59:00
  this
• 59:00
  job
• 59:00
  that,
• 59:02
  you
• 59:02
  know,
• 59:02
  when
• 59:02
  folks
• 59:03
  aren't
• 59:03
  even
• 59:03
  gonna
• 59:03
  listen
• 59:03
  to
• 59:04
  what
• 59:04
  you
• 59:04
  have
• 59:04
  to
• 59:04
  say
• 59:04
  or
• 59:05
  what
• 59:05
  have
• 59:05
  you?
• 59:05
  So,
• 59:05
  yeah,
• 59:05
  I
• 59:06
  think
• 59:06
  if,
• 59:06
  you
• 59:06
  know,
• 59:06
  if
• 59:06
  we
• 59:06
  could
• 59:07
  foster
• 59:07
  a
• 59:08
  little
• 59:08
  bit
• 59:08
  more
• 59:08
  appreciation,
• 59:09
  awareness
• 59:09
  of
• 59:09
  just
• 59:09
  what
• 59:10
  it
• 59:10
  is
• 59:10
  that
• 59:10
  public
• 59:10
  health
• 59:10
  does
• 59:11
  and
• 59:12
  why
• 59:13
  they
• 59:13
  do
• 59:13
  it,
• 59:14
  then,
• 59:15
  you
• 59:15
  know,
• 59:15
  maybe
• 59:15
  we'd
• 59:16
  have
• 59:16
  a.
• 59:16
  We'd
• 59:17
  be
• 59:17
  in
• 59:17
  good
• 59:17
  shape
• 59:17
  for
• 59:17
  the
• 59:18
  next
• 59:18
  generation
• 59:19
  of
• 59:19
  public
• 59:20
  health
• 59:20
  workers.
• 59:21
  Yeah.
• 59:21
  All
• 59:22
  right,
• 59:22
  so
• 59:24
  before
• 59:24
  we
• 59:24
  start
• 59:24
  to
• 59:24
  wrap
• 59:25
  up
• 59:25
  here,
• 59:25
  we
• 59:25
  like
• 59:26
  to
• 59:26
  do
• 59:26
  what
• 59:26
  we
• 59:26
  call
• 59:26
  the
• 59:26
  God
• 59:27
  moment,
• 59:28
  and
• 59:28
  we
• 59:28
  ask
• 59:29
  everyone
• 59:29
  to
• 59:29
  share
• 59:29
  a
• 59:29
  moment
• 59:30
  they
• 59:30
  saw
• 59:30
  God
• 59:30
  in
• 59:30
  recently,
• 59:31
  whether
• 59:31
  that
• 59:31
  be
• 59:31
  a
• 59:31
  blessing,
• 59:32
  a
• 59:32
  challenge,
• 59:32
  a
• 59:32
  moment
• 59:33
  of
• 59:33
  worship,
• 59:33
  what
• 59:34
  have
• 59:34
  you,
• 59:34
  what
• 59:34
  it
• 59:34
  may
• 59:35
  be.
• 59:36
  I
• 59:36
  always
• 59:36
  make
• 59:37
  Josh
• 59:37
  go
• 59:37
  first
• 59:37
  to
• 59:37
  give
• 59:38
  the
• 59:38
  rest
• 59:38
  of
• 59:39
  us
• 59:39
  enough
• 59:39
  time
• 59:39
  to
• 59:40
  think
• 59:40
  about
• 59:40
  a
• 59:40
  good
• 59:41
  moment
• 59:41
  where
• 59:41
  we
• 59:42
  saw
• 59:42
  God
• 59:42
  recently.
• 59:43
  So,
• 59:44
  Josh,
• 59:44
  do
• 59:45
  you
• 59:45
  have
• 59:45
  a
• 59:45
  God
• 59:45
  moment
• 59:45
  for
• 59:46
  us
• 59:46
  this
• 59:46
  week?
• 59:46
  Yes.
• 59:48
  It's
• 59:48
  going
• 59:48
  to
• 59:48
  be
• 59:49
  weird
• 59:49
  and
• 59:49
  maybe
• 59:49
  a
• 59:49
  little
• 59:49
  awkward.
• 59:50
  I
• 59:50
  don't
• 59:50
  know.
• 59:51
  My
• 59:51
  God
• 59:52
  moment
• 59:52
  this
• 59:52
  week
• 59:52
  is
• 59:53
  just
• 59:53
  like
• 59:54
  approximately
• 59:55
  an
• 59:55
  hour
• 59:56
  and
• 59:56
  10
• 59:56
  minutes
• 59:56
  ago.
• 59:57
  I
• 59:57
  was
• 59:57
  thinking
• 59:58
  about
• 59:58
  how
• 59:58
  thankful
• 59:59
  I
• 59:59
  am
• 59:59
  for
• 59:59
  this
• 1:00:00
  guy
• 1:00:00
  named
• 1:00:00
  tj,
• 1:00:00
  Tiberius
• 1:00:01
  Vaughn
• 1:00:01
  Blackwell.
• 1:00:03
  He
• 1:00:03
  just
• 1:00:03
  does
• 1:00:04
  a
• 1:00:04
  lot
• 1:00:04
  for
• 1:00:04
  different
• 1:00:04
  podcasts
• 1:00:05
  that
• 1:00:05
  I'm
• 1:00:05
  involved
• 1:00:05
  with.
• 1:00:05
  You
• 1:00:06
  know,
• 1:00:06
  I
• 1:00:06
  produce,
• 1:00:06
  I
• 1:00:06
  edit,
• 1:00:07
  I
• 1:00:07
  do
• 1:00:07
  all
• 1:00:07
  this
• 1:00:07
  stuff,
• 1:00:07
  and
• 1:00:08
  sometimes
• 1:00:08
  TJ
• 1:00:08
  is
• 1:00:08
  just
• 1:00:09
  like,
• 1:00:09
  he's
• 1:00:09
  the
• 1:00:09
  ground
• 1:00:10
  man,
• 1:00:10
  right?
• 1:00:10
  Like,
• 1:00:10
  he's,
• 1:00:10
  hey,
• 1:00:11
  we
• 1:00:11
  need
• 1:00:11
  somebody
• 1:00:11
  to
• 1:00:11
  jump
• 1:00:12
  in
• 1:00:12
  here.
• 1:00:12
  And
• 1:00:12
  he's
• 1:00:12
  like,
• 1:00:12
  yeah,
• 1:00:13
  I
• 1:00:13
  could
• 1:00:13
  do
• 1:00:13
  that.
• 1:00:13
  Yeah,
• 1:00:13
  I
• 1:00:13
  know
• 1:00:13
  enough
• 1:00:14
  to
• 1:00:14
  talk
• 1:00:14
  about
• 1:00:14
  that.
• 1:00:14
  Sure.
• 1:00:15
  And
• 1:00:16
  TJ
• 1:00:16
  says
• 1:00:17
  sure
• 1:00:17
  to
• 1:00:18
  so
• 1:00:18
  many
• 1:00:18
  wild,
• 1:00:19
  crazy
• 1:00:19
  ideas
• 1:00:19
  I
• 1:00:20
  have
• 1:00:20
  or
• 1:00:20
  just
• 1:00:20
  things
• 1:00:20
  that
• 1:00:21
  I
• 1:00:21
  need
• 1:00:21
  help
• 1:00:21
  with,
• 1:00:22
  and
• 1:00:22
  he
• 1:00:22
  makes
• 1:00:22
  my
• 1:00:23
  life
• 1:00:23
  a
• 1:00:23
  lot
• 1:00:23
  easier.
• 1:00:24
  And
• 1:00:24
  just
• 1:00:24
  think
• 1:00:25
  about
• 1:00:25
  how
• 1:00:25
  thankful
• 1:00:25
  I
• 1:00:25
  am
• 1:00:25
  for
• 1:00:26
  him
• 1:00:26
  and
• 1:00:26
  how
• 1:00:26
  I
• 1:00:27
  just
• 1:00:27
  don't
• 1:00:27
  say
• 1:00:27
  that
• 1:00:27
  enough,
• 1:00:28
  probably.
• 1:00:28
  So
• 1:00:29
  being
• 1:00:29
  on
• 1:00:29
  this
• 1:00:30
  podcast
• 1:00:30
  and
• 1:00:30
  getting
• 1:00:30
  the
• 1:00:30
  opportunity
• 1:00:31
  to
• 1:00:31
  thank
• 1:00:31
  TJ
• 1:00:31
  is.
• 1:00:32
  That's
• 1:00:32
  going
• 1:00:32
  to
• 1:00:32
  be
• 1:00:32
  my
• 1:00:32
  God
• 1:00:33
  moment.
• 1:00:33
  So
• 1:00:33
  thank
• 1:00:34
  you,
• 1:00:34
  dj.
• 1:00:35
  Yeah,
• 1:00:35
  you're
• 1:00:35
  welcome.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  So
• 1:00:39
  for
• 1:00:39
  me,
• 1:00:40
  my
• 1:00:40
  God
• 1:00:40
  moment,
• 1:00:41
  it's.
• 1:00:42
  It's
• 1:00:43
  a.
• 1:00:43
  It's
• 1:00:43
  a.
• 1:00:43
  It's
• 1:00:43
  a
• 1:00:43
  weird
• 1:00:44
  one,
• 1:00:44
  it's
• 1:00:44
  a
• 1:00:44
  different
• 1:00:44
  one.
• 1:00:46
  I've
• 1:00:46
  been
• 1:00:47
  so
• 1:00:47
  caught
• 1:00:47
  up
• 1:00:47
  in,
• 1:00:47
  like
• 1:00:48
  the
• 1:00:48
  cultural
• 1:00:48
  zeitgeist
• 1:00:49
  of,
• 1:00:50
  you
• 1:00:50
  know,
• 1:00:50
  just
• 1:00:51
  everything
• 1:00:51
  that's
• 1:00:51
  going
• 1:00:51
  on
• 1:00:51
  really,
• 1:00:52
  and
• 1:00:52
  how
• 1:00:53
  much
• 1:00:53
  attention
• 1:00:54
  has
• 1:00:54
  been
• 1:00:54
  diverted
• 1:00:55
  away
• 1:00:55
  from
• 1:00:56
  environmental
• 1:00:57
  health
• 1:00:58
  recently
• 1:00:58
  because
• 1:00:59
  of
• 1:00:59
  the
• 1:00:59
  pandemic
• 1:01:01
  and
• 1:01:02
  seeing
• 1:01:02
  it
• 1:01:03
  come
• 1:01:03
  back
• 1:01:04
  into
• 1:01:05
  the
• 1:01:05
  spotlight.
• 1:01:05
  Especially
• 1:01:06
  for
• 1:01:06
  us
• 1:01:06
  here
• 1:01:06
  in
• 1:01:07
  South
• 1:01:07
  Carolina,
• 1:01:07
  where
• 1:01:08
  we've
• 1:01:08
  got,
• 1:01:09
  you
• 1:01:09
  know,
• 1:01:09
  wildfires
• 1:01:10
  for
• 1:01:10
  the
• 1:01:10
  first
• 1:01:11
  time,
• 1:01:11
  like
• 1:01:11
  ever.
• 1:01:12
  Not
• 1:01:13
  actually
• 1:01:13
  ever,
• 1:01:13
  but
• 1:01:14
  definitely
• 1:01:14
  for
• 1:01:14
  the
• 1:01:14
  first
• 1:01:14
  time
• 1:01:15
  since
• 1:01:15
  I've
• 1:01:15
  been
• 1:01:15
  alive,
• 1:01:18
  it's
• 1:01:18
  been
• 1:01:18
  pretty
• 1:01:19
  eye
• 1:01:19
  opening
• 1:01:19
  to
• 1:01:19
  see
• 1:01:20
  people
• 1:01:20
  around
• 1:01:21
  me
• 1:01:21
  start
• 1:01:22
  to
• 1:01:22
  grapple
• 1:01:23
  with
• 1:01:23
  the
• 1:01:23
  idea
• 1:01:23
  of
• 1:01:23
  environmental
• 1:01:24
  health.
• 1:01:24
  And
• 1:01:24
  especially
• 1:01:25
  because
• 1:01:25
  I
• 1:01:26
  just
• 1:01:26
  the
• 1:01:26
  other
• 1:01:27
  day
• 1:01:27
  I
• 1:01:27
  found
• 1:01:27
  out,
• 1:01:28
  and
• 1:01:29
  this
• 1:01:29
  is.
• 1:01:29
  Well,
• 1:01:30
  I've
• 1:01:30
  always
• 1:01:30
  been
• 1:01:30
  such
• 1:01:30
  a
• 1:01:30
  big
• 1:01:31
  advocate
• 1:01:31
  for
• 1:01:31
  making
• 1:01:31
  your
• 1:01:32
  kids
• 1:01:32
  go
• 1:01:32
  play
• 1:01:32
  outside,
• 1:01:34
  but
• 1:01:34
  now
• 1:01:34
  it's
• 1:01:35
  just
• 1:01:35
  not
• 1:01:35
  all
• 1:01:35
  that
• 1:01:35
  safe.
• 1:01:37
  My
• 1:01:37
  roommate
• 1:01:38
  was
• 1:01:38
  going
• 1:01:38
  for
• 1:01:38
  a
• 1:01:38
  walk
• 1:01:38
  out
• 1:01:39
  behind
• 1:01:39
  our
• 1:01:39
  apartment
• 1:01:39
  complex.
• 1:01:40
  Just
• 1:01:41
  walking
• 1:01:41
  out
• 1:01:41
  down
• 1:01:41
  there
• 1:01:41
  because
• 1:01:42
  he
• 1:01:42
  likes
• 1:01:42
  to
• 1:01:42
  look
• 1:01:42
  around
• 1:01:43
  and
• 1:01:43
  see
• 1:01:43
  old
• 1:01:43
  stuff.
• 1:01:44
  Old,
• 1:01:44
  you
• 1:01:44
  know,
• 1:01:44
  rotted
• 1:01:45
  out
• 1:01:45
  buildings
• 1:01:45
  and
• 1:01:45
  stuff.
• 1:01:47
  And
• 1:01:47
  he
• 1:01:48
  found
• 1:01:48
  a
• 1:01:48
  chemical
• 1:01:49
  spill
• 1:01:49
  in
• 1:01:49
  our
• 1:01:50
  creek.
• 1:01:50
  Oh,
• 1:01:51
  yeah?
• 1:01:52
  Wait,
• 1:01:52
  what
• 1:01:52
  kind?
• 1:01:53
  Not
• 1:01:53
  sure
• 1:01:54
  yet.
• 1:01:55
  But
• 1:01:55
  now
• 1:01:55
  that's
• 1:01:56
  under
• 1:01:56
  investigation,
• 1:01:57
  so.
• 1:01:58
  Interesting.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah,
• 1:01:59
  that
• 1:01:59
  is
• 1:02:00
  not
• 1:02:00
  what
• 1:02:00
  I.
• 1:02:00
  Where
• 1:02:01
  I
• 1:02:01
  expected
• 1:02:01
  this
• 1:02:01
  to
• 1:02:01
  go,
• 1:02:01
  by
• 1:02:02
  the
• 1:02:02
  way.
• 1:02:02
  It's
• 1:02:02
  not,
• 1:02:02
  is
• 1:02:03
  it?
• 1:02:03
  Yeah,
• 1:02:03
  that's
• 1:02:03
  wild.
• 1:02:04
  But,
• 1:02:04
  you
• 1:02:05
  know,
• 1:02:05
  these
• 1:02:06
  other
• 1:02:06
  problems
• 1:02:07
  still
• 1:02:07
  exist.
• 1:02:07
  You
• 1:02:08
  know,
• 1:02:08
  it's
• 1:02:08
  nice
• 1:02:08
  to
• 1:02:09
  be
• 1:02:09
  out
• 1:02:09
  there,
• 1:02:09
  you
• 1:02:10
  know,
• 1:02:10
  community.
• 1:02:12
  Our
• 1:02:12
  country
• 1:02:12
  would
• 1:02:12
  fall
• 1:02:13
  apart
• 1:02:13
  if
• 1:02:13
  we
• 1:02:13
  weren't.
• 1:02:14
  Everyone
• 1:02:14
  wasn't
• 1:02:15
  trying
• 1:02:15
  to
• 1:02:15
  look
• 1:02:15
  out
• 1:02:15
  for
• 1:02:15
  each
• 1:02:16
  other
• 1:02:16
  at
• 1:02:16
  least
• 1:02:16
  a
• 1:02:16
  little
• 1:02:16
  bit.
• 1:02:17
  And
• 1:02:17
  I
• 1:02:18
  think
• 1:02:18
  that's
• 1:02:18
  kind
• 1:02:18
  of
• 1:02:18
  what's
• 1:02:19
  happening.
• 1:02:19
  So.
• 1:02:20
  Well,
• 1:02:20
  you
• 1:02:20
  know,
• 1:02:21
  do
• 1:02:21
  your
• 1:02:21
  part.
• 1:02:22
  Is
• 1:02:22
  that
• 1:02:22
  a
• 1:02:22
  blessing
• 1:02:23
  or
• 1:02:23
  a
• 1:02:23
  challenge?
• 1:02:23
  Like
• 1:02:23
  a
• 1:02:23
  blessing.
• 1:02:24
  We
• 1:02:24
  remember
• 1:02:24
  that.
• 1:02:25
  There's.
• 1:02:25
  There's
• 1:02:26
  other
• 1:02:26
  problems
• 1:02:27
  other
• 1:02:27
  than
• 1:02:27
  just
• 1:02:27
  Donald
• 1:02:28
  Trump.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah,
• 1:02:29
  yeah,
• 1:02:30
  yeah.
• 1:02:30
  He's
• 1:02:31
  the
• 1:02:31
  president.
• 1:02:31
  The
• 1:02:31
  only
• 1:02:31
  problem
• 1:02:32
  in
• 1:02:32
  the
• 1:02:32
  world.
• 1:02:32
  There's
• 1:02:33
  chemicals
• 1:02:33
  in
• 1:02:33
  my
• 1:02:33
  creek.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah.
• 1:02:36
  But
• 1:02:36
  that's
• 1:02:36
  getting
• 1:02:36
  dealt
• 1:02:37
  with.
• 1:02:37
  So,
• 1:02:38
  Andy,
• 1:02:39
  do
• 1:02:39
  you
• 1:02:39
  have
• 1:02:39
  a
• 1:02:39
  God
• 1:02:40
  moment
• 1:02:40
  for
• 1:02:40
  us
• 1:02:40
  this
• 1:02:40
  week?
• 1:02:42
  So
• 1:02:42
  we're
• 1:02:42
  making
• 1:02:43
  plans.
• 1:02:43
  My
• 1:02:43
  wife
• 1:02:44
  and
• 1:02:44
  my
• 1:02:44
  daughter
• 1:02:44
  and
• 1:02:44
  I
• 1:02:44
  are
• 1:02:45
  making
• 1:02:45
  plans
• 1:02:45
  to
• 1:02:45
  visit
• 1:02:45
  my
• 1:02:46
  parents
• 1:02:46
  for
• 1:02:47
  Easter
• 1:02:47
  weekend
• 1:02:48
  coming
• 1:02:48
  up.
• 1:02:49
  And
• 1:02:50
  kind
• 1:02:50
  of
• 1:02:50
  out
• 1:02:50
  of
• 1:02:50
  the
• 1:02:50
  blue,
• 1:02:51
  my
• 1:02:51
  daughter
• 1:02:52
  was
• 1:02:52
  asking
• 1:02:52
  me,
• 1:02:52
  hey,
• 1:02:53
  does
• 1:02:53
  grandma
• 1:02:53
  still
• 1:02:54
  run
• 1:02:54
  the
• 1:02:54
  Sunday
• 1:02:54
  school
• 1:02:54
  at
• 1:02:55
  her
• 1:02:55
  church?
• 1:02:55
  I
• 1:02:56
  was
• 1:02:56
  like,
• 1:02:56
  yeah,
• 1:02:56
  I
• 1:02:56
  think
• 1:02:56
  so.
• 1:02:57
  Or,
• 1:02:57
  you
• 1:02:57
  know,
• 1:02:57
  she's
• 1:02:57
  still
• 1:02:57
  involved,
• 1:02:58
  like.
• 1:02:58
  Okay.
• 1:02:59
  And
• 1:03:00
  you
• 1:03:00
  asked
• 1:03:01
  this
• 1:03:01
  because
• 1:03:01
  she's
• 1:03:02
  like,
• 1:03:02
  oh,
• 1:03:02
  yeah,
• 1:03:02
  because
• 1:03:02
  I
• 1:03:02
  wanted
• 1:03:03
  to,
• 1:03:03
  you
• 1:03:03
  know,
• 1:03:03
  see
• 1:03:03
  if
• 1:03:03
  she
• 1:03:03
  needed
• 1:03:04
  my
• 1:03:04
  help
• 1:03:05
  with
• 1:03:05
  Sunday
• 1:03:05
  school
• 1:03:06
  when
• 1:03:06
  we
• 1:03:06
  go
• 1:03:06
  see
• 1:03:07
  her.
• 1:03:08
  And,
• 1:03:08
  you
• 1:03:09
  know,
• 1:03:09
  in
• 1:03:09
  light
• 1:03:09
  of
• 1:03:10
  just,
• 1:03:10
  you
• 1:03:11
  know,
• 1:03:11
  without
• 1:03:11
  getting
• 1:03:11
  into
• 1:03:11
  all
• 1:03:11
  the
• 1:03:12
  details.
• 1:03:12
  Right.
• 1:03:12
  But
• 1:03:13
  my
• 1:03:14
  family
• 1:03:14
  and
• 1:03:14
  my
• 1:03:15
  daughters
• 1:03:15
  had,
• 1:03:15
  you
• 1:03:15
  know,
• 1:03:16
  some
• 1:03:16
  complicated
• 1:03:17
  relationships
• 1:03:17
  with
• 1:03:18
  church
• 1:03:18
  activities
• 1:03:20
  in
• 1:03:20
  recent
• 1:03:21
  years.
• 1:03:21
  And
• 1:03:21
  so
• 1:03:22
  just
• 1:03:22
  hearing
• 1:03:22
  that,
• 1:03:22
  oh,
• 1:03:22
  you
• 1:03:23
  know,
• 1:03:23
  she
• 1:03:23
  was
• 1:03:23
  still
• 1:03:23
  thinking
• 1:03:23
  about
• 1:03:23
  that.
• 1:03:24
  She
• 1:03:24
  was
• 1:03:24
  thinking
• 1:03:24
  about
• 1:03:24
  how
• 1:03:24
  to
• 1:03:24
  help
• 1:03:24
  my
• 1:03:25
  mom,
• 1:03:25
  how
• 1:03:25
  to
• 1:03:25
  help
• 1:03:25
  these
• 1:03:26
  kids,
• 1:03:26
  how
• 1:03:26
  to
• 1:03:26
  be
• 1:03:26
  involved
• 1:03:27
  at
• 1:03:27
  church
• 1:03:27
  when
• 1:03:27
  we
• 1:03:27
  go
• 1:03:28
  out
• 1:03:28
  there
• 1:03:29
  to
• 1:03:29
  this
• 1:03:29
  other
• 1:03:30
  church
• 1:03:30
  that
• 1:03:30
  she's
• 1:03:30
  not
• 1:03:30
  familiar
• 1:03:31
  with.
• 1:03:31
  Especially
• 1:03:31
  because
• 1:03:32
  my
• 1:03:32
  parents
• 1:03:33
  church
• 1:03:33
  is
• 1:03:33
  meeting
• 1:03:34
  in
• 1:03:34
  a
• 1:03:34
  different
• 1:03:34
  building.
• 1:03:34
  They
• 1:03:34
  had
• 1:03:34
  a
• 1:03:35
  fire
• 1:03:36
  like
• 1:03:36
  a
• 1:03:36
  year
• 1:03:36
  and
• 1:03:36
  a
• 1:03:36
  half
• 1:03:37
  ago.
• 1:03:37
  I
• 1:03:37
  think
• 1:03:37
  now
• 1:03:37
  it
• 1:03:37
  is.
• 1:03:38
  And
• 1:03:38
  so
• 1:03:38
  they've
• 1:03:39
  been
• 1:03:39
  meeting
• 1:03:39
  in
• 1:03:39
  another
• 1:03:40
  church's
• 1:03:40
  building
• 1:03:41
  and
• 1:03:41
  so
• 1:03:42
  that,
• 1:03:42
  you
• 1:03:42
  know,
• 1:03:42
  this
• 1:03:42
  will
• 1:03:42
  be
• 1:03:43
  our
• 1:03:43
  first
• 1:03:43
  time
• 1:03:43
  there
• 1:03:44
  in
• 1:03:44
  this
• 1:03:45
  other
• 1:03:46
  unfamiliar
• 1:03:46
  setting.
• 1:03:47
  So
• 1:03:47
  that,
• 1:03:47
  you
• 1:03:47
  know,
• 1:03:47
  she
• 1:03:48
  was
• 1:03:48
  not
• 1:03:49
  like,
• 1:03:49
  oh,
• 1:03:49
  you
• 1:03:49
  know,
• 1:03:49
  I
• 1:03:50
  don't
• 1:03:50
  want
• 1:03:50
  to
• 1:03:50
  go.
• 1:03:50
  I
• 1:03:50
  don't
• 1:03:50
  want
• 1:03:51
  to
• 1:03:51
  be
• 1:03:51
  involved.
• 1:03:52
  I
• 1:03:52
  don't
• 1:03:52
  want
• 1:03:52
  to.
• 1:03:52
  I
• 1:03:53
  just
• 1:03:53
  want
• 1:03:53
  to
• 1:03:53
  kind
• 1:03:53
  of
• 1:03:53
  hide.
• 1:03:54
  But
• 1:03:54
  she
• 1:03:54
  was
• 1:03:54
  like,
• 1:03:54
  no,
• 1:03:55
  how
• 1:03:55
  can
• 1:03:55
  I
• 1:03:55
  help?
• 1:03:55
  How
• 1:03:55
  can
• 1:03:56
  I
• 1:03:56
  be
• 1:03:56
  involved?
• 1:03:56
  That
• 1:03:56
  was
• 1:03:57
  encouraging
• 1:03:58
  and
• 1:03:58
  positive
• 1:03:58
  to
• 1:03:59
  see.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah.
• 1:04:00
  All
• 1:04:00
  right.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah.
• 1:04:01
  And
• 1:04:02
  if
• 1:04:03
  you
• 1:04:03
  like
• 1:04:03
  this
• 1:04:04
  episode,
• 1:04:04
  please
• 1:04:04
  consider
• 1:04:05
  sharing
• 1:04:05
  it
• 1:04:05
  with
• 1:04:05
  a
• 1:04:05
  friend.
• 1:04:05
  Share
• 1:04:06
  with
• 1:04:06
  an
• 1:04:06
  enemy,
• 1:04:06
  Share
• 1:04:06
  with
• 1:04:07
  your
• 1:04:07
  cousins.
• 1:04:09
  Check
• 1:04:09
  out
• 1:04:09
  the
• 1:04:10
  store
• 1:04:10
  we
• 1:04:10
  run
• 1:04:11
  through
• 1:04:11
  Captivate.
• 1:04:12
  It's
• 1:04:12
  comfy,
• 1:04:12
  it's
• 1:04:13
  nice,
• 1:04:13
  it's
• 1:04:13
  reasonably
• 1:04:14
  priced.
• 1:04:15
  There's
• 1:04:15
  no
• 1:04:15
  reason
• 1:04:15
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• 1:04:16
  to
• 1:04:16
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• 1:04:16
  you
• 1:04:16
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• 1:04:17
  have
• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:17
  money.
• 1:04:17
  But
• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:17
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• 1:04:18
  me
• 1:04:18
  us
• 1:04:18
  to
• 1:04:18
  buy
• 1:04:18
  you
• 1:04:18
  the
• 1:04:19
  merch,
• 1:04:19
  you
• 1:04:19
  know,
• 1:04:19
  that
• 1:04:19
  still
• 1:04:19
  goes
• 1:04:20
  down
• 1:04:20
  as
• 1:04:20
  a
• 1:04:20
  merch
• 1:04:20
  sale
• 1:04:20
  for
• 1:04:21
  us.
• 1:04:21
  So
• 1:04:22
  let
• 1:04:23
  us
• 1:04:23
  know,
• 1:04:23
  we'll
• 1:04:23
  see
• 1:04:23
  what
• 1:04:23
  happens.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah,
• 1:04:24
  it
• 1:04:24
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• 1:04:24
  be
• 1:04:25
  the
• 1:04:25
  first
• 1:04:25
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• 1:04:25
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• 1:04:26
  enough,
• 1:04:26
  but
• 1:04:27
  yeah.
• 1:04:28
  Also
• 1:04:28
  check
• 1:04:28
  out
• 1:04:29
  our
• 1:04:29
  other
• 1:04:29
  shows.
• 1:04:29
  You
• 1:04:29
  know,
• 1:04:29
  this
• 1:04:29
  is
• 1:04:29
  a
• 1:04:30
  crossover
• 1:04:30
  we're
• 1:04:30
  doing.
• 1:04:31
  We're
• 1:04:31
  doing
• 1:04:31
  some
• 1:04:31
  cross
• 1:04:32
  promotion
• 1:04:32
  with
• 1:04:32
  systematic
• 1:04:33
  ecology
• 1:04:33
  with
• 1:04:34
  our
• 1:04:34
  encore
• 1:04:34
  episode
• 1:04:34
  here.
• 1:04:35
  So
• 1:04:35
  check
• 1:04:35
  them
• 1:04:35
  out.
• 1:04:35
  But
• 1:04:36
  you
• 1:04:36
  know,
• 1:04:36
  check
• 1:04:37
  out
• 1:04:37
  all
• 1:04:37
  the
• 1:04:37
  shows
• 1:04:37
  on
• 1:04:37
  the
• 1:04:37
  Unazile
• 1:04:38
  podcast
• 1:04:38
  network.
• 1:04:39
  You
• 1:04:39
  can
• 1:04:39
  check
• 1:04:39
  out
• 1:04:40
  trying
• 1:04:40
  to
• 1:04:41
  think
• 1:04:41
  some
• 1:04:41
  ones.
• 1:04:41
  I
• 1:04:41
  don't
• 1:04:41
  usually
• 1:04:42
  say
• 1:04:42
  the
• 1:04:42
  homily
• 1:04:42
  with
• 1:04:42
  Will
• 1:04:43
  Rose.
• 1:04:43
  You
• 1:04:43
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• 1:04:43
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• 1:04:44
  out
• 1:04:44
  Friday
• 1:04:44
  Night
• 1:04:44
  Fright
• 1:04:45
  with
• 1:04:45
  Christian
• 1:04:45
  Ashley
• 1:04:46
  or
• 1:04:47
  the
• 1:04:47
  Bible
• 1:04:48
  After
• 1:04:48
  Hours
• 1:04:48
  with
• 1:04:49
  the
• 1:04:49
  foul
• 1:04:49
  mouth
• 1:04:49
  preacher.
• 1:04:50
  All
• 1:04:50
  those
• 1:04:50
  are,
• 1:04:50
  are
• 1:04:50
  fun
• 1:04:51
  and
• 1:04:51
  I
• 1:04:51
  think
• 1:04:52
  worth
• 1:04:52
  worth
• 1:04:52
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• 1:04:53
  your
• 1:04:53
  time
• 1:04:53
  checking
• 1:04:53
  them
• 1:04:53
  out.
• 1:04:54
  Yeah.
• 1:04:54
  And
• 1:04:55
  we
• 1:04:55
  hope
• 1:04:55
  you
• 1:04:55
  enjoyed
• 1:04:55
  it.
• 1:04:56
  Next
• 1:04:56
  week
• 1:04:56
  we
• 1:04:56
  will
• 1:04:57
  be
• 1:04:57
  off
• 1:04:58
  for
• 1:04:58
  a
• 1:04:58
  week.
• 1:04:59
  It's
• 1:05:00
  gonna
• 1:05:00
  be
• 1:05:00
  crazy.
• 1:05:00
  We're
• 1:05:00
  gonna
• 1:05:01
  do
• 1:05:01
  probably
• 1:05:02
  nothing
• 1:05:03
  and
• 1:05:03
  realistically
• 1:05:04
  probably
• 1:05:04
  a
• 1:05:04
  lot
• 1:05:05
  actually.
• 1:05:06
  But
• 1:05:06
  the
• 1:05:06
  week
• 1:05:07
  after
• 1:05:07
  that
• 1:05:07
  we're
• 1:05:07
  having
• 1:05:07
  a
• 1:05:07
  round
• 1:05:08
  table
• 1:05:08
  of
• 1:05:08
  pastors
• 1:05:09
  and
• 1:05:09
  professors
• 1:05:09
  join
• 1:05:10
  us
• 1:05:10
  to
• 1:05:10
  reflect
• 1:05:10
  on
• 1:05:10
  this,
• 1:05:11
  our
• 1:05:11
  job
• 1:05:11
  Fair
• 1:05:12
  series.
• 1:05:12
  And
• 1:05:12
  after
• 1:05:12
  that
• 1:05:12
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• 1:05:13
  going
• 1:05:13
  to
• 1:05:13
  be
• 1:05:13
  doing
• 1:05:14
  some
• 1:05:14
  episodes
• 1:05:14
  to
• 1:05:14
  hype
• 1:05:15
  up
• 1:05:15
  the
• 1:05:15
  Ology
• 1:05:15
  beer
• 1:05:15
  camp.
• 1:05:16
  But
• 1:05:16
  this
• 1:05:16
  year
• 1:05:16
  in
• 1:05:17
  St.
• 1:05:17
  Paul,
• 1:05:17
  Minnesota.
• 1:05:18
  And
• 1:05:19
  we
• 1:05:19
  hope
• 1:05:19
  to
• 1:05:19
  have
• 1:05:20
  Reverend
• 1:05:20
  Shayna
• 1:05:21
  Watson
• 1:05:21
  back
• 1:05:21
  on
• 1:05:21
  soon
• 1:05:22
  to
• 1:05:22
  discuss
• 1:05:22
  her
• 1:05:22
  time
• 1:05:23
  pastoring
• 1:05:23
  an
• 1:05:24
  international
• 1:05:24
  diverse
• 1:05:25
  faith
• 1:05:25
  community
• 1:05:25
  at
• 1:05:26
  the
• 1:05:26
  Anglican
• 1:05:26
  Trinity
• 1:05:27
  church
• 1:05:27
  in
• 1:05:27
  Washington
• 1:05:28
  D.C.
• 1:05:28
  at
• 1:05:29
  the
• 1:05:29
  end
• 1:05:29
  of
• 1:05:29
  season
• 1:05:29
  one,
• 1:05:30
  of
• 1:05:30
  course,
• 1:05:30
  will
• 1:05:30
  be
• 1:05:31
  Francis
• 1:05:31
  Chan.
• 1:05:32
  Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  He
• 1:05:33
  doesn't
• 1:05:33
  know,
• 1:05:33
  though,
• 1:05:33
  so
• 1:05:34
  someone
• 1:05:34
  does
• 1:05:34
  have
• 1:05:34
  to
• 1:05:35
  tell
• 1:05:35
  him.
• 1:05:35
  Still
• 1:05:36
  police.
• 1:05:37
  Yeah,
• 1:05:37
  we're
• 1:05:37
  currently.
• 1:05:38
  We're
• 1:05:38
  going
• 1:05:38
  for,
• 1:05:39
  like,
• 1:05:39
  the
• 1:05:39
  world
• 1:05:39
  record.
• 1:05:40
  Longest
• 1:05:40
  first
• 1:05:41
  season.
• 1:05:41
  Yeah,
• 1:05:42
  something
• 1:05:42
  like
• 1:05:42
  that.
• 1:05:42
  But
• 1:05:42
  I
• 1:05:42
  think,
• 1:05:43
  yeah,
• 1:05:43
  it's
• 1:05:43
  got
• 1:05:44
  to
• 1:05:44
  be
• 1:05:44
  close.
• 1:05:46
  I
• 1:05:46
  don't
• 1:05:46
  know.
• 1:05:47
  I've
• 1:05:47
  never
• 1:05:47
  checked
• 1:05:48
  the
• 1:05:48
  stats.
• 1:05:48
  I
• 1:05:49
  have
• 1:05:49
  no
• 1:05:49
  idea.
• 1:05:50
  Guinness
• 1:05:50
  let
• 1:05:50
  us
• 1:05:51
  know.
• 1:05:51
  Right.
• 1:05:52
  Till
• 1:05:52
  next
• 1:05:52
  time,
• 1:05:52
  though.
• 1:06:08
  On
• 1:06:09
  us,
• 1:06:11
  Lord
• 1:06:13
  Please
• 1:06:15
  put
• 1:06:16
  your
• 1:06:17
  hand
• 1:06:18
  on
• 1:06:19
  us
• 1:06:21
  day
• 1:06:21
  by
• 1:06:22
  day,
• 1:06:26
  Lord.
• 1:06:34
  Lord.
• 1:06:35
  Have
• 1:06:36
  mercy
• 1:06:38
  on
• 1:06:39
  us,
• 1:06:41
  Lord
• 1:06:43
  Please
• 1:06:45
  put
• 1:06:46
  your
• 1:06:47
  hand
• 1:06:48
  on
• 1:06:49
  us
• 1:06:51
  day
• 1:06:52
  by
• 1:06:53
  day.