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America's Roots are Different Than What You Believe | Episode 40 · Propaganda

0:02
SPEAKER_02: This is Mick and Jacob, and you're listening to propaganda.
0:05
SPEAKER_00: We took a week off because we had a very busy personal schedule and then we were also moving.
0:11
SPEAKER_00: It was an intense week.
0:12
SPEAKER_00: But we're back, and we're so excited to talk to you guys about well, I don't know.
0:18
SPEAKER_00: There was really only one huge thing that happened.
0:20
SPEAKER_00: I feel like that took the news.
0:22
SPEAKER_02: The news has been kind of weird recently.
0:24
SPEAKER_02: It has been.
0:25
SPEAKER_02: So we had that Cole Allen, he attempted to assassinate the president, the White House staff, the the cabinet, whoever.
0:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, pretty clearly the president, but he broke into the White House correspondence dinner and then ran through security like with a gun, and it didn't work very well.
0:44
SPEAKER_02: But um thankfully everyone's okay.
0:48
SPEAKER_02: I don't really know what you can say about that.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: It's it's all it's like so common, unfortunately, that it's like we like everyone forgot about it, you know?
0:56
SPEAKER_02: Like it's it happens, and that's it's like Okay, okay, someone just tried to kill the president, and the so the Secret Service kind of failed, you know.
1:05
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they got him before you could do anything else, but they didn't do a very good job um keeping anything safe or secure before the correspondence dinner.
1:13
SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of questions there.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: He had the opportunity to shoot.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:18
SPEAKER_00: They heard gunshots.
1:19
SPEAKER_00: How does that happen?
1:22
SPEAKER_00: How do you get into an event like that with a gun and have the chance to shoot?
1:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: This is also what the third time that there's been an attempted assassination attempt.
1:33
SPEAKER_00: No, an assassination attempt, right?
1:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: On the president.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
1:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're getting into historical numbers here.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: A third assassin assassination.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: Oh, whoa.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: A third assassination attempt?
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SPEAKER_02: Right, within a year and a half of a I mean, I guess the Butler one was before he was president.
1:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh, he was running for yeah, office, but he was a previous president.
1:56
SPEAKER_02: But there's like not even it's like we're at a bad point where it's like not even worth talking about.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: Like everyone found out about it, right?
2:04
SPEAKER_02: No one really knows any more about like who cares, you know?
2:09
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not saying in that, like, in it it's unimportant, but I mean like we're so used to it.
2:14
SPEAKER_02: Like this attempt, how is it that much different or any different than the others?
2:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know, it's it's like exhausting to even like spend time and energy on because everyone hears about it, then the next day everyone forgets about it because it doesn't matter, right?
2:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, and it's so exhausting too because there's a thousand conspiracy theories all at once.
2:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you don't even know what to like think or believe or look into.
2:38
SPEAKER_00: You're just like, okay, like moving on.
2:41
SPEAKER_02: I guess I guess everyone was saying it was staged.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: And we know we'll never get the right answer, too.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: So it's not even really, really worth your time and and yeah, your energy.
2:49
SPEAKER_00: So you're like, well, we'll never really know what happened.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: We won't hear from that guy again.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: He'll probably commit suicide in his jail cell in the next month, and then we won't know anything.
2:59
SPEAKER_02: So no one died at the shooting.
3:01
SPEAKER_02: So apparently he wasn't even shot.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: So they he like they just apprehended him.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can watch the video of him running through the hall, but um, one of the Secret Service members or police on site or FBI, whoever they were, one of the feds got shot.
3:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, but he survived as whatever, he's he's fine.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
3:22
SPEAKER_01: Like it what even what even is there to say?
3:26
SPEAKER_01: It's weird.
3:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it almost says more about uh the reaction to it all than it does about what actually happened, which I find interesting.
3:33
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, you watch the videos and I mean the Secret Service, they grab the vice president, they grab Vance first, which they each have a different team.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: So Trump has his own team, Vance has his own team too.
3:46
SPEAKER_02: But they're under the same branch, you know.
3:47
SPEAKER_00: Right, they have the same, you know.
3:50
SPEAKER_02: Why did Trump's team again, why are they so slow?
3:53
SPEAKER_02: Why are they so like behind the ball when this happens?
3:56
SPEAKER_02: Like, it's on video, they pull it's kind of funny because like JD Vance is like sitting in his chair, and this guy like pulls him out of the like just straight up pulls him with a chair.
4:06
SPEAKER_02: And for five seconds, Trump is still sitting there.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: Like no one's by Trump.
4:10
SPEAKER_02: Eating a street.
4:11
SPEAKER_02: Everyone grab Bance, pull them out, and Trump's like still there.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, what's going on?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so he needs a new team, and there's gonna be questions there.
4:18
SPEAKER_01: Because this is the third time this has happened, and they've they're re they're slow to the they're slow to react.
4:24
SPEAKER_02: Something that is worth talking about that I want to spend most of our time on is uh Trump hosted King Charles at the White House.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: So this is a huge thing.
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SPEAKER_02: Everyone had a problem with it.
4:37
SPEAKER_02: Like wait, why?
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SPEAKER_02: Because the uh the National Guard or the Army Guard of the White House, they were like dressed up in like red coats, like the British, to kind of like honor whatever King Charles.
4:50
SPEAKER_02: We can throw a picture on the city.
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SPEAKER_00: Our military was dressed up as red coats.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: To honor King Charles.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, to kind of like pay pay homage to sorry, Prince or King.
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SPEAKER_00: Prince King.
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SPEAKER_00: King, yeah.
5:02
SPEAKER_02: This is the the son.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right, right.
5:04
SPEAKER_02: What was your name?
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SPEAKER_02: Queen Elizabeth.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: I know, they're like weird with titles.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: I never understood.
5:08
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
5:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't it's a little like it's interesting, okay?
5:16
SPEAKER_02: Whatever, it doesn't matter.
5:18
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't sit right with me.
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SPEAKER_02: I could care less what they're wearing.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: Um why wouldn't we dress up like our I don't know?
5:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I find that a little weird.
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SPEAKER_00: You kind of like move past that fast.
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SPEAKER_02: They're like it's like the marching band.
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SPEAKER_02: Like he dresses up like the marching band, like and they're dressed up as the red coats.
5:39
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
5:40
SPEAKER_00: But we kind of have like a history, you know?
5:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he highlights some of the uh he he talks about like the Revolutionary War and he talks about, you know, the strong, the strong history of our two countries and our allies and all that stuff.
5:53
unknown: Okay.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: But what I wanted to get to was this article from The Atlantic, okay?
5:57
SPEAKER_02: The title of the article is Donald Trump's Disturbing Welcome for King Charles.
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SPEAKER_00: Disturbing?
6:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: So you think it's disturbing because they're wearing red coats.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: I think it's what who cares?
6:09
SPEAKER_02: And then this article, however, finds it disturbing.
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SPEAKER_02: And it states that at the White House, the president embraced the idea that the nation is an Anglo-Saxon one.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so he embraced the idea that the US is an Anglo-Saxon nation.
6:26
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Why would that be a problem?
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SPEAKER_02: Because seeing it as how it was, uh, for all of its history.
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SPEAKER_02: Certainly the founding of it and the settling of it and the conquest of it was all Anglo-Saxon, so.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, Trump says, long before America had a nation or a constitution, we first had a culture, a character, and a creed.
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SPEAKER_02: Their veins ran with Anglo-Saxon courage, their hearts be within English faith in standing firm for what is right, good, and true.
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SPEAKER_02: In recent years, we've often heard it said that America is merely an idea, but the cause of freedom did not simply appear as an intellectual invention of 1776.
7:08
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:09
SPEAKER_02: I've had a lot of problems with Trump recently, and like we we kind of hate on a lot.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: But that's really good.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: Well said.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: That's really good.
7:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:16
SPEAKER_02: If only his policy and um presidential orders and his actual instruction of where he wanted the country to go was as good as his ideas and his thoughts on paper, you know?
7:27
SPEAKER_02: Because that's solid.
7:28
SPEAKER_02: Like, America's not just an idea.
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SPEAKER_02: Turns out it's a country, it's a people, it's a culture.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: And he highlights all those things, you know?
7:39
SPEAKER_00: And that wasn't just built on the back of African slaves, by the way.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: Everyone always wants to go back to that.
7:46
SPEAKER_00: It was built on the back of African slaves.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:49
SPEAKER_00: It's nice to see someone point back to our roots and our culture and the foundation that this country truly was built on.
7:57
SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's never said.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: It's not said enough.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: No.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: You were always paying dues, paying respect to what was built on the backs of slave labor.
8:07
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
8:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, sure.
8:08
SPEAKER_02: But happened for a little bit, short time in our country's history.
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SPEAKER_02: We got rid of it, wasn't good, no one likes it.
8:14
SPEAKER_00: But it's always like, I guess, overlooked.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: Right.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: They give they give credit to like the slavery the most almost.
8:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: In reality, it's like, well, okay.
8:23
SPEAKER_02: But also, what about everyone else that also did things and settled this land and went out and conquered it and created something from it?
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SPEAKER_02: And not just an idea of freedom, but an actual physical embodiment of it, a country, you know, a people, a group, a heritage.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: And this comes from, he says Anglo-Saxon, right?
8:45
SPEAKER_02: English, German, French, Europe, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Later in later on, the Italians, whatever.
8:51
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
8:52
SPEAKER_02: But that's the makeup of this country.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: That was at least.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: And not to get all back to immigration and the changing of all that, because we spend a lot of time on that, anyways.
9:03
SPEAKER_02: But what he's saying here is actually true.
9:05
SPEAKER_02: And like what's funny to me is that the article, the author, they point out a problem with it.
9:11
SPEAKER_02: They're saying that's bad, or they're saying that that's a misrepresentation.
9:13
SPEAKER_02: And it's definitely not.
9:15
SPEAKER_02: Like, how think about the colonies here in the states here and the immigrants that came here.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay?
9:22
SPEAKER_02: Not the ones that came here and filed for free housing and free health care, subsidized food meals, and all those.
9:29
SPEAKER_02: Not those immigrants.
9:31
SPEAKER_02: Immigrants that spent months on sea risking everything, leaving a lot of people behind, to come to a new world where there was very little law and order at the time, very little societal structure.
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SPEAKER_02: They risked all of that to come here in the hopes for freedom, a better life, a new beginning, whatever it may have been.
9:53
SPEAKER_00: So they didn't hop a wall and immediately get handed a welfare check.
9:57
SPEAKER_02: Right.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
9:59
SPEAKER_00: There's a big difference between immigration today and back then, even a hundred years ago.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: If you want to say immigrants, okay, yeah, it may make mid 1800s, they're probably immigrants by then, you know.
10:11
SPEAKER_02: But for the longest time, immigrants is probably the wrong word.
10:14
SPEAKER_02: I would say it's settlers.
10:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:16
SPEAKER_02: Pilgrimers.
10:16
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: You know, conquerors, whatever you may call it.
10:19
SPEAKER_02: And you might have a problem with those words.
10:21
SPEAKER_02: But honestly, that's your fault because that that's what these people were.
10:26
SPEAKER_02: And to pretend that that's a bad thing is ridiculous.
10:30
SPEAKER_02: To pretend that this country was somehow not started by Anglo-Saxon settlers, people, inhabitants, is completely incorrect.
10:39
SPEAKER_00: So that's the that's the that's a erasing our culture, our history, what we were built on.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: And that's why it's so irritating too, because everyone always says it's it's I don't know, it's somehow racist.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: The comments, if you watch this on uh on video, the comments will all be saying it, you guys are racist.
10:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, there's plenty of black and brown immigrants that have, you know, they've built up this country as well.
11:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: But also, there's a lot of Anglo-Saxon countries that honestly did a lot more.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to say it.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: You know, they settled a country.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: How that's pretty hard.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: Can we can we recognize that's a brave thing to do?
11:25
SPEAKER_00: Can we pay any respect to that at all?
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SPEAKER_02: Can we like say that the people that came here within the last hundred years, uh, they came to a country that was already established and made and safe and had structure and stability.
11:42
SPEAKER_02: They didn't come here through the Cumberland Gap and go off in on the prairie and try to settle a little, you know, a little homestead by themselves.
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SPEAKER_02: Like it's a different time.
11:52
SPEAKER_02: And the immigrants of today are not the same as the immigrants, the settlers of previous.
11:58
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know.
12:01
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, Trump, like he's gone.
12:05
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's gone.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: But but his actual ideas and his speeches and what he's trying to say, that's all right.
12:12
SPEAKER_02: Just why can't you actually promote it and encourage it and act on it in you know, like provide some grounds for what you're saying?
12:20
SPEAKER_02: Not just not just giving it a speech every once in a while.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: Like Yeah.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: Well that's that's the problem, is he's really good at that.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: He's really good at speeches.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: He's very good at I don't know, I guess you could say riling up the crowd.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: But we need a little more action.
12:36
SPEAKER_02: But that's one thing that the left tells us, that's one thing that a lot of people have told us, is that America is just an idea.
12:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay, like yeah, it there's an idea of America, but also America is a real country with the people.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, like when you say Japan, when you say Germany, when you say South Korea, do you say South Korea is an idea?
13:00
SPEAKER_02: No, it's not an idea, it's a country, and the people of South Korea make it what it is and have made it what it was, you know, for long for for long periods of history.
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SPEAKER_02: They have been what's contributing in making and building the country of South Korea, okay?
13:15
SPEAKER_02: Like it's not just an idea.
13:17
SPEAKER_02: No, it's it's actually a piece of land on the other side of the world that has borders and rules and laws and a system over there, you know?
13:26
SPEAKER_02: But America, yeah, it's just an idea.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like, no, it's it's right now it seems like it's just a long, long past, unachievable idea.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what it seems like right now.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: But for most of American history, it was an actual, it was an actual country before we were overran and fundamentally changed at the most basic levels of our society.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean And I'm glad he said that too, because we need to get back to the idea and the foundation that we are a country built by Europeans.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: And for some reason, that's a crazy thing to say, and that's a racist thing to say.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: But I'm proud of my German ancestors for coming over here, taking that risk, for settling, and now here I am living as an American.
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SPEAKER_00: They got to live the American dream.
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SPEAKER_00: I can be proud of that, and I should be able to say that without getting, I don't know, without being treated like a foreigner in your own country.
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SPEAKER_00: Attacked socially, yeah, being called a racist.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: Right.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: Why is that a bad thing to say?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm related to, I have ancestors, I have people who came and fought here and settled here and built this place, and I get to generations later live here and enjoy and you know participate in what they helped to create.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm proud of that.
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SPEAKER_02: Like you're saying, everyone else is allowed to be a proud of, is allowed to be proud of their heritage and their ancestry and where their people came from.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: And I'm proud that mine came here and built this that you and I are a part of.
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SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like you're right.
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SPEAKER_02: We don't show the same respect or reverence or appreciation or appreciation that we should have.
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SPEAKER_02: Instead, it's like, no, this country was built by slaves.
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SPEAKER_02: Like that's that's who we have to appreciate.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
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SPEAKER_02: In the South, in cotton fields.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: That's who we should appreciate.
15:14
SPEAKER_02: So, and I'm not trying to belittle what happened or anything.
15:18
SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying that's what they say we should be appreciative for.
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SPEAKER_02: And they totally throw out, okay, what about the people that came here before them?
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SPEAKER_02: What about the people that made this country into what it is today so that other people want to come here today?
15:31
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: Apparently, a lot of people.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: So it's like two things can never be true at once.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: Right.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: You can never, okay, thank the slave labor, yeah, recognize it was a bad thing, and you know, they helped build this country.
15:44
SPEAKER_02: They didn't, they helped sustainable.
15:46
SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just I'm arguing on their industry.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm arguing for them right now.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: Okay, fine, you know.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: But then also it's not a bad thing to then recognize, like you were saying, the people that came before them.
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SPEAKER_00: It it doesn't make it any, it doesn't take away from them.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't take, but it does take away from the people that settled this country when you're saying when you're just chalking it up to be slaves that came here from Africa, they built this country, and we're not allowed to recognize our ancestors that came and settled it.
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SPEAKER_00: It's ridiculous.
16:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: I don't know about you, but I have ancestors that came here in the 1820s.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, and the people that came here in the 1820s are a lot different than the people that come here in the 2020s.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's a very different group of people, it's a different nationality, it's a different idea, it's a different like set of fundamental beliefs and values in a lot of cases, right?
16:41
SPEAKER_02: Different mindset.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay, these are not the same people.
16:44
SPEAKER_02: So we we we don't need to pretend that this is some like immigrants built this country, let's let in millions and millions of illegals from all around the world to come contribute to our wonderful society.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, why do they want to come here in the first place?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, this country was built for a purpose, for a reason, and we should enjoy that and you know, be appreciative of that.
17:06
SPEAKER_02: And instead, we're we're told to A, ignore it and and just completely disregard what they did and what they created, and B, at the same time, we're also allowed to and supposed to and want to like promote other peoples that have nothing to do with it to come here and then also take part in it, you know, and and show no respect for us or our culture or our people or our language, even.
17:30
SPEAKER_02: They don't even speak our language, okay?
17:32
SPEAKER_02: But if you say, Oh, America's just an idea, then all of that's okay.
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SPEAKER_02: That's that's the problem of it, too.
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SPEAKER_02: So by Trump putting a label on America, defining what it is, what it was, what it should be, it allows, you know, it creates a better defense of what America was instead of just saying, oh, it's idea, it's an idea.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Who cares?
17:52
SPEAKER_00: So because we're lacking in pride.
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SPEAKER_00: American citizens lack pride for their country, for their ancestors, because we've been told for so long that they were just these racist hillbillies that did nothing for the improvement of this country.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: Right.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: And that actually, since they were immigrants, we should be okay with, I guess, letting millions more flood the country.
18:14
SPEAKER_00: Right.
18:15
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