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The Curse of the Diamond · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Ben and
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  Speaker 2: I were just complaining off air about air travel and
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  Speaker 2: now it's just gotten to be so ridiculous. Yesterday I
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  Speaker 2: had a four hour delay with a toddler by myself.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't the best, but it's also not the worst.
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  Speaker 2: But it's been a trend, a crazy, crazy trend. My
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  Speaker 2: flights recently, over the past three months have been like
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  Speaker 2: four hours plus delayed. But anyway, sounds like Ben had
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  Speaker 2: a far more interesting story about a delay, and it
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  Speaker 2: happened about a week and a half ago. He was
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  Speaker 2: midway through the story and I was like, all right,
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  Speaker 2: save this for the air. Tell everybody about this, because
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was going in a very interesting direction.
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  Speaker 2: Go for it and tell the entire story again.
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  Speaker 3: You want you want to people to hear this?
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  Speaker 2: Huh the people?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well, I you know this is I just
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  Speaker 3: fly a lot. I do.
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  Speaker 2: You are on a plane every what do you think
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  Speaker 2: the average is four to five days?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just I just hit sixty one flights this year,
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  Speaker 3: so segments, so.
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  Speaker 2: Since two thousand and three, so that's like twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a plane every average a plane like
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  Speaker 3: every I don't know, two and a half days. It's
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  Speaker 3: a lot. It's a lot. Yeah, do you count well, No,
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  Speaker 3: you can see it on your like on your flight
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  Speaker 3: like status, like flight segment.
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  Speaker 2: Always take the one airline.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always take United. I'm a big United.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's a big hub.
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  Speaker 3: It's a big hub in Denver, A big fan of
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  Speaker 3: their service. Got to get the upgrades every now and again.
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  Speaker 3: The crazy thing is I fights. I flew a ton
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  Speaker 3: last year, like one hundred and twenty five flights, one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty flights, and then sixty one flights this year.
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  Speaker 3: I am still not sometimes even in the top ten
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  Speaker 3: when it comes to status on the flights, like people
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  Speaker 3: are flying more than me, which blows my mind. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know why. Yeah, it's crazy. There's just a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people that fly o the time, I guess. But
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  Speaker 3: all right, here's the story. I'll tell it quick. So
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  Speaker 3: I was in Kukata, Colombia a week and a half
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  Speaker 3: ago with Project Hope incredible trip reviewing some of the
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  Speaker 3: work being done for pregnant women in Colombia, and it's
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  Speaker 3: part of the Venezuelan refugee migration where they are coming
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  Speaker 3: over from Venezuela, getting healthcare done in Colombia, moving to
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  Speaker 3: Columbia a lot of times. So it was a great trip.
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  Speaker 3: But the flight there is pretty tough. So to get
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  Speaker 3: to Kukata it takes forever. I think it was like
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  Speaker 3: fourteen hours of total travel for a place that's not
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  Speaker 3: that far from the US. And we fly into Bogatah.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to a Bogata to Houston, Houston back to Denver.
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  Speaker 3: We get into Bogatah, get on our flight. It's a
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  Speaker 3: midnight takeoff. We'll land in Houston at five forty five
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  Speaker 3: or something. I'm supposed to have a flight connection at
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  Speaker 3: like seven thirty am back to Denver. Be back in
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  Speaker 3: Denver by nine thirty. That sounds great to me, like
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  Speaker 3: I'll be home, ready to start my workday, kind of
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  Speaker 3: ready to just get through as much as I can
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  Speaker 3: before I fall asleep again. Well, we're in Bogata. I
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  Speaker 3: get on the flight, I get upgraded, so I'm sitting
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  Speaker 3: in first class, very nice, very excited about this. I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna have some cocktails, I'm gonna have some food. I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna relax. Two seats over for me, there's somebody that
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  Speaker 3: sits down. The flight attendant comes up to this person
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  Speaker 3: and says, what was the problem out there, sir. The
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  Speaker 3: guy goes, I have no problem. He goes, well, what
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  Speaker 3: happened out there? And he goes, well, some guy was
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  Speaker 3: taken forever in line. My wife and I asked to
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  Speaker 3: move in front of him, and he said f you
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  Speaker 3: to me, and nobody talks that way to me and
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  Speaker 3: my wife. I'm an ex marine. I don't stand down
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  Speaker 3: to nobody, so I'm listening to all this. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 3: that's interesting, okay. So the flight intendant leaves him, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and goes and talks to the other person, then leaves
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  Speaker 3: the plane. The lady at the front desk that was
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  Speaker 3: checking people in along with some other passengers, comes back
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  Speaker 3: onto the plane. The flight attend did look to the
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  Speaker 3: guy two seats over from me, and he goes, everybody
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  Speaker 3: out there says you were the instigator. You were the
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  Speaker 3: person that instigated this argument. And he goes, I was
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  Speaker 3: not the instigator. I was not the instigator at all.
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  Speaker 3: It's his fault. Nobody talks to me that way. Fight
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  Speaker 3: attendant goes here's the deal. I don't really care. I
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  Speaker 3: just want to get to Houston, Like I want to
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  Speaker 3: get to Houston as fast as possible. I want to
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  Speaker 3: get out of like out of this airport and get home.
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  Speaker 3: And the guy goes, okay, cool, you go, and the
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  Speaker 3: flight attendant said, as long as you guys don't fight
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  Speaker 3: on the plane, we're good.
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  Speaker 2: This is where I stopped a bed, yeah, because I
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  Speaker 2: was like, all right, they're about to fight on the plane.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he goes, we're good. And so everybody around us
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  Speaker 3: who has heard this is like, okay, good, we're We're
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  Speaker 3: already delayed twenty minutes. Now we're gonna get taken off.
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  Speaker 3: So the flight attendant sits down. We leave the jet bridge.
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  Speaker 3: We're backing up. We get to like probably five minutes
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  Speaker 3: from the jet bridge, and this guy two seats over
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  Speaker 3: from me, No, you know what, you need to apologize
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  Speaker 3: to me, to the flight attendant. You need to apologize
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  Speaker 3: to me. I'm not the instigator. You need to apologize
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  Speaker 3: to me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, is his wife sitting next to him?
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  Speaker 3: His wife sitting seven rows back. He got first class.
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  Speaker 3: His wife got seat seven C, which is still a
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  Speaker 3: good seat, not first class.
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  Speaker 2: The man took first class for himself and didn't give
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  Speaker 2: it to his wife. Oh yeah, I'm already judging this guy.
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  Speaker 3: Solid move. But so the fight intendant gets onto his phone,
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  Speaker 3: calls and says, we got to go back to the gate. Like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this guy is wanting apology. I have nothing
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  Speaker 3: to apologize to him for. I'm not apologizing to him.
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  Speaker 3: He and the fight atenant looks a him and and
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  Speaker 3: he's the fight Attendant's right. He goes sir, like, I
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  Speaker 3: have no skin in this game. All I want to
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  Speaker 3: do is get to Houston. I don't really care who
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  Speaker 3: is right and wrong as long as you guys don't
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  Speaker 3: cause any more issues. So we go back to the gate.
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  Speaker 3: This guy won't give up. He is literally going, you
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  Speaker 3: need to apologize to me. So the fight Tan's like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry if I've said anything or done anything that's
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  Speaker 3: offended you, but I am basing everything I know off
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  Speaker 3: of what everybody else is saying. The guy back there
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  Speaker 3: hasn't said a word since you walked onto this plane.
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  Speaker 3: He's fine. You're the one that's upset and you're delaying
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  Speaker 3: this plane. So long story short, Two and a half
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  Speaker 3: hours later, we're still sitting on the plane. This guy's
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  Speaker 3: still arguing. We finally argue with the flight attendant and
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  Speaker 3: everybody else that comes up. Then they bring in like
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  Speaker 3: an HR person from the airport to talk to him.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, and everybody around me is thinking, take
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  Speaker 3: this guy off the plane like he is, he's delaying everything.
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  Speaker 3: Take him off the plane, just get him out of here.
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  Speaker 3: But they were nice to him. They were nice to
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  Speaker 3: him because there I think they were thinking, we don't
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  Speaker 3: want to get him stuck in Bogatah. Like it's not
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  Speaker 3: a bad place. Bogata is an amazing city, but you're
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  Speaker 3: in a different country. You don't want to get stuck
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  Speaker 3: in a different country, especially if you're on your way
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  Speaker 3: to the no fly list. So so he finally take off.
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  Speaker 3: Once this guy calms down kind of like gets tired enough,
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  Speaker 3: everybody's fuming. Think about how mad this plane is at
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  Speaker 3: this guy. At this point, every his wife get involved. No,
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  Speaker 3: his wife stayed very quiet, very silent, like just kind
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  Speaker 3: of sat back it all. Yeah, she could see it all.
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  Speaker 3: So I missed my flight then to Denver. Here's the
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  Speaker 3: here's the crazy part. I've never seen this before in
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  Speaker 3: all my flights. We land in Houston, pull up to
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  Speaker 3: the jet bridge. Five police officers walk onto the airplane.
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  Speaker 3: Boom boom bom. Take this guy off, walk him to
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  Speaker 3: some little quiet room off the side. Who knows what
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  Speaker 3: happened to him, but I imagine it was not good.
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  Speaker 2: Before everybody deboarded.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, big old he its like theater. There's a
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  Speaker 3: big old theater. Everybody was intrigued. Was it a little
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  Speaker 3: bit worth the miss? Not worth time? Never never, never
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  Speaker 3: worth the miss, but it was. It was one of
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  Speaker 3: those things, as we talk about many times before, where
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  Speaker 3: you like watch it, like put your hands over your face,
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  Speaker 3: but you open up your fingers just to see it
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  Speaker 3: because it is like, for whatever reason, it's entertaining. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know again, if that's the evil side of me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, if it's the side of me that
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  Speaker 3: just likes to see weird stuff happen, because I do,
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  Speaker 3: I love it. But yes, I was watching this very intently.
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  Speaker 3: I I'm typically not good at keeping my mouth shutting
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  Speaker 3: these situations. I did a really good job at not
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  Speaker 3: getting involved. So I would I wanted to see mediator
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  Speaker 3: Ben would have been great here. No, because I was
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  Speaker 3: very much not on this guy side. What I want
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  Speaker 3: to say is shut sit down, stay quiet. You're in
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  Speaker 3: first class on a flight. You're fine, like, eat your food,
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  Speaker 3: have a cocktail. But the part that was driving me
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  Speaker 3: crazy was why we were sitting still during this delay.
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  Speaker 3: He was calling his friends back in the US being like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I got him. Like this guy was just like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: saying it. Yeah. He's like, I don't back down to nobody.
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  Speaker 3: I don't back down to anybody. So he's calling his
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  Speaker 3: friends like bragging, like, oh, I got a story for
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  Speaker 3: you when I get back, and I'm just like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: you are literally ruining this for I don't know how
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  Speaker 3: people on a plane, three hundred people on a plane,
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  Speaker 3: like you're ruining this for them. Get over yourself. But
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  Speaker 3: finally made it back. We're all good. I was fine.
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  Speaker 3: It is kind of entertaining. I guess it's just it's
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  Speaker 3: like one of my best stories to tell from that trip,
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  Speaker 3: even though it was a great trip, but it is
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  Speaker 3: the story I tell.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, even though I mean that sucked, that
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  Speaker 2: delays totally sucked for everybody in the back not being
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  Speaker 2: able to watch this too. Because class and your comfy
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  Speaker 2: c you probably have your laptop over open doing something
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  Speaker 2: and you've had a couple of whiskeys.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, I'm fine, I'm doing I'm doing just fine. Yeah, bourbons, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing just great. Well.
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  Speaker 2: I feel bad for everybody else and and and you
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  Speaker 2: for missing your fight and all that, but and for
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  Speaker 2: his wife especially, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: For all you flying out there. It's just uh, it
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  Speaker 3: just feels like a lot of people are flying. Airports
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  Speaker 3: are getting busier, people are traveling again. It's you know
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  Speaker 3: it is. I would just say take take it with
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  Speaker 3: a grain of salt, like, enjoy the ride. Some airports
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  Speaker 3: are nice and hang out in another I could probably
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  Speaker 3: give you a list of my favorites and my least favorites.
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  Speaker 3: But flying has been wild. Well, we just talked about drama.
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  Speaker 3: We were just talking about drama on flights, Ashley. There's
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  Speaker 3: some drama going on in Bachelor Nation right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, right Ben, our first headline is so dramatic.
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  Speaker 3: It's so dramatic, Ashley. Uh, it's time let's just jump
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  Speaker 3: into bachelor. Yeah, it's a big deal, and I have
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  Speaker 3: opinions on it right because I know both these people.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take a break though. When we come back, we've
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  Speaker 3: got some headlines to discuss in Bachelor Nation. All right, Ashley,
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  Speaker 3: here's the headline. Chris Harrison. Yes, Chris Harrison calls the
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor creator Mike Flies a narcissist. That's not a good
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  Speaker 3: word to use to somebody following his exit from franchise.
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. So on Chris's podcast, the
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  Speaker 2: most dramatic podcast ever here on iHeart Radio Podcasts, he
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  Speaker 2: was talking to Megan King, who is now again part
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  Speaker 2: of the Real Housewives of Orange County, and towards the
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  Speaker 2: end of the podcast, Megan goes, so, are there any
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  Speaker 2: narcissists that have been the leads of the show? And
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  Speaker 2: he couldn't come up with anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, all of us are narcissists. Stop.
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  Speaker 2: I think people like use the word narcissist a little
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  Speaker 2: bit lightly these days. Okay, so we look up the
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  Speaker 2: real turn I want to before we go into this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's define narcissists nars.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know I have behavior like I have
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  Speaker 3: to fight against it. I have to implement like things
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  Speaker 3: in my life to not like think of myself all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But Ben, there's like there's one thing when you could
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  Speaker 2: be like, first off, I don't think that you are
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  Speaker 2: at all self centered or egotistical. You, to me are
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  Speaker 2: like the least narcissistic person the entire world. You care
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  Speaker 2: about others so tremendously, you put others before you all
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  Speaker 2: the time. You're the last person I would ever think
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  Speaker 2: to consider a to have any narcissist the behavioral patterns. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: well you fight it hard then, and you and it
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  Speaker 2: shows that you fight it very hard, because no I
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  Speaker 2: would ever ever think that. But this is the definition
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  Speaker 2: of narcissistic personality disorder. It is a mental health condition
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  Speaker 2: in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their
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  Speaker 2: own self importance. They need, they need and seek too
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  Speaker 2: much attention and want people to admire them. People with
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  Speaker 2: this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care
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  Speaker 2: about the feelings of others. Now, like I was saying before,
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  Speaker 2: I do think that people throw this word around a
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  Speaker 2: bit because it's supposed to be like the most extreme
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  Speaker 2: of the extreme, Like it's a personality disorder according to
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  Speaker 2: you know, psychiatrists, when you're in the seat, right, But
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  Speaker 2: if it's a person's a little egotistical, a little self centered,
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  Speaker 2: loves the stage, loves getting attention. Not all those people
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  Speaker 2: are narcissists. Okay, so that's why this is a big
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  Speaker 2: word to use here. So Chris says this quote. The
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  Speaker 2: creator of the show was pause severely. One of the
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  Speaker 2: toughest things about narcissism is you will never I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to say never, but very rarely that a person
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  Speaker 2: will recognize that about themselves. I was talking to one
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  Speaker 2: therapist about narcissism and she said, I'm just warning you that,
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  Speaker 2: next to a homicidal maniac, narcissism is the toughest thing
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  Speaker 2: to treat. That to have someone self realized and actually
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  Speaker 2: fix that is next to impossible.
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  Speaker 3: It just rarely happens. That's basically let's pause. Yeah, a
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  Speaker 3: couple questions based on the definition. My question for somebody
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  Speaker 3: who obviously his experience in the field would be can
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  Speaker 3: people then, like can they combat this? It's a disorder,
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  Speaker 3: it's a mental health issue, Like can you work on
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  Speaker 3: something like this, you know? Or is this a personality
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  Speaker 3: trait that's just kind of more nurture, like it's just
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  Speaker 3: built or it's more nature, it's built inside of you,
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  Speaker 3: like you born.
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  Speaker 2: This seems like nature to me. I think you can
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  Speaker 2: probably combat the behaviors. Okay, but I think it's it's
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  Speaker 2: just it is built in them, like born like nature
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  Speaker 2: versus nurture.
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  Speaker 3: But it is so when Chris says.
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  Speaker 2: This, it's my clinical point of view, I don't really know.
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  Speaker 3: But when Chris says this, this is obviously like a
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  Speaker 3: diss like this is a hey, this person, like you're
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  Speaker 3: he's not saying, this is just the thing that you know,
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  Speaker 3: the creator of the show needs to work on it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like this is a disc towards who he is
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  Speaker 3: as a person. Is that what we're saying? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. And I do think that he felt comfortable
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  Speaker 2: enough to say this one because obviously Chris because Mike
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  Speaker 2: is no longer with the show too, Chris is no
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  Speaker 2: longer with the show, but also because right now it
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  Speaker 2: is the second round of investigations that are going on
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  Speaker 2: within Warner Brothers about Mike Flais's behavior, it's presumed that
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  Speaker 2: this is the reason that he is no longer with
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, there are some investigations into workplace behavior. They
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  Speaker 2: say it's uh misconduct, These allegations going on. The first
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  Speaker 2: time that he was looked into was in twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 2: when you know, there was the speak of him mistreating
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  Speaker 2: his wife. Yeah, and now this is about like casting
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  Speaker 2: and racism and all this. Yeah, a lot about like
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  Speaker 2: uncomfortable comments he would make while casting.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting. So I guess for some clarity here, because we
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  Speaker 3: did break this story a few weeks ago when it
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  Speaker 3: came out. Is Mike no longer at all associated with
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  Speaker 3: the show or does he still own I mean he
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  Speaker 3: still owns the show, right.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's very strange. He according to my sources that
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  Speaker 2: I've heard, he sold the show a while back, but
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  Speaker 2: has still been the head haun show.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so he is. He is now no longer profiting
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  Speaker 3: from the show. He's no longer involved in the show,
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  Speaker 3: at least as far as we know. His involvement with
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  Speaker 3: the show is done. I mean, when the show airs,
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  Speaker 3: Mike Flie is not making any more money on this show.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that is correct, But we don't know that
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  Speaker 3: for sure, you believe I.
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  Speaker 2: Can't say anything for sure, but I do know that
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  Speaker 2: I was speaking to somebody this is actually a couple
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  Speaker 2: months ago before he left, and I if I was
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  Speaker 2: interpreting correctly, he did sell the show a while ago.
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  Speaker 2: But was still there as part of the running of
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  Speaker 2: the show because he was the creator.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, it's this is an interesting headline. There's a
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: lot here to break down. Obviously, we have the relationship
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: between between Chris and Mike, which hasn't been spoken about
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: until now, so we know it's probably not on good terms.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: We figured it wasn't based on Chris's exit, but we
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: didn't really know for sure. It doesn't seem like the
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: two of them split. Well, Chris is around for a
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: long time. He helped start and kick off this show
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: with Mike.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: They had to work together for a long time, twenty years,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: and you know, for to in this way, you know,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions I have.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Was it always this way between the two of them?
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Did they ever have a good relationship, did they ever
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: get along, like what was the dynamic like for those
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: twenty years or were they kind of walking in their
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: own isolated like areas and would cross paths every now
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: and again and they both needed each other because Mike
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: obviously owned the show for a long time, Chris hosted
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: the show and it was the face of the show.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: But we now are seeing we can assume based on
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: this headline, and based on what Chris said that it
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: did not end in a beautiful manner. Strong words from Chris,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Now I know them both right. I don't know Mike
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: that well. I've seen I've met Mike a few times,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: probably a five or six times in my life.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Was he present in like the boardroom when you were
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: signed to be the Bachelor?
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: No, he was not, but he was at a breakfast
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: that I went to when I was, I guess, interviewing
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: to be the Bachelor or doing you know, there was
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: like three people took me to breakfast and asked me
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: a bunch of questions about why I think I should
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: be the Bachelor, and I was like, I mean, it
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: was a terrible thing to ask me, because I was like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like I think you guys tell me
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: why I should be your bachelor. But he was there
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: for that. I mean, Chris and I have known each
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: other a lot more intimately and had a friendship during
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: the show and after the show. Mike was always nice
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: to me, I guess, but he had no reason not
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: to be. I was, you know, there and gone. So
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: it's not like I had a lot of long longevity
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: with the show Afterwards, but I always did wonder do.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You have had quite a longevity with the show as
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: by association?
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: By association, yes, but I always did wonder what their
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: relationship was like because they are very different people. They are,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, no matter what, they're very different people. I
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: never I've always been curious, even when I was the
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: bachelor of what in the world, Like, who is this
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Mike Feiss guy? Like where is he? You know, is
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: he like watching? So curious to the cast they I'd
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: always be like, is he here? Like is he watching
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: us from a distance? Is he in some control room?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Like is he like puppeteering us around? Or what's what's
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: going on here? So I always was curious about this character.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: But I do know them interesting place where they where
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: they've ended up. I'm going to be intrigued, and we'll
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: break it down for you here on the Almost Famous podcast.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Whenever these this WB investigation continues and kind of comes
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: to a resolution, We'll make sure to fill you in
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: on what they find out. It's interesting the state of
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: the show, and I think it also Ashley, A big
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: question here is where does it What does the show
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: look like without Mike? I mean, if he's been around
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: for this long, had such a control over it for
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: this long. What is the show going to look like
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: creatively for this next upcoming season. It's going to be interesting.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Like what we said in our breaking news podcast that
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you weren't on, Jared and I talked about it, he
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: didn't have a huge involvement with the day to day
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: processes of the show, you know, storylines and such like that,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: but it seems like he did have final say on
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: whoever the lead was. So I think that casting might
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: be a little bit different. I want to ask you
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a question because you are friends with Chris and I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: don't know if you know those personally or not, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: it sounds based on his openness in calling him a narcissist,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that could could we say that maybe Mike had a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: hand in the decision that was firing Chris and he's
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit you know, like this is his moment
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: to kind of be like basking the glory that is
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: his fire, uh, his departure.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't, I mean, I guess I can't say.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I've never asked if Mike had a
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: hand in it. I would have to assume.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I would definitely assume. I think that he was probably
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: if he's the head of making the casting decision for
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the lead, I feel like he's probably had in charge
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: of the decision of Chris leading.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: So here's what we know based on the context clues.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Up until recently, Mike was still running this show, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: so all big decisions had to go through Mike, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: then if he didn't like a decision being made, then
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I bet he had the ability to put his foot
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: down and say no, it's not going to go that way,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: or no, we're not going to choose this person. When
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: it comes to firing your host after twenty years or
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: getting to a place where your host leaves, I don't
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: think we still know if he got fired or if
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: he left, or how legally that's written.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Up both of them. We really don't know how it's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: written up.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike definitely had a saying like we have to.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, if he didn't, then he's not doing his
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: because he still was running the show at the time.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I also think based on Chris's you know and this
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: is such he had such a good he has such
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a good podcast. Right now, we're going to hear a
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: lot from Chris and we're going to seem more unfiltered Chris.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: But the Most Dramatic Podcast has done a great job
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: opening up Chris to speaking his mind more openly. And
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: he said it in one of his first episodes. You know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: he's not unaware of the ratings drops of the show.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: He's not unaware of the struggles of the show, of
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the inner turmoils of the show. He's not unaware of
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: any of that. Right, he still has friends that work
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: in the franchise. He still has friends that work on
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the show, and he can look up the numbers with
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Google and he seemed to do that. It does feel like, yes,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this is like Chris's jab at Mike.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: It doesn't really seem like who Chris has ever been
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: where he wants to like jab somebody, you know, when
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have affiliation with him. But I guarantee you
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: there is some piece of him that's like, yeah, look,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: look what happened when you get when when I'm gone,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Like everything's falling down, Like the franchise is going to
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: change forever, you know, hopefully for the better. We love
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the franchise, we love watching the show. We're big fans
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: of the show. But this is a whole new season.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: In chapter I don't want to understate just how different
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the show is now going to be without Mike there.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: It's the first time we've ever seen it in twenty years.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It has it's gonna be different.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Well, my guess is this, and again it's just assumptions
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: from this mysterious man who is kind of like the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz in a lot of ways, the man
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: behind the curtain. I think that they're going to have
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: more room to experiment and they don't have to go
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: necessarily by a formula with him gone, well.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Sure, I mean, I just don't know enough to know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: like what he was involved in the not and I
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: know this that's be investigation will open us up to Okay,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: where was he putting his foot down? What was the
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: things he was for, and what were the things he
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: was against. We'll know more here very soon about the
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: inner workings of the Bachelor. But this is a very
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: interesting point for anybody listening. I was a lead on
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: this show. Ashley has been very involved in the show
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: and was on the show, and we don't know how
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: it works behind the scenes. I have no idea who
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: was making these decisions. I have no idea how things
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: were getting done. I have no idea who was the
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: gatekeeper to all big things that we were watching on television,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: including editing, including leads, including casting. So we're going to
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: find that out soon. But for us to take a
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: stand right now and say, no, this is how it
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: was going down, we just don't know. And that's part
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: of the interesting part about being so involved in the
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: show is it really is like the Wizard of Oz.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: It is a mystery once, Like behind those cameras. I
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: have no idea what was going on in the controller room.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what was going on at the offices.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I have no idea these conversations.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well let's take a break and we'll
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: get on to some fluffy headlines this week.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: All right, first headline is this Oh my goodness, this guy.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: I love him, dude, He's one of my best friends
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: in the world. I think he's great. He is uh,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: he's one of a kind though, I mean, he just
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: makes you pull your hair out sometimes. Good for Kaitlin. Anyways,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Dean reveals he got Kaylin a third. Yes, a third.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: We talked about the first. I don't know if we
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: ever even talked about the second. But now it's a
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: third engagement ring and they share wedding updates. Good good
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that they have updates. I bet Dean was learning about
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: these updates while Kaylan spoke about him. But it's a
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: third engagement ring, Ashley oh Man.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And the funny ironic thing about all of this is
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that Dean didn't even want her to have an engagement
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you know. He was like, why can't you just wear
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: like a paper ring, or like a rubber band, or
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: just like a band. Wise to have this to be
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: this ideal rock for you. So what happened was he
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: got the ideal rock. Short story guides if you haven't followed,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: He got the ideal rock. It was the rock, not
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: the actual ring. He was going to put the rock
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: on a ring. He put it into a napkin or
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: some sort and put it into the junk drawer in
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: the kitchen. Not surprisingly, it disappeared. It's been months and
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: months and they cannot find it. But he still wanted
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to give her a proper proposal in Hawaii a couple
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: months ago, with an actual ring to put on her finger.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So he went to the jewelry store, got a quote
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: inexpensive ring and did it with that the plan the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: entire time was for her to actually get a ring
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: that resembled the one that was lost, and what happened
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: in this case nice to be a part of Bachelor Nation.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: A jewelry company reached out to him and they offered
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: to make her ring. So she now has a new ring,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: but not on her finger yet, because he's gonna give
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: a her at some time a surprise, maybe in their
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: next trip in Hawaii. He said, sometime before the wedding,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: he will put this new ring on her finger in
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: a special little moment.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Why does he keep making her wait for this stuff?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I've got to talk to him because.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It's the most dean thing ever.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like continued, like, Okay, he lost the first
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: did you know, took her on a hike for the second,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: But this third, Like, just give the girl the ring, Like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: let her wear a ring? Like why does he?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: She doesn't need another moment, No mean.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: To be engaged. She just wants to like enjoy this
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: season of life. But goodness, gracious, this is very This
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: is a very dean story. For anybody listening and wanting
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: to know Dean's personality and kind of his traits. This
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: is a very Dean moment, and I'm sure you can
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: listen to more of Dean and his hysterical antics when
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: it comes to being engaged on the podcast with Jared
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: and Dean.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Their podcast Help We Suck At Being.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Newly Wise with Kaylen as well.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Now right, yeah, it's with iHeart. They have talked a
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: little bit more about their wedding this week. We'll put
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: it out there. She does have two dresses. Their wedding
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: venue is an Aspen and they're going they're leaning in
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: hard to that theme. They said it's kind of like
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Yellowstone vibes. And they got their invitation mock ups this week.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: They said it's beautiful, but Diana is wondering why there's
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: a pair of cowboy boots on the invitation. He's never
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: wear worn cowboy boots and he doesn't think that Caitlin
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: wears them often.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I can't. I just come on anyway, Speaking
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: of engagement rings, next headline is a good question. Get
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: a question this often. We've talked about it before, but
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: it's been maybe a year or two. What happens to
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: the Neil Laye engagement ring? After Bachelor Nation splits? Former
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Lee explain this, I would yea, I have experienced.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Myself, Ben ben h explain yours, did, Lauren? They just
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: come up to you to go, yeah, an to take
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the red back.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Now, yeah, you get a weird text if you make it, though,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I think it's two years post show, then it's yours
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: to keep.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is, two years supposed show. Or
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you could like buy it from them. Yeah, it might
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: even be at a discount.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I think it's so. I mean, I it needed to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: be at a discount, it was more than my house.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: But the Yeah, you get a weird text that says, hey,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: please turn it in, and you do. And here's the question.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Where does it sit though? And I'm wondering if there's
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: like a drawer, like a graveyard with all these rings,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: or if it goes back to Neielane. Some have argued
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: to me with me here recently. Honestly, people that would
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: be in the know that Neil takes them back and
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: repurposes them, takes the diamonds out and reuses them.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: So what's your take on that, Like, are they cursed diamonds?
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: No? I mean I don't think that, but I'm sure
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: some do. You just would never know. I think it's
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: only cursed if you know it's cursed.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: If it if it was on the finger of a
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: relationship that ended. Sure, it was the symbol of a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: relationship that ended. Yeah, like it's not.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Why don't you want to know? Though, Like if like
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: some legendary couple from Bachelor, like in your Big Bachelor friend,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: like whoa this ring was once worn by But no,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: I mean I know people. I mean I know people
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: who have given rings from like a parent's divorce to
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: their fiance. Really, yeah, it works. It's a ring. So
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: some some believe in the curse of the diamonds, some don't.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: But we do know if you keep it for two years,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: it's yours insurance then transfers over to your name and
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it's yours to keep and you can do with it
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: what you want. So some couples, if they're like on
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: the eighteenth month mark, like you know, I was getting
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: close to some would think, let's just not say anything
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: for six months. Some are like, no, we got to
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: say something like we gotta go on with our lives
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: and uh, and you you fall short of the two
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: months or two year timetable and it goes back to
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: the show. But some of these rings are really expensive.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I mean I saw the other day there was a
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: stat that Bachelor Data did on the most expensive rings
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: from the show, and I think my like the one
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: from my season was the most expensive ever. It was
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: like two It was like.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: It was peaking in size for sure.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So wait, can I pull us up, like I want
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to see the Bachelor Data.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know where it's at. It's going
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: to take a while to find it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: When you say a couple of days ago, do you
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: mean like a couple of months ago?
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Days? Kind of good to go.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Oh no, it's right here. Oh cool, So Katie's what
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: we just saw is three point one carrots? Okay, total carrots? Yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Lauren has the most. How she had the most carrots
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: a little over four carrots. Goodness, and then Whitney was
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: right behind her. So you guys were our little season
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: combo was the Heyday of rings because Whitney was just
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: at four carrots.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I don't miss that ring at all. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: have I've not thought. I really have not thought about
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: it since.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So we're fine, all right, So let's continue with our headlines.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: All right, Here we go. Claire Crawley, she buys a
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: new house with husband Ryan Dawkins. We're building our home together.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Here's what's wild to me, Ashley super excited for Claire.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: It's like still weird for me to read Claire Crawley
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and husband. It feels like it happened fast. It feels
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: like it happened out of nowhere. But it's such a
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: thing that you and I rooted for right for so long,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: going back to COVID when she was announces the Bachelorette,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: We're like, we want Claire Crawley to find love. We
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: do like it's a big deal. But now she's husband Ben.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I get so excited. I think about this often, like
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I literally sitting on the couch and I'm just like,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Claire's married, Like it happened, and I'm so happy about it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Claire kind not out of nowhere, but it happened like
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: without a lot of like lead up, right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well without a lot like uh woo around it,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you know, like it was really just one of those
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: we love each other, we're old enough to know that
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: this is this is the right fit, and we're just
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: gonna do it without a lot of hoopla. Okay, fair enough,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: all right, So this is what's going on with their
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: life right now. She's had the house in Sacramento. He's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: had a house in Oakland, and they've been like kind
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: of splitting their time between them, but they don't have
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: a house together yet, and they just found what they
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: love so much. It'll be shared with them, of course,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and his daughters. They are not fully moved in yet
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: because they're doing redoing a lot of it. She says,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: they have a ton to do. They came in and
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: checked on everything. She came to check on the grass
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: because she's obsessed with the grass. She says it's been
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: hard to find a house with such a beautiful yard
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: in lawn. She's super stoked about it. And while she
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: was there, she got on Instagram and shared that this
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: was a new house. She said that she loves the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: fact that they have fruit trees like lemon trees and
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: lime trees and orange trees. That's really cool. And she
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: has so many more ideas for what she wants to
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: plant in there with time, and she's just been really
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: stoked to build a home together and make it exactly
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the way they want it. She said that she's going
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to be hitting up Instagram a lot because she needs
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: help with you know, from all the followers on like
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: this for that, because it's the first time that she's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: going to have to compromise in putting a together a
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: house with somebody else, because she's alway kind of done
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: it herself.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Well, next headline is this former bachelorette Trista Setter says
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: producers sold my clothes during filming. Now, this was said
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Ashley on The Almost Famous OG's podcast, which is a
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: great podcast as well within our network. We're big fans
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: of it. We really think it adds something to the
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: flavor in the brand of the Almost Famous podcast. Sure
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: do I have some comments on this?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Okay? Please do? Do you want me to tell the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: story for yeah, tell us the story for it first. Okay,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So Ben Flanne's on the podcast this week. He said
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: he got to keep his suits and she was like, wait,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you get to keep your suits and I didn't get
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to keep any of my dresses. She said she had
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: a connection with Sacks. You know, it was basically like
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: an early like influencer brand deal. She's like, all wear
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the dresses, you give me the dresses, we'll all promote it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Something like that. She said it was her own thing
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the producers. She goes into
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: her closet like halfway through the season, and she's like,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: wear are my clothes? Where are my dresses? She's excited
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: to keep them, keep them, you know, and then they go, oh,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: we've been selling them. And they're like, you've been selling them.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: They've been selling them, and that's some like soap opera things,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: she said, where they sell things in LA And she's like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: wait a second, this was these these are mine my clothes,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: not your clothes, so she said. She Eventually she know
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: she got to keep a couple of nice formal dresses,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: but she was pretty bummed.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well they must have sold them. So my comments
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: on this was I got to keep most of my clothes.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: The only way I did those I wrote a letter
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: to wb uh if you remember. Really, I don't know
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: if I've shared this story or not, but I wrote
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: a letter pretty much saying, hey, uh, I'm going to
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: be your bachelor uh for the next year, right until
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: you announce somebody new. And I don't dress well, like
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: it's just not a part of me. And if you, Jared, yeah,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: if you want to be looking like presentable in all
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: these appearances. Then the clothes that you have, you know,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: tailored for me during my season of The Bachelor, then
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I'll need to have and I'm and I then I
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: did a little stat line where it's like, Okay, this
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: is how many people are six foot four and my weight,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and this is how many people, uh in entertainment are
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: six foot four and my weight. And it's like nobody, right,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Like nobody's that tall and entertainment and those that are
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: are like usually really ripped and they play like giants
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: on shows.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: So I was like, no, that's like Jace Momoa, Like
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Jace Momoa is not much taller than me, and he,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: you know, he's a massive man when it comes to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: everybody else in entertainment.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And so I so all of a sudden, one day,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I get like six boxes of clothes. I still wear
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: most of them, Like I still like my clause. I
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: still have boxes downstairs in our house that have never
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: been opened from the show because like they tailor everything
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: down to your simsuits and underwear, and so nobody else
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: is gonna wear that. And if they don't give you
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the clothes for like Zac season, because they don't do
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: this anymore. After I wrote the letter. They pretty much quit,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: like very like like strictly said, no leads are going
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: to do this anymore. We're not going to set this precedent.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: It goes into the rental closet at like the studios,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: and people can go and rent them for like costumes
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: and stuff anytime they want. But they just I bet,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I bet I have, Like I don't know how much
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the suit's worth. It's the show about me, Like five
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars suits hanging on a rack for the last
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: seven years.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: You're never gonna have to buy a suit again. Do
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: not gain or lose any weight, I know.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the stressful part, right, I know exactly where
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I stand, and I had lost so much weight during
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: my season that some of it does not look fit. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: but it's interesting they sold him. It feels like a
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: very bachelor thing to do and like a really like
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: interesting story where it's like, sorry, I didn't know, Yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. We weren't supposed to sell them. I
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: didn't know they were actually yours.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, ben One, that was so business avy
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: of you. I'm proud.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: You looked up stats.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the only way to make a good argument. Well,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and here's the sad part about my story is, you know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I got to keep some of the watches from that season.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: There's some nice watches. There was like three watches that
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: got to keep, and I had them in a in
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: a box with my grandfather's watches that he had given
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: me when he passed. And that's the box that got
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: stolen when my house got broken into in Denver. Everything
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: got taken. And so I don't have any of those things. Yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: this stink. So I don't have that, but I had
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: the clothes. I do have a Hugo Boss suit. I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I still be looking good.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: At Jared only wears his Armani suit that he got
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: from the date in the museum the helicopter. Yeah, he
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: was like the male Cinderella date basically, and it's the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: only thing he wears. And we have a very formal occasion.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: He looked good. Well. Sarah Herron tries out new prosthetic
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: arm can finally hold Dylan's hand.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: She says, yeah, so sweet. So she decided to get
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: a prosthetic armed with the hand. She said that it's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: just gonna, you know, make her life a little easier.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: But She's got a lot of practice to do with it,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and they're still tweaking it so that it fits her
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the best. She said, this is the most It's called
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the CEO vv I hand and is the most advanced
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: of its kind for the intuitive default grip pattering. That's
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: pretty scientific sounding, but you know it's because it's able
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: to like grip like very naturally, and it's it's able
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: to input custom made gestures into the device. That's cool.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: But basically she feels really nice that now when she's
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: in the passenger seat of the car, she can hold
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Dylan's hand while they drive, and that's something she's wanted
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: to do it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: It's so cool. That's so great. Well, uh, hey, Ashley.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: This week I was in South Indiana and I did
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: a speaking engagement at Notre Dame right and it went
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: really awesome. They were incredible, great turnout to the event.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: But after the event, they said, Ben, what we really
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: want is to FaceTime one of three people, Ashley, I
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Ken Eddie, and I said, Ashley might be my go
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: to here, Like I was going to text you. I
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: didn't have any service, but I was going to be
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: texting and be like, hey, I need to FaceTime you
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: to make a hundred people happy. I've done that to
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: you before in a bar a.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Couple of weeks ago, and it was so fun that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: She loved you. Yeah, I loved you, Caitlin Bristow or
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Chris Harrison. But I was like, I think I could
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: get Ashley on the line. That's that feels safer. Well,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: the next headline is about one of those three. It's wait,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I have any service? It was like in that Yeah,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: I tried. I was going to and then I was like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: you know what, I don't have any service. And that
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: was my excuse. I was like, see, can't do.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: It like you're like, but Chris Harrison and Caitlin Bristol
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: are too big of celebrities, even if they are good
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: friends to just randomly call or I just like.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I don't talk to them enough. I get it to
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: like randomly FaceTime them with one hundred random people. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: talked to you enough where I'm like, hey, I'll do it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: See where Ashley's at. I bet she's like hanging out
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: all right. Kaitlin Bristol reveals ABC salary stuns Bachelor Nation
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: with this reveal.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, but she doesn't actually say what she got she
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: said that they haven't offered her. Okay, they offered her
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: to be the Bachelorette forty thousand, and she said that
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: you'd think at that at that dollar sign, she'd say, jackpot,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: sign me up. Because she's very open about the fact
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: when she was on Chris Sol's the season of The Bachelor,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: she had like zero dollars in her bank account. Yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and so it was like tempting. But then she didn't
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: accept the offer because she was advised. But I think
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: her dad to hire an entertainment lawyer. Yes, with their stepdad,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and he changed a lot in the contract and negotiated
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: it big time for her. And then one of the
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: executive producers said, you got an entertainment lawyer and you're
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: asking for this amount of money. I'm sorry, Brice, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I thought this show was about love for you, I mean,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and then she goes, basically, well, f off, it's about
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: love and money. Okay, they go hand in hand for
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: me right now, which is great and I'm so glad
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: she did this, but it has me wondering, just as
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: somebody who closely knows producers, which one said that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: All of them trust me. They all play this like
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: guilt game with you, like, you can't ask for more money?
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: This is about love. Don't you want to be here
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: for the right reasons. You would hate if the cast
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: would find out how much you're getting paid from this
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: season and think that you're not here for the right reason.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, friends say this.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Oh they're all guilty of this. Many They also.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Don't want, like the lead to be making more money
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: than they are.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't think we were like trust me.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, Caitlin did our souls did our I I
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: did not hire an entertainment lawyer, and so as a result,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I was pretty much like, sign me up, I'm here.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: The rumor in my land is that you guys are
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: basically told to tell them how much you made the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: previous year at your normal job. Then they match it
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: is that true? Accurate? It's not on your Yeah, and
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: so you are like writing instruction manuals.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Making like nothing. Yeah. They you know you remember this
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: questionnaire When you actually go on to the Bachelor or Bachelor,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: they do a big questionnaire with you about your life,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: and you say, like, I think there's a question how
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: much do you make in your normal job or annually?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: You don't know that it's actually been a negotiation prop
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: for later on when they're like star dang. But good
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: for Kaitlin. I think she's right. It is love and money.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think anybody who is in their twenties or
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: thirties or forties that get asked to be on the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: show or asked to be the lead should not then
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and say, well, hey, I want to try to make
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: the most out of this, not only when it comes
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: to love, but financially for the future as well, because
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I'm leaving my job for this show and I don't
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: know what life looks like on the outside when I
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: go back. So I have no problem with some negotiation.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Here's the problem though, or I guess here is a
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: little insight. They must have really wanted Caitlin, because typically
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: when somebody pulls this move and they negotiate and they
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: hire a lawyer and they ask for a lot more money,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: the show will just move on like they'll say, Okay,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: we'll find somebody else. But they must have really wanted Kaitlin.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: And oh but.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: That brings up another part that I totally forgot to mention.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: She was, of course up against Brittan Nielsen, and they
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: said to her that she contracted that even if Britt
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: got the lead role, yeah, that she still was owed
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the amount of money that they came up with, and
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: that is so smart. I mean that also made them
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: definitely towards the Kaitlyn's.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, we got money wrapped up in Kaitlin. It's like, yeah, yeah,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: It's like a contract negotiation in sports, like who's getting
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: paid more and are they going to get more playing
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: time or not?
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Well exactly, Ben, I have to ask you a headline
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: making question.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, what's up.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Caitlin was offered forty thousand? Did you get less or
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: more than that amount?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: More?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: I got more, and.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: You know that Caitlyn got more too than for obviously,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: You got more than I did. Yeah. You know, when
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: you're in the lead circle, like you kind of call
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: some people and be like, hey, how much should I
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: be asking for? It's uh, forty was I think the
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: starting price that they asked. But I don't know that.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: I mean for Caitlin. But I'm assuming yes, she got.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: More and that the guys are offered more often.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know that. I don't have any clue the
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: like again, the behind the scenes of the Bachelor's a
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: mystery to many, and but I do know that, Yes,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: every producer seems to know the strategy of wait, no
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: way you're asking for that much money, No way you're
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: asking for more. Like they the guilt, the guilt trip
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: is there. But I get it right. I mean, it's
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: their negotiation, it's yours. You're in negotiation with against each
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: other until you sign the contract, and then you're on
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: the same team. They play their game, you play yours,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: and you see where it spits it out.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: One last question. Okay, so rumored that Crystals made basically
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: more than any other bachelor because he was Nobody really
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: talked about it, but he was basically a millionaire and
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: his yearly salaries was pretty high. I think, so, do
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: you know that that he is one of the higher paid,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: if not the highest paid, of all the bachelors.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I know he made more than I did. I know that, Yeah,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I would assume. So. I mean, I think you can
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: go back and read even past like headlines of where
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: like the Emily Maynards and those like obviously have been
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: on record to be some of the most paid leads,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: and I think Chris is always up there. I mean,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming the prince, like if he had his annual salary.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that was pretty ridiculous, so he might have
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: made a lot. I don't know, but yeah, Chris did fine. Well. Actually,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: that's all the headlines we have for you today. A
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: lot of headlines today, a lot of stuff going on
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: in Bachelor Nation. We'll be back next week breaking it down.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Now here's my final thing. I have to do it
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: because I'm selfish. I leave tomorrow for Dallas, Texas to
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: play in the Invited Celebrity Classic Golf tournament alongside on
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: the tournament forty other celebrities, Imit Smith, Tony Romo, Pad Rodriguez.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: It's going to be great. Albert Poohols, who actually get
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: to play with on Wednesday, very exciting. It's gonna be
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: on NBC. Check it out if you see the leader board,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: just scroll down a bit. I'll be there hopefully above wells.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a great time. But we will
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: be back here next week talking about it, sharing all
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: the stories.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: So hey Ben, Hey Ben, Yeah, why aren't your best
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: friends with Tony Romo?
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I think you play like in every golf tournament with him.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Oh well, you'll like.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Secretly be our best friends. We just haven't done we're
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: best friend. He's a fan.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: We just haven't like announced it yet that we're best
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: but we're best friends. I have a good story about
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Tony Romo and our friendship that I'll share next week
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: on the episode. How about that?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Is it a true story or just a cliffhanger that
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: you're making up?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: It's very true, very very true.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm excited, and I think you're gonna add another
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: story this week. So good luck. Ben. We're rooting for
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: you. You're an awesome golfer and we love you well.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I love you all until next time. Ashley, I've been Ben,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: I've been Ashley.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 48:31
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