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Historical Pretendians w/ Franchesca Ramsey · Scam Goddess

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Speaker 1: Scam, Come froe, scam, come.
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Speaker 2: Rob from Goddess. What's popping?
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Speaker 3: Congregation, Welcome back to another installment of the podcast all
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Speaker 3: about robbery, fraud and those who practice it. Scam Goddess
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Speaker 3: with me Lacy Mosley aka Scam Goddess, and y'all already
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Speaker 3: know I'm very what excited, Yes, thrilled, elated, We lit
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Speaker 3: I have Honestly at this point she hasked to me,
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Speaker 3: first lady of the church. Okay, she sits in the
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Speaker 3: front pew and she's allowed to wear hats.
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Speaker 2: Today.
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Speaker 3: We have a genius goal, my friend, and a congregation
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Speaker 3: darling on the show. She's a comedian, actress, podcaster, and
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Speaker 3: writer queen Okay, you may have seen her in MTV's
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Speaker 3: Decoded Superstore and Shit White Girls Say to Black Girls.
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Speaker 3: That's such an iconic video. You have many iconic videos.
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Speaker 3: She's also a co host of Wondery's podcast Black History
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Speaker 3: for You. Congregation, please welcome Francesco Ramsey to the show.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I think this is four four
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Speaker 2: at this point.
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Speaker 3: You might be the host paperwork Okay, yeah, I've been
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Speaker 3: here a few times.
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Speaker 2: Am I trying to trick you into being the host?
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Speaker 2: Of this shit. I have no complaints because one thing
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Speaker 2: I need is a job. I love. We love unemployment,
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Speaker 2: yes we do. You of all people, you got atue
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Speaker 2: on lock all the time to stop loving employment so much.
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Speaker 2: It's jailing me. Oh that's a.
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Speaker 4: First for you, because I'm always the one telling you
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Speaker 4: you need to slow down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and I have yet to slow I'm trying.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually doing my level bit.
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Speaker 4: No, but you know you're you're booked and blessed, so
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Speaker 4: we're okay with them, right.
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Speaker 2: It's like I want to be like yeah, please, but
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Speaker 2: I'm also like gohad no, keep it coming, god please. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So we always ask on this podcast, what is your
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Speaker 3: relationship to scam?
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Speaker 2: Says?
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Speaker 3: There been any scams recently? Any scams you're interested in
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Speaker 3: the news? Any scams you run past statute limitations.
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Speaker 2: It could literally be anything.
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Speaker 4: I am not a scam girly myself. I walk the
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Speaker 4: straight and narrow, except for I'm not straight for a narrow.
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Speaker 4: But I think I told you about this that my
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Speaker 4: Facebook fan page got hacked. Oh yes, yeah, and this
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Speaker 4: is a thing that's been happening to a lot of people.
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Speaker 2: They really target people that have.
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Speaker 4: Large profiles on Facebook, people like actors, podcasters, YouTubers, and honestly,
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Speaker 4: the scam is so genius and well done because it
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Speaker 4: didn't set off any alarm bells to start. Basically, I
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Speaker 4: got asked to do an appearance on a show and
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Speaker 4: it was going to be run through Facebook, and in hindsight,
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Speaker 4: I should have flagged that it was like the Kelsey
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Speaker 4: Brothers show, Like what is their Travis Kelce Oh, I
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Speaker 4: don't know what, yeah, whatever their show is. And I
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Speaker 4: was like that's weird, Like why would they want me
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Speaker 4: on their show? Like I don't do anything about sports,
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Speaker 4: And I was like should I delete like any shady
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Speaker 4: things I posted about tailor? But they were like, oh,
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Speaker 4: we want you on the show and it pays paid
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Speaker 4: like three thousand dollars And I was like okay, okay, cool,
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Speaker 4: Like none of those things again. The the forum felt
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Speaker 4: a little weird, but I've done weird panels and you know, well,
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Speaker 4: we've done all sorts of weird stuff, and like the
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Speaker 4: three thousand dollars to me, wasn't a red flag, like
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Speaker 4: it's it's not a small amount, but it's not a
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Speaker 4: huge amount that I would be like, that's unreasonable. They
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Speaker 4: went through my my management company. Again, not a red
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Speaker 4: flag at all. And then we went back and forth
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Speaker 4: over email, scheduling a time to get on the Zoom
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Speaker 4: to do like a tech check. Again not a red flag.
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Speaker 4: You do a tech tuck sometimes when you record from home,
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Speaker 4: of course, so I get on the Zoom and the
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Speaker 4: guy doesn't turn his camera on.
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Speaker 3: E he No, that's not a red flapp because sometimes
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Speaker 3: I get on Zoom or or oh my god, I
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Speaker 3: hate Google Meet. Anytime somebody's like Google Meet, I'm like,
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Speaker 3: why why do you hate me? But I I do
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Speaker 3: sometimes get on those calls and not have my camera happens.
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Speaker 4: And he said that he was in his car, you know,
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Speaker 4: and like he did have an accent, and I was like, well,
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Speaker 4: I mean maybe you know, I don't know, Like in hindsight,
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Speaker 4: there were all of these moments.
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Speaker 3: Long story, so why are you scheduling something in the
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Speaker 3: U and your car for technical things?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 4: Well, it was it was to check my like audio
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Speaker 4: levels and my camera and like I sat up my
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Speaker 4: light and you know, just doing the tech So long
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Speaker 4: story short, he has me long into my Facebook and
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Speaker 4: on the back end of Facebook, there's all these different
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Speaker 4: like weird settings and the stuff that I just never
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Speaker 4: used before. And he was having me adjust the settings
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Speaker 4: and add and add like some paid promotions in order
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Speaker 4: to get paid through Facebook.
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Speaker 2: This is what he told me.
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Speaker 4: And then as soon as I did it, nothing happened,
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Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, I guess it's not working.
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Speaker 4: He said, oh, I guess not, and then, unbeknownst to me,
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Speaker 4: whatever link that he was able to see through screen sharing,
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Speaker 4: he used that link in order to add himself as
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Speaker 4: an admin to my Facebook. So and it was truly
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Speaker 4: so quick and seamless. I didn't give him my password,
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Speaker 4: I didn't give him my email again. This was a
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Speaker 4: very long process because we had gone through multiple different
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Speaker 4: calendar invites and coordating with my management. All of it
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Speaker 4: seened on the up and up. The next day I
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Speaker 4: went on my Facebook and there was like a strange
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Speaker 4: man added to my Facebook account.
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Speaker 2: I said, who is that?
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Speaker 4: And then I was kicked out of the Facebook account.
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Speaker 4: It was so upsetting and so violating, It felt so stupid.
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Speaker 4: Was so mad at myself, and then I realized like
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Speaker 4: they had been hitting everybody. They hit our in they
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Speaker 4: hit like they were basically going to every comedian actor,
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Speaker 4: in our little circle, and so thankfully I was able
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Speaker 4: to get my account back. I got like the Facebook
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Speaker 4: premium in order.
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Speaker 2: To talk to somebody on the tech side. But that
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Speaker 2: might be the scam. Now. Facebook be like, well, if
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Speaker 2: you want a bit, then hey, yes, it was.
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Speaker 4: I think it's like five dollars a month or something
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Speaker 4: like that. It's the only way you could talk to
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Speaker 4: someone at Facebook. Otherwise it's just like a black void.
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Speaker 3: And they were working with the scammer. They're like, okay,
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Speaker 3: steal a.
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Speaker 2: Care for five dollars.
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Speaker 3: It as okay, mister Suckenberger knows how to make a
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Speaker 3: colla if you zuck if you will.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he wanted my My five dollars are the thing
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Speaker 4: that pushed him over the edge into that that top
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Speaker 4: one percent. Yeah, it's I made a video about it.
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Speaker 4: And it's so sad because that video has gotten, you know,
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Speaker 4: a decent amount of traction. But every single time, like
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Speaker 4: I always get people reaching out to me because they've
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Speaker 4: seen that video and they're like, oh my god, the
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Speaker 4: same thing.
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Speaker 2: Happened to me.
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Speaker 4: My account is gone and they're not able to get
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Speaker 4: it back, and it's really it's it's wild that the
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Speaker 4: scammers have now invested this much time. This is not
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Speaker 4: a quick pump and dump.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, listen, Scamming is a career, Okay, it's a
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Speaker 3: profession that worked just as hard as me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's at the I think it's at
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Speaker 4: the recession has also hit the scammers because they're just
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Speaker 4: more persistent.
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Speaker 2: Because they have to work a little. They know we
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Speaker 2: don't have any money, right, and so they know they
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Speaker 2: need to.
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Speaker 3: Really they're putting in the time, the effort, the fake receipts,
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Speaker 3: they all photoshop, real bag, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: They got in design, they make a magazine. They're working,
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Speaker 3: and I fully believe that they're using AI for these.
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Speaker 3: Uh when you get those random text messages, I don't
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Speaker 3: think those are real people. I think somebody is because
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Speaker 3: sometimes I just fuck with them and they don't seem
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Speaker 3: to risk, like they don't.
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Speaker 2: They don't hit me back either, like hey they do. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: are you at the restaurant?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I mean right now.
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Speaker 4: I just order some onion rings. And then they're like, oh, so,
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Speaker 4: are you wrong number. I'm like, no, it's not the
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Speaker 4: wrong number, it's the right number. I'm here at the restaurant.
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Speaker 4: They're like you sound cute. I'm like, Okay, this is.
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Speaker 2: Not a real person. So I don't know.
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Speaker 4: What the endgame is with those, but they have gotten
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Speaker 4: more aggressive.
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Speaker 2: It's honestly starting to upset me.
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Speaker 3: Like as someone who has been in scams for almost
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Speaker 3: a decade.
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Speaker 2: Now scam is the brand it is, you know. I know,
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Speaker 2: I get on Good Morning America.
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Speaker 3: I tell Michael Strahan, I'm not a criminal, like first
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Speaker 3: and foremost, so I guess we got to get that
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Speaker 3: out of the way.
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Speaker 2: But now every morning I'm.
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Speaker 3: Getting like six to ten scam phone calls and at
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Speaker 3: least eight scam texts.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like every more?
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Speaker 4: Are they telling you that you owe a toll in
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Speaker 4: Florida and in Georgia and if you don't call this number,
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Speaker 4: you get arrested?
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Speaker 2: Or they're like, oh, we know you got debt. Do
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Speaker 2: you need fifty thousand dollars of consolidation?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: Or like what are you talking about? Hey, Bri Barbara.
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Speaker 4: I saw your resume and I have a great opportunity
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Speaker 4: for you where you are going to make three thousand
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Speaker 4: dollars and all I have to do is watch tiktoks.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, first of all, my name's not Barbara.
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Speaker 4: Second of all, I'm interested, right, I'm already watching TikTok.
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Speaker 3: We love your Instagram profile. Would you like to work
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Speaker 3: with our brand and we'll pay you to post like
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Speaker 3: it's so every day?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Everything, and you you know they're getting they're getting somebody.
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Speaker 4: In this economy, people need jobs, and especially if you're
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Speaker 4: somebody who has been applying for lots of jobs and
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Speaker 4: putting your phone number in your email on a lot
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Speaker 4: of these sites, it's conceivable that you might get one
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Speaker 4: of these messages and think, oh, this is somebody calling
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Speaker 4: me back about an application.
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Speaker 2: I'm just confut, Like, what what do they then do?
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Speaker 2: Do you think they ask you for money?
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Speaker 3: No, they send you a fake check that'll take money
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Speaker 3: out of your bank account.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, and right now people need Honestly.
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Speaker 3: It's said that the enemies hit scammers so hard because
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Speaker 3: they didn't used to have to do this much. Who
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Speaker 3: I think they they're hurting just like us. I feel
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Speaker 3: for them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm not there yet.
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Speaker 4: I love that for you, you have ascended to a higher
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Speaker 4: plane of consciousness.
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Speaker 2: Their businesses have been destrolled. Okay, they need work.
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Speaker 3: Too, Yeah not me, but but I mean you have to.
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Speaker 2: You have to applaud the ingenuity. They're trying new things.
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Speaker 3: So they are, and they're working really hard. Almost makes
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Speaker 3: you want to give it to them.
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Speaker 4: But almost makes you want to start a podcast where
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Speaker 4: I honor them every week.
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Speaker 2: Something we hate.
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Speaker 4: Almost makes you want to write a book. Almost makes
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Speaker 4: me want to have a TV show scammers putting the
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Speaker 4: spotlight on you.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
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Speaker 3: Support you, okay, because I know y'all need this. It's like,
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Speaker 3: who are they gonna rob if we're not here?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, that's fairy.
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Speaker 3: God.
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Speaker 2: Now let's get into historic Houdwicks. Let's do it.
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Speaker 3: This is where I were Gale Francesca with a famous
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Speaker 3: con caper group of criminals. We don't know yet. Maybe
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Speaker 3: we like them, maybe we hate them, Okay, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: We'll get your opinions all throughout. So, a UC Berkeley
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Speaker 3: professor who had been presenting herself as Native American for
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Speaker 3: decades recently apologized because she finally looked into it and
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Speaker 3: it turns out she's white.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I I feel.
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Speaker 3: Like we have had so many Rachel dolosol you will
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Speaker 3: there will be a day in hell that is marked
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Speaker 3: specifically for her. I'm going to say that she is
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Speaker 3: the reason for the season of all of these people
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Speaker 3: cosplaying as other races.
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Speaker 2: Listen. But at least Rachel went out and got herself
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Speaker 2: a perm and a hand. Listen.
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna give that white woman any sliver of
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Speaker 4: an inch of credit.
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Speaker 2: This is And yeah, she had the nerve to be
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Speaker 2: a professor. Oh yeah, she helps my spaces and started
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Speaker 2: running them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what Rachel was doing. But that's what
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Speaker 3: this mom was doing too. And it looks she said, look,
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Speaker 3: I looked at up. It turns out I'm just like
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Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren. I feel like she knew before she knew
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Speaker 3: before she looked it up.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. She was like, I'm a little bit native.
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Speaker 3: I could be sure, so childhood pow wows.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what a little native. Yeah. Yeah, she
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Speaker 2: got the dark.
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Speaker 3: Hair, the hooded eye, a little olive skin tone.
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Speaker 2: Okay, she wearing the jewelry. So at least she pays
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Speaker 2: some natives, yeah to have the drip.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hmm, I can't see no, no, no, no no.
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Speaker 2: I just made a noise. I didn't say anything yet.
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Speaker 4: I could see that people might have been assuming she
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Speaker 4: was native, so it's probably a thing she was hearing
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Speaker 4: a lot. But I still am going to go with
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Speaker 4: my gut here that she knew that she knew from
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Speaker 4: the starch. But the only thing that I'm giving her
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Speaker 4: is that visually, it's not like she's doing like brown face,
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Speaker 4: which Rachel Dolazol was definitely hidden that fans.
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Speaker 2: She was by the Queen Latifa collection and Rubbinette shit
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Speaker 2: on the every day.
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Speaker 3: I mean she maybe she was just going with the
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Speaker 3: bid after a while, sometimes you just gotta.
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Speaker 2: Go with it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not into it.
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Speaker 3: Well, Elizabeth Hoover, that should have been her first giveaway
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Speaker 3: that she wasn't native. Grew up in Albany, New York,
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Speaker 3: thinking she had mixed Mohawk and Megabak.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm saying that right.
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Speaker 3: French, English, Irish and German ancestry. Her mother, Anita, told
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Speaker 3: her about her great grandmother, a Mohawk woman who married
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Speaker 3: an abusive French Canadian man and drowned herself in a
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Speaker 3: river in order to escape him, leaving five children behind.
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Speaker 2: That's a lot, Yeah, that is a lot.
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Speaker 3: Unless she was the last of the Mohicans yeah, I mean, yeah, okay,
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Speaker 3: I'm glad to get a little bit more context here.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't make it that much better, but.
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Speaker 3: Like kind of a traumatize the story for your mama, right,
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Speaker 3: And you don't want to be like that sounds fishy,
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Speaker 3: like that's giving victim blaming.
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Speaker 2: So she wanted to she wanted to believe m Yeah,
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Speaker 2: so Anita.
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Speaker 3: Her mama took her children, including Elizabeth, to pow wows
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Speaker 3: in western New York and New England, where Native Americans
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Speaker 3: would play music, share crafts, and dance. Elizabeth made friends
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Speaker 3: with other kids, like her friend Tammy, who's also came
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Speaker 3: to the pow wows to reconnect with Native culture they
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Speaker 3: inherited but not had grown up with.
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Speaker 2: And look we powwows dot com. What I didn't even
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Speaker 2: know about this? Oh wow, see they tell you where
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Speaker 2: all the Powow's happening.
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Speaker 3: Got a veteranus pow wow and June okay, well you
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Speaker 3: know what, i'ms along the HUDs side.
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Speaker 4: When you when you first said it, in my mind,
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Speaker 4: I was thinking just like very stereotypical, like white people
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Speaker 4: trying to emulate Native Americans but knowing that they were
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Speaker 4: going to again, the bar is literally in the Earth's core.
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Speaker 4: But they were obviously supporting local Native people by going
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Speaker 4: to these events.
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Speaker 2: So okay.
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Speaker 3: By the time Elizabeth was a teenager, she had taken
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Speaker 3: on a Megamock name which translates as mountain flower, which
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Speaker 3: she says was given by an elder at a ceremony.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so she got she got rebirthed. Yeah, okay, I
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Speaker 2: mean she really went all.
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Speaker 3: In, but the dedication is there. I'm I'm waiting for
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Speaker 3: the red flags to show up because I really have
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Speaker 3: a feeling. Before she got all the way to sign
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Speaker 3: in at W two, she she knew something wasn't right.
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Speaker 2: So she was quoted in Parade magazine in nineteen ninety
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Speaker 2: six speaking out against racist mascots in sports. See so
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Speaker 2: she af to gate.
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Speaker 3: Okay, the quote is being of Native American descent, I'm
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Speaker 3: annoyed at mascots like Indians or chiefs or braves and
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Speaker 3: the mock war whoops and chanting that often accompany these names.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not wrong, She's not wrong. You don't have
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Speaker 2: to be native to have some sense. That's true.
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Speaker 3: Because she was like giving it more credis because she
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Speaker 3: was like, also, these are my people.
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Speaker 2: So that's why I'm very mad and upset.
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Speaker 4: I'm very mad that she took away an opportunity for
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Speaker 4: a real Native person to be quoted in that article.
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Speaker 2: But that's just.
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Speaker 3: Me me, she'd be in the ally. Listen, all these
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Speaker 3: protests recently against Trump and the administration and and all
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Speaker 3: these people showing up to stop ice detainment and things.
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Speaker 2: It's mostly been white people.
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Speaker 3: And the protests are less dangerous because it's only white people,
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Speaker 3: because the police are like, oh, we don't have a
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Speaker 3: chance to beat up ne girls. No, okay, I guess
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Speaker 3: we'll just let y'all bet. The protests have gotten so chilled.
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Speaker 3: There was one that some white people started speaking out
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Speaker 3: and saying, well, where.
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Speaker 4: Are your childcares? I saw that on thread. She said,
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Speaker 4: Oh it was kind of boring. There was no place
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Speaker 4: for my kids to play. Ma, this is not this
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Speaker 4: is not a function, she said, Oh, why isn't Maybe
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Speaker 4: we could have a bouncy house or a ball pit
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Speaker 4: at the next one.
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Speaker 2: They're new the struggle. Okay, they don't know that.
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Speaker 3: You know when you when you watch it on SELMA
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Speaker 3: they hitting you with hoses or the police beating your ass.
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Speaker 2: They're like we need to date. Like y'alln't got no
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Speaker 2: arts and crafts for the babies or nothing. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 2: that's not the vibe. Like I can't get a little
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Speaker 2: smoothie pop up out here or something. Shit.
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Speaker 3: I'd been to so many protests. When we walked like
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Speaker 3: twelve miles and then it had a double back, and
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Speaker 3: I was like, we didn't get no freedom, did we
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Speaker 3: just did we get closer? It's like maybe maybe, my God,
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Speaker 3: but they're like, we need childcare and snacks and it
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Speaker 3: would be lovely if there was a police as sports.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So academics.
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Speaker 3: As a young adult, being Native was a big part,
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Speaker 3: probably the biggest part of her identity. At college in
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Speaker 3: Western Massachusetts, she organized campus pow wows, and her senior
18:38
Speaker 3: thesis was titled the Self Identification of a Mixed Blood
18:43
Speaker 3: of Mixed Blood Indians in the United States and Canada.
18:47
Speaker 3: After graduation, she went to Brown for a PhD in
18:51
Speaker 3: anthropology and later got a tenured professorship at the University
18:55
Speaker 3: of California, Berkeley. By her early forties, she was one
18:59
Speaker 3: of the most successful Native American academics in the country.
19:06
Speaker 3: She published the twenty seventeen book The River is in
19:11
Speaker 3: us fight not you.
19:14
Speaker 2: It's not a new no, no, no twenty three and
19:20
Speaker 2: me says, no river for you.
19:23
Speaker 3: She was, I'm next to the river. I'm a Jayson,
19:25
Speaker 3: I got my toe in the river. I have riverfront property.
19:29
Speaker 3: I have a timeshare at the river. I'm there every
19:32
Speaker 3: three months.
19:33
Speaker 2: I pay for it year round.
19:36
Speaker 3: So the end of that is fighting toxics in a
19:39
Speaker 3: Mohawk community. So she was fighting people in the community
19:43
Speaker 3: in her book or for the community. As her academic
19:48
Speaker 3: success increased, so did questions about her actual ancestry. So
19:52
Speaker 3: there somebody started being like, I don't know about this. Yeah,
19:57
Speaker 3: an Etsy shop exploded on Okay, I'm intrigued.
20:04
Speaker 2: I do love Etsy.
20:06
Speaker 3: I love Bela. It is something. Okay, I can get
20:09
Speaker 3: anything on there. They make anything, and I love it.
20:13
Speaker 3: Which one you want Michelle Obama earrings? They got it,
20:19
Speaker 3: show yes. So colleagues and students noticed how Elizabeth was
20:26
Speaker 3: always beating, even during presentations at work, and how she
20:32
Speaker 3: would telegraph herself as a Native in her dress and
20:36
Speaker 3: mannerisms in a way that many actual Native people do not.
20:40
Speaker 3: Elizabeth was happy to fuel fantasies of the white imagination
20:46
Speaker 3: of what an authentic Native person was, according to one graduate.
20:51
Speaker 4: Student, Yeah, I mean doing the beat, like not the
20:55
Speaker 4: To me, beating wouldn't have been a red flag, but
20:57
Speaker 4: to be doing it while you're also teaching.
21:00
Speaker 2: She gotta tell you she native all the time. Yeah,
21:03
Speaker 2: that that's a little weird.
21:04
Speaker 3: I feel like she's wearing headdresses too much. She's got
21:09
Speaker 3: to weigh too much turquoise all the time.
21:12
Speaker 2: In that photo she had a lot of like big
21:14
Speaker 2: native jewelry on.
21:16
Speaker 4: Well, the one where she was on the horse, she
21:18
Speaker 4: had like earrings on, and like a necklace when she's
21:22
Speaker 4: wearing a dream she got a dream catcher necklace on.
21:27
Speaker 2: Hang those in your house. I've never seen somebody just
21:30
Speaker 2: rocking it.
21:30
Speaker 3: That's not what Yeah, that's a little Yeah, you gotta
21:35
Speaker 3: stare Bookie. That's a little bit too much. That's that's
21:40
Speaker 3: like when Jesse Smolett was wearing that the noose.
21:45
Speaker 2: It's like you trying too hard. Nobody's just gonna wear
21:48
Speaker 2: a noose after somebody trying to lynch. You're just wearing it.
21:52
Speaker 2: No oh no, yeah she was.
21:56
Speaker 3: She was really given the performance, though, so Simpson, an
22:01
Speaker 3: anthropology professor at Columbia and a member of the Mohawk Nation,
22:05
Speaker 3: who was suspicious of Elizabeth from Jump said it looked
22:10
Speaker 3: like an exy shop exploded on her.
22:14
Speaker 2: Oh, we really thought she got into it with that too.
22:18
Speaker 2: About as I'm trying to.
22:19
Speaker 4: Fight her, No, Audre said, I'm going to give you
22:21
Speaker 4: a creative drag to the degree.
22:24
Speaker 2: Okay, I got it.
22:26
Speaker 3: So in the summer of two thousand and five, Elizabeth
22:28
Speaker 3: had traveled to the area outside of Montreal, where she
22:31
Speaker 3: said her Mohawk relatives were from, to attend a pow wow. Afterward,
22:35
Speaker 3: in an email, she said she ran into people who
22:38
Speaker 3: knew people I'm related to, so that was nice. So
22:43
Speaker 3: she was like, see, yeah, I got an Indian friend. Yeah,
22:49
Speaker 3: or rather a Native friend. I got a Native cousin.
22:51
Speaker 4: But now, but now I'm wondering if that actually happened.
22:55
Speaker 4: She's just because she said it happened doesn't mean it happened, okay.
23:00
Speaker 4: And also we now know she's not Native, so they
23:03
Speaker 4: so you know, like, were they just being nice.
23:07
Speaker 2: Oh you look like somebody eyes somebody I know, you know,
23:10
Speaker 2: or where was she doing it or was she making
23:12
Speaker 2: that up?
23:13
Speaker 3: Because I've definitely seen people who look like me and
23:15
Speaker 3: thought like I didn't realize who they were.
23:18
Speaker 2: Like, I remember being in Vegas, like in.
23:21
Speaker 3: Some VIP section and I went to a bathroom that
23:24
Speaker 3: was unisex and I saw this man and I was like,
23:28
Speaker 3: oh my god, you look so familiar.
23:29
Speaker 2: Are you my cousin?
23:31
Speaker 3: And then we started walking together back to a table
23:33
Speaker 3: and I was like, so he was like, okay, well,
23:35
Speaker 3: where are your family from? What's your last name? And
23:38
Speaker 3: I was like, what's your last name? We are your
23:39
Speaker 3: family from?
23:40
Speaker 2: Who are And then eventually we got back to the
23:42
Speaker 2: table and I realized it was Tank. Oh.
23:46
Speaker 4: I feel like that always happens to celebrities. He was
23:49
Speaker 4: just going along with it because he thought you were cute.
23:52
Speaker 4: He knew that you did not know him.
23:54
Speaker 2: I really thought he was my cousin.
23:55
Speaker 4: He has been famous long enough to know that if
23:58
Speaker 4: a random person says you familiar, you know, No, we
24:03
Speaker 4: don't know each other, Yes, you know.
24:05
Speaker 2: And that probably happens to you all the time. People
24:07
Speaker 2: are like do I know you from somewhere? And then
24:10
Speaker 2: you're kind of like maybe.
24:12
Speaker 3: Or my favorite thing is like I'll meet a fan
24:15
Speaker 3: and they'll be like Lacy, and it's a certain way
24:20
Speaker 3: you can say someone's name that makes it sound familiar.
24:22
Speaker 2: But I was just like Ryan, Yeah, I'll come on here,
24:25
Speaker 2: we'll see.
24:26
Speaker 4: Here's the thing that I have up my little sleeve
24:29
Speaker 4: is because online I'm Chessca Lee. If someone says Chessca,
24:32
Speaker 4: I know they know me from the internet, because everybody
24:34
Speaker 4: in real life says friend, and then everybody from my
24:37
Speaker 4: childhood says Francesca so and then sometimes people are like Chelsea.
24:41
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's definitely Chelsea, it's Jessica Lee. But I
24:46
Speaker 4: could also understand. You know that people have been listening
24:50
Speaker 4: to you in their ear for so long and have
24:52
Speaker 4: followed your career for so long, it does feel like
24:55
Speaker 4: they know you, and especially you know, you're very active
24:57
Speaker 4: on social media. So I'm not surprised that your fans
25:01
Speaker 4: have that familiarity.
25:02
Speaker 2: With you, but it kind of gets me sometimes I
25:04
Speaker 2: look up, like who you know what they don't know?
25:07
Speaker 3: Oh, Lussi diva lac. Yeah, they be like laces, hello,
25:14
Speaker 3: I must know you yell at my name like that.
25:17
Speaker 3: So she says she ran into these people and they
25:20
Speaker 3: were like you my cousin, and she was like yes,
25:23
Speaker 3: and yeah, she could have been lying. How are we
25:24
Speaker 3: supposed to know she's telling the story.
25:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she never.
25:28
Speaker 3: Carefully researched her genealogy or looked for actual relatives. So
25:32
Speaker 3: I guess she was lying even when she was right,
25:35
Speaker 3: because she knew that she was not eligible for tribal enrollment.
25:39
Speaker 3: There was no point, she says. So she was like,
25:42
Speaker 3: even if I found out where they lived, they were
25:45
Speaker 3: my cousin, we can't get those benefits. You can't get
25:49
Speaker 3: the tribal benefits. She began teaching at UC Berkeley in
25:52
Speaker 3: the fall of twenty twenty, which is when people started
25:55
Speaker 3: openly questioning her about her identity. At the time, she
25:59
Speaker 3: thought that it was just petty jealousy, like, y'all want
26:02
Speaker 3: to be Native so bad, y'all wish y'all were Native
26:06
Speaker 3: like me. Yeah, y'all could never You can't even spell natives.
26:12
Speaker 3: Her longtime romantic partner was a crow photographer named Adam
26:18
Speaker 3: Sings in the Timber who had been accused of sexual
26:22
Speaker 3: assault multiple young Native women. So he was also denying
26:27
Speaker 3: allegations at the time. Is not good at Oh, No,
26:35
Speaker 3: that's not good.
26:37
Speaker 2: Is that is that her?
26:38
Speaker 3: No, that's that's him. That's the guy, he's the photographer.
26:41
Speaker 3: But that's not her in the picture I think in.
26:44
Speaker 2: The picture we just saw before. Yeah, that's that's them together.
26:48
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he don't even look okay.
26:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:53
Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty two, Elizabeth finally did look into
26:56
Speaker 3: her genealogy and issued an apology for being white. The
27:05
Speaker 3: first step is admitting you have a problem. Oh you know,
27:10
Speaker 3: white people do not want to apologize for being white.
27:13
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
27:16
Speaker 3: So in October she essentially said, essentially, what I am
27:21
Speaker 3: currently left with is that I do not have any
27:24
Speaker 3: official documentation to verify the way my family has identified
27:30
Speaker 3: a few months later, she published another statement which said, Frank,
27:34
Speaker 3: can you go ahead and read this statement?
27:36
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, let me let me get my fraudulent
27:39
Speaker 4: voice on letter of apology and accountability in all gaps.
27:44
Speaker 4: I have brought harm and broken trust to the Native
27:48
Speaker 4: community at large and to specific Native communities I have
27:52
Speaker 4: worked with and lived alongside, And for that, I'm deeply sorry.
27:58
Speaker 4: I am a white person who has incorrectly identified as
28:03
Speaker 4: Native my whole life based on incomplete information, in uncritically
28:09
Speaker 4: living and identity based on family stories without seeking a
28:14
Speaker 4: documented connection to the ma'am.
28:16
Speaker 2: This is a long ass sentence. I have caused harm.
28:21
Speaker 4: I hurt Native people who have become my friends, colleagues, students,
28:25
Speaker 4: and family, both directly through fractured trust and through activating
28:31
Speaker 4: historical harms. This hurt has also interrupted student and faculty life,
28:36
Speaker 4: along with your beating, ma'am, and careers. I acknowledge that
28:40
Speaker 4: I could have prevented all of this hurt by investigating
28:44
Speaker 4: and confirming my family's story is sooner for this, I
28:48
Speaker 4: am deeply sorry.
28:50
Speaker 3: I love that this apology has so much language of
28:53
Speaker 3: a good apology, but it's also saying my family lats me. Yeah,
28:58
Speaker 3: now they lats me, and I I didn't look it
29:00
Speaker 3: up because they lied to me. So really they lied
29:04
Speaker 3: to me. I mean, look, and I'm a big.
29:05
Speaker 2: Boom she does. She does say, I acknowledge that I
29:09
Speaker 2: could have prevented all of this hurt, And to your point,
29:13
Speaker 2: she should have said that a little earlier.
29:15
Speaker 4: She should have said, I am a white person who
29:18
Speaker 4: I intercorrectly identified, and I also realized this is my fault.
29:21
Speaker 2: I could have done some research the twenty three and
29:24
Speaker 2: me comes straight to the mailbox.
29:26
Speaker 3: No, she had to tell you how it wasn't her
29:27
Speaker 3: fault A lot before she admitted fault. Yeah, I mean,
29:31
Speaker 3: and she also said like she also.
29:33
Speaker 4: Kind of did a thing where she's like, I know
29:35
Speaker 4: a lot of dative people I'm friends with, y'all.
29:37
Speaker 2: I was in the community, I live next to them.
29:39
Speaker 2: There are my friends. Yeah, yeah, I supported y'all.
29:44
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so really, how y'all gonna be bad at
29:47
Speaker 3: me because I've been to homie?
29:51
Speaker 2: So what if I lied about it? Yeah? I mean again,
29:55
Speaker 2: she knows that she could have just done a little
29:57
Speaker 2: bit more digging, and she didn't. And I think to me,
30:01
Speaker 2: that confirms she knew. She knew, she knew, and she
30:05
Speaker 2: just didn't. She just didn't think it was ever gonna
30:07
Speaker 2: come to the.
30:08
Speaker 3: People started calling her out, and that's why she made
30:10
Speaker 3: this apology because I think too many people called her out.
30:12
Speaker 2: So she was like, let me get ahead of it.
30:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all my homies native Okay, I've been to
30:17
Speaker 3: all the powows. Y'all see me, y'all seek me at
30:20
Speaker 3: the powows. Okay, yeah, you was there, but a lot
30:23
Speaker 3: of people was there. Nobody owns more turquoise than I do,
30:27
Speaker 3: y'all know. But also I could have looked into it.
30:30
Speaker 3: She she really really could have.
30:33
Speaker 2: Oh and you know.
30:34
Speaker 4: The other thing that she mentioned that I think is
30:36
Speaker 4: worth noting is like, this is a this is an
30:38
Speaker 4: issue like throughout history where people claim the Native American
30:44
Speaker 4: identity in order to get ahead.
30:46
Speaker 5: You know that commercial with the crying Native American but
30:48
Speaker 5: the garbage that man is not Native American. He now
30:53
Speaker 5: and that is a very famous commercial. That's like one
30:56
Speaker 5: Awards and shit.
31:00
Speaker 2: That he was non Native American. You know, white people
31:04
Speaker 2: haven't wanted to be Native American real bad for a
31:06
Speaker 2: long time.
31:06
Speaker 3: I remember Westerns where they would just put the white
31:10
Speaker 3: people in light skinned face and how are you?
31:13
Speaker 4: Everyone would always say Cherokee. Even the fact that Cherokee
31:17
Speaker 4: is a fucking car is crazy, Like that's insane.
31:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all eat Cherokee. No, that's fucked up. Turned. No,
31:28
Speaker 2: we've turned a lot of Native people to talk about
31:31
Speaker 2: all the teams on the sports teams.
31:33
Speaker 3: I know.
31:34
Speaker 2: It's it's really sick thing.
31:35
Speaker 4: And it's gotten to the point that because people are
31:37
Speaker 4: so divorced from actual Native Americans, they feel like they
31:41
Speaker 4: can claim it because it's not hurting anyone.
31:44
Speaker 2: I don't even know anybody, And it's like.
31:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we have a whole holiday where we
31:48
Speaker 3: lie about genocide. Hello, Thanksgiving, Hello, like they love to
31:52
Speaker 3: be like, oh, well, the pilgrims came over and a
31:54
Speaker 3: Native American was like, y'all come break berry with us.
31:57
Speaker 2: We live, ya know, y'all came over with a bunche
31:59
Speaker 2: of this and then started killing them people. It's still
32:02
Speaker 2: not they things.
32:03
Speaker 3: At one point you were killing buffalo just because you
32:05
Speaker 3: knew they like to eat them, like, y'all hate them people.
32:09
Speaker 2: Real bad, and now you're trying to rebrand it like, no,
32:11
Speaker 2: we loved them. Look, we made them sports teams, we
32:13
Speaker 2: made them vehicles, even though they keep saying, hey, please
32:16
Speaker 2: don't do that. Shut up.
32:18
Speaker 3: We know better than you. Right, we are honoring you,
32:21
Speaker 3: you dumb ass. Right, shut up, bestie, we've been besties.
32:26
Speaker 3: I don't fuck you talk about you. You don't like
32:28
Speaker 3: what we did? Do you know we was having fun?
32:31
Speaker 3: Didn't you see this whole s c story I opened
32:33
Speaker 3: in your honor that you don't profit off of.
32:36
Speaker 2: But at all? Are you grateful for all the shit
32:40
Speaker 2: I've done for you? Yeah? We stole.
32:42
Speaker 3: We stole y'all's tribal names, and we made sports teams
32:45
Speaker 3: at them that we make money off of. That you
32:47
Speaker 3: don't even but we honoring you. Look at the photo.
32:50
Speaker 3: Look at the photo on a guy.
32:52
Speaker 2: Look at this racist ass caricature that we made of you.
32:55
Speaker 2: Don't you feel proud we are honoring you? Friend? Shut up?
33:00
Speaker 2: Shut your answer up, you beautiful majestic need of person.
33:05
Speaker 2: Shut up? Shut up.
33:06
Speaker 3: Yeah y'all got here first, and we stole everything from y'all.
33:09
Speaker 2: Okay, manifest destiny. God told us to steal.
33:13
Speaker 3: What do you mean just like the the level of
33:16
Speaker 3: cognitive dissonance to just be like I am like, I
33:20
Speaker 3: know how to honor you.
33:22
Speaker 2: Shut up. Don't tell me how to honor you. I
33:26
Speaker 2: don't know, though.
33:27
Speaker 3: Manifest Destiny is a banger like sometimes I try to
33:31
Speaker 3: take that in my own life.
33:32
Speaker 2: I'm my God told me to steal. I want.
33:34
Speaker 4: I will also say, manifest destiny. I love a portmanteau.
33:37
Speaker 4: I love when you can mix two words together. It
33:39
Speaker 4: is great, But in theory, in practice, it's not great.
33:47
Speaker 4: A higher power told us to take everything from you
33:50
Speaker 4: and kill you.
33:51
Speaker 2: Okay, not not us.
33:53
Speaker 3: We didn't do it, Oh my goodness. Ever, wonder why
34:02
Speaker 3: some trends are just suddenly everywhere news splash. Nothing gets
34:07
Speaker 3: popular by accident On the It's Been a Minute podcast,
34:10
Speaker 3: they take the things you and everyone else are obsessing
34:13
Speaker 3: over and show you the invisible forces behind the scenes
34:17
Speaker 3: that make us.
34:18
Speaker 2: Love or hate it.
34:20
Speaker 3: Listen to the It's Been a Minute podcast today and run.
34:25
Speaker 3: I mean, we've dissected this apology. We know it's Yeah,
34:30
Speaker 3: I may.
34:30
Speaker 2: Say it's like a C plus. It was short, was it?
34:35
Speaker 2: I think?
34:36
Speaker 4: I mean to her credit's two paragraphs. I mean sometimes
34:38
Speaker 4: you see these these uh apologies and they're really long.
34:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not all that they wanted to be convoluted,
34:44
Speaker 3: so you can't really understand.
34:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and again to her credit, this is
34:49
Speaker 4: pre Chatgypt, so you really do she put those she
34:52
Speaker 4: typed that her She really put fingers to the keyboard.
34:55
Speaker 4: It wasn't great, but she actually, you know, in a
34:58
Speaker 4: rare instance, she did.
35:00
Speaker 2: She she just was raising her hand. Wait is it
35:03
Speaker 2: is it post? It's very long? Actually, oh we saw
35:08
Speaker 2: the Oh there's bullet points. Oh no, oh no so
35:15
Speaker 2: lo oh no oh oh there's a bibliography. This is crazy. Oh,
35:24
Speaker 2: this is real. She's still.
35:27
Speaker 3: Got she got thoughts of her holding corn, she got
35:30
Speaker 3: a butt off her holding mayas.
35:34
Speaker 2: Oh I'm done, I'm done. Oh my god, this is
35:38
Speaker 2: really this is that is way longer. I thought it
35:43
Speaker 2: wasn't like too bad grass. Oh yo, we'll try to
35:47
Speaker 2: post the whole post. Yeah, it's the grip. It's comedically
35:51
Speaker 2: longer than we thought. There were like fourteen bullet points.
35:55
Speaker 2: There's so many paragraphs. There's an addendum. No initialmitments going forward. Okay,
36:02
Speaker 2: oh yeah, this is I have oh wait, wait, wait
36:04
Speaker 2: wait Scarlet Horra Paus in her commitments going forward.
36:09
Speaker 3: One of them says, I have put away my dance regalia, ribbon, skirts, mockasins,
36:15
Speaker 3: and native jewelry.
36:16
Speaker 2: That sounds like the lyrics to a song.
36:18
Speaker 3: I have put away my dance regalia, ribbons, skirts and moscains,
36:24
Speaker 3: like right, it's just like laying your burdens down, like
36:27
Speaker 3: it just sounds by the river that she lived next
36:30
Speaker 3: to with all the native people, she laid them all
36:33
Speaker 3: down by the river. It says, I have a gun
36:35
Speaker 3: to give away some of these things to people who
36:38
Speaker 3: will wear them better. I gave all the drip back
36:40
Speaker 3: to the actual natives.
36:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I returned. Oh she said, I did reparations. I mean,
36:46
Speaker 2: I'm I'm.
36:47
Speaker 3: Conflicted because I do think it's good that she's saying, like,
36:50
Speaker 3: here's what I'm gonna do, but like, this is so longtly,
36:54
Speaker 3: there has to have been a shorter way to say
36:57
Speaker 3: all this. Right.
36:58
Speaker 4: Oh, she does say, I will cantinue to funnel the
37:00
Speaker 4: proceeds from my talks and book sales in the native farm,
37:05
Speaker 4: food sovereignty and educational programs. You know, I like writing
37:08
Speaker 4: a check. I will make additional donations to practitioners in
37:11
Speaker 4: these fields.
37:12
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's positive.
37:14
Speaker 3: I mean, I just this, if it's gonna be this long,
37:16
Speaker 3: in this detailed, tell us exactly how much money you
37:19
Speaker 3: give it to them and where it's going to so
37:21
Speaker 3: we can't verify it.
37:22
Speaker 2: You just said you was just gonna give money out
37:24
Speaker 2: to the ether people. We don't know. You didn't tell
37:26
Speaker 2: us how much money, so I don't know if you
37:28
Speaker 2: won't give them money. It just sounds like you're like,
37:31
Speaker 2: and I will give them the money. What's them? How
37:35
Speaker 2: much money?
37:36
Speaker 3: When?
37:37
Speaker 4: I mean, look again, I don't know if this Woman'm
37:39
Speaker 4: not trying to give her too much credit, but I
37:41
Speaker 4: would hope that if she's saying this knowing there's this
37:44
Speaker 4: huge spotlight on her, if she's really not giving money,
37:47
Speaker 4: to somebody.
37:48
Speaker 2: The organization can be like, we don't know how, but.
37:51
Speaker 3: We don't know the organization, right, I'm so how could
37:53
Speaker 3: anybody clock it and be like, she ain't send us
37:55
Speaker 3: shit because she didn't tell us who she was sending
37:57
Speaker 3: it to. So everybody could assume that somebody got the
38:00
Speaker 3: money because she never told us who was getting the money. Yeah,
38:05
Speaker 3: that sounded like a scam to me.
38:06
Speaker 2: Scam one on one.
38:09
Speaker 3: Yes, just that's like if I pretended to have like
38:13
Speaker 3: cancer and then people caught me and I say, you
38:16
Speaker 3: know what, I'm gonna support the communities and I will
38:20
Speaker 3: be giving back some of my book money from my
38:22
Speaker 3: cancer book to the cancer people.
38:25
Speaker 2: Who is it's vague, it's very vague. You're not wrong,
38:28
Speaker 2: You're not wrong. It's vague. But she made it so
38:30
Speaker 2: long that it seems like it's something. Yeah, it's this
38:35
Speaker 2: is really really long. And now remember she's tenured.
38:38
Speaker 3: So there's a bullet point that says, I will work
38:41
Speaker 3: with campus partners to provide support to students who have
38:44
Speaker 3: been directly impacted by my inaccurate self identification and an
38:49
Speaker 3: Indigenous scholar.
38:52
Speaker 2: So she said, I'm keeping my job. Of course, I'm tenured. Kid,
38:55
Speaker 2: I'm gonna work with y'all. I don't want to talk
38:57
Speaker 2: to you, but like that feels very manipula. She's like,
39:05
Speaker 2: oh my gosh.
39:07
Speaker 3: Based on ongoing personal reflection, conversations with colleagues, and especially
39:13
Speaker 3: keeping in mind the communities I have worked with, and four,
39:17
Speaker 3: I will gear full research towards supporting people and communities
39:22
Speaker 3: with whom I have an authentic relationship and will support
39:26
Speaker 3: people authentic relationship.
39:29
Speaker 2: I have to jump in. I think you're struggling because
39:32
Speaker 2: this font is atrocious?
39:33
Speaker 1: What is this?
39:35
Speaker 2: Why does she pick this?
39:37
Speaker 4: It feels like she tried to pick a font that
39:39
Speaker 4: looked kind of like rustic, Like it's I maybe this
39:45
Speaker 4: is just like the graphic design nerd in me, but
39:48
Speaker 4: like this is not like a standard AREASEA.
39:53
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, usually you use like a slim sanserah font.
39:57
Speaker 3: This has like a little she just gave us the
40:00
Speaker 3: Times New Roman to be for real, well not not
40:03
Speaker 3: easy to read, but I will say the whatever is
40:07
Speaker 3: on this font, it's like it's like to slim.
40:10
Speaker 2: It's like slim in certain parts and like a little
40:13
Speaker 2: thicker in other parts. Do you know what I'm talking about?
40:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna try to get through this.
40:19
Speaker 3: It's like a sentence, but it's a paragraph.
40:21
Speaker 4: Oh goddess, Yeah, this person is a professor and you
40:24
Speaker 4: don't know how to edit.
40:25
Speaker 2: And that is that is a sentence that is one, two, three,
40:28
Speaker 2: four five lines long. I will gear future resource towards
40:33
Speaker 2: supporting people and communities with whom I have an authentic
40:37
Speaker 2: relationship and will accept spaces where communities ask me to
40:42
Speaker 2: step back. AKA, these are still my homies.
40:46
Speaker 3: So if y'all want me to slide back up like
40:48
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come, I will be transparent about my identity
40:53
Speaker 3: journey and the new role I'm occupying because I'm not
40:57
Speaker 3: leaving uh babes, I'm just gonna be white now. But
41:00
Speaker 3: I still know anything about natives. I know more things
41:02
Speaker 3: about natives than you do as a native, like, I
41:04
Speaker 3: don't studied everything, So y'all not gonna kick me out.
41:07
Speaker 3: In addition to having my research serve the communities I
41:10
Speaker 3: work with, my desire to continue I'm sorry to continue
41:15
Speaker 3: to contribute to student learning and academia more broadly, and
41:22
Speaker 3: I'm i am committed to approaching this with thoughtfulness towards
41:26
Speaker 3: what has happened. Okay, that last and this is just
41:30
Speaker 3: like she was like, I'm just saying stuff at this point,
41:32
Speaker 3: she really is continue contribute student learning academia well, and
41:39
Speaker 3: also thoughtfulness towards what has happened. Lies, lies is what
41:43
Speaker 3: has happened, right, What do you mean thoughtfulness to what
41:46
Speaker 3: has happened? Yeah, I'm very thoughtful about the lies. I
41:49
Speaker 3: told you I thought a lot about that.
41:52
Speaker 2: I thought a lot about it. The thoughts are thoughting.
41:54
Speaker 3: Now I'm still thinking I'm gonna be here, and I
41:59
Speaker 3: think y'all are gonna well.
42:00
Speaker 2: I mean, she knows she's still going to be there because,
42:02
Speaker 2: like you said, she's tenured. Yeah, we can't read no more.
42:06
Speaker 3: It is, but it's very aggressively long, like yeah, she
42:10
Speaker 3: was saying anything and everything.
42:11
Speaker 2: Oh, shout out to your producer, being like, I don't
42:13
Speaker 2: give her no credit. It is actually I want you
42:16
Speaker 2: to see how long it is.
42:18
Speaker 3: Just as crazy for putting it up like no scream.
42:22
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, it's so much more. Oh,
42:25
Speaker 3: oh lady, why would you do this?
42:27
Speaker 2: Like why would you do this?
42:29
Speaker 4: It feels like when you get a book report and
42:31
Speaker 4: you're trying to like fill up the word count and
42:33
Speaker 4: just get it as long as possible, or like and
42:35
Speaker 4: furthermore and so and such and another thing that I
42:38
Speaker 4: really liked, and the thoughtfulness it wish this paragraph was accountability.
42:44
Speaker 2: Students contribute life from the window to the.
42:52
Speaker 3: Wall to the sweat drop down my ball, the skeet skeet,
42:58
Speaker 3: skeet skeet. That gets at least eleven more words like what, Yeah,
43:04
Speaker 3: she was dragging it out in the beginning, God created
43:11
Speaker 3: the heavens and like where are we going?
43:14
Speaker 2: Where are we going? I'm lost?
43:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good scammer thing though, And that was
43:19
Speaker 3: like kind of somebody probably read that and was like.
43:22
Speaker 4: Wow, she really is sad about I mean, she tried
43:26
Speaker 4: to cover all of her bases again, Like I guess
43:30
Speaker 4: that counts for something. But I think just being succinct
43:33
Speaker 4: would have been would have done a little bit more.
43:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that would have meant she was being for real.
43:38
Speaker 2: She wasn't being for real.
43:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was like this what people like, They like
43:41
Speaker 4: when it's long. So what happened after she made this apology?
43:45
Speaker 2: Pro and con scammer arguments? Is she or is she
43:52
Speaker 2: not a scammer?
43:54
Speaker 3: Some people argue Elizabeth is innocent because she didn't know
43:57
Speaker 3: the truth herself. She was just believing what she had
44:01
Speaker 3: been told.
44:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
44:05
Speaker 3: I think that would have held more weight if she
44:08
Speaker 3: was like a kid, But she was fully in adulthood,
44:13
Speaker 3: and you know, this was a huge part of her
44:15
Speaker 3: identity and part of the work that she was doing
44:17
Speaker 3: financially extremely from him, exactly.
44:20
Speaker 4: And there were multiple points throughout the story where people
44:23
Speaker 4: were kind of giving her side eye, And that would
44:26
Speaker 4: have been the time if she really was like, no,
44:29
Speaker 4: I'm ten toes down about in the time to be like,
44:31
Speaker 4: I'll just look the shit up.
44:32
Speaker 2: I'll prove it to you. But I think she was
44:35
Speaker 2: kind of because she knew. I think she knew because
44:38
Speaker 2: if you have a like a receipt, oh, you go
44:41
Speaker 2: grab it.
44:41
Speaker 3: If people are challenging you, I'll go straight to CBS
44:44
Speaker 3: print that long bitch out and be like, look at
44:46
Speaker 3: this right.
44:47
Speaker 4: And she I think I think she knew she didn't
44:49
Speaker 4: have it, especially because her mom said it was like
44:52
Speaker 4: a great grandmother. It's not that far removed. You don't
44:55
Speaker 4: have anybody in your family who has some photos of her,
44:58
Speaker 4: you know, somebody, but you can call and you know,
45:01
Speaker 4: she said herself. Well, I know, I don't have enough
45:03
Speaker 4: ancestry to qualify and get tribal membership. Okay, so you know,
45:11
Speaker 4: just to me, it does feel like very convenient that
45:15
Speaker 4: she can present it as if she just didn't know
45:20
Speaker 4: and she just was going along to get along. But
45:23
Speaker 4: I think she did know.
45:26
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people agree with you, Frand because
45:29
Speaker 3: they think it's weird that she didn't look into any
45:32
Speaker 3: of the real answers, like you just said. Was it
45:35
Speaker 3: because she suspected the truth and didn't want to know?
45:38
Speaker 3: Sometimes we got to be a little delulu. What does
45:41
Speaker 3: it mean to be authentically native? Indigenous identity is complicated,
45:45
Speaker 3: but essentially it doesn't matter if you claim to be native.
45:48
Speaker 3: It matters if a tribe claims you to be.
45:51
Speaker 2: One of them. Oh they're not like us. I don't know.
45:57
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they said, you know what, were good? We good.
46:01
Speaker 2: It's not for me, dog, We're gonna pass.
46:05
Speaker 4: I love that, you know what that I And again,
46:08
Speaker 4: I think this is all speaking to the fact that
46:11
Speaker 4: she did know. She knew she probably couldn't actually withstand
46:16
Speaker 4: the scrutiny of an actual investigation.
46:20
Speaker 3: But sometimes it is complicated, Like my family has Chalkdaw
46:24
Speaker 3: Indian descent, but it's likely because yeah, I mean, I
46:29
Speaker 3: don't notice, but Native people did own slaves. So not
46:35
Speaker 3: like we're gonna like, yeah people, all people are perfect,
46:38
Speaker 3: nobody needs to be violated because they're human.
46:41
Speaker 2: But y'all did have some slaves.
46:43
Speaker 3: Cham So it's not based on physical appearance obviously. It's
46:49
Speaker 3: not based on genetic testing, although you can do that
46:52
Speaker 3: kind of testing and it might be useful in some cases.
46:56
Speaker 3: Senator Elizabeth Warren, Oh Girl, famously tried to use DNA results,
47:05
Speaker 3: which showed some evidence of Native American in her ancestry,
47:08
Speaker 3: probably six to ten generations ago, to rebut Trump's fake
47:14
Speaker 3: Pocahontas nickname. Warren is not a member of any tribe,
47:18
Speaker 3: and DNA tests are not typically used as evidence to
47:22
Speaker 3: determine tribal citizenship, so she ended up apologizing for the
47:25
Speaker 3: DNA thing at a forum on Native American issues, saying
47:29
Speaker 3: she was sorry for the harm that she caused.
47:34
Speaker 4: Again, this is interesting because I didn't know that the
47:36
Speaker 4: DNA of it all doesn't really matter.
47:39
Speaker 3: Right, we like you like, we don't, we don't, And
47:43
Speaker 3: it's not based on the experiences of your upbringing obviously,
47:47
Speaker 3: because many children were forcibly removed from their native communities
47:51
Speaker 3: by white people and later accepted back into their tribes
47:54
Speaker 3: when they wanted to return.
47:56
Speaker 2: You know, that's like the schools and stuff that they did.
47:59
Speaker 2: In any case, Elizabeth Hoover was not authentically native and
48:03
Speaker 2: joins the list of history's pretendians, including that's a great name.
48:09
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, pretendius pretendians. That's yeah, that's a banger. I
48:13
Speaker 2: like that actor. I'm a pretendian.
48:16
Speaker 4: No, I mean, I think, I just I like that
48:18
Speaker 4: there is I mean, I don't like it, but it
48:20
Speaker 4: is sad that there are so many that they have.
48:23
Speaker 2: A word for it. But the word is very clever.
48:26
Speaker 2: I like a Portman too. Whoever came up with that.
48:30
Speaker 3: Okay, also loved that her name is Elizabeth Hoover because
48:35
Speaker 3: now you get to go in the Hall of Famezzi.
48:39
Speaker 3: Oh yes, scammer Lizzie's that's true. Okay, we got that
48:43
Speaker 3: one from Gray's Anatomy.
48:46
Speaker 4: Oh I didn't know her name was Elizabeth ju And
48:49
Speaker 4: then I think of the girl with the with the
48:50
Speaker 4: turtle nuts.
48:51
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, you're talking about my clean well Elizabeth Holmes. Yes,
48:57
Speaker 2: lizz Depers voice.
49:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lizzie Holmes. And now we have Elizabeth Hoover and
49:04
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna go in and throw you
49:06
Speaker 3: in there. Elizabeth Warren. Yeah, we have a great hall
49:10
Speaker 3: of Elizabeth scammers. We went honer them on the page
49:14
Speaker 3: because it's giving. Don't name your baby Elizabeth unless you
49:17
Speaker 3: want them to. You don't want to crime. Okay, that's
49:19
Speaker 3: a crime name. It's like name your baby Matts like
49:23
Speaker 3: they're gonna do crime.
49:24
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
49:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the pretendians include Ironized Cody aka the single
49:33
Speaker 3: tear crime Indian that's the way. Yes, yes, I didn't
49:37
Speaker 3: know what his name was, who was sad about litter
49:39
Speaker 3: in the nineteen seventies, but was actually an Italian American
49:44
Speaker 3: and his real name was Espera Oscar de COURTI.
49:48
Speaker 2: This is oh my gosh, yeah, damn damn okay.
49:55
Speaker 4: See and see he has a little tam he has
49:57
Speaker 4: like almost like a red because he's Italian, right, But
50:02
Speaker 4: like that's really fucked up.
50:03
Speaker 2: That's really fucked up. And how they braid of his
50:06
Speaker 2: hair and they're like just put some put a little
50:09
Speaker 2: string in it.
50:10
Speaker 3: That's really gonna sell it. Pollution is a crying shamee. Now,
50:15
Speaker 3: the message is yeah good, This message is great.
50:17
Speaker 2: The message is great. You are just not the one
50:20
Speaker 2: to do it.
50:22
Speaker 4: We absolutely could have done this without the racist caricature.
50:27
Speaker 2: He's like, but how would I get my sag after
50:29
Speaker 2: a car right? Trying to get that sweet sweet insurance?
50:35
Speaker 3: I need to check too. Oh so the next pretending
50:41
Speaker 3: is Sashine little feather. They attended the nineteen seventy three
50:47
Speaker 3: Academy Awards on Marlon Brando's behalf and declined his Best
50:52
Speaker 3: Actor Oscar in protest of Hollywood's depiction.
50:55
Speaker 2: Of Native Americans.
50:56
Speaker 3: Now, girl, she said, it's wrong when y'all do it,
51:00
Speaker 3: it's okay when I do it. I never knew about
51:03
Speaker 3: this one. I knew she was a real Native woman.
51:06
Speaker 3: I did thought she was staying on business.
51:08
Speaker 2: She said, rules for thee, but not for me. Wow,
51:12
Speaker 2: that is fucked up.
51:14
Speaker 4: Oh and look at her in all her native trip
51:17
Speaker 4: oh damn, and all of her like hoity toitiness, like
51:21
Speaker 4: y'all are doing a bad thing.
51:23
Speaker 2: Making a statement.
51:24
Speaker 3: After her death, her family revealed that her name was
51:28
Speaker 3: Maria Louise Cruz and that she was Spanish Mexican and
51:33
Speaker 3: not Native air And you know what her family is
51:36
Speaker 3: fucked up to. They said, you know what everybody, But
51:39
Speaker 3: they also said, let's wait till she dies, let's spill
51:41
Speaker 3: her tea after she's gone. At this point, we could
51:45
Speaker 3: have just all believed it. I don't think we have
51:47
Speaker 3: to go back and tell her business.
51:48
Speaker 2: She did. But I'm of the mind like, why did
51:50
Speaker 2: you wait until she was dead? She must have not
51:53
Speaker 2: been very kind to her family, and then she should
51:55
Speaker 2: have done it before she died. You know, it doesn't
51:58
Speaker 2: really sting if she's not here.
51:59
Speaker 3: You but maybe she was a narcissist with a huge
52:02
Speaker 3: personality and they didn't want to They didn't want to
52:04
Speaker 3: get in the way. I mean, she made it to
52:07
Speaker 3: the Oscars. You had white people while being white, that
52:12
Speaker 3: is fucked up.
52:13
Speaker 2: No, well she's Mexican, you know, she's a little brown, Like.
52:18
Speaker 4: Well, this isn't black and white. She might be indigenous, Yeah,
52:22
Speaker 4: she could be, but she she knew she was in Belashane.
52:26
Speaker 3: Maybe she Okay, look, there are a lot of Mexican
52:29
Speaker 3: indigenous people, like I'm on the edge of being here's
52:33
Speaker 3: pretty much native. But here's where she fucked up. She
52:36
Speaker 3: pulled this cartoony ass name out of the hat when
52:40
Speaker 3: her name.
52:40
Speaker 2: Was Maria little feather is crazy. Yeah, how do you
52:44
Speaker 2: solve a problem like Maria? You change your fucking name
52:47
Speaker 2: to so she and the little feather, that's messed up.
52:51
Speaker 2: That's messed up. Yo. It is a wild name to
52:56
Speaker 2: give yourself. Oh and she was wearing the outfits too.
53:01
Speaker 2: I'm Lacey Buffalo. What are we doing? What are we doing?
53:05
Speaker 3: That's a caricature of Native people? And you you got
53:08
Speaker 3: away with it. I guess outfits are really a part
53:11
Speaker 3: of it.
53:11
Speaker 4: You gotta Yeah, it's one of those things where I
53:14
Speaker 4: it seems like they are benefiting from the fact that
53:19
Speaker 4: if you are dressed in a certain way, the average
53:22
Speaker 4: person is probably not going to question it. Right, you
53:25
Speaker 4: have dark hair, you have all of these skinned you're
53:28
Speaker 4: wearing something that has you know.
53:30
Speaker 2: And that's a batty. Oh she's gorgeous. She's studying. Why
53:35
Speaker 2: would we not believe a batty in turquoise? And some
53:38
Speaker 2: drip came this little feather telling the truth. It was
53:43
Speaker 2: a little lie, little feather. So where's she now? And
53:48
Speaker 2: we're talking about Elizabeth? Okay?
53:50
Speaker 3: After the bomb show, I'm white announcement. Some of Elizabeth's
53:55
Speaker 3: former students wrote a letter demanding her resignation. The letter
53:58
Speaker 3: was signed by hundreds of students and scholars from UC
54:01
Speaker 3: Berkeley and other universities, along with members of Native American communities.
54:05
Speaker 3: It also called for her to apologize, stop identifying as indigenous,
54:09
Speaker 3: and acknowledge she had caused harm. So she did publish
54:14
Speaker 3: that long apology, it was because she was bullied to
54:16
Speaker 3: do so. But she still has that teaching job at Berkeley.
54:20
Speaker 3: She says, I still did all that work. I did
54:24
Speaker 3: the research, I did all the learning, I did the teaching,
54:29
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to have all of that just
54:31
Speaker 3: canceled and thrown away because people are upset about things.
54:35
Speaker 4: You shouldn't have said it. Don't say any of that, girl,
54:39
Speaker 4: that's for the group chat. She didn't need to tell
54:42
Speaker 4: us that.
54:43
Speaker 3: Teaching jobs in higher education are actually a hot spot
54:46
Speaker 3: for people pretending to be a different race. You know,
54:49
Speaker 3: transracial people and teaching positions are not only pretending to
54:52
Speaker 3: be something they're not, but acting like an authority on
54:55
Speaker 3: the matter. And you know that's what we kick into
54:57
Speaker 3: Rachel Dozoon because she did come into a black space
55:00
Speaker 3: and then was like no, and I also need to.
55:01
Speaker 2: Be the president of the Negros. Yeah, and she changed
55:05
Speaker 2: her name too. Oh god, I don't know.
55:07
Speaker 4: And Ketchee yeah something I don't know. I don't I
55:10
Speaker 4: don't remember what it was, but it was a very.
55:13
Speaker 2: It's something like that. It's like and Ketchy, I'm very
55:15
Speaker 2: black Africa. Yeah, not not cute. And Ketchi Zimbabwe.
55:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
55:24
Speaker 2: You know, scammers love like putting on the culture as
55:27
Speaker 2: a costume.
55:28
Speaker 3: I guess they all did it. Apparently this is in
55:31
Speaker 3: the handbook because like, no, you have to do this. Yeah,
55:34
Speaker 3: obviously read Rachel dozof Listen. It's hard to get a
55:37
Speaker 3: job out here. But everybody that decides that they're gonna
55:42
Speaker 3: be a pretending or uh, you know, the economy is hard.
55:47
Speaker 3: It were like, we gotta start being black now to
55:50
Speaker 3: get a job, that's what.
55:52
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
55:53
Speaker 3: So hard for us to getting ployed. And they were like, yeah,
55:56
Speaker 3: we gotta start being black. Yeah.
55:58
Speaker 2: So it's like the pretending and the new Negroes.
56:02
Speaker 3: So yeah, so we know that Rachel was the head
56:06
Speaker 3: of Spokane, Washington's chapter of the NAACP and also a
56:10
Speaker 3: professor of African studies at Eastern Washington University before her parents.
56:15
Speaker 3: Her parents outed her as white in twenty fifteen and
56:19
Speaker 3: outed her as white as crazy.
56:23
Speaker 2: Y'all, I've never I've never come out, but I think
56:27
Speaker 2: it's time. Oh well, I think it's time for me
56:30
Speaker 2: to come out.
56:31
Speaker 3: Any confusion about I think it's how you are to
56:34
Speaker 3: come out as black. I was keeping this as a secret.
56:39
Speaker 3: There's a lot of shame. I wanted to wait for
56:41
Speaker 3: my grandparents to pass away.
56:43
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, I always knew. I always knew.
56:51
Speaker 2: I still I'm still not comfortable sharing it with everybody.
56:54
Speaker 2: So y'all know the secret. You're just telling all of
56:56
Speaker 2: your listeners that that'll keep the secret.
56:59
Speaker 3: Say, but yes, I've been black this whole time, and
57:04
Speaker 3: I'm really and I'm sorry for the harm I caused for.
57:07
Speaker 2: All the people you deceive. Yeah, because I know they
57:10
Speaker 2: were tricked. They didn't know, oh Rachel, so we know.
57:17
Speaker 3: In February of twenty twenty four, Rachel was fired from
57:20
Speaker 3: another teaching position in Tucson, Arizona, after administrators found her
57:25
Speaker 3: OnlyFans account. I don't like slutshaming, so I don't agree
57:30
Speaker 3: with that one.
57:31
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, she was going by in catchy Diallo.
57:35
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how she changed her name from Rachel Dolza.
57:38
Speaker 3: It's funny to me that her parents added her as
57:41
Speaker 3: white during.
57:43
Speaker 2: Her life.
57:44
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think that they had like lost touch
57:47
Speaker 4: with her because she had a documentary on Netflix.
57:49
Speaker 2: I saw it.
57:50
Speaker 3: She was taking them braids out all wrong. Why you
57:54
Speaker 3: cutting whole micro braid's audio.
57:56
Speaker 2: Head because she's not she's not bright.
57:58
Speaker 4: She don't know she's doing. But I guess her parents
58:01
Speaker 4: had lost touch with her. And when they when they
58:04
Speaker 4: heard about her working with the NAACP is when they
58:07
Speaker 4: came for her. Oh okay, she said, I got a
58:11
Speaker 4: blue check on Instagram. She says, I'm not black, but
58:14
Speaker 4: I am blue.
58:15
Speaker 2: Amen. Okay listen. And she has black children.
58:22
Speaker 3: I feel bad for her little black children because I
58:24
Speaker 3: know that must have been embarrassing for them.
58:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's rough. It's hard. It's hard enough out here,
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Speaker 2: it really is. And then your white mama telling everybody.
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Speaker 2: She I mean, that's white mom behavior for sure, it
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Speaker 2: really is.
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Speaker 3: You can always tell when somebody got a white Mamaeah,
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Speaker 3: I know it's in something. I'm sorry if it's in
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Speaker 3: something to y'all, but I'm currently dating someone mixed race.
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Speaker 3: And one of the first things I asked them, well,
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Speaker 3: like your mom's the white one, and they were like, bitch.
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Speaker 2: I was like, am I wrong? You're like, no, you're
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Speaker 2: not wrong, But why would you say that? Oh? Man?
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Speaker 2: So that brings us to the end of a beautiful
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Speaker 2: Native story that was not Native at all because everybody
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Speaker 2: was white.
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Speaker 3: Oh. We always ask on this podcast, friend, where would
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Speaker 3: you like to be found? Anything you want to plug share?
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Speaker 2: I have nothing to plug.
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Speaker 4: I've been taking an extended break from social media, but
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Speaker 4: Francesca underscorely. Uh YEAHOK, hopefully, hopefully I'll be back sooner
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Speaker 4: rather than later. I'm trying to get these deadlines, trying
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Speaker 4: to keep these lights on. So I said, let me
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Speaker 4: take a break. But yeah, I'm glad that I get
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Speaker 4: to spend some time with you.
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Speaker 2: Though, yes, I'm glad too. As always, if you want
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Speaker 2: to see the photos of all of these.
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