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LIVE from The NFL Combine, Seahawks GM John Schneider stops by, Los Angeles Chargers voice Matt "Money" Smith joins · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume What is going on everybody? John Middlecough three
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  Speaker 1: and our podcast how are we doing? Probably better than me,
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  Speaker 1: because this morning I woke up and I was gonna
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  Speaker 1: check into my flight for Thursday morning, and there was nothing.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't told you one this this morning. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of embarrassing. And I looked and like, that's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 1: So I hit up customer service and they're like, your
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  Speaker 1: flight was Wednesday morning, So I clearly scheduled the wrong day. Luckily,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I got travel credit and I booked tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: So that was a nightmare start to the day. Well,
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  Speaker 1: got a little foggy after a late night, but we
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  Speaker 1: are here still at the combine. Your boy has to
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  Speaker 1: take it to get back to Arizona, where we'll just
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  Speaker 1: keep podcasting. But today we will have John Schneider. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard of him. He just won
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl on the show Matt Money Smith, who
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  Speaker 1: is the Chargers play by play guy and hosts a
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  Speaker 1: big radio show, Petros and Money in Los Angeles. I
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  Speaker 1: met him through Daniel Jeremiah last year when they were
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  Speaker 1: playing the Cardinals. They came to Arizona. We played some golf,
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  Speaker 1: and hung out. I love a guy. I mean I
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  Speaker 1: followed him from Afar, but meeting him, he's just a
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  Speaker 1: great guy. He knows La, the Chargers, the Dodgers. They
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  Speaker 1: do a bunch of radio shows from Chavez Ravine. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's what it's so called. But he'll join us.
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  Speaker 1: So we got a couple interviews and that will be
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  Speaker 1: the show today. I also talked to Greg co Cell.
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  Speaker 1: Will probably put that on Friday's podcast, and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: just get back to the home base and start getting
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  Speaker 1: back to life as normal as the combine we'll officially start.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say on the grass, but I
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  Speaker 1: guess they play on turf here in Indie. You guys
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  Speaker 1: if you're looking for the video, you can check it
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  Speaker 1: out on a little thing called Netflix. But uh, other
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  Speaker 1: than that, was dive into John Schneider. Okay, last time
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  Speaker 1: I saw this man, he was on Zoom and it
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  Speaker 1: was the spring. And now I'm sitting with him and
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  Speaker 1: he's a super Bowl champ and that's in person, Indy
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl Champion, John Schneider.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing awesome? Good to see it. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was that was a fun conversation. Man, that was like,
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  Speaker 2: that was a good day.
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  Speaker 1: We've gone pretty good since then. Yeah, how's the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks been.
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  Speaker 2: It's been nuts.
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  Speaker 3: It's really you know, like the the finality of it's
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  Speaker 3: really kind of overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're like, wait, that just happened.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we just we followed a plan, the guys
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  Speaker 3: brought into it, they fought into the coaching staff, and
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  Speaker 3: that that literally just happened, you know. And so there's
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  Speaker 3: like when your season ends, you know, you're always it's
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  Speaker 3: always like you make the playoffs or not. You're always
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  Speaker 3: like like you're just kind of it's kind of a
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of a bummer feeling, like yeah, no more football,
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you're just yeah. And you know, it's different
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  Speaker 3: for guys like like like you and I were like,
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  Speaker 3: you're constantly planning and you're in you're in dry mode,
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  Speaker 3: you're in free agency mode. But yeah, just you know,
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  Speaker 3: like all of a sudden, now we're here, we're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know, trying to get a lay of the land
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  Speaker 3: for the spring, see what free agency is gonna look like,
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  Speaker 3: and we're just moving into that right away. But you
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  Speaker 3: do forget how late it is, you know, but our
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  Speaker 3: staf's done a great job that we had really good
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  Speaker 3: free agency meetings during the season, and then I just
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  Speaker 3: got to get caught up draft wise.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've talked to Howie and Veitch about this,
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  Speaker 1: and you've dealt with this before. Do you feel behind
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  Speaker 1: right now or are you able to keep up?
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  Speaker 3: Not with not with free agency, with with the draft
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  Speaker 3: a little bit because we were we were you know,
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  Speaker 3: the day after the parade, we were hungover actually not
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  Speaker 3: too not too bad, you know, cours or bud lights,
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  Speaker 3: sorry bud lights.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you can't see.
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  Speaker 3: That, Parker, Yeah, yeah, So but uh no, we were
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  Speaker 3: in you know, we were in the off offensive we
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  Speaker 3: were in draft meetings, but I was in and out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because we were interviewing offensive coordinators and so
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  Speaker 3: we of that going on. And then obviously we had
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  Speaker 3: the ownership statement, so there was there was just a lot.
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  Speaker 3: There was just a lot going on right away. So
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  Speaker 3: I was in and out of those meetings a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So it's but it's it's really just John. It's like
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  Speaker 3: the it's like that personal time, you know, like your
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  Speaker 3: study of time, you know you've done it does it.
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  Speaker 1: Feel easier to handle all this coordinator leaving a sale
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl. You've been in the league a long time? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: is this easy for you to handle than it would
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  Speaker 1: have been fifteen years ago? Less stress at least? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel the same amount.
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  Speaker 3: Of No, definitely, you know you're over time your experiences.
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  Speaker 2: You know you bank them.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Mike would say you stack them, right, like
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  Speaker 3: stack all your experiences.
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  Speaker 2: And I journal a lot too, So that kind of
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  Speaker 2: helps me, Like all right, like.
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  Speaker 1: How long you been doing that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh uh shoot, two thousand and eight.
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  Speaker 1: I've always heard that work. Something like that works or helps.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just helps me kind of like all right,
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  Speaker 3: it's like a therapeutic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the same Donald thing. Did you watch hockey
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days ago?
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  Speaker 2: No, it was on, It was on, Yeah, I woke
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  Speaker 2: up it was over. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well that hockey game was like just a true, pure
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  Speaker 1: like sports story. You know these guys they'd beat Canada. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like Sam Donald, we just don't get these
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  Speaker 1: as much anymore, just like a pure, genuine the guy's
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  Speaker 1: career resurrects it super Bowl champion, Like it's just you're
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  Speaker 1: around him every day as a player and sign him,
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  Speaker 1: but like as a human being, I was telling someone
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  Speaker 1: that I had never ever heard of anyone say a
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  Speaker 1: negative thing about Sam Donald his entire career through the
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  Speaker 1: and that's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not easy to do, especially in our industry, right,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, and then and then, uh, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: like just watching and then it ends up being true. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like I uh, you know, people were asking me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, throughout like the playoffs and super Bowl week
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  Speaker 3: and all that, like, well, when did you know that
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  Speaker 3: you guys are gonna be a really good football team?
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  Speaker 3: And I and I honestly it was in training camp
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  Speaker 3: watching Sam interact with the offensive staff and his teammates
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  Speaker 3: and like it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was seamless, and it was ever. He was everything
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  Speaker 3: that everybody had talked about. Just hard working, low ego, tough,
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  Speaker 3: competitive like Tony like you know, strong south efficacy, but
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  Speaker 3: not like not in your face, you know, like it.
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  Speaker 2: Was it was. It was. It was awesome to witness.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think going through some time. I was telling
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  Speaker 1: someone the other day like by the time, like Andy
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  Speaker 1: Reid got Alex Smith kind of unfazed by everything, had
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  Speaker 1: just seen a lot of crap in his career, and
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  Speaker 1: you just kind of developed some like thick skin where
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  Speaker 1: some guys you get you've had some of these type
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  Speaker 1: players you draft them, and they were just superstars immediately,
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  Speaker 1: So if it starts going the other way, they're not
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  Speaker 1: ready to handle it. Where when you just kind of
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  Speaker 1: get in the mud from day one as a player,
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  Speaker 1: especially when you're drafted high, you realize, like this shit
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  Speaker 1: is hard, you know, and if you're a high character
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  Speaker 1: guy and you make it out, it's honestly becomes a
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  Speaker 1: little easier to handle everything, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, this is not like about myself, but
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  Speaker 3: it's an analogy. Like the way I started out in
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  Speaker 3: the industry was like Rob Wolf, Ted Thompson where my
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  Speaker 3: you know, my bosses they love to go scouting, so
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  Speaker 3: they would leave like Tuesday morning. So I'm in I'm
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  Speaker 3: like twenty one years old in the office with Mike
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  Speaker 3: Holngrin and Andy Reid and John rud and Dick Jeron
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  Speaker 3: and Railroads and like.
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  Speaker 2: Like this hole. Like yeah, and so also I was
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  Speaker 2: just like thrown into it. And then when then.
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  Speaker 3: When I went to Kansas City, the pro director there,
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  Speaker 3: it was just it was just much easier to your point,
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  Speaker 3: like yeah, you're you're when you're thrown into something like that,
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  Speaker 3: it was very it was overwhelming at the time, but
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  Speaker 3: then you just kind of like keep working and all
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  Speaker 3: of sudden you're like, wait, that was that was that
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  Speaker 3: was rough, but it's really helped me in the future.
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  Speaker 1: So his job easy now, no, no, good one. I
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  Speaker 1: know you've had a long day, so I'll get you
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  Speaker 1: out of here. You just you just hired you know
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  Speaker 1: the Mike did you part of it? The new offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator from the forty nine ers? You lose Kubiak? How
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  Speaker 1: important was it to hire someone offense for Sam? Like
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  Speaker 1: what goes into that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Brian and coach Sam in San Francisco, and then
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  Speaker 3: it was really just like with for Mike, it was
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  Speaker 3: like keeping keeping like the collective to out of the
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  Speaker 3: whole group and many of the as many of the
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  Speaker 3: coaches as we possibly could. So, you know, losing client,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's hard that that late in the year.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so same system, you know, similar, very similar
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  Speaker 3: system background with the quarterback and then just the different
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  Speaker 3: skill sets with the other guys that that are on
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  Speaker 3: our staff.
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  Speaker 2: That was, that was, that was what was the most
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  Speaker 2: important for Mike.
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  Speaker 1: How many coaches on your watch. I know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Pete played a big role have become head coaches. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like a pretty high number. Bunch of the defensive guys.
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  Speaker 2: Bunch of the defensive guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, first offensive guy.
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  Speaker 3: This is the first offensive guy, goes well Gus d Q.
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  Speaker 1: Saw in directly solid Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Robert Yeah yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Canallis Schottenheimer was your offensive cord for Maudi.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Dave Canallis, Yeah, there's been Yeah, it's pretty It's
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  Speaker 3: been a good group of guys.
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  Speaker 2: Us.
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  Speaker 1: So this week for you changed a lot over the
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  Speaker 1: course of your career. Still, I know the rhythm and
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  Speaker 1: the timing.
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  Speaker 2: This day is like much.
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  Speaker 1: This is the NFL now, John, this is bigger than it.
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  Speaker 2: Used to be.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like wow, Like I mean, we've been cruising
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  Speaker 3: around here. So we had league meetings this morning and
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  Speaker 3: then I'll have more league meetings tomorrow. But yeah, me
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  Speaker 3: and the medical getting all that stuff's gonna be super important.
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  Speaker 3: But like I said, our staffs like our stass kicking.
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  Speaker 3: But we've got a great group of guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you know any of our guys, No,
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  Speaker 1: I used to know more of the guys probably like
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  Speaker 1: five six years ago, the interviews with the perspective future
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks or future NFL players, or meeting with the agents
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  Speaker 1: for free agent guys in the league. What is more
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  Speaker 1: your priority this week?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Here agents, I get caught up on the raft stuff
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  Speaker 3: on the you know, like being able to study the interviews,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's the can interview they do here or in
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  Speaker 3: the room you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, over over the dome, the zoom ones that the
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  Speaker 2: coaches do.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably that's probably increased a lot since you scouted
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  Speaker 3: the zoom interviews. Yeah, my COVID really yeah, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 3: here for a couple of days, but the COVID really,
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  Speaker 3: like that was like eye opening, Like who you can really?
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  Speaker 3: I mean you're on zoom with somebody for an hour
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  Speaker 3: at different moments right at like different All Star game
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  Speaker 3: or in his family room or at his dorm room.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you can really?
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  Speaker 1: I did a podcast interview with you from your office
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  Speaker 1: for forty five minutes. I mean that wasn't impossible. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: five six years ago kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I think we've we've really we've really well, me
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  Speaker 3: me personally, I've learned a lot from it. Our guys
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  Speaker 3: do a great job. I learned a lot from those interviews,
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  Speaker 3: and our guys do a great job of like asking
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  Speaker 3: the pertinent questions, not like yeah, you know it's your
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  Speaker 3: favorite color.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I just as a football fan, it was
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyable to watch you guys come together and play,
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  Speaker 1: and that was you know, there's something just like something
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  Speaker 1: about a team that no one really saw coming, even
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  Speaker 1: though you'd won ten games here before. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like you were like a, yeah, we were
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  Speaker 1: in the radar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was crazy to put some cash down
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  Speaker 1: and I did five to one with the division. Well
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  Speaker 1: I did because it was like the Rams last year
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  Speaker 1: at won ten. It wasn't that big of a difference.
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  Speaker 1: And then watching you guys get hot, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: that super Bowl that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that was that was a blast.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. So congratulations, I appreciate you.
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  Speaker 4: You enjoyed the week.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me man.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's dive into Matt money Smith. Okay, very excited. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll dive into. He had a pretty legendary rant
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  Speaker 1: you and Daniel Jeremiah who you are the play by
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  Speaker 1: tenth year met wild and you came over from the Lakers.
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  Speaker 1: I did national NFL and NCAA football calls, and then
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  Speaker 1: when the Chargers moved to LA in seventeen, they hired me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated by guys like you who do the
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  Speaker 1: play by play guy who's a play by play guy
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  Speaker 1: to kind of flip back and forth?
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• 15:01
  Speaker 7: like having a local.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Show, you know.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: The thing. You know, I grew up loving radio. I
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: remember the first time being in like Junior High and
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Jim Rome and this is late ninety nothing like that existed. Yeah,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: and I got worked in football a little for a
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: little bit, but I radio is something I think it
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: was easy transition because I was a listener in my
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: whole life, right Dad, You know up in northern California
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: can be.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Are Yeah, yeah, he's sports leader.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I never got in his truck, you know, he was
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: a farmer driver without that being on or anyone all
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: the people he worked with, that was just it was
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: a staple. But radio in Northern California not quite the same. Yeah,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: you guys are still having a lot of success. How's
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: that possible? Especially in a market like the West Coast
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: can be a little like, you know, people just get distracted.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: It's just easier to get distracted the car, right, we
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: connect to our phones. How have you guys kind of
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: maintained success, because clearly you have.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I think you you you described it perfectly.
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: You develop relationships. I'm old now, man, you can see
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: it on my face. It's leathered, and you're good. So
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: I now meet people who are in their thirties that
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: tell me they were, you know, in middle school when
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: their dad picked them up at school and they would
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: listen to Petros and Money on their way home and
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: it was a connection that they had with their dad.
• 16:19
  Speaker 7: And like, I've now met people that have ten year
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: old sons that were the Suns that now listen, Oh, yeah,
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: this is something my son and I have together.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: So I think that's how you survive.
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: It is this is our twentieth year or the longest
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: running show that's still intact, John and Ken, which is
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: on KFI. It's a conservative talk Ken has retired, so
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: there's just John now. But that's it. It's so far
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: and away in the longest running sports show in LA
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: that stayed in the afternoon drive slot. And I think
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: that's it is you just you know, I think it's
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: like you with your audience, right, You're you engage with
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: your people that are commenting, that are and they feel
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: like you're with them, like, oh yeah, I'm there in
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: the car with me, you know there. And because LA's
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: a car culture, I think that helps a lot. Even
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: with the phone, you can still and the other thing
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: not to make this is probably pretty boring for everybody,
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: but like we got into podcasting early. We told iHeart
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: before there was an iHeartRadio, Hey, we need to where
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: can we post this? How can we get this on
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: Apple Music? How can we get this on iTunes? To
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: be able to podcast, because we're gonna lose audience if
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: we don't. So we've been podcasting for a long time.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I've been in business with iHeart, you know, with Colin
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and everything, and they are you know for probably traditional
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago. More radio based have transitioned pretty well
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to the digital, like pretty you know, some of these
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: quote unquote legacy companies struggle making the pivot. They pivoted
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: pretty well, which it sure helps being involved with them.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean perfectly. So I came up in music originally.
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: I was in music the first, you know, while also
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: doing a little bit of sports. Not to bore people,
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: but I work for kay Rock. Arguably, I was a
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: music director at kay Rock. I was on the morning
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: show at k Rock, arguably the biggest station in America
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: at the time, and they did not have the vision
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: a rock that was.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: So it was Kroq.
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: So it's alt rock, so basically breaking bands like depeche Mode,
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: The Cure, Nirvana, Sublime, you know that sort of stuff.
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: They sed it Red Hot Chili Peppers. All that stuff
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: was was k rock and they didn't have that vision.
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: And now when you look at if you want to
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: stream k rock live streaming from the iHeartRadio app, even
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: though they're competitive companies, even though they're Audyssey and and
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: it's iHeart here, it's still which is why you and
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Colin are in a great spot and so many people
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: can access your content.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Iheart's just like whatever, man, come on over here.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: We'll we'll run your stream and we'll make money off it,
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: and we'll throw some commercials in there and we'll be good.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: When I first got into radio after football, in like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, fourteen, I was on the smaller station in
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the Bay Area ninety seven going up against K and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: b R.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Time, the Giants had won two World Series and then
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: in fourteen they won another one, and I remember we'd
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: get the ratings books and we were doing pretty well.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: When that team started taking They were doing like twenty
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: shares in a market that's I mean, San Francisco is
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: not quite a LA, but it's one of the biggest
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: markets in America in kmbr's reach. You guys have the Dodgers,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: who are now you know, I was a little young
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: for like the magic Johnson pat Riley who just took
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the country by storm. Does feel you know, and baseball
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: is not quite the same of what it was, but
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: that team feels like they've broken through and almost feels
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: like an NFL TA. You couldn't find a casual sports fan.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't have an opinion right now on the Los
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Angeles which is great for business, it is, and you're
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: in the business with that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: You go to games I do.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: You were talking to you on the golf course about
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: how dialed in these guys are from a character standpoint,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: like they're they're an impressive operation. It has a lot
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of money.
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the one of the we go to games because
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: we broadcast from the games, we'll do our radio show
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: because you know, we go into Dodger Baseball, so pregames
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: at six, we're on three to seven. We get that
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: last hour preempted, so we'll just do the show from
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: the stadium wireless.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: My on the field. We know all the players. That's
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: pretty cool. It's really cool. It's not pretty cool.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: It's really cool because they're good guys and sort of
• 20:07
  Speaker 7: one of the more viral social media conversations we had.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: We were talking to Andrew Friedman and we brought up
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: I think the way we phrased the question was, you
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: know people saying that you just spend all this money,
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: feel like it's short changes, you know, scouting the work
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: the players put it. And he just lit up and
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: he's like it was like and it wasn't something that
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: I pre planned or anything. He was just almost like
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: a oh, thank you for asking me that he said,
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: and he did not hold back.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: I think it was during a Padre series, so you
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: got a little bit of a salty vibe already going there.
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: And he said, look, right behind me right now. What
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: do you see? He's like, there's Freddy Freeman digging out,
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: you know, with Dino Ebel, just working on digs. He's like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: where did you see Mooki Betts out here? Mouky Bets
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: was out here two hours ago fielding grounders at shortstops.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: That's Mookie Bets and Freddie Freeman. That's every one of
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: our players. Look on that sideline. Look over there on
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: that baseline.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: What do you see? Nobody's there. He's like, these guys
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: bust their ass.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: He goes, you you run the They're only winning because
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: they're getting paid, and they're paying all this money. He said,
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: it's insulting to these guys because of how professional they
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: are and how hard they work. And that's what they've
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: done an incredible job of is they put together a
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: team and they didn't pay anyone until Mooki. They're like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: Muki's one of those guys man who's just so hyper
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: focused on being the greatest ever. And Freddy's the same way,
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: and Show has the same way, and Yamamoto with his javelins.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: And all of that.
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: They're like, yeah, we'll give you guys hundreds of millions
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: of dollars, but we won't give it to everyone.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: If you took Jim Harbaugh to a pre game and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you said you get to pick one guy to try
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to make a football player, would he pick Muki or
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: could he pick Otani?
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: He'd pick Otani?
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: He would Otani's huge, Like you don't realize it until
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: he walks out, you know. And you know, a lot
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: of times we're just kind of leaning on the railing
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: of the dugout and here's where the guys are walking
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: out right next to you, so you're level with them,
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: right and for the most like, you know, that's what's
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: cool about baseball is Mookie's a slightly larger than me,
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: and I'm not a big guy obviously, you know. Whereas
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: like I remember David Exstein for the Angels, smaller than me,
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: and yet here's an ALCS MVP.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Dustin Pedroia, who I grew up close to in Woodland, California,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was like five eight, right, won the MVP.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Right, one an MVP you can do that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden you see Aaron Judge
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: or like Showe al Tany emerge from the dugout and
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: you're like, oh my god, like look how broad he is.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Look at how thick his trunk is.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: Like then you see that and it's like, okay, yeah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: that's that's a football player.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I remember it was like Sunday night baseball his first
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: year for the Angels, and he hit like a ball
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: off the wall and I remember him rounding for because
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you just do this guy, this like all
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: time talent from Japan. But we've had that before and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: guys and he rounded first and it was like, holy shit,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: look at him run right, you know, because we've had
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: some big boppers from Japan, but this the athletic ability,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: like I mean, what would it forty time b probably
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: four or five.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: It's it'd be ridiculous right at that size.
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: And then just kind of thinking about, you know, the
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: arms threat, like the idea of dropping Shohey into a
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: quarterback clinic for you know, two years or something like
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: he's built like Herbert. You know, he's that big, he's
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: you know, you think about justin Herbert, who's probably you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: between he and I think maybe even more so just
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: from a muscular standpoint than Josh Allen. I think you'd
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: probably point to Herbert as hey, what's the best stature
• 23:31
  Speaker 7: best body QB in the NFL, and it's probably Justin
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: and like that's who he reminds me of.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the Chargers. Yeah, how long you've
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: been doing their games?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Ten years? This is my tenth year.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So you did it before they moved a lot.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: I did it the year they moved. It's crazy to
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: think they've been in LA. This will be their tenth
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: year since. Isn't that insane?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Ten years?
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Twenty seventeen, Yeah, twenty seventeen.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So you're doing the games at the it was the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Home Depot Center.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Home Depot Center. Well was that like coolest thing ever?
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: Like it sucked with the fans because it was such
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: a small, premium priced experience, so you're spending pretty much
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: three hundred bucks on every time. Many people were in there,
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: twenty four thousand. That's pretty cool. It was incredible. Like
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: we're calling the games. It's like a high school stadium. Yeah,
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: calling games at the top of the first section and
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: that's it. That's the top, and then on the opposite
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: side you actually have an upper deck.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: That was it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: I told so many people friends of mine that are
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: scattered around the country as like, do yourself a favor,
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: fly to La, go to one of these games. It'll
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: never happen again. Like it'll never happen again. You can hear,
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: like from our broadcast booth, you could hear Rivers yelling
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: at the refs. You could hear the opposite sideline at
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: times screaming at each other. Like it was so intimate.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: It was really really cool, but it was terrible for
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: the team.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Really quick.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: How cool was the Philip Rivers moment this year?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: The best?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: That moment on Monday Night football. I know they lost,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: but he was slinging it around. It's just I said
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: this about Sam Darnold the hockey team. We just don't
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: get that many genuine moments anymore. So it's listen to media.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I'm part of it, you're part of it. Some of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it's just like we talked too much about stuff that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: was just like pure and cool. This forty five year
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: old guy probably weigh two hundred and eighty pounds.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just come back.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Knew the offense because he's been calling it his passion
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and pride. Yeah, him getting hit, it's just like what
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a bad how cool would have been to Ben on
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: his high school team. They showed the video of all
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: those kids a lotching What a moment, right, you know,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: for his own families, some of these kids that were
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: younger don't remember.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: He's the best guy. He's the best guy.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: I know that he's got a bit of a polarizing personality,
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: especially if you're a rade I think you're a Bronco fan.
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: I think since he's retired, they recognize that there's only
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: one Philip Rivers man. You just you don't make him
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: like that, the guy that cared so much, that was
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: willing to get emotional about how much he cared. How
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: you talk to his teammates, like it'll be interesting if
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: he I think he seriously considered that Bill's job, and
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: I think they seriously considered him.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think that was a joke.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: I think he and Josh Allen really hit it off
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: and that was something that they were very serious about.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: And just because he's that kind of guy. And so
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: I think when he takes his job, it's gonna be
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: fun to see how many of his former teammates he
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: puts on his staff because of just the respect they had,
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: Like you know, we have Nick Hardwick as our assistant
• 26:11
  Speaker 7: oel coach, his former center, like I have no doubt
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: he'll be like, where do you want me?
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I'm there?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Were you there with? Was Kenny Wiggins on the team,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Remember that offensive lineman. He's a fresident steak guy. He
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: trying to think if he was he might have been
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like fifteen sixteen seventeen, mate. I think he was right
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: before us, might have been San Diego. But he when
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I was a jat Fresdel State, he was our tackle
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and I remember texting with him and he's like, I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: can't tell you how much I love Philip Rivers. Yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And it was just I've said forever what John Madden
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: had and even Gruden like you can't fake that, like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: people kind of try. It's like they're just unique personalities.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I think Rivers, I'm glad, Like, if you're gonna be
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: a head coach, that's cool because you're part of our lives.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I think he could be a John Madden. John Gruden
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: put him up. He would be a rock star.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Called money. I believe the money that Amazon threw at
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: him was ridiculous.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Oh they tried to get him.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, then it was ridiculous.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: And like the the accommodations that they were going to
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: make for him, ridiculous, and just to speak to the
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: kind of guy he is, He's like, eh, gosh, Darner,
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: and I'd be short changing my guys. You know, I
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: appreciate you getting me back from himself Friday, but I
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: don't want to short change my guys being going on
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: Wednesday afternoon to Thursday night and they're like, well, charge,
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: are you playing back right after the game Thursday. You'll
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: be home, you know, middle of the night on Thursday.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: You'll be good. Yeah, short change them kids, can't do it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: That's the kind of guy is man for like twenty
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: five million dollars a year.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: What's clear though, then is coming back and coach. And
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: he's gotten the juice to coach because you take a
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: head coaching, so that maybe he's not going to do
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the John Madden thing and he's more likely to do
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: the Andy Reid thing.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: I think so. I think so.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Say the next five years he's a head coach in
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised if he's a head NFL. Yeah,
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: I could see it. I wouldn't be surprised he's a
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: head coach. You know at NC State.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: His son just committed. I got on the ticker yeah,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I mean I could see that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: If you're NC state you want to have relevance, it's
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: it's a state with money. You know, you need people
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: to scratch out checks. You're going to write a check
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: to Philip Rivers.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: How sick would that be? Philip Rivers the coach and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: his son the quarterback.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Credible.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: They're like, we'll put Belichick on all these get no
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Philip Rivers.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: It would What was Kenny Dillingham's famous line, can somebody
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: stroke me a check?
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: For twenty minute? Philip Rivers will get someone to stroke
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: a twenty million dollars show.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: You know, people made funny Keny Dilley hams someone stroke
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: someone gave him a check that they got. He got money.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: He said on a interview the other day.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I love Kenny.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: People like a guy that wasn't even associate with Arizona State,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: but a rich guy in Scottsdale gave him a bunch
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: of money and they're building the thing.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: For that man.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I told my wife it worked.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just such a great line.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: You mean to tell me there's.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Someone just stroke at twenty million dollars? I don't know.
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: Maybe you're traveling in circles that I'm not. It does
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: seem like could be kind of hard. But Kenny's awesome.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, you talked about Herbert. You've seen all these games.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I've always supported him. He's an easy guy to root
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: for the playoffs games. I mean, this year he is
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: a broken hand the offensive line. It's hard, but he's
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: played three playoff games and hasn't gone well. I always
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: say people forget Peyton Manning. Like when I was young,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: in like high school and college, everyone said he was
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: better than Tom Brady. Yeah, but then the playoffs would
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: start and Peyton man would be a trophy.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people. I watched the Lway doc
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: he had.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I mean in the Super Bowl against the forty nine ers,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: granted they're like the greatest tyeam of all time, he
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: threw like one hundred yards. Yeah, it was like nine
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of forty. So it's like, guys have bad games. He's young.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I would take it. You and DJ and all these
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: guys around him think that. And Jim Harbaugh most importantly,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: like they ain't selling stock. No, No, he's well, why
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: has it happened? Well?
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: I think this year I think was different than last year.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Last year out on the Guiana chance. There's just there
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: was no chance. Will Anderson and Danielle Hunter and all
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: those guys were in his lap every time he took
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: a snap, like there was just even the tackles.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Slater and Alt were out there and even than they.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Were getting gassed.
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: Will Anderson's a problem, exactly. He was a huge So
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: for me, like that one was different.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: This year.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: I think that so much scar tissue had built up
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: over the year where there's just unblocked rushers, there's quick
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: pressures that by the time that playoff game came around,
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: it was just so like basically the success of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: offense was him operating out of structure.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: That was it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: You know, it wasn't really anything else, you know, him
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: against the Eagles was run around. Yeah, It's like I'm
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: just gonna pull it and run. It wasn't a play call.
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: He's just pulling it and running it because nothing else
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: is working, because he can't get blocks, he has no
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: time in the pocket, he's wearing it, he's getting hit
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: god knows how many times. So I think it just
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: caught up to him in New England and I don't
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: think and I like Greg Roman a lot. I know
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: this is what people do right when they're about to
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: say something bad. But Greg's a great guy. I just
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: thought the game plan was very curious. It's like, you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: you can gash these guys on the edges with a
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: run game, and yet they never ran it, Like they
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: just they got that turnover first and goal from the
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: ten and what is it? It's three runs by Justin Herbert.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: It's like, what run to the edges. You know you've
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: got this Trevor Penny is your six ozer lineman, Tucker
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Fisk is your tight end, Go beat him up. And
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: they just never did it. And so I think that
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: game got into his head and he missed some throws
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: and he wasn't good.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, had a bad game.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: No, but they weren't you know, defensively they were sensational.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: Offensively they weren't good. And I think that's what makes
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: this year so interesting.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: What's weird about Roman is like historically back to his
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: forty nine er days with Harvilleah, then with Harbaugh's brother
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: in Baltimore is a run game guy.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then this.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Year, you know, before the injuries really took, they were
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: passing all the time.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think he was trying to prove like I'm
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a pass guy or is it just like trying to rite.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: What I think.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: Unfortunately, it happens. It happens, and I think that's what
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: you know. I credit Harbaugh and the way that he
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: has coached his teams is he's always been so good
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: about it. He's like, I don't care. I'm gonna run
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: with a tight end who's got his hand on the ground.
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna run with a fullback. I'm gonna run power
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: God's play and guess what, You're not even gonna pass
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: them the second half, JJ McCarthy, We're gonna beat Penn
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: State by running the ball.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And I don't care.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: If that doesn't lead to celebration in Sports Center highlights.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: That's not what I'm here for. So I think it's
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: just very hard for OC's, especially in the era of
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and Mike McDaniel, all of
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: this eye candy, it's very hard for them to just
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: be a power team.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I think I think I saw a clip maybe Mike's
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's first or second day you were sitting down with him,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what you're thought of just the Mike experience, So far.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a really cool guy.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: He's a very thoughtful, interesting guy. You ask him a
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: question and it's not dismissive. It's very thoughtful about you know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: And I think that just kind of speaks to how
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: into football he is. I think he and Jim are
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: a lot more similar than people think. You know, they're
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: just different about it. Jim, it looked different. It looked different. Yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: you know, I think Jim loves I think coach Harbout
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: loves the physicality of football, the idea of you know, ultimately,
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: what is football. Football is preventing forward progress. That's what
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: it is. You know, this guy's trying to go here.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: You're trying to make sure he doesn't. And I think
• 32:50
  Speaker 7: Jim loves that, you know that, whereas I think Mike
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: McDaniel is. He gave a great answer. I think it
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: was in that interview. I don't remember if it was
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: the presser or if it was with us, but I'd
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: never heard someone say it before, and maybe you have
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: that it was so it crystallized it. He said, the
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: defense is trying to guess the answer to your question.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: As an offensive coordinator, I'm delivering a question and they're
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: trying to answer it, and I've got to devise the hardest.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Question for them to answer.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: And it's just such a great way to think about
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: prestap motion different formations, you know, using players like Darren
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: Waller was talking about putting a slot receiver in the backfield,
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: because now the question is more complex, it's not the same.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: And so I think when you have someone that's.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: Thought about football and thinks about football that way, like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: I need to make this as hard on them as possible,
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: and hardbos's the same way.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: I need to make this on as hard as them
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: as possible.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I think people when they look at Mike, you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he's this nerdy Ivy League guy. His football career really
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: took off, and he's even said this is he's with
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Kyle and that whole crew, and he realizes these guys,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: like I gotta find a niche with these guys. So
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: he got with Chris Forrester, who's Kyle's OH line coach,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and learned the run game and blocking. That's kind of
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: his bread. Yeah, Like if you talk to us Jack
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: or Kittle, they swear by the guy. So when you
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: say he's a lot like Jim Harbo, when Jim Harbaugh said,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: we took Joel because he's a tip of the spirit.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: People are like, he's a weapon. Yeah, You're like, well,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: no weapons are Malik neighbors Man. Harbaugh's like, no weapons
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: are my tackles and my guards are my centers. I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: think Mike thinks more like that than people. I think
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the Miami thing is like throwing people off the center.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah it I'm with you, man, I ultimately, And and
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: to that, Matt you know, to that, think about Sean McVay.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Sean McVay is a run guy. Like it's outside zone, man.
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: That is that is the foundation of the Rams offense.
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: It's Todd Gurley, It's this last year. It's Kyron Williams. Man,
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: it's and you you look at the way he's now
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: drafted offensive lineman.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: He's kind of even gone.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: From those smaller, more athletic guys like Mike McDaniel had
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: in Miami too. He's got freaking beef on that line
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: now and they're starting to run a little bit more power.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: So I do think that, And I mean, my.
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: Gosh, look at Kyle at San Francisco, right, Kyle run
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: it every play.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Kyle is like a skinnier younger version of Jim Right.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: You know, like that's what people I think forget because
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: the I candy is pretty cool and the explosives are
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: pretty cool, but when you boil it down, they're run guys.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Is that a Chargers deficiency right now? Some skill guys.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: So I mean biased, not selfishly, but as with my bias, no,
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: I really like the room. I think Lad's a legitimate
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: number one receiver. He could end up with Jalen Waddle
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: like seventeen hundred yard eight touchdown season.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't surprise me. He is.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: He's so good. He's so good in the open field.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: He always whips out of catches Jayson. Yeah, Like he'll
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: whip out of catches and gets you in extra ten
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: yards every single time. And he's become so proficient at
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: finding soft spots in zones now. You know, before it
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: was a lot of just man beater. He'll just be
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: you got no chance, man, He's gonna shake you, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: that's when he whips out and he's got those extra
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: ten yards. Now he's Last year we saw him start
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: to settle into his zones and kind of feel it
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: out a little bit more. So I think he could
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: have a sensational year and second year. Guy doesn't have
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: a lot of stats. Nobody would know him unless you
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: follow the Chargers. Trey Harris, he's going to be special
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: Ole misk It. Yeah, he's going to be special man.
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: He blocks his tail off. Man, he will block like
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: a mother effort, and the players love him. He's crazy smart,
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: like stupid smart when you talk to him. Former quarterback
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: was Elik Neighbor's quarterback in high school and probably he's
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: a high school team right quit to play basketball because
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: he thought he was getting recruited to play ball. Milik
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: Neighbors came to him and said, we can win the
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: state championship, but I need you. Can you come back
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: and essentially sold him on the idea of I need
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: you too, man, like I'm going to get recruited, I
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: don't play basketball. And so that's like selfless sort of
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: behavior too. And I think that speaks to why here's
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: a guy who was an ex at ole miss and
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: now he's just being asked to block his ass off
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: every time he's on the field. He's got like fifteen
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: targets through eight games, and yet he's crushing dudes in
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: the run game.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: I think it speaks to the type of player is.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: So I say all of that to get to I
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: think he's gonna have a big year because I think m
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: Daniel's gonna love him.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: One thing. By the time before Harbon Ortiz got there,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: it felt like the synergy with you know, Tom and
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Staley just was a little off. And then now I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: was just getting a breakfast sandwich this morning and behind
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Joe Ortiz, and it feels like Joe Ortiz and Jim Harbaugh,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you know the successful teams, you know, Veach Andy, Yeah, right,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle John Lynch McVeigh lest you gotta have
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: some synergy with those two guys. Yeah, And it does
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: feel like a pretty good relationship because Jim he's mellowed
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: out a lot. Yeah, you know, he's a different guy
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: now than he was fifteen years ago, probably ten years ago.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: He's actually kind of come into his own I feel like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: just very comfortable and the chip on his shoulder is
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: still there, but he doesn't show it as much. It
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: feels like they got a pretty good thing going those two,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: which is important and the only way you can have
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the same success even if you're as good of a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: coach as Jim he's at the end with Trent Balke.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: You around these guys, what's like your takeaway for a
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: couple of years being around that those two.
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the Yeah, I think the key with
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: GMS is and I thought Tom was really good at
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: this too, you know, with MOLT with different types of coaches.
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: You know, when I was there, Anthony Lynn was the
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: first coach and then it was Brandon Staley, and they
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: both were very different, and I thought Tom Tellesco worked
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: very close with them too. Not just how I'm gonna
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: pick the best guy and he's going to be a
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: pro bowler and it's going to look good for me.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: I need to draft the right guy for my team.
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: And I think Joe and Jim have a very special
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: relationship like that of Yeah, I'm going to draft the
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: guy that you know, I think is going to a
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: be the best player over the next four years or
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: five years, that's what you're drafting them for, not just
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: this year, and be someone that has a chance to thrive,
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: that that is going to fit in with this group,
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: that has the right character, makeup, style of play, physicality.
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: It's a physical team. You know, you got to be
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: able to kick some ass to be a charger. Like
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: when you look up Tu Lee, Khalil Mack. These guys
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: are physical. You know, Tier Tart as mean as hell.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: You know that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: The same thing with Joe for his baby face. He's nasty.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: He is a Yeah, Alt is a nasty and Rashaun
• 39:08
  Speaker 7: Slater is nasty as smart as he is. These are
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: nasty dudes, man. And so I think Joe has done
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: a really good job of drafting. And I think Lad
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: McConkie low key is that chip on the shoulder. Okay,
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: I'm a little white guy with curly hair and I
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: got my little Southern accent.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: You think I'm a cute guy. No, man, he wants
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: to kick you.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Remember, guy, I played Georgia, the best team in the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: country for years. I was the best receiver rockers like
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: we write the two guys. Yeah remember when we left
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: in the TL Like that was me.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: So I think he does a great job of drafting
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: guys like that.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: What's uh, Khalil Max a free agent? Right?
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: I would imagine they like Khalil Mack a lot. Yes,
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: they love older but he Tone Setter. Tone Cetter had
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: a great conversation with corner Tarheed Still, who was going
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: in at just finish his rookie year, and he had
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: mentioned that he was coming in the facility to work
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: out and Khalil was there, and.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, it was cool. You know. I started
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: talking to.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Khalil and he was sort of helping me out, getting
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: me on a on a path, and then I came in.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: It's like it was like a Tuesday.
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: I came in on Thursday, and because I was like,
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: where were you yesterday, He's like, oh, you know, I'm
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: doing Tuesday, Thursday, Friday right now. He's like okay, He's
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: like and I got the hint real quick. He's like,
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: and uh yeah. Ever since then, I've been coming in
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: seven days a week and I meet Khalil and we
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: work out together. And that's you want to know how
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: you can meet thirty four going on thirty five and
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: you're still one of the top ten. He's got likes
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: right exactly, And that's that's kind of going back to
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: our Dodger conversation. Khalil puts in the work man and
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: he's now like, I think Tooley's twenty three going into
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: his fourth year, twenty four. May I think he's gonna
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: be twenty four? Like talk about having a guy to
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: guide you and like too. He was probably the most
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: underrated d line mean in the league last year.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Guy at thirteen and a half sacks man.
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: Like in countless pressures he top ten and pressures can
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: play inside kick outside that NASCAR package with two Ley
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: on the inside at Mac and Away on the outside
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: and a fifty five percent pressure ragief like, that's all
• 41:15
  Speaker 7: Khalil Mack.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: That's him setting the toe.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: You'd expect them to be pretty aggressive trying.
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: To bring him back. I think that's what's the number.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Can we make it work. We got to resign Away.
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: We probably got to do an extension for Tuley so
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: he doesn't get the free agency next year. Let's can
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: we make that work? And I think Khalil he loves
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: southern California.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: I see his kids running around the field all the time.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: You know, there's certain guys that don't like it and
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: want to go back to Kansas and climbing their truck
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: and go hunting and stuff like that because that's what
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: they're into, or go back to Florida because that's what
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: they're into. I get the sense Khalil really likes so
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: I feel.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Like Khalil could be a movie star, you know, like
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: HOWI Long when he died a broken arrow idea. He's
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: such a good looking guy, he's enormous. Yep, got the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger HOWI Long thing, got a great call. I mean,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like Khalil Mack call at movies of change.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: The action movies don't happen as much. But if if
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: this was the Heyday of like ninety five, I feel
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: like Khalil Mack would like have a machine re launch
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Commando or something and be kicking everyone's ass.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'll get you out of here on this. You know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I think the Chargers are going to be a sexy
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: obviously free agency in the draft. Yeah, I think there's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of momentum going into the season.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: You know, the Super Bowls is so far Harbaugh third
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: year kind of really established his group. Yeah, I think
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: they're going to be a team that a lot of people.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: The division's hard. I mean, the Raiders are surely going
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to be a little better, you think, and Denver Kansas
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: City is kind of an outlier six win team.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: They're tough.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: What's the key to like figuring it out and getting
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: over the hum.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: Well, I think it's offense, you know, which is why
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: the McDaniel higre are so exciting. You know, you look
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: at the Patriots game. They allowed sixteen points. You know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: it's like you got to win a playoff game when
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: you lost. You think about like that Denver game in
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: week team they had all backups right playing defense and
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: they didn't allow a touchdown. And it's a team that
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: was fighting for the number one seed and they did
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: not allow a touchdown. So like, I feel great about
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: the defense. Even though Jesse's gone, and I think the
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: world that you see. I think he's going to be
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: exceptional in Baltimore and do him the other day.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: He is not big, No, you would if you didn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: know who he was, you would never think that's the
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: head coach to the Baltimore right.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: And he looks very young. Yeah, he's got a very
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: young face. He's so smart. He's gonna his pressers. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: used to not a big press conference guy. You know,
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: it's a lot of platitudes and non answer answers. Jesse
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: was always great man, very thoughtful, articulate, answered with that,
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: yeah we did that wrong, we should have done this.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: I could do this better. So he's going to be great.
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: So you're gonna lose a lot with our defensive corner
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: Chris O'Leary. So Chris was So it was interesting because
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: we thought they would go in house just to try
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: to keep the continuity, keep as many of the coaches
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: in house as they could, which they did. Chris was
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: the safety's coach in year one of Harbaugh, So came
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: from Notre Dame Lat. Twenty four or twenty twenty four
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: was his only year coaching in the NFL, coach safeties.
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: So he's the one that was tasked with getting Derwin right, like, Hey,
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: this is how I think we're gonna play you. We're
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: gonna we're gonna predominantly feature us slot corner as a
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: big nickel. We're going to play in some dime linebackers.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: So he basically was tasked with, let's make sure Derwin
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: what was his line? It was clarity is velocity. That
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: was Chris O'Leary's line. Clarity's velocity, And I need Darwin
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: to play with velocity. So I need to get this
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: to be easy and clear so he can be the
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: best aversion of himself, which is in the conversations the
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: best like Kyle Hamilton of Baltimore, so he did that.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: They traded for Elijah Molden I think middle of training camp,
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: and it was on O'Leary to get him ready for
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: the season.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: And Molden had a huge year playing free.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Safety for them, and so I think those two things
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: combined with he goes to Western Michigan to be their DC.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: He was not on the team last year.
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: He takes the Bronx from I think they were one
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: hundred and fifteenth defense.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: In the nation. And remember this is the MAC.
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: You're not spending a bunch of money to get a
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: bunch of great players in it's pretty much level defense.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: So it's like you.
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: Might as well you're at Ohio or you're at Toledo,
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: or you're at Western or Central Michigan. It's all equal,
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: you know, for the most part, top ten, top ten
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: defense and all he did, and it was funny when
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: you looked at his game plans and his teaching sheets,
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: they were all Chargers. They just put a little Western
• 45:15
  Speaker 7: Michigan logo on there. So basically he's just a disciple
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: of Jesse Minter and a great again, very smart guy.
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: So as long as it's a really long answer. As
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: long as that holds up.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be good.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: They're gonna be good, man. I think I think the
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: offense gonna be good.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I think the Harball brothers and Jim's talked about this forever.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Their ability to hire coaches that's it, especially defensive coaches
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: is pretty good. I mean, no one ten years ago.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, I mean, the guy was a quality control
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: guy at Georgia and they've turned him into I mean,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: one of the best coaches in the league. Kyle Shanahana
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay of defense. Right, So in Harbaugh, you gotta
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: trust because it typically works. And your floor. The thing
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: with Jim, your floor is so high. It's like you're disappointed.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Back to back playoffs, no problem, right, you know, so
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get in.
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: You can get into the tournament. When you've got Herbert,
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: I know he has not played well. Anything can happen,
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: and you know, I can make excuses forever about those
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: playoff games and just sort of the issues that we're
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: plaguing them, even the Jacksonville game.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Man, they just I mean it, I can do it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: How are you running a freaking reverse to Michael Bandy
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: when you're shutting the Jacksonville Jaguars out, and all you
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: need is a yard and a half to pick up
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: a first down and go to the half up twenty
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: eight to nothing.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: And it's over.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: And instead Joe Lombardi's running a freaking reverse with a
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: practice squad guy who bobbles the snap and turns it over.
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: Jacksonville scores, and it felt completely different going into the half.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: Because of that, It's like, what what are we doing?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Cal I got one more question, actually, se football your
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: co host Petros. Yeah, people, you know he's don't might
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: not remember played at USC.
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: Captain of the worst football team in USC history, And
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: he says, I don't.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: That's his line.
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: Yes, I was the captain, although I believe it has
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: since been surpassed in one of those Clay Health You.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Remember the in like six or five Fresno State played US. Well,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Petros called that game. My cousin was a long snapper
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: on that team. I remember what it was on TNT
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: back then. But USC in the heyday of Pete is
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: it fair to say Dodger Laker level buzz in that city?
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah? We had no football team, We had no NFL team.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Would it matter though? As good as they were, I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: think they still would have been at equal. Yeah, the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: USC football is a big deal. USC football is a
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: big deal. What the hell in California?
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: I think bad leadership is ultimately what it came down
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: to Pete. I think it started with Pete and a
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: lot of this is me just regurgitating sort of what
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Petros's views are. But Pete, I think, became jealous of
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: Norm Chow and you know, he was getting a lot
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: of the credit. You know, Norm is this great play caller,
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: and he's got Matt Lioner and Reggie Bush and look
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: what he's doing with Lendale White and Mike Williams and
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: and and then he just kind of basically kicked him out,
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: you know, and made Lane and Sark and these young
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: guys kind of came in. Did the same thing with
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: Dwayne Walker on defense, who was really good at coordinating
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: the defense, and then when he left, it just got
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: away from him. Man Like, instead of recognizing that, hey,
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: you've got all the recruits, you've got an incredible base,
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: they were like, let's just keep the peat thing going,
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: you know. And so you hire Lane and then you
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: hire Sark like they hired allegedly reportedly. I want to
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: make sure I say that hired a search firm. When
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: they hired sark they were going to pay a million dollars.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: It's so stupid what these schools do that these search
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: firms free these job, right, that's what are you getting
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: paid a million dollars for? So they hire a search firm.
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: Search firm comes back and says Chris Peterson, no brainer,
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: perfect guy. They're like, okay, Steve Sarkisian Washington's like take them,
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: will hire Chris Peterson.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: And looking at how that.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Worked, they went to the playoffs. Immediately.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, immediately, Like had USC just listened to the search
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: firm and hired coach Pete, I think coach Pete might
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: still be coaching there.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like it would have gone so well.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I've said forever in college football, like culture and personality
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and where you're from matter. Look at all the great
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: West Coast coaches. Pete California guy Yeh, Jeff Tedford California guy,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Chris Peterson, UC Davis West Coast guy Nick Sabe, and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Kirby Smart Dabo Sweeney. They're from the South.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: They have the draw right.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: The Northeast guys, now, there are some guys. Urban Meyer
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: could have coached on them anywhere. Nick Saban probably could
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: have too, but most guys are not that and Lincoln
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: is a small town Texas guy. And it took over
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma who it was already built.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: It was already built by Stoops.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: It was a little like now Chip with Ballotti took
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: it to another level. But they were already a top
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: twenty team. It was a good job to take over
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: and take the next level. Lincoln did the same. They
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: were already a top twenty, top fifteen team. He just
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: made him a top five team. USC was a disaster,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: yea and Lincoln the thought they could buy their way
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: out problem. The gavehim one hundred twenty million. They buy
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: a mansion in Oklahoma. It's been a fucking disaster that
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: there's no way around it's been. And then he last year,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: he wants out of the LSU game and Brian Kelly's like, no,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: we're playing this game. Brian Kelly said that it's like
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: this guy, everyone's making fun of him, and he's like, no,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: we're playing this year. Obviously he's pushing for the Notre
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Dame thing. I feel like USC's just lost his way
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and it kind of starts with it. I met him
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. He's a nice guy. I just
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: think it's an awful fit. I mean, I think it's
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: a terrible fit. And I just he has this great
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: recruiting class. Okay, always eighteen year old guys. You ever
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: hear Rick Patino talk high school kids in basketball and
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: football are done because you don't need them for like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: three years. So it's like, okay, you have the top
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: recruiting class. And part of it is California law. They
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: could pay these kids in high school. Some of these
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: states can't, so they can give him a bonus while
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: they're still in high school. So would the kid actually
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: go to sc or is he just going because you
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: gave him seven thousand dollars? Yeah? I think I'm sure
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: in Nest football this year, I don't see them as
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: a playoff team.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: No, I'm with you. It's top down.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: It's beyond leadership, it's beyond the head coach I think
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: goes and it's beyond gen co And I think.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: It's all the to the president of the university.
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: How it's just gotten sideways, the idea that you could
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: let a.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: Small town Texas head coach.
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: That's done nothing for your program, dictate the end of
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: the most storied college football rivalry outside of Michigan Ohio State,
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: Like you're going to really let that go because of
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: Lincoln Riley thinks he can make the playoff, which he
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: has not done yet. If you get rid of USC
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: Notre Dame, McKay Rockney like that, that's what we're talking about.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: For me, a guy that's finding play in college was
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: not any of the national championships. It was the Notre
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Dame game with.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: The right exactly like right and like so for me
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: my era, it was Rivers versus Rodney Pete Man, Like
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: that was the game, Like that's the greatest coll I
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: remember that being to me as a kid, like the
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: coolest college football game I ever watched because it was
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: storied Notre Dames, storied USC, the history of those two programs,
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: California versus Chicago, And it's just is it done officially
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: They've tabled it for two years.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: They could revisit it, but it's just so dumb that
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: it happened.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: It's so incredibly stupid that they let it happen. I
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: don't understand it, and I know, like the the USC supporters,
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: and there's plenty of them that will they're just boot lickuors.
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: They'll say whatever they can to support the school and
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: the team. Well, Notre Dame doesn't play by the rules
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: and they need to join a conference and they don't
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: know what it's like, and it's like, I don't give
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: a damn man, it's USC Notre Dame. I don't care.
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: Like all that stuff you can figure out in the
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: playoff and put pressure on them and they can't make
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: the playoff unless they carry this sort whatever. It's just
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: I'm just talking about this one game every year, and
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: the idea that it came to an end.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Is asinine completely.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Is the coach in two years, No, no chance.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: I think he wants out.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I think he was if McGuire, if Texas Tech had
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: not gone, well, do you think.
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: He's a text tech cut I think he takes any
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: of those jobs. If anyone from the SEC or the
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: Big Twelve come to get him, he will gladly.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: No.
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: I think if any of the NFL teams, like there
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: were some rumors that Tennessee was sniffing around you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: Sark and sniffing around Lincoln a little bit, I think
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: had they come gone see you later. I don't think
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: it's You're right, it's not only is it not a
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: fit for SC. I don't think he believes that.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I mean. Who what would they do
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: when on that What if SC had an opening? Like
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: what would you even guess? Like where? Because it's hard
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to even like, I don't even know where they'd stick.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: To me when when it was all coming up, when
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: it all came up, I was like, first person i'd
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: call it probably be Pat Fitzgerald.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: Get a guy that builds culture. Get the train back
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: on the tracks. Yeah, get let's get what was SC?
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: It was half back you man, It's like, let's get
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: this thing back on the tracks. Let's get the trenches right,
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: let's you've got Like you said, high school players don't
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: matter as much anymore, but they do for depth, you know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: and when not that.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: Right exactly. They're not going to help you win immediately.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: But I think if if.
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: You get like someone like what Pete built with the
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: offensive and defensive lines, when you think about those teams
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: and how good those O line and D lines were, man,
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: and when you get sort of like what I think
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: Pat's going to be able to do in the Big
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: ten again.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: It's just it's tough football man.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Chris Peterson does stuff at Fox. He's in LA all
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'd hire him in a second. I just don't
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: think he wants to do it.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: He's done.
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: If coach Pete said, hey, I want to do it, done,
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: let's go.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: No.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: I think he's one of the most underrated coaches in
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: the last twenty years, thirty years.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Genius money. I appreciate it, enjoy the combine. I will
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: enjoy life, and I do want to make one correction.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: When we were together in Phoenix, you played golf. I
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: held clubs and swung them at a little ball. That
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: was the difference. Well I had I had a kid
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: about a month and a half ago, and I probably
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: look more like you.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Now. That's not good.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: So next time you guys come to Arizona Wall be
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: equals awesome.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Talk to you sooner.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it, brother.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Thanks Bro
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: The volume