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Happy Hour #155: Shock is the Point · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff I Never told you, PRODUCTU of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 1: And we're back with another happy hour.
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  Speaker 2: Yay.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been a long first month of the year,
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  Speaker 1: like it's never ending.
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  Speaker 3: It feels like it should be like one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: sixth day of January. Maybe it just seems like a
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  Speaker 3: never ending drag of all these things happening. So if
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  Speaker 3: it feels like you're being overwhelmed with a lot of
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  Speaker 3: bad you're not the only one. I think you've heard
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  Speaker 3: a say of many times we feel overwhelmed and everything's
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  Speaker 3: the worst. And it may be the doom scrolling, or
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  Speaker 3: it may be that the plan is to paralyze you
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  Speaker 3: with fear. But before we start, this happy hour isn't
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  Speaker 3: just a wineing session that I typically but a conversation
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  Speaker 3: we need desperately and something I need to shake out
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  Speaker 3: as we try to survive the next four years. You
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  Speaker 3: know how we do with the happy hours before we start,
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  Speaker 3: find a comfortable seat. If you're slipping on something special,
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  Speaker 3: do so responsibly. Whatever you're doing, do so responsibly. If
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  Speaker 3: you're in panic mode. This is this is a good
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  Speaker 3: conversation to have. I think we should you should take
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  Speaker 3: the time to listen to this. So we are talking
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  Speaker 3: about current affairs, but it is something that we need
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  Speaker 3: to talk about. But before we start, we're actually drinking
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  Speaker 3: a little fancy drinks today. Instead of going for the
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  Speaker 3: newer companies, we came back to a goodie and Annie,
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  Speaker 3: can you tell us what you're drinking right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I am drinking Black Girl Magic Bubbly Red and
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  Speaker 2: it can that Samantha delivered to me was kind enough
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  Speaker 2: to deliver to me yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I was just playing door dash yesterday, not a sponsor.
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  Speaker 3: Sponsor, yeah, because I was going around. I've been looking
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  Speaker 3: for like just easy, ready made drinks for us who
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  Speaker 3: just need a quick sip of something nice and refreshing.
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  Speaker 3: And I forgot that Black Own Magic, who is the
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  Speaker 3: McBride sisters created their own line of canned beverages. So
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  Speaker 3: we got that red because we both love red and
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  Speaker 3: this is ef pervescent, which I was like, what a
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  Speaker 3: bubbly red?
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  Speaker 1: How does it taste?
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  Speaker 3: Because I haven't opened mind yet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's really good. I thought. My concern with bubbly
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  Speaker 2: reds is that they'll be too sweet, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: at all. It's very Chris. It's got of nice bites,
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  Speaker 2: but it's really pleasant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of made my like, you know, like the
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  Speaker 2: tartness a little bit, but it's balancing out. It's really good.
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  Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a Cabernet sauvignon, right, Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And shout out.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to know more about the McBride sisters
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  Speaker 3: and their wine, we have a past episode.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we can bring it back much.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all hear about them as a classic, but yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: did feature them before, so go back and listen.
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  Speaker 1: And they have huge They're huge. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: They are now available everywhere I saw them, not Trader
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  Speaker 3: Joe's recently.
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  Speaker 1: They have a bubbly Yeah, they're they're doing their thing.
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  Speaker 3: I have uh their she Can, So they have a
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  Speaker 3: whole special addition she Can. It's called it says, break
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  Speaker 3: the rules, Break the rules, drink the wine. Is there
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  Speaker 3: a little logo for it and it's uh tropical sprits.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a carbonated rose wine and it donuts to
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  Speaker 3: the mcbright sisters she Can Fund, which supports the advancement
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  Speaker 3: of women in male dominated industries with scholarships, memberships, and
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  Speaker 3: communities which is super cyper cool. Yeah, I'm gonna open
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  Speaker 3: it on mike Ya. If you don't like that crisp
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  Speaker 3: sound of opening, can to listen. Okay, I'm gonna taste
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  Speaker 3: it right now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh that's nice.
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  Speaker 2: Is nice?
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  Speaker 3: Like the rose with the fruitiness, so you've got that
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  Speaker 3: little the wine bite with an extra kick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tangerine to me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we just did an episode on Tangerine's for Savor,
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  Speaker 2: so well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many brands and Breeze and.
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  Speaker 2: Like, okay, yeah, that's why I side is because tangerine is.
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  Speaker 2: We did a much larger category, but tangerine is anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Angelo's all of those Oh.
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  Speaker 2: It was I gave me a huge headaches. Man, it
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  Speaker 2: was really difficult.
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  Speaker 1: I have a specific kind that I like that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I wait for the season because it's easy
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  Speaker 3: to peel off and it's very like Asian.
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  Speaker 1: People love oranges. Yeah, all people do. I guess I apologize.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, go back to so that we are drinking that
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  Speaker 3: as we are having this very detailed conversation because we're
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  Speaker 3: going to support as many marginalized businesses as possible, and
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  Speaker 3: that includes women led businesses and black owned businesses because
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  Speaker 3: for the next four years, we are going to push.
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  Speaker 1: Back with our money. Am I right? I am right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm also doing that with local businesses as well. So
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  Speaker 1: we did visit.
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  Speaker 3: I did go to our local beverage, as you will.
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  Speaker 3: That's only in Atlanta. I don't think I've seen it
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  Speaker 3: anywhere else, but they are a local area. Greens also
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  Speaker 3: not a sponsor, but if you're in Atlanta, they have
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  Speaker 3: a great section of alcohols and then some Anyway, with
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  Speaker 3: everything we have, we have to find a middle ground,
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  Speaker 3: and it's easy to be overwhelmed. So we wanted to
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  Speaker 3: talk about what is happening with this shock and awe
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  Speaker 3: of this administration. A lot has happened. Executive orders have
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  Speaker 3: been signed, not legally, not all of them legally. There
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  Speaker 3: are so many things that they are being pushed back on,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it's important that we have this conversation
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  Speaker 3: of what is happening in our administration. Typically this would
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  Speaker 3: be something that we talk about on our Monday Mini,
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  Speaker 3: but I need to figure this out as a person
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  Speaker 3: who is trying to get as much detailed, correct and
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  Speaker 3: accurate information as possible and feeling like everything in the
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  Speaker 3: US has been censored or as propaganda somehow one way
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  Speaker 3: or the other. So I really feel like trying to
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  Speaker 3: get my bearings, and I think, I know I'm not
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  Speaker 3: the only one listening around. Sure you're with us. I
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  Speaker 3: know Annie feels the same way in so many respects.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, no, I do. I mean I had to.
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  Speaker 2: I had to be like, you can't overreact at everything,
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  Speaker 2: because you'll just drown. And I'm actually somebody who likes
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  Speaker 2: to let the dust settle before I deal with it,
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  Speaker 2: because otherwise, who knows if what you saw somewhere or
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  Speaker 2: heard somewhere is true exactly because it's all so fast paced,
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  Speaker 2: and so I like to, you know, not get too
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  Speaker 2: caught up in it. But I mean, I'm human, and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it happens. But I definitely have friends where I
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  Speaker 2: have to be. I have to say. I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you're spiral ring, you're sending me all these texts. It's okay, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's not okay, but let's were.
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  Speaker 3: We have to deal with this and just breathe. So
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  Speaker 3: that is something that I think we do need to
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  Speaker 3: talk about. So yesterday I saw on a TikTok a
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  Speaker 3: woman named Jennifer Walters and her handle is it's Jennifer Walter,
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  Speaker 3: and I believe this is on threads, I guess on
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  Speaker 3: Instagram and again her handle is it's Jennifer Walter, and
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  Speaker 3: I think it's something that we really need to think about.
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  Speaker 3: So I want to read her thread right now go.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Much about her other works, but she is a sociologist,
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  Speaker 3: so I think it says a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But here's what she says. As a sociologist, I need to.
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  Speaker 3: Tell you your overwhelm is the goal. The flood of two
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  Speaker 3: hundred plus executive orders in Trump's first day exemplifies Naomi
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  Speaker 3: Klein's shock doctrine, using chaos and crisis to push through
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  Speaker 3: radical changes while people are too disoriented to effectively resist.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't just politics as usual. It's a strategic exploitation
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  Speaker 3: of cognitive limits. Media theorist mcgluhahn predicted this. When humans
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  Speaker 3: face information overload, they become passive and disengaged. The rapid
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  Speaker 3: fire executive orders create a cognitive bottleneck, making it nearly
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  Speaker 3: in pops possible for citizens and media to thoroughly analyze
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  Speaker 3: any single policy. Agenda setting theory explains the strategy when
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  Speaker 3: multiple major policies compete for attention. Simultaneously, it fragments public discourse.
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  Speaker 3: Traditional media can't keep up with the pace, leading to
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  Speaker 3: superficial coverage. The result weaken democratic oversight and reduce public engagement.
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  Speaker 3: So that's something that I think we need to have
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  Speaker 3: that conversation. This is on purpose. They've been talking about
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  Speaker 3: doing this. Steve Bannon, one of his advisors from old
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  Speaker 3: has talked about the fact that this is what they
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  Speaker 3: were going to do.
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  Speaker 1: This was the intent.
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  Speaker 3: Project twenty twenty five kind of talks about that as well,
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  Speaker 3: and he doesn't care if it's going to work. The
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  Speaker 3: administration does not care. They want that shock to overwhelm
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  Speaker 3: the headlines, and that is what is happening. So every
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  Speaker 3: time you hear something with breaking news and there's a
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  Speaker 3: TikTok creator whom I don't quite trust, but he has
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  Speaker 3: a lot of information who comes out with breaking news
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  Speaker 3: and he probably posts. He's got to be exhausted, like
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  Speaker 3: ten times a day with different about what is happening
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  Speaker 3: within the US and specifically what is happening with this administration.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not because he's trying.
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  Speaker 1: To overwhelm us. Maybe he is. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he's he's I don't think he's an
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  Speaker 3: op as the gen Aziers would say, but maybe he is.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, because he's giving good information and accurate
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  Speaker 3: information is just a lot and that is the point.
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  Speaker 3: So I think we have to have a conversation about
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  Speaker 3: what this is. With everything, we have to find a
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  Speaker 3: middle ground, and that is something that you know as
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  Speaker 3: a libra.
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  Speaker 1: If I don't have that, I'm a fall asleep.
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  Speaker 3: Because my narcolepsy is going to pop in and be
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  Speaker 3: like mop stress going to bed, you know. And it's
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  Speaker 3: easy to be overwhelmed. And as a normal citizen, you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to be able to fix the problem on
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  Speaker 3: your own or immediately. But as a citizen, we can
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  Speaker 3: make a difference. So both of those things. You're not
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  Speaker 3: the most important here and you're not the like key player,
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  Speaker 3: but you are a part of this puzzle. So these
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  Speaker 3: both of these middle lines. I feel like when we
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  Speaker 3: talk about the main character syndrome, this is what kind
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  Speaker 3: of happens like you feel like you have to do
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  Speaker 3: it immediately and if you don't, it's all your fault.
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  Speaker 3: So it's both overwhelming, guilt ridden and at the same
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  Speaker 3: time a little bit narcissistic.
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  Speaker 1: It's all of these things. So she goes on.
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  Speaker 3: Jennifer Walter goes on to talk about some solutions. She says,
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  Speaker 3: what now, So one set boundaries, pick two to three
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  Speaker 3: key issues you deeply care about, and focus your attention there.
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  Speaker 3: You can't track everything that's by design. Impact comes from
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  Speaker 3: sustained focus, not scattered awareness. So focus, use aggregators and experts.
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  Speaker 3: Find trusted analysts who do the heavy lifting of synthesis.
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  Speaker 3: Look for those explaining patterns, not just events. So again,
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  Speaker 3: we kind of gave you a list of people and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people that you could look to to
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  Speaker 3: get for more information.
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  Speaker 1: That was for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: Remember, feeling overwhelmed is the point when you recognize this,
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  Speaker 3: you regain some power, take breaks.
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  Speaker 1: Process. This is a marathon, and that's the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: They're trying to get you to get tired out at
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  Speaker 3: the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: So you give up and you get numb to it.
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  Speaker 3: Stop stop practice, going slow, Wait forty eight hours before
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  Speaker 3: reacting to new policies. So the way you're saying, let
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  Speaker 3: the dust settle. Yes, Yes, yes, the urgent clouds the
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  Speaker 3: important initial reporting often misses context. Yes, cute, build a
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  Speaker 3: community share the cognitive load. Different people attract different issues.
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  Speaker 3: Network intelligence beats individual overload. Again that you're part of
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  Speaker 3: the puzzle. You're not the main character here. Come together,
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  Speaker 3: you know's that whole common does something.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm just we're already on.
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  Speaker 3: A list, right, and I feel like we're probably on
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  Speaker 3: a list already. Remember, they want you scattered. Your focus
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  Speaker 3: is resistance. Once again, this is just that immediate moment
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  Speaker 3: of conversation and understanding when you're feeling that scattered and overwhelmed.
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  Speaker 1: We get there. We're all there.
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  Speaker 3: We're all there, Like COVID is already kind of this
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  Speaker 3: up real good and that level of chaos, and so
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  Speaker 3: what we want to do is hide and seclude ourselves.
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  Speaker 3: This is not that point. This is not that point.
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  Speaker 3: You can take breaks, You need to take breaks. Let's
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  Speaker 3: add that into this. You're not going to solve every problem.
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  Speaker 3: We're not going to solve all the problems. You need
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  Speaker 3: to consider what is important at this point for you
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  Speaker 3: and focus on that. So I think that's really important.
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  Speaker 3: Like we talked about intersectionality, Yes, but there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of us and we can all have segments of wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And I think Another important part of that is
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  Speaker 2: knowing when you are agreeing with someone or being kind
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  Speaker 2: of maybe performative, you're taking up space, So like, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: who should like if you're not the expert, If it's
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  Speaker 2: an issue you care about, but it's not one of
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  Speaker 2: your like three main issues, perhaps just know the difference
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  Speaker 2: between showing support and kind of taking up space.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, a necessarily amount of space. Talking too much for
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  Speaker 3: no reason. You don't need to have, Like, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: Need to have a hot take on everything. You don't.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, I get hot takes. I got some take.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I get to I get to like
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  Speaker 2: the feeling. But it's especially if you haven't waited for
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  Speaker 2: the dust to settle just.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's the other conversation here is if
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  Speaker 3: you feel offended by your peers by something because they
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  Speaker 3: didn't take your recommendation or they don't think whatever you
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  Speaker 3: think is important it's important to them. Right now, you
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  Speaker 3: need to take a look at why you're doing this.
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  Speaker 3: That's a you problem. I'm gonna put that out there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna call you in and tell you that's part
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  Speaker 3: of the problem. And that is what Annie was saying
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  Speaker 3: was performative if you are so like I have to
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  Speaker 3: be the center of this and you to you that
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  Speaker 3: might not be the thing because that's the main character syndrome. M.
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  Speaker 3: You just have to figure out what it is best
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  Speaker 3: for the collective. Yes, very apocalyptic, do it so again
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  Speaker 3: with all of that, take the time to work through
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  Speaker 3: your emotions. Yes, And I know you know what I
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  Speaker 3: will say, the marginalized community, women, people of color, they're
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  Speaker 3: the best at knowing bad like they understand that. So
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  Speaker 3: we know how to go through that because we've been
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  Speaker 3: told that we need to so that we're a pro
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  Speaker 3: with that at this point, right. Yeah, but make sure
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  Speaker 3: you're doing that in this moment. Make a plan and
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  Speaker 3: research your information, research your information, find the community that
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  Speaker 3: to plan those things out with, like, you need to
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  Speaker 3: have this community. And as a reminder, there was another
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  Speaker 3: TikTok that I really thought was good where they talked
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  Speaker 3: about the fact that it's a new form of propaganda
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  Speaker 3: they think, in which they don't give you all the
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  Speaker 3: information and then if the information is wrong, they come
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  Speaker 3: back and backtrack and be like, no, that's not what
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  Speaker 3: we said, that's what they misinterpreted us. This is what
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  Speaker 3: we're saying about keeping up to date and letting the
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  Speaker 3: dust settle. Both of those things are important because you
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: don't know exactly what's happening now. What just happened with
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  Speaker 3: the federal funding freeze. That's one of the big conversations,
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  Speaker 3: Like what they try. They're trying to gaslight. Everybody's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: we didn't say that. I don't know who did that.
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  Speaker 2: That was.
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  Speaker 3: That was just back out. The government is trying to
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  Speaker 3: gaslight us at the thinking that we made that up.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. You know where I saw this play out on
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  Speaker 2: next door of all places, huge fight broke out of
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  Speaker 2: people being like that's not what happened, and other people
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  Speaker 2: be like, yes it is. It's like whoa gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, wow exactly. The conversation is like wow.
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  Speaker 3: But with all of that, I think we need to
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  Speaker 3: remember what this is about again. Like I said, this
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  Speaker 3: is partially me hashing it out in myself because I've
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  Speaker 3: been so overwhelmed and wanted to give up.
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  Speaker 1: But we can't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially those who are not black women who
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  Speaker 3: again are like I'm we're done. We're gonna take a
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  Speaker 3: break rightly. So we have to have this conversation. We
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  Speaker 3: have to pick it back up. And when I say
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  Speaker 3: that about black women, they're not. They want to say
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  Speaker 3: that out loud, but they, as people who have been
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  Speaker 3: at the front of these fights, would like to say that,
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  Speaker 3: but we know they don't.
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  Speaker 1: We wish they could take a break.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're the unfortunately, the ones that understand the
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  Speaker 3: most about what is happening. And we're at the price
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  Speaker 3: the pay. So I know it's a lot. And thank
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  Speaker 3: you for hanging there with me and Annie. If you
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  Speaker 2: you can check out the heart radio app, Apple podcasts,
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  Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite ships.