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Late CE Raiding with Casey · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to a special bonus episode of Four Azeroth.
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  I'm Sean, and today I'm sitting here with a man who I forgot to
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  ask if I should call him by his name or by this ridiculous
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  handle he has chosen for himself online.
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  What I call you I. Call you case.
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  OK, OK, what is big old bucket of water?
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  So it's like a really niche reference to the TV show
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  players. I don't know if you've seen it.
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  It's a League of Legends. Like I think mockumentary is the
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  term. Like they cover a fake E sports
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  team and a big old bucket of water happens to be the top
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  laner. His name in that game, he's not
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  even a main character. He just has a really is a
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  ridiculous name. And I saw it and I was like, I'm
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  a steal that I didn't even spell it right.
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  But my old name used to be the King live.
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  And that was when I streamed a lot and I don't really stream a
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  lot anymore, so I wasn't even alive.
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  So I was like, well, what do I just want to be the king?
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  And I was like, that sounds cringe.
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  So I just changed it to something silly.
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  And I was like, yeah, whatever. But, you know, it made me laugh.
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  Yeah. So that's that's what we went
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  with. And I started creating content
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  again and people were like, I can't find what's this guy's
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  channel name again? And I'm like, it's not great,
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  but I might stick with it just because like I think it's
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  memorable. Like you see the that
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  combination of number or letters and you're like, yeah, that was
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  a guy that I watched, you know, so I don't know, maybe.
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  Yeah, it is. And it's sort of fitting because
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  you play mage in Warcraft. Yeah, that was that was actually
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  just the the season thing. I'm more of an elemental shaman,
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  but like they also use water, so, you know, like it works out.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I like it.
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  Big, big water guy. Hey, we're water fans here.
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  It's like nature's soda pop. So the more water we get, the
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  better. Casey, let's start off.
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  Why don't you tell our listeners who you are and why you're here
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  today? Yeah, so I, I think the best way
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  to say is I'm just a raid leader for a late see Wow Guild.
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  I've been making like YouTube content kind of documenting our
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  process progress throughout this year.
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  We've been playing for around 3 tiers.
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  So I went back, I, I found some numbers just to like give you
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  guys perspective. So we started in Cataclysm
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  actually for like a classic reading and we did tier 11.
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  This is my first tier raid leading for them.
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  And we are US. We are world 662 under mine.
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  We are 2262, Manafort, we are 1846 and then midnight right now
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  we're around 1000. But that might change because
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  Alura is really hard. So we'll see.
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  We'll see how that ends up going.
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  But yeah, we were basically the last week of the tier finishing
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  and I started just talking about our progress of the tier and
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  being like, hey, like this is a perspective that I don't hear a
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  lot in the in the scene because I think that everyone's playing
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  at a higher level. They're playing Hall of Fame or
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  raced all first and stuff. And you don't really hear about
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  the guys below that who are like, hey, hey, we're still
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  here. So I thought about kind of
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  giving that perspective a little bit.
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  I like that. What What is the biggest
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  difference between because some of our listeners don't rate at
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  all, we have we have across the board spectrum of of listeners.
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  What is the biggest difference between those ones who are
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  rating in that Hall of Fame range and your team?
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  To your level. So there's a lot of differences.
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  I think one of them is the, the people who are rating Hall of
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  Fame. They definitely, they start to
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  prioritize performance a lot more than like social.
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  So a lot of the people at our level, they are, they're just
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  getting into mythic rating mostly because they enjoy the
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  game. They're having a lot of fun
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  playing and they're like, hey, I, I'd like to dip my toe into
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  this. And they're having fun playing
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  with their friends. Whereas like at a Hall of Fame
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  level, you have to make sacrifices because it's like,
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  like you can't always have your best friend in the raid because
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  your best friend kind of sucks sometimes.
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  You know, it's just like something that you deal with in
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  the game. And it's like having to make
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  those sacrifices is very difficult.
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  So at our level, it's like, OK, do we want to make this decision
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  for fun or do we want to make this decision to get better?
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  And often times it, that's like a difficult call because like
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  you have all these connections to people and stuff and it is
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  really it's, it's very difficult to balance those two things at
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  this level. Yeah, that that is a huge
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  challenge. How do you when you're
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  recruiting? So I imagine at that, having to
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  have those discussions, do you see a lot of turnover at your
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  level to people that are leaving for higher product guilds or
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  people who are frustrated that you know you're not moving in a
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  certain direction or not moving fast enough?
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  So we've only been rating 3 tiers.
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  So I think it's really hard to say.
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  We've experienced a lot of growing pain specifically this
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  year that I can talk about later.
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  But for the most part we don't have too much turnover because
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  because everyone is such close friends that it's like like
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  imagining rating somewhere else kind of sucks.
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  We we had a guy leave last year who is really cool and he wanted
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  to pursue a Guild that rated three days a week and we only
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  rated two days a week. So I totally understand that,
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  especially because like, I mean, I'm the one running the gold and
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  part of my motivation is that like I want to play at a higher
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  level because that's why I pushed us to get better.
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  So it's like I, I get it. You know, if somebody says I
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  want to leave, I think a lot of people, especially at our level,
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  are kind of like spiteful where it's like you're I'm, I want to
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  leave. I want to find like something
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  that pushes a little higher and they'll be like, well, if you
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  leave, you're never coming back. It's like I, I told the guy, I'm
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  like, hey, if you want to go try that, go try that.
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  If you don't like it, you can come back to shoot me a message
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  and like, it'll be cool. I can't guarantee he's going to
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  have a roster spot immediately, but it's like, there's no hard
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  feelings. I get it, you know, So like
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  there's a little bit of turnover, but I don't think it's
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  crazy. No, it's not too bad.
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  Like that, that's, that's, that's really impressive because
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  I, I hear almost all of the time that the roster boss is, is the
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  hardest boss. So if you're keeping your
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  turnover minimal, I think that speaks to the culture you've
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  built. And we're going to get into that
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  a bit later. I want to talk about you
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  specifically, Boo. You're the GM, you're the raid
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  lead. Do you have any leadership
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  experience in like an outside job or in in other other video
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  games? I actually, I do have a little
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  bit of leadership experience. Just wanted to clear.
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  I actually not the GM. So I'm, I'm the raid lead.
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  I, I run the Guild with another friend of mine, Phil.
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  He is incredible. I do I could not do this without
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  him, but so for the leadership experience, I also like I, I
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  manage another YouTube channel for, for professional work.
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  And with that, I have to like work with editors and stuff like
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  that. And then beyond that as well.
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  I used to play a lot of Valerie. I'm in a Valor and that's kind
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  of where I practice like IG Elling, they call it there and
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  like that. That kind of helped a little
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  bit. So when I came over to Wow, it
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  was nice that I got to start in Cataclysm, which had ten man
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  rating and like leading in a 10 man is a lot easier than leading
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  in a 20 man. And in a 10 man it was a lot
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  more comfortable too, because it's like these guys are all my
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  closest friends and the 20 man. I'm not going to say that we're
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  not like all friends, but it's like they get a lot more people.
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  I'm not as close with everybody as I was in that 10 man.
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  So it like, yeah, I think starting small and like kind of
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  growing with it. I it helped me learn a lot
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  beyond that. I mean, I used to work in a like
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  a restaurant and stuff and I was kind of like, felt like a like a
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  leader. I wasn't a manager, but like,
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  you know, you have like the, the people on the shifts who are
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  like, you need something like ask me, I could help you out,
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  you know, sort of thing. So yeah.
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  You're the go to guy. Yeah.
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  So while I was like, I'm not like I'm not like working on
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  Amazon or something like I, I have a little bit of leadership
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  experience. Yeah.
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  All right, if the bartender needs a big little bucket of
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  water, for example, you're the person.
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  I'll go grab that bucket of water or a bucket of ice, you
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  know, I, I, I'm there for you, you know?
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  I love don't ever change it. It's the best.
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  It's the best handle ever. Please don't ever change it.
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  That's good to hear. Yeah, it's good stuff.
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  OK, so you're right. Then where where do you go for
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  you to improve? So you're going to coach your
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  team and stuff to get them up, but where do you go for you to
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  get better? What resources do you use?
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  So I mean, there's a lot of avenues you can get better, like
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  you can focus on personal performance, which I think it's
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  kind of like a, like, I, I think it's a, it's a bad idea.
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  You go down the rabbit hole and it's like, if you're always
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  focusing on yourself, then like you're like, you're not helping
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  the group as much as you could be.
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  So you have to kind of take care of yourself though too.
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  Because I do feel like there's a balance where, especially when
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  you're starting out, when you're recruiting people, you have to
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  be I, I at least perceive that you have to be respected as a
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  player. I think that if you bring people
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  in and you like people probably played that group where it's
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  like, are you like join a pug and like the raid leader is
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  telling everyone to do things, but he himself sucks.
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  It's like, you know, like he, he has to, he has to take care of
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  it. So I mean, like I to fulfill
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  that. I play the game a lot.
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  I, I watch all this like high end content.
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  I try to learn the best of the for my class and I try to make
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  sure that I'm playing well. As far as raid leading stuff,
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  there's not a lot available. The you have the raid leader
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  exchange pretty good discord, although I'm kind of afraid to
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  ask questions in there because they have I have seen them be
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  kind of mean to people sometimes.
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  So it's like a little scary and then like.
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  Shout out to Draco. It's a good community, like
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  genuinely, I think the, the reason that they're me in there
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  is because they expect you to do your own research.
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  They they don't expect you to just come in there and ask you
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  them to do everything for you. So sometimes people ask
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  questions and it's like, I think like you don't get to see like
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  the prep that that person's done.
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  Maybe that person feels like they've done a lot of prep, but
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  yeah, like you, you should be practised in like figuring
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  things out for yourself. And I understand it, but like,
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  yeah, it is it is kind of scary, you know.
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  And then the other thing too is like YouTube, you can go to
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  YouTube, but like on YouTube, the only thing available is like
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  Max has like a raid leading series from like a while ago and
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  it's like that's not perfectly applicable all the time.
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  It's good advice, you know, but like I'm not like he's leading
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  every stroll first Guild and I'm not.
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  So it's like some of the things like don't always apply.
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  So aside with that, that's kind of like it.
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  There's like some smaller creators who are doing, you
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  know, like similar things, but it's like sometimes I feel like
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  you watch it is like, I don't fully agree with the advice, but
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  like you can take bits and pieces and that's kind of the
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  idea is like somebody's going to say something might not be 100%
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  right, but it's like, Oh yeah, that's a good idea.
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  You know, you can kind of go with that.
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  So other than that, I mean, like, I'm basically like Guild
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  lean is basically running like a business.
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  So you can kind of like look around and like you can listen
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  to like different business people talk about things and
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  like working with like employees and stuff like that.
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  Not quite the same thing, but like this.
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  There's some transfer, you know, So yeah, there's a lot of
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  information everywhere if you know where to look.
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  But like, I don't think it's perfect.
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  I don't think I'm doing everything correctly.
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  You know, I'm like I'm, I'm just figuring things out as I go and
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  that's all you can do, so. Like that, Yeah, you're
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  progging. You're progging with the team as
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  a whole. It's we're going to get there.
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  We're going to, we're going to figure it out.
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  Yeah, making a lot of wrong decisions along the way, too.
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  You figure it out, you figure it out.
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  It's. I somebody told me once that a
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  wrong decision is better than no decision.
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  So yeah, at least you're doing that.
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  Have you considered 21st manning?
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  Have you, Because obviously huge advantage in that you have you
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  see Max scribe all the top guilds doing it is have you have
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  you considered that as opposed to being in playing or are you
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  like I want to be in this fight? So right now I'm at the point
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  where I just want the best for the Guild.
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  So on Laura, I was considering 21st Manning, but I think one of
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  the bigger issues with 21st Manning at our level is the
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  roster boss. I I I like not not not to strike
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  my ego. I play pretty well in game.
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  I'm not I'm not not the best player.
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  I'm not the worst player. So like putting me in unless
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  there's somebody who is better than me, it doesn't really make
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  a ton of sense for the raid. And then beyond that, also like,
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  yeah, people just call out and stuff and it's like, well, who's
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  going to jump in and play for them?
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  So I was kind of debating 21st Manning because I was like,
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  well, if somebody does call out on this boss, I can hop in.
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  I know I'm going to play well and that'll work.
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  But yeah, like it just instantly first week on Laura, it's like
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  we like call outs. I'm just like, well, I'm just
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  doing anyway. And then after I played like 2-3
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  nights, it's like, OK, does it make more sense for me to sit
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  and bring someone else in or just make more sense for me to
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  play? So that's kind of like the thing
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  that we running into and Laura, I have done it for other bosses
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  on like re clear just so other people can play and I think that
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  it's fun. I do think it's a trap, though.
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  I think like there's a lot of things you see these top guilds
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  do that I see a lot of people try to replicate at our level.
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  And it's just like I kind of just like feel like why?
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  You know, like there's the 21st man.
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  I don't think it's as necessary for us.
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  If I did 21st man, would we get the enough like value out of it
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  to like warrant doing it in the first place?
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  Or would it just be like worse Also then I have to like have
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  people customize their UI for me and like that sounds kind of
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  annoying as well. And then like also like things
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  like splits. You see, like these top guilds
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  do splits and it's like, should we do splits?
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  It's like the answer's no, we should not.
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  Like there's a bunch of other things that you just like to see
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  these guilds doing. It's like, no, should we level
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  10 characters? No, we shouldn't.
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  That's that's a bad idea. That's it.
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  Couldn't. That's the most true statement I
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  think anybody's ever made. Like, should we do splits?
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  No, I got to be honest, I don't. I'm not even sure the Top Gear
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  should be doing splits. Well, it like, it feels like the
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  answer for like how to improve is is glamorous, you know, like,
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  yeah, we should do all these 15 different things that like the
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  race is doing or whatever. I don't even know what they are,
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  but I'm sure that you could come up with a number of things
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  that's like, oh, this was really cool.
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  The race does this, should we do this?
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  And the answer is no, you shouldn't.
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  You should to get better at rating, you should read more.
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  That's kind of the answer. You should read more, do a
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  little bit of prep, watch some guides, you know, maybe playing
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  your cooldown, stuff like that. Practice your rotation on a
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  target dummy. It's not, it's not glamorous,
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  but that's the answer. That's how you get better at the
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  game as you play the game more. So yeah, that's kind of my take.
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  Yeah, no, it's good take. It's good take.
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  Let's talk about the guilt specifically.
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  So I'm going to use the term race to world last Guild, but I
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  don't think I think we've seen these three tiers.
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  You're trending away from race to world last.
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  Maybe this tier you get a month off more fingers crossed
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  somewhere in that range. But what are some of the
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  challenges of leading a Guild at your at your level?
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  I mean, like, where do you start?
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  You know? So right now I, I'm going to go
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  for the more unique things because it's like I feel like
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  there's, there's a lot of challenges you could probably
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  guess, but right now it's actually interest where, where I
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  don't know how many weeks in the day, like 2-2 ish months, a
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  little bit over maybe. And people just people just
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  start to lose interest. You know, right now we finished
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  raid and what do we do? We log on to Abraham mayhem.
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  We play some mark Raiders, we play some path of exile or
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  something. It's like when you're a race to
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  Alaska, you, you never stop raiding.
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  This is something that we mentioned briefly before the
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  show is that like you see all these Hall of Fame players like
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  sitting around and they're like, there's nothing to do.
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  And it's like, well, I still feel like I have six weeks of
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  Lura Prague left, you know, like I'm like, I, I have so much left
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  to do that it's like there's no end insight.
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  And I think that that's one of the biggest challenges is that
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  like, as you get later in the season, when you lose interest,
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  not only do you lose interest, but you play worse.
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  You know, it's like we're, we're on the hardest boss that we've
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  ever fought and everyone needs to be locked in 100% of the
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  time. And like that's that's really
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  tough to do when it's like people are kind of like, well,
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  you know, it's the summer, kind of kind of want to go outside.
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  I'm feeling it too. I'm not going to not even going
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  to lie. It's like I was doing raid the
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  other day. We're wiping in phase one as
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  which is the lyric experience. And I'm just like, I kind of
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  want to play Path of exile. I'm not going to lie, guys, I
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  kind of would rather be doing anything else right now.
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  But no, I mean, like we'll get through it and like we'll kind
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  of truck through. But yeah, it's it interest is
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  really difficult. I don't know if you you
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  experience the same thing ever, but.
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  Yeah, I, I definitely, there are definitely times when it's like,
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  OK, the interest is waning and just like I just don't feel like
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  logging in and you sort of shift into that raid log mentality.
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  What are some of the things that you do to to keep the team
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  focused and and dialed in when you when you could tell that
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  they're thinking about playing Poe instead of of the game?
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  Well, I was talking to one of our other officers about this
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  last night and they kind of they're, they're always like the
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  one that like reels me back in because like I'm, I'm sometimes
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  I'm a doomer, I'm not going to lie.
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  But like, I was talking to them and they're saying, well, like,
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  yeah, I could see why this might seem like people are not
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  interested, but I think it's a good sign that everyone is
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  playing together. You know, when, when we log out
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  of raid, we don't all go our separate ways.
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  It's like some of us go play arc Raiders together.
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  Some of us that were playing Path of Exile or whatever, and
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  then some of us are playing ARM, ahem, immediately.
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  And it's a great time. Everyone's having fun.
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  So it's like, Oh yeah, maybe, maybe it's not terrible that
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  we're doing other things as long as we're doing things together,
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  you know, I think that that's good.
• 15:39
  Like everyone enjoys playing, hanging out with each other.
• 15:42
  And then like also like in Raid two, my interest is is wavering
• 15:46
  a little bit, but like also, I mean, we're fourth night on
• 15:49
  Laura 160 poles deep and we're still having fun.
• 15:52
  We're joking around like the rain nights aren't miserable.
• 15:55
  I would rather be a little further than we are.
• 15:57
  But it's like as long as we're not like yelling at each other
• 16:00
  and raid like it's a good time, you know, like we're not.
• 16:04
  If we're if it was a very bad vibes, then I think that would
• 16:07
  be way worse because that's when people quit, you know, they're
• 16:09
  like, well, why am I here? I don't want to be here.
• 16:12
  This isn't fun, you know, So at least at least it's fun, you
• 16:15
  know, so we have a good time like that.
• 16:17
  Like that, that's you're that other officers.
• 16:19
  That's very astute. Like, yes, we're not playing
• 16:23
  well, but we're still together. You're still building that
• 16:26
  camaraderie. You're still like, the team is
• 16:28
  together. You're not at each other's
• 16:29
  stroke. You're not logging up, going.
• 16:30
  Oh, man, I hate Casey. Why does he get hit by a Glade
• 16:33
  every time? Yeah.
• 16:34
  Why did we make him a seed carrier?
• 16:36
  This was the worst decision ever.
• 16:38
  Yeah, it definitely, it could be really rough.
• 16:41
  But no, they're they're very intelligent.
• 16:42
  And it's like, like I said, with the Guild leader too, it's like
• 16:45
  I couldn't I couldn't do it without these people because
• 16:47
  it's just it is a lot of work to handle alone.
• 16:49
  And that that was actually the next difficulty that I had for
• 16:52
  Race to World last build that listed here is that when you
• 16:55
  start out, you're kind of going at it alone a lot of the times,
• 16:59
  at least in my experience. Maybe if you did you start your
• 17:03
  Guild from the ground up or did you like did you join into it
• 17:06
  or? No, I just so the Guild that I'm
• 17:08
  in now, I joined and they had been around for 13 years when I
• 17:12
  joined them, but that the Guild and actually Guild prior to that
• 17:14
  was I've been together for two years.
• 17:17
  I don't think I've started a Guild since Burning Crusade.
• 17:20
  Well, I mean, like, and that's that's an interesting thing too,
• 17:22
  is that like guilds don't just like spawn a lot of the times,
• 17:25
  but it's like our Guild was a classic Guild.
• 17:27
  So it had been around prior to me joining.
• 17:29
  And then when I joined it, eventually I pivoted us to
• 17:32
  retail. And I was kind of like the
• 17:33
  driving factor in doing that, which also meant that a lot of
• 17:37
  the responsibility fell on me. I was really leading Cata.
• 17:40
  There's ten of us that like the people were kind of losing
• 17:42
  interest again. And I was like, well, the only
• 17:44
  way to keep the Guild alive is we we do content that's new and
• 17:48
  the only new content is in retail.
• 17:50
  So we should go retail. That's what we play already.
• 17:51
  We did Mythic plus. And I love the drive to go to
• 17:54
  retail. And then doing that, I had to do
• 17:56
  all the recruiting. I had to do all the boss
• 17:58
  strategy. I had to like figure out like,
• 17:59
  how do we even get into Mythic, you know, and I'm doing like all
• 18:03
  this like prep to get us into it.
• 18:04
  And then like once we got into undermine, it's like I had to do
• 18:06
  all the weak auras at the time. That was huge thing.
• 18:09
  OK, we have to kill sticks, bunk drunker.
• 18:11
  How are we going to do that? You know, So like I had to do
• 18:14
  all this prep and at the time, like I was kind of doing it
• 18:17
  alone. I had the Guild leader still, he
• 18:18
  was around. But it's like when I'm the one
• 18:20
  leading the charge, I don't think he knew exactly how to
• 18:22
  help me. You know, It's like I'm, I'm
• 18:24
  kind of handling everything. But I would say that like the
• 18:27
  biggest thing at our level is that you need a friend.
• 18:29
  Like if you, if you're going at it alone, there's no way you're
• 18:33
  going to survive. I think that like sometimes you
• 18:35
  get into things with friends where it's like, Oh yeah, we're
• 18:38
  going to do this cool thing together.
• 18:39
  And then you find out one friend's doing all the work and
• 18:41
  there's like the other friends are like, Oh yeah, we're doing
• 18:43
  this cool thing together. You know, that doesn't work.
• 18:45
  Like you need to delegate, you need, you need help and yeah,
• 18:50
  you're just going to lose your mind.
• 18:51
  I think that like, at first I feel like I did a lot of heavy
• 18:53
  lifting, but like, I mean, this tier, we wouldn't be rating if
• 18:56
  we weren't for the ALEA. There's just no way.
• 18:58
  I've told him multiple times they're like, hey, I don't have
• 19:00
  an enemy to do anything right now.
• 19:01
  And he would kind of pick up and he would hit up with that a lot
• 19:04
  with that. So no, yeah, you need, you need
• 19:07
  people on your side. There's no way you can do this
• 19:09
  alone. I like that.
• 19:10
  How did you recruit people into helping you with that stuff?
• 19:15
  That's tough actually, because nobody wants to do it.
• 19:17
  That's like the right? Thing nobody wants.
• 19:19
  Nobody wants, you know, extra work for nobody.
• 19:22
  Well, yeah. And like, everyone loves to
• 19:24
  complain about things, but nobody's going to be like, the
• 19:25
  one to step up. So, I mean, when there's a
• 19:28
  problem, we kind of just like, we have a few people on the
• 19:30
  court. Like I said, the guild's been
• 19:32
  around a while and we've had a lot of people who, like, have
• 19:34
  been officers who are still around.
• 19:36
  You know, we ask them for help sometimes and like, they help
• 19:38
  out. And like we have, we have
• 19:41
  recruited officers from within and like it, it is kind of a
• 19:45
  test cuz it's like, I think that the problem is too, like we're
• 19:48
  asking for help, but we always don't know what help we need.
• 19:51
  We just know that we need it. You know, it's like, so like
• 19:54
  we're like, hey, come in, like help us out.
• 19:56
  And then the person comes in, it's like, well, we don't really
• 19:57
  give them anything to do. And then they're thinking the
• 19:59
  same thing, which is like, I don't know how to help right
• 20:01
  now. It's like, if you don't tell the
• 20:02
  person what to do, they're not going to know what to do.
• 20:04
  So also like, I think I'm prior bosses, like when the bosses are
• 20:08
  easier, there's not as much like everything's kind of going fine.
• 20:11
  You want to smooth sailing, you know.
• 20:13
  I think that it's like it's hard to tell what work there is to be
• 20:15
  done, but it's like when you really hit that wall when you're
• 20:17
  on dementias for 500 poles, when you're on Laura, that's when
• 20:21
  it's like, oh man, there's, there's stuff that can be done
• 20:23
  and people who can help with things.
• 20:24
  And I think that's where people kind of step up.
• 20:26
  So yeah, when it, when it's really hard, that's where you're
• 20:29
  going to feel who steps up and who doesn't.
• 20:30
  And you kind of just got to, you got to find the people who do
• 20:32
  and you got to hold on to them because I think that that's,
• 20:35
  that's, that's where, that's where they shine, you know?
• 20:38
  I like that. I like that going it alone.
• 20:41
  That's I think, I think a lot of raid leaders will be able to to
• 20:45
  hear that and instantly, instantly, like I can't really
• 20:50
  think of the word right now, but when they it makes sense, I feel
• 20:54
  like I'm having a stroke. There's a word when you hear a
• 20:57
  thing and it makes sense to you because you experience it.
• 21:00
  I don't know what the word is right now.
• 21:02
  I don't know, relatable. Yeah, really.
• 21:05
  There we go. That's what we're going to go
• 21:08
  with. I think you're looking for a
• 21:10
  little more difficult word, but that's.
• 21:11
  Yeah, the oysters are going to let me know afterwards in the
• 21:14
  discord. They're going to come tell me
• 21:16
  what word, what word I forgot. But what else?
• 21:18
  Is there anything else big, anything that we wouldn't expect
• 21:21
  that you have? I mean, I wrote down like
• 21:24
  there's like roster and bench management.
• 21:26
  I think that you would probably expect this to be worse for us.
• 21:30
  I'm, I'm assuming for for a lot of guilds at our level, this is
• 21:33
  pretty bad. I would say for us, it's
• 21:35
  actually not that bad. And I can maybe provide like an
• 21:37
  anecdote for that to help people.
• 21:38
  Is this is not like, I think when you have a lot of
• 21:41
  confidence in what you've created, Umm, I think it helps
• 21:45
  when people join us and they raid with us.
• 21:46
  I, I'm very confident that like this is the place you want to
• 21:50
  be, you know, like we're not elite, but it's like the people
• 21:53
  that we're bringing in. I, I, I see like the level of
• 21:56
  player that they are a lot of the times and it's like they're
• 21:58
  not like, I don't mean that in like a demeaning way.
• 22:00
  They're they're good players, but it's like a lot of people I
• 22:02
  understand, haven't they? They don't raid at a Hall of
• 22:05
  Fame level. Most of the groups they play
• 22:06
  with are bad. And when you recognize that when
• 22:09
  people come in and they see, hey, these guys are having fun,
• 22:12
  they're pretty good at the game. And it seems like they kind of
• 22:15
  kind of like they, they know what they're doing like a little
• 22:16
  bit. I think it's like, I, I'm pretty
• 22:18
  confident when people play with us and like they want to keep
• 22:20
  playing with us, you know, like this is a place people want to
• 22:23
  be. And I think that when you have
• 22:24
  that sort of mentality and like you create that culture.
• 22:27
  Yeah. Like when people join us,
• 22:29
  there's, there's not a lot of turnover, like I said.
• 22:31
  And like the people that do turnover, it's, it's never like
• 22:34
  in a bad way. I don't think people are like
• 22:35
  rage leaving our Guild or anything.
• 22:37
  So yeah, like if you yeah, to avoid turnover for us, it's kind
• 22:41
  of just like, yeah, just just have fun, you know, have a have
• 22:43
  a good community and like kind of building that a lot.
• 22:46
  And then for like the bench management, I think that that's
• 22:48
  probably the most stressful thing is like when we have a lot
• 22:51
  of people that we want to play with, it's like, OK, you can
• 22:53
  only have 20 in raid and it's like managing that.
• 22:56
  That is probably the hardest part of leading the Guild to be
• 22:58
  entirely honest, because it's like, like I said earlier, you
• 23:00
  have to make that balance where it's like, OK, we need to pick
• 23:03
  the best person for this roster and the best players are not
• 23:07
  always the best fit. Where it's like, okay, this guy
• 23:09
  maybe doesn't fit in as well. And it's like or this like this
• 23:12
  person is an important part for like the Guild culture.
• 23:14
  And it's like that's something we want to maintain.
• 23:16
  And it's like you're comparing the players and I would say that
• 23:19
  our our skill discrepancy, but within the Guild, it's like it's
• 23:22
  not too bad. Like most of our players are
• 23:23
  around the same skill level. So like sometimes we're making
• 23:25
  decisions where it's like, OK, this guy might be a slightly
• 23:27
  better player, but like this guy is going to be a lot more fun to
• 23:30
  be around. You know, it's like, I don't
• 23:31
  really know. So it's like, it's hard to say,
• 23:34
  but yeah. Those vibes matter.
• 23:37
  We, we have a cat in our Guild that I think unanimously across
• 23:41
  the board, everybody in the Guild agrees that he has the
• 23:45
  greatest talent for breaking tension and keeping things light
• 23:49
  out of anybody. And whenever he's in like it'll
• 23:52
  be whatever point of the night. Everybody has these moments in
• 23:55
  the night where it's like a really bad wipe just happened or
• 23:58
  you feel like you've hit a wall in progress and everybody's So
• 24:00
  you can sort of feel the, the frayed, frayed nerves happening.
• 24:03
  And in that moment, he'll be like our our raid leader, our
• 24:08
  raid that his name is Cindy and he calls her Sydney, but he'll
• 24:11
  he'll say Sydney and then he'll ask like the most obvious
• 24:15
  question from the prep that we've done, you know, am I
• 24:18
  supposed to push this extra action button?
• 24:20
  Well, you know, it's just like, and he obviously knows the
• 24:23
  answer, but it just the way he asks it, he actually sort of
• 24:25
  sounds like a cat even is just just it breaks attention and
• 24:29
  that that doesn't matter. Having that end does matter.
• 24:31
  Yeah, like that's what you can't because you can't manufacture
• 24:34
  that stuff. But it's like, what?
• 24:36
  I'm talking the whole night. I'm going to sound upset.
• 24:38
  I can't hide it, you know, like somebody, somebody dies.
• 24:40
  Also, as a raid leader, too, you see everything, you know, you're
• 24:42
  like, watching this guy. You're like, what is he doing?
• 24:45
  Like, yeah. And like, yeah, when you see
• 24:47
  that, it's hard for me to stay motivated because I'm like,
• 24:49
  guys, guys, come on. And yeah, having those people
• 24:51
  that are, like, going to joke around.
• 24:52
  And that's something I've tried to get a lot better at, too.
• 24:54
  Is it like when you're frustrated and people are like
• 24:57
  joking around and stuff, it's easy to get more frustrated
• 25:00
  around. Like why, why are, why are you
• 25:01
  guys goofing off? Like we're playing terrible?
• 25:03
  And it's like, that's something that I've gotten a lot better.
• 25:05
  It's being like, like you can't, you cannot kill that.
• 25:08
  You know, if they, if they're having fun, let them have fun.
• 25:11
  You try to go through it. It's like, hey, guys, we're
• 25:12
  pulling, you know, but like, I'm not, I'm not going to crash out
• 25:15
  or anything. But it's like, yeah, when the,
• 25:17
  when the vibes are good, you want to keep the vibes good.
• 25:19
  And it's like, if we're joking around but we're playing bad,
• 25:21
  that's fine because I like, we can just dial back in, you know?
• 25:24
  But like, yeah, once you kill the vibes, it is so hard to
• 25:26
  bring it back. So having those people that like
• 25:28
  are going to keep it up, you know, it's, it's important.
• 25:32
  Yeah, Do you get that disappointed dad sound?
• 25:34
  I sometimes I'll be like, OK, one of these two arrows has to
• 25:37
  hit Demi arrow. You both missed.
• 25:39
  Yeah, I, I've sighed a few times and I try not to.
• 25:43
  My brother gave me a quote that I, I, this sticks with me a lot,
• 25:47
  he says. Like when people audibly sigh,
• 25:49
  like you hear it, it feels like they are releasing their
• 25:52
  negative energy and they're giving it straight to you.
• 25:55
  Like, so yeah, I try to, I try to avoid stuff like that because
• 25:58
  like, I don't like, I don't want to be mean.
• 26:00
  I don't think I'm the type of guy to be mean.
• 26:02
  I think I, I think I have been mean.
• 26:04
  But like, I don't, I don't like that, you know, like I don't, I
• 26:07
  don't like feeling mean or like feeling like I'm bringing people
• 26:10
  down. So I try to be the person I want
• 26:12
  to be. But yeah, it's at this point a
• 26:14
  dad does kick in sometimes. I think it happens for everyone.
• 26:17
  I. Like that.
• 26:19
  That's a great quote. I'm going to, I'm stealing that.
• 26:21
  I hope that's OK. I am.
• 26:22
  Yeah, I mean, I took it from my brother.
• 26:24
  He you could take it from me. I have another good quote here
• 26:28
  from one of our Raiders too, regarding bench management that
• 26:30
  I think has been helpful for me this tier, which is if you ever
• 26:33
  like wondering about like who to bench and stuff, you're making
• 26:35
  the right decisions. Like I said, you have to make
• 26:36
  the right decision that you feel like for the Guild.
• 26:38
  But somebody told me this tier, you don't bench players, they
• 26:41
  bench themselves. And that's something that I, I
• 26:43
  kind of agree with too, where it's like, yeah, you're looking
• 26:46
  for people to like play and like people who don't play.
• 26:47
  And it's like, OK, well, this guy, guy didn't fill his vault
• 26:50
  this week. And he also is not fully
• 26:52
  upgraded yet. He doesn't have sockets or
• 26:53
  something. This is an extreme example.
• 26:55
  Nobody in our rates like this. But like, yeah, like if they're
• 26:58
  not putting in as much effort as somebody else, it's like, yeah,
• 27:00
  you got to take the guy who's putting in more effort because
• 27:03
  you have to like, kind of you have to facilitate the culture.
• 27:05
  It's like, what culture do we want to have in the Guild?
• 27:07
  Do we want to have a culture of people who don't put in the
• 27:10
  effort and don't keep up? Or do we want to be like, hey,
• 27:13
  like doing these things is important to us, you know?
• 27:14
  And it's like, you don't necessarily.
• 27:16
  I don't think you need to draw a hard line, but like the people
• 27:19
  that you recruit and the culture that you keep is like that's the
• 27:22
  community that you create. So yeah, I think that's kind of
• 27:25
  a good way to look at it. Let's talk with it.
• 27:27
  We keep mentioning culture. We keep bringing it up.
• 27:30
  How do you do that? How do you build this culture of
• 27:31
  success? Is there anything you actively
• 27:33
  do to make sure that your culture stays safe?
• 27:37
  So just to preface this, I don't feel like I'm particularly good
• 27:40
  at this, by the way. Like I think I'm, I think I'm
• 27:41
  doing it and I think I'm figuring it out as I go.
• 27:43
  But like, I don't think I'm, I'm like a guru or anything, which
• 27:47
  is why a lot of the times, like in my videos when I talk about
• 27:49
  it, it's like, hey guys, like this is how I feel.
• 27:52
  But like I'm this is not a guide, you know, like I said,
• 27:57
  take, take bits and pieces, you know, But yeah, it depends on
• 28:00
  who you ask in the guilt. Maybe, maybe some people say I
• 28:02
  do a pretty good job. Maybe some people say they're
• 28:04
  upset. I don't know.
• 28:06
  But I think you want to have fun, but you want to get better.
• 28:09
  That's my take, and I think both are very important at our level
• 28:13
  anyway. But being bad isn't fun.
• 28:16
  So if you're bad, you're not having a very good time.
• 28:19
  Being bad is relative, by the way.
• 28:20
  So for us at this point in time, we're progging Laura and we're
• 28:24
  dying to glaze and stuff. That feels bad to me right now.
• 28:27
  But like also like feeling bad for somebody might be like, oh,
• 28:31
  we're on Paladins and we're dying to Shields or something.
• 28:33
  You know, it's like that like that.
• 28:34
  That's different levels. You know, if that's the hardest
• 28:36
  boss that you thought that's the hardest boss, you thought you're
• 28:37
  there, you know, so being bad is relative.
• 28:40
  But if you're probably in the tier for like 20-3 weeks
• 28:43
  straight for me and you're wiping to the like the same
• 28:46
  mistakes and stuff, especially if they feel really silly,
• 28:49
  there's just so much pressure to like meet your goals that it's
• 28:51
  like, you know, I feel like once you get that late in the tier,
• 28:55
  I'm like, I'm not having fun anymore.
• 28:57
  Also, it becomes harder to recruit later in the tier
• 29:00
  because it's like everyone's kind of like burnt out.
• 29:02
  They're like, I kind of want to quit the game.
• 29:04
  There are some people who are like late in the tier, like I
• 29:06
  want to kill Laura still. But like it just things become
• 29:09
  more difficult as time goes on. People lose interest, like I
• 29:11
  said, And then people start pointing fingers when they're
• 29:13
  frustrated. So it's like you end up in this
• 29:15
  situation where it's like, OK, we want to have fun, but we're
• 29:18
  really bad. And now people are angry and
• 29:20
  it's like, OK, you have to at some point prioritize being good
• 29:24
  at our level anywhere. That's that's what we're
• 29:26
  feeling. But also getting better isn't
• 29:28
  always fun, where it's like, OK, and we have to hold people
• 29:31
  accountable. And I think that's really
• 29:34
  difficult to do when you're like, friends with everybody,
• 29:36
  especially if, like, people are kind of like, grandfathered in.
• 29:38
  If you have like older members in the Guild where it's like,
• 29:40
  well, you've never called anybody out before and now you
• 29:43
  start doing it, it's like, well, OK, hold on, Buster.
• 29:45
  You know, you also have to like, you just have to make
• 29:49
  sacrifices. You know, like we raid twice a
• 29:52
  week and like, I don't know, there are things that I'd like
• 29:54
  to do on Tuesday, Thursday sometimes that are not Wow.
• 29:57
  And it's like, you got to do it. You know, that's I have to be
• 29:59
  there every single raid. And you have to put in the work
• 30:02
  outside a raid. You have to fill those vaults.
• 30:04
  You have to gear your character right now, like start of the
• 30:06
  season, especially like you have to run so much mythic plus just
• 30:09
  to keep up and like get your character geared.
• 30:10
  And we're a Tuesday, Thursday Guild, which means that on
• 30:13
  Tuesday we're going in and we're not geared at all.
• 30:15
  Like this first Tuesday was actually really rough.
• 30:18
  It's, it's really disheartening. You go in on Tuesday and you
• 30:21
  have fun on the raid. It's like we killed 2 heroic
• 30:22
  bosses. And you like look at like a
• 30:24
  Guild on Wednesday and it's like they go in five item level
• 30:27
  higher than you and they kill like 4 heroic bosses like
• 30:29
  easily. And I'm like, what?
• 30:31
  Like you could do that. So, you know, I, yeah, I, I
• 30:35
  think that like getting better isn't always fun, but also being
• 30:38
  bad isn't funny either. So it's like you have to, you
• 30:40
  have to find that balance in between.
• 30:43
  I like that there is a huge difference.
• 30:45
  I I used to be in a Tuesday raid Guild.
• 30:47
  I don't think I'll ever go back to rating on Tuesday.
• 30:48
  That's insanity. We get servers that are pushed
• 30:51
  to come up. It's the worst.
• 30:52
  Yeah, we do. We are Thursday, Sunday, right
• 30:55
  now. The EU Guild that I, I'm in, I
• 30:59
  don't raid with them, but I'm in, they raid Saturday, Sunday.
• 31:02
  And it's just like, I don't know, having shifting off of
• 31:05
  that Tuesday just feels so nice to give you that day to breathe
• 31:08
  and just let let Blizzard figure out whatever potential bugs or
• 31:13
  new features, unintended features we might get.
• 31:17
  No, we, we've been talking about that this year a lot because
• 31:20
  just like, yeah, there's so many issues with beyond the the first
• 31:23
  day thing where you're like lower year level.
• 31:25
  Now this happens every week by the way.
• 31:27
  You feel it the most in the first week, but every week after
• 31:30
  that we are always at a lower item level.
• 31:32
  Then I go to the rates Sunday, Monday, just like flat out, you
• 31:34
  know, people don't always have time to log in after work to go
• 31:38
  get their upgrades or whatever. They have to go upgrade their
• 31:41
  their things run 5 dungeons or whatever we did.
• 31:44
  I did like 100 ritual sites that first day and I was like trying
• 31:48
  to. Avoid course.
• 31:49
  Yeah and just to like upgrade my weapon.
• 31:51
  I didn't even get it I don't think.
• 31:52
  Maybe I got 1 before raid but it is ridiculous.
• 31:56
  Yeah, you. Love ritual sites, are they the
• 31:58
  most fun content? You've ever done the best
• 32:00
  content in the game, man. Yeah, the ritual sites there,
• 32:03
  they're OK. Like, I don't know.
• 32:05
  But we actually, we had a lot of fun with it actually, I'm not
• 32:08
  going to lie. There's fun in everything.
• 32:10
  By the way, if if you take one thing away from this, this talk
• 32:13
  there is fun in absolutely everything.
• 32:15
  If you find it, you have to have be with the right people.
• 32:17
  But we did our ritual sites and the way that we did it is we had
• 32:21
  we had four of us and we were speed running and we had two of
• 32:24
  us go to the left and we had two of us go to the right.
• 32:26
  And whoever killed the three guys first, we were like, we
• 32:28
  were kind of like amped up on. I was like, yeah, we got it.
• 32:30
  You know, it's we were having a really good time.
• 32:33
  Yeah. And like, I don't know, we, we
• 32:34
  killed 2 hours running ritual sites or something.
• 32:37
  And like, it was a really good time.
• 32:38
  I enjoyed it. And now if I, if I was doing
• 32:40
  that every single day, I don't think I would enjoy it.
• 32:42
  But like, you know, for like the time period, you know, you can,
• 32:44
  you can make things fun. We, we did endeavours during the
• 32:48
  pre patch. We were, we did so many
• 32:50
  endeavours back when like they were like really difficult to
• 32:53
  level up. You did not get a lot of XP for
• 32:54
  those things. I think that we were flying
• 32:56
  around like one of the Dragonflight zones.
• 32:58
  I, I forget like the underground area, but like we were just like
• 33:01
  collecting herbs and stuff to get like 10 points at a time and
• 33:04
  like we were having a good time doing that, you know?
• 33:06
  So yeah, there's fun everywhere. You just have to find it.
• 33:10
  But yeah, I forgot what I was talking about before that.
• 33:13
  But you know, I got, I got a little, little rant there.
• 33:17
  It's fun. You're just talking with the
• 33:18
  fun. It's snuck in there.
• 33:21
  You haven't. You haven't mentioned your
• 33:22
  guilds name yet. I don't know, maybe you don't
• 33:24
  want to, but I'd love to know the Guild name so that we can
• 33:26
  track your progress and cheer alongside you as it's happening.
• 33:30
  So the Guild is Rad R capital R capital R space capital A space
• 33:36
  capital D in classic, it was just rad RADI.
• 33:40
  Don't know why we changed it. I think it's because on area 52,
• 33:42
  I think rad was already taken. But yeah, no, I think I think
• 33:47
  it's a fitting name for us. I I, I mean, it's the best goal
• 33:51
  I've ever been in. So I don't really do it.
• 33:53
  But if you guys are looking for us, you want to follow along.
• 33:57
  I I do stream our Prague. I I will say that I mean like
• 34:00
  it's from this talk to like I'm not always in a great mood.
• 34:05
  I try to be in a good mood, but I was like, I don't know if I
• 34:07
  sound disappointed like it just does.
• 34:09
  This is the raid environment. I'm trying to, I'm trying to
• 34:11
  keep it up. I don't think I'm mean.
• 34:12
  But I also don't really reply to chat because I feel like, I feel
• 34:15
  like I'm like focused on the raid, you know, if you're raid
• 34:17
  leaders like talking to chat, it's like, what are we doing?
• 34:19
  You know? So yeah, but.
• 34:22
  I like that. Let's talk a little bit about
• 34:23
  that before we wrap up your your journey.
• 34:25
  So you decided to share this journey on YouTube to help.
• 34:28
  But you know, like you said, give us a voice that we don't
• 34:30
  really see a lot of. What's the end goal?
• 34:32
  What happens as RAD keeps climbing in ranks?
• 34:34
  Will we eventually be watching that?
• 34:36
  The big old bucket of water Hall of Fame channel.
• 34:39
  I think like, so we're so far away that are like talking about
• 34:42
  Hall of Fame sounds like kind of ridiculous.
• 34:44
  You know, our goal this tier was to get better.
• 34:47
  And I think that like, we had a lot of difficulties with goal
• 34:49
  alignment this last year and like figuring out what we want.
• 34:52
  And like, I feel like this tier has kind of opened my eyes a
• 34:54
  little bit more to like, oh, this year we wanted to get
• 34:56
  better. And then what does that mean?
• 34:58
  And like eventually we found out that means pushing world rank
• 35:00
  like a little bit. So right now what I want to do
• 35:04
  is I want to kill Laura hopefully in the next 3 or 4
• 35:06
  weeks and then like be done with that.
• 35:08
  I think Hall of Fame could be in the cards if we got like a
• 35:11
  little bit better. You know, we're pretty far away,
• 35:13
  but I think that would be cool. But for the most part, like with
• 35:17
  the channel, I'm just trying to make cool videos and like talk
• 35:19
  about interesting things, you know, and like if people can
• 35:22
  follow along and they can like you can be helpful to people.
• 35:24
  Part of the reason I created the channel is because like I said,
• 35:26
  there's not a lot of resources available.
• 35:28
  You have the raid leader exchange, you have some like one
• 35:30
  off YouTube videos you can go find, but like there's nobody
• 35:33
  like telling you how to do this. And that was kind of like a
• 35:35
  frustrating thing for me where it's like I'm experiencing this
• 35:38
  thing that radar IO is telling me 1000 other guilds are
• 35:41
  experiencing and nobody's talking about it.
• 35:44
  And I'm like, OK, well, maybe somebody should talk about it.
• 35:46
  Somebody should open that discussion.
• 35:47
  So I'm not the first person to talk about it on YouTube.
• 35:50
  Like I said, there's there's there's other channels and stuff
• 35:52
  that you can kind of tune into, But like for the most part, I
• 35:54
  think there should be more people talking about these
• 35:56
  things, maybe not in guide format, but like talk about what
• 35:59
  you're experiencing, the things that you're going through,
• 36:01
  because like it is relatable. A lot of people experience that.
• 36:05
  A lot of people are playing the game and doing raid content.
• 36:08
  And I think that like, yeah, I think mythic boss is the only
• 36:12
  thing that's highlighted. And Wow, when it's like what I
• 36:14
  love is reading. I, I love, I love reading.
• 36:15
  I love running the Guild and playing together and progressing
• 36:18
  these bosses. I find that the most
• 36:19
  interesting. So I wanted to kind of make
• 36:21
  more. I love that.
• 36:21
  It's absolutely my favorite channel for this level of play.
• 36:25
  Like it's 100% if you are listening to this and you're in
• 36:28
  the same situation or you're used to be in that situation or
• 36:30
  you aspire to be in that situation, I definitely
• 36:34
  recommend following the channel, watching it.
• 36:36
  We're gonna get to those plugs in a second because it is.
• 36:39
  It's good to know it's good also for people that are a different
• 36:43
  area, like having the perspective.
• 36:45
  How are other people experiencing the game?
• 36:47
  Like you said there's 1000 of the guilds experience but nobody
• 36:49
  talks about. It's just like the biggest
• 36:50
  gaslight ever. It's like you race the world
• 36:53
  first, or your Hall of Fame or you just don't exist.
• 36:55
  Yeah, well, it's crazy. Like the numbers on radar IO
• 36:59
  too. Then I go there and I see that
• 37:01
  it's like, yeah, there's 1000 guilds above me and I'm like,
• 37:03
  where are they? Like, like it's, it's crazy to
• 37:07
  think that they all exist and there's there's a thousand other
• 37:10
  communities just like us who probably feel the same way where
• 37:13
  it's like, dude, these are the this is the best like Guild I've
• 37:16
  ever been a part of. It is like I've I just never you
• 37:18
  never meet them. Like sometimes you join a pug
• 37:21
  and that's something that actually I, I for for what
• 37:24
  rating content is I really enjoyed watching like Max's like
• 37:27
  undercover raid leader series. Because if you ever see those,
• 37:30
  these videos, he hops in with these people and these other
• 37:33
  guilds. He he goes undercover and he'll,
• 37:34
  he'll just pug with like a Guild and he'll join Discord comes
• 37:37
  with these guys and they are always the funniest people
• 37:40
  you've ever seen in your life. And it's like, that's not
• 37:43
  unique. That is every Guild I've ever
• 37:46
  pugged with. You join in and they just say
• 37:47
  the most ridiculous things. And it is, it is like it's
• 37:50
  objectively hilarious. And it's like, I want more of
• 37:53
  that, that that's what I want to see more of that because I think
• 37:55
  that, yeah, you see these different communities and how
• 37:59
  they function. It is funny.
• 38:00
  It's a really good time. So I love that stuff.
• 38:03
  Yeah, it's absolutely. Well, I was watching.
• 38:06
  I don't catch a lot of his live streams.
• 38:07
  What I do see is YouTube stuff. There was one of his last
• 38:09
  YouTube videos that they do clips.
• 38:11
  He was watching one of your videos on stream.
• 38:14
  He he has reacted to it a little bit, which has been really cool
• 38:17
  for us. We've definitely like some of
• 38:18
  the members in our Guild have gotten the kick out of this.
• 38:20
  I did write this down to be clear.
• 38:22
  I think it's probably objectively a bad call for me to
• 38:25
  maybe making YouTube videos about our Guild.
• 38:28
  I I think that like I didn't start making videos like for the
• 38:31
  Guild. It wasn't like, oh, I'm going to
• 38:33
  put us on the map or anything. You know, it's, I think it adds
• 38:36
  like a whole new layer to the Guild that people have to
• 38:38
  navigate where it's like, oh, I hope I don't get like put in a
• 38:40
  video or something, you know, But I think that some people
• 38:44
  find it cool. Some people probably find it
• 38:45
  obnoxious. It does have it's pros and cons.
• 38:47
  So like, for example, a lot of people are like messaging us.
• 38:49
  They're like, I want to join your Guild and I'm like, you
• 38:51
  don't know anything about us, but like, thank you.
• 38:54
  But yeah, lots of people have gotten kicked out of like
• 38:57
  watching Max Reactor and stuff. I do think that like it has been
• 39:01
  an interesting way to kind of communicate like goals and stuff
• 39:03
  and where my head's at. So hopefully, if anything, maybe
• 39:06
  that's a positive where it's like, I think that like, how do
• 39:10
  you get somebody aligned under the same goals?
• 39:11
  You know, it's like, you could, you could post a big Discord
• 39:13
  message, you have a Guild meeting.
• 39:15
  There's a couple of ways that you can do it.
• 39:16
  Weirdly enough, me talking about my thoughts, maybe it helps
• 39:19
  people just be like, Oh yeah, that's how he feels.
• 39:20
  And maybe maybe it helps motivate some people, might help
• 39:23
  demotivate some people where they're like, Oh yeah, he's kind
• 39:25
  of disappointed right now, you know, like, but like, yeah, for
• 39:29
  the most part, I, I hope it's net neutral.
• 39:32
  You know, this guy is kind of the thing.
• 39:33
  But no, I, I have fun making the videos and it was a good way for
• 39:36
  me to kind of like express myself is kind of what was a
• 39:39
  nice thing. So.
• 39:40
  Yeah, it's, it's good transparency, right.
• 39:42
  So like it, I could see it being helpful in, in, in either of
• 39:45
  those situations, whether somebody sees it and they think,
• 39:47
  oh, that those are his goals. I agree with that.
• 39:50
  I'm going to double down and, you know, push and align myself
• 39:53
  with that. Or if somebody watches a video
• 39:55
  and thinks this is not what I want, yeah, at all, then they
• 39:59
  they can leave, they can move on, they can step down for the
• 40:02
  right team, you know what I mean?
• 40:03
  If they realize. Where you're headed and and the
• 40:05
  goals you have aligned aren't for that.
• 40:07
  I think that's healthy in both regards.
• 40:09
  I think having everybody aligned on the same target is is very
• 40:11
  important. Well, I I said too, like if
• 40:15
  people don't like, yeah, if, if people don't want what I want,
• 40:19
  if that's like the majority consensus and the Guild that's
• 40:21
  like, I am comfortable just like taking a step back because I do,
• 40:24
  I do way too much work right now for like to be like making
• 40:27
  people do things they don't want to do.
• 40:28
  So I'm like, OK, yeah, if we don't want to do this, like I'll
• 40:30
  just, I'll just rate, I'll just show up.
• 40:31
  And like, I, I love the community.
• 40:32
  Like I'll stick around. But it's like, yeah, if somebody
• 40:35
  else wants to do it, like they can do it, you know?
• 40:37
  But if we're doing what I want to do, this is what I want to
• 40:40
  do, you know, so that that's the sort of thing.
• 40:42
  But yeah. And I think I, I do think you
• 40:46
  provide it's because, you know, like you mentioned, you know,
• 40:50
  you're a little bit nervous asking questions in the radiator
• 40:52
  exchange. You're, you're not alone in
• 40:54
  that, right? That's that's the thing.
• 40:56
  I think a lot of people, a lot of us walk around all day
• 40:58
  thinking like, I'm the only person experiencing this and
• 41:01
  nobody else understands. But you're, you're going on
• 41:04
  YouTube and you're like expressing these feelings and
• 41:06
  expressing these thoughts and, and explaining what it's like to
• 41:08
  be in your situation. And I, I mean, I, you could
• 41:12
  probably throw a dart and a board and, and, and not miss,
• 41:15
  you know, every other raid lead in that thousand Guild range has
• 41:19
  felt that way or feels that way now.
• 41:20
  Yeah. And seeing somebody else say, it
• 41:22
  could be like, oh, I'm not, I'm not the only one who feels this.
• 41:25
  Way well, and that's part of what I wanted to do with the
• 41:27
  videos too, where it's like I, I, I want to be a little bit
• 41:30
  more raw with it where it's like I like I'm feeling real emotions
• 41:34
  and like they're not always good.
• 41:36
  You know, sometimes you, you have a really bad raid night and
• 41:39
  it gets me down and I'm like, and I gonna go on a video and
• 41:42
  I'm like, I'm not gonna put people on blast, but I'll be
• 41:44
  like, hey, like we had a rough night, you know, and like, I'm
• 41:47
  kind of disappointed, but I'm trying to look at the positives.
• 41:49
  Like, like we did this thing while I learned this thing, you
• 41:52
  know, and like, I don't know, I, I, there's definitely like, I
• 41:55
  think there's people that maybe watch the videos and they, they
• 41:57
  don't like them. But like, for the most part, I'm
• 41:59
  just trying to like, I'm trying to be a real person.
• 42:01
  You know, I'm a real guy who runs the Guild.
• 42:02
  I, I'm experiencing real things that a lot of other people are
• 42:05
  going through. And it's like, I just want
• 42:06
  people to have somebody to connect to.
• 42:08
  And if some people don't relate to that, that's fine.
• 42:10
  But for the people that do, hopefully it's, it's, it's
• 42:12
  beneficial for them to know that like, hey, you're not alone.
• 42:14
  Like there's, there's a lot of people going through this.
• 42:18
  I like that. I'm a real guy.
• 42:19
  I'm a real guy. Yeah.
• 42:23
  That's what isn't what Anakin says when she says you're a
• 42:26
  slave and he says no, I'm a person.
• 42:27
  That's it. I'm a person.
• 42:28
  No, I'm a person. Man, I'm gonna really disappoint
• 42:30
  you. But I I'm, I'm not a huge Star
• 42:32
  Wars guy. I haven't seen too much of it.
• 42:34
  That's OK. That's that's for me.
• 42:36
  That's that's for me. You're not missing anything.
• 42:40
  It's if you weren't born in the early 1980's, the best is behind
• 42:45
  you. Is the new mandalorian out?
• 42:47
  Is a Mandalorian something movie?
• 42:49
  Yeah, Mandalorian and Grogu is out.
• 42:51
  I haven't seen. I'm I'm not a huge fan of most
• 42:54
  of the the television shows. Oh, OK, it is out and it's
• 42:58
  currently getting dummied in the box office by Obsession and the
• 43:01
  backgrounds. Yeah, good.
• 43:03
  Obsession is if you haven't seen, this has nothing to do
• 43:05
  with the show. I saw your we're gonna rap in a
• 43:06
  second. But if you haven't seen
• 43:08
  Obsession, it's so good. Oh definitely gonna see it.
• 43:11
  Yeah, it's amazing. We're we're going to wrap down
• 43:13
  want to be Congress in your time.
• 43:15
  Casey, I want to thank you so much for taking the time to talk
• 43:17
  to us today. And can you tell our listeners
• 43:19
  where they can find you? Yeah, I'm this is going to be
• 43:22
  tough. I'm big old bucket of water on
• 43:25
  YouTube. That's I'm not going to spell it
• 43:28
  out, but well, maybe I should. I, I don't know.
• 43:31
  It's a lot. The link The link will be in the
• 43:33
  description. But I'm also on Twitter, Yeah,
• 43:37
  some of that tweet things you can you guys can find me there X
• 43:39
  the everything app. But yeah, that's the yeah, I
• 43:43
  make YouTube videos. Sometimes I stream.
• 43:44
  The links are all there on the YouTube though.
• 43:46
  If you if you go there, I think that's the best place to be.
• 43:48
  You stream to Twitch as well or just to YouTube?
• 43:50
  I stream to twitch, YouTube, I just like I don't really know if
• 43:54
  it affects the channel or anything so I just I just do
• 43:56
  twitch but I probably should stream to YouTube.
• 43:57
  I agree when you stream. So here's a little inside
• 44:00
  baseball. When you stream to YouTube, it
• 44:02
  shows up in your subscribers feeds as a new video.
• 44:05
  But anybody who subscribed to you just for your videos will
• 44:07
  see every time you go live and they'll go and click.
• 44:10
  Instead of being a a 1015 minute video, it's a four hour VOD and
• 44:14
  it's the most triggering thing. I have unsubscribed from
• 44:16
  channels because of it. I hate it.
• 44:18
  Yeah, I, it's funny because I I watch all of my streams on
• 44:21
  YouTube. I actually hate Twitch.
• 44:23
  It's just gotta drop that, right?
• 44:25
  Yeah, I hate Twitch, but like, yeah, I don't know if I, if I'm
• 44:29
  going to stream somewhere, I think the chat experience I
• 44:32
  think is better on Twitch. I don't know, It's it's kind of
• 44:34
  my logic, but no, yeah, catch me on YouTube.
• 44:39
  Definitely give Casey a follow. Go watch his videos, like,
• 44:42
  subscribe, comment for the algorithm and enjoy that
• 44:46
  content. Casey, thank you for being here
• 44:48
  listeners, thank you for being here and we'll see you next
• 44:50
  time. Until then, may all your hits be
• 44:53
  crits.