Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / Serial Killer Israel Keyes 'Broke His Own Rule,' Lost Control
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- 0:00Speaker 1: You know when you suggested this whole deep dive on Israel, Keys,
- 0:05I gotta say I knew the name, but I didn't
- 0:07realize just how deep this would go. This isn't like
- 0:09our usual true crime case. This is like going way
- 0:12down the rabbit hole, you know.
- 0:14Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right on the money with that. I mean,
- 0:16we're talking about a guy who wasn't content with just
- 0:19you know, murder, robbery's arson, you name it. Keys was
- 0:22into it. And the creepiest part is he was flying
- 0:26under the radar doing all this for over a decade. Yeah,
- 0:29building this whole normal guy facade while he's out there.
- 0:32Speaker 1: That's what gets me. You know, we always think of
- 0:35these criminals, especially the really bad ones, as like these
- 0:37messed up loaners. But Keys just throws that out the window.
- 0:40Speaker 2: He really does. And to get how he pulled it off,
- 0:42we get to rewind a bit, go back to his childhood.
- 0:45Not saying it's the only reason or anything, but there's
- 0:47no denying it was messed up.
- 0:48Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned his upbringing being super isolated. What was
- 0:51so strange about where he grew up? You think it
- 0:53really affected him that much?
- 0:55Speaker 2: Okay, picture this. Keyes spent a chunk of his childhood
- 1:00way out in Washington State, right, huge family, and they
- 1:04were all about this hardcore religious thing. And I'm not
- 1:06talking to your average church group here. This was some
- 1:09serious anti government, white supremacist stuff. Really warped their whole worldview,
- 1:15you know.
- 1:16Speaker 1: Intent. So it wasn't just religion, it was like this
- 1:18whole environment.
- 1:20Speaker 2: I guess exactly. It was everything all the time. And
- 1:23then you add in the constant.
- 1:24Speaker 1: Violence, right, hunting, and all that hunting was.
- 1:26Speaker 2: Just the start. I mean, Keys himself admitted to some
- 1:30seriously messed up stuff with animals when he was a kid,
- 1:33skinned deer alive as a teenager. I call that up
- 1:35seriously dead serious. Now, to be clear, doesn't mean it's
- 1:39a one to one cause and effect. Right, You've got
- 1:41to wonder how much that stuff desensitized him, made violence normal.
- 1:45You know, most people will be horrified, but.
- 1:47Speaker 1: For him, just another Tuesday. It's chillin' man. To think
- 1:51he was already so detached as a kid makes you
- 1:53wonder if he's even capable of empathy. But then there's
- 1:56the whole military thing.
- 1:58Speaker 2: Don't get me started. That's the part that really he
- 2:00throws me for a loop. Here's this guy serving his
- 2:03country honorably discharged in two thousand and all the while
- 2:08he might have already been knee deep in criminal activity.
- 2:11Talk about leading a double life.
- 2:12Speaker 1: It's mind blowing. Right. You read accounts from other soldiers
- 2:15and they're like, yeah, quiet guy, maybe kept to himself
- 2:17a bit, nothing out of the ordinary, zero indication of
- 2:20the darkness underneath.
- 2:21Speaker 2: It just goes to show how good he was at compartmentalizing,
- 2:24at putting on this act. And I don't even think
- 2:26he was acting, not really. I think he fully believed it,
- 2:29you know, convinced everyone he was just an average joe. Meanwhile,
- 2:32he's meticulously planning and executing crimes, getting bolder each time,
- 2:36which leads.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Us to how he actually pulled those crimes off his
- 2:39mo Right, what was it about Keys's approach that made
- 2:42him such a tough nut to crack for law enforcement?
- 2:45Speaker 2: It was like he was playing by his own set
- 2:46of rules, totally random. Unlike most serial killers who go
- 2:50after a certain type, Keys didn't discriminate man, woman, old, young,
- 2:55didn't matter to him. He chose his victims like he
- 2:58was throwing darts at a map, completely random, making it
- 3:01nearly impossible to connect the dots.
- 3:03Speaker 1: And it's not just the random victims, right, it's the
- 3:05lengths this guy went to, paying cash for everything, or
- 3:08burn her phones, always thinking ahead. But you know what
- 3:11really gets under my skin. The murder kits.
- 3:13Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Those murder kits were straight out of a nightmare.
- 3:16Buckets full of weapons, tools, even draino, and he would
- 3:20bury them close to where he was planning to do
- 3:22the deed. Sometimes get this years beforehand.
- 3:25Speaker 1: Talk about chilling right to think about that level of planning,
- 3:28that cold blooded calculation. What does that say about his
- 3:31mental state.
- 3:32Speaker 2: It's like he needed to control every little thing, eliminate
- 3:35any chance of a screw up. This wasn't some crime
- 3:38of passion, no way. This was pure calculated evil.
- 3:41Speaker 1: And the fact that he was targeting people randomly all
- 3:44over the country just makes it even scarier. It's like
- 3:47nobody was safe. It could have been anyone anywhere at
- 3:49any time, like some messed up game he was playing.
- 3:52Speaker 2: And here's the worst part. We might never know how
- 3:55many people he actually hurt. I mean, yeah, he was
- 3:58caught and confessed to some murders. William and Lorraine Courier
- 4:02in Vermont and Samantha conig in Alaska, but he implied
- 4:07there were others, lots of others, victims whose stories we
- 4:11might never hear.
- 4:12Speaker 1: See. That's what makes this whole thing so unsettling. You
- 4:15have those confirmed victims and their stories are absolutely tragic,
- 4:18But then there are all these other potential victims, like
- 4:20that possible link to the triple homicide in boker Raton, Florida.
- 4:25What's the deal with that one?
- 4:27Speaker 2: Okay, So Keys was connected to this bank robbery in
- 4:29Boca happened just a few days before. A couple and
- 4:32their housekeepers are found dead in their home, same area.
- 4:35Keys was there at the time, and his violence seemed
- 4:37to be.
- 4:37Speaker 1: Escalating, so definitely got their attention.
- 4:39Speaker 2: Definitely, Investigators are definitely looking at him for that one man.
- 4:43Speaker 1: So we have these confirmed cases, all these hints at
- 4:46other victims, and then Keys takes the easy way out
- 4:50in prison suicide, takes his secrets with him. It's almost
- 4:54too much, you know.
- 4:55Speaker 2: Yeah, it's heavy stuff, But we got to remember, for
- 4:57all his planning, Key slipped up. He was human made mistakes.
- 5:02Speaker 1: And one of those mistakes kind of ironic considering how
- 5:05careful he usually was involved. Samantha Koenig's ATM card Bingo.
- 5:10Speaker 2: After he killed Samantha, he used her ATM card a
- 5:13bunch of times, left a trail across state lines. That
- 5:17and the description of his car finally gave law enforcement
- 5:20something to work with. Put out a bilo on him.
- 5:22Speaker 1: And that bilo is what led to his arrest, pulled
- 5:25over in Texas for a busted taylight. It's crazy, right,
- 5:28this guy, so careful, so meticulous, brought down by something
- 5:32so small.
- 5:33Speaker 2: It's like they say pride comes before the fall, right. Yeah,
- 5:36he started getting cocky, thought he was invincible and that's
- 5:39all it took.
- 5:39Speaker 1: So they arrest him. They're building the case, and then
- 5:42he tries to escape from prison. It's like he couldn't
- 5:45stand not being in control anymore, even locked up exactly.
- 5:48Speaker 2: And when the escape fell apart, he went for the
- 5:50ultimate act of control suicide.
- 5:53Speaker 1: It blows my mind, you know, the sky, so careful,
- 5:57so obsessed with having everything just so, and he ends
- 6:00up taking his own life. Just doesn't add up.
- 6:03Speaker 2: It was like his final screw you to the world. Yeah,
- 6:06he couldn't control being caught, but he could control how
- 6:09it ended, and taking all those secrets with him. That
- 6:13was just icing on the cake. I mean, we have
- 6:15his confessions, yeah, but he hints it that way more
- 6:18leaves everyone trying to piece together a puzzle that might
- 6:21never be finished.
- 6:22Speaker 1: And that's the haunting part.
- 6:24Speaker 2: Right.
- 6:24Speaker 1: We know about the confirmed victims, but then there are
- 6:27all these question marks, all these missing people who might
- 6:30have been as victims but will never know for sure.
- 6:33Speaker 2: It's crucial to remember those folks, the family still searching,
- 6:36still grieving, never getting closure. It's gotta be the worst
- 6:40part of Key's legacy, you know, than not knowing totally.
- 6:43Speaker 1: For every case they closed, there are tons that just
- 6:46go cold, leaves those families in limbo, stuck with unanswered
- 6:50questions forever, and.
- 6:51Speaker 2: It gets worse. Keys wasn't just some lone wolf cooking
- 6:53up these horrible plans on his own. He was digging
- 6:56into other serial killers, studying them, Bundy especially.
- 7:00Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bundy thing kept popping up in my research too.
- 7:03What was it about Bundy that fascinated Keys so much?
- 7:06Was it the meticulous planning, how he could charm his victims,
- 7:10or was it something even darker, like some twisted brotherhood.
- 7:14Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, right, Yeah, Criminologists and psychologists
- 7:17are still scratching their heads over that one. But there's
- 7:20no doubt Key saw himself as part of that world,
- 7:23the Big Leagues of killers. He even said he related
- 7:26to this character from a Dean Koon's book, a serial
- 7:29killer who stalks and kills his victims, super creepy.
- 7:33Speaker 1: It's like he was trying to outdo them, to be
- 7:34the most shocking, most meticulous killer out there. Wanted to
- 7:38make his mark on history, even if it was in
- 7:40the worst way possible.
- 7:41Speaker 2: And you know what, he kind of did, no clear motive,
- 7:44crimes scattered all over it adds to the mystery, makes
- 7:48it almost impossible to forget.
- 7:49Speaker 1: I'll say the whole thing is the stuff of nightmares.
- 7:52Someone so calculated, so cold blooded, and yet they could
- 7:56blend in act totally normal, makes you wonder who you
- 7:58can really trust.
- 8:00Speaker 2: It does. Key's case, just throws it in our faces.
- 8:04Evil doesn't always wear a scary mask, right. It can
- 8:07be hiding right next to us, looking just like everyone else.
- 8:10That's what makes it so terrifying, exactly.
- 8:12Speaker 1: So, here's the question that keeps me up at night.
- 8:14Are there more people like Keys out there right now?
- 8:18Just living their lives? Blending in. But with these horrific secrets.
- 8:23Speaker 2: It's scary to think about, but we have to. You know,
- 8:27what Keys did is a wake up call. Can't get complacent,
- 8:29can't just assume we know someone. The line between good
- 8:32and evil thinner than we think.
- 8:35Speaker 1: No doubt. So if we're taking away one thing from
- 8:36this whole deep dive, let it be this knowledge is power.
- 8:40The more we understand what makes guys like Keys tick,
- 8:42how they operate, the better chance we have of spotting
- 8:45the red flags, maybe even stopping the next Keys before
- 8:47it's too late.
- 8:48Speaker 2: Couldn't have said it better myself.
- 8:49Speaker 1: And to everyone listening, thanks for joining us for this
- 8:52chilling look inside the mind of a truly terrifying criminal.
- 8:56The case of Israel Keys might be full of unanswered questions,
- 8:59loose ends that I'll never be tied up, but one
- 9:01thing's for sure. It shows as the dark side of
- 9:04human nature. How someone can seem so normal on the
- 9:06surface but have a world of darkness underneath. Makes you
- 9:10think twice about this every day encounters, doesn't it