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Welcome to Barbara Cuts, Beats and Bars.
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We're a father and daughter music podcast that slices into
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some of the greatest albums, one cut at a time.
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With no industry ties or formal training, just a shared love of
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music, we explore albums across genres, rating favorites and
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skips while digging into what makes each one iconic.
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I bring the beats. And I bring the bars and
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together we deliver real talk and fresh takes from both sides
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of the sound. Hey everybody, I'm Riley.
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I'm Todd and welcome to this week's edition of Barbara Cuts
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where we are doing a birthday episode.
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Feels kind of late to be doing a birthday episode, but we talked
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about it when it was around birthday, so close enough. 1994
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Sound Gardens super unknown. So here we go.
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Let's get right into it. Riley Least favorite 2.
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So if I had to pick 2, one would be Kickstand.
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It's a short song. It's a little bit, I don't know,
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it kind of reminded me a little bit more hair medley than some
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of the others, which is not my favorite of like leaning of
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grunge. Typically I just don't prefer
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that one. But it was pretty short compared
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to all the other ones, so it had less time to develop for me and
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it just became one. And so since you mentioned that
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one, I'll agree that was one of mine.
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It seems to literally be a song about riding a bike.
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Yeah. Which and the importance of a
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kickstand. So which looking into some of
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Chris Cornell's reasoning for a lot of his music, it is random
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things like that, that you're just like, OK, you wrote a song
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about it. Yeah.
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So, you know, it's it's it's a break from all the other heavy
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lyrics that I'm sure we'll touch on in the album, but this one
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being a a literal song about riding a bike.
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I did see somewhere where, you know, this one was written
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around at the time when the lead singer of Mother Love Bone died.
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He and Chris Cornell were roommates.
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It had, I think Jeff Ament from Pearl Jam was part of that.
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And to clear their heads, they started mountain bike riding.
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So evidently this came out of that, you know, and, and I it
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was either, I think it was Jeff in an interview said that this
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song actually holds a special meaning in his heart because of
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what they did and what it means, you know, but again, that that's
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an emotional connection to it that I understand.
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I don't have that emotional connection to the song nor the
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kickstand on my bike, so it it made it into the least
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favourites of mine. The other one, OK.
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The other one is a really good song.
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Like vocally, like I, I need to preface that like technically
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it's a good song. It for me has to be like
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suicide, purely because that is the one.
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That's the only song I've met thus far that I cannot listen to
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it without getting the creeps so bad that I have to turn it off
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because I read what it was about and I regret that I've lyriced
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myself Ah. The mom, the bird.
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Bird A real story about him killing a bird and having to
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like. Well, he said in an interview
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that it was a real story. Yeah, but he put the he didn't
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kill the bird, but the the bird broke its.
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Neck and he. But in the interview that I
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read, he said the bird broke his neck.
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And so I did. I didn't know what to do, so I
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smashed it with a brick. OK, Cornell.
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Yeah. Maybe let's word that a little
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better, because since then I cannot listen to that.
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Like I can't do it. I can't.
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I get like a visceral image in my head of what it is, and it's
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so much like the fact that I can listen to so many like, murder
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songs, but as soon as it's a bird, I don't know.
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I think it was. Just meh.
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Birds a rob a Robin is what I read.
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Yeah, got a song so. Soft place in my heart for the
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Robins. But lyrically, I mean, it's,
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it's tough, even if you don't think of it like a bird.
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I mean, it's called like suicide.
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It's just a very heavy song that the other songs I feel like I
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could for the most part listen to.
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If I listen to that song, oh boy, what a bummer.
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I'd be in the rest of the day 'cause it's it's like there's
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lyrics about like pale blue eyes meeting the red like that seem
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to be like him crying or blood and living like murder dying
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like like it's just a such a dark song that makes really good
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sense in this album. Objectively a really great song
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for a personal least favorite I can't listen to.
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Yeah, yeah. So it has to be up there.
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My my other one was the one right before half again short
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song. It's a little bit different mid
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easterns guitar kind of vibe with distorted altered vocals
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that you. Could not by Chris Cornell
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either. Yeah, they they weren't
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Cornells, so that one just wasn't one of my favourites.
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So I guess. I.
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Oh. I really liked that one
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actually. It was not in my favourites, but
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I I did screen like I did when I listened to my screenshot things
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and I screenshot of that one to talk about it.
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Yeah, it was that one to me was like taken from an indie album
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and just slapped in this like it his voice.
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The is it the bassist or it's someone his voice.
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Like he could be like an early indie band with like the really
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weird voices and the distortion and everything fit like my type
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of music really well. So I really enjoyed it, but it
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it was a strange part of this album.
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It it kind of knocked you out a little bit.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. But I, I, I did enjoy it.
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I thought it was better, better than I.
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I mean, it's not Cornell, but it was still really good.
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So that's why it wasn't in my least favorite all.
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Right, so Next up, our favourites.
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OK, I figured because it was your birthday I was allowed to
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have three. How does that work?
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Because birthday albums are special.
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OK. So if you want to add 1 you can
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too all. Right, go ahead.
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So the the I'll play the number one one last, but the other two
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are not are kind of interchangeable for me.
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OK, let's hear it. The first one is The day I tried
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to live. Also a really sad song.
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Let's just throw that out there. Any song on this album is really
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just going to be a really sad song and that's just what it's
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going to be. I love this opening
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instrumental, that kind of pinging sound almost, it's very
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high pitched, almost annoying, but I it, it grabbed my
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attention. And then we kind of talk about
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songs sounding different pretty suddenly.
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And that's one where it's like this sweet little intro and then
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it just switches to a very different vibe.
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And I'm going to say this on every one of the songs.
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Cornell's vocals. Come on now.
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You can't get better than that. But I loved this.
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The softer kind of beginning, the softer vocals.
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It does, the loud. But I mean, come on, how can you
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listen to that and not think that Chris Cornell is the
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vocalist of our generation? You can't.
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It's impossible. I genuinely have so much respect
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for him. But that that, like cry, is so.
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You don't get to claim him. Why do I actually claim?
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It's it's from 94. Yeah, a generation can be from
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1990 to. Sorry.
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No, but that kind of like crying voice, the more high pitched
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voice is one that he does really well that I I do really love
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when he does it. So that was.
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One of them. And then the other one was head
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down. Not a lot of meat to the song
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necessarily lyrically, so this one wasn't a lyric choice as
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much as some of the other ones, but I liked how ominous this one
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kind of felt, I guess is the word that I could describe it
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as. And you can, you can hear it in
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his voice. It's a little bit more creepy
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than some of the other songs have been here.
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It'll come up in a second, but I love the quietness.
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There's no, like, growl to it. It's very pure, but it's so
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ominous. Like, it kind of gives you the
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chills in like, a creepy way, which was a juxtaposition to me
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from the rest of the album, because the rest of the album is
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pretty, like, angry sounding. This one was a lot more like,
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oh, a different side of what he's feeling.
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Yeah. There's another one that there's
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another one that fits that bill, but I don't want to say it in
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case it might be your favorite. And I just, I really liked this
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one. Again, lyrically, he just kind
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of repeats the same thing. But what he repeats is very
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creepy feeling saying, I see that smile on your face and then
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immediately going to we hear you cry, we hear you wail, I see
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that smile on your face. Like almost like someone's
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taking pleasure in this pain. But his vocals in that one too.
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It's so impressive that he can sound like he did on the last
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song and sound like he did on this song.
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And both are phenomenal. It's just so impressive.
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And then the other favorite has to be, I'm not going against,
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I'm not going against the grain. I'm sorry.
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It's Black Hole Sun, which I don't know if this is what you
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were saying, is also ominous. It was not.
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It the the instruments kind of are, but slowing down like how
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big this song slows down yeah, like forces you to pay attention
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to it and did. You did you by chance watch the
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video? I OK I see it whenever it comes
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on. Weird.
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Creepy. Kind of thing with the way they
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shifted their eyeballs. Like if you've seen it, you know
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exactly on talking about it. It's worth the watch it it won a
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Grammy MTV Video Music Award. So it's it's worth a go to
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watch. Yeah, gosh, I I really do love
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this song. It has I've I've listened to a
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podcast like there was 60 minutes about this song and and
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one of the things that is so true about it is the whole album
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is so sad today, given what's happened with Chris Cornell, but
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specifically like it ending with this right before it kind of
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repeats is just him saying hang my head and drown my fear.
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So you all just disappear is the most heartbreaking lyric to me,
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just given what happened, hearing that pain all the way
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back in the 1990s and how far he got.
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But just such a good song. It it kind of pulls on the loud,
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soft, loud at some points, but it like sounds like it's going
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to build a lot more and it it does and doesn't.
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But I mean, it's definitely one. You can't just be like, ah, it's
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just people just like it for no reason.
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No, you can listen to the song and you'll know why.
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It has however many listens it has.
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It deserves all of the the praise that it gets and his
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vocals in it are amazing. Yeah, it's one of those things
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that like the, the, the pop songs are pop songs because
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they, they follow that traditional format.
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So you know what you're going to get out of most of them.
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You know, they they, I'm not going to say all of them because
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they do throw some surprises in there.
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But Black Hole Sun, you mentioned, it does feel like
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it's building towards something that really never gets to what
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you expect it to. Yeah.
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And so that is that is part of the intrigue of of the song
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itself is that you do keep expecting more, but yet they
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don't quite deliver. They do in places.
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And then you think it's going to go another step, but it either
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goes back a step or, or, or stays where it is and then goes
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down a step. So it's, it's, it's a very good,
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good, good song. And I think for it, I mean it, I
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kind of feel like it's talking a lot about depression.
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I don't know if that's actually what it's about but but it feels
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like being in that pit of being like vacuumed into a pit.
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Hence black hole sun, no actual light or just death.
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Like the end of the world, black hole, sun coming and ending it
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all. So it almost makes more sense to
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end it with just the really quiet, really somber, really
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drawn back. Like hang my head till you all
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just disappear. Like that makes so much more
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sense than the culmination that you're kind of expecting to
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happen. And then you hear it and you're
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like, that is how it's supposed to end.
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It's just this quieter. Right.
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Let go. Right.
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So I really love Bachelson. That's probably how I knew about
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Chris Cornell to begin with. Spoon Man was up there and
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knowing about him. But.
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So you know, the, the, I guess the song, as we talk about these
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and, and, and you mentioned them in some of the ones we've
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already talked about, like there, there's a lot, like a lot
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of the lyrics were written by Cornell and he had struggles
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with depression, isolation and, and just internal struggles that
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he was dealing with. So a lot of these lyrics reflect
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that, which is why when we said kickstand is almost a relief
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because it's not about any of those.
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It really is, you know, about a kickstand on a bike.
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So the the other one not so it was one of the ones that I was
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debating on getting to, but the other one that had a had a bit
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of a creepy sound to it is at the beginning 4th of July.
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It it wasn't one, but this was one that I thought, and this one
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is written on experiences of a bad LSD trip.
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And so yeah, so he was, I want to see him live editing got to
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turn my do not disturb on. So and then that low voice is is
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still kind of creepy in a way. So that's, that's what I
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thought. You may I didn't know if you'd
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pick it. So I didn't I didn't want to say
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it, but that's what it was so all right, so my favorites, so
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one of them you've already mentioned it, so I'll I'll start
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with that one. The day I tried to live again.
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Am I breaking? I'm feel like I'm going slow I.
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Your movie you are, but I can hear you well.
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OK, I the the opening notes nice and easy and then like you said,
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they just disappear. The bass and drums kick in.
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You know, as you were talking earlier, it's not as annoying as
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as an alarm clock, but it almost like maybe this is an alarm
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clock of the day. I tried to live.
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I'm waking up and now I'm getting into this routine of
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man, I got to do what I got to do and.
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It's actually what I was thinking is it's a quieter sound
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at the beginning and then the drums kick in.
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It's almost like you're in your dreams and then like the big
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first hit, like jolts you awake. Yeah, 'cause I mean, he, he's
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talked about this song and, and being about him trying to step
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out, not be so closed off the, the isolation.
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And he said he would do that. And, and this was like a song to
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remind him and how he tried to be.
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And I'll put in quotes normal and just go out and about with,
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with other people. And the difficulty he found in
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doing that, you know, it, it, it has some tempo changes.
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He knows the beginning is a little bit slower than where we
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are now. And, and this album is known for
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that. And so there's this musical
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interpretation of of jarring yourself into something that you
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may not want to do. And again, this is probably
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something that we can all relate to, putting ourselves out there
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into uncomfortable situations. And then you do it again the
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next day, one more time around, as the ending of the lyrics say,
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despite all the setbacks that you may have.
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And so he, he considered it a hopeful song, although a lot of
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people have interpreted it otherwise.
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He he said it was a hopeful song, so.
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You know what? You know what I was just about
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to say once you were done talking was unironically this
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would be an incredible pump up song because it like it's loud
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enough to kind of get you going. It has to beat to get you going.
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But the lyrics are ultimately hopeful.
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That's what I was going to say. Of like the lyrics are like,
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this sucks and I'm mad about it, but hey, I'm going to get it
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done. Yeah, so, you know, and, and it
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does have some of those where, you know, like I woke the same
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as any other day, you know, I should have stayed in bed.
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But yet he's like one more time around, might do it one more
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time I might make it so. I think it's a hopeful song.
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It it is that hopeful song in there.
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So. So that was one of mine the day
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I tried such. A good song, his voice.
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Gosh, it is that is such a. Good.
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He really shows it off in that song too, which I appreciate.
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Yeah, yeah. So good.
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The other one that was a favorite of mine, it's like
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suicide. This the the title is
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unfortunate. I'm going.
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To have to turn off my, turn off my, but you talk to yourself.
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I'm sorry to make you listen to it, but like, it's it's not a
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song that endorses suicide. We talked about it stems from a
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Robin that was flying, crashed into his window, broke his neck.
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So Cornell went out and put it out of its misery.
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Like, maybe, yes, smashing your head with smashing its head with
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a brick was bad terminology and visual cues.
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But you know, you, you've got the, the slowness of how it
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starts. We've got him in a lower voice
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and, you know, and, and, and it even talks about coming up with
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a broken neck. Like he said, the song was about
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this heavy, somber nature of endings and what they do to you
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because he's the one that ultimately had to go out and do
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that to the Robin and to his credit.
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And like it took an effect on him.
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Like it it, it had an effect on him.
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Like it, it let. Me be clear.
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Let me be clear right now, when I was saying it gives me the
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creeps, I was not saying it's because Cornell did anything
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wrong. Ultimately, he made a choice
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that was a good choice to make for him.
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Putting something out of suicide like putting something out of
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misery. I'm saying after hearing how he
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worded something, I have such a visceral image in my head of
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this song that it makes me uncomfortable.
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Not that he did anything wrong or that I was calling him a
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creep. Yeah, I just can't do it.
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You know, in the line she lived like a murderer, how she flies
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so sweetly. She lived like a murderer, but
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she died just like suicide. The the murder I read somewhere
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was a play on words as a group of crows and how beautiful that
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can be when they are flying around and doing all this.
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But yet that violent end was like suicide.
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And again, horrible whatever foreshadowing of events to come,
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you know, and, and he said it, it was a literal song to him,
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not a metaphor for humans. However, the vulnerability of
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the bird built to fly crashing, I think it does in some way
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extend to humans as you watch somebody that you love or you're
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watching yourself. Yeah.
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Descend and break and now you get his lyrics or his voice in
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the higher part that he's really known for, you know, and how you
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can break under the weight of the world.
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So the one thing that I do like about the song that I feel is
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you can see how the stigma around mental health issues has
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grown from 1994 to today. Of course, it's still growing,
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but the conversation seems to be much more open than than what it
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than what it used to be. But the escalating music as well
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as the as it goes, you know it, it's a 7 minute song.
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And so this one does actually build throughout.
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And we, we get to the very end here.
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Fast forward a bit now you get a good minute long guitar solo.
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And so you've got this escalating music that that
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captures like you're sitting in your room, you're again, you
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hear the bang on the window and you realize what it is.
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You have that pain. And I can almost sense that this
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is a building of that pain that then in the music expresses
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itself out at the very end with this heart solo getting it all
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out there. Because at the very end of the
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solo it it it comes back now play just the very end of it.
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Feel it all the way back down to just his voice, not as low up
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high. It's just a nice to me.
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I know you didn't like it. It's a a good ending song for an
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album, one that's musically, you know.
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So I know, I know the the content is is a little tough,
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but musically it it it does. And even even lyrically like it
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does fit. I get you don't like it, but
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lyrically it's a good ending song for for this album.
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That's why I preface so hard at the beginning.
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Yeah, I know it's a good song. I admit it's a good song.
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I can't do it. But I can't do it.
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All right, so there go favourites.
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Why should people listen to this album?
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I know I picked it, but I'll let you I'll let you start as per
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custom of our show. So, well, first of all, I keep
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saying I I'm a Chris Cornell person.
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I'm a Chris Cornell stand. Everybody knows that at this
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point. You, you, you have said you've
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Chris Cornell. You knew Black Hole Sun.
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Did you know any other songs off the album?
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Because this is probably not one that you heard quite a bit.
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No, I heard spoon man and I've heard fell on black days.
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Yeah, OK. But funnily, no.
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Funnily enough, I think I had heard more from Audioslave and
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Temple of the Dog than I had Soundgarden.
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And also more of his solo stuff. I never listened to the full
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album. I I just love his voice in
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anything. But really the one that I think
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I was introduced to Chris Cornell on Through You was like
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a stone. I think I heard that one the
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most by Audioslave and I I still to this day love that song.
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Yeah, that that stemmed from me being a Rage Against the Machine
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fan and adopting him in to sync vocals so.
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Yeah, so funnily enough, I know him from his lesser notes stuff
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and became a fan through that. That and his Billie Jean cover I
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think is what sold it for me of me being like this.
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This is something else I keep saying.
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He's the voice of a generation, like a once in a generation like
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vocalist. I'm not technically lying.
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Like his vocal range is a very rare thing to have.
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He has like 4 different, he can reach 4 different ranges.
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That's so rare that it kind of is a once in a generation of
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voice. You don't get it often.
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And I think this album we've talked about like happy songs
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that are actually sad or just plain sad songs.
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This album is a lot of like, oh, this is an angry song.
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And then you listen to it and you're like, no, he's just
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really sad. But like, it's a lot more angry
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of an album than I would say Tin was, though.
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Tin was also sad. It just was more kind of there
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and then Nirvana had angry music that wasn't always sad.
29:42
Some of it was just nonsense, but and that's not an insult, go
29:47
listen to go, like actually read the lyrics of like some of their
29:50
songs. They'll admit to it, which I
29:54
think is a fun side of grunge kind of hitting more on like the
30:02
punk, the angry of just like everything sucks kind of sound.
30:07
But while also really delving into what I think made grunge
30:13
special and unique, which is being so incredibly vulnerable
30:20
in the music as while also having like this cool guy
30:28
persona that you you're supposed to have that none of them
30:33
necessarily perpetuated that. But that was what was ascribed
30:36
to them as being like cool, like kind of this unattached to
30:43
anything. And then you hear the lyrics and
30:45
it kind of reminds you of no, that's really not what it is.
30:51
And I think. That was with a lot of the at at
30:55
at least the core for the big four that came out and and that
31:02
really define grunge. Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden
31:06
and Alice In Chains there and we talked about it and the Nirvana
31:12
and Pearl Jam episodes. They're they're the depth of
31:16
their lyrics. If are often underrated.
31:22
You don't really expect it. Now you mentioned Nirvana has
31:28
silly songs. You hear we we've talked about a
31:31
song the the kickstand. So yes, not every song is is
31:37
deep and vulnerable. Some of them, you know, they're,
31:40
they're still 20 something year olds when they're writing all
31:43
this. But man, most of them, they are
31:48
deep songs lyrically and then you wrap around for me, you
31:56
know, again, people's tastes are different.
31:59
Really good music around it, man.
32:02
That's that's that's going to win for any album when you like
32:08
that kind of music and then you tie in some lyrics to it.
32:12
That's that's what just makes some of these so great.
32:16
Yeah, I think it's also, again, I think I really enjoy Pearl
32:24
Jam. I really enjoy Nirvana.
32:26
I don't listen to much Alice In Chains, but the Alice In Chains
32:28
I've listened to, I really enjoy it lyrically.
32:31
I think they're all incredible and and can write lyrics.
32:35
There is something, there's something unique to me about
32:39
hearing, like hearing reading how Chris Cornell talks about
32:43
his lyrics and how he came up with them and how he interprets
32:47
them and how he feels them because he has a talent.
32:52
To me of you see it in Kickstand you, you kind of see it in the
32:56
day I try to live. You see it in like suicide where
32:59
it's just a very real life experience.
33:01
There's not really meant to be a broader theme to it.
33:08
But the way he writes about it becomes much more accessible to
33:13
the listener to make it their own.
33:15
And he seems OK with that too. Like any anytime he's been like,
33:18
no, it's not really meant to be about a person, but I don't care
33:21
if people take it that way or like kickstand, he's like, Nope,
33:24
it's just about a bike, but you can take it that way and all
33:28
these things or the day I tried to live being it's hopeful to
33:31
me. But like everything just he
33:34
seems to have a very good understanding of like this is my
33:37
music and this is how I interpret it.
33:38
But other people, you know, they're going to take it.
33:43
But a lot of a lot of his songs seem to be about the mundane of
33:51
sorts, like the everyday. It not a big event happened per
33:56
SE. It's just your anger, your
34:02
everyday battle with like mental illness, which I'm not saying
34:05
isn't a small isn't a big thing. That is a big thing.
34:08
But it's, it's the everyday, less exciting things that he
34:14
writes in a way that are kind of beautiful, sad, the beautiful.
34:21
Right, you know, and even now as you, you get to like I, I played
34:25
a little snippet of 4th of July and it was like a, a bad LSD
34:30
trip where, you know, that's what he wrote about.
34:34
He couldn't, he couldn't decipher if the world was ending
34:38
or if he was at a firework show. And like the juxtaposition of
34:44
those two, 4th of July being firework, we're happy, we're
34:47
celebrating or the end of the world as we know it.
34:52
And. But again, that's a very
34:57
interesting contrast. Yeah, or limo wreck was the one
35:02
that I read about. There was also an interesting
35:05
like he was so perceptive of everything that was around him
35:08
at a pretty young age and was able to put it into words in
35:12
such a specific way. Like limo wreck is about.
35:15
He was drive or he was driving around and he was talking about
35:19
the juxtaposition between like the ratty old cars and the
35:22
really nice cars right next to them.
35:24
He's like in just the image of a clean, pristine limo wrecked
35:29
into one another was something that was just not normal.
35:34
People don't see that or feel that ever.
35:38
And that seemed to be a lot of his reasoning for writing
35:40
things, which I also appreciate. A lot of times whenever he'd be
35:44
asked something, he'd be like, I hadn't seen it before, like
35:46
super unknown. He's like, I just hadn't seen
35:48
that word before. So I wrote about it and that
35:52
kind of became a lot of his music.
35:54
So it's it's just a very raw and I feel like you get a very good
35:58
glimpse into who he is, who he, what he was dealing with and the
36:01
type type of person he was during all of that.
36:06
And I mean, how can you really not talk about him being an
36:11
incredible lyricist when he has a song like Spood Man, you know,
36:15
so. So, you know, just some more,
36:18
some more about it and the Force.
36:22
It was their Force studio album. You again can see their first
36:28
album I think was 8088 and 89, then maybe 9091 and then 94 some
36:37
somewhere in there. And you can see they did have a
36:40
little progression from more punk sounding to more that the
36:45
grunge classic rock kind of kind of sound.
36:47
You you get like you mentioned in a couple of these songs, a
36:50
little bit of a punk sound, but but they still basket a lot like
36:58
like Nirvana did. This was their first album to
37:02
debut at #1 on Billboard 200 album chart mentioned Black hole
37:09
sun one of MTV Video easy for me to say MTV Video Music award.
37:18
They won two Grammys in 95.1 for Black Hole Sun, one for Spoon
37:22
Man. And again, like just the lyrics
37:27
that people don't associate with Grimes.
37:29
So if, if, if you enjoy listening to those types of
37:34
lyrics, you know, it it, it may be cathartic for somebody that
37:40
there there are other people fighting some of these exact
37:43
same things that you are. Hey, this is the perfect album
37:48
for you They. I mean, if you've ever and we
37:53
won't tell, we won't tell anyone.
37:55
We'll keep it confidential. But if you've ever thought about
37:58
killing your boss, there's even a song for that.
38:00
This is this is true. That's Mailman.
38:03
Which I did want to mention and again also and the.
38:06
Stereotype of going postal so, but here we go still.
38:13
Mailman, if there's so many of these songs, but Mailman's Me
38:18
was not one of my favorite songs.
38:19
But if you ever wanted, if you ever wanted to show anyone Chris
38:25
Cornell's vocal range in one song, that would be the song to
38:28
do it. I think he hits everything and
38:30
every note in that song. It's an insane song for his
38:33
voice. Yes, that that alone should
38:37
prove a lot too. That that one, that one grew on
38:41
me. The more, you know, some of
38:44
these I I I remembered, but I hadn't listened to the full
38:48
album and in quite some time just had some cherry picked and
38:51
whenever they pop up. But you know, that one was
38:54
another one that that grew on me.
38:56
The more I play, the more it played, the more the more I like
38:59
yeah, this is this actually lyrically, yeah, that's a that's
39:03
an odd subject to write a song about, but musically it was it
39:07
was good. And, and him singing, you know,
39:10
the the other thing that I want to mention and, and we, we
39:15
touched on it with Beach Boys and Pet Sounds last week, is
39:22
that here they do a lot of crazy stuff with the actual music.
39:28
So they do drop tuning. They have quite a few unusual
39:37
time signatures that range and, and not like one song is a
39:42
steady beat throughout and then the next one's a different beat,
39:45
you know, like 3 or 4 in a single song that they just
39:49
switch back and forth between. And again, I don't know how to
39:54
explain those things to you. Like I got no idea what drop
39:57
tuning is like. That's part of why we do this.
40:00
I I don't understand a lot of that stuff.
40:03
I just know what it does whenever you listen to it or
40:08
read lyrics or listen to lyrics. And so all, all of that to say,
40:14
like, if that is something that you understand, then go listen
40:19
to the album because you'll be at your ear.
40:22
We train to pick up on some of those things and, and, and you
40:26
might be able to appreciate it in a way that, Oh, I never would
40:29
have listened to that because it's garage, it's Soundgarden.
40:33
It's super unknown. And they don't like to use
40:36
spaces in their band name or their titles when there should
40:42
be a space when super unknown or Soundgarden.
40:45
So it, it's, go listen to it. Give it a try, especially if you
40:49
know what you're listening for, because it, it, it may be good.
40:51
And as you mentioned, Black Hole Sun, at least on Spotify, just
40:55
recently passed the 1 billion mark.
40:59
It's their first billion stream. So go, let's go listen to it.
41:05
One of my friends who does know a little bit more about time
41:08
signatures and actual like musicality, stuff like that,
41:11
when I played them, Billie Jean, they said that they thought he
41:17
changed the time signature halfway through that song or
41:20
like at different points in that song.
41:22
So I mean he continued on making really good music solo and
41:27
continued experimenting quite a bit.
41:29
And the, the, the people that the, the, the guy that that
41:33
talked most about it was Kim Thale, the, the guitarist.
41:39
And he was like we, when we started recording a song, like
41:43
we didn't, and I'm paraphrasing here, like we didn't pay
41:47
attention to the time signature. We just did what we thought was
41:50
fun and interesting and made it sound good.
41:53
And then when it was done, whatever the time signature was
41:56
is what it was. So, you know, a lot of times.
42:00
In my opinion, how it should really.
42:02
Be right, you know, So a lot of times you write write the music
42:07
to a certain time signature so I can stay on, stay on beat.
42:11
They were like, Nah, we're just going to do whatever feels right
42:13
while we're recording it. And whatever it ends up as is
42:16
what it ends up as, like, yeah, that's pretty cool.
42:21
All right. Any anything else on why people
42:23
should go listen to it? I don't think so, other than if
42:28
we both love Chris Cornell. Yeah, if you're a Pearl Jam fan,
42:31
you can go listening to it because the drummer is Matt
42:37
Cameron. Who later was the drummer for
42:41
Pearl Jam? So imagine that being.
42:44
You can also on your. Resume Hey, I was the drummer
42:47
for Soundgarden and Pearl Jam. That's like, OK, that's pretty
42:52
cool. Like side tangent, that's like
42:56
the person who has performed the most on Saturday Night Live is
43:01
Dave Grohl because he is the vocalist for a band and the
43:04
drummer for a different band, both of which performed on SNLA
43:06
few times. So he became like the most or
43:11
for a bit of time he was the person who had been most.
43:14
And that is funny 'cause that is also crazy to be the especially
43:19
crazy to go from drummer to vocalist.
43:21
That's that's not that common. You know the other person who's
43:23
done that? Marcus Mumford.
43:25
Fun fact. Anyway.
43:26
Well. You know who else did it?
43:29
Who started as the drummer for Soundgarden?
43:32
Chris Cornell. Chris Cornell.
43:34
You can't shut that man up. I mean, so and you heard.
43:38
They heard. In a, they hired in a drummer so
43:40
that he could focus on the vocals there.
43:42
Yeah, if you heard. Him slightly in the vocals and
43:45
they're all like, yeah man, you don't need to be stuck behind
43:48
the drum kit. We need you out in front singing
43:51
so. Gosh, don't hold him back.
43:53
Yeah. Drummers.
43:55
Every drummer out there, you're either really, really good and
44:01
you need to quit your day job or stay behind those drums.
44:07
There you go. I can't.
44:09
I when I try to do feet and hands I get all kinds of crazy
44:14
so. Yeah, I can't do either so.
44:17
Yeah, All right, I guess. That'd.
44:20
Be worse for you. Yeah.
44:21
Best, best beaten bar. So Riley, I'm going to say that
44:27
your best lyric is not from like Suicide, going out on the run
44:32
there. So what is your favorite lyric
44:35
from Super Unknown? So I mean, with how deep the
44:43
lyrics are, you could really pull a lyric from any song.
44:48
I decided that since it was a little bit of a heavier album, I
44:53
was going to find one that stuck out to me in a kind of funny
44:56
way. It's not from Spoon Man, because
44:59
that whole song sticks out in a funny way.
45:03
This one is from Mywave, the second song on this album, and I
45:12
don't know if you already know what lyric I'm talking about.
45:17
The lyrics aren't even listed on Spotify.
45:19
Like I think this is the only song where the lyrics really
45:21
aren't there, but it still sticks out like a sore thumb.
45:26
We'll just have to listen to it comes.
45:30
But this one's one of the more angry ones.
45:33
But it's meant to be an angry song, so you can kind of hear
45:39
it. The like angry which good song
45:45
too you? Know and and.
45:54
Sorry, it's it'll come up, but it doesn't have the lyrics so I
45:58
don't know exactly what it is. Yeah, we can't.
46:00
We can't auto fast to it. Oh, that is the funniest lyric
46:08
to throw in there and I don't know if you heard it.
46:13
Don't come over here piss on my gate in such an angry song.
46:22
What an incredible lyric. But it really getting at the
46:27
album but it stuck out to me and it lasted like that lyric is so
46:33
I don't know why it's so funny to me to just be like angry
46:36
about it. But he repeats it a few times
46:40
but I just thought it was but I just.
46:45
I love this lyric and this is proof that sometimes sometimes
46:50
the best lyric isn't the most emotional.
46:53
Sometimes it's just the one that sticks with you for no reason.
46:58
But that song also has the when I was talking about when I was
47:03
saying he doesn't seem to care how people interpret his music.
47:07
Like obviously if someone was using it for something hateful,
47:10
that's different. But that song is kind of why I
47:14
was thinking that because there's it's an angry song, but
47:17
a lot of lyrics are like cry if you want, be angry if you want,
47:22
don't be if you don't want. Like the whole song is kind of
47:25
like you can do what you do, just don't like, don't come to
47:28
me and make it my problem. Just stay over there and do what
47:31
you want to do. Don't do it on my wave.
47:34
Yeah, don't. Don't pee on my gait.
47:38
Yeah, OK, that's all I'm asking. Just stay over there.
47:43
It's. Not a big It's not a big ask.
47:45
It's really not, but that was my favorite lyric of the album.
47:50
But I mean, listen to any of the lyrics.
47:52
And I mean, it's also good, yeah.
47:56
So my best beat, again, it was difficult.
48:00
Lots of you know, I'm I am a guitar solo fan, so there are
48:04
plenty of those on this album. However, when there is a solo of
48:10
Spoons, that has to be the best beat.
48:15
So before we get there, though, has to be Spoon solo in Spoon
48:21
Man again, it it's inspired by a Seattle St. performer named
48:27
Artist the Spoon Man, who does in fact play the spoons in this
48:30
song in the video as well. And so we'll get to it.
48:35
Matt Cameron actually plays pots and pans during it as well while
48:42
he's playing the Spoon solo. But before we get to that,
48:45
wanted to tell the story that I guess we teased in in Beach
48:49
Boys. So this was I, I want to say it
48:54
was before you could easily bring up a song in your car on
48:59
Spotify, whatever it is. And, and so we were riding in
49:05
the car. Apologies to brother Barbara,
49:10
but I can't remember if he was in the car or not, but me, you,
49:15
mommy were there. And I start singing Spoon man,
49:22
Spoon man, and you're like, that's not a real song.
49:28
Like what are you doing? Why are you making that up?
49:30
Like, no, that is a real song. It's by Soundgarden and I'm just
49:35
telling y'all. And like, it's even got a spoon
49:38
solo in it. And I think that was the straw
49:42
that broke the cam's back. You're all like, no, no way.
49:45
That does not exist. So we had to wait until we got
49:49
home before we before I could actually find it, bring it up,
49:54
play it and you're like, wow, this is spoon man.
50:01
And it does in fact have a spoon solo.
50:04
So I am going to kick start right right before the the maybe
50:12
about 20 seconds before the solo because there's a little guitar
50:16
solo in there. And I there's also that high
50:21
scream, controlled scream that Cornell is is known for.
50:27
So I want to want to let you hear hear that as well.
50:31
But spoon, man, and then we'll get.
50:54
there's a screen little little guitar solo in action there.
51:04
And here come the spoons. And not a short solo either.
51:42
Lots of spoons. So he keeps going a little bit,
51:47
but that's the gist of it. But a Spoon solo takes the cake
51:53
on one of the essential Soundgarden listenings.
51:58
But you know, got to give pops to artists.
52:02
The spoon man. Which I know artists well.
52:06
I don't know, I wasn't around, but I had read that artist was
52:10
like a pretty popular street performer.
52:13
Like people knew of him. However, I would have loved to
52:19
be a family on the wall of, like, Chris Cornell, like a
52:24
pretty big, like, grunge sad song guy calling artists and
52:29
being like, hey, man, we have an idea.
52:32
Yeah. And it involves a long spoon
52:35
solo. Yeah.
52:37
In between songs about everything else, we want one
52:44
about how influential Spoon Man is.
52:47
Right. Feel the rhythm in his hands.
52:50
I got a story about it, teaser for a few minutes from now.
52:54
I got a story about that coming up, so.
52:56
Which? We'll say that.
53:00
I also just had a flashback of the memory after the fact.
53:06
So I was young, I did not know. I didn't know you could play the
53:13
spoons, which is why my doubt in you was so high because I was
53:18
like, how do you play the spoons?
53:20
Like, what is that? And you were like just spoons.
53:22
And I was like, you can't play that.
53:24
And after listening to it, you were like, those are spoons.
53:29
I wasn't sold. So you're like, watch this and
53:32
you tried to play the spoons and you were not successful at
53:35
playing the spoons. So we I think had to pull up a
53:38
video of someone playing the. Spoons near as good as as what
53:41
he did. I don't think he really made a
53:43
sound. Actual video and he's got him in
53:46
his. Hand it's insane.
53:47
I have so much respect for people who can play the spoon.
53:50
So he can hit him on, he hits him on his body, he hits him
53:53
against each other. So depending on the sound he
53:55
wants, it's it's it's good to go watch it.
53:57
Go watch the Soundgarden video, but then go find some videos of
54:01
of him doing it in in street. He's got a guy that plays guitar
54:05
with him. It's it's good.
54:07
It's good. I have massive respect for every
54:09
person who can play an instrument specifically 3 though
54:12
and it's the spoons, the accordion and the one instrument
54:17
that's it's technically one instrument that's the the
54:21
harmonica, drum and like snare that one person plays.
54:26
Anytime I see someone playing that it's like it may.
54:29
It may sound the worst it's ever been but I'm impressed or even
54:32
trying it. Yeah, yeah.
54:36
All right. Well, here we go.
54:38
Ratings. Riley, what are your ratings?
54:42
My personal rating was a 10. I like Soundgarden, even even
54:52
with the song at the end. Like that to me didn't change
54:59
the perception of the album and the way that it it sometimes
55:02
does. I still think it's a darn near a
55:07
perfect album for me though. Again, all of you know, I'm a
55:14
little bit biased. Anything that Chris Cornell kind
55:16
of put out, like it's so good. But Soundgarden I think really
55:24
was personally a really good album that I enjoyed.
55:28
It was weird for me to listen to it in the summer.
55:34
I tend to go through different genres at different points in
55:36
time, and grunge or louder music tends to be my late fall, early
55:42
winter music for some reason. So it's interesting listening to
55:47
it in the summer. But it was great going on a
55:49
walk, a fast walk to kind of put you in that spirit.
55:54
It's great going to work. Like it's just a good pump up
55:56
album in a weird way if you listen.
56:00
To it going on a walk. Be prepared, it is a 70 minute
56:05
album. Yes, I was.
56:07
All of it hour and 10 minutes so.
56:09
I was doing it to listen. To.
56:12
I was doing it to time myself for my walk and to give an idea
56:15
of it may get you going, it may get you pumped up.
56:19
It's an so I was, it was about an hour and 10 minutes.
56:23
I walked about four, 4 1/2 miles.
56:26
I don't know how I was moving my feet that fast and not running
56:30
because that's about like 15 minute miles.
56:32
For context, when I run, it's about a 12 minute mile.
56:35
Like for some reason I was going to this album.
56:39
So it'll get you going. And then objective, honestly, I
56:45
would say objectively it's also a 10 just because of how strong
56:51
every individual part of it is. How like the lyrics are so
56:56
strong, the voices are so strong, the instruments are so
56:59
strong, the thought behind it and the care to it.
57:02
Like everything is so meticulously thought out and
57:08
done so well that like, I'm I'm surprised it's not on our album
57:16
list. So my ratings are very similar,
57:21
10 and and for personal again, I love the album Objective 9.5 and
57:28
I would say probably the reason that it's not on the list is
57:35
because of Pearl Jam and Nirvana.
57:39
Yeah, I would agree if. You're if you're going to put
57:43
say, OK, we we got it. We got to pick a couple of
57:45
grunge albums to make the, you know, make those people happy.
57:53
You're you're not going to get a lot of grief if you do 10 and
57:57
never mind you know, it was in in as as grunge goes, a lot of
58:04
people consider dirt, which is the big one from Alice In Chains
58:09
to possibly be the the best of the four big albums and in and
58:19
so but that was their 4th studio album.
58:23
This is Soundgardens 4th studio album considered to be their
58:26
best. Never mind is Nirvana's second
58:30
10 is Pearl Jam's first and and you know, while ten really you
58:41
know it it. It's one of those things where
58:46
never mind in 10 probably kept this one from being a 10 and not
58:53
on not included in in lists because because those two came
58:57
right before it. Same thing with dirt by Alice In
59:01
Chains. So, but 99.5 for me, I really,
59:07
really love it. And so Next up, song of the
59:14
week, what you got? I got 2 at this point it should
59:21
be OK. I'm playing music already on
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accident. The first one, it's a little bit
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late, but we had talked about it recently after the last podcast,
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so I wanted to throw it in. It's falling slowly, which the
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writer whose name I'm liking on right now that you Glen Hansard,
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he wrote the song. I don't.
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The one that I listen to is not where he's the vocalist.
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It's from the Broadway recording, but he still wrote
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it. He passed recently.
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Very sad. He was amazing, but I have.
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I loved the song for a long time.
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Mama Pod introduced it to me and the harmonies, the voices are so
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beautiful together. It's such a pretty song that
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that builds so beautiful. It's so emotional and makes you
1:00:23
feel in that place too. I love this song.
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And this, this was a song that if you've seen a clip of, I
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think it was in New York City, a big group of people just crowded
1:00:37
around singing a song. It was this one in honor of
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Hansard. But love the song.
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It's so beautiful. It's just, Yeah, I listened to
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it on like a plane ride and it's very calming.
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It's a very calming song. It's very sad.
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Well, it kind of goes in between a lot of emotions because it's
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also kind of empowering. But it's just a very pretty
1:01:11
relaxing song. Yeah.
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And we? Watched we watched the movie
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it's from it's the movie was decent too, so.
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Yes, so I recommend. Their voices are beautiful
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together. It yes, very much so.
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I love a good I love a good harmony.
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Like not just like oh, they're harmonizing like where it's like
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your voices were made to sing together.
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Incredible. The other one is off a new album
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by Phoebe Bridgers, which I I sent you 1 today from that
1:01:56
album. This is not that song.
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This is called haunted. Phoebe Bridgers is a pretty
1:02:06
popular artist, but she deserves her roses for being a a pretty
1:02:13
big name and like a a female rock era, which you can't hear
1:02:17
that in this song. That's funny for me to say that,
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but her lyrics are. It's so beautiful and this album
1:02:28
is so sad. I can't explain to you how sad
1:02:32
this album is, but so good. People are really raving about
1:02:39
it right now because of how vulnerable and just amazing it
1:02:43
is. And this one was a slower one
1:02:49
from it, but I just like kind of the thought to it.
1:03:01
I just love her. I think she has an incredible
1:03:03
voice that is so full of emotion that fits her music very well.
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But it's haunted by her from that specific album.
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But Lost Boys is another great one, and that whole album is
1:03:18
really great. There's a song on, there's one
1:03:20
lyric that's like damaging a lot of people right now and it's
1:03:23
about I think her father has passed away.
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I'm not, I'm not positive. I think it that's what it was.
1:03:30
And it's a lyric saying I still can't imagine you dead.
1:03:34
And like that's like broken people of being like I it's this
1:03:38
whole song about having memories and not being able to like bring
1:03:41
yourself to the reality she's stuck in.
1:03:44
She's like, I can't ground myself.
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It's really sad album. I listened to it when I was
1:03:50
already a little bit sad and it made me a lot more sad, so I had
1:03:53
to stop listening to it. But then I listened to it when I
1:03:55
was doing better and it was really good.
1:03:57
And it was Phoebe Bridgers Haunted by Phoebe Bridgers.
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But her new album I recommend, Yeah, that one was softer.
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Not a lot of her other music is actually a lot louder than that,
1:04:09
but I like it a lot. And falling slowly all.
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Right, so Speaking of rocking my song of the week, I am sticking
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in the grunge realm, State of Love and Trust by Pearl Jam, and
1:04:34
it's from the single soundtrack. So this is see from 92 and so
1:04:44
this soundtrack, guys, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Chris Cornell
1:04:49
solo song, Mother Love Bone, Soundgarden, Mud Honey,
1:04:54
Screaming Trees and Smashing Pumpkins all on the album.
1:04:59
So it is a phenomenal soundtrack if you're into that kind of
1:05:03
music. But the reason to pick this is
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because it's a little bit tangent to the album that we had
1:05:10
members of Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were in the movie and they
1:05:15
were in a in a band and they were trying to come up with a
1:05:20
name. And one of the names that that
1:05:23
they were coming up with or that was on the list of potential
1:05:26
names was from the basis of Pearl Jam, Jeff Amon and Spoon
1:05:31
Man was the name of one of the album or one of the band names.
1:05:36
And again, they're all from Seattle.
1:05:40
So it was to ours, the Spoon Man, that was not the name they
1:05:46
picked. And then Cornell's like, I'm
1:05:51
going to take that and write a song about it.
1:05:53
And so in the movie, there is an acoustic version, which was what
1:05:57
the demo was. There's an acoustic version of
1:06:00
Spoon Man in, in the out. In the actual movie, it's not on
1:06:05
the soundtrack because Cornell wanted to write an electric
1:06:09
version and have him playing the spoons, which we've just heard.
1:06:15
So here we've got again song about again grunge emotions, the
1:06:24
fight to stay faithful and honest in a relationship.
1:06:27
So stay to love and trust when maybe the instincts are your
1:06:32
instincts are driving you apart, but you'll want to stay.
1:06:35
Stay faithful guitars in intense throughout you hear intensity
1:06:45
and raw Groff of Vetter's voice compared to you know Cornell's
1:06:55
voice that's generally more more clean and so this is state 11
1:07:02
trust is also speed up this a little bit to get to there's a
1:07:07
guitar solo that's a little guitar solo at the very end here
1:07:13
that Mike McCready does do again just this is hard fast all the
1:07:20
way through so state of love and trust by Pearl town.
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Which, if you heard me or if you saw me mounting along to the
1:07:36
lyrics, yeah, I'm cool and can understand half of what Eddie
1:07:39
Vedder says so. All you got to.
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DO is the skill that I've harnessed.
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All you got to do is move your mouth around and you'll probably
1:07:46
look like you're saying the words for a lot of.
1:07:48
The Yeah, it's also easy whenever he repeats Hey na na na
1:07:51
na, hey, that's something over and over again.
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You got to have the song right there.
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Let me get yellow Ledbetter cued up and see how.
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OK, I actually so OK, that's a side tangent.
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I do know a lot of those lyrics and it's because Mama Pod, she
1:08:08
used to, she did it for a few Pearl Jam songs and that's it.
1:08:12
Made me pull up the lyrics and read it in time with the lyrics
1:08:17
as he was singing them. So like I said.
1:08:20
Yeah, so cuz she was like, what are they saying?
1:08:22
And it's like they're on the porch, but they don't wave.
1:08:25
Yeah. What are?
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The lyrics, So I do know a lot of lyrics to Yellow Ledbetter.
1:08:31
And, and it's got a good, it's got a good line in there that is
1:08:35
very true of life. Sometimes I don't know if I'm
1:08:39
the boxer or the bag. Or the bag like I love that we.
1:08:44
All felt that at some point in our lives.
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So that brings us to next album. We are back to the poster.
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I think just for this next time and then we're.
1:08:57
Another birthday album. In my hands, which we know how
1:09:01
much you all liked her. Like, hey, anyway, our next one
1:09:07
is a complete switch out that I'm very excited for.
1:09:12
It is. I never loved a man the way I
1:09:14
loved you, Aretha Franklin. Yes, that is quite the shift
1:09:18
from Soundgarden. Oh, but I'm excited.
1:09:22
Oh, but I'm excited. So Aretha Franklin, all right.
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I never. What was it?
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I never loved the man the way I love.
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You. Did I get it?
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Yeah. All right.
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Very good. So get ready.
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Go ahead and start. Here's what you can do.
1:09:48
Take a playlist. Go to Super Unknown.
1:09:52
Go to Soundgarden and Aretha Franklin, throw those two albums
1:09:57
in a single playlist and hit shuffle and get music whiplash
1:10:02
listening to the 2. That's basically my life songs
1:10:05
playlist so that. Way you'll be prepared for us in
1:10:09
a couple of weeks and you can listen to what we just did.
1:10:13
Go listen to Falling Slowly. Phoebe Bridgers.
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That was difficult to say. Phoebe Bridgers, We stayed a
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love and trust on the single soundtrack.
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We got some socials out there at Barbara Cuts pod.
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Other than that, I got nothing else.
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See you next time. I'm Todd.
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And I'm Riley. This is another episode of
1:10:36
Barbara Cuts.