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Foxworth Friday Chiefs seek revenge, Bills vs. Ravens, Aaron Rodgers last stand | 09.05 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Foxworth Friday. Dominique Foxworth, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's football Friday too, which like as a country,
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  Speaker 2: we all love football and it's fun, but also as
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  Speaker 2: an industry.
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  Speaker 1: It's a game changer. It's a game changer. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: do you like my Honolulu blue t-shirt? It's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: It is gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I just got it in the mail. I got
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  Speaker 1: my hoodie for the cold season, but I needed something
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  Speaker 1: a little Right now. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: How y'all feeling, though? Like, with the coordinators and.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we have an incredible roster and a
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  Speaker 1: great head coach. That's how I feel. We gonna see...
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy's and Joe's, baby. Like, you know, let's not get
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  Speaker 1: ourselves too caught up on these. Especially with the approach. Like, look,
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  Speaker 1: they had a very good offense and they was running
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  Speaker 1: some plays. But when you think about it, I don't
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  Speaker 1: get the feeling that Dan Campbell is out here like,
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  Speaker 1: we gonna beat y'all with scheme. No. That's not what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to do. We're gonna beat you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing what the next move, because
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  Speaker 2: we talked about this before. I think with coaches, it's
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  Speaker 2: like we're quick to give somebody the genius label when
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  Speaker 2: they have done something successful. But whether we use the
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  Speaker 2: term genius or not, that those tip top of the
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  Speaker 2: league minds are they need to be able to have
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  Speaker 2: a couple moves. We need to test you a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of different ways. And like, we seeing that with Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDaniel down in Miami now, like that man, he, he
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  Speaker 2: had one good idea. And now we try to figure out, like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I say that to say about Ben Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, there's plenty to point to. That's really good.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, this, when I start picking teams that
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  Speaker 2: I think are going to have great seasons, I start
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  Speaker 2: with the old line. If you got a good old line,
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  Speaker 2: A lot of y'all, I mean, you have a luxury
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  Speaker 2: to be trickier than most teams can be. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: see what happens with him. But y'all still got that
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  Speaker 2: O-line minus rack now. Y'all be all right.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say the concern is on the inside, right? That's
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  Speaker 1: where you got it. And it's interesting seeing like the
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  Speaker 1: people who know more about offensive line stuff than I do.
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  Speaker 1: And they are not nearly as impressed with my guy,
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  Speaker 1: Panay Sewell. As they are, as they say, he is
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  Speaker 1: not the greatest pass blocker. But I feel like the
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  Speaker 1: way he run block, what we say about his pass
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  Speaker 1: blocking is almost being like, yo, they say that boy
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  Speaker 1: Dirk can't dribble. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: And it makes it easier for you to pass block,
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  Speaker 2: especially we got a play play action centric offense like that.
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  Speaker 2: replace the people on the inside that reminds me a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of the Eagles and I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you know this but they we talked about it last
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  Speaker 2: year how they was putting tackles at guard they went
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  Speaker 2: and found another one like they lost they lost Makai
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  Speaker 2: Becton and they got another 6'6 350 pounder I think Yeah, they– Oh, damn, because.
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  Speaker 1: I was just talking with Golf on Wednesday with Landon
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  Speaker 1: Dickerson being hurt and with Becton being out of there
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  Speaker 1: that they might not be as– like, they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be as good as they were last year because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's possible to be as good
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  Speaker 1: as they were last year, though that's the argument to
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  Speaker 1: make against the Lions also. The difference is they mind. So, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's not going to get you very far
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  Speaker 1: here on the riggy right, Todd.
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  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Tyler Steen is the one that, I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: played a good amount last year, but he's the replacement
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  Speaker 2: for Makai Beckton. Everybody else is back. I mean, well,
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  Speaker 2: injuries is a different story, but yeah, their whole line
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  Speaker 2: is pretty much intact. But I mean, you got two
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  Speaker 2: guys that could be argued the best at their position
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  Speaker 2: at tackles. Them fellas on the inside and Tyler Steen
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  Speaker 2: is 6'6, 320, which is not Makai Beckton, but But
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  Speaker 2: sooner or later, they're going to catch on. All you
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  Speaker 2: guys got these D tackles that you got because they
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  Speaker 2: can pass rush. We ain't fucking with that in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, look here. Look here. Somewhere, the next 10, Washington. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually surprising because the mountainous defensive tackle kind of
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  Speaker 1: got legislated out a little bit, but not entirely. I
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  Speaker 1: guess the demands on that player became different. You could
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  Speaker 1: no longer be Gilbert Brown. Maybe you could be Sam Adams.
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  Speaker 1: Sam Adams, before he got to be a giant, was
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  Speaker 1: an All-American champion. defensive end, like edge rusher type. Like
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  Speaker 1: that's what he was on the way up. Maybe you
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  Speaker 1: got to be Dexter Lawrence, right? Where you have that
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  Speaker 1: at like, where are those guys or have those guys
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  Speaker 1: been reap? I think I saw this once as a
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  Speaker 1: thing about the state of Texas and the players are
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  Speaker 1: produced because for a while, the state was not really
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  Speaker 1: producing interior defensive linemen because the players that possess that
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  Speaker 1: athleticism were being made to play offensive line because that's
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  Speaker 1: what was more valuable for what the game was if
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  Speaker 1: they would play it. Are we going to have to
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  Speaker 1: start seeing some of these offensive linemen where you're going
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  Speaker 1: to need to start keeping them at defensive tap?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. I know when I was
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  Speaker 2: growing up, and I assume it was the same particularly
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  Speaker 2: in Texas, is if there's a fat kid, they tell
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  Speaker 2: him you should play football. I feel like that might
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  Speaker 2: have changed because there ain't really that many. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's big, but There were a couple kids on my
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  Speaker 2: high school team that couldn't play football, but we just
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  Speaker 2: thought through our minds, you know what fat kids do?
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  Speaker 2: They play football.
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  Speaker 1: You got to give it a try. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that has changed because nobody's fat in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL anymore. Everybody big, but nobody fat no more. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I have two hypotheses that I will throw out here.
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  Speaker 1: I am not saying any of them are correct. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying any of them are what I think. I
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  Speaker 1: am throwing them out here so that we can engage
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  Speaker 1: in the scientific method and perhaps decide what we got here.
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  Speaker 1: One of them is because we are pushing kids into
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  Speaker 1: high level sports so early in their lives that they
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  Speaker 1: don't even really get no chance to be fat. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like you already like conditioning them up. and getting them
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  Speaker 1: to where they need to be, right? So that's number one,
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  Speaker 1: because I ain't gonna lie, I see a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fat kids out here in these streets, brother. Like, they here.
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  Speaker 1: They here. Even in this walking-ass city, man, it's still,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of double-stuffed kids out here in these streets.
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  Speaker 1: And what we may have number two, where you saying that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they not making them kids play football like that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's some combination of y'all don't be making kids
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  Speaker 1: do nothing anymore that they don't feel like doing, which
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  Speaker 1: ties into what may be the next level of the
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  Speaker 1: hypothesis is what if, I mean, it stands to reason
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  Speaker 1: if we have a lazier set of kids that we've
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  Speaker 1: ever had before. And I don't know if that's true,
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  Speaker 1: but if that were the case, right, that would then
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  Speaker 1: mean we also got the laziest fat kids we've ever had. I, fair,
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  Speaker 1: but I also think that there was at least for the,
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the things about football that was kind
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  Speaker 1: of cool and different because it was the place where
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  Speaker 1: a kid like that could feel like they had some value,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was like, there's no, nobody's like.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other sport that we're like, Hey, you're perfect
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  Speaker 2: for this. It's like being the tall guy. They're like, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you're perfect for this. I think the demands of the
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  Speaker 2: game are, have changed even at the lower level where
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  Speaker 2: they pass more than they did back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: but not as much as they do at the higher levels.
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  Speaker 2: It's still just such a fast paced game. spread out game.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's because there ain't no fat offensive lineman
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  Speaker 1: no more. That part is not a guard, not anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Dang, man.
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  Speaker 1: So we got to find something for him to do, baby.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just, all these kinds of things, man, you
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  Speaker 1: just can't be leaving these people out here with nothing
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  Speaker 1: to do and no identity. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: I know you weren't making this accusation, but for anybody
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  Speaker 2: who does feel this way, I do have one defense
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  Speaker 2: for the lazy kid. I don't think the lazy kid
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  Speaker 2: is always the fat kid. That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of lazy kids.
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  Speaker 2: And there's also a lot of fat kids. Well, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not a lot, but there are fat kids.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that they are the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are the same thing. And in the defense,
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  Speaker 2: and I actually learned this when I retired, in the
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  Speaker 2: defense of those kids, genetics is strong, boy. They are strong.
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  Speaker 2: Because I stopped playing and stopped working out. shit's still
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  Speaker 2: cool it's just because i was born that.
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  Speaker 1: Way i've learned i'm not the person that's allowed to
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  Speaker 1: offer any measure of judgment for people who struggle with
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  Speaker 1: weight in that direction because i can't yeah i can't
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  Speaker 1: relate i gained like fetid pounds in a very short
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  Speaker 1: period of time and the people who knew me could
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  Speaker 1: kind of see it the people who didn't couldn't believe
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  Speaker 1: it they were like what do you mean What the
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  Speaker 1: hell did you look like before, right?
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  Speaker 2: I felt like that I wanted to defend them because
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  Speaker 2: I think for most of my life, because I was
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  Speaker 2: such an intense athlete, I was like, yeah, my body's
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  Speaker 2: like this. because I worked so hard. Then I stopped
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  Speaker 2: working hard. It was like, my shit was fine. And
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  Speaker 2: so now I looked at these other people like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they got full-time jobs. They probably working pretty hard and
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  Speaker 2: eating right. But you can't really beat them jeans, man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I am going to say this, man. If all
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  Speaker 1: you need in this world is in the phone, Then
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  Speaker 1: you ain't necessarily going to be if you ain't out
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  Speaker 1: here running around, you know what I'm saying? Just out
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  Speaker 1: there with the kids. Hey, man. Well, I will go
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  Speaker 1: out there and get hit all the time. That seems preposterous.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of preposterous, I think we are underestimating or don't
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  Speaker 1: talk nearly enough about the idea that even though they
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  Speaker 1: got the brakes beat off from the last time, the
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  Speaker 1: Chiefs have gone to the Super Bowl three years in
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  Speaker 1: a row and are about to like. suit up to
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  Speaker 1: maybe go for the fourth. First game, Friday night in Brazil.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get captured, as RTJ would say. Don't get kidnapped,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm sure they do. them when they first got
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  Speaker 1: down there uh to brazil they are playing against um
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  Speaker 1: the charges um you know i'm very good friends i
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  Speaker 1: was about to say very good friends with my buddy
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  Speaker 1: nick but that is redundant But I have been listening
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  Speaker 1: and watching online to a lot of Nick's defenses of
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs, which all are always plausible because Nick is captain, argument,
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  Speaker 1: and structure. But at the same time, I do get
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  Speaker 1: the feeling that people are kind of like sleeping on
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here. Like, I feel like their record
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  Speaker 1: won't be as good as last year, but they will
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  Speaker 1: be better than they were last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that that's boring to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: But by and large, I think most people agree. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that anybody, if you ask them, think
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  Speaker 2: that the Chiefs are– not going to be good. There's
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  Speaker 2: some people who are arguing like the Broncos have a
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  Speaker 2: chance of taking a division from them. Like, of course,
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  Speaker 2: they got a chance. They're good enough. But what? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: who put money on it? Like, who really, really is like,
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  Speaker 2: I got the Broncos. I think there's some people who
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  Speaker 2: believe it's possible. Not many people who I think are
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  Speaker 2: going to pick them. And then on top of it, like,
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  Speaker 2: we seen them. We have seen it before. And the
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  Speaker 2: real scary part is the way that they kind of
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  Speaker 2: perfected a different way to win last year. And those tight,
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  Speaker 2: close games is something that we have faith in them
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  Speaker 2: to do. I don't think it's going to be, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they're going to have the same type of
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  Speaker 2: offense where it's just like seven-man protections anytime they want
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  Speaker 2: to go deep. If this Josh Simmons guy is as
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  Speaker 2: good as Louis Riddick and other people who I know
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  Speaker 2: know what they're talking about, tell me he is at tackle.
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  Speaker 2: And they got multiple dudes who run sub-4-3, sub, submarine, beneath.
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  Speaker 2: Under 4.3 seconds, man. More than one of them on
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  Speaker 2: the same roster. Like, I get it. Rasheed Rice, get
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  Speaker 2: him back eventually after suspension, and he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to move the chains and offer something different. I
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  Speaker 2: don't give a damn what you say. The boys can fly.
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  Speaker 2: That's scary.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I don't know if there's,
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  Speaker 1: and you tell me if I'm wrong here, but I
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  Speaker 1: feel like there is no position in the league where
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  Speaker 1: a team, if you're going into, we'll call it the
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  Speaker 1: top 15 or 20 in the draft, need a tackle,
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  Speaker 1: see a tackle, take a tackle. We're good for 10 years, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like from day one, we are good. You see a tackle,
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  Speaker 1: need a tackle, take a tackle. You do that right there.
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  Speaker 1: Dust them hands and keep it moving.
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  Speaker 2: And they got him at the end of the draft
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  Speaker 2: because of injury concerns. I've been told by people who
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  Speaker 2: watch college line play. I watch college stuff when I
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  Speaker 2: get ready for the draft, but I don't watch college
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  Speaker 2: line play. I take your word for it. I watch
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  Speaker 2: some college line highlights, but I'm not about to break
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  Speaker 2: down a bunch of line film. He looks like an athlete.
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  Speaker 2: I've been told that he's a great tackle. And this
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  Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of the We overplay, I think,
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl window on the rookie quarterback contract. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I think we overplay that as a thing. Like, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: it's a thing. But I think you can obviously build
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  Speaker 2: a team without that once you've paid your quarterback. But
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  Speaker 2: I think the real story is superstar talent on a
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  Speaker 2: rookie contract at important positions. So, like, if they found
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  Speaker 2: a tackle who's a Pro Bowl-level tackle– Like Lou Riddick
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  Speaker 2: told me he saw him as all pro level. If
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  Speaker 2: you got that for four years, five years, price control,
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  Speaker 2: and you got that quarterback, that's almost like having a quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just as good as having like a
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  Speaker 2: starting level quarterback, not a superstar. It's different. You have
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  Speaker 2: a superstar quarterback. Like a starting level quarterback on a
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  Speaker 2: rookie deal is, to me, almost as valuable because you're
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  Speaker 2: going to spend that money building up around that quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: If you can spend that money on your quarterback because
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  Speaker 2: he's a future Hall of Famer and maybe the best
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  Speaker 2: we've ever seen, and on weapons around him and improving
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  Speaker 2: that defense, I think that is just as much a
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  Speaker 2: benefit as anything else.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I also think that hitting on winners in rounds
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  Speaker 1: two through four is probably underrated. I think about the
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  Speaker 1: Legion of Boom Seahawks. And look at what they did
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  Speaker 1: in those rounds, basically in, like, the same run of
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years, right? Richard Sherman, Cam Chancellor, Bobby Wagner, um...
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  Speaker 1: there's another one I'm not thinking of off the top
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  Speaker 1: of my head, but like they got those guys at
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  Speaker 1: the cheap places. And of course what happens is they
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  Speaker 1: all come up for deals at the same time. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's the, that's the trick bag of it. But
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  Speaker 1: if you can get those dudes, like the thing with
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles is the Eagles have zillions of good players
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  Speaker 1: on those early deals. Like we talking about those defensive tackles.
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  Speaker 1: They got Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter and, and. Cool.
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  Speaker 1: And what do you do?
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  Speaker 2: They back out that man playing safety. They moved him.
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  Speaker 2: They moved him. He's nickel in safety now. It happened eventually.
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  Speaker 2: It was coming. Shout out Riley Moss holding it down.
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  Speaker 1: You talking about our man Coop?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, our man Coop.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, man? They so loaded. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, okay. But they're going to play against the Chargers, man.
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  Speaker 1: And how long are we going to keep letting Justin
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  Speaker 1: Herbert get away with this? Ugh.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, he lost his tackle too. Speaking of important to tackle,
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  Speaker 2: Sean Slater is out, which like that changes everything particularly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they have their other tackles really good too,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Alt. But I mean, it's still, it's not the same, man.
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  Speaker 2: Especially when you're building this team around the Harbaugh philosophies.
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  Speaker 2: This is not the same, but yeah, I mean, there's, yeah,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: you know, run out of excuses. It's so funny how our, our,
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  Speaker 2: our priors and our opinions, we like stick to them because, uh, Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the reaction to Justin Herbert would be a lot different
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  Speaker 2: if people had different opinions of him headed in. I
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  Speaker 2: think the things that he does are pretty impressive and great,
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  Speaker 2: and I can get behind it. I understand why people
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  Speaker 2: are attracted to him as a talent. But if he
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  Speaker 2: was a pick that was later in the draft that
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  Speaker 2: we didn't respect and we weren't enamored with some of
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  Speaker 2: the big play stuff, there'd be some real serious criticism.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's coming. I think it's coming.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I would make this point. He was drafted a
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: year ahead of Trevor Lawrence. And the heat has arrived
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: for Trevor Lawrence. This is the year on Lawrence where
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: we're asking these questions. It was Herbert who blew the
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: 27-0 lead in the playoffs to Trevor Lawrence's team. Not
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: vice versa. Yet we are still holding out maybe just maybe.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: And now Herbert is in one of the biggest no
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: excuses situations a quarterback can have, which is your coach
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: is Jim Harbaugh, right? Like that's the guy we trust
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: on these things as much as anybody else there is.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: If he can't get it done this year, I mean,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: it's not like they're going to trade him or anything
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: like that. Like it's not like they can go find
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: a better one, but the heat is there. I think
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: this is a case where the Chargers not having no
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: home city and only having so many fans really comes
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: in handy.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty nice. It's pretty nice when people only care.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: when you make the playoffs and then there's not a
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: whole groundswell of people being pissed off when you blow
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: a big lead. Yeah. I, it's one of those things
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: where Justin Herbert has the, the uncoachable stuff, man. And
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: that's always going to be incredibly enticing. And he's put
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: it together enough times. Like that's, it reminds me a
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: little bit of like Kyler Murray in that, whereas Kyler
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Murray has some more obvious, like, like the size issue
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: where people are quicker to be out on them. and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: a personality that I think is a little easier for
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: people to be out on. But it's been similar in
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that there are stretches where I'm like, damn, he, he
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: wanted him once. And then there's stretches where it's like, nah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And then he does things that like nobody else can
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: do this. And I think Justin Herbert fits in the
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: same category where it's like some of those throws and athleticism,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, it's worth sticking around. And then he
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: puts it together for a long enough stretch that you
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: can imagine that he could do it for extended period
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: of time. Yeah, I wouldn't give up on him either.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't really talk about how cold Kyler Murray
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: is just in terms of like what it is that
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: he is capable of doing. It looked like Darren Rowe
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: running when he running because he's like legs be going
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: in that circle. You know what I'm saying? Like you
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: see that, but I'm trying to think of a quarterback
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: his size where when we talk about the criticisms of him,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we don't bring them back to his size. Like he
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: overcomes all of the things that, that he should not
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: be able to overcome on a size level.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: It's just the other things. Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: That's one of my, one of my friends, his, his,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: one of his go-tos was like, I want you to
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: appreciate the distance I traveled. And we were talking about
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: like school and other things like that. Like, yeah, I
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: got to be, but I didn't go to one class
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: and I just studied the night before. Let's appreciate what
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I overcame. And I feel like Murray, we could have
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the same conversation where it's like, we like, man, but
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you ain't, but you ain't put it all together for
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a stretch. You're not on a level with Mahomes, Allen
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and them. You're not up there.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: But guys, do you have any clue what I had
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to do to get here? I don't think you do. Like, like,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that's like, for the way you talking to me right now.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying? I don't think you realized it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: uh speaking of the distance travel as you and i
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: have talked about for a long time and i hate
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: that i feel like i have to give this this
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: preface every time because otherwise somebody always won't come say
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: something to you about it you know but y'all were
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Premature adopters of Josh Allen. We, while later than you guys,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I believe showed up right on time and we are
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: now all here together. Uh, we get Buffalo and Baltimore
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Sunday night to open the season. Um, I wish that
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: they would give the MVP out before the game so
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that Lamar Jackson could have his Hakeem Olajuwon moment. Hey, man,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that's my MVP. The difference is when that happened with
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Olajuwon and David Robinson, it really was David Robinson's MVP.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And in this case, there's just no way around it, man.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I think I got mad when I said it to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: someone because they didn't know the context, but the truth is,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: The voters just felt like giving Josh Allen an MVP.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: They thought it would be a nice thing to do.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: That's the only way that you could rationalize him being
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: second team all pro and being the MVP and the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: voters being the same. It's the only way that you
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: could do that. The thing is, that boy is cold, cold, cold, cold. Like,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: let us, let us, like, it's not the heat. It's
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: not an MVP caliber type of talent, right? But if
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: this were a Michael, and I'm not saying everybody got
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to be Michael Jordan, but can you imagine if Lamar
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Jackson was Michael Jordan? He put up 500 yards rushing
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and 300 yards passing in these games. He put up
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: numbers like they was playing against Army. You know what
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? This is going to be such an interesting game.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But before I came here to record, I was seeing something.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I think it was on one of the ESPN shows.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And it was a discussion about this is the year
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: for Baltimore to put it all together. Kind of no excuses.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, how does this not apply to Buffalo? Like,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's a fair argument to make about each
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: of those teams, which is what I think makes this
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: more interesting. It's not with those two teams. It's not
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a matter of you got to get over each other.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It don't matter about each other no more. Y'all supposed
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to go to the Super Bowl after we just got
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: through talking about the Chiefs. Like, these are the cats
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that feel like the dudes at the same time as Jordan.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you could argue that their best opportunity has
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: passed for both teams already, given that the Chiefs might
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: be back on the come up and address their issues
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: with their offensive deficiencies. But I think so.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: The reason why I think that people make the argument
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: about the Ravens is like, I think it's clear that
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the Ravens overall roster is better, but they don't have
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the same benefit that the Bills have in a division
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that they got at least four, four dubs right there
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: that we're going to count up, maybe six. And that's tough.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: But I think I obviously do those shows. And so
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that question has been presented to me and been invited
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: for me to make that take about the Ravens. I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: can't do it because it's every damn year, man. Like
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's been like that for five years.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: As soon as Lamar Jackson was playing MVP level football.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And I think they might've been 14 and two. That
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: might've been before there was 17 games maybe, but they
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: were just, they just been just great. Simply great. Since
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Lamar fully took over. So I, I have a hard
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: time and I think we did it so many times.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: We have a short memory. We've done it so many
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: times with the Ravens that I feel stupid even saying it. We're,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: they had the first round by like, this is their
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: best chance. They better not blow it. Guess what? They
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: back at it again. Guess what? They back at it again.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: This organization has really well run, always has a good
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: roster and has a quarterback in his prime. I feel
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: like an idiot saying about the Ravens or the bills
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that this is your last best chance. Cause it ain't
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: long as those guys are there. It ain't.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And the Ravens blew it. I mean, I don't want
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: to take credit away from the team that won and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: act like they did not win the game, but the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Ravens gave that game away. Like I think in watching it, yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: It was a, the moments have overwhelmed Lamar up until
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this point. I think that's a fair point to make.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: And you could see it as soon as the mistakes
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: would start early, come to the sidelines, slamming that helmet.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh boy. Like I went to the US
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Open the other day and tennis is so interesting to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: watch because you can just watch people crack. You know
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like there's nowhere to hide. You're out
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: there all by yourself. And you could tell sometimes very early,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: oh man, he ain't gonna win. Like he has already
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: begun to come unglued. This is going to happen. Lamar
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: felt like it. This was the first time he didn't
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: feel like he was coming unglued and he's made all
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the throws late that you need to make. Now, Mark Andrews,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: he was in pieces for reasons that I don't quite
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: understand by the time that game was over. But to me,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: even without the win, that felt like a big hurdle.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Like Josh Allen had his game that you and I
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: will talk about forever in 2019, where he came unglued
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and he threw that ball down the field at that fullback, a.k.a.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: square body, right? And then he has some panic in
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: him still, right? But he has largely gotten rid of that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: And I think that may be what it comes down
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to for both sides on them is which one of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: them cats If they come up against each other, which
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is entirely possible in the same round, maybe not the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: same stadium, it's just a matter of whether you can
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: stay glued because talent ain't going to be the issue
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: with either of them. Execution, like Lamar has become such
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a good passer that I can't believe that people are
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: still trying to hold out on the idea that somehow
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: he is lacking as a passer. No, no, no, no, no, man.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: He's that guy, man. He's that guy.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, that can't be real, people saying that. I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: don't think anybody actually means that. if they've watched the
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: last few seasons. But the thing about, like, I have
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a hard time really hesitant, and I know you're not
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: saying this specifically, but, like, the implication is, like, there's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: something about the pressure of those moments that changes these players. And, like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I get how different it feels you lead up to it,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: but once you get out there, like, you're just kind
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: of playing. So it's hard to attribute it to anything
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: else for Lamar because it's just weird and there's enough
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: games now where it hasn't worked out. But I think
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: there's one thing to point to is, He bounced back
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: because you could say he was unglued in the first half.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: He bounced back. I think Josh Allen is different because
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: he's had so many of these games in the playoffs
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: where we're like, hey, yeah, he played well enough to win.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson has, I mean, undoubtedly had fewer of those.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: But that's where I'm not moved by that argument because
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: generally I don't believe that there's some big difference in
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: the same way that in basketball there's some big difference.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: But I guess there is.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: To me, I just think no matter what it is
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: we're talking about or where it is, some people rattle
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and some people don't. If we take it down from
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the level of excellence, it is very clear that Sam
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Darnold rattles. We saw that happen two games in a row.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: That team went 14-3 last year and you came away
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: from it like, yeah, I can't wait with that guy.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Some dudes, those moments, I think Tennis, for me, is
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the fun example to use because since it's an individual sport,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: as happens in golf, we're more forgiving of when people
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: have these moments and they come unglued. It happens. Everybody
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: is capable of that thing happening. And for some people,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: they get out there, and no matter what the thing is,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: they shake it off, and they're all good. We've all
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: done television with people before who get out there, and
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: it gets them. And for whatever reason, they can't get
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: themselves out of it. And so the problem with the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: playoffs is even if... You ultimately shake it off. All
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the minutes is precious. You know what I mean? And
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: like you were only caught up for eight minutes of
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: game action. Well, unfortunately, brother, that might have been too long.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I guess that second half looked like the Lamar that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: we see in the regular season.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: 100%. It didn't look like.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And that is not much. It's the smallest of small
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: sample sizes. But if we're talking about this as if–
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and I am completely– believe that there's some things that
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: we can't explain and we don't understand as much as
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I think the, the statistics try to explain and understand everything.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: So if I'm to accept that there's, that this is
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: a psychological block in some way, then I think that
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: second half would feel good because it felt like he
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: did the most difficult thing. It's not only to play
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: well in that moment is to play shitty in that
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: moment and then play well in that moment.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Like, I thought it was... To me, even watching it,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is the most encouraging thing
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: that can happen outside of a win. Mm-hmm.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, this happened. All right, we're going to have
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to shake this off. Like, when you reach a place,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: no matter what this is, to tell yourself that you
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: were bigger than the last mistake that you made and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that that does not matter. And I felt like in
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: that game, he didn't play well in the first half,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like he came apart. Like, I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like the loss of composure had taken place
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: as it had in those other games. So to me, like,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that to me was what was huge.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: But I also.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I know that if you are going to be a
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: two-time MVP, because we got this bad thing now because
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: we have access to so much data and so many statistics.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It's what happened that year that we gave the MVP
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: to Embiid instead of Jokic in the NBA. And it
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: became a matter of, well, if he's a three-time MVP,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: then that means he's in the same rarefied air as
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: these people. Therefore, he does not belong in... We don't
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: think he belongs in this air. Therefore, we can't give
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: him the third MVP. And that's not how the logic works, right? Like...
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Tim Lincecum and Johan Santana have won two Cy Young Awards.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: They're not going to go to the Hall of Fame.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Like it happens like that sometimes. Like this could perhaps
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: be some kind of statistical anomaly. OK. Not the biggest
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: deal in the world. Right. Lamar Jackson is a two-plus
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: MVP type. He will then be evaluated against all the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: other people who have two-plus MVPs. He always will. And
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I think eventually they'll get it done. It's just funny
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: because in the meantime, these boys can't even beat the Chiefs.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: All the boys that we talk about.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: That is true.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Only Joe Burrow over there being like, well, you know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that one time.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And it's it's funny I um I re-watched that game
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: a couple seasons ago and Joe Burrow tried to give
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: it away it's just it's just and so like we
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: did we spent a lot of time with Josh on
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson and like Josh Allen obviously has these incredible
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: games and could have beaten it in a similar way
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: that the Ravens could have beaten the Bills if the
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: tat if the tight end caught the ball the Chiefs
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: or the Bills could have beaten the Chiefs if their
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: tight end caught the ball so like we don't have
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: those same postseason questions about Josh Allen because he's risen
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to those moments in a way that is, we can
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: obviously with eyes say like, all right, well, any reason
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: why it doesn't happen is not because of him. I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: will say this about the Joe Burrow game that, that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: anyone who's making the argument that he's in the neighborhood
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: with these other guys is those games are decided by
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: such slim margins. And that man hit a linebacker in
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the chest and the most pivotal drive of the game.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Like I get, That the linebacker dropped the ball and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: what he did after that was great. And then what
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: he did in the Super Bowl was awesome. But to
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that point, we decide such big ranking and opinion decisions
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: on such random things. Because again, Charlie got some heat
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: last week for doing on my show. He made a joke,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: but it's kind of true. It's like how the quarterback
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: rankings are really just tight end rankings. because Kelsey had
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a great playoffs that made Mahomes look good, and Mark
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Andrews dropped that pass, and the Bills tied in. Which
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: one was it? I think it was.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: It was Kincaid.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Kincaid dropped that pass. It's like, if Andrews catches that pass,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Lamar might be a Super Bowl champion and win the top.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: If Kincaid, same thing, whatever, if Kelsey doesn't work out.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: But it's just funny, because... We use that thing for
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Burrow as a deciding factor all the time. It's like,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: but he beat him. He got to a Super Bowl.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: You go back through and see some of the mistakes
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that could have kept him out of it. And same
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: thing goes the other way.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: All right. We're going to chill for a minute. Come back.
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  Speaker 1: back with Dominique Fosworth. This will be my ninth football
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: season in New York City. And yes, I paid the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: money for the package to watch all the games, but
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: it's still cool to just have the games on your
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: regular television. You know what I'm saying? And living here
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: has been awful because you don't have just one bad team,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: but you also have two bad teams. that are occupying
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: your television space. However, I feel like, I don't know
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: what the Jets are gonna be this year, right? They
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: switched out Aaron Rodgers for Justin Fields and they will
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: play against the Steelers, put a pin in that, we'll
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: talk about it. But I have to say, I am
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: very curious to watch these New York Giants play. If
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: for no other reason then, they gonna be getting after
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the quarterback. I don't know if they gonna be able
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to score no points. But, man, you do not want
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to get third and long against those boys.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That is true. I mean, there are going to be
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of first down runs against them. I think
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: we're going to try to get something short passes. Like,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: you don't want to be in third and eight, third
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: and nine. I think you just automatically, like, auto punt
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: because they all look ridiculously talented. It's stupid. And you
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: better counter your quarterback to score some points early so
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: that you can maintain a two-way go. Can you imagine
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: being down 14 at the half? You come against them.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: You come on out and like, ah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: That Abdul Carter look like he the real-a-dilla.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Pin them ears back. That's what they say. I don't
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: even know what that is referenced to. But you go
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: ahead and pin them back. Just go ahead and pin
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: them things back because they are coming. But, yeah, I
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: hope it works out for them, though, because that– That offense,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I think, has obviously much bigger question marks. They got
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: neighbors who could be a problem, or not could be,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: who is a problem.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Well, he could be another problem if they don't throw
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the damn ball. I've seen this particular model of wide
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: receiver before. I know how that goes when you waste them.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they gonna throw him the ball. What else they
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: gonna do with the football? Right? There's not an embarrassment
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of options for that team. and the coaches with their
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: back against the wall. I don't know. I'm not standing
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: for any coaches or GMs, but I generally feel like
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: what the Giants have done to a lot of their
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: high-profile choices, like the draft pick, the quarterback draft picks,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and some of their other draft picks, honestly, and their
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: coach and general manager put them in positions where they
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: can't win. Like, this is... I think Mara said in
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: the offseason that he's going to be keeping a close eye. Like,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: they asked if his coach was on a hot seat,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: the owner of the team. He's like, I'm going to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: be keeping a close eye. Like, don't. You are creating
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: an extra distraction and problem for your team that doesn't
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: have to be there. So, I don't know.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Second generation. Second generation. It's that next generation owner. Faith. They,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that's the kind of, that's the guy that got to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: make it seem like you're doing something right. For people
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: who don't know New York, the Maris and the Tishes
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that own these teams, man, they real classy. Like they, they,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: they super, that Tish money all over this city. Everywhere
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you go, they got something somewhere, right? And so that
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: second generation, that level of second generation money, I can
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: tell you, that young man, well, he ain't young, but
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I can tell right now, he ain't never really been
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: good at nothing. They get a football team to the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: kid that can't do nothing because how could it possibly fail?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: They just sold 10% of that team for a billion dollars.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Did you see who they sold it to? Uh-uh. The
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: widow of one of them Koch brothers. Oh, sheesh. yeah
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: it's happening.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Um who else got that money yeah but but.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: That but here's the thing that means the giants were
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: 10 billion dollars and if the giants were 10 billion
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: dollars jerry jones down there being like yeah tell me
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: how i don't know what i'm doing okay um but
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: no they gonna be getting at it they play against
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: washington who i think is built for regression and what
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: i think is interesting about washington is that There is
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: typically a Cliff Kingsbury regression during a season, and that
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: did not happen this year. And so I am very
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: curious what happens now that everybody's got a year of
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: film on him, year of film on the quarterback. What
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: are they going to do?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get all the signs, the fourth
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: down situation and the close games. And obviously the talent
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: on this team was not. what um it's not commensurate
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: with a conference final appearance.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And catching the best team in the nfl when they
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: were simply depleted by injuries that come from all their
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: hard work finally working against them on a john henry
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: type of situation but you go ahead and finish what
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you was talking about bro yeah.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Um yeah they're yours they're yours because because they're yours
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: um yeah that all is true however some people are
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: regression proof and there's a possibility and they've made a
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: addition to this team to make the team better i
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: i don't know how much better the team actually has
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: gotten from these additions but the question is is jayden
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: daniels better which is reasonable to assume. And of course
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: he could take a step back as some quarterbacks do
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in their second year, but he could also repeat or
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: he could also perform even better than he did last year.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: And these, those one score games that could go the
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: other way this year, they won't be one score game.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: And those fourth down conversions that you might need to
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: convert that you're not going to convert at a hundred
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: percent rate next year. You may not even see that
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: fourth down if you're dealing with a different level quarterback.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And also like, it's possible that the fourth down, like
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: some teams, they say red zone is a, is an
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: area where like, it kind of goes up, up and
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: down and fluctuates. It's not necessarily a determining factor of
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: how good your team is. There's some teams that just
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: good at the red zone. Like the numbers over the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: history of Cam Newton in the red zone, pretty damn good.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: There's some players who can break the regression. And I
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: think it's possible that Jane dance is that guy.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Now I brought up the jets and the Steelers. The
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Steelers have some, 2011 or 12 Philadelphia Eagles, it feel
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: like a dream team elements to them, right? Like making
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the trade to get Jalen Ramsey, for example, sort of
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: thing that they typically don't do. They made the move
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to get DJ Metcalf. They did a lot of things
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to get a lot cracking, but they also went and
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: got a very old man to play quarterback. And I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: don't know what to make of this team because I'm
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: not sure what exactly Aaron Rodgers has left.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: That's, that's, that's the question. I think the, you can
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: make the argument that a year removed from the Achilles
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: is even better, which like not the argument, like that's
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: a true thing that most people who recover from that
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: surgery would, would say, but he also is a year
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: older and this offense looks nothing like the offenses that
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: he's had success in. And so it may not quite
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: pan out the way that they want it to. And I,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: The expectations for this team are not as high as
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: they were for that Eagles dream team. And expectations for
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers aren't that high. But the problem is the patience.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: It feels like it's run out, at least for the fans,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: probably not for the ownership. But around that team, the
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: expectations are higher than I think they should be. Because
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: they're like, we need a playoff win. I don't care
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: if we make it to the playoffs. I don't care
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: if we're over 500. We need a playoff win. And
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: so whatever version of Aaron Rodgers you think you're going
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: to get, it's not going to be the top tier
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: version of Aaron Rodgers. And to get a playoff win
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: in the AFC, especially if you don't win the division,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: which I don't think we think they're going to beat
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: the Ravens for, you're going to have to beat the Ravens.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to beat the Josh Allen. You're
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: going to have to beat the Patrick Mahomes. Like that
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: is where is like, they might make the playoffs. They
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: might have a great year. They might not. But if
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: they do, the bar is still going to have to
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: be to get past one of these guys, Joe Burrow.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Like you had to get past one of those guys.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I think the fans are perfectly reasonable to be like, Hey,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: we ain't want to play off game with you since
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: there's a president got to be black for us to
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: win games, brother. Is that what it is? Cause that
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: ain't never going to happen again. You know what I'm saying? Like, like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: is that what we got to do? Is that what
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: we got to do? Oh, okay. But I don't know
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: exactly how noisy they're going to get. I think they're
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: going to be the second best team in that division.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Cause I think Cincinnati is just going to give up
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a zillion points. I just don't see any way around
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: them giving up zillions and zillions of points. And then
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the Browns are beginning of the quarterback carousel that will
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: spin all year long. Joe Flacco might be out of
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the game with what they call that osteoporosis. One of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: them other old people, you know, ailments.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: And the quarterback carousel, I guess this goes without saying,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: but it's not because there normally isn't a carousel if
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: it's filled with like really promising quarterbacks. I was going
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: to say that the carousel is not stopped with like
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the type of guys. But yeah, that tends to be
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: the case. There wouldn't be a carousel. If there was
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: a guy over there that was, Oh yeah, that's him.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Now I want to ask you this. Cause I seen
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you talk about this on your podcast. You have a
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: level of optimism about the Indianapolis Colts. That implies the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is not their quarterback.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I have a level of optimism. I mean, I think
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: it's more about how difficult things were for him and
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: New York. I don't think that Daniel Jones is top
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: of the league quarterback. I don't think he's ever been
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: in a situation as good as he's in right now.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And I don't believe that that division, like it's the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Texans defense. The only thing I trust in that division
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Not even the quarterback?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, I trust the quarterback. I don't trust the offensive line.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: The quarterback had a rough year last year and people
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: are arguing that he regressed. the regression was largely tied
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: to the fact that they couldn't keep them off of them, man.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: They couldn't keep them off of.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Them. I just can't imagine my job being, all right,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you go backwards, everybody else is coming forwards, and you know,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: figure some shit out right fast. Like, imagine somebody handing
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you the pig game off the table at the breakfast place.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And you got to do that with people running at you.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Not just people.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: It's not just people. It's the, these, uh, six, three
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: to 80 hyper athletes that we talked about at the
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: top of the show. It's not just people. They trying
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to hurt you.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: And if they hit you, you better not drop the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: peg guy.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Like that. I think that we've talked about this part before.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: That's the most underrated thing is I got to go
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: through all of this. These cats be hitting me and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I can't drop what's in my hand.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, uh, The idea that you can perform
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: under that pressure and still make accurate throws by getting
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: hit in the chin while getting hit in the chin
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: is a trait that I don't think we look for
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: in quarterbacks, but it's something that's hugely valuable because we
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: ain't going to be able to pick them up all
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Hey, man, where are you on this Bo Nix situation?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Because I'm going to need a little bit more, personally. Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that how everyone feels?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I mean... There's a lot of belief. It takes nothing
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: for people to believe in a quarterback, boy. I feel
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like he is in the Mac Jones class until proven otherwise.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all recognize that the offensive
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: line is really good. The coach is really good. That
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: defense is insane. And what they asked of him was
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: not what you ask of. He didn't show the ability
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to be a top-of-the-league quarterback, but it's also partially what
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: they asked of him. I think he did well in
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: fourth quarters. which you could argue means a lot more.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And we should take that in consideration, not just look
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: at the QBR and all of his raw stats. But
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I think he's got to show you, for sure, has
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: to show you some more. I guess maybe Sean Payton
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: is fully bought in, but I would imagine an honest
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: observer is like, yeah, that was an incredible start. We're
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: going to need to take some steps, though, if we
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: want to go where we want to go.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Man, I said on Mina's podcast that I wasn't a
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Bo Nicks believer, and boy, Denver, they all in, boy.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: They are. They are. I guess they thirsty, man.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I love Denver.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: That's right. That's you.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I love Denver.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: It's great.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about the first city you play in.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: It's a special experience. It's a good experience, man. Fresh
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: out of college.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Mountaineer. Mountaineer.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Denver's an underrated city because it's the biggest city.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like, the mile radius, but, like, it's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the biggest city in a real big radius. And so
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: all the states around there and all the cities around there, like,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: they best and brightest go to Denver. Like, if they
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: not going to go to L.A., they going to go
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: to Denver. or Phoenix. So, that was a strong, strong town.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I'll say all that to say. I'll say
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: all that to say. I forgot. Bo Nix, yeah. Oh, oh, oh.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I think that reasonable fans, like, you said they yours.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: There's some things that you can't see clearly about your
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: team because you're so close to them.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't be attacking people about if they
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: say something about Jared Goff. You understand what I'm saying? Like,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I don't be doing that, but they thirstier. They much more,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they thirstier than the day one
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Lions fan like myself, but they thirsty for the glory
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: days of Jake Plummer. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Because you played with Jake and Jay, right? I can't
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: think of playing for two more different human beings than
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: going from playing with Jake Plummer to playing with Jay Cutler.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was Jay Cutler as a rookie, so.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: It was like you, I don't know, you don't get
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: to fully know somebody, not completely comfortable. Well, I guess
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Jay Cutler probably showed up feeling comfortable about everything. But
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: it was a little different experience. Like, Jay Plummer was,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I think, a little bit more of himself. So I
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: didn't get to know. I was surprised by the person
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: that Jay Cutler came. So that's how, as you can tell,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't know him that well. We just was teammates.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: On another day I will tell you well I think
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: I've already told you maybe I'll tell the audience one
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: day how Jay Cutler once inadvertently helped me make millions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars thank you quite a tease.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Ryan is that guy for me It wasn't inadvertent, though.
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  Speaker 2: It was intentional.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan did it for you, boy, huh?
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you not being a bum. Appreciate you.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: You said he threw that touchdown that first play, and
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you was like, oh.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: We might got us something here, man.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me tell you, the beauty of that
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: pass was you had a long time to enjoy it
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and appreciate it, boy, because that was a classic Matt
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Ryan pass, eh, man? Long as it get there, baby.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Ain't no hurry. Ain't no hurry. Just watch it go.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I think it was to Cenk, too. And he wasn't
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: a burner, but he took that bang eight to the crib.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Bang eight. Michael Irvin got people knowing about that bang eight.
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  Speaker 2: Reminded me of that bang eight. Them boys ain't run
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: no plays. It reminds me. They ain't run no plays.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: How come every single play look the same? It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Bang eight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bang, bang. But that is Dominique Fosworth. Check him out
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