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IFH 817: Crafting Stories Frame by Frame with Jason Love · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 2: today's episode with guest host Dave Bullis.
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  Speaker 3: And so On this week's episode, I Have Jason Love.
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  Speaker 4: Jason is an animator, webinar designer, balloon twister, magician, writer,
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  Speaker 4: artist and educator, and he's also self published comics, Pretty
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  Speaker 4: Sure Films, own a screen bringing business, and even.
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  Speaker 3: Performed on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno.
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  Speaker 4: So here we go Episode eighty five with guests Jason Love.
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  Speaker 5: You're listening to the day, Jason, how's everything going?
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  Speaker 6: That's going great. I'm I'm excited to be on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh thank you. By the way, that's an awesome name
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  Speaker 3: to have.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks.
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  Speaker 3: It reminds me of Buddy Love from mod Night Professor.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there's actually quite a few Jason Loves.
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  Speaker 7: That's the only downside to having that name, because somebody
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  Speaker 7: else got the url before I.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I actually know a guy named Lance Love,
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  Speaker 4: and the first time I ever met him, I was like,
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  Speaker 4: that has to be a fake name, and he said no,
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  Speaker 4: He's like, I've had this name since birth.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, every once in a while, people, yeah, they get
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  Speaker 7: excited about it.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, it's cool name to have. I like it.
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  Speaker 4: So Jason, you know, I wanted to answer, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you you started an animation, and I wanted to answer,
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  Speaker 4: you know what got you started to, you know, animating,
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  Speaker 4: at a young age.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, I started animating.
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  Speaker 7: Let's see how well I'm trying to think of early
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  Speaker 7: like I was really into flip books. I guess flip
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  Speaker 7: books would have been like the earliest earliest animation, but
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  Speaker 7: I didn't actually get into playing around with it till college,
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  Speaker 7: and it's.
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  Speaker 6: Hard to say I would.
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  Speaker 7: One of the influence would be is seeing Wallace and Grommitt,
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  Speaker 7: which I watched quite a bit in high school, and
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  Speaker 7: realizing that my drawing skills didn't have to be you know,
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  Speaker 7: you'd see some the Disney animation stuff and you see
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  Speaker 7: the drawing and you're just like, there's no way, there's
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  Speaker 7: no way I'm going to be able to do that.
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  Speaker 7: And then when Wallace and Grommitt came out, I thought, oh, man,
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  Speaker 7: that's I mean, I don't think I necessarily especially the
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  Speaker 7: first one I would say is the most influential, because
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  Speaker 7: it's like not perfect, but it's still a great story.
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  Speaker 7: And it made me realize, oh, you don't have to
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  Speaker 7: be Animation isn't just drawing, it's it's all these other forms.
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  Speaker 7: And so in college I started off with the old
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  Speaker 7: VHS camcorder that was like a giant now it's probably
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  Speaker 7: the size of a Blu ray player, and the first
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  Speaker 7: one I ever did. It would just spend time laps,
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  Speaker 7: time laps of me drawing something, and so I would
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  Speaker 7: draw a little bit, I would hit the record button,
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  Speaker 7: turn the camera off, draw a little more, you know,
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  Speaker 7: and then hit record, hit turned it off. And it
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  Speaker 7: was very unscientific in the sense of like how long
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  Speaker 7: each frame was, but that was the first and then
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  Speaker 7: college college computer lab. I was playing around and I
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  Speaker 7: realized they had Windows movie Maker, and I didn't know
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  Speaker 7: anything really about it, and I don't even remember how
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  Speaker 7: I started playing with it. I think I just thought, hey,
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  Speaker 7: if I can do this on a VHS, I should
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  Speaker 7: be able to do this somehow with this program, even
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  Speaker 7: if it that same logic of like cutting it so
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  Speaker 7: it's you know, basically a clip for a quarter of
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  Speaker 7: a second or whatever. And then I realized with that program,
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  Speaker 7: I think at that time, you could get it down
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  Speaker 7: to zero point eight seconds or no point maybe it
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  Speaker 7: was point three. Anyways, you could get it down to
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  Speaker 7: almost what they would call in animation thirds, which is
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  Speaker 7: like normally twenty four frames a second, but this would
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  Speaker 7: be eight frames, yeah, eight frames per second and so,
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  Speaker 7: which is good enough to create animation, and in fact,
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  Speaker 7: a lot of Wallace and Gromen it depending on what
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  Speaker 7: you're doing, I mean, some of that has shut it
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  Speaker 7: at eight frames a second, depending on how much detail and.
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  Speaker 6: Whatnot you want in the movement.
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  Speaker 7: So and then from there I just kept playing around
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  Speaker 7: with it, and you know, went to film school for
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  Speaker 7: a little while and I ended up dropping out because
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  Speaker 7: they were still using traditional film and I was just
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  Speaker 7: I really hated traditional film every and part of it
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  Speaker 7: was because you know, it was a community.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 7: I went to school specifically to use their equipment, and
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  Speaker 7: they had old Bulls Bullocks cameras eight millimeter. I believe
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  Speaker 7: I'd have to look camera if it's eight or sixteen,
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  Speaker 7: but I believe it's maybe it's sixteen. Anyways, So shooting
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  Speaker 7: on actual film, but these cameras, you know, are getting
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  Speaker 7: beat up by other students.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't think.
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  Speaker 7: I think I only had maybe a few seconds that
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  Speaker 7: ever got out without being washed out by light or
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  Speaker 7: because the camera's leaked light or things like that.
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  Speaker 6: So so then I ended.
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  Speaker 7: Up just dropping out, and instead of learning, I started
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  Speaker 7: teaching animation to at local libraries and things like that.
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  Speaker 7: So I guess it's a long answer to my road
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  Speaker 7: and animation.
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  Speaker 3: No, but you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've seen you know, universities, and I mean
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  Speaker 4: I work at university too during the day, and I see,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the the equipment does just take a beating,
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  Speaker 4: and you know I work, I mean, I'm in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 4: We have about three or four of big universities, and
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  Speaker 4: out of those, you know, there's you know, film majors,
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  Speaker 4: and it's interesting to see, you know, you know, different
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  Speaker 4: gear and you know who has a certain amount of gear,
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  Speaker 4: who has you know, this gear, who has to go
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  Speaker 4: to rental houses. But that's the common thing, though, is
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  Speaker 4: gear takes a freaking beating sometimes.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean another thing I always point out is
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  Speaker 7: just the film itself to buy two minutes, I believe
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  Speaker 7: it was about two minutes. It was two hundred feet
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  Speaker 7: so whatever that I'd have to do the math on
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  Speaker 7: that two hundred feet of film was like twenty bucks
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  Speaker 7: or something, and so you could get a few minutes
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  Speaker 7: out of that.
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  Speaker 6: And when I.
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  Speaker 7: Was looking at digital and digital was popping up at
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  Speaker 7: the time, it was just the school I was at,
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  Speaker 7: which was UW Milwaukee, they were a little bit slow
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  Speaker 7: on jumping on that bandwigon and I think they were
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  Speaker 7: really holding on to film.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure what their logic was.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe they just didn't want to buy the new equipment
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  Speaker 7: or maybe the new students to have it it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: it was just so expensive and it's like I can
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  Speaker 7: I can shoot as much as I want on digital,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, I might want to get more storage
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  Speaker 7: or buy a better camera. But it never there's that's
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  Speaker 7: never the issue of paying per per second or per
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  Speaker 7: foot of film isn't an issue with digital.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, I was thinking about buying a
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  Speaker 4: Super eight camera and there's a ton of mone sale
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  Speaker 4: on eBay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they're going for dirt cheap.
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  Speaker 4: What's expensive is the Super eight film that you have
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  Speaker 4: to put in the camera, and you know it's going
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  Speaker 4: for like a tin of it is like fifty bucks.
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  Speaker 4: And this one guy had a lot for like five hundred,
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  Speaker 4: and you get a couple of them, and I'm saying
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  Speaker 4: to myself, you know, my android has a Super eights
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  Speaker 4: app now that I started playing around with, and you
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  Speaker 4: know it's getting pretty close.
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  Speaker 6: Right Yeah, And it depends too on It's funny.
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  Speaker 7: I can't remember the name of the guy, but the
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  Speaker 7: guy who did Grindhouse with Tarantino, Robertdriguez.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I heard.
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  Speaker 7: An interview with him and he was saying how Tarantino
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  Speaker 7: was like, I'm going to use film and then Rodriguez
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  Speaker 7: used digital and it was easier for Rodriguez to get
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  Speaker 7: the film look than it was for Tarantino, because, like
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  Speaker 7: Tarantino is looking for that old film look, and if
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  Speaker 7: you have a new film, it takes a lot of
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  Speaker 7: work to really get it to that level, like it's
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  Speaker 7: you know, literally being used, and so you can almost
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  Speaker 7: make it easy. It's almost easier to do in digital then,
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  Speaker 7: depending on what kind of look you want, just because yeah,
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  Speaker 7: all those filters and and you can be very deliberate
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  Speaker 7: on the effects you want.
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  Speaker 4: So yes, I remember reading a review an interview with Terenceino,
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  Speaker 4: and he had to go through and put all those
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  Speaker 4: scratches in himself because he, you know, he wanted it
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  Speaker 4: to look like a grind house, like a weathered film look,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and that like it has just been beaten
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  Speaker 4: up as it's been going to theater to theater to theater,
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  Speaker 4: and of course there's missing frames and all those touches.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what he had to do. He had to
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  Speaker 3: go through and put in.
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  Speaker 4: All these scratches and all this other stuff and some
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  Speaker 4: noise and stuff just to give it that aesthetic.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Did you started teaching animation at you know, at libraries,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, how did you approach that? Did you
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  Speaker 4: you know, go there and and actually work with the
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  Speaker 4: librarianes and say, hey, I want to start an animation class.
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  Speaker 6: Sort of.
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  Speaker 7: I've been doing magic for I had started doing magic
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  Speaker 7: before I started teaching at the libraries, and I right
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  Speaker 7: after college, I became a full time magician, and the animation.
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  Speaker 6: Was a hobby. And it's still questionable.
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  Speaker 7: I guess I make money from animation, but I you know,
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  Speaker 7: it's not like my full time income. But I won't
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  Speaker 7: even say it's just established a relationship. I basically just
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  Speaker 7: emailed a bunch. I got a list off of the
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  Speaker 7: Internet of all the libraries and just said, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 7: doing this animation workshop. It teaches kids how to do
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  Speaker 7: animation at home. At the time, I was calling a
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  Speaker 7: cheap animator, which I don't call it that anymore. I
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  Speaker 7: don't think they like that name, but they yeah. And
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  Speaker 7: then then the librarians they need to fill up their summers.
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  Speaker 7: Summer is usually busy time if I want to do
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  Speaker 7: animation workshops or like, I have one coming up that's
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  Speaker 7: in December because it's Christmas break, but most of them
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  Speaker 7: have been most of them are summertime, and so yeah,
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  Speaker 7: they they just be like, yeah, you know, bring me in,
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  Speaker 7: and I do it mostly in Wisconsin. I can't think
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  Speaker 7: of any too many that I've done. I've done magic
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  Speaker 7: shows all over, but I haven't quite I haven't promoted
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  Speaker 7: as much out of Wisconsin. But I mean there's so
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  Speaker 7: many libraries that if I recommend that to most artists
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  Speaker 7: to contact, libraries are a good place to contact if
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  Speaker 7: you're looking to make a few extra bucks doing teaching
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  Speaker 7: any kind of art format. You know, it helps if
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  Speaker 7: it's something that kids can do. Although I have done
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  Speaker 7: older you know, mine are always teens, and I've done
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  Speaker 7: some adult stuff, but most of the libraries are looking
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  Speaker 7: for you know, mostly kid oriented. But I've also done
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  Speaker 7: like art museums. I've done a few of those, and
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  Speaker 7: those are more looking for adult stuff. So yeah, the
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  Speaker 7: libraries was just an easy choice because I had a
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  Speaker 7: little bit of a relationship with them and had all
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  Speaker 7: their contact info.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, of mind, he actually pitched a screenwrining
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  Speaker 4: course to a local library.
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  Speaker 3: It's his local library, and they ended up.
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  Speaker 4: Saying, you know, we'll let me, we'll get back to you,
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  Speaker 4: and then they ended up actually getting back to them.
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  Speaker 4: He thought they were blowing them off, but they came
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  Speaker 4: back and said, yeah, would you mind teaching a screen running.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it started off as as just a one
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  Speaker 4: off like seminar for like, you know, an hour or two,
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  Speaker 4: and then it became, you know, started becoming more and more.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean that worked out pretty well because he
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  Speaker 4: pitched it as, hey, look, you know it's it's writing
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  Speaker 4: and we're in a library, so it does tie in together.
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  Speaker 4: And they gave him a little a little room off
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  Speaker 4: to the side.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, it worked out pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: But so, you know, that's a pretty good tip though,
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  Speaker 4: is to you know, libraries. Can you know, if you
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  Speaker 4: have a library in your area, that can be you know,
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  Speaker 4: worked out pretty well if you you know, pitch them
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  Speaker 4: right and uh, you know, pitching the right the right
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  Speaker 4: project at the right time.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I think a big part is just making it sound like,
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  Speaker 7: you know, like you have if it's your first one,
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  Speaker 7: making it sound like you actually have it planned out.
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  Speaker 7: You know, when I sent out my stuff, I said
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  Speaker 7: specifically what they had learned. And I mean even now
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  Speaker 7: I switch it up depending on the mostly on the
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  Speaker 7: students just because I have enough experience that but as
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  Speaker 7: long as they have the feeling that you have an
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  Speaker 7: outline of what you're going to do, and then you
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  Speaker 7: send it to them and say, this is the outline
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  Speaker 7: right now.
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  Speaker 6: What I tend to do.
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  Speaker 7: If I haven't really promoted it much lately, but I
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  Speaker 7: might start again for the summer is I'll say, first
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  Speaker 7: of I'll ask their interest, and then they'll usually say
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  Speaker 7: they want more info. And that's when you give them
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  Speaker 7: the big spiel. I feel like sending out like a
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  Speaker 7: big spiel to can be overwhelming to library, and so
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  Speaker 7: it's easier to say, you know, hey, is this something
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  Speaker 7: you're interested in. I'll send you more information. They'll email
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  Speaker 7: me back, and then I'll say, okay, here's the outline.
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  Speaker 7: Here's the I don't like to have a class more
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  Speaker 7: than twenty five students. You know, here's the requirements. Blah
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  Speaker 7: blah blah. And then they see that I have these
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  Speaker 7: requirements and it makes them realize, oh, this guy's done
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  Speaker 7: this before. He knows what he's doing. So it's just
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  Speaker 7: a trick for someone, even if it's the first time.
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  Speaker 7: Just have that thought up front so that when they
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  Speaker 7: email you back, it sounds like you know what you're
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  Speaker 7: doing because you have your requirements and you're like I
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  Speaker 7: usually like to have a projector so I say that
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  Speaker 7: you know, it's the quiet, it's not required, but it's
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  Speaker 7: nice blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, it just makes it look a little more professional.
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  Speaker 3: That's very cool.
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  Speaker 4: And you know that that's that is a really excellent
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  Speaker 4: tip about pitching too, because I think that works in
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  Speaker 4: other other areas as well, because you know, when I've
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  Speaker 4: I've gone to pitch events and I've seen also you know,
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  Speaker 4: the the and and going into discussions about the you know,
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  Speaker 4: the the elevator pitches. You know, I've always been told
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  Speaker 4: if you do have something to show, it might be
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  Speaker 4: it's actually a little better than if you just actually
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  Speaker 4: talk to them and and you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: like it if you can actually show like even a one.
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  Speaker 7: Sheet right right, And I do that with the libraries
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  Speaker 7: now as I can show them past student work and
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  Speaker 7: things like that, and so, but yeah, it's definitely good
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  Speaker 7: to have. If you have something, it's always better because
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  Speaker 7: it's physical confirmation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 4: As you talked these animation courses, you know, when did
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  Speaker 4: you get in to start making short films?
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  Speaker 7: I would just say kind of along the along the way,
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  Speaker 7: I mean the first first video I did was in college,
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  Speaker 7: and I had the mindset of I wanted to become
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  Speaker 7: a professional magician. And the first video I ever made
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  Speaker 7: was basically a weird animated promo video for my magic show,
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  Speaker 7: just because I thought it'd be weird, and most magicians don't,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. For some reason, I loved animation anyway,
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  Speaker 7: so it was kind of like, well, I'll have this
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  Speaker 7: unusual thing and then I could play it before.
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  Speaker 6: Shows, and we did a little I did a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: I used to work with another entertainer at the time,
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: and so in that that whole video actually funny enough
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: is I used Photoshop, But I mean photoshop now has
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: an animation feature somehow, I haven't done it in a while,
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: but I know you can do animation with Photoshop.
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: But I would literally had the layers and I would literally.
• 15:47
  Speaker 7: Save a photo, change you know, change my arm, save
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: the photo. So I that was I guess the start.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: I already forgot the question when did you get into
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: short films?
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, okay, So I would say, I guess, in
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: theory that would be the short film. And then I
• 16:01
  Speaker 7: think the next short film would have been years later,
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: and it was I wanted to learn flash. So it
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: was one of those things where I'm like, Okay, I'm
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: gonna literally teach myself Flash while making this short film.
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: And that one was It's called Hillary's Adventures in Politics,
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: and I was hoping to get it done like super
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: fast because it was the time when Hillary was going
• 16:23
  Speaker 7: to be she was working for the primary, you know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: trying to get the primaries with Obama, which would have
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: been you know, like eight years ago, and I thought
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: I would have it done for sure by the time
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: anything happened, and it took me forever. So it was
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: it was definitely a learning experience. It ended up being
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: like it was over five minutes.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: I can't remember the total, Yeah, it was.
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: And ever since then, it's just been stuff like that
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: where I get an idea and I'm kind of like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna make a you know, I'm gonna give this
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: a try, or if I'm learning a new program. So
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: like another one I did was with I was working
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: on my comic book and I wanted a motion comic,
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: so I decided to kind of make a short film
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: that was motion. You know, it wasn't perfect animation, it
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: was simplified animation and yeah, just I get random, I guess,
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: and it ended up getting stuck into them. Is the
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: long term project.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: So is there any place online where people can check
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: out some of your short films?
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think both. I think most of those are
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: if you go if you just go to YouTube and
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: search admin of Magic. I believe it's under that channel.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: I have like three or four different channels, and I
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: lose track of them. I think that one has those.
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: Most of my other ones before that were before film school,
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: are you know, locked away somewhere so you can't see those,
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: But you can see the Hillary wan for sure. And
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: I think the the first one I made is somewhere
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: looming on YouTube, but I'd have to look that up.
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: But the Hillary one's definitely on there. If you look
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: up Hillary's Adventures and politics, that should come up.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Cool, and I'll look for that and put that in
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: the show notes for you know, anyone who's interested. So,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned comics as well, and you know,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: so you know, when did you start developing your own comics,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: And also want to ask, you know, did you actually
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: animate your own comics from the beginning, or like like
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: animate them yourself, or did you have sort of farm
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: that out.
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: You mean for the motion comic. Yeah, yeah, no, I
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: did it all myself. I my wife does all the illustrations.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: So I did the animation and those were I did
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: them relatively quick, but they were a bit tedious because
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: I was using a mix between Flash and Premiere and
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: on CS three and so it worked, but I was
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: having issues with Flash not being able to handle that much.
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: You know, they were drawn an illustrator. I'd bring them
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: over to Flash and then Flash, and I think it's
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: just my computer was having a hard time doing anything
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: longer than you know, ten to twenty seconds. So then
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: I would cut those out into shorter pieces and put
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: them together and for me, and then sometimes do use
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: some of the camera movements in Premiere. But yeah, that
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: the movements were more me and actually the illustrations were
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: i'd say ninety percent my wife doing that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: So so, now when you did your comics, did you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: did you you know, put them online or you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: just just to show to sort of make a portfolio,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: we put them online topes of getting out the work
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: or you know sort of that was the goal of
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: these or would you have another goal in mind?
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: So the comic book that's a it's actually goes back
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: to the animation I ended up making. Uh So the
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: comic book's called mad Men of Magic, and it was
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: an idea that I came up with. So I used
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: to perform as the mad Man of Magic, and I thought,
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: you know what, it'd be fun to make a comic book.
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: And then I had come up with this idea, and
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: I was actually going to coffee with some friends who
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: are really big comic book nerds like I, you know, know.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: A little bit, but these people like they their go nuts.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: So I we'll be right back after a word from
• 20:03
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• 20:10
  Speaker 7: I brought on some of the concept drawings that I
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: had and just asked them. I said, hey, this is
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: the idea.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: I was kind of just as a fun project. I
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: was coming up with these ideas.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: What do you think? And they thought it was a
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: cool idea.
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: So then my logic behind making the character a magician
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: was worst case scenario, if this book doesn't sell, I'll
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: make it. I'll use it for my promotional material, kind
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: of like that first animated project. So almost make it
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: made its fail safe for if it if it didn't
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: do well, and so I ended up doing the motion
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: comic just because I wanted to do a Kickstarter for it,
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: and I knew I needed a video and I liked animation,
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: and I liked like motion comics. I know some people
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: hate motion comics, but I find them interesting and some
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: are better than others, like anything, and so so yeah,
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: I animated it after we were already working on the
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: as a comic book.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: What software did you used to animate that?
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: A mix between the Flash Premiere and kind of making
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: the cutouts and illustrator or you know, the the images
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: an illustrator that had the separate you know, assets. So
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: that was a cool part about using illustrator I hadn't
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: quite thought up before. It was like if my wife
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: drew a hand, I would tell her, hey, can you
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: make sure that the fingers aren't different layers?
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: These pieces are different layers.
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: And so it almost became out like cutout animation because
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: I had all these when I threw it in a flash,
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: Flash could separate all those instead of having to you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: literally cut them out in the program. So yeah, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: then I then used Premiere to kind of put all
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: those pieces together and do some of the A few
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: of the effects were done in premiere.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you and I were talking before the
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: show about you know, all the about the Adobe be
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Creative Suite and you know, all the things you can
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: actually do with that, and it's just absolutely amazing. I've
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: gotten into, you know, comic books and stuff like that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not an illustrator by any means. I just write
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the scripts and sort of pass them on to the
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: illustrator who draws them up. But one thing I've learned
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: also is about all the layers that go into them.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And when you know, when the illustrator comes back to me,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: it says, hey, Dave, what do you think of this?
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I can say, well could you add this? And she,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I can see.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Her scream when she's adding these layers on, you know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: like adding a hat on or doing something different. I mean,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: it's it's absolutely phenomenal, you know, being able to add
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: those layers and then if want I'm gone. It's a
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: click of a button and the layer's gone.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's uh.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: I play around with this stuff, and my wife's really
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: the illustrator person. I'm more of a photoshop guy. Like
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: I like photoshop, but in that you have layers too,
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: but yeah, illustrator is amazing just in the sense that
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: you the way to tweak things or even Flash. Sometimes
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: I'll draw some of my just sort of goof around
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: comics have done in Flash because you don't have to
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: literally draw, you can you can tweak those little points
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: you can, you know, and then it's like, oh, got
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: these layers and get rid of this and then undo.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: It's just amazing with the different programs.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: One of the things I was told at the beginning
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: with Adobe programs is the strength, the biggest strength is
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: also the biggest weakness, and that is there's more than
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: one way to do things in Adobe programs. So because
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: I mean I've seen it too, you know, I've gone
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: to different you know, seminars, and the way one person
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: does it in the way another person does are completely different.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: And is anybody is anybody really doing it the quote
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: unquote best way?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Well, who knows? Right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: I went to I used to belong to the Milwaukee
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: well I still do these don't have meetings Milwaukee Animation
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: Club and there was a guy doing a presentation on
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: Flash and he was the way he did did lip
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: sync was very strange where he had he had it
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: as like one asset and they had all the different
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: frames and basically he would It was very weird and
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: I don't even know if I could reproduce it. And
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: I wanted to be like, why do you do it
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: that way? But I didn't want to ask you ever
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: want to ask it just that because I'm just like, wow,
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: that seems like more work, Like you could just do
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: it way simpler. There is a few benefits, but to
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: what guess the way he did now they think about it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's interesting how each artist kind of figures
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: out their own own way of doing things.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've learned that, especially too. When I took a
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: seminar with the editor. He's an editor at SNL. He
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: just you know, was going about you know, he said, listen,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: we're not going to talk about which is better, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Windows or Mac. We're not going to talk about which
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: is better Adobe or Avid. He's like, if whatever works
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: for you works for you, and just do the best
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: work he can, and.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: We're just going to leave it at that.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: But he but having said that, we did learn on
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: a tophy though, so you know, but it was you
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: know that seminar, by the way, was absolutely excellent, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: I have to get him on the show as we
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: talk about, you know, different seminars and stuff like that.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: You know, you actually launched a kickstarter last year in
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: November twenty fourteen. Could you take us through you know
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: where the impetus were too care This kicksort of came.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: From sure, trying to think of like the very beginning
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: of it. That's a hard one.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: I think it was. I'd been doing these workshops for
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: five six.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: Years, the animation workshops, and I had decided that just
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: to make a product out of it, and I wish
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: I could remember. I don't remember if I had in
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: a great story like the other one, even you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: even like the Madman of Magic. I at least met
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: somebody for coffee. I think it was just I don't
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: think anyone mentioned it. I think I was just looking
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: for something to sell digitally, to do a digital product
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: that can sell through my website. And I had some
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: friends who had have been doing digital products, and I thought,
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: you know, what skills do I had? And I thought
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: about doing like a plut and twisting tutorial. I thought
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: about doing a few other things, and I said, well,
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: why don't I just take my workshop and turn that
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: into a digital course. And so yeah, I just started
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: with that and then put the time into it, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: it was successful, and I'm a bit behind I'm getting
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: out the deliverables. But part of that is it's expanded
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: as I've done it. You know, Originally I thought, oh,
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: I could just videotape my workshop, and as I've been
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: delivering stuff, I realized I want to go, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: here's an opportunity to actually get in depth and to
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: do some new animation. So each each lesson has been
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: has its own original animation, and so that all those
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: things have been adding up time wise more than I expected.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: And so well, actually, the.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: The timeline we have now is to launch it to
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: the general public doing like probably a discount. Is that
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: is Cyber Monday. So that's the thirtieth I believe we will.
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: We'll have a where other people can buy it other
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: than you know, the Kickstarter people, and the Kickstarter people
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: will have all their stuff, you know, slightly before then.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I guess that's the that's kind of a
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: roundabout story I guess of how that got started.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was actually one of those Kickstarter
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: of people. And one of the most tractive things about
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: your campaign was you started at one dollar. However, you
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: got the Basic Home Animation Handbook for you know, the
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: digital copy as a PDF.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: For one dollar.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I think that is an amazing way to open up
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: a crowdfundy campaign because to me, you want to get
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: people in because everyone can.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Everyone can spend a dollar.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty much sure we can all agree that a
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: dollar is not asking people too much. So if I
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: you know, if you know, you started a dollar, I
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: think that really opens up and you can sort of
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: parlay that and people can.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Say, all right, so what's the next level? Five?
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: But yours was eight, and you know, yours went from
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: one dollar all the way up to twenty three hundred
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: dollars for perks, you know, at the different and the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: perk structures.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So you know, did you.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Plan that accordingly so that you know, hey, I want
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: to make sure everyone can get a piece of this.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: That's why you priced the handbook the pdf at a dollar.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: I did, and it didn't work out quite as good
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: as I would. I mean, I think the campaign was well,
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: went well, but I was hoping to make it almost
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: like a like a news story where it'd be like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: you know, you literally, I mean, there's very little you
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: can get for.
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: A dollar a dollar.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: So I'm happy with the campaign overall, but I was
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: kind of thought, to me, the goal was to get more.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: It wasn't about making a lot of money. It was
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: to try to get as many people in because again,
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: I've taught animation to hundreds of of mostly kids, but
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: hundred of hundreds of people, and so the idea of yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: like basically saying there is no barrier to buy this,
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: and it worked out, Okay, we got you know, over
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: we got several hundred people who signed up. Again, I
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: kind of would hope that that more people. And then
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: again not for the money, but for the fact that
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: I am really passionate about animation and the idea of
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: all these people being able to make animated videos from
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: home was exciting. So again, very happy with the campaign,
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: but it was kind of surprised more people didn't jump
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: on the dollar the dollar thing, because I mean, even if.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: You're kind of like, well, do I want to learn animation,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: It's like, well, it's a dollar, just bay the dollar,
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: and you know, if I could have learned animation for
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: a dollar when I was tinkering around in my in
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: my college dorm room. Man, that would have saved me
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: a lot of time. So but yeah, that was Yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: the original thought was I really wanted to get people
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: excited about animation.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: So and you know, that's that's a good point, is
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: you know, even if they don't want to learn, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: they could say, wait a minute, do I want to learn?
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: You know, maybe I don't, but hey, listen, it's a dollar,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: so who do you know? What is it gonna matter
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: in the end. And you know, there's a great article
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: if I've once read, and now I'll link to it again.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: It's called everything is Sales. And I know some of
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: the listeners this podcast heard me talk about it before,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: but to me, when you're when you're launching a crowd
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: front a campaign.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: And now back to the show.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: First off, it's a full time job, as I'm sure
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you know, Jason, So you're always emailing talking to people
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: about it, and it's sort of you're trying to sell
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: them on this idea and then you're trying to get
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: them to engage and actually, you know, make a conversion,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: which is them you know, them purchasing, you know, pledging
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: at a perk, at at at a certain level. You know.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of artists tend to go into
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: crowdfunding campaigns, uh, not prepared for the business aspect, because
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: I've seen another other kickstories as well, because I mean,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: if you listen to the podcast before, I at least
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: once a week I'm getting, you know, hit up for
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: a crowdfunding campaign through my website or what have you,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: or on Twitter, and it's just like, you know, I
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: look at their campaign and it's just so poorly planned out.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: That's why whenever I see I mean even like you,
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I see someone like you, I show your campaign, I'm like, wow,
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: this guy gets it a dollar. That's a great way
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: to you know, introduce, you know, to get someone you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: to look at this campaign. I have other people send
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: me campaigns they're starting at like fifty dollars.
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I know that Kickstarter says twenty five is
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: like the sweet spot. Yeah, but yeah, I definitely and
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: in retrospect, like financially, I think it did help because
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: I mean it helped me, but again, I wish more
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: people had jumped in on that just in the sense of,
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: like you said, you know, people see it at that
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: and I think I think I did a relatively not
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: to toot my own horn, a good job of getting
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: that across with the video, and I think that's what
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: got people excited about it in general. Was you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: the goal wasn't like, oh that's you know, I'm not
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: going to I'm using the money for this. I'm using
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: the money for that. Was like, we're trying to get
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: animation to everyone, have people have access to be able
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: to create their own animated videos. And so, uh, you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: the few people who jumped on the high higher tiers,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: I have a feeling that's what made them say, Okay,
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: I'm willing. I have the financial I have the finances
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: to do this, and so they jumped on it as that.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: But so yeah, so it was a I feel like
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: it was a good idea in that way. And now
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: that it's done, I can still continue selling it, so
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: it will get out to you know, more people as
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: I do it. But but you're right, a lot of
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: people they have to think about what. You know, people
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: are taking a chance, and it's like, do are they
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: going to take a chance on you? At fifty dollars,
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: it's kind of a high amount to start with, so
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: I completely agree.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, the other thing I always think
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: about is relationships. You know, you know, like you just said,
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: within fifty dollars, if you know, if you're a complete stranger,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: you know, it's very hard to get such stranger to
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: give in fifty bucks.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: But if you know, the moved familiar they are with you,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: the better the chances.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: St are of them, you know, upping that perk, you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I mean I've seen it before too, you know, where
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: someone has actually a solid, solid network, and you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: he was crowdfunded in a day, right, and that's just
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: all the people he knew. Then he finally, you know
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: that he did a soft launch, and then he finally
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: got all the people that he knew.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, then he.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Got after the people that he knew, he got the
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: rest of you know, we've released it publicly, betweeting it
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: out and that was all.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Just you know, di icing on the cake.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: But but you know, you know, your kickstarter was a success,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: you know, and I have the handbook, you know you did,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you know, you did release that and you were releasing
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: the updated iterations of it, so, you know, I wanted
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: to ask, you know, Jason, to anyone listening to this
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: who was interested in getting into animation, you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Know, what do you recommend they do?
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Uh, that's a good question.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: I guess my gut reaction is to say, uh, you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: order the order the book and if if you want
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: to sign up, I do have.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: A you know, we can set up for.
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: Getting email when it when it goes live, and that's
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: at learn to Animate course dot com. And if you don't,
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: and it'll be higher than a dollar for this one,
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: just because the Kickstarter, you know, prices are will be
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: a little bit different, and I feel like I owe
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: it to the Kickstarter, the people who are willing to
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: put the money up front to make it a little more,
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: you know, to make if I kept at the same price,
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: I think I'd feel bad a little.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Bit for them, So I can't.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: I don't know specifically what the prices will be yet
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: to get closer, but if you want to join the net,
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: that's a good place to start.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: And it's not set up yet, but there should be.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: Like the first few chapters, I just talk about the
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: equipment that that I give away for free, just for
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: people to kind of have an idea of what the
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: book's about and to to you know, know what what
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: equipments are involved. If you didn't want to buy the book,
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: I would say, you know, just experiment with Again, I
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: used Windows movie Maker. It's not super hard. You can
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: use almost any video editing software where that allows you
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: to that allows you to turn the image image duration below.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: I'd say point point point three is pretty good.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: Three six, nine.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to do the math, but even lower is better.
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: And I can't think of those numbers out the top
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: of my head, just because when it when it like
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: I think of it as a frame rate is different
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: than the like the decimal point of a second. So yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: if you can get to get to that, if you
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: can get to point five, it's probably not good enough,
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: but you can still play around with it and see.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: To me, it's all about experimentation and trying new things.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: And with apps now one can get away with a
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: lot more than they could before smartphones. So if that's
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: a possibility, that's always a good option as well.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, as I told you before, I uh
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: through email, I actually was taking a online course, very
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: very short and simplistic, but but you know, it was
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: a good compliment to your PDF.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: And you know, as we were going back and forth,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the things that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I've been learning about too is you know, just creating
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: you know, just different characters because obviously I'm not an illustrator.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: If I was, you know, when I do it, I'm
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: going to use actual three D models and you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: like a set and everything like that. But but you're
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: absolutely right though I won't use myself my Smartphone'm probably
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: gonna use my dslry. But but you know, yeah, one
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: of the one of the things that you know, I've
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: noticed too is, you know, it not to be too
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: ambitious the first time. It's kind of like making it,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: you know, like a live action movie.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: And it's kind of you know, if you're if this
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: is your first movie, you're not going to make, you know,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: a Mortin Scorsese film. You're not going to make Taxi
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Driver in your first effort. But you know, you need
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: to need to think of a much lower, much lower scale,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: just so you can acclimate it to the process for sure.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: And I usually tell people to start with with with
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: the students that usually wanted to they have these like
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: grand visions, and I say, well, thinking thinking seconds, like
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: if you can get three to four seconds, like, that's
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: pretty good in a you know, two and a half
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: hour workshop. You know, I think too, it helps to
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: if one wants to think grand, I think, what's the
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: what's the first short thing I need to shoot?
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: And that's kind of what I do with with Hillary.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: Originally I was going to shoot.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: It in all cutout animation, and I I cut out.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: I did the cutouts for like the first scene, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: it turned out cool because it was like paper cutouts.
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: But then I instantly realized just from that six seconds
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: how much work that was going to be, and then
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: realized how much time flash would save me, and so
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: then I.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: Switched over to to digital.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's definitely it also too. I mean, thinking
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: small like that allows someone to experiment with more. So
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: it's it's not thinking of it as a hindrance. It's
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: better to think of it like, oh I can now
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: I can instead of having to spend three years on
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: doing this hand drawn thing.
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: I can.
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: I can experiment with sand animation, I can experiment with
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: stop motion, I can experiment with claymation, I can experiment
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: with all these other things, and you know it's easy
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: to make something short in an afternoon. So yeah, experimenting,
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: playing around with it and then deciding what that next
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: step is is better than try to take it all
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: on at once.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, you know, and I was even speaking to
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: you about some of the other resources you know out there.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: You know, granted they're not free, some of them are.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a premium, but you know.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: The you know, I just saw an article today about
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: how film school, the online film schools are actually going
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: to cause the physical film school will lower in price because.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of there's so many resources
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: out there now.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it makes sense, and I think premium has its Uh,
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: it definitely has its perks because you know, as as
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: people who use the Internet constantly, it's it's easy to think, oh,
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: i'll just get I'll just look it up online, and
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: especially like the more technical stuff, the problem with that
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: is it's not always put together in a way that's
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: that's helpful to learn. And like, again, that stuff's out there.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: And in film there's actually quite a few that I
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: think do a pretty good job for free. But in
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: animation specifically, I think of like my you know, rows
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: and rows of animation books, and I'm just like, man,
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: I'm glad I got these because if I had to
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: try to figure out how to find this information in
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: this order on through random websites, it would it would
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: just take forever.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: And so.
• 39:59
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• 40:05
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• 40:08
  Speaker 7: Uh, you know with the books that can at least
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: be like all right, I you know, I have ones
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: that talk about just timing. I have ones that just
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: talk about storyboards. I have ones that just talk about
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: you know, very specific things, and yeah, doing Google searches
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: on that would probably take an hour just to find
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: a good, reputable site that would help be helpful. So yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: it depends on specifically what they want to learn. But
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: I think premium is a good way to go when
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: when you're willing to cut cut cut down on googling time.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: So yeah, very true. And you know, it's always good
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: to have a good network too. You know, there's I mean,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: I just got an inmate the other day. I know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Sheane Hubert. I tell you are yeah, I'd tell your promise.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: His last name he actually he's a director's cinematography and
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: he's opening up his own online film school now and
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: that's a monthly subscription service. So again I'm like, wow,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: there's just so many options out there now, and you know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: the paying, you know, paying a monthly subscription fee is
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: a barrier to entry, so it kind of just keeps
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: people out for who are just signing up and you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: they just want to be part of another Facebook group
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: or what have you. So I mean, I got the
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: first month for free, so I'm going to check it
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: out to see if it's somebody we don't want to
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: keep going on with.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: But again, even that you know, you get to see that,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: you know it's a it's a pretty good network.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Because that used to be the argument for phisical schools
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: was well, hey, you know education secondary because you're getting paid.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you're paying to get to be a part
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: of this network.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: So when you go out, you know, you're an alumni
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: and you go out and then you can meet other
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: alumni and you're when you're here, you're working with each
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: other and you know who to trust. You can both
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: have relationship. But you know, again now you're seeing that
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: more online now too.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, and I think too with paying it's
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: that money is going to create the stuff. So it's
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: not like that. Good examples.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: I actually have a MBA and I am on a
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: few business ye subscriptions where you know, I'm taking classes
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: through these websites and I have to say I'm learning more,
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: you know when you go to the college. And so
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: a good example of being like a class and then
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: the teacher puts up a note saying, oh today we're
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: not having class, and all the kids are like, you know,
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: all the students master's degree level students are like, yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm thinking, Man, I just paid a
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: hundred Like if I did the math, I'm probably paying
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: one hundred bucks to sit in this class.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: And we're excited to basically.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: Throw away that hundred dollars where you know, the monthly
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: subscription is you know, thirty bucks a month, and yeah,
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: like I get access to all these resources and it
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: tends to be better because there's a higher stand you know.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: And maybe business school's not the best example, but like
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: I specifically interested in online business and so most of
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: the professors are behind and you know, they're they have
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: their specialties.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: But the online business.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: Schools that are online, like they have to be up
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: to date because otherwise, you know, people will drop out,
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: where basically the universities just have to get convinced kids
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: that they needed to you know, a piece of paper then,
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: you know, as opposed to actually having the best information.
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: So I'm definitely pushing people to go more towards online
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: schools and and things like that. I think they get
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: a higher degree of quality that way.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: You know, I also think now you know, Spike lel
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: us Or, I think with Spike Lee said, you know
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: they used to go to film school, just get the equipment. Well,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: now you know, everything is so democratic. You know, the
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: equipment is inny palm in your hand now, yeah, because
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: you could you could learn using your phone and then
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: then you can actually you know, you know, I always
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: say the best mistakes the ones you make for free
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: because you don't want to rent this huge camera package
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: and then go, oh, well, you know this, this film
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: really sucked.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: It didn't even look good because I didn't even know
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: how to use the camera. Uh, you know what I mean.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: And then you know, and then you really look back
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: and you say, wow, we just wasted five thousand dollars,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: you know, or God forbid, even more. But now you
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: know you can actually start, you know, teaching yourself, you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: filmmaking just by you know, shooting stuff on your phone,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: editing on your computer, and then you know, you know,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: like Mark Duplas said, and then in a block post,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: you know, teaching yourself. Every weekend, you and your friends
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: go out and shoot a short film for one hundred
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: bucks and that's it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the hard part's finding the friends.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: So what I and what I would, uh, what I
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: used to do was you know, I when I was
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: in college or even when I got out of college
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: I got out in twenty ten, I would just you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: grab student student you know, uh students that are actors,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: you know, and going to the uh the acting side
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: of things, and they're always looking for for stuff and
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: you know, either that or I would just well, well, now,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: I you know, I have so many different friends. If
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: I were to post something, I'd say, listen, I'm gonna
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: be upfront with everybody. Hey, listen if I want to
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: do this, and it's just going to be for you know, us,
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: and you know we're not going to waste everyone's time
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: though at the same time, you know it's going to
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: be you know, something small, but we're not gonna waste
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: everyone's time. But hey, this is what it's going to be.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: And you know, we're not sending this to film festivals.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: It's just you know what I mean, it's going to
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: be something that's more of a learning experience. I think
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: if you're up front two of people, they more appreciate
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: that than when when some some student filmmakers post things,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: it's usually like they act like they're making the next Casablanca,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: and they're like, well, I might want to scale that
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: downright pur hyperbole.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Is is it could be your downfall?
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Right for sure?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: So you know, Jason, I want to ask you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I know we didn't get this into your as we're
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: talking about your story, but you know, uh, you performed
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. You know, could
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: could you you know, talk about that, you know how
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: that came to came?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: To be sure?
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: At that time, I was just performing.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: Was my only thing, Like now I have I do
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: a mix of stuff just to keep myself saying I
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: was performing full time. I'm at a theme park near Chicago,
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: part of the six Flags Theme parks, and I just
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: sent him to be honest, I just sent him a
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: promo pack and just was saying, hey, you know, I
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: do these weird stunts something you know I and I
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: don't even remember what was in the pack. And a
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: producer called and said, hey, you know we do this segment.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: We're looking for just unusual acts.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: What do you got?
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: And I gave him a list and it was things
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: that he had all seen. And then I said, you know,
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: give me, give me a week. I'll call you back
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: with you know, some some stuff I know you'll never
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: have seen.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: And he's like, okay.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: So then I called him back and he took the
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: first thing, uh, the first thing I had, and yeah,
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: they just flew me out and did my did the
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: routine and you know, it was it was interesting. I
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: was on with Rachel Ray, who I hadn't didn't know
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: who she was at the time. It was kind of
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: bizarre because I came back and I saw her face
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: like on like rich crackers and stuff, and I'm like, oh, weird.
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: I didn't really notice this person, and then I noticed
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: she was everywhere and then and then I was on
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: with Russell Crowe as the other star guest, and I
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: think there was a band, but I can't remember who
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: they were. I'm not big music music kuite, so but yeah,
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: that was basically it. So, I mean, that's a good
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: That's one of those things where and I've come close
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: to get on Leno. I don't know even know if
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: they switched you. I don't really watch a lot of TV,
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: so that's like my biggest downfall for that stuff. But
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: I definitely it was one of those things where I
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: just took a chance and just figured, well, it can't hurt.
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: I just had my basic promo pack that I was
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: using already, so it didn't take much. I just added
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: a little cover letter and yeah, they took it, so
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: it worked out well.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: You said you were almost on Letno, did you mean Letterman?
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: Yes, sorry, almost on Letterman. Yeah, and that one.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: I can't remember the reason that the stunt I was
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: trying to sell to them. They questioned.
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: They were They had some things that they weren't sure
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: about that I.
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: Eventually fixed, and then I ended up I ended up
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: doing it on America's Got Talent instead, and I kind
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: of wish I'd just done it on Letterman.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: I think I think I could have done on Letterman,
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: and I guess.
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: I could still I'm not sure if they made that
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: switch yet, because I know all the hosts are switching that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know what that is because I don't watch TV.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: But I'll have to see if they're still doing the
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: For that one, it would have been on stupid human tricks,
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: So that one, I'll have to see whoever's coming up
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: next if they do that or what.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: But the way late night TV works is, I'm sorry,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: the late night TV hierarchy, as it was explained to me,
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: is now it's Fallin, then it's Kimmel, then it's Conan,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: and then it's you know who. I guess whoever. I'm
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: not sure whoever is left. But I mean, I'm not
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: a big Jimmy Fallon fan. I'm more Kimmel and Conan fan.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: I actually have a couple of friends work for Jimmy Kimmel,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: and like that's why I want to support him as well,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: because he's also a talented guy. But but but yeah,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: I know that whole that whole regime just completely shifted around.
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a bit. It's a bit overwhelmed for somebody
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: who doesn't watch TV.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: Do they do do you know if they do any
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: kind of odd I imagine they have to because all
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: of them are kind of goofy. They're not you know,
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: they're not like I don't. They're all goofy guys. So
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: I imagine they probably bring on do some kind of
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: segment like that. But I don't Again, I don't know,
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: you would know better than me.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: Do they have that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: I think they do because I know a lot of
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: what they're doing now is Kimmel focuses on two things.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: That's the celebrity reading me, celebrities reading mean tweets about themselves,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: and he also has a lot of man on the
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: street stuff.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Fallon will be right back, throw a word from our
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: sponsor and now back to the show.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Does his own I mean, he was doing that lip
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: syncing thing and a couple of things.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: But that's a good question. I'm sure if somebody listening
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: to the podcast is probably like, come on, guys, of
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: course they don't do or whatever, you know, But but yeah,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure though.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, Conan would be one I'd be excited to
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: be in actually all of them. Really, I'd be excited
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: to be on their shows more than like Leno. I'd
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: never really, I think I think booking wise, if I
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: would have played my cards the way I should have.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: It was a good because the guy, the producer I
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: talked to said if we were on Letterman, there'd be
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: no way they would bring us on Leno and then
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: but I think Letterman would have been like whatever, And
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: so yeah, I like, as someone who doesn't really watch,
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: I liked Letterman more than Leno. But yeah, that's just
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: kind of how it fell together, I guess. But yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: any of those guys, I enjoy the stuff that I've
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: seen from them, so I'll have to send some stuff out.
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: I'm also performing a lot less, so I guess that's
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: a good excuse to spend the time to send them
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: some promo stuff.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Now, did you actually get to meet Jay before the show?
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: We did?
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: It's it's a weird deal because like they and I
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: think I've heard this from someone else. Oh yeah, some
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: other performers who I think we're in a different show.
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: And I can't remember who the host was, but they
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: do like a so you go in and you do
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: like a dry run or whatever they call it something,
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: I can't.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Remember what they call it. Andress rehearsal, Yeah, dress rehearsal.
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: But like but Leno's not there, like you do it
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: without him, and so it's weird because he's like watching,
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: but he's not like there, or they tell us that
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: he's watching, and then yeah, we do that, and then
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: we went back to the dressing room and then he
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: basically just showed up and said hi and talked to
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: us a little bit for the show.
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: And so he's there all day.
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: I can imagine, like you know, he got I can't
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: remember the time we got there, probably like eight, and
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: he he was already there and we still had, you know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: like several hours before showtime. So he must put in
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: a he must have been putting in like twelve hour
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: days or something crazy.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, eventually, you know, like I think Letterman said,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: eventually get used to it, like Howard Stern got. It's
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: just so used to it now because he just got
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: in that groove right right.
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it makes sense. And they were making stylistic changes
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: because we so the routine we did was I would
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: lay on a bed of nails and then we put
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: like another bet of nails on top of me, and
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: then the other guy would stand on top and then
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: get on top of a unicycle on top of me.
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: And ride a unicycle back and forth on that on
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: that top bed of nails. And then the gag originally
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: was and I think he.
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: Came up with this.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: The guy who I did it with is his name
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: Circus Boy Bobby Hunt, and he would throw eggs at
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: my face, was like the gag, and the guy the
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: producer was they were going back and forth on whether
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: they thought that was too like joky, so then they
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: were going to have him juggle. And then I think
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: Leno said after he saw the I think we did both.
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: They were kind of like goofed around during the dress
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: rehearsal and he said specifically, yeah, let's just do the eggs,
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: and I think he regretted it because he ended up, Uh,
• 53:28
  Speaker 7: circus boy Bobby Hunt ended up playing it up a
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: little bit, and I think I think Leno got some
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: eggs on him and so he quickly during the commercial
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: ran took off and I think he got touched up
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: and uh Bobby had put his hand like in Leno's hair,
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: So I think I think it Uh yeah, I'm kind
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: of curious if that pissed him off or if he
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: was cool with it or what. But he you know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: he did the rest of the show and we didn't
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: end up getting a chance. We got a photo with him,
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: but we didn't I didn't ask.
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: But it was fun. It was a fun, fun time.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that that I mean that that is you know,
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: one in a life, one in a lifetime opportunity, you know,
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think that you know that that's
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: an amazing story. And you know, it just goes to
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: show you Jason, you know, it depends on your network
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: and it also depends upon your portfolio. That's that's just
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: two things.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: And taking a chance, I think that was that was
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: a huge part. It is just I it was kind
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: of just like I'm just going to do this and
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: what's the worst that could happen? You know, And yeah,
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: and it worked out.
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: Very cool.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: And uh, you know, Jason, we've been talking for about,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: you know, fifty minutes now, So in closing, is there
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: anything that maybe we haven't talked about that maybe you
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: wanted to discuss or is there any sort of anything
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: you wanted to say sort of put a uh, you know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: a period at the end of this whole conversation.
• 54:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's the lot of pressure.
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I would just say, I mean kind of going
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: along with that theme of taking a chance, I think,
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: take a chance, but then also like stick with it.
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm one of those people who have multiple interests,
• 55:12
  Speaker 7: but I feel like I still stick with the general
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: you know, the I like animation, I like the things
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: that I like doing, I stick with and eventually have
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: developed an ability.
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: To make a business out of it.
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: And so you know, whether you're a professional whatever you're doing,
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: or and someone who wants to get into some kind
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: of art field or non art field, you know, just
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: making it like part of part of one's life, I
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: think is really the secret to to pulling that off.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: And so granted I'm not I mean with an NBA
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: could be working for some corporation making you know, widgets
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: or car parts or something. But instead I'm you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: making a modest income making comic books, animated videos and
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: teaching people to do different creative stuff.
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: So I think.
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: You don't have to pick like this is the thing
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: I'm going to do. I guess that's one lesson as well.
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: But making that part of one's life and taking chances
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: is important.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you also get to come on podcasts and
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: have me WHR questions at you.
• 56:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, which which is exciting. Yeah, it's been fun.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Jason. Where can people find you out online?
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: The best place to find me right now is Compulsive
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: Creative dot com and if you're interested in the animation course,
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: learn to Animate course dot com.
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: Those are those are the best places.
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: Otherwise Twitter, it's kind of probably the best place on
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: Twitter is Jason Love's life at Jason Loves Life and yeah,
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: I guess that's everything else is through Compulsive Creative. So
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: you could just search for that on different social medias.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Awesome, and I'll look to that and everyone in the
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: show notes so you can contact Jason Jason Love. Thank
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: you very much for coming on.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks for having me.
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, it's been my pleasure. And I want to wish
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: you the best of luck with everything. And I'll keep
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: you informed of what I do with my stop most animation.
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm excited to I'm excited to see it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. All right, Jason, take care
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: of my friend.
• 57:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, you two see it.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Bye bye.
• 57:13
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• 57:15
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