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S6 E4 - Cassie Jo Stoddart - The Scream Murder · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 2: us what we will be covering it tonight?
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  Speaker 1: So tonight we'll be covering the case of Cassie Stoddard.
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  Speaker 1: She was an innocent teenager who was brutally murdered by
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  Speaker 1: two of her friends.
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  Speaker 3: Do not like.
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  Speaker 2: It? Well? What before we get into that, let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about what we're drinking, Hi Savage, what are you drinking tonight?
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  Speaker 1: I am drinking Forever Young Rose again, balanced and juicy
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  Speaker 1: with light tannins. The wine pops with flavors of red fruit,
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  Speaker 1: white peaches, and citrus and finishes clean with mineral notes
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  Speaker 1: of chalk and fresh acidity. Chalk it does, but it's
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  Speaker 1: it's good. I don't know if I would describe it
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  Speaker 1: as chalk, but it has a little bit of After
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  Speaker 1: the tannins, you get a little bit of a you know,
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  Speaker 1: like when you blow chalk in the dust, you kind
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  Speaker 1: of get a little.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, whose favorite break from elementary school was taken? And
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  Speaker 2: cleaning off the erasers in the room. Oh is the
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  Speaker 2: best when you got to pick up for that?
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  Speaker 1: And because this case some friends, I decided to drink
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  Speaker 1: out of my best spring glass that says Terry and Cheryl.
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  Speaker 1: We each have one. Oh, because real friends don't do
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  Speaker 1: what these guys did.
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  Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say, I want to call these
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  Speaker 2: guys friends. Well, tonight, I am drinking Stella Rosa Original
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  Speaker 2: Honey Peach. This is a refreshing semi sweet wine with
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  Speaker 2: flavors of honey and peach. I know, crazy, Uh, serve
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  Speaker 2: look at me. I'm so ready to read tonight. Serve
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  Speaker 2: to chill with fresh fruit, cheese, spicy cuisine and dessert.
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  Speaker 2: And it's pretty good. It's again not a very high alcohol,
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  Speaker 2: but it's nice. No, No, it has like a bubbly
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  Speaker 2: the Stellar Rosa. This is the second bottle I tried,
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  Speaker 2: and it has kind of like the bubbles of like champagne,
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  Speaker 2: but just a little bit, and I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Savage Honey, I'm gonna need you to put down the
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  Speaker 1: matches love, Okay, please, okay, don't do that? Okay, do
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  Speaker 1: we need you here, and we don't want everyone's hurt.
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  Speaker 1: At least video and share it in the discord. Okay, art,
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  Speaker 1: he's looking for new content, Savage. They're just kidding, all right.
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  Speaker 2: Well with that, you guys, let's get into the story
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  Speaker 2: of tonight's case because it is a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a long one, yes, but boy it starts off just
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  Speaker 2: from the beginning, So let's get into it, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So Cassie Joe Stoddard was born on December twenty first,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. She had an older sister, Christy, and
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  Speaker 2: a younger brother, Andrew. She's so pretty, she is beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: so pretty. Cassie was especially close to Andrew, who was
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  Speaker 2: just one year behind her in school. He later shared
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  Speaker 2: that they were raised primarily by their grandparents and described
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  Speaker 2: Cassie as he had strong sibling, someone he always looked
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  Speaker 2: up to. And then Christie, who was seven years older
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  Speaker 2: than Cassie, was not as close to the younger too,
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  Speaker 2: which makes sense, it's to say, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, absolutely makes sense. Who wants to, you know, hang out.
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  Speaker 4: With the.
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  Speaker 2: Right that's quite an age difference. Then yeah, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: she loves them just the same. But I as a
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  Speaker 2: teenager would not want to be hanging out with seven
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  Speaker 2: year olds. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Cassie was a typical teenager. She loved music, and she
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  Speaker 1: was artistic unlike me, and she especially loved to draw,
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  Speaker 1: unlike me. Friend said she got along with everyone and
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  Speaker 1: was always trying to make the people she loved laugh.
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  Speaker 1: Some described her as being quite at first, but once
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  Speaker 1: she got to know her, she was anything but quiet.
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  Speaker 1: So she kind of reminds me of Monkey Button that way.
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  Speaker 1: Quiet at first, and then once she's comfortable, she's like
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  Speaker 1: me and won't shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm similar to that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not as much now, but definitely before. Now sixteen
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  Speaker 2: years old, Cassie was a junior at Pocatella High School
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  Speaker 2: in Pocatel How did you just say that? I said, Pocatello.
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  Speaker 2: Is that not right?
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  Speaker 1: You said Pocatella. It's Pokatella. Oh but you said pocket
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I you didn't me, Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: that's nothing mispronouncing. I figured it.
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  Speaker 2: Was Pocatello because when I was reading all this, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, pokn it's probably I don't even know if
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  Speaker 2: that's how you say it. But well, I've also already
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  Speaker 2: read like a billion words earlier today, I study Hi,
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  Speaker 2: welcome now. She was dating Matt Beckham, and they had
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  Speaker 2: been an exclusive couple for about five months. Very serious.
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  Speaker 2: Like many teenagers, they spent much of their time together
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  Speaker 2: so young looking. Oh goodness, I know it looks like
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  Speaker 2: story is still heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 1: Matt was described as a regular teenager, much like Cassie.
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  Speaker 1: The two enjoyed typical high school activities, spending time with friends,
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  Speaker 1: watching movies, listening to music. Cassie's family cared for Matt
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  Speaker 1: and believed the two made a sweet couple. Both Cassie
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  Speaker 1: and Matt were said to be responsible and level headed teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: which does not always a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like what does it even mean? Though?
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  Speaker 1: I mean you'll find out why they were responded.
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  Speaker 2: Now on excuse me. On September twenty second, two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and six, Cassie went to school like she did every
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  Speaker 2: other day. The only difference was that she brought an
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  Speaker 2: overnight bag with her. After school, she was heading to
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  Speaker 2: her aunt and uncle's home on Whispering Cliffs Drives to
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  Speaker 2: house it and care for their pets while they were
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  Speaker 2: out of for the weekend, which is a big deal
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  Speaker 2: for a sixteen year old responsible. I guess right, there's
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  Speaker 2: that responsibleness.
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  Speaker 1: Cassie had permission for her boyfriend Matt to come over
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  Speaker 1: and spend time with her and watch television hang out.
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  Speaker 1: Her family trusted both of them. The plan was for
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  Speaker 1: Matt to stop by each day hang out, but they
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  Speaker 1: weren't worried about Cassie. They were comfortable with her staying
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  Speaker 1: in the home on her own. I just all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden had a vision of myself when I house
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  Speaker 1: set at sixteen, and I was playing through my head
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  Speaker 1: and I totally couldn't read because I was like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know what I was doing and not responsible
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  Speaker 2: or level headed. No, it was not. Now, Cassie arrived
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  Speaker 2: at her aunt and uncle's home on Whispering Cliff's Drive,
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  Speaker 2: settled in, spent some time with the pets, and called
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  Speaker 2: Matt to finalize their plans for the evening. It was
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  Speaker 2: meant to be a simple night, just watching movies together
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  Speaker 2: while she house set. And that's a really cute home.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it A do like that? I think it's adorable.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it looks like a vampire.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Matt arrived around six point thirty, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: spend the evening with his garyl hangout. Now, some reports
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  Speaker 1: say that Matt invited Brian and Tory over without Cassie knowing,
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  Speaker 1: But then there's others that say Cassie knew they were
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  Speaker 1: coming and that they were told there were going to
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  Speaker 1: be a party at the house, even though there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to be.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Oh hey, there's stupid faces. Don't worry, you guys
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  Speaker 2: will too. Now. Interestingly, Tory and Brian had initially declined
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  Speaker 2: the invitation. It was only after Matt told them there
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  Speaker 2: was a party that they agreed to come over. A
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  Speaker 2: detail of that at the time may have sounded like
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  Speaker 2: typical teenage behavior. Though I kind of wonder about this,
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  Speaker 2: considering what we know they did, all this planning, premeditation,
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  Speaker 2: I don't really think that that's entirely accurate. Well, I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: Because we don't know when they got invited to go over.
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  Speaker 1: Because Cassie, I found so she had known for like
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  Speaker 1: since Monday that she was going to be doing it. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this wasn't right random? Okay, so it was totally random, gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: Cassie being kind and welcoming, She showed Tory and Brian
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  Speaker 1: around the house when they arrived, She walked them through
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  Speaker 1: the bedrooms, the kitchen, the basement, all while keeping an
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  Speaker 1: eye on things and making sure nothing was damaged. Because
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  Speaker 1: Brian was known to be a little wild at times.
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  Speaker 1: He was like that young teenager. They're like, oh, let's
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  Speaker 1: knock that on the floor. Oh, I want to play
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  Speaker 1: with this kind of thing. And she was responsible even
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  Speaker 1: in someone else's home. She took the role of house
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  Speaker 1: sitter very serious.
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  Speaker 2: Oh there's that responsible level of huddenness again. You're right now.
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  Speaker 2: After the tour, the group settled into the living room
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  Speaker 2: to watch Kill Bill two. Tory and Brian didn't seem
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  Speaker 2: very interested in that movie, so immediately go to jail.
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  Speaker 2: Send him to jail right now, nothing even happens. Go
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  Speaker 2: to jail seeing it. Oh it's so good.
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  Speaker 1: I love the kill Bills.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, they thought, and especially for two guys who are
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  Speaker 2: all like, ooh, we're all about writing scriptsly movies will
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  Speaker 2: woo and you didn't seem interested in Kill Bill two? Okay, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: they thought they were going to a party, not a
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  Speaker 2: quiet movie night with a couple.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, who wants to sit there and watch your
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  Speaker 1: friends make out and kttle on the couch? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: come on you. At one point, Brian left the room,
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  Speaker 1: saying he was going to the bathroom or the kitchen
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  Speaker 1: for a snack, but he was gone long enough that
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  Speaker 1: Cassie went to check on him and brought him back
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  Speaker 1: to the living room. Then, after about an hour, Run
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  Speaker 1: and Tory said we're done. We're leaving, telling Cassie and
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  Speaker 1: Matt they were getting ahead to a movie theater to
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  Speaker 1: see a film instead.
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  Speaker 2: To see a film over kill exactly, Lady and Gray
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  Speaker 2: hate them already.
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  Speaker 1: Kill Bill two is Tarantino.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so is the first one.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen the first one either.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So, yeah, I know you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: be out for a while again. I'm going to write
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  Speaker 2: stuff down that you need to watch. You remember how
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: awesome Game of Thrones was when you finally succumbed.
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  Speaker 1: That's what happens when you take drugs and watch TV
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: shows that Lama tells you to watch.
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  Speaker 2: You get up. That's right. I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 2: a whole list. Hi, Lani, Hi, you can.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Give me a whole list. Please put it together. And
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: if you're in the Discord, there is bad and the Discord,
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  Speaker 1: drop me movies to see.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we'll keep her busy. Now, Cassie and Matt walk
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  Speaker 2: the boys out, then return to the couch, settling back
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  Speaker 2: in together to continue the movie. You know, just settling
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  Speaker 2: in and having a quiet night, just the two of them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's cute. It's cute.
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  Speaker 1: Lady and Gray. Lama and Terry are always right, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: not just Lama. Double h just texted me and he goes,
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  Speaker 1: you have seen Kill Bill. You probably just don't remember it. Okay,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you don't remember, you got to watch it again. I
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: don't remember names of movies, but I remember the movie
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  Speaker 1: like if I start watching him like, oh shit, I've
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: seen this, and I can tell you the whole storyline.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So that's no. Leebras are not always right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Study's having dental surgery tomorrow. I need some recommendations, may
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I suggest Sir Laura Owen saga to you first, and yes, yes,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: everybody put your favorites up to watch it. In the chat,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: we'll talk to real movie buffs and out these two
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  Speaker 2: teenage douche neot nozzles.
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  Speaker 1: About fifteen to twenty minutes after they finally resumed watching,
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  Speaker 1: because they went and took the dog out, got snacks
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  Speaker 1: and things. The power in the house suddenly went out.
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  Speaker 1: The couple assumed it was just a brief outage and
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  Speaker 1: expected it to come back on, and it did so
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  Speaker 1: they felt relieved, but that relief didn't last long. The
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  Speaker 1: power shut off again shortly after it returned.
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  Speaker 2: Do not like this, and do not like this at all.
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  Speaker 2: Wanting to make sure everything was okay, Matt got up
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  Speaker 2: to check the house and see what might be causing
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  Speaker 2: the issue. As he moved to investigate, Cassie's aunt and
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  Speaker 2: uncle's dogs began barking and growling at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the stairs that led down to the basement. Hearing that,
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  Speaker 2: Matt decided he didn't want to leave Cassie alone in
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  Speaker 2: the living room, so he returned to the couch and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: the two of them stayed and stayed seated together. This
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: is the point where Lama leaves the house. All right,
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  Speaker 2: my dogs are acting weird. I'm out okay, No.
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  Speaker 1: But how sweet of a teenage boy. Instead of trying
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  Speaker 1: to be all mainly and go check things out, he
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  Speaker 1: went and sat back down with his sweet girl.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, probably weirded him out too. There's been times
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  Speaker 2: where I've been like you know, Eublifet and I have
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  Speaker 2: been in our bedroom and I'll be like, I thought
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I heard something. He's like, well, what the fuck do
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: you want me to do? And then he grabs like
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: some random thing like a hangar or something.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Like what are you gonna do with that?
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: He's like, I got to roll. I'm like, okay, well
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: fall in front of them so I can get out quicker.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks, oh sweet precious. Feeling uneasy after the power outages,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Matt called his mom and asked if he could stay
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the night with Cassie. The darkness and the strange interruptions
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: had rattled her and he didn't want to leave her alone. Mom,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: being a responsible parent, told him no, and also because
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: she had a surprise for him. I think, as they
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: were sixteen in a relationship, you I want them spend
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the night.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, I or at least I mean maybe
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: even if you believe your kids at that point that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: that is happening, and would still be like mmm mmm,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a lately story.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I will tell you they were having sex, because we'll
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: get to it later. One of the boys' moms is
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: a you know, they were sixteen and in love, but
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: they used protection. It was found in the toilet.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Responsible and little bit so, but his mom did offer
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: another solution, and Cassie was welcome to come stay at
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: their house since the power was out at her aunt
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and uncle's home, but Cassie declined she felt a responsibility
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to remain there. She was house sitting, caring for the pets,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and she intended to follow through on that commitment. So see,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the mom isn't a wicked mother. There's adults there so.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: And look how responsible she was being. Just before ten
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: thirty pm, Matt's mom arrived to pick him up. The
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: power came back on briefly, but then went out again.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Matt figured the power would be back on again shortly
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: since it kept going off and on, and he wasn't
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: overly worried or concerned, unlike Lama would be. When his
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: mom picked him up, his dad was also in the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: car with her, which was the surprise she had mentioned,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: because guys, his dad had been away in rehab and
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: he was not expected to be back home yet, so
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: it was, you know, a surprise.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Surprise, an interesting surprise, but okay. Now, After his mom
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: picked him up, Matt then called Tory to see where
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: he was and whether they could meet up. Tory answered
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: whisper saying he was in a movie that was not
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: as good as Kill Bill Too, and would call him
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the next day. Matt had no way of knowing, though,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: that his call to Tory would set events into motion
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that would forever change all of their lives. Oh boy,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: here we go, guys.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Oh savage, why do we need to fix elbow feet spanner?
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with it?
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: No?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They're just okay.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with it? Brian Draper was
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: born in nineteen ninety and was adopted at birth by
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Pam and Carrie Draper. The Draper family which included Pam, Carrie, Brian,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and his sister Tiffany. Not a horse, Oh, elbowfette. That's
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: because I misspelled elbowfeet.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Oh I am drinking out of my storm Trooper. I
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: didn't drink picked the Bubba fe one.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But the Drapers initially lived in Utah before moving to Pocatella, Idaho,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: when Brian was just a wee twelve years old.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, By the way, I didn't know which one
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: was which, Like their names matching what they're with faces?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: That's not who I thought. I thought Brian was the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: other one. Interesting.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Look at the eyes.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I know I know, I see it more now, I'm like, oh, okay, actually,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: dug that makes more sense. Yeah, oh Amos, says her too.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: She thought it was the other way around. So interesting, Okay,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: well all right. So Brian was raised in a typical
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Mormon household. There have been reports that Brian was known
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to be a troubled and that he maintained a MySpace
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: page where he posted about suicide and murder, along with
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: expressing a fascination with the Columbine Shooters. How original, Brian,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you're such an edge lord. Although he
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: grew up in a sheltered environment, Brian said he spent
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a great deal of time alone, stating that his mother
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: was often busy and his father was not around. He
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: learned he had been adopted when he was ten years old,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: just two years before the family relocated to Idaho.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting you'll hear later, you know he talks
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: about his father was not around. His father traveled out
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of state to work to be able to afford for
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: them to live in this nice bougie place.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: What an asshole?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: How dare he be a responsible? Addbt adult? Brian Andre
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: shared a strong interest in movies, especially horror films. Inspired
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: by that interest, the two teenagers decided it would be
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: cool to write their own screenplay. They settled on the
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: idea of a horror story centered around two teenage killers.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, which I'd never a story like that
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: has never been written in the history of ever. What
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: fucking geniuses they are. Oh my goodness, Elbow Wow, you.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Are so freaking adorable.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: It's funny. This guy sucks, So it's fine.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: He sucks. That's why I'm like so okay with it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know he has a kid. But guess what, wait,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: just wait, people. Brian was already known for carrying a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: video camera with him and filming nearly everything he recorded
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: himself and Tory driving around talking about everyday teenage topics,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: along with conversations that were far more disturbing on camera.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: They discussed their fascination with the perpetrators of the Combine
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: massacre and their admiration for characters Billy Loomis Stu what Machra, Yeah, Mocker, No,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's Mocker from the original Scream movie The
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Buffy's Gonna yell at me any minute. They also talked
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: about what it would be like to commit a school
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: shooting and even made initial plans all while recording themselves.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So these two bozos are the least creative people on
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the plants basically, So you're not even that creative or special.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But sure, and I know Buffy is not able to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: be with us tonight. But Buffy, it's all for you, baby,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: That's true for you. This case was brought to us
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: by Buddy. We finally got to be able to do it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So they yes, they're also dumb. Oh just wait to
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: see how dumb. Let's return to the night of September
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: twenty second, two thousand and six. After Matt left, Cassie
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: began getting ready to settle in for the night. Not
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: long after the power went out again. Earlier in the evening,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it had flickered off, on, off and on, coming back
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: on and off, so she reasonably assumed it would do
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Instead of searching the house or going
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: down to the basement, she decided, you know what, I'm
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: just gonna lay down on the couch and wait.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I would do. I give you that or leave.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I ain't gotta go check it out.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And based on what had al really happened, she did
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the logical thing and did not.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Panic, right, but I scare myself walking to the kitchen
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to my bedroom, which I was like fifteen feet away
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: from each other. So it doesn't take much now. What
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Cassie did not know, though, was that during the house
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: tour she had kindly given them, Brian and Tory had
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: unlocked the basement door.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: That's where it gets up after leaving earlier that even
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Brian and Torrey returned to the house. Before coming back inside,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: they had changed clothes, armed themselves with the knives they
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: had purchased, along with masks.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I know, sorry, lady and Gray, there there's mask. They
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: made noise in the basement, hoping it would draw Cassie downstairs.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: When she did not come down, they went upstairs instead.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: They found Cassie lying on the couch and there they
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: attacked her, stabbing her thirty times. Thirty times. Told you
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: they gush canoes?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, there might be a mouse.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: No, we annihilated them all.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: The next day. No, the next day, on Saturday, September
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: twenty third, two thousand and six, Matt tried to reach
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Cassie but was unable to get her on the phone.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Throughout the day, no one spoke with her. Her family
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to hear from her while she was house sitting,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and that kind of just assumed she was simply busy.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I also remember it's two thousand and six,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: all right, while cell phones are a thing, and being
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: this age and having a cell phone like it was
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: not as common then for kids as it is now.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Like I only got a phone because I had a
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: job to payment phone bill, and that was like my
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: senior year of school or something like that. So to
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: not hear from somebody isn't really like a big deal
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: in this timeframe, you know.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: So, I mean back in my day, honey, we had pagers.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Right now, he spent time hanging out with Tory, that's right.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: That next day, Matt hangs out with Tory, believing that
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: everything was normal. He then had reached out to Cassie's mom,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: who had not spoken with her either, who then tried
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to call her daughter several times, but it was also
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: unable to reach her. Still, no immediate alarms were raised.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, they may not have called waiting or an
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: answering machine. If you don't know what we're talking about,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: then just trust me. This is all normal and fine. Okay,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: and it's the smallest town in Idaho, you know.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: So on Sunday, September twenty fourth, Cassie's aunt, uncle, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: her thirteen year old cousin Allison, returned home. Allison rushed
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: ahead and was the first to walk inside. What she
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: encountered was something no child or human should ever have
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to witness.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Lying on the living room floor was her sixteen
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: year old cousin, Cassie deceased. In a panic, Cassie's aunt
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: called nine one one, reporting that her niece, who had
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: been house sitting, was on the floor and dead.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: The nightmare for Cassie's family and friends had just begun,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and what happened that weekend would ripple outward, touching Matt
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and his family, and shaking the entire community.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I would think, so yeah, I mean goodness. Now police
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: began to carrying the house and processing the scene. At
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the time or at the same time, an officer was
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: sent to Cassie's home to deliver the devastating news to
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: her mother and family. That's tough, so.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Cassie's mother, Anne told investigators she did not know of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: anyone who would want to hurt her daughter. She did
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: share that Cassie's boyfriend had planned to spend the night
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: with her while she was or spend time with her
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: while she was house sitting. Anne did call Matt and
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: scream at him, what did you fucking do to my daughter?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Oh? Bet, bet bet? I mean also listen, no shame.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: It usually is the significant other, Okay, yep, so I
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: and I can't even imagine the emotions that she's feeling already,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you know, so I would do the same man, No
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: judgment from me. Yeah, called their friends and did it,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and a little girl found her. What a bunch of mons.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be using friends my little quotes like I
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: do for a pat and pos because those are not.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Friends, right, No, all right. So, As is often the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: case and investigations, police initially focused on the person closest
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to the victims. Police went to Matt's home to inform
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: him about Cassie and to ask when he had last
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: seen and spoken with her. This kid is lucky as
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: shit is. All I have to say is, oh my goodness.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Matt was upfront and cooperative. He told invest gators at
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the last time he saw Cassie was Friday night, when
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: his mom picked him up from r aunt uncle's house.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: He explained that he tried to call her on Saturday
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: but had been unable to reach her. Guys, he didn't
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: have his own car. It's not like he could just
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: jump in his car and run over there. So don't
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: even start that game, people.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Right, They're just kids still in the early aunts now.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: The first officer who spoke with Matt felt his reaction
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: was not what he expected from a grieving boyfriend and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: began to view him as a possible person of interest.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's totally normal responses when a sixteen year
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: old finds out that their girlfriend or significant other was
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: brutally murdered at a house they were just at.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: And he left her there, didn't force her to come
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, what are you expagining what you can't
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: even really like process that, you know what I mean? Now,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Matt was brought in for a formal interview regarding the
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: murder of his girlfriend, Cassie Stoddard.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: During question, Matt walked investigators through the events of Friday night.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: He explained that he had arrived at the house, you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: he got there first, and that later their friends Brian
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Draper and Tory Admic came over and watched part of
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a movie before leaving. He described the repeated power outages
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: told the police that the dogs had been growling and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: barking towards the basement stairs. Matt also shared that he
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: had wanted to stay with Cassie because she was nervous
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: about the power issues, but he wasn't able to. His
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: mom picked him up he went home. He then detailed
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: his activities on Saturday and confirmed that he had tried
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: to call Cassie but he was never able to reach her.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: God that just kills me.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I know, fuck right, Elphi is his brain is far
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: fully formed. I mean I dropped that. Mom, Sola, it's fine.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: You had alone the moment. It's fine. Police asked Matt
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: to take a polygraph test, and he agreed and passed.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: With the test results, confirmation from his mother about picking
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: him up Friday night, and his phone records supporting his account,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: investigators shifted their focus to other potential suspects.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Matt, you got lucky that things worked out well. Never
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: ever take a polygraph test, okay, and always have an attorney.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You got lucky that you weren't in Chicago or over
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: there in Massachusetts.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And that Tory and whatever his name is. I don't
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: remember their stupid Brian that they were idiots. So because
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: if they weren't, I do think that Matt would they
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: they would have put a lot of pressure on that kid.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: At one point, Cassie's mom's boyfriend also became a person
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of interest after his fingerprints were found at the house. However,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: he was later cleared when it was established that his
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: fingerprints were there because he had previously worked on the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: electrical in the home because he was an electrician.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Well, he got lucky too, he didn't, right.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And just you know, your headlines that you've added gave
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: me a capin moment. Oh really, I felt a little
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: bit of capin love.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm not going to label him the slides,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: but I love labeling all the headers. So that's the
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: closest I get to bringing her spirit into our shows now.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: During Matt's interrogation, he answered questions about Brian and Tory.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: He told investigators that he was closer friends with Tory
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: than with Brian. He explained that Cassie was also friends
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: with them, but not really especially close. Matt also shared
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: that before he and Cassie became a couple. Both Brian
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and Tory had shown some interest in her. I mean
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: that's just teenager. They will literally be interested in anything
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: most of the time. Let's be honest.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I mean they would like the wind when it blows
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: a certain way. Tory had first been questioned at his
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: home on September twenty fourth, two thousand and six, with
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: his father Sean present. Detective Thomas and Gangsky conducted that interview.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Tory told them that he and Brian had gone to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Cassie's aunt and uncle's house on Friday, September twenty second
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: because they thought they were going to a party.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: He said that after watching part of a movie and
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: realizing there was no party, they decided to return to
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Pocatello to see a movie. And I'm sure it's better
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: than Kilbill too, Right, Let's find out what they went
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and saw. Tory stated that they watched Pulse. Really really,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: is that better than Kilbill too? I do not think so. However,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: when detectives asked him about the movie he had supposedly
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: just seen two days earlier, he was unable to provide details.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: He then told officers that after the movie, he and
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Brian went back to his house, where Brian spent the nights.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Brian Draper was also questioned that evening, although his initial
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: interview was not recorded. During questioning, Brian told police that
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: after he and Tory left Cassie's aunt uncle's house, they
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: went to the movies. He said, the film they had
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: originally planned to see had already started by the time
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: they arrived in town, so they chose to watch Pulse instead.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Despite describing himself as a big movie buffo, Brian, Brian
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: too was unable to provide officers with the plot or
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: any meaningful details about the movie.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Listen, I've never seen Pulse, but by looking it up
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: it may, in fairness to them, it may not have
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: had much of a plot or meaningful details. But still
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: you should at least if you're a movie above and
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: even if you watch a shitty movie, you are going
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to love talking shit about that movie.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So can you find out where they really were?
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Right, right, losers?
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Or so where they say they really were to your research?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: So okay, yes? Like Tory, Brian stated that they had
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: purchased their tickets with cash. He also added that a
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: girl from school named Heather had been working at the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: theater that night. And that they had spoken with her
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: a while. They had spoken with her while they were
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: there own, how convenient.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Police then brought Brian and Tory in for formal questioning
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: on September twenty fifth. Both sixteen year olds were taken
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to the police station with their parents present. During the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: initial interviews, Brian and Torrey's accounts were pretty similar, including
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the fact that neither of them could tell anything about
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the movie that they supposedly saw.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Now On Tuesday, September twenty sixth, two thousand and six,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Brian was brought in for another interview. His parents accompanied
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: him to the station, but they were not present in
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the interview room. Brian was read his Miranda rights, which
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: is my good bride rye, and agreed to speak with
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: officers without an attorney. Such a little genius, aren't they
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: so smart?
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Well, their parents aren't much better. He initially repeated the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: same account, stating that he and Tory had gone to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: hang out with Matt and Cassie, became bored and then
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: went to see the late showing of Poulse What. An
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: officer told Brian he did not believe that story. Brian
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: quickly changed his version of events.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, what a plot twist. This is like m
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Night Shyamalan over here.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: He said that he and Tory had changed into dark clothing,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: put on gloves, and gone out to burglarize cars, right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Because that's better. You couldn't even said you were like
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: making out and banging some assumption. You're like, nope, we
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: were definitely committing a felony crimes.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, I would get better. Brian said they didn't
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: find anything of value, so they didn't steal anything.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Oh so it's not illegal, right.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And he said, well, we only said we went to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a movie to cover up what we were really doing.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Bravo, Brian, Bravo. Oh wait, that's toy. I'm sorry, Bravo. Tory, Bravo. No, no, Brian,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Now that's Brian's claim. I'm sorry. I get them all
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: mixed up because now that I know what they look like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: it switches me up right. Oh my gosh. Now, when
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: officers asked what part of town they had been in
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: while going through cars, Brian said he did not remember.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Detectives again told him they did not
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: believe his story. Brian insisted he was telling the truth.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: He was not arrested that day. And left with his
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: parents after agreeing to take a polygraph test the following day. Also,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: remember he was an inspiring screenwriter. He can't even come
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: up with anything exactly.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Later that same day, a detective went to the Draper
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: residence with consent from Brian and his parents. The detective
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: searched Brian's bedroom for potential evidence connected to the crime scene,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: including gloves. During the search, officers found a knife sheath,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: but no knife, and when they questioned Brian about it,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: he said it belonged to a friend and claimed the
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: friend likely had the knife that went with it.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure, God, Brian's an idiot. These are criminal masterminds.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: They do need to tune in more to TCWT to NO.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I'm glad they got caught. They were stupid and they
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: deserved it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I've seen the Italian job Lady in Gray so many times.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: We own it now. On Wednesday, September twenty seventh, my birthday,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Brian returned for a third interview. It was expected that
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: he would take the polygraph test he had agreed to
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: the day before. Before the test began, Brian his parents
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: asked for privacy and officers allowed them time alone.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: When they came back into the interview room. Brian's parents
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: appeared visibly upset. Brian was read his rights again and
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: agreed to answer questions. Both of his parents remained present
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: for this interview.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Elfie, did the cops over pay buying a used polygraph
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: machine and they needed to justify its existence? I think
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: so so many polygraphs happening a small town.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: They got to get their money's.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Worth right now. Brian's old officers that he and Tory
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: had unlocked a door at Cassie's aunt and uncle's house
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: during the earlier visit so they could return later and
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: scare Cassie and Matt. He said they came back wearing
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: black clothes, mask and gloves, and that they were both
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: carrying knives.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, my first thought is, if you're going to scare somebody,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: why do you need knives?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I mean, I'm just ask intechkay, Brian.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Brian stated that after Matt left, he and Tory went upstairs.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: He then claimed that Tory attacked and stabbed Cassie. Ryan
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: said he initially thought Tory and Cassie were just trying
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: to scare him, and that he was shocked when he
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: realized Tory was actually stabbing her.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Sure, Brian Sure. He insisted that he never touched or
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: stabbed Cassie that night. Brian also told investigators that he
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: was afraid of Tory, saying that earlier that same day,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: before coming to the station with his parents, Tory had
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: threatened to kill him if he told anyone the truth.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Brian maintained that he was being honest. Finally, way to go,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Brian bravo and offered to take officers to the location
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: where he and Tory had disposed of items from the
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: night of September twenty second and six.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I am sorry, Betty, I am glad you're getting sedated
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: for your dental surgery as somebody who just went through
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: dental stuff. Yes, and you know what, if you're going
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: in the morning and you have AirPods or headphones, LAMA
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: will be on reading more of Laura Owen Shenanigan's it
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: helps with dental surgery in sedation. Just telling you.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: We're out of five dental patients recommend it.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: There are aspects of the interrogations that deserve discussion. Okay,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: And to be clear, this is not about defending Brian
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: or Tory.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: No, fuck those guys. Fuck them.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It's about laying out what happened and examining how it unfolded.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: The day Tory was arrested, he told detectives that he
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: wanted an attorney and did not wish to speak without
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: one present. Finally, finally, his father, Sean, asked if he
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: could speak privately with his son. Officers agreed, and they
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: were taken to a room that was not being recorded now.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: After that conversation, they returned to the interrogation room, believing
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the interview was over because Tory had invoked his right
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: to an attorney. I don't know why why you would
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: think that. Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: However, the recording continued and detectives kept talking. They explained
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: why Tory was being charged and told him it'll eat
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you up. It'll only get worse, my friend, it will
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: eat you up. Now. Sean repeatedly stated that he believed
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: they needed an attorney. Detectives continued pressing, telling Tory that
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: they knew he was involved and that someone else had
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: already implicated him. Shawn then told his son that if
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: asked his son, if or told us, then if any
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: of this was true, he needed an attorney. Tory responded yes,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: agreeing that he needed an attorney, not that he was guilty,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: but that he needed an attorney. Detectives later characterized that
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: yes as an agreement that their statements were all correct
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: instead of a renewed request for counsel because everything said
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: during that exchange was abso frecolutely used against him.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: That's right. They can and will use it against you.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: It's in the whole saying there's no ore, might, nope
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: and will. Now there are legitimate questions about how that
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: interaction was handled. Based on available records, there are concerns
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: about how the situation was presented and how statements were interpreted.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Reviewing the full interrogation footage would provide clearer context, but
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: one we don't have that, but we will be revisiting
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: this in the future here in the story, so put
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: a pin on that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Tory was not aware that Brian was back at the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: police station. After speaking with investigators, Brian, accompanied by his
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: father and officers, led them to Blackrock Canyon. There, he
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: showed them where the items from the night of September
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: twenty second had been buried, and.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Leading Gray asked how long did it take Toy to
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: say Brian did it? It was? What like a whole
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: or the other way around. Brian is Tory the other
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: way around? Like a whole? Two days?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll it'll take we'll get to Tory's but yeah,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Toy doesn't speak as much as Brian. Yeah, Tory's mother
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: does the talking.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Now. Officers recovered a number of items from the sites.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, look at that knife, oh, Michael, and look
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: at that massifying Oh that's horrifying. These stupid idiots. And
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: they found two dagger style knives with sheeths, a silver
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and black handled knife with a smooth blade, and a
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: folding survival style knife that had a smooth blade with
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: a serray edge at tip. They also found a sony videotape,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: a box of matches, a melted bottle of peroxide, partially
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: burned notebook paper, a singed multicolor mask, a red and
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: white mask that's in the picture there, that's horrifying, one
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: black glove, a pair of Puma gloves, a pair of
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: blue Latex gloves, a pair of fingerless workout gloves, a
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: black Calvin klined shirt, a black Hagar shirt, a white
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: and gray sock, and a piece of black cord. So
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: not only were they just bad at this, they're also
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: bad at setting things on fire. So okay, good.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Job they had peroxide. It was about a smidge in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the bottle and they thought that was going to be enough.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: To catch that on what idiots?
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian was arrested and taken to the Bangkok Counting Jail.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: After securing him and recovering the items that had been
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: burned and buried, officers turned their attention to locating Tory.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Now, Tory had not gone to school that day. I
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: imagine not either way, I probably wouldn't be going to
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: school either. Detectives went to his father, Sean's workplace, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: asked that Tory be brought to the station. Sean agreed,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: but only after keeping a previously scheduled meeting with a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: law firm that had been referred to him through prepaid legal.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sean met his wife, Shannon, and Tory at the
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: attorney's office. They paid for a consultation, but did not
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: formally retained the firm at that time, as they were
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: waiting for the other attorney who had been recommended, who
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: would be there the next day. The attorneys did advise
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: them not to speak with police, and told Tory that
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: if he did, he should request a public defender. They
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: even went so far as suggested which public defender they
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: believed was the best.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Right, keep your mouth shut. I know the mask is horrific.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: That that's the lasting she saw. It was just awful,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: these two ass hats. Now, despite that advice, when detectives
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: called and instructed them to come to the station, Sean
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: and Shannon brought Tory in. At this point, they did
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: not know that Brian had already implicated Tory and led
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: investigators to buried evidence. Tory was arrested and did not
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: return home with his parents. So it's not great for them,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Brian was later question for a fourth time. He was
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: read as Miranda Rights again and agreed to speak, even
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: though his parents were not present. Officers told him they
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: were unable to reach them. Brian stated he would answer
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: questions anyway. He initially maintained the previous version of events,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: insisting that he had not touched or stabbed Cassie and
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that Tory alone had attacked her.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: After confirmed questioning, Brian changed his account. He admitted that
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: he had stabbed Cassie several times in the legs and
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: chests because Core he told him he needed to stab
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: her as well. Brian said Tory told him that stabbing
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: her was not enough and that they needed to kill her.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: What a freaking hero he is. I'm not trying. I'm
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: not as bad as the other guy.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not the utter I did at all. I was
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: just there. At that point, Bryan stopped the interview and
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: asked to see his parents. Because he was a minor
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and he had the right to request her parent or
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: an attorney. The interview was terminated.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Brian Draper and Tory Adam Adam, I can't say that
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Adam sick. Adam mc yeah, I don't know anyway. Brian
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: and Tory, we're charged with first degree murder and conspiracy
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: to commit murder and the killing of Cassie Stoddard and Elbuffy.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: If you're listening, can you please com lne some outside.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Thanks now. It might seem like this is where the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: story begins to wrap up, but it wasn't. Investigators still
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: had an extensive amount of work ahead of them. Building
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: a case strong enough to secure a conviction would require
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: thorough evidence review, forensic analysis, and careful preparation. Because Cassie
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: deserved nothing less than a complete and relentless.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Pursuit of the truth monthing didn't or that she does.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: As questioning con and you, both Brian and Tory began
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: shifting responsibility onto the other, as usually that's how it goes,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: each attempting to minimize his own role. Brian described Tory
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: as the primary perpetrator. Tory, in turn claimed Brian was
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: the most responsible for the murders and the stabbings and
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: all the really horrific stuff. Yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: What followed was a back and forth of blame, each
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: trying to distance him sell from what had been done
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: to Cassie.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: About three months after Brian was arrested, his parents gave
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: an interview, and we have a clip along with a
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: clip of a phone call between Brian and his mother.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: So let's listen to this because I haven't heard of it.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: Brian didn't want us to know how much painting was in,
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: and he kept that very very separate from our life
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: with him and the family's life with him. He just
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: didn't want us to know how much pain he was in.
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: That's the thing that kept us up at the most
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: for the longest amount of time, is trying to find
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: trying to remember something that we missed. We had outed
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: Brian at birth. When I think about our relationship and
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: how strong of a relationship we had with Brian, and
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: how good of a relationship we had with Brian.
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: If you walked into our house back then, we were normal,
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: And why we didn't recognize that we had.
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: Such a problem h is horrific and something we still
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: cannot bear.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: I mean that's tough. Mm hm oh.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Hello hello.
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: This goal is subject to monitoring and recording. I just
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: wish you would have talked to me about this before,
• 57:30
  Speaker 6: because if you had told me anything, anything, tell.
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: Me what I told you that I carefully.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: You did.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, do you remember that?
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I'm sure that was a real conversation. Well wow, yeah.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: So the crime lab was able to recover part of
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the burned notebook paper found with the buried Adams. The
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: partially destroyed note read.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I read Brian is gonna to kill Cassie. Home alone.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Stap runs into toy. We murder Cassie is home alone. House,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Brian kills his on the back porch, his body on
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the back porch. House Brian has and we will kill
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: her killing Matt. Oh just you guys, Medialy only would
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: have gotten some therapy.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: They were going to kill Matt.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, exactly like earlier. I mean, he was lucky
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: that the cops didn't just hone in on him. But
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: he was also very lucky because they very clearly, we're
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: train time, it's an hour late, very clearly we're planning
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: on it, doing it twice. But you know what, I
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: think they chickened out to be quite honest, because going
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: up against Cassie, they probably were like, oh, we're confident
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: in that.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Well hear what the plan was, and Matt did not participate.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah you'll have to, Yeah.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: You'll hear. Okay.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: The wording was fragmented and difficult to follow, but it
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: clearly reflected violent intent. Detectives believe the notes suggested not
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: only plans involving Cassie, but also the possibility that Matt
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: would have been killed as well. And I think we
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: share it later. So remember when Matt said he went
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: and got back on the couch and decided not to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: go downstairs. They were trying to get Matt to come downstairs.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: So they oh, yeah, that's right, I forgot some I think.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: It's them there. Yeah. I've read so much now and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: gone down so many rabbit holes.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I get it, I get it now. Investigators then turned
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: their attention to the sony videotape recovered from Black Rock Canyon. Initially,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: it appeared blank, but after restoration, however, detectives sat down
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: to review it, unaware that they were about to watch
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: what amounted to the recorded inner thoughts of two deeply
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: disturbed teenagers. Brian and Tory had talked about writing a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: screenplay and had filmed themselves frequently. What was on that
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: tape would become critical evidence, and in this clip we
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: hear Brian and Tory wanting to be famous.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: They were sick, psygo basque.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Do I get pleasure of killing other people?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: That sounds good?
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Baby.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: We're gonna go down in history.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be just like Screams, except real life Turtives.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, but Ryan, I just set a therapy.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't do anything wrong. You sounded way more excited
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: than him.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 10: So hmm.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I have not listened to these tapes because I wanted
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: to save it.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Oh just saying, oh boy, oh boy, how original these
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: two detective saw on that restored tape was chilling. It
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: was not just that Brian and Torrey had planned to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: murder Cassie. It was that they had planned it and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: filmed it themselves, talking about it. The recordings took place
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: at school, also in the car, and at one point
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: they even expressed concern that a teacher might see them
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: because they were recording in class. On the tape they say,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry Cassie's family that she had to be the one.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Wait, these guys officers were forced to sit through the footage,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: documenting every word and every detail, and as the video
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: continued and it became clear that it only grew more disturbing.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: On September twenty second, at nine to fifty three pm,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: after leaving Matt and Cassie's at the house, Bran and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Torrey recorded another video. Sitting in the car. They spoke
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: about what they described is the unfortunate task of killing
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: their two friends, and I think we have video of
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: that clip. Okay, maybe we're playing it later.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Oh later later, gotcha? Okay. They talked about knowing there
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: were multiple doors and mentioned that they had unlocked one.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: They said they were nervous. In the same recording, they
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: casually discussed the band they were listening to. Thank Goodness,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: they cleared it up, but it was something shitty knowing
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: these two so they had waited a long time for
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: this and told viewers to stay tuned. Don't you worry,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: we will be playing all of this footage for you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: later in the show. What a bunch of idiots.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: For investigators. Hearing those words in their own voices left
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: no question. What happened to Cassie was not impulsive. It
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: had been talked about, anticipated and recorded.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're both garbage. I just want
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that out there. I think they're both equally horrible to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: have all this preparation for, however long recording yourself writing,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: they're both they're both garbage.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Oh both feet. You will find out what band you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: will hear later.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Dear, the chat needs to know what shitty band is it.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: He's not a shitty band, oh man. What Investigators Lady
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: later learned is that Brian and Tory, upon returning to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: the house, they attempted to lun Matt and Cassie downstairs
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: by making noise in the basement and manipulating the power,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: but it did.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then they heard Matt Lee. Shortly after, Matt called Tory.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: If you remember, Toy whispered that he was in a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: movie and would call him later. That was not true.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: He was not in the theater, guys. He was in
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: the basement with Brian, waiting for Cassie to be alone.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Now. When Cassie did not go downstairs, Brian and Tory
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: went upstairs into the living room, where she was lying
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: on the couch wearing Halloween mask. They were unrecognizable to her,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: which is just so awful. I don't know. Maybe it's
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: better she didn't actually see No, she.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Didn't know it was her.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Those I don't know. They're both awful choices. I don't know.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know which one would be worse. Anyway, Cassie
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: jumped up and asked who they were. She told them
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: she was going to kick there as I love that.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I love it, I love that they even I admitted
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: that Brian and Torrey were armed with knives. They attacked her,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: knocking her to the ground and continued stabbing her.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: After the attack, they left the house and got into
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Tory's car, driving back to Tory's home. Before leaving the area,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: they filmed themselves again, because of course they did.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Once at Tory's house, they went into the garage, retrieved
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: a garbage bag, and placed their clothes, the knives, the
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: tapes and other items inside.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: They then drove to the black Rock Canyon area to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: dispose of the evidence. The items remained buried there until
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Brian later led police to the site. I mean, I'm
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: not going to like say their disposal was great, but
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised that they were able to think that through. Yeah,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: to be quite honest, I'm a little surprised, but they
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: were still really dumb about it.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: They were so really dumb about it. Initially, Bran and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Tory were scheduled to beach tried together, their defense attorneys
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: requested separate trials due to potential conflicts and strategy, especially
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: since each was planning to blame the other.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: Boy. Toy that face is not working for you, bro.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Yeh Yeah.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: In January of two thousand and seven, the judge granted
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: the motion. Bryan's trial was set for April and Toris
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: was scheduled for late May. Given that both were accusing
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: the other of being primarily responsible, separate trials were not surprising, guys.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: While they awaited trial, investigators continued. Investigations continued on both sides.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Tory's family hired private attorneys rather than relying on a
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: court appointed.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Defender now is instant as a standard. All jail calls
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: were recorded and the defense received copies. Okay, because they
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: say it every time you go to make a call,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: answer a call. They're always saying it all the time,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: right to avoid additional expense. Tory's mother, Shannon, listened to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: and took notes on the recorded calls between both Brian
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: and his family and Tory and his own family. For
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: a parent, I do think that must have been an
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: incredibly painful task to hear both of them.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I no two people guys and no
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: two families handle crisis the same way. Tory and his
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: family were instructed by their attorney not to discuss the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: case at all during phone calls. Yes, according to reports,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Brian and his family did not follow that pattern, whether
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: because they were not given the same instructions or they
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: chose not to adhere to it because remember they had
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: a public defender.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, they are all going to tell you, don't
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: don't do it right, all right. I don't even think
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: a lawyer would encourage you to, even like you're making
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: it harder for them. You will make it harder for them,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: that's sure. Now, While Reviewing the jail calls, Tory's mother, Shannon,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: said she noticed that Brian's family discussed the case during
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: nearly every conversation with him. She also felt that they
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: were extremely vocal in their love and support for Brian.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: This perspective comes from Shannon's point of view, though, but
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: it had an impact on her, you know, it caused
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: her to question herself, her family and how they were
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: navigating the reality of the upcoming trial. And boy do
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I wish I could listen to their phone calls too,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: because I have thoughts. I think that he is still
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: manipulating them in jail, Like was he bringing it up
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: a lot with his parents? Like what how was the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: conversations actually going, you know, And I'm not going to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: knock anybody, listen. You are innocent until proven guilty. That's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: a fact, even though we know it happened.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Family members, you know, when you're loved ones in jail,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: you haven't been through the trial. You are jumping through
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: so many mental hoops true for innocence in them that
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: it does not surprise me that they were very vocal
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: in their love and support of this, because for this
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: to be all a big misunderstanding would be like a
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: miracle to them. So I mean, I don't really have
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: a problem with them loving and supporting him, but uh,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, we can. Toy's parents believe that Brian's family understood
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: that prosecutors and defense teams would be listening to those
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: recorded calls, and that the conversations could help lay the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: groundwork for Brian's defense. See during these calls, Brian and
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: his family reportedly continued placing blame on Tory and portraying
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Brian as innocent.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: I'm curious of where Brian learned because it's interesting to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: me that Brian was the first to squeal, the first
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: to point fingers, because they always say the first attack
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: gets the better end of the stick, right.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: You're gonna learn about Brian. Remember Brian was the troubled
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: one who had the MySpace page where you're gonna learn
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit more about mister Brian.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, we were feel like Laura.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Owens and maybe wasn't held accountable first.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's very apparent. Now. The two families
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: handled the situation very differently. Outside of visiting and speaking
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: with their sons and in circumstances like this, that difference
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: in approach is entirely normal, like it's a whole No,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: there's no I mean, I'm sure there's books written of
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: like what to do with your child's in.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Geniob how emotions.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: There's all kind of stuff, and they're all case by case, right,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: because every case is different, every situation is different, And
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: I doubt you're getting a lot of support by a
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: lot of people.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Because Brydon's family appeared to appeared to compartmentalize what was happening.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: While they supported their son and worked with his defense team,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: they continued with their life, going up to dinner, seeing friends.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Life in many ways was normal and moved forward for them.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Tori's parents handled it differently. Outside of going to work
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: and caring for their two other children, they were consumed
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: by Tori and his case. Their world narrowed to court dates,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: legal strategy, and worry. I mean, as that's probably how
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: that would be for anyone. I think the other group
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: likes to live in little dolulu land if you ask me, yeah, I.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: Mean, but we're all human. We may think we know
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: how we would respond in a situation like this, but guys,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: until we're living it, we truly don't know, because once
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: something kicks in, you have no idea how the endorphin
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: rush and all that's going to make you act.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: You do not know.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: M h.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: That is very true. Now. One detail Shannon shared in
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: her book, she wrote a book. We're going to talk
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: extensively about this book, The Guilty Innocent, stood out. After
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Tory had been in jail for several days, his parents
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: visited him. Shannon noticed that his lips were extremely dry
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: and that he kept licking them. He appeared dehydrated. When
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: she asked him if he was okay, Tory told her
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: he was very thirsty and that he was only given
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: a cup of milk with breakfast and dinner.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: So Shannon questioned a guard about why he was not
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: being given any water. The guard explained to her that
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Tory had a sink in his sale attached to the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: toilet and was expected to drink from that. For someone
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: familiar with Joel conditions that may see standard. But for
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: a sheltered Mormon teenager who had only ever gotten water
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: from a refrigerator or a bottle, it had never occurred
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: to him to use that sink.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: After Shannon raised the concern, the guard explained it to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: directly to Tory so he could access water. He literally,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: it says, he was like, oh, he never thought to
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: even put I mean I grew up drinking out of
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: a water hose outside. You put water in your hand
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: and you make a little cup.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: I mean it's two thousand and six. You know, the
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: kid at least drank out of his hand. Like It's
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: not like we barely had the filterard Mormon kids, we're
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Brita Fielders even a thing yet, I don't know. I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: don't know now. During the time awaiting trial, Tori was
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: placed on suicide watch. At one point. I was not
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: able to find similar information regarding Brian.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Brian Draper stood trial first. It was a brief trial,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: lasting just seven days. I was like, huh seven days.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Seven. During proceedings, prosecutors presented photographs of Cassie's lifeless body.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: The images were so difficult to view that several jurors
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: were visibly emotional and upset. Although numerous photos were entered
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: into evidence, the judge ruled that certain crime scene images
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: would be shown to the jury at a later time.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: They were not flashing them up on any big monitors.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Which is the more of a standard in the twe
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: the first century than before now. Detectives took the stand
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: and detailed the investigation. The recorded videos Brian and Tory
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: had made were played in court, along with the physical
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: evidence recovered from Black Rock Canyon and elsewhere. The jury
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: was confronted not only with what happened to Cassie, but
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: with the planning and recorded statements that preceded it, and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: the boys's general discussion about killing a large number of people.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 12: We're gonna go to the church over there, and we're
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 12: gonna call a girl a guy named Cassie and math
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 12: they're wrong, our friends, but we have to make sacrifices.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: So I feel tonight was that your voice, Brian.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: Itself?
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: That I feel like I want to kill someone?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 13: I know?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: Also, what the hell what to call a girl a guy?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 13: Na?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I may have missed labeled deb I'm sure we'll hear
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: the other one.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, that was Brian's voice the whole time, wasn't it?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: I think it was? Oh, yeah, I had nothing to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: deal with anything and was all Tory and yeah, Brian
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: needs to be running your mouth about everything, bro.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Now, an eighteen year old friend had testified that he
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: had gone with Brian and Tory to a local pawn
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: shop where knives, where the knives were purchased. That testimony
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: connected preparation to action.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these boilers, so fucked uh. The medical examiner also
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: took the stand and stated that Cassie had been stabbed
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: with different knives, so even more thought in wanting to
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: use the different weapons that was completely unnecessary. However, though
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: he could not determine whether more than one person had
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: stabbed car and no medical examiner can do that anyway,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: So you.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Know, the state was unable to get its forensics expert
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: to conclusively state that more than one weapon was used
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: by more than one individual. Because of that, prosecutors relied
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: heavily on the videotapes that the teens had recorded. The
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: next segment became one of the most significant pieces of
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: evidence in the state's case for premeditation, and we're going
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: to hear in this clip Brian and Tory talk about
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Cassie and how she is perfect.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Oh hopefully I labeled it right.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 13: Shit back, HM, and your patient never getting paid off
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 13: because I missed his whole board.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: So you got player.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 12: I'll break down now, So I'm sorry.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: I'm family she's perfect.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 10: May Oh, I'm Brian. I didn't do anything. It was
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 10: all Torri. I would never.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Douche.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and talking about how she's perfect, apologizing to the
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: family and that she's gonna be the first one. Yeah mhm.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: Now, then the teens recorded another clip later, but we'll
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: play that clip here in a bit, as it is
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: important to a Tory's trial.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: In that. In the clip, Brian then talks about stabbing Cassie.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: It appears to be him confessing the killing Cassie and
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: stabbing her in the throat by man.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Yep, a whole lot of Brian talking. It sure was.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, Now we're going to get Forry talking too. Well.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Okay. Now, After the state rested its case, the defense
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: called only one witness, doctor Bonnell, who testified regarding his
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: opinion about the nights. Why do we even bring this guy?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Accounts of his testimony described it as largely unremarkable. Oh boy,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: oh boy. Brian's defense lasted approximately thirty minutes before resting.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Like what did they owe this guy a favor or
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: something like that? The lawyer does, like, I got one
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: for you, you remember, I gotcha. I'll tell you some
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: money like what.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: After about five hours of deliberation, on April seventeenth, two
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: thousand and seven, Brian was found guilty. As a verdict
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: was read, Cassie's family openly wet. Brian's parents, faced with
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: the reality of their son's action and recorded fantasies, were
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: visibly shaken, yet they continued to offer him emotional support.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I mean they are very religious people and something something
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: about forgiveness or whatever.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: And they didn't abandon me.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: With one conviction secured, the Stoddard family turned their focus
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: to Tori's upcoming trial, hoping for the same outcome. Cassie's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: grandfather reportedly said, one down, one to go, and I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: do it's sex with They had to put like families
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: through more than one trial, but I very much like
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: how they did do them back to back instead of
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: like years later, you know, Like, Yeah, I'm surprised, to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: be quite honest about that, but I am glad for them,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: even though they had to go through it twice.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. For Torris trial, Judge McDermott allowed to Glory to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: leave the jail for one hour each week to meet
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: privately with his attorneys at their office to prepare his
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: attorneys petitioned the court to allow his parents, Sean and Shannon,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: as well as his grandmother to attend those meetings, arguing
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: they could provide valuable assistance in his defense. The prosecution
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: opposed to this request, but the judge did granted.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was definitely probably for a pale reasons.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: So anyway, the court reason that Tory was still a
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: minor and that the presence of his parents and grandmother
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: could provide guidance he needed. These meetings marked the first
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: time since his arrest that his parents were able to
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: ask him direct questions about what happened that night. I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: am interested, though, because usually if you're going to talk
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: to your lawyer and other people that are not lawyers,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: such as your family's significant other whomever, are in the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: room when you're talking with the lawyer, I'm pretty sure
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: that usually negates attorney client privilege, Like you forfeited that
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: because other people here. But I'm guessing since they're miners.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: That's what I was reading is because they were miners.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: That's the exception to that. And I'm guessing the prosecution
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: was arguing while he's being tried as an adult, right,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: so that's also a fair argument. So yeah.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Tory's parents believe that he would likely face some prison
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: time as an accomplice. However, they maintained that he did
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: not stab Cassie and said he never told them or
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: anyone else otherwise.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: The defense strategy focused on arguing that while Tory had
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: made poor decisions and said disturbing things on tape, he
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: was an aspiring director and screenwriter. They contended that much
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: of what appeared on the recordings was performance, except for
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: his comment about needing to quote get their act together
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: en quote. They framed that statement as the reaction of
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: a teenage boy who had just witnessed something traumatic and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: was attempting to cover it up to avoid getting into trouble.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I don't really give shit if you're
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: a kid, wanted to rant.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Millianth bloh no, and you can't cherry pick what was
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: acting in what was real? I'm sorry because guess what.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: During Torri's trial, the state again played the same video
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: shown in Brian's trial, one portion recorded the day before
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Cassie's murder. In this clip, you're going to hear about
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: is killing bad in its Tory, Let's hear them speaking.
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  Speaker 11: Thought is wrong. The only thing that it's wrong about
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 11: is because it's breaking a law, and the law is
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 11: only wrong because there should be no odd against I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 11: know it's the wrong thing, but hell, hell, you restrict
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 11: somebody from it, they're gonna want it more.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 10: Really.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, how philosophical. He is not only a future
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: screenwriter and director, also philosopher. Fucking idiot.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: His mom talks about that in her book, that he
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: was just trying to have a philosophical.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: Oh is that it?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Which one is whether or not standa Claus is real,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: and whether or not God's real?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, these are all conversations everybody does have,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: well not everybody, but many people do as they're not
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: when you hear the other anything, well no, no, but
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: I mean like these, you know, philosophic why is this?
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: And you know it's by having these conversations over several
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: years in a getting life experience, you know that you
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: pivot in change. But he is no genius. Sorry, Shannon,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: all right, your kid's an idiot and he's dumb, okay,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: and he would never have been a good screenwriter a director.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: He was an original about anything. Anyway. Anyway, it's probably
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: my turn. Oh yeah it is. Sorry, I was distracted
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: thinking about his brilliant philosophical thinkings. Camp. I hope. I
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: wonder if you started a salon in prison anyway. In
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: that clip, Tory and Brian are heard saying there should
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: be no law against killing. It is deeply disturbing, especially
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: in light of what followed. Tory's parents still believe that
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: this is all acting and not real thoughts. Then we
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: have them saying they have to make sacrifices, so this
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: isn't real. You guys all pretend, but they just so
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: happened to like murdered a girl like fifteen minutes later.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: It's right, yeah, now we're gonna hear about their sacrifices.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oh goodness.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 14: Time is nine fifty September twenty second, two thousand and six. Unfortunately,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 14: we have the growing task of killing our two friends,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 14: and they are right in a house just down the street.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: We just talked to them.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: We were there for an hour.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: We checked out the whole house.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 14: We know, there's lots of doors, there's lots of places
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 14: to hide. I locked the back doors.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 13: That's all a lot.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 12: Now we just gotta wait, and yeah, we're really nourished
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 12: right now. You know, we're ready. We're listening to the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 12: Green It's rock. Were for this for a lot of time,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 12: Floyd before.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: We admit it's about to get real mad at me.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: For a time, A long time.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, pink Floyd. Also hell regional. I think Pink Floyd's oprated.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: It's fine. Everybody can but yell sut.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: There and say they have to make a sacrifice.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: What jokers? What jokers? The defense?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: H The defense also planned to call multiple character witnesses,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: emphasizing that Tory had no prior history of trouble. They
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: spent significant time debating whether Tory should testify so that
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the jury could see him as a person, a sweet
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: young boy who wanted to be an actor and director
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: and a writer and a writer, rather than the person
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: through the lens of those recordings. Where did that accident.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Just come from? Ima is banned savage. We're gonna hate me.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say I choose. So here's my life
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: philosophy this year, guys, Do I want to be right
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: or happy? I'm choosing to be happy. Let Lama thing
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: what she wants about Pink Floyd.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: I choose to be happy, just saying at this age
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: it's so clean.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: And y'all are the ones who said she was right
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: about everything. So I guess you're eating your words now, Okay,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: let's go.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, I'm just kidding, all right,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: So let's see where am I hair? Okay? So, Torre's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: defense team successfully petitioned the court to allow independent DNA
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: testing on the knives, shirts, and gloves recovered from black rocking,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: and honestly, I don't know why they were wasting their money.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: It was notably that the state had not conducted DNA
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: testing on those items. The prosecutions pass was that they
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: had the videotapes Brian's confession and his statements implicating Tory,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: and that they believe that was sufficient. I mean, I
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: know about the fucking bitch about it.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you hear what this person says you are
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: going to flip the table?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure. I'm just saying that the crime
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: lumps are busy. You only get so many things tested,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if it was really necessary.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, savage, it's fine. It works with my husband.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I choose to be happy, not right. It works with
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Lama tail. Tory's trial began on May thirtieth, two thousand
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: and seven, he entered a play if not guilty, and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: maintained that he was innocent of killing Cassie, continuing to
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: place responsibility on Brian.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: During opening statements, the prosecutor read from the transcript of
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: the fitty recorded the night Cassie was killed, beginning with
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Brian Draper's words, quote, we just killed Cassie, we just
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: lived Rose. The prosecutor told the jury that the video
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: continued and asserted that Tory had confessed to killing Cassie
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: the night he was arrested.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: As discussed earlier, On the night of the arrest, Tory
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: invoked to his right to an attorney, and then after
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: that private conversation with his father, remember, they returned to
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: the interrogation room, where the detectives continued speaking to him,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: and when his father said I think we need an attorney,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Tory responded yes. The state interpreted that yes as an
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: agreement with the detective statements, rather than a reaffirmation of
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: his request for counsel.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know they're not happy about this, but
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Tory has to say we want eloid. You have to
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: say the words can be like yes, I would like that. Please, Yes, no,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: you got to say the words. Are these the founding
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: members of the in cell movement?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 13: Right? O?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: Yikes? Probably? Now where was I? Oh? Yes? In his
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: opening argument, the defense introduced information that had not been
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: emphasized during Brian's trial for many reasons, I'm sure. They
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: presented evidence of Brian's fascination with the Columbine massacre, including
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: that he had created a website dedicated to the perpetrators.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: What a fanboy? Ridiculous. They also referenced Brian's involvement in
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: a plan during middle school to shoot up a school. Oh.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: The defense argued that Brian had a long standing obsession
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: with violence, murder, and notoriety, and that he wanted to
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: be famous. What precious little Brian bry who would never
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: do anything wrong.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: There's also, and I don't think it's in here, Brian
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: even went to like the middle school dance and walked
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: around where kids were sitting on the bleachers pretending to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: have Oh I'm sureas and shit, oh my god, and
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: guess what the school did nothing about it?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Really so.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: The defense also focused on the video clip that the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: state relied on during opening statements. Prosecutors had referenced a
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: transcript that read we killed Cassie. The defense argued that
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: the wording and the actual the wording and that and
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: the actual recording was different. Now, guys, this next video
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: clip is difficult to hear, so we do want to
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: give a trigger warning for this segment. And you're also
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: gonna sadly need to pay close attention to this clip.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 9: We just killed Cassie. We just left your house. This
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 9: is not a fucking joke. After and Bro, I saw
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 9: her lifeless body just disappeared. Dude, I could have killed
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 9: cassieh fuck. That felt like, I mean, well by so bad.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 10: Hmm.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Interesting, I didn't hear that. We actually it sounded like
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: it was like a uh well, videotapes, right, they did
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: a little thing. But he clearly Brian clearly says I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: killed Cassie.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: A few moan eyes watched her. Tory never says any
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: of that. I will agree to that. Tory's attorney Aaron, Oh, sorry,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: not my part.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: I know that's okay. Torri's attorney, Aaron Thompson directed the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: jury's attention to the exact language use. He emphasized that
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the clip, Brian says just killed Cassie.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Not we just killed Cassie. Thompson pointed out that Brian
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: go on to say he stabbed Cassie in the throat,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: while Tory does not make a statement claiming he had
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: killed her. Tory can be heard saying he is shaking
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: and later saying they need to quote get our act together,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: but he does not make a direct statement about killing Cassie.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think that actually matters.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: But the prosecution's case against Tory closely mirrored the case
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: presented against Brian. There was no additional direct physical evidence
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: tying Tory to the murder beyond the videotapes and Brian's
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: confession in statements implicating him. However, Tory's defense strategy was
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: very different. Unlike Brian's defense, which called only one witness,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: Tory's attorney planned to present multiple witnesses to show the
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: jury who Toy was as a person. Their position was
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: that he had lied in made terrible decisions, but that
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: he did not kill Cassie.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I don't believe that for one second now.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: During the state's presentation of its case, Tory's parents received
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: unexpected news the items sent out for DNA testing, including
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: the knives shirts and gloves from black Rock Cannon had
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: been reported lost in transit. Now, after numerous phone calls,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: it was discovered that the DNA lab had mistakenly shipped
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: the package back to itself instead of returning it to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: the defense, and the evidence was eventually located. Now, I
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: don't know if we go into this later or not,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: but I'm going to go with it was a whole, big,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: nothing burger. I can tell you that, because otherwise there
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: would have been a good appeal about it. So wow.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: What became significant next involved the blood evidence. The state
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: had not originally conducted DNA testing on the items, the
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: defense had successfully, you know, made the movement for the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: motion fore testing, and the state was aware of the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: results when detectives were called to the stand. In Tory's trial,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: differences begin to emerge, particularly in how the blood evidence
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: was described compared to Brian's trial.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: When the nine one one call was made the day
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Cassie was found, her aunt told dispatch that Cassie was
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: covered in blood, She's been stabbed thirty freaking times. She
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: reported blood in multiple areas of the house, and described
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: blood spatter throughout the scene that Cassie had clearly fought back.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Yet during Toy's trial, the state presented a different tone
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: regarding the blood evidence. When the prosecutor asked one of
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: the detectives, how much blood did you observe during your
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: time in the house, the detective responded that he notice
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: small amounts of blood and was surprised by the lack
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Doesn't even any sense. That doesn't make any sense at all,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: So that's weird, okay.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: During cross examination, the detective was pressed on that statement.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: He continued to downplay the amount of blood, and eventually
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: said he was not in charge of processing the crime
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: scene and could not speak in detail about blood spatter
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: or the extent of it. The contrast between the initial
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: nine to one to one description and the testimony at
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: trial raised serious questions. I don't know if it raised
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: any serious questions. All right, this is just them just
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: rest and all these everywhere.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: But over the same weekend, the defense received a call
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: from the prosecution asking them to come to the office
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: to discuss an offer. Given the testimony so far and
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: the fact that Brian had already been found guilty, Tory's
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: parents could only imagine what was coming a plea deal.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: When they arrived, they were told it was not an offer,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: but a warning. The prosecution said they had discovered additional
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: evidence against Tory and would introduce it if the defense
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: called character witnesses. The evidence involved pornographic material found on
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: the family's home computer under a Tory's profile. The profiles
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: on the computer were not password protected. Now I will
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: say that this did happen. This is fucking bullshit, but
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: it was also the Times of two thousand and six a.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: Way to use see what they're describing as pornographic.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure as you are. Owen, sexy picture next
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: to a horse.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: Disrupted the defense strategy. Additionally, it initially it was described
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: as simply as pornographic materials, something not uncommon for teenage boys. However,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: it was later revealed that the images involved new teenage
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: males four to six photographs. So the defense attorney believed
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: that if homosexual pornography was introduced they're Mormons, it could
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: overshadow the character witnesses and influence how jurors perceived Tori,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: not for being a murderer because he liked to look
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: at Dix.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: They're not wrong, The defense attorney's absolutely not wrong.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: He's not that is just insaneity.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: It is insane. It is insane. And the same happened
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: with Michael Peterson, the Saracase guy. Right, Oh my god,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: they made so much a big fuss about him being bisexual.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: They couln't even wrap their fucking heads around it. Like
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: somebody listen, like that would have been like headline news
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and six, it would have been. The
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: defense is not wrong. I mean, honestly, though, this kid
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: is already fucked all right.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: I had a son in two thousand and six that
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: was gay. I get it, I get it. But to
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: not well any character witnesses.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: It dirty of the prosecution to do this's what. They
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: didn't need to do this. Well, they had a slamd
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: on case, all right. They didn't need to be this shitty. Okay,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: you didn't need to do that. And it's crazy, all right,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: So he stated, I'm sorry. The state characterized the material
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: as a late discovery. Oh. The defense later learned that
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: the prosecution had possessed the material for approximately six weeks,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: based on the day it had been copied to a
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: disc Toy's parents asked their attorneys to file emotion to
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: exclude the evidence due to timing, but the senior attorney declined, well,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: that's bullshit. They were told the material was relevant because
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: it went to character. I don't know how that's relevant.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: It's a character.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you. Aaron Thompson was like the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: junior attorney, but the older senior you're gonna hear lighter.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: He's oh, let's go well hat I mean.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: He's a piece of shit.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: It's also important to note that both Brian and Torrey's
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: families were Mormon, and Pocatello has a significant Mormon population,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: a factor the defense believed rightly, so that could affect
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: how such evidence was received by a jury.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Up, there's a section missus sorry, I was okay.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: There's a section that somehow deleted. So the DNA evidence
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: did come back somehow I deleted it. Only evidence found
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: on the items was Brian's. There was none of Tory's
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: DNA on any of the clothes, the gloves or anything.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: And when they were asked why the fingernail clippings were
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: not clipped or DNA tested from Cassie, the forensic person said,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: because nothing significant ever comes back from fingernail clippings.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: She's a little crap that's sed. I don't know if
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: his DNA not being over anything really. I mean, also
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: we're talking to day a thousand and six DNA he has.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, he just doesn't matter. Honestly, if I was
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: hearing this trial, it wouldn't matter to me either. I mean,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: we know way more about DNA according to forensic files.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, DNA has been groundbreaking technology for like fifteen
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: years according to them. So I don't know if it
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: really means a whole lot, but it wouldn't be enough
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: to be like, oh, exonerate him, exonerate No, no, not
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: at all now. While Brian and Tory were tried separately,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: when it came time for sentencing, Judge McDermott scheduled their
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: hearings together, assigning each team his own day in court.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: During the sentencing phase, both it's called witnesses who testified
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: about the Boyce's character and why they believed they deserved
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: a second chance. I know you brought this up to
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: me when you were writing this, and I thought about
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: it after we had talked, and I do think like
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: having the sentencing together, they're only putting the family and
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: friends one time, you know, so at that point it
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: doesn't really matter overall in this case whether they were
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: sentenced separately or together. But I can see only wanting
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: to put the family and friends through this one time
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: because I'm sure it was awful to hear. Oh, I'm sure,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was so so sad.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: Now, during Tori's portion of the hearing, the prosecution now
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: decided to introduce the pornographic images from the family's computer. Wow,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: with the detective acknowledging they could not prove who had
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: downloaded the images. I mean that's true, Still, the state
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: presented them. A forensic psychologist also testified, stating that Brian
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: would pose a medium to moderate threat to society even
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: if medicated.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: That was during Brian's portion, Medium to moderate. I mean,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: perhaps probably a little bit higher than that, but okay, Yeah.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Then came victim impact statements. Cassie's grandfather, Paul, addressed the court. First.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: He acknowledged that witnesses had described Tory as a good person,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: but said something had gone wrong. He told Tory that
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: he made this choice and that he and his family
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: would have to live with it. Cassie's sisters spoke directly
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: to Tory's family, saying they had denied his role in
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: her sister's murder. She then addressed Tory, telling him he
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: chose to leave Cassie dead in the house and that
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: there was own one true victim, to which yes, girl Yes.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: On August twenty fifth, two thousand and seven, Judge McDermott
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: asked both teens if they wished to speak before sentencing.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Brian read a prepared statement apologizing for not stopping the
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: murder and said he was not worthy of forgetgiveness though
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: was what he desired. Okay, but yet he admits to
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: the police and on tape that he did stabber in
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: the neck.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: But ye, okay, yeah, I think it's none from me.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: Tory was who attempted to read from a prepared statement,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: was overcome with emotion and began crying, sobbing, gagging, and
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: he was unable to finish.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: There's Buffy, Hi Boa we're talking about earlier. Oh, he
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: did admit to being gay in the whole of documentary.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: I've heard that to you, but I haven't watched it yet.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: I couldn't include that.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Let's see. The state requested life without parole for both.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Judge McDermott sentenced each to thirty years fixed plus an
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: indeterminate life sentence for conspiracy for our first degree murder.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Both were sentenced to life without the possibility of parole
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: at the Idaho State Correctional Institution.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Following day after their sentencing, Brian and Torrey were transported
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: together to the Idaho State Correctional Institution in Boise. According
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: to the transporting officer, the two set next to each
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: other and talked during the drive. They reportedly asked if
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: he could just let them go, referring to themselves as
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: just a.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Couple of stupid kids on they are stupid.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: The officer later stated it almost felt like a reunion
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: and that they said they did not hold hard feelings
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: towards one another. He also recalled them remarking that three
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: days of their lives had affected the rest of their life.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Lives stupid now. Tory filed his first appeal in September
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: twenty ten. Brian filed his in April twenty eleven. Both
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: appeals were denied, which is no surprise nice denied, and
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: their convictions were upheld. Brian later had his conspiracy conviction
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: vacated due to erroneous jury instructions, but his murder conviction
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: remained intact interesting.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, Tory was granted a post conviction relief hearing.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: He argued that character witnesses could have changed the outcome
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: of his trial, and that his attorneys had chosen not
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: to call them against his parents' wishes, bro.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: That was no way and would any of the help.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: That request was denied denied. His appeal to the Idaho
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court in twenty seventeen was rejected rejected.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, Tory filed a federal writ of habeas corpus,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: arguing that his appeal had been denied on a theory
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: not presented to the jury, and that he was entitled
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: to a new sentencing hearing under the Miller and Montgomery decisions,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: which held that mandatory life without parole sentences for juveniles
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: are unconstitutional and that youth must be reconsidered. Federal Judge
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Dale denied the writ in twenty nineteen. An appeal followed,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: and his sentence was upheld in March twenty twenty two,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: which is saying a lot, because let me tell you what,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: there were a bunch of kids that were like on
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: death row and shit, and that all got moved down
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: to life, so they haven't changed this. That's interesting.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: The Startered family filed a civil lawsuit against the school
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: district in twenty ten, but it was dismissed on the
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: grounds that the actions of Brian and Tory were not foreseeable.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: They also filed a civil lawsuit against Brian and Torrey's
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: state families. The limited information is available about the outcome
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: beyond reports that a statement settlement was closed.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Now during research, it emerged during research into this case
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: that we were doing. It emerged that Tory's mother wrote
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: a book, Shannon The Guilty Innocent in twenty twelve. In
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: the preface, she recounts sitting in an attorney's office after
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Tory's arrest, with an attorney reportedly suggested that because they
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: had two other children, they should consider focusing on them
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: instead of Tory. I mean, I mean, it may not
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: have been kind to hear that, but also he was
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: basically saying like, yeah, your boy's fucked, Okay, let's move on.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: He was basically saying, forgetting it.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: Be there, be there if you want to be there.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: But there's no there's no seiving your kid in this scenario,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: which is not going to happen.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Well, guess what Shannon does, now what is Shannon? In
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: her book, she also places some of the responsibility for
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Cassie's murder on Matt Beckham's parents for not allowing Matt
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: to stay the night in leaving Cassie alone in a
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: house where the power had been going out. Where do
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: we think her son learned it? She the boss of
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: other questions why Cassie's mother did not drive to check
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: on her when calls went unanswered on that Saturday. But
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: just Toy'll know, Cassie's mom was away at a casino.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: So she's blaming other people. Wow, for what your son
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: and his friend did?
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: Who recorded it?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I know it really fired her up now.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Shannon also shares observations about Brian's family, including comments about
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: their finances and parenting decisions. She recounts incident where Brian
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: brought over a zombie movie and describes reacting strongly against
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: having horror films in her home. According to her account,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: she confronted Tory about it, and her husband intervened as
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: she had Tory cowering in the corner over a movie.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, she he like had to hold her down. She
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: was that controlling. The aftermath of Cassie's murder extended far
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: beyond the courtroom. It affected families, communities, and continues to
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: raise difficult questions about responsibility, accountability, and how people process
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: unimaginable strategy.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we're not sharing these details to shame
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Shannon entirely.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: Not entirely.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: It was her home and she had every right to
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: decide what was allowed under her roof. Some might describe
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: her as a very protective or hands on parent, and
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: that it's so is not a crime, but maybe pointing
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: out some other people's don't throw stones when you live
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: in glass house. This lady, I.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Mean, she even chastises Matt and Cassie, and she's the
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: one who brought it out, you know, about the condom
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: that they had obviously had sex because there was a
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: condom in the toilet. I mean, she made me mad,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: and I wish I wouldn't have bought her book because
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: I put money in her fucking pocket.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's very delusional as as well. I mean that's just.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're gonna feel bad for your kid, but
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: like your your son's not innocent in anything, anything, and
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: maybe this makes you feel better if she wants to
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: believe my son.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: My son never actually stabbed her. Fine, all right, fine,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: you want to say never stabbed her. Fine, your son
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: sat there and planned it for days, videotaped himself for days,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: was in her house, and didn't break.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Out and call until the police and break down and say,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: oh my god, this happened.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not even like this was a random thing.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: This was one of the most premeditated cases. I think
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: we have covered together, and you're trying to be like, well,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: my little boy.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's more on the tapes if people want
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: to go to YouTube and listen. They talked about the
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: next kids they were gonna kill when they got away
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: with us.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: I tried, Amy, but I needed it on Kindle and
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: needed it fast or Buffy. Sorry. What her book does
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: provide is an insight into what her family went through
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: when something like this happened, because a crime of this
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: magnitude does not affect only the person in charge. It
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: does affect the parents, the siblings, the grandparents and uncles everyone.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: She just happens to be delusional and can't accept the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: fact that her son is not her perfect little baby.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, there have been numerous parents or family members
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: who have written books about someone in their family being
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: a killer, whether it's their kids with mass killing or whatever.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: People of the defendants have written books, but you know what,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: you don't deal with them. And why you don't get
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: sympathy Shannon is because you're focusing all the energy and
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: the wrong spot because you don't want to face reality,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: and that is your son is stupid and a horrible
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: person who took this beautiful girl's entire future away. So
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: I don't care from.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: A psychological standpoint. I do think reading her book and
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: having some friends that one that's still Mormon and others
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: that were raised Mormon, she was raised her only goal
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: in life was to be a good mom and a
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: good wife. If you read her book, she literally didn't
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: get out of bed for days.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure I would.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: I think it put her into some kind of spiraling
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: spin that she's still not out of because she cannot
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: accept the fact. At least Brian's parents and that clip
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: we heard earlier, they were like, what did we miss?
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: How did this happen? She never says that.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: No, I mean well, and like sometimes parents are of Lams,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: sometimes they're not. I mean, I would do the same thing,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: to be quite honest, but after everything has happened and
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: come out to say some of these things is quite
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: frankly shameful, uh huh, all right, and inappropriate, and she
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: knows better. You want people to understand your story, to relate.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: Is that why you wrote the book? Because you're not
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: doing Because I am a very big proponent of talking
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: about defendants and their families and people not talking shit
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: about their family members because a lot of people do.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: But you just don't go saying some of the things
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: she did. Period. It's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. So you know,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: as we said, it's also clear that Shannon and Sean
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: did every thing they believed they could for Toy. They
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: sought out strongly go representation, They arranged for him to
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: receive therapy while he was in jail waiting trial. And
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: those are actions of parents who were trying to navigate
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: something unthinkable. And sometimes that's all you can do, that's
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: all you can. You know, not all bad kids come
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: because they had bad parents, Like at least my opinion
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: is that sometimes they're just horrible people, you know, And
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: Say Sheanon did express sorrow that Cassie was gone. And
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: she said she felt for Cassie's family life. However, there
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: is still little acknowledgment in her writing about her son's role, right, like.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: To be like, oh, you let a teenage girl be
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: in an house by herself with our boyfriend. Ma'am, your
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: son killed?
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 10: Are you kidding me?
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: And your son was present, he could have stopped Brian.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: I mean he didn't get injured. Yeah, he was part
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: of what happened. Then, I mean we heard him in
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: his own words. So I'm sorry, lady, you cannot discount that.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: No, you know.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: And again, Cassie was the one who lost her life.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: She was just sixteen years old. She was house sitting
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: doing what was asked of her, being responsible and level headed,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: unlike two other jokers we've been talking about, you know.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: And this is where the story begins, and this is
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: where it always has to return, is to Cassie only
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: at baby Picture.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: There have been a few updates over the years. In
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it was reported that Matt chooses to
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: live a private life and has no desire to speak
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: to the media. Matt, that is understandable. You live through
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: something no teenager person should ever have to. Your girlfriend
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: was murdered by people you both knew, and that you
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: let into the house and they killed her after you left.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, the kind of guilt is un amanagerble I
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: can't image. And I just hope he has done and
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: is living a full and happy life.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, nobody could have prepared or predicted that.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: Nobody They couldn't have.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: But the guilt that I mean, look out, you know,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't even you know, leave her alone on the couch,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: He Yeah, he was a carrying guy. Now. In twenty
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: twenty four, Cassie's brother Andrew, her younger brother that she
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: was close with, spoke with the Associated Press. He shared
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: that he has learned how to carry on Carrie what
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: happened to Cassie, though it remains a significant part of
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: who he is. He said every September is still incredibly
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: hard and that he struggles through that month. Some days
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: are good, some days are not. He said he loves
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: Cassie and that what happened will always be in the
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: back of their minds, but they focus on keeping their
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: family strong rather than dwelling only on the darkness, because,
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, grief is always around. There's no such thing disclosure.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: Cathy's Cassie's mother, Anna Sadley, passed away in April twenty
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: twenty two after a long health battle. Her sister has
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: chosen to live a private life, staying completely out of
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: the spotlight and focusing on peace.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: Well, at least Anna gets to be with her daughter again. Yeah, oh,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: it's so sad now. Shannan left her position at the
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: Idaho State Journal in two thousand and eight. She later
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: worked as a teacher and pursued an associates degree in
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: behavioral science but Fordou's social work. She now lives privately
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: in Idaho with her husband. Okay, all right, well, okay.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: So, Carrie and Pam Draper's marriage did not survive the
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: aftermath of the crime. They separated and began new chapters
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: of their lives. Carrie continued working in his field. He
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: remains close with his daughter, Tiffany. Pam now lives in Ohio.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: She also maintains a close relationship with her daughter Tiffany
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: and keeps her life life largely private. Tiffany lives in Boise,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: teaches yoga, writes courses for yoga instructors and influencers, and
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: got married in twenty twenty five.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: Oh now, Tory remains incarcerated at the Idaho Maximum Security
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: Facility in Boise Look at a Stupid Face. He has
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: not given any direct media interviews, but did appear in
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: the twenty thirteen documentary Lost for Life at You Mister
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: Making Good Decisions Yeah Now.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: Brian Draper is also incarcerated at the same facility, though
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: they are reportedly mostly kept separate. Brian has spoken to
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: the media and continues to place all of the blame
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: on Toy bro In interviews. He even has said he
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: did not watch horror movies or own them before meeting Toy,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: despite there being photographs showing collections of horror posters in
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: his room.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: He's such a liar, liar.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: In the line twenty twenty four, he spoke about wanting
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to live in a society again. In other
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: portions of that interview, he discussed burglaries they committed in
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: the weeks before the murder in his relationship with Toy.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: When asked what he would tell his younger self, he
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: reflected on choices and direction in life, but never said
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: anything about telling himself not to kill Cassie. And we
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: have a small clip.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 4: Doing what you're doing like, you're being a weirdo and
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 4: you're falling into a trap, and get out of it now,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: step out of your bubble. Meet new people like like
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 4: that would be number one. It's just meet new people
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 4: like so much that we we miss out on so
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: much opportunity. And so I had so many, so many
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: times that I could have hung out with new friends
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 4: and I could have tried new activities, and I didn't
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: because I was so comfortable being miserable, and I was
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: so comfortable in my own little dark room. And the
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 4: only way out of that is to open the door
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: and just step out and go try new things. And
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: so I was. I was terrified rejection. So there was
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: a girl I had a crush on I'm not gonna
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 4: stair name, and instead of going and talking to her,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 4: I was so mad myself because I didn't have the
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: courage to do that that I just I stood on
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: it and I got mad and I got angry, and
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: I got envious and everybody else around me because they
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 4: had girlfriends. Why can't I have a girlfriend. Well, I
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: didn't have a girlfriend because I was too afraid. As
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: you go out there.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 3: And take chances here, les and you know you might
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: be rejected.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 4: So what that's life, buddy. So I wish I could
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: just go back and tell myself, dude, live your life,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: step out of your comfort zone and.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: Take some chances.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 15: Not don't kill Cassie, but stop being a weirdo. It's
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 15: also important to point out here that one of the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 15: motives mentioned during Brian's trial was the had an unrequited
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 15: crush on Cassie Stoddard and that was why he selected
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 15: her and her boyfriend. Our next few questions focused on
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 15: to now then moved to the same correctional facilities.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: Sorry, what channel is that? It's e W. I can't
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: remember the name of that channel. I had I.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: Subscribe to all of theirs, but I sick. Say yeah, yeah.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: So. Cassie's murder was a brutal crime committed by people
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: she believed were friends. Her death did not only take
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: her life. It altered Matt's life, her family's life. Oh
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: that's very lovely, headstone, isn't it beautifulness, her classmates lives.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: It also permanently changed the course of Brian and Torre's
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: lives and the lives of their family.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: Her case is often linked to the movie screen because
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: the boys referenced it in more masks when murdering case.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: But a film does not force someone to commit murder.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: Ideas may be borrowed, but the decision to act belongs
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: solely to the person who makes the decision.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: Now, there is ongoing debate about juvenile sentencing, particularly life
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: without parole for sixteen year olds, and it is a
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: complicated legal and moral decision that continues across the country.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with this one. I don't
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: think that either. I specially do not think Brian is
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: able to be rehabilitated. Did you just not hear him talk? Yeah,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: explore with us? Thank you, amos, Oh you're my savior.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: What remains simple is this. Cassie was sixteen, she was
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: house sitting. She trusted people she thought were her friends.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: She should have gone home after that weekend, said she
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: was killed. And that is the heart that's never going
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: to change.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is it? All right? Well, I know
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: you have a lot of thoughts. I've said a.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: Lot of them. First Off, I hope Andrew, all, Cassie's family,
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: and Matt are living a good life because I can't
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: imagine what it is like, you know. And moving on,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: and finding a way to be happy doesn't mean they've
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: forgotten Cassie or the hell they went through, and I
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: think people need to remember.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: That it was an interesting case. Huffy, thank you for this.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Buffy, I'm still going down rabbit holes. Okay, still
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: going down rabbit holes now, Ron and Torri. I have
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: a real problem with Brian, Okay. I have tried hard
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: not to feel so critical about him.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: Why I am. It's fine, but I'll sleep well tonight.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: Everything I've read or seen, he he has not really
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: owned what he did, and that bothers me. He doesn't. Yeah,
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: he I'm glad that he's in prison because if he
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: got out somebody else, you know, Tory have gone back
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: and forth on and today I'm on the day that
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: he deserves exactly what he fucking got. And his mother's book,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: I will say has I would say, maybe a whole
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: chapter of good stuff. But I'm sorry, lady, your son
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: was there when a young girl was killed and he
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: did nothing to try to stop it. He should have
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: gotten injured trying to protect her.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: Right because was that Tory the one with the car?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: He could have just chose not to drive Brian to
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: the house Shannon.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: He could have ran out and left. Why Cassie was
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: doing it, even.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: No friends got the police choice, it's could have been made.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: You're rous again. This isn't just some like random Oh whoa,
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: here's a murder in two minutes, ma'am.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is guilty. And I did say to his mom,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, from one boy mom to another. Your son
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: is guilty as shit, and you are disrespecting Cassie, her
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: memory and everybody loved her by not accepting that fact.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, she can still like support him and shit.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: If she can't do that's fine, But like, dude, whoa.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: In her book, she says that you see something totally
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: different in the videos than others. You see your son
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: just going along with someone, but that they were just acting.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: And to her, I say, excuse me, how can you
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: say he was just acting when they in fact did
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: what they said they were.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: Going to do exactly, like literally to a t exactly.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: And I've had mixed feelings for years about young people
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: being put in prison. The one thing I need to
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: say it is a complex issue. Part of me thinks
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: they should be given an opportunity after a really long
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: time thirty forty years to get out. Only if they've
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: contributed to society, They've done well in jail, continued their education,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: they've tried to do something. They can maybe get out
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: when they're ninety. I mean, I'm okay with that. I'm
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: okay with that.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: I mean it is complex in some cases. I feel
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: very strongly about others.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: I need a bubble bath and Buffy, Hm, you owe
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: me wine because this was brutal.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. The sad part is is not not
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: only Cassie, but Brian and Toy. There's tons of Brian
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: and Tories running around everywhere, all right. They're they're as
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: much as they want to think they're fucking special, they're not.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: They're just copies of copies and copies. And I think
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: that is where we really need to be focusing on.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: How do we get this demographic that falls into this.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, all teens are going to be edgy
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: a little bit. That's not what I'm talking about here,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: all right, especially now in twenty twenty five, as we've
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: had years of data.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: All right, me, Brian on the school thing, he lied
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: and said it was the other kid who wanted to
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: do the school shooting.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: Okah, sure, and.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: So the other kid got kicked out of school, he
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: didn't get anything.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not talking about punish or anything like that.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: Nobody looked at the signs that he had problems.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: Of course they didn't. Nobody wants to actually, nobody actually
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: wants to fixed problems.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: Terry.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: We're just all gonna sit around and talk about it
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: instead of you actually doing sometime, you know. But no,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, there is a serious problem with teen boys,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: early adolescent boys. They are not getting the guidance they
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: need in some way, shape or form. I will talk
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: at nauseum about this issue that's been going on for
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: quite a while. And it, frankly, it isn't just oh
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: mental health issues. It's not just oh guns, it's none
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: of that, all right. It's we have given them literally
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: no guidance, no support, no healthy outlets to what they
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: go through during this stage in life or just like
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: oh you're a boy, you're fine, and.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: No accountability for when they do try to go outside
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: of boundaries.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: Now, some of them are just shit bags, and they
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: will always just be shit bags, you know. I do
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: think that there's a few people that I do have
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of empathy for and it is more mental
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: health issues than anything. But most of them, I mean, oh,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: I hate them all, and I especially hate these guys.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: They are so guilty as shit. They're both exactly where
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: they need to go. I don't care if you think, well,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: well Tory didn't stab anyim both fucking shit, Yes he did.
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: They both, Yes he did. They both did.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: Don't because what did Brian do? Put the other knife
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: in his pocket and grab the other one?
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: You know Brian's story of well, Tory did all this,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: but I just stabbed him in the legs.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: And in the throat and I cut her throat.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: Well, he didn't say that part until later.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: I thought that was on the video, like on the video,
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: but he told the cops pops, right, that's what he did.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: And I believe that that's what Tory did and Brian
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: because that's what a liar does. There has to be
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: some truth in your lie. And he just switched the
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: places of it too. But they're just they're both guilty.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: It's awesome and for what for what? They didn't make
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: no movie, they didn't write, no screenplay, literally nothing.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: That's how I hate that they were allowed to appear
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: in that documentary truth wise, because they got to be
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: on screen, and I don't think that should have been
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: allowed because you kind of gave them what they wanted.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I'm going to probably watch it over this
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: weekend because I've got curious about.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: I've got two documentaries of that, and I've got another
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: book I've ordered. I bought it from the resale bookshop.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I do think that there are good things
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: people can do from prison. So maybe I'll hear something
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: in that documentary from who's in it?
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 8: Tori?
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: Right? Is that who was in?
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: We just heard Brian talk and that was a year ago,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: so Brian, yeah, yeah, So we'll see.
• 2:12:53
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