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American Bread · I Think Less of You Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: You're just going to keep eating the whole time we're talking?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: But thankfully,
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  SPEAKER_01: only I have to see that because others are not so blessed to have access to
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  SPEAKER_01: the video feed, although we do need to do more videos.
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  SPEAKER_01: We need to.
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  SPEAKER_01: We need to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: We really, really do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Outside of, obviously, if we do travel-y things, we definitely need to do video things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you'd have to...
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  SPEAKER_01: I think you look fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know you don't think you look fine, so I'm sure you would want to be all gussied up.
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  SPEAKER_01: People like the real.
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  SPEAKER_01: People just looking natural like they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I could not be wearing sweats.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Novel idea.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have last night's hair.
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  SPEAKER_01: You look comfortable.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's like, you know, that's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what people I actually I was watching a so I referenced
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  SPEAKER_01: in I have been watching YouTube videos of people discussing just stuff to do
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  SPEAKER_01: with making with doing travel stuff because we're obviously planning to do
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  SPEAKER_01: a travel thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know anything about this world.
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  SPEAKER_00: By the way,
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  SPEAKER_00: we are really good for Europe's security because every time we say
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  SPEAKER_00: that we're going somewhere, they're like, oh, it's going to get bombed by Russia.
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  SPEAKER_01: The country gets droned.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, but I was watching, and there was a video that I thought was very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was a guy who's some,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's this whole subsection on YouTube of,
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  SPEAKER_01: People who are self-described creators whose gig seems
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  SPEAKER_01: to be telling other people how to be creators, this is on Ouroboros.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there was a guy who thought he made a compelling point.
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  SPEAKER_01: He said that with AI...
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  SPEAKER_01: It is very easy to,
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  SPEAKER_01: so most of the online influencer space,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially if you're looking at like Instagram and TikTok,
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  SPEAKER_01: has been taken up by like heightened artificial reality,
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  SPEAKER_01: like the most beautiful vistas that you're going to find.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: with a girl's like very taut backside in that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually, like, girl some skimpy clothes in front of something pretty.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that was,
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  SPEAKER_01: the point he made was that with AI,
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  SPEAKER_01: AI is going to be more and more able to replicate this with, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: effortlessly,
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  SPEAKER_01: and it will be more and more difficult to tell the difference between one
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  SPEAKER_01: of these things that is manufactured by AI and one of these,
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  SPEAKER_01: because honestly, it was already artificial, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You're just cutting out the middleman of the person.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the point he was making was that the market is moving towards...
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  SPEAKER_01: Finding the stops along the way?
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: It works for me because that is 100% my vision.
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  SPEAKER_01: The thing I'm interested in, as you know, you like going to things like Christmas markets.
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  SPEAKER_00: You like going to things that ever... First off, stop.
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  SPEAKER_00: This isn't a rip on Christmas markets.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have not been to one.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I will fight.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it's not.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guarantee it's not.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like how this is all spurred on by the fact that I am just going ham on a sandwich
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  SPEAKER_00: and wearing...
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  SPEAKER_00: It should be ham.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it a ham sandwich?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, it's turkey.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's turkey and American.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's on a brioche roll.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I went to Wegmans yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is an amazing like,
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  SPEAKER_00: oh, but there's this one that's like, it's half kosher, like a mega kosher Wegmans.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they have the best brioche.
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  SPEAKER_00: And all of their prepared food is like super, super, super expensive.
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  SPEAKER_00: But everything else is dirt cheap.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I've only been in a Wegmans twice.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I lived in New Jersey, there was a Wegmans that wasn't close to my house.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually went there twice because everyone always talks about Wegmans.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, people who've never heard to or been to Wegmans don't talk about Wegmans.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Wegmans is one of these stores that has this large cult following,
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  SPEAKER_01: kind of like Whole Foods used to be before Amazon bought them
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  SPEAKER_01: and they became everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're still great.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I actually quite like Whole Foods.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm really bougie Wegmans and Whole Foods for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am exceptionally happy that there isn't a Whole Foods near me
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  SPEAKER_01: because I would spend too much at Whole Foods is the thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do free delivery now, which sucks.
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  SPEAKER_01: The thing with Wegmans, it was very crowded.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as you know, I just like crowds.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just as a general rule, I don't like them.
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  SPEAKER_01: But also, grocery stores have a just kind of default setup, all right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you go into multiple grocery stores,
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  SPEAKER_01: you walk in,
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  SPEAKER_01: the odds are extremely good that your produce is going to be on your right
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  SPEAKER_01: as you walk in the door.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm talking about like the big big national grocery grocery store chains
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  SPEAKER_01: because the produce will be every once in a while in older ones will be on the left.
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  SPEAKER_01: But either way,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're going to be driven through the produce first and then over through over
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  SPEAKER_01: through the various like in the butcher's case, the seafood case and whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_01: And with with the shelves of Wegmans.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just, I guess I must be intentionally, completely defied this structure.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like everything was kind of slap-bashed.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had a huge amount of trouble finding anything because the shelves were kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of like, Weirdly interspersed around.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like an open concept grocery store.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I like to know when I walk into a grocery store,
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  SPEAKER_01: roughly where I'm going to,
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  SPEAKER_01: it doesn't matter the brand, roughly where the thing I'm going to want is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because there's a comfort to it, especially if you're traveling.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, yes,
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  SPEAKER_00: this one had some flow to it,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it was like the prepared food and the produce section were really, really nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was like you were going to this magical wonderland and then you got into like the shelves.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was dank and weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I got really, really good prices on a bunch of stuff that I was just charging that car.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not something Wegmans is
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  SPEAKER_01: known for.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was just charging my car because there's a really good Tesla Superbank next to the Wegmans.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I walked in.
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  SPEAKER_00: I started off the day yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I have to stop spending money.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been spending so much since I got to Boston.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're buying all new like furniture and things and clothes because I'm an idiot
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  SPEAKER_00: and I didn't pack like cold weather stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I moved to Boston.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, poor thinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I have Christmas sweaters, but no like mid-weight jackets.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know how I got in there,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I was like standing in anthropology and I was like,
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  SPEAKER_00: Courtney, just stop right now and turned around.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I'll go to Wegmans.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll spend less.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that didn't work.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I did actually get really good deals on like a lot of spices and canned goods.
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  SPEAKER_00: Their prices were way, way lower.
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  SPEAKER_01: Objectively low or Boston low?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, objectively low.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know I grocery shop for a living.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was going off Colorado prices.
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  SPEAKER_00: Although Colorado has pretty high food prices, which is weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: This Wegmans, though, had a huge kosher section and they had like challah rolls.
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  SPEAKER_00: They had tons of challah bread.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was an amazing Wegmans.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was happy to go there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will go back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every time I see challah bread for sale, I buy free loaves and bring some home to Friesland.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't have any Jews where I live,
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  SPEAKER_01: sadly, and therefore we don't have any delicious Jewish food.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sorry, challah bread makes the best French toast.
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  SPEAKER_01: I buy it,
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  SPEAKER_01: I freeze it,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then we make French toast with it eventually because it's wonderful
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  SPEAKER_01: as French toast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're going to have to come.
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  SPEAKER_01: Brioche works.
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  SPEAKER_01: Brioche and challah are similar in some way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's not the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: Challah just, it absorbs the egg perfectly.
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  SPEAKER_00: You are going to have to come visit me and get a bunch of challah because,
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  SPEAKER_00: like, just on the drive to Luke's school, I pass, like, four shoals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_00: Brookline is a very,
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  SPEAKER_00: very kosher loving area,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is weird,
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  SPEAKER_00: though, because there's no good Israeli food in Boston, which pisses me off.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't go get Sabik anywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
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  SPEAKER_01: Northeast, Northeast Jewry.
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  SPEAKER_01: Israel has been there longer,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think in many cases longer than the state of Israel and really the association of
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  SPEAKER_01: the Middle Eastern food association with Israeli food is really a post-creation
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  SPEAKER_01: of Israel thing because they had spent so much time kicking.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't have, like, the Sephardic Jewish recipes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't have any of the Moroccan.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't have any of the, like, Israeli or Iraqi
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  SPEAKER_01: influence.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's much—the northeastern Jewish diaspora, it was much more eastern European Ashkenazi Jew.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you'll get a really good brisket.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll get the best pastrami you've ever eaten.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're not necessarily going to—I was like, because it uses mustard seeds.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's— Isn't it
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  SPEAKER_00: so sad?
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  SPEAKER_00: Pastrami's so good.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, no.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, God.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is like Jewish people not being able to eat bacon.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, I'm so sorry, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're just missing out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So because mustard allergy tends to be more of an oral allergy, which means like you have...
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  SPEAKER_01: Oral.
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  SPEAKER_00: God, stop, you child.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm the pervert here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
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  SPEAKER_01: I distracted you.
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  SPEAKER_00: You totally did.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to keep eating my sandwich.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're hoping that Europe doesn't blow up before we go there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, speaking of European style foods.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were going to talk about European versus American foods based on a tweet
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  SPEAKER_00: that you should explain.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the tweet itself was, it was just engagement bait.
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  SPEAKER_01: The funny thing is, it was written by an American.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can look in the account settings now,
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  SPEAKER_01: you can look now and see where it was written by an American.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was blatantly engagement bait, but it got engagement.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like, you know, it had...
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, 1.7 million lakes or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it was some guy saying, like, what is wrong with American food versus European food?
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  SPEAKER_01: What are they feeding Americans?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was pictures of what was labeled American chicken breast,
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  SPEAKER_01: which were like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: the big,
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  SPEAKER_01: pale, flabby chicken breast, and European chicken breast, little tiny pink ones.
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  SPEAKER_01: They had American bread, which they literally, I'm pretty sure they used Wonder Bread.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Yeah, European bread.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a nice rustic, rustic style, multigrain loaf.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Much like other big American ones,
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  SPEAKER_00: chicken breasts are injected with a lot of saline to make them look that way
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  SPEAKER_00: in America.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will say, like, there is something to what they were saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, there's not.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying one is better than the other,
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  SPEAKER_00: but yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: like American chicken breasts,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you compare them,
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  SPEAKER_00: ours are paler,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it's more that a lot of Chicken processors in America inject it with saline
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  SPEAKER_00: so it looks more so they can up the sale weight.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're paying for salt water that's injecting.
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  SPEAKER_00: They also inject with antibiotics and some things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to get into that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are some good cases for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are some not so good cases for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there is something to the fact that Americans do add a lot of stuff like saline
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  SPEAKER_00: to our chicken that you won't necessarily get...
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: They showed pictures of strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_00: I always talk about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I'm in Europe, the first thing I buy is strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love European strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_00: They do have a
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  SPEAKER_00: different strain or a
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  SPEAKER_00: different variety.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're smaller.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're sweeter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Americans like larger, better-looking fruit.
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  SPEAKER_00: We don't eat a lot of ugly fruits like Europe would.
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  SPEAKER_00: We breed things that look perfect.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're very into looks.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is a difference in that, but it's part of our, I don't know, it's what we went for.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to say it's 100% not about the looks,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's also about,
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  SPEAKER_01: again, Europeans don't understand how giant America is and how far...
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  SPEAKER_01: Even USA-grown anything generally has to move between where it is farmed and
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  SPEAKER_01: where it will be consumed.
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  SPEAKER_01: We literally feed the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: We literally feed the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a reason that we've manufactured things in the way that we have.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of genetic breeding of foods, people are like, oh, it's GMO.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't really care.
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  SPEAKER_00: If it was bread so that...
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  SPEAKER_00: The food is stronger and you have a better harvest.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't really care.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like we're solving hunger here, people.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's the famous case of there were in Russia,
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  SPEAKER_01: there was a group of,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think in Ukraine,
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  SPEAKER_01: actually,
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  SPEAKER_01: there were these farmers who had developed over a very long time a specific strain
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  SPEAKER_01: of wheat that could grow in the harsh tundra of the land.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Stalin...
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  SPEAKER_01: Tried to wipe them out and successfully wiped out the ones that were there and many
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  SPEAKER_01: of them,
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  SPEAKER_01: the ones who were left,
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  SPEAKER_01: moved to America and started growing their strain of wheat in America.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is how America became a net exporter of grain.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because they brought this strain of wheat over that could grow.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think they started growing it in Montana and the upper, upper Midwest.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it grew wonderfully.
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  SPEAKER_01: So strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_01: The thing is,
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  SPEAKER_01: a strawberry,
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  SPEAKER_01: the specific breed that America tends to buy as strawberries is a type that, yes,
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  SPEAKER_01: aesthetically it looks better,
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  SPEAKER_01: but that is somewhat incidental because it's just,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's a larger, spongier form of strawberry that's able to ship better.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's, we have strawberries.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I have said,
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  SPEAKER_01: one of my weirder,
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  SPEAKER_01: more hippie-ish traits is,
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that I actually do prefer when possible to try to eat things
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  SPEAKER_01: that are farmed near me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like eat the things that naturally grow in my area and try to stick within season of eating.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I think it's just good for us.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think humans are built with specific rhythms.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have circadian rhythms.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have...
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I would say I think seasonal rhythms that we are after you live in a place
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  SPEAKER_01: while you become somewhat more in tune with the land that you're living in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's better to try to to try to stick with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But not everyone wants to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you live in New York City or San Francisco or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or Boston.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or Baston.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're eating beans all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Baked beans.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's not even a thing here, though.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: By the way, if you say anything.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: I know, but if you say that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you know about the molasses flood, right?
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: You've gone to all the sites for the molasses flood
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: by now.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, I've totally, I've
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: I've spent all of my spare time in the molasses floods.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: The molasses floods, it's fascinating history.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: They had these giant tanks of molasses for making their beans with.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: They always used so much molasses for their stupid beans.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then the tanks ruptured.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: The streets of Boston were literally awash in molasses.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to have to see where.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go to the molasses flood sites.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: My understanding is there are still markers where the molasses came up to on some of
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: the old buildings.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, do you know where all of American strawberries are grown?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Not all of them are because I can get strawberries from a farm that's like 20 miles from me.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, stop, sir.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: They sell into my grocery stores.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if you buy Driscoll strawberries,
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: which most of the United States— They are from Ventura County.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're from Oxnard, which is a town over from one of the towns I grew up in.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: We used to go and pick berries in Oxnard all the time.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're stealing water.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's the California farming region's theft of the Colorado River.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that is a real thing.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: Also, berry production does not account for much of that.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: That is mostly almonds and pistachios.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Relatively, perhaps.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Almonds.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: Almonds.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: Avocados.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Avocados are a big one.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: But almonds, like, for every—I'm vegan happy here.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's religious.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm hippie, but, like, it's a religious thing.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I do—I use, like, milk substitutes.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: I will never buy almond milk for—one, for taste reasons, gross.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: But also, I just won't because I'm, like, really ethically opposed to almond milk.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: For one glass of almond milk, it takes like, I forget how many trees.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: I used to know this metric, but it's an absurd amount of water.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: And almond milk is the devil.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Just don't do it.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: The thing is that in California's farming region,
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: that land is not meant for to be farmed.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: That land is not naturally.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: That part of Ventura County actually is.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: It has better rainfall.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: You are right off.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: So Oxnard has a beach right there.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: You get a lot of the fog coming in in the morning.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: They reclaim a lot of that water.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: So Ventura County is a little bit different than some of that.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, they're using water.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: They are using water.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to downplay that.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: But the agricultural impacts with water are very different than when you look
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: at like the Inland Empire and almond stuff.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: Almond stuff is insane.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: And when you go out to like Riverside,
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: they don't have higher humidity like somewhere that butts right up to the ocean has.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I'm aware almond, but I also don't, I just don't like almonds that much.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think that they are probably the least interesting nut.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Pecans are always the better nut.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Walnuts, obviously, top tier nut.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: I could eat walnuts all day long.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Pistachios as well.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: I can't talk about top tier nuts.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: I can't.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: I made sure to say it multiple times as you started to laugh.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm as red as my sweatshirt right now.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: California also grows a lot of pistachios, which takes a huge amount of water.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually do like pistachios.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: We used to get our pistachios out of Iran back in the day,
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: but we don't do that anymore because of obvious reasons.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, maybe soon.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of pistachios are actually grown up near Gilmore,
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: or Gilmore, Gilroy, which is where garlic comes from.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: I used to work with the California Tourism Board.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be a board member.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know all sorts of factoids about California.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I do.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've been to a lot of random California farms.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like fun.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I've also been to Iowa and toured all of the corn farms and through some pig farms.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: And let me tell you, I love pork.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Pork is probably my favorite thing to eat.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: It is probably my favorite thing to cook.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: I make pork all the time.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: I will always love making pork,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: but going to the pork producer barns, they were doing it as a PR thing.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, look at how ethically we do this.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was so gross.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, You're actually doing the worst.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like this.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's a reason that the phrase,
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: go see how the sausage is made,
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: it generally doesn't mean that things are made appealingly.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've seen lots of sausage being made beautifully.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Cooking-wise, also,
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: in my former career in politics,
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't actually mind that,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: but, like, seeing how the pigs were living was actually kind of sad and depressing.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it was supposed to not be.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was supposed to make me really happy about the Iowa farming situation.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of did the opposite.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: Pigs are actually relatively smart creatures.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: They are.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're delicious.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: They are.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to not eat pigs because they're smart.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Man was given dominion over these creatures to do with as we please and we choose
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: to eat them and I'm fine with that.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: When the kids were little,
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: there's a farm,
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: a couple houses down from our house in Colorado,
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: and they had a bunch of pigs out all the time.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: And when I was driving the kids to school every morning,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: my daughter would be like, oh, there's the piggies.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, pigs.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, pigs.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: And she'd talk to them.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: And she noticed one day that she hadn't seen the pigs for a while.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, gosh.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: That time of year.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: She goes, Mom, where's the pigs?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: They're gone.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, well, and I'm like bracing myself for this hard, painful discussion.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: And she goes, they're bacon now.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yum.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: I took a turn.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was not prepared for that.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: I was prepared for my sweet.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: She was like five or six at the time.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was prepared for Waterworks.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, yum, bacon.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: She's great.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: She really is.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: She's like
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Ed Asner.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: European food is good.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: Don't get me wrong.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: All of that food is available in America.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: We tend to make a calculation in America and are given much more free reign than
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: to make the calculation of do I want to go to Fresh Market
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: where I can get all this stuff for a lot of money or do I want to go to Kroger
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: where I can get the kind of flabby looking pink chicken breast
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: or pinkish white chicken breast for like a quarter of the price of that thing
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: at Fresh Market.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Most people,
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: either by necessity or choice,
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: tend to go with it because fundamentally with all of these things,
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really matter in most applications.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: The kind of things you are making chicken breast in, you're probably frying the heck out of it.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: In American cuisine, you are probably putting in a soup or a stew or something.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really matter.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: You're throwing chicken broth in there to supplement the chicken flavor anyway, most likely.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, the all-natural, very
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: rosy red chicken breast tastes more chicken.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: The European strawberry tastes more strawberry.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: But that is also—
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: Does the difference merit the price difference?
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: And most people, most people's calculation obviously is no.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, number one, I make boiled chicken all the time, which everyone thinks sounds gross.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually delicious.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but you shred it up and I boil it like in chicken stock.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's so good.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to make boiled chicken and make you eat it.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's so, so good.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's so much flavor in it.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like, I mean, you have to do it right.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways, it's the
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: most British thing I've ever heard someone say.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, my.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: I got this meat.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to boil it.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I have.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: I actually, you know, season it, which is something the Brits don't do.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: But back to the difference between like strawberries and chicken.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: There is a different variety of strawberry that they grow versus what we grow.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: But chicken, we have the same breeds that they have.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: There are some heritage breeds that you can get.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: For Thanksgiving,
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: for a long time,
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: we're getting heritage breed turkeys,
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: which we were just paying for a name in a fancy box.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's also gamier and funnier.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Look, I love Taco Bell.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: I love fine dining, but I love trash.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I actually like the saline-filled poultry because,
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, it's just what I'm used to.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like, sometimes, like, I won't eat grass-fed beef.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone talks about grass-fed beef all the time.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wheat-fed is better.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: It could be
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: corn finish.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: Is the best.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you need a grain finish.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: If it's grass-fed, it needs to be finished on grain.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: If it's just fully grass-fed, it's so funky, and I just suffer me.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: When it comes to Thanksgiving,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: when we do Thanksgiving at home,
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: we alternate between doing it at home and doing it at my in-laws.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: So when we do Thanksgiving at home, I try to strike a happy compromise.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because, again,
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: years and years ago,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: I spent forever,
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: and I spent a lot of money Getting a true heritage breed turkey, and it was fine.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's fine.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I try to strike a compromise.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I also, if you're talking like a Butterball or a Jenny O or whatever,
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: the meat doesn't taste like turkey, especially, frankly.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I try to compromise, and I will get a...
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Commercial breed,
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: like a more standard commercial breed,
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: but I'll try to find a more free-range, better version of it.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: The last few times I've done it, again,
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Fresh Market actually has,
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: they have a couple of very good store turkeys that are like an in-between thing.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're expensive, they're not as expensive as like a true heritage breed.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to get them for 79 cents a pound or whatever it is.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can often get it around Thanksgiving at your grocery store if you spend $25
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: or whatever their promotions.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to get it for free.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: Giant Eagle,
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: my in-laws always have,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Giant Eagle in Pittsburgh will always do,
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: like, spend $300 over the course of October or November and get a free turkey.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: So they always have the free turkey.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like...
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: So two funny thoughts.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Number one,
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: I now live in the home of Thanksgiving and we have to figure out what we're doing
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: for Thanksgiving this year.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: We might go somewhere.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: We might rent a house somewhere.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not totally sure.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, we are where Thanksgiving starts.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Knowing you, you're going to leave America for Thanksgiving.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to be like, oh, thanks for America being there.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to go to Ireland.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually trying.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: That is on my lobby list, but I'm going to be shot down by my husband.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, how about Maine?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, how about Scotland?
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: You should go to Maine.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_01: Maine is beautiful.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: You'd be at home in Portland, Maine.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: You'd love Portland, Maine.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: I've been to Portland, Maine.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very Courtney place.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's very hippie.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like Colorado.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: I love my liberal places.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's so funny.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not at all, but I love my liberal places.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: I feel out of place in a red state.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel weird.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm used to being the weird one.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: hold on.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, I was going to say, you know what holiday I don't actually really like all that much?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thanksgiving.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Don't care for it.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because it gets in the way of Christmas for you.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: We have had this conversation.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: You...
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Choose to not be thankful for what God has graced you with.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Instead, your eyes are only firmly fixed forward on the holiday.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's all about, what can I get?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: What can people give me?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, take that back, sir.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: The birth of our Lord and Savior is very much worth celebrating.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Also, Santa is fun.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even do Santa for my kids, but I love Santa.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: They took part in it with us, but...
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: I vastly prefer Thanksgiving to Christmas
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: because there are no real expectations around Thanksgiving.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Thanksgiving is all about just gathering.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, okay.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Thanksgiving is a friggin' federal holiday.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: My family goes crazy for it.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: It always ends in, like, loud, raucous fights.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, no.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, like my family's crazy and we just- That's just Irish.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fair,
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: but also- You're
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: describing literally every get together that involves more
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: than one Irish person.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Also, my family, dude, my family fights and Thanksgiving is always like a knockdown drag out.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Always, every year.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: There were like, even as adults- We will.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: My brother and I like fully,
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: fully fought, almost came to blows as adults a couple of Thanksgivings ago.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: I just we're crazy.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: And Thanksgiving always ends in a fight.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: It just always does.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: None of these problems.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: We were the most waspy family in the world.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: We we rarely actually even got together for Thanksgiving as like, you know, an extended family.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And when we did, it was always kind of awkward and everyone quiet.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the one time my great aunt Mary Jane sitting there at Thanksgiving.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: She was losing her mind.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: I have a great aunt Mary Jane too.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: She was losing her mind at this point.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: She got demented as she got quite old.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: I remember her sitting there talking about, you're going to put me on an ice flow.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to put me on the ice and send me out to the ocean.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Mary Jane, we're not going to put you on the ice.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: You're fine.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know where she picked
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: this up.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: We just we fight about how the food is made.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: What kind of food was ordered?
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Did we order the correct things?
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like we went to Thanksgiving last year, two years ago.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: My mom didn't have a turkey.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, oh, I thought we'd do something different this year.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, it's Thanksgiving.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: If it were up to me, every major holiday, I would get Chinese food and go to a movie.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: The Jews got that right.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: My Catholic family did Christmas.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: So my parents, my dad's agnostic.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: My mom's a very, very lapsed Catholic.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that is one thing I really miss about growing up with my parents.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: That would never fly with Luke, who's becoming a priest.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we used to spend all day on Christmas.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: We would just buy like all the movie theater.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: We would just plan it.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: So you'd go from movie to movie to movie to movie to movie.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was the best.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was so much fun.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's, that's the, uh, I always want to just eat Chinese food.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Get the fancy stuff.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: The only time when I would go to a Chinese restaurant and be like,
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: I want the duck, is Christmas.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Because you don't get the Kung Pao chicken or the General Tso's or whatever on Christmas.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: You find a Chinese place that makes good duck and you get the duck.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: You can get duck year-round at Chinese food places, I do just want to say.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can, but I'm not going to do that.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: If I set foot in a Chinese place...
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Every day outside of Christmas, I'm getting gentle-toed chickens.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love gentle-toed chickens.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: Christmas, if I'm doing Christmas.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Boring order.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I like it too, but it's just like, go beyond.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much to Chinese food.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: I will not.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: If I go to a Chinese restaurant, I'm getting gentle-toed chickens.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm going to a Thai restaurant, I am getting pad thai, ideally with beef.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Spicy.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Spicy.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: I went in college,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: my wife will affirm the story,
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: we went to England on a college tour trip,
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: and I spent, how long were we there, two weeks I think, three, I don't remember.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: I spent the entire time, every restaurant I went to, I just got spaghetti bolognese.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think I may have told you this story.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: You have told this story before.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: I trucked around England to get spaghetti bolognese
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: because my theory was it's really hard to mess up spaghetti bolognese.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't have a bad dish of spaghetti bolognese.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: But except for the one, did I tell you about the Indian restaurant we went to in England?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think I alluded to this once, but I don't know if I told you about this.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: So this was a college trip.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: So a bunch of us,
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: we all went off on our own and we went to an Indian restaurant because
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: the town we went to school and did not have an Indian restaurant.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: This was the early 2000s.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Indian food was around, but it wasn't as pervasive in many places as it is now.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we went to an Indian restaurant and I got, I like spicy food.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm on record liking spicy food.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: So there were probably like 10 of us.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I ordered something that said it was spicy on the menu.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was a lamb dish.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was like lamb and rice.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, British spicy is very different than American spicy.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: But it was like arranged very beautifully on this big platter with
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: a single red pepper right in the middle of right in the middle of it all.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: So somebody says, are you going to eat the pepper?
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: I said, well, if everyone at the table gives me one pound, I will eat the pepper.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone did, except my now wife did not pay up.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: She was against this whole thing and was like, I'm not paying to have you eat a pepper.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: I eat those peppers.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: I eat them.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: I ate the pepper,
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: and at first I was fine,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: but then apparently I was turning red because our waiter came running
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: and was like, did you eat the pepper?
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I started to tear up.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: He started bringing jugs of milk to me and water and being like,
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: drink, drink.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: There's a hot pot place in Loveland that just opened right before we moved,
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: which sucks because it was really, really good.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: And their prices were fantastic.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: So like when we go back in October, I'm going to spend probably every day at this hot pot place.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I get the really spicy prices.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_00: I have a very high tolerance for spice.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: I have a high-ish,
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: like I like spice,
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: but like eventually it stops being like tasting spicy and just becomes fire
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: in your mouth.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the point where I no longer like it.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: I like those because it clears out your sinuses and I have like chronic sinus problems.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: But also I just like it.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: I like the burn.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: But that's...
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's probably something emotional there.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it makes my husband hiccup and I can't ever get like really.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: He just he'll breathe in more, I guess.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: And he just starts hiccuping and he starts crying.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: If things get too spicy, it gives me the hiccups as well.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's it.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: I get hiccups easily.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: I thought everyone did this, but apparently not.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Only me and my daughters, but not my wife.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: It is possible for me and my daughters to laugh hard enough that we get
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: a really bad bout of the hiccups.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: You're just
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: inhaling too much air.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: If something is very funny and either one of us three laughs too much, we'll start hiccuping.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said,
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: I assume this was true for everyone,
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: but apparently it's not because it's certainly not for my wife.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: She finds it bizarre.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: I find it bizarre, too.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's you,
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: so it is.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's true.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Side note, while we're talking about food, did you download the brand new album from Wendy's?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Wendy's?
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: I saw that.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: They've gone emo.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: They changed their Twitter logo profile to Wendy with her hair over one eye.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: They have She Said She Didn't Want Fries,
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: Salt in the Wound, I Miss the Sun Room, which I do miss the Sun Room.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: I do miss the Sun Room.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: The Best Combo Meal on the Worst Night of My Life.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a phase.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's a 10-piece.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: That is a great name.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: And My Frosty's Funeral.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Available on Spotify and Apple Music and all that, I'd say.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I actually haven't listened to it yet.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: I was meeting up with a Twitter mutual last night and working this morning,
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: so I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm actually very excited for this.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't much like that style of music, so I didn't bother to listen to it.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, seeing as how I was just at the My Chemical Romance concert,
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: we know that I'm like, yeah.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Wendy's social media team is very good.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: I miss Dave Thomas.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Dave Thomas was the heart and soul of Wendy's.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Their quality's gone down.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Their price has gone up since he died.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the soul went out of the place when he died,
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: which tends to happen when the founder dies.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to keep that same energy going.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: But Dave Thomas was just a legitimately good guy and just a fantastic entrepreneur
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: and businessman.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I miss his reassuring presence on their commercials.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was a huge advocate for adoption.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: He was orphaned.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: So he was orphaned and adopted.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that was like he was big into like,
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: you know, trying to get homes for children who like him who needed something.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that was like there's a truly inspirational story.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Do you dip your fries in the Frosty, though?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see if you're friends.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was it.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't do that.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, my gosh.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: Ketchup goes on fries.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: Fries get ketchup.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, number one, I don't eat any...
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't eat condiments, like hard stop.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: I don't eat ketchup because I'm not a child.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I can't eat mustard.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: And everything else has mustard in it, but...
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Ketchup... Is for children.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, ketchup...
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know the history of ketchup?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know where ketchup came from?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: For people who have a palate so weak, they don't
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: like the flavor of food.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, it is not.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: So ketchup...
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Sugary...
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: There used
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: to be a lot of different types of ketchup.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: What's it?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Mushroom ketchup.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Before tomato ketchup became a big thing, mushroom ketchup was the big thing.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: So what ketchup is, is the Europeans went to China and they had fish sauce.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: And they thought fish sauce was great on stuff.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: They'd bring fish sauce back.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: We need to figure out how they make this in China.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: Two different innovations came from Europeans trying to replicate fish sauce
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: with locally available ingredients.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Ketchup and Worcestershire sauce.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Which I like.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Worcestershire sauce is wonderful.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: Ketchup is just so sweet.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's just not for me.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: So then vinegar.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: How do you feel about vinegar on fries?
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's great.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: I love a good malt vinegar.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, malt vinegar on fries.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: Ideally a malt bit vinegar.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's fine.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: And on fish.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: And on fish.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: With the lemon and a little bit of tartar sauce.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know I love mason.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: No tartar sauce, though.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: No tartar sauce.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's a condiment.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you understand how psychotic I am.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: You're the worst food blogger, my God.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: The anti-condiment.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: You won't eat literally any condiment.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, oh, no, I professionally recommend foods for...
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: But I will not eat any of the most popular accompaniments to food.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: I like food to taste how it's supposed to taste.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's supposed to taste the way it does with a condiment.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Also, you just said you put malt vinegar on French fries and fish.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but I don't count vinegar.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: Get off your high horse.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't count vinegar.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: I count it as like a sauce.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Just like salsa.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: I will eat salsa.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: And hot sauce.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Ketchup's a sauce.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's gross.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: You're a hypocrite.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: You're a hypocrite.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's gross.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Never claimed not to be.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of gross, yesterday, was that yesterday?
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was yesterday.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: There was a post going around about a lady lamenting how men use the toilet too long.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: She was completely...
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: I looked her up.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: She has aSubstack and apparently has a forthcoming book about how
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: divorce is
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: a good thing.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: She claims to be the person who single-handedly destigmatized divorce.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I don't think that's true because divorce was becoming destigmatized in the 60s.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: My grandparents got divorced when my dad was in college.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Lady did nothing.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway,
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: so she wrote a whole Substack article about how basically aggressive it is and
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: that men will go into the bathroom and use the bathroom for too long.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, while she might be wrong on the divorce thing,
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: she's not wrong on this because I will say, okay,
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: as someone who just moved to a one-bathroom apartment with her teen son
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: and her husband, I will say...
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: Taking too much time in there is actually an act of war.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: They go in there.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: They are dead to the world.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: When I was taking care of my kids when they were little and I was going to
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: the bathroom,
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: I had to like get my business done in record time because there'd be
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: the little fingers under the door or they would just come in with me.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I just need like two seconds.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know who got those two seconds?
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: My husband.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: He could have all day.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't bother him when he was in there.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: When I was in there, it was like, all right, we're going to sit and watch you do your business.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: The fact that women are not as efficient about setting boundaries for their children
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: than men is not the man's fault.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that is fair, but also...
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: But also,
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: now that my kids are older,
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: what if I have to pee and he's taking 30 minutes in the bath?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: Not my husband, my son.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: My son could take all day.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: He could just sit in there.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's just sitting playing video games on his phone.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, dude, go into your room and do that.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: I have to pee.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: It is actually an issue.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: I will agree that...
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: If you only have one bathroom, it becomes more complicated.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: If you have more than one bathroom,
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: however, which,
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: let's be honest, most people at this point in time have more than one bathroom.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Just not me.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: If you have more than one bathroom,
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: every king needs a throne on which to do his reflecting,
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_01: on which to ponder his day, ponder his tomorrow, ponder the future, ponder the past.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: I love really visuals.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a really visual person and I don't need us to keep going down this
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: because I don't need to picture.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: You!
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_01: You asked to do this topic.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: You specifically said, I want to talk about this, so we're talking about it.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but you're going extra on it,
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: and now I'm just picturing you,
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: and no, it's not a thought I want
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: to have in my mind.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: You made choices that you regret.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pulling the escape hatch.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: Perhaps later,
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: when you're sitting on the toilet,
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: you could spend your time pondering this,
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: that you've made a choice that you now regret.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in and out in three seconds.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's you.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: So what I posted as a subpost,
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: but not many people saw it,
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: but that there is a specific book that I've always preferred to have
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: In my bathroom.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: It is a 1950s era,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Reader's Digress,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Treasury of Wit and Humor, so that there is always reading available.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: So there's always something interesting to read.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have two copies of it, one in each of my bathrooms.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: We have, at home in Colorado, I have two really funny books.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_00: We have the Who's But?
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: No wonder you're spending all day in there.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: Go sit on your patio and read.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the funny thing.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: That book doesn't leave the bathroom.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: That book
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: goes in the bathroom.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: Guess what?
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're portable.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: It can.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's the bathroom book.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: Get a hammock.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: Get a hobby.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's other books I could read there.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: It has some little short snippet things for if you're going to be done quickly.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it has some longer humorous essays by some of America's great writers of
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: the early part of the 20th century.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to say settle in, aren't you?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that is just where I'm out.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: For when you want to settle in.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, to the one
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: listener we have left.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't suggest this topic.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: You were very excited.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: You started text messaging me saying, oh, let's talk about this.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I can be wrong.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Courtney and I want to be wrong about something when we record next.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: So let's talk about this.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't say wrong.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: I said I would take the woman's side.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't say wrong in so many words.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: I understand this act of aggression, especially as I have one bathroom now.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: Given how much.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: One bathroom, which, by the way, I'm paying twice my mortgage to rent.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Women get so cranky as an aggregate group.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Women get so cranky when men criticize basically anything they do.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, oh, who are you to tell me I shouldn't wear this skirt?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Who are you to tell me X, Y, Z?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get to play that game.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get to turn around and be like, oh, men shouldn't use the bathroom for so long.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, you don't get to criticize us for that.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: Mind your own business.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's my body, my choice.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: I want to sit my body on the toilet for half an hour.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel like there's better use of your day.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, there isn't.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: There isn't.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: It is important.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the really funny thing.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: I am this way, but not about that.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: I am this way about showers.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'll drink a coffee and shower.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: I will have a shower beer.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: If I can,
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: and actually our Boston place,
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: if we didn't only have one bathroom,
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_00: we have an actual water heater that delivers endless amounts of scalding hot water.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: What did you have in Colorado?
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: A small water heater that almost blew up and almost killed us one Christmas.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was a smaller tank.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: The house that we're in has like a mega tank that just never runs out.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, that is nice.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's really nice.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: I could literally set up shop in here, but the whole one bathroom thing.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Even though you're renting, you could always just pay to have a new bathroom installed.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um...
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's how it works.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: I do actually.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: I've been looking at house listings here and I'm like, oh, crap.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: Not cheap.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: Not cheap in that area.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: Side note,
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: if anyone would like to buy a townhouse in Berthoud,
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: Colorado, right across from the TPC Country Club, hit me up.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: You said there's other units that have been on sale there for a while,
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: but they're not as well constructed.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: They're not as big.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Mine is the biggest in the development.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm waiting for this one, like, two houses down to sell.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think it just did.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, I think I'm going to put it on the market.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: If you sold your townhouse, then you could probably afford a down payment.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was in Austin.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: I also have savings and a job and I'm paying an insane amount of rent
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: that is double my mortgage.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that's kind of
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: nuts.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we have a discount, too.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like with the discount, it's double my mortgage.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you could probably get a cheaper house like out in Framingham or something.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but that's too far.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's too far because we're going back and forth to campus a lot and my son wants
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: to go to school here.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then if I buy something here, we can rent it back to other seminarians like when we're gone.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not a problem.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: And the prices are actually starting to drop here.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: Turns out there is a limit to how many millionaires there are in Massachusetts.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've hit critical mass.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_01: The thing is—well, because they're leaving.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: But the houses are—I mean,
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: there's still way too much money for what it is,
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: but they're starting to be in the like, oh, I could actually make that work.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is a good—if you are lucky enough to have— I could buy half.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: I could put half down in cash.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: But because interest rates are so high,
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_01: if you can pay a whole lot of it up front, you'll save yourself.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're a more attractive buyer.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because prices will have to start coming down just
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: because the
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: Interest rate is so crazy.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Some of us have private financing options available.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_01: Some of us got a mortgage in 2020 and have an incredibly low interest rate.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's pretty great.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's the other problem is I bought my townhouse in 2016.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I still,
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: I actually think I'm still coded as under an employee code because I used to lobby
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: for the credit union.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_00: And my dad used to be like their CFO.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, that was a little Nepo baby shout out.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, whatever.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: We all have our things.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think my interest rate on my townhouse is like two and a half percent.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it's not because I'm like, but I don't want a townhouse in Berthoud, Colorado.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think ours is probably about that as well, maybe slightly lower.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: We also use a credit union.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'd never had a credit.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think we discussed this before.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'd never used a credit union before we moved to where we live now.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: I actually like a credit union.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's a pretty nice place.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone should have a credit union and should work with credit unions.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: And yes,
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: I am a former employee of America's credit unions and
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: the Credit Union National Association.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: Banks are fine, but the credit union actually does that.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: They have a lot of offices,
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: and they are very responsive,
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: and they pay us small dividends on our money we've kept and spent in there.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, most of them are on the Plus Network, and you can use them worldwide.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: There are credit unions around the world.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: I actually went to the World Council of Credit Unions meetings a couple times
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: when my dad was the national chair of credit unions.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: Fancy.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I really am.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: I am an EPO baby.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, not at all.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: You actually are an EPO baby.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: I really am.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: My dad was a credit union CE.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: He retired like three years ago, four years.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, right before COVID.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a bit then.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Six years ago.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, God.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_00: He retired, but he was the chair nationally of the Credit Union Association.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was on their board forever.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: He was the CEO of Credit Union's I worked in the Senate and then the senator
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: that I worked for was retiring and they actually headhunted me like they begged me
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: to apply the association in Colorado and Wyoming and then Arizona now, too.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, hey,
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_00: we actually they had a bipartisan split and they have to in states because it's
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: a trade association.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_00: They needed a Republican.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I was working for a senator on banking and I grew up in credit unions
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: and I knew all the credit union CEOs.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I was my job was primarily to fundraise for them,
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: but then to pick their election strategy and run all of our elections programs.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: And they were like, well, you know it because you grew up in it.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it is a little NEPO, but I also but I also was like actually very qualified.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: As someone who's never gotten anything based on my family name or based
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: on my family connections,
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: I will say,
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think there are arguments to be made for Nepo babies, for motivated Nepo babies.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: You get a bad rap from the owner's kid who's a complete douche
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: and just assumes he's going to take her over the company and runs it into
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_01: the ground.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_01: But there is something to be said for someone who grew up in that mid-you,
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: who understands it, who actually cared about it and wants it and knows it.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: Especially when it comes to PAC fundraising, which is already awkward enough.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was actually the most qualified regardless of political party and all
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: the different expectations.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I had a degree in political science with a finance and global – Focus in global finance.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: So like I was very, very qualified for it.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: But the great thing about growing up in credit unions is I knew all the CEOs
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_00: and they couldn't say no to their friend's daughter.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: That was my whole job was like getting money from my dad's friends.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: Sharp-eared listeners who can read between the lines will see this as being
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: a persuasive argument for monarchy and nobility.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: I've never been shy about the fact that my husband has swayed me to be incredibly pro-monarchy.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: I started off life a, you know, doe-eyed Republican who just absolutely loved our democracy.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: And now I am like, nope, end it all, monarchy.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I specifically want a Catholic king.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: So there you go.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Orthodox.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even want an Orthodox king because the Orthodox get a little crazy.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_00: I want a Catholic king.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: A Catholic king who's fine with Orthodox doing our own thing.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's it, the King of Liechtenstein.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: Are you familiar with this?
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, but I was once arrested at the Prince of Liechtenstein's summer home in Czechia.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: The King of Liechtenstein is Catholic.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: He's very Catholic.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: He takes his Catholicism very seriously.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember what the topic was.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: It was either abortion or assisted suicide.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Either one.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: They were going to...
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: The government is not...
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's a secular government.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: They were going to pass a bill.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was abortion.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think they were going to...
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: Abortion is technically illegal there.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: They were going to legalize it or lift restrictions on it.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he didn't say you can't do it.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: He said...
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you pass this bill, I'm going to abdicate.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: Literally over my dead body.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love it.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: I am a faithful Catholic.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying you can't do this.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot be your king if you pass this bill.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm asking you to make a choice of which you want.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want me as your king or do you want?
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it ended up getting knocked down.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that use of power.
• 1:00:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's the use of monarchical soft power.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't saying, you can't do this.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was basically like, if you look at the book of Samuel, it was basically what God did.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_01: God was like,
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: the Jewish people asked for a king,
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: and they asked Samuel,
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_01: and Samuel went to God,
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: and God was like,
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: If they want a king,
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: they can have a king, but then they get everything that goes with it.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, you can have it.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying you can't have it, but you need to appreciate what you're giving up by taking it.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Look at us starting up the podcast talking about American versus European produce
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_00: and ending advocating for a monarchy in America.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: For a monarchy.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're good then.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: We've covered a lot of ground and we rambled a bit, but I thought I went okay.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, it did.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_00: Also, quick note before we end, go and meet your Twitter mutuals.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's really fun.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, you met Micro, right?
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: You met Johnny Micro.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's a good guy.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: I like him.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_00: Who's going to listen to this because we're going to send him a link and then he will hear it.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_00: So here's a shout out.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_01: Micro's a good guy.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: Micro was...
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think I might have more followers than him now,
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: which is really weird to me,
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: because he was one of the big accounts... Oh,
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_00: stop patting yourself on the back.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it really is.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's really weird to me.
• 1:02:16
  SPEAKER_01: He was one of...
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: He followed me really early on, and he engages with people, which I've often said.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: It annoys me that you have a lot of people with more followers who don't bother to engage.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_01: He always engaged with me, but I remember...
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: We were doing, for a while, Twitter spaces were a big thing.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone was doing Twitter spaces.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: You don't see those much anymore.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_00: We should do that again.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: Those were kind of fun.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: We've always had fun when we've done them.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: Micro did a space, and I wasn't doing anything, so I logged on to it.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't have, I think I made like 3,000 followers then, I don't remember.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I logged on to it, and then he invited me.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: I literally didn't know he knew who I was.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: Aww.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was really flattered.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, my God.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have actually made enough waves that this much larger accountant
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: who I find very fun and entertaining and cool knows who I am.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was a big boost of my self-esteem.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, that's nice.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'll always appreciate him for that.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: He paid attention, knew who I was.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I posted a picture last night of us hanging out, so it's on my Twitter.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's on his Twitter, too.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: No pictures of you, though, because you won't put your face out there.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_01: Just the coat of arms.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's my account designator.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_00: I could actually put up pictures and no one would know.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be like, oh, yeah, you see this dude in all my pictures.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's also my canonical portrait, but I haven't used that in so long.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think most people aren't aware of it anymore.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's the canonical koozie face.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty gay.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's an 18th century French guy.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: End with that.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.