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#333 - Janelle Monáe · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, Y'all's Janelle Monnee. Check me out on
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  Speaker 1: the Bootleg keV Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Bootleg keV Show special guest in here. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: Cominge Monee.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me Bootleg keV.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was telling you this album that you have
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  Speaker 2: released it just first of all, I heard you had
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  Speaker 2: a good time last night celebrating I did. I did,
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  Speaker 2: great album. It feels like the summer. It feels like
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  Speaker 2: pool vibes. It feels like, you know, barbecue in water, mm,
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  Speaker 2: alcohol in the air.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, thank you so much for listening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely have vacation vibes on my mind.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're also in the water on the cover.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, you know it's all about being I'm more
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  Speaker 1: like I will say, I'm like water these days. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that's what life. You gotta you gotta roll like.
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  Speaker 3: That for you.
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  Speaker 2: Like I think like you obviously we know that like
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  Speaker 2: Afrobeats is kind of like finally getting it's like just
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  Speaker 2: do commercially, but for you to have like Egypt eighty
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  Speaker 2: on the project repeatedly, they're kind of like the family
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  Speaker 2: that started afrobeats. Yeah, so I don't think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people know that is that was that something like
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  Speaker 2: you consciously wanted to do, like kind of give them
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  Speaker 2: their light, because I think that was pretty dope to
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  Speaker 2: have them on the album.
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  Speaker 1: All yeah, No, shay Yun Kuti, who is the son
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you guys don't know, is the son
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  Speaker 1: of Fela Kuti, who is just legendary.
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  Speaker 2: The founder of afrobeats, the.
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  Speaker 1: Founder of so much of the music that we love
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  Speaker 1: from the continent. And we had done like a couple
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  Speaker 1: of shows together and you know, he definitely is making
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  Speaker 1: his dad proud, but he's his own person and he's
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  Speaker 1: just sick when it comes to horn playing. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I want to make sure that we have
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  Speaker 1: his touch because it's important to me that the diaspora
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  Speaker 1: is seen here. You know, this is a super Pan
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  Speaker 1: African album. Blackness from every corner. You know, all of
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  Speaker 1: my friends are from you know, Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa, Jamaica, Caribbean,
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  Speaker 1: and it's beautiful when our music, you know, America, North America,
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  Speaker 1: all of our music cultures can talk to each other.
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  Speaker 1: So that was that was important on this album that
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  Speaker 1: you saw saw this melting pot of like I guess,
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  Speaker 1: appreciation and love for for all things us and.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like very good, like it's it'd be like
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  Speaker 2: some people try to pull stuff in and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it just sounds like like it sounds great
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  Speaker 2: and organic. So I agree. Yo. I wanted to ask
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  Speaker 2: you because obviously are you from Kansas City, Kansas to Missouri.
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  Speaker 3: Kansas City, Kansas all day? You gotta know it?
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  Speaker 2: Are you like super hip to like because on the
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  Speaker 2: other side of the order there's Casey Mo and there's
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  Speaker 2: like Tech nine is like the biggest guy.
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  Speaker 1: I love Tech nine. Yes, I've been doing Tech nine
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. We used to be well he
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  Speaker 1: probably wasn't doing these, but I would remember performing at
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  Speaker 1: events where he would be and performing talent shows. That
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  Speaker 1: was all I did. Five hundred dollars first prize and
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  Speaker 1: Tech nine was like always the guy in Kansas City legendary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just always want because I was such a small
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  Speaker 2: place in terms of like musically.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's on the Missouri side, but we share
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  Speaker 1: a city and we all. I was always performed, we
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  Speaker 1: were performing at the same events. We would always somehow
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  Speaker 1: end up in the same sort of studio with the
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  Speaker 1: same people. Yeah, I have a whole whole nother past.
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  Speaker 1: The Weirdos too, that was another rap group. I used
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  Speaker 1: to be sort of in that group singing. We were
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  Speaker 1: like a more I don't know, like experimental fujis.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: We we love the Fujis and we were like, how
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  Speaker 1: can we make it even more weird?
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  Speaker 3: You know when we did stuff together?
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  Speaker 2: So you know what I mean. I realized too recently
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  Speaker 2: because I just revisited I revisited Idlewild for like the
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  Speaker 2: first time. It feels like in like ten years. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm a huge Outcast fan. I got Equimini right there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but that's like the last real I guess body of
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  Speaker 2: work we got from both of them. And you're on
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  Speaker 2: that body of work, it's got to be a big
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  Speaker 2: like do you ever like think like, damn, I'm on
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  Speaker 2: the last Outcast album like that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is legendary.
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  Speaker 1: They're legendary and just as people, I love them, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they they've always been sort of like mentors to me.
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  Speaker 1: Big Boy did a lot for my career, sure, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and I always thank them. And then even artistically
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  Speaker 1: when you look at Outcasts, you know, they always pushed
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  Speaker 1: something new, you know, you got the roots of funk
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  Speaker 1: and and but they the way that they did it
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  Speaker 1: was super innovative and it definitely inspired me to to
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  Speaker 1: to start wanting to when I first started out to
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  Speaker 1: be comfortable and confident.
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  Speaker 3: In being unique.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, they did such a good job
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  Speaker 2: of reinventing themselves every album, And you've done a good
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  Speaker 2: job of kind of reinventing yourself every time you put
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  Speaker 2: a new body or workout. Is that something that because
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  Speaker 2: I think fans sometimes get wrapped up in like liking
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  Speaker 2: their favorite artists for like Justice, But I feel like
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  Speaker 2: the greats, like we think of Kendrick yourself obviously cast
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  Speaker 2: like they always are reinventing themselves, like every project, Like
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  Speaker 2: you know, for you, is that something like do you
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  Speaker 2: always want to make sure when you're putting out a
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  Speaker 2: new body of work or you start recording that you
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  Speaker 2: maybe experiment a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it's fun.
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  Speaker 1: I love the journey and evolving and finding out new
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  Speaker 1: things about myself, discovering new things about what I can do,
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  Speaker 1: redefining that for myself on my turn, my own turn, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as artists, you make the rules.
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  Speaker 1: So everything you know from me today. I literally made
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  Speaker 1: up those rules that this is this is what I
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  Speaker 1: want to do, and you know, this is how I'm
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  Speaker 1: living my life at this time. And it's always beautiful
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  Speaker 1: to be able to honor where you are at that time.
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  Speaker 1: You can look back on every album and.
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  Speaker 3: Like, wow, you remember where I was?
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  Speaker 2: Where were Yeah? Yeah, yeah, talk about because obviously I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of people don't realize that, like you
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  Speaker 2: have like an incredibly sick label and like a guy
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  Speaker 2: like Jadenna started with you. Yes, And I think Jodenna
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  Speaker 2: is somebody who is a fucking beast of an artist.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, he doesn't get enough credit.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like Classic Man was like a
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  Speaker 2: gift in the curse because it was such a big record. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you got to dive into Jodenna's catalog. Yeah, super talented.
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  Speaker 3: And he actually just released a new album.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah he did, he did. And I was gonna say, like,
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  Speaker 2: for you, what is your well when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the label side and your creative company, what approach do
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  Speaker 2: you take when it comes to finding talent or just
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  Speaker 2: working with somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Well, right now, you know, my career has taken off
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  Speaker 1: in the time that I'll just have to be completely
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  Speaker 1: honest being an artist and sort of having a label,
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  Speaker 1: and then yes, it's a lot, but even even you know,
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  Speaker 1: even with Ja Dinna, we're family, you know, like I
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  Speaker 1: always I'm always, like more so of a big sister
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  Speaker 1: to him. If he needs advice, or if he wants
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  Speaker 1: me to listen to a mix, or if he's like
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  Speaker 1: should this go on the album?
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  Speaker 3: Or what do you think about this?
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  Speaker 1: We talk and and business wise, if he needs advice,
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  Speaker 1: I'm there for him. But for the most part, I
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  Speaker 1: like to artists should like be in control of what
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  Speaker 1: it is that they're doing. I don't ever want to
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  Speaker 1: talk over that, get in the way of that. And
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  Speaker 1: also be honest about just what I can take on.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think everything is partnership level. I think
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  Speaker 1: right now you don't even need a label. Nobody needs
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  Speaker 1: a label, really, you really don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean to go straight to the people.
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  Speaker 3: You can go straight to the people.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously being independent, I've been into an independent artist with
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  Speaker 1: no major label backing. I have my own label, right
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  Speaker 1: and I know what it's like to sell CDs out
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  Speaker 1: of your trunk. I know what it's like to live
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  Speaker 1: in a boarding house, you know, working at office depot
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  Speaker 1: selling CDs out of your trunk, Like, I totally get that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's it's hard. It's difficult for
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  Speaker 1: independent artists. But I think if you you know you,
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  Speaker 1: you can rewrite the rules as well.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say for you, like you are also
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  Speaker 2: like a huge actress you are in I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: was the class? What a horror movie you're injury? Like?
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  Speaker 2: Was it Annabella?
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, Antebellum.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for you when you're in like acting mode, right,
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  Speaker 2: because I know it's it's a lot to like act
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  Speaker 2: and like you have to give your mental space to
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  Speaker 2: like being someone else? Does it take away a lot
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  Speaker 2: from the music m like you have to be in like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm turning down roles because I'm working on music. Or
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  Speaker 2: can you do both simultaneously?
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  Speaker 1: I think with me music, I have to be in
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  Speaker 1: the studio on, hands on with it. I can't just
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  Speaker 1: you know, I need to be writing, collaborating, living it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, touching it, feeling it. I engineer a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my sessions, so even.
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  Speaker 2: You're running your own pro tools.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I work out of logic. Oh oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I work out of logic. Yeah, and I can work
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  Speaker 1: out of pro tools, but I prefer to do logic.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so just I need to be super hands
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  Speaker 1: on with music, so I do have to say no
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  Speaker 1: sometimes to you know, roles that may come in. It
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  Speaker 1: may come in, and sometimes that's difficult. But music has
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  Speaker 1: been so good to me a lot of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that I got a lot of my movie
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  Speaker 1: roles because of my music career, because people were able
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  Speaker 1: to see me and go into different characters. With Glass Sunyon,
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  Speaker 1: the movie I just got finished doing, Ryan Johnson said
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  Speaker 1: that he was like, I saw that you could be,
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  Speaker 1: you can embody these different characters, and this is what
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  Speaker 1: we need in this movie. You know. It is because
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  Speaker 1: of your film for Dirty Computer and seeing you in
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  Speaker 1: your different music videos and I was like, oh, she
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  Speaker 1: can do this, So I'm gonna always make time for music.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What was it like working on set with the Craig
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  Speaker 2: guy that the double Daniel Craig.
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  Speaker 1: I love Daniel, I love I love He's so humble.
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  Speaker 1: James he killed as James Bond and he's so much
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  Speaker 1: more though too, Like I didn't even just talking to him.
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  Speaker 2: He had that role that he plays in those two movies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, manz no his range is just incredible, seeing I'm
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  Speaker 1: going from that southern drawl to you know, I'm Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: like the British accent.
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  Speaker 3: Such a sweetheart.
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  Speaker 1: The whole cast, Edward Norton, I mean, Fight Club was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's like my top five, me too, Kate Hudson, all
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  Speaker 1: of them legendary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a wild cast. If you just like,
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  Speaker 2: how much was the budget for this movie? Right?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, No, we we had a wonderful time. We
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  Speaker 1: shot that in Greece, and in fact, it actually made
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  Speaker 1: me get inspired to do this album. I shot that
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  Speaker 1: film and in the same year I wrote this album.
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  Speaker 2: Really was it because Greece is like a vibe, low key.
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  Speaker 3: It was vacation vibe.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, man, like, what kind of what do
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear when I'm here? You know, when
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  Speaker 1: I'm on an island. I mean I didn't pay to
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  Speaker 1: go there. I mean obviously the studio got me there,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just so inspired, and I started thinking
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  Speaker 1: about how I wanted to feel even when I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: go on vacation. I need an album that sounds like
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  Speaker 1: you're on vacation. And I just knew my producer was
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  Speaker 1: sending me music while I was on set. I was
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  Speaker 1: picking the drums and different things, and by the time
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  Speaker 1: I shot Glass Sungon I came back, I already had
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  Speaker 1: a musical.
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  Speaker 2: Bed like yeah, flottenl.
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  Speaker 1: I definitely wrote and plotted.
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  Speaker 3: Well. I'm also plotted a lot while I was on set.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, has what has been the most uncomfortable role you've
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  Speaker 2: played as as someone who acts, because I do feel
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  Speaker 2: like there's a there's a lot that comes with that gig. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: kind of die.
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  Speaker 1: I think Antebellum was tough. I don't know if I'll
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  Speaker 1: ever do a role like that again. It was really
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  Speaker 1: tough to go and be on a plantation and you know,
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  Speaker 1: play an enslaved person in modern day times.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lot on.
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  Speaker 2: Sea that seems deep. Its heavy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very heavy.
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  Speaker 1: And it took a lot for me to get that
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  Speaker 1: off of me too, because immediately after I wrapped, my
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  Speaker 1: friends were like, let's go to Mexico, and so I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I need a vacation. But I couldn't shape
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  Speaker 1: that role and I would just remember showing up just
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  Speaker 1: like being super uneasy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, girl, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, listen, I lived basically lived on the
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  Speaker 1: plantation for two months. You know. I did it for
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  Speaker 1: my reasons, to chant, to honor, you know, my ancestors,
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  Speaker 1: and to bring awareness, you know, to to a lot
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  Speaker 1: of injustices. But yeah, I don't think I think that
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  Speaker 1: was probably my hardest.
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  Speaker 2: So when they say, like, when you act, you can
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  Speaker 2: like get into the role. I just saw, Uh the
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  Speaker 2: guy who plays Franklin sat on Snowfall say he like
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  Speaker 2: channeled the devil to be Franklin Saint it's Snowfall, and
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  Speaker 2: he's like it, like it messed with him, Like after
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  Speaker 2: the show is over a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't realize you're you're living and breathing. And
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  Speaker 1: I always you know, stay out into the universe, like
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  Speaker 1: reduce Janelle Money. I want you to see the spirit
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  Speaker 1: of this character. And and yeah, a lot, a lot,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times it's hard to shake those rolls.
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  Speaker 2: Off somebody who you had as a mentor, which not
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people can say, is uh, rest in
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  Speaker 2: peace to Prince Prince, who's one of the greatest creators
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  Speaker 2: of all time, quite possibly the most talented musician ever.
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  Speaker 2: He's up there the guitar. He could do it all
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  Speaker 2: how did you guys initially connect?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he.
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  Speaker 1: Is always The story just still freaks me out, and
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  Speaker 1: that freaks me out, but just I can't even believe
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  Speaker 1: that it happened.
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  Speaker 3: But he was supposed to show up. I was opening
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  Speaker 3: up for.
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  Speaker 1: Raphael Sadek doing Yeah, exactly, my first album, and I
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  Speaker 1: get a knock after I get finished performing, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I had I remember, I had a sinus infection that day.
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  Speaker 3: I was just like.
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  Speaker 1: Loopy and this really really pretty girl knocks on the
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  Speaker 1: door and she was like, I have somebody who wants
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you. And the girl was DJ Rashida,
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  Speaker 1: who was Princess DJ at the time, but I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know that that was, you know, his DJ, And she
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  Speaker 1: just gives me the phone and then I'm like hello,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like congested and I'm just like hello, and
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  Speaker 1: he's like hello Janell and I'm like, Hi, who is this?
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  Speaker 1: This is Prince Prince, Yeah, Prince, I was supposed to
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  Speaker 1: come to your gig, but they gave me the wrong time.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like what, like.
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  Speaker 1: Just freaking out or trying not to because I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to embarrass myself. And so then he proceeds to
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  Speaker 1: say listen. I was was to come, we're having a
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  Speaker 1: jam session. You know, do you and the band want
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  Speaker 1: to come back and you know jam? And I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we want to come back and jam. And the rest
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  Speaker 1: was history. The rest was on the Minneapolis towards No
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  Speaker 1: he was in La So what he would do is
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  Speaker 1: and he was one of the best like party throwers
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  Speaker 1: that you will ever know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we have seen some Chappelle skits that I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how true those kids are, but my
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  Speaker 1: interactions with him have always been like can play guitar
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  Speaker 1: and party like till the sun comes up seven in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. I didn't leave that night, me and my band,
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  Speaker 1: we did not leave till seven in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: So this was a jam session day seven.
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  Speaker 3: In the morning.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was just it was amazing. And he
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  Speaker 1: was just talking to me. He was like he was
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  Speaker 1: telling me everything he loved about what he had seen
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  Speaker 1: me do. And I was like, I didn't even know
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  Speaker 1: you looked on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: Right, like you know who I am.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like I would just think you would be somewhere,
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  Speaker 1: get up in some sort of castle, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Right with no Wi Fi.
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  Speaker 1: But he was very aware and I always tell people
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  Speaker 1: the best thing about him is like even though he
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  Speaker 1: was mysterious, he never let his mystery get in the
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  Speaker 1: way of his mentorship. He was always like wanting to
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  Speaker 1: give advice and you know, open up if you have
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  Speaker 1: any questions about the business. And didn't even charge me
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  Speaker 1: anything to be on my album.
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  Speaker 2: Give me the most. You have three pretty serious mentors, Prince, Puff, Daddy,
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Big Boy. Give me three lessons each of them of you.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, Prince is like obviously like the blueprint for you know,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: owning your you know, like as an artist, not being
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: afraid to fight for what you were old on the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: business side of things, and also creating a blueprint.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: That felt so free.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And you could do anything, you know, and just and
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: just also speaking with him, he just always reminded me
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: that musically there was nothing that I could not do.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: And I think with Puff, who has been a person
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of his word, you know, we have a partnership together.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: When he had first heard me and doing the science
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: fiction singing about that and you know, doing doing whatever
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do as an artist creatively, he always said, like,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I don't want to mess that up. I just want
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world to see what I saw.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: What I just saw tonight. I just want to help.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: So I called him at a really good time. And
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: you know, he's just always been an advocate for me.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: If I need to have like any busines in his conversations,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I can, I know I can call him and you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: listen to him as well.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: And then he just taught.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Me to just like be a fan of your own
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: ship too, you know, promote your stuff.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: If you love it, you promote your ship.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you worked hard, and I think with big Boy,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Big Boy was just I mean, I gotta give it
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to him. You know. The reason why Puffy even knew
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: about me was because of the work that Big Boy
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: gave to me. I was singing back up, I was
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: also on Idle Wild. You know, he was really really
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: promoting me with Purple Ribbon. He taught me the important stuff.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I think, staying with family, like staying with the people
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: for like a little little bit. Yeah, my, but I
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: always had my label, but I would do partnership. Yeah, yes,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: look at you. A lot of people do not remember kill.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: A Mike Scar This new album, when is it coming out?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I listened to it a couple of weeks ago. It's incredible,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest rappers of all time.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta listen to it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible. Who has the best parties? Prince or Diddy?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's so tough because both of them know how.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: To party, the legendary party different.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: It's different. I wonder if they I never went to
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: a party where they.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Did it together. The world. Yeah, it would explode, like Prince.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Party, man, because you're gonna get music from like both
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: of them are going to play the best music, have
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the most beautiful people there, good food. I don't know,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Princeville listen, I please, because it's good for different reasons,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: like for different reasons, so both both, I'll say both
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: like that.
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• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the interviews, it's obviously Pride month, and you are someone
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: who's a non binary person.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I think that we are in like a weird area
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of like education when it comes to like people kind
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: of being ignorant of what that means. And I think that, like,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: there are certain people who have a hard time adjusting
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to certain pronouns, and can you kind of just like
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: if because you are you? Also are you? She slash
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: hers one of your pronounces and then also.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: They them and free, ask motherfucker?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Free motherfucker is the most important one. Yes for you, though,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: like can you kind of? I feel like there should
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: be some etiquette out there for like people who are
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: still kind of adjusting, especially like in the hip hop world.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like this is all new, Like why it's
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: important to make sure you respect someone's pronounce?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, we are all here having
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: this earth human experience, and we want to be happy
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: in that and be happy in our identities. You know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: even if I have this saying embrace the things that
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: make you unique, even if it makes others uncomfortable.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And I just live by that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And my hope is that as we're having this earth experience,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: everybody can understand that we come from different walks of life.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Some people are a different evolutions and discoveries on who
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: they are. And just because you may not understand anything
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you shouldn't respect it, right. So, I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: think in terms of me being non binary, I think
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I was non binary a long time ago. I just
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: didn't have the language. And so that's it's important. That's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: why it's so important to even have certain words and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and and a community putting, you know, the words to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: how you're feeling. I mean, Prince said it best. I'm
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: not a woman, I'm not a man. I'm something that
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you'll never understand. And I always identify with that word,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: you know, with those words.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Prince might have been the first non binary polist.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Listen, So I feel all of me, you know, I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: feel I feel all of me. I honor all of me,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and I see my my spirit and and and me
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: outside of the binary constructs of I think that's what today.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't understand what it means. Right.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: It's they can google it, It's very definitely. It's it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: out it's out there, you know, the Google. As my
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: older older aunt will say.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I always tell people to like, if you're so wrapped
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: up on calling somebody the wrong thing because it makes
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you feel better, but it makes someone else feel bad
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: about themselves. Yeah, it's like, how much of an inconvenience
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: is it to like respect a word? Like you're not
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: asking somebody to like do anything crazy, like just call
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: somebody what they prefer to be called, because if you
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: if you don't, it could potentially, you know, make someone
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: feel bad.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, you know. Compassion. I think also
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: education is important, you know. I think once we get
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: more educated on what it means and you you really
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: have conversations with folks, you will realized you may have
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: more in common with them than you think. And yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: my hope is that That's why I love being That's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: why I love music, That's why I love art, That's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: why I love making it because what I'm able to do,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and what we're able to do is bring people together
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and have these conversations at concerts. You're learning different things,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and you know, and I love and happy pride. I
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: don't know when this is coming out, but this is June,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I love that we're also in a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: space where we're celebrating us unapologetically as you can see,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and sometimes that triggers and it has as we see
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: with the laws that are being made right now, it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: crazy against you know, my trans family and lgbtq I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: plus community being a part of that community. Imagine me
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: not having the platform that I have and having to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: sort of live in a small town and you know
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: everybody supports uh anti lgbt q I plus bills and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: anti you know, uh trans bills and even being black
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: right now, you know they're taking out black history in Florida,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, horrible, horrible person. So you know we have
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to It's serious, like respecting people's it all matters.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's funny too because they're like like I don't
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: want to say there because I don't like to I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: don't like to group anybody in. But a guy like
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the Scantists, for example, will scream about how everything's getting censored,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: like and everything's like cant culture. But then you're canceling
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: like yeah, like you know, like black history, like in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a state. It's kind of crazy. It's like, yeah, people
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: politicians are are crazy. You have Doughchi on the album,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: who's one of my favorite new artists. Obviously she's cool,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: she's incredible. She's from Canaba, Yes, she's a I did
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: radio in Tampa, so it's dope to see her doing
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: her thing.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: But she's too and she's.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Like very high level creative. Like I saw her when
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: she first signed with TD. She did like this like
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: industry performance and it was so crazy. What was it
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: like working with her all of that?
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Like we have kindred spirits and you know, I just
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: as soon as I heard her music, I loved her
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and I felt her spirit. And then when we met,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: she just told me how much of an inspiration I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: was to her, and watching me gave her, you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of confidence to just do her, you know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and you see that, you see that she is somebody
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: who's tapped in, you know, to her innovation and what
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: makes her unique. And I love that about her. And
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: it was beautiful. We were in the studio. We had
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: so much fun making phenomenal like that song. Because when
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I heard Persuasive, I was like, Oh I love this song.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I love it. And so when we got together when
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I was working on my project, I was like, oh,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you would be perfect for this sort of song. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't even tell her. I played her like five
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: songs and I didn't even tell her this is a
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: song I want you to be on.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: She heard phenomenal.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: She was like, she jumped up, say hey, so she's
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: she's just humble, creative, a beautiful person. She came over
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: last night to celebrate with me. Oh nice, Yeah she
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know she was coming. She surprised me.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So that's dope for you. Did you have any idea
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: that you were going to break Twitter when you flashed
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the crowd when perform, because you you own Twitter for
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: about a week.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, No, I did not.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I literally was at my friend's party, living my life
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: as I always do, and you know, I did not.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I was having a good time. I felt like I
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: was in a safe space, right, and that's it. I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: was honoring exactly how I was feeling.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So yeah, because like, did you, I mean, you had
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to have some sort of idea this is gonna be
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: on the internet a little bit.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I was very shocked that.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, after after I realized that there were so
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: many cameras, you know, because I try not to live
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: my life like I'm.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Janelle Mone, there are cameras.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Let me let me not yeah, and these and the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: party that I was at was the same party that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: inspired my album. So I know a lot of the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: people who were there, and you know, they've been to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: my place and we've created a safe space with everyday
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: people and with Wonderland and our parties, and so it
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: didn't really come out until like that video was older.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: It was old, so somebody was like, well, me, now capitalized,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and that's the world we live in. Let me capitalize.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Like it was, nobody posted anything safe space. And then
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: when they sort of saw I think my visual that
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I put out, they were like, oh, well, while we're here,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I saw her last you know, last week. But it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: all love, free the nipple, free the nipple. I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Rick Ross has freed his nipple. I support him.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: You're right about that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Di'angelo when he did Untitled, he was freed his nipple,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you know that from behind that piano and freed the nipple.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: You know, I can go on and on.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Times, right, DJ Kallet you know we support free the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: nipple right for all people.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I agree that it is a double standard that T shirt.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so so it helped.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: With the promotion because now everybody's like, I mean you
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: were trending.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, listen, I lived my life. I think
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I never think like, ooh, this is going to get
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: them talking. I'm having an earth experience and of honoring
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: all of me.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's all I can do.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Give me. If you're on an island stranded for three
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five days, you can only bring five
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: albums with you on an iPod.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Now stop it. First of all, an iPod. I have
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: not heard that word.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So you're not going to have Wi Fi island.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Here's your phone, so I have to use Well, my
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: iPod died though.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Though that's a okay, I don't know, right, Okay, it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: it's to keep it, keep.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: It there, going to be suage.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm definitely taking the age of pleasure because I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: know that we made that project to be on an island,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to be on an island to transport me and if
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I need a soundtrack to that, to to that that
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: experience that I want to have. Oh okay, I have
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to take some prints. So maybe I'll take Purple.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Rain all right, mm.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: He has so many albums. I gotta take some Stevie.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I gotta have some comfort.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Shout to Stevie.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Innervisions or Music of my Mind one of those. I
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: also would probably take just soundtrack. I would take mm
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: some Harold Bud. He has an album Harold Bud, which
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: is like it puts me in a super meditative space.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Oh god, this is tough. This is really really tough.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why I'm answering this. I just
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna be like, why didn't I say
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that album?
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: What else would I take? What else do I?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: What about? Give me a hip hop one?
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, maybe I might take.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Maybe I take the below.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, speaker Box club.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: That's a nice speaker box exactly.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: That would take that because that's like I remember wanting
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to make like music, like fun, creative. I remember that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that that helped me tap into to my own uniqueness.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Stevie Wonder. Uh, Stevie Wonders awfully obviously a
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: fan of yours. When you meet Stevie Wonder, what is
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that like? So like, I feel like he's got like
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: one of those people kind of like princes. They I
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: feel like they might have an aura you.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: See around them for sure, for sure, if Nora, but
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: also very funny, such a jokester, such a trickster, will
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: say whatever is on his mind. I'm like, you should
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: let people see more of this side of you, because
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: people do put he I mean, his music, it's like holy,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: you know, he's the blueprint for a lot of a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: lot of music. But just to like m He was
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: on my last project, Dirty Computer, and just I recorded
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: him talking. We had just a conversation and we were
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: just talking about all the heaviness.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: This is somebody who's.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Lived in multiple generations, you know, somebody who was here
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: pre integration and got a chance to usher in so revolutions,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you know, with his music, and he just has stories
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that nobody has, right.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: He probably does. There's not a lot of people who
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: are walking this earth through can tell stories like him.
• 34:30
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• 35:37
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I know I want to make
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  Speaker 1: something that I only dream of and I always want
• 36:13
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• 36:18
  Speaker 1: for the parties. That was it I said, tell my DJ,
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  Speaker 1: don't say it's me. I'm gonna make like two to
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  Speaker 2: to the interview. So you were testing out records in
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  Speaker 2: real time, Yeah, without anyone knowing.
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  Speaker 1: That's what was yeah on without people knowing. And I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: was just in the corner with a drink, like, oh yeah.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And then that's I tested all my songs float, Water, Slide,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you know, Champagne, shit, Lipstick, Lover, just like that, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just it feels really good to be able to
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: sort of have it out because I've been living with
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it for so long, me and my friend.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a great way to like it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's the same way like when people go try to
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  Speaker 2: like they're in Atlanta, they go to the strip club
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  Speaker 2: and to try to test the record. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like you want to see how people react.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: In time because the right people.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I got super specific about that too, because oftentimes we're
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: like we want everybody, and I was like, no, let
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: me get specific. If my friends fuck with it, yes.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, And it's like a genuine reaction if they
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  Speaker 2: don't know what it is or know that it's you.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly, You'll be able to see like an unbiased Yeah, exactly,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: that's pretty great.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: How many songs didn't get you Zamed?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe a couple, you know, we will not
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: talk about them. We'll develop those and maybe they'll become something.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: But I'm so proud of what we've been able to do.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: And shout out to Nate Rocket Wonder and since A
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Bueno and Nana Quapina. They were with me providing that
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: safe space you know, as I you know, evolve, it's
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it's a you, and they kept the fun in it
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: because I was like, I have to make sure that
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: when I'm in the studio, I'm not overthinking, I'm not
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: thinking about everybody. I'm getting specific and I'm having a
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: good time. You know, the journey is just as important
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: as the result.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I was going to say when you record, because like
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: you know, you hear like certain artists just have like
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: hard drives of just unreleased music, and then there's other
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: artists who are very specific and intentional when they record
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: music and they take a little bit more time. Do
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you like, how big is the pull up music you're
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: pulling from to pick to put on the album?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't have like ooh, I did twenty songs. Like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I knew the sounds, right, I knew like what I want.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I knew float. I wanted that to be sort of
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the cornerstone, the entry point into the album. I knew
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I wanted the sounds to be super horny. This is
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the age of pleasure. I knew that I wanted to,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: you know, because we were listening to afrobeats at the parties.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: We were listening to reggae Caribbean, we were listening to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Ama Piano. We were listening to all of that, so
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: that naturally seeped over.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: To the sounds.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So once I knew the musical bed, I then would
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: take themes like Lipstick Lover, for instance, that's really really
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: really my life, you know, being the person either put
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: lipstick on somebody's neck or somebody put lipstick on my neck.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And I was like, that's a song. I looked in
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the mirror, saw the Red Prince.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: That's a song.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: That's a song.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: You write about those things that happened. So once I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: got specific about again who it was for, how I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: wanted people to feel, it was easy.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It was like water, so you'll go from just an
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: idea of like looking in the mirror seeing lipstick and
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: be like, okay, yeah, there's a song I gotta make.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Oh well, speaking of instead of doing twenty fifty songs,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I actually have a spreadsheet where I wrote down fifty concepts,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: oh between fifty and eighty concepts.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: So it'll be like a spreadsheet of like ideas like that. Yeah,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: you'd be like, you know what, I feel like I
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: can go somewhere with this.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like ooh, you know, she kissed me on my
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: neck lipstick prints. I got to write about that, you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I would just things that happened at the party. I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: like the way that I saw him look at her.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: You know that's that's a line, like I'm just going
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: watching everything. And you know, as Nina Simone would say,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: an artist's job is to reflect the times.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: And a time was had.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: The time was had, it was. I mean, you've learned
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: from the best. Yeah, Prince and Puffy, what are we
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: talking about?
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, we talk about Grace Jones though, Let's talk about
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the women.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Grace Jones is on this project. Yeah, I mean she
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: taught me so much, you know, even as I'm on
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: my own journey of honoring all of me. You know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: she's done a lot of what I've already done in
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: her own way, and so it was just great to
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: have her in the studio. I spent seventy two hours
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: with her. Wow, and she recorded a lot of stuff.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: And so you have her on there speaking French, you
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: have nia Along.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask the n Along that's on the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: album is the nia Along me alone?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Oh? Ni Along the one and the ni Alone? Yeah,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: she came over over and recorded and she always like
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: she's amazing.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean obviously shout out to Friday, you.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah exactly. That helped and boys in.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: The hood, I mean she's yeah, she's one of them.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: She is when you're growing up.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one of the leaders. Yeah for me too.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: That's how I knew. I was like, oh, I'm definitely queer. Yeah,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: ne A long as my girlfriend.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: So did ne Along. Was she the one who made
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you realize you attracted the women?
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Definitely was the first. I don't know, maybe not the first,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: but she confirmed it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Son Along confirmed I could get down with checks for sure.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: For me. Yeah, when I saw her, I was like,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: but then I didn't know if I wanted to be
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: her or be with her. She's one of those people
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: where you look at her and you're like, I want
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to be just like that. And obviously I am inspired
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: by her.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And which movie was it that you saw her in?
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: It made you be like.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Jesus boys in the hood.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: And then love Jones for sure, I mean, come on,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: you know, but I'm so happy to have her as
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: a friend and you know, like a big sister. And
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you know, even went down to when I was releasing
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: my press photos. Before I released them, she you know,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I let her see them and she was like, oh
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you should you should release that, like this is the
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: one you coming out the water like this is it?
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: So there were a lot of wonderful women from Doci
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: to am Marae to Grace to Nia to Sister Nancy.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Which is dope to I was gonna say, it's also
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: dope to see Sister Nancy because obviously Sister.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Nancy's oh jo g let's talk about.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Og in the reggae world, like, man, like what is
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the Like, how do you get a hold of Sister Nancy?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I just reached out, Like who do you reach out to?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I just have my I had somebody on my team
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: who knew her nephew, and then we got in touch
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: with her. And when I got on the phone with her,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: she knew a lot about me and I was like, what,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I love you, and I just her story is so cool.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: You know her during the time that she came up,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: reggae DJ's were not for women. Reggae dj specifically women
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: who DJ during that era were not really accepted, you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: they were told Her family told her to go do this,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you need to be doing this, and she was like, no,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do. And now you can't
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: go to a house party or a reggae or party
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: in general without playing Bomba.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say. She was one of also, like
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: one of the most sampled songs ever ever.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah you can.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: And so to get her to do some original stuff
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: was just like just the dream come true, you know.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, well, the body of work is out, Yes,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: go stream it, go download, and go buy it. I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: sure you got some crazy merch. Is it out?
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, merch? Go to JMA dot com.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I need tours on the way tour.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'll be touring the end of August through the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: middle of October.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: We are.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: We are all North American tours right, tour stops now, and.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I haven't announced Europe yet.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Are Do you know who you're taking on the road
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: with you.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm still picking because I'm going to do some opening
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: acts in different markets, all the people that I love.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yet I think Jideo may do some dates as well,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: so it'll be great. It's gonna feels it's a movement, movement.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: The theaters are TV screen soon that that you have
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: in the in the pipeline.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm working on a TV show about the Josephine Baker,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: who was also an inspiration is also an inspiration for
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: me in her time as a spy during the French resistance.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know, like they see the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: banana skirt and you know, obviously she was super liberated
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and she had moved to France because America wouldn't even
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: let her perform in some of the clubs.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm not even I don't know who that is.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: You don't know who.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Josephine Baker, Oh my god, like the freest spirit, you know,
• 47:55
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  Speaker 3: While being a.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Specially are you playing her?
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to play her, So I'm excited. I'm ready. Yeah,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be great.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Have you as a streaming network?
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're partnering with A twenty four.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: A twenty four they did, they do and uncut Gems
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and yes, by the way, Moonlight one of my favorite movies,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: like ever, such an incredible movie.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: My first movie was that, Like did.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: You understand like being in that movie? How one? It
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: obviously was critically acclaimed, but it also felt like a
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: very important step in the kind of just like normalizing
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: like being gay kind of like in the urban community
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: a little absolutely, like did you realize that when you
• 48:46
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• 48:47
  Speaker 1: When I read the script, you know, it just brought
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: tears to my eyes just thinking about how so many
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: people were going to be seen that that probably would
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  Speaker 1: never have imagined anybody telling their story, you know, from
• 49:00
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  Speaker 1: south around the world, like little black boys would would
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• 49:13
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• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the number of people that come up and like, because
• 49:17
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• 49:22
  Speaker 1: be supportive to my younger you know, sibling or cousin
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: or you know, younger person in my life. And so yeah,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was gonna It just meant
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: something to me, and so I'm happy it meant something
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: to a lot of other people because there right, yeah, yeah,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I got yeah film a movie, movie of the year
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: or what do you call it? Is it? And the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: war goes to Best Picture. Yeah that was a whole debacle.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: But we don't even go into that because remember they
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: called somebody else and then we.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Had to go up and get them off. Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get one of those at home.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: No, unfortunately.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: But you know, I always wonder how that works, because
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: It's in my heart. I don't know.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to start giving like engineers and people.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Like as they should.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you're in the movie.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Come on oscars, send me my the writer and the director,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the director.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think the producer. I don't know, I need
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