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The Greatest Trilogy of All Movies — Intentionally Blank Ep. 255 · Intentionally Blank

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: So, how annoyed are people going to be that they've got three weeks in a row of us talking about movie trilogies?
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_02: Hopefully there is something in between.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: How many of the comments will be complaining about this?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: And how many of the comments?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think most of the comments will be talking about our choices.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there will be a couple of comments way at the bottom that's like I think actually most of the people who are really sick of us talking about movies are just not going to comment.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to Yeah, they're just not going to watch this episode.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're just not going to watch the episode.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: So these might be really low viewership episodes, but that's those of you who tuned in know that I'm getting your Skyward books signed.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: You can feel confident that the podcast is continuing and I am signing books as I am supposed to do.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: And you can rest easy, know that Dan's doing his job keeping me entertained as I do this mind-numbly boring job.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'll also say in our big three-episode marathon, I've maintained my voice fairly well.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that it was going to drop out harder than it had.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: But we have some good ones.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: So if you want a preview, we have Evil Dead in here.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: We have Toy Story in here.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: We have Mad Max.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you may want to hang out.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: There's going to be some good stuff.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk poorly about movies in a way that'll enrage you.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: What's next?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Toy Story is funny and not brought up.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're starting with three Toy Story.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Toy Story is one where my brother would tell you that the third is the strongest one.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: That they get better over time.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: Number two, in my opinion, is the best.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Not a bad film in that group, though.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: Even three is very good.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and it hangs together.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: Four is the bad one, right?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: Four is pretty bad.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: Four is pretty bad.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need a fifth.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: But three is like it completes the trilogy.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: One, you know, new toy comes on.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_02: Two, you know, like this whole escalation.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_02: He's a teenager.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: Three, we find somebody new.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: The cycle continues.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't think he's a teenager yet in two.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it is, you know, it expands the world significantly.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: He's not quite a teenager yet.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: But isn't two where he leaves Woody behind?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, two.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Two is when he's a collectible.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Three is when he gets left behind.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: He's a collectible.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: He's a collectible.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: They're doing a yard sale.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yard sale.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yard sale.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: But no, I swear.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: No, two.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of three is where he gets all the toys back from the preschool and he takes them to the little girl.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: But the opening of two is where he saves the little squeaky toy.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he saves he saves the penguin.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, save the penguin.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_02: But then he falls in instead.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're right.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're right.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't get left behind.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: Where is it?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: He rips his arm.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's on his way out.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_02: So from the yard sale, he gets ripped.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: So it is.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: It is true where he leaves him behind.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: He leaves Woody behind.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: Accidentally.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: Woody gets accidentally sold.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: He gets napped, doesn't he?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: But his arm gets ripped and he's like, I need to leave Woody behind.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's a that's like a nightmare sequence Woody has.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um where Andy says I don't want to put in a view with you anymore.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's the first movie.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's the first movie.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_02: I know that.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_02: But he does get his arm ripped.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: His arm gets ripped off as he's being taken away by the S gets sewn back on and it's buffer, and Bo Peep's like, ooh, it's buffer.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: So all right.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I'm gonna stick it in S.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he can go anywhere else respectfully.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put it in S too, and I'm gonna put it struggling above.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: Is it an S for you, Dan?
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a it is an S and it's above aliens.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think I'm gonna put it above Bourne.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: I am gonna put it above Steve Rogers, Captain America.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: But not above The Godfather.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I want our audience to know because they can't actually see the graphics that Donald has created.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: He's gonna put it in the city.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: But he spelled Captain wrong in Captain America.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: Look, I was on I had to be rushed, alright?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: I was typing fast.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: We'll make sure that we do hope that these graphics will eventually be available.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: We will make sure all of you can see them.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Don't worry.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: But you don't want to go look at it immediately because otherwise it'll spoil everything.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: We will hopefully have one at the end of each episode in next episode.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, it'll be with the episode.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: Just don't look.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: Just don't look till the end.
• 4:12
  unknown: All right.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: All right, what's next?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, next we have Toby Maguire Spider-Man trilogy.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh, baby.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: We've done a lot of the current MCU.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: I thought we'd pull back and see what the old one's like.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing Spider-Man 2 with Toby Maguire is next to the Dark Knight as my two favorite superhero movies of all time.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think that those are mad at me.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's all time great.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna get mad at me.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you just said that here's the thing.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: Here's another thing.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think Toby Maguire is a good Spider-Man.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: He just doesn't.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I think Mary Jane is really miscast in those films.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: That I'll agree with.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I can't buy their romance ever.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: Toby Maguire is a fantastic actor, but he's so weepy and so mopey and so not the character of Spider-Man that I know from reading Spider-Man comics.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not a big comic side, but I've read enough of them that he's just not a great Spider-Man.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: And that looms over it.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Even though Alfred Molina does a fantastic job, and even though the action sequences are revolutionary for their time, and it is a very strong film, like Toby Aguire is just not a great Spider-Man.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, guys.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's better than you think he is.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I think of the three modern live-action Spider-Man, he's the weakest.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: He is the weakest.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: But they're still good films.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: Three is bad, but that's not Sam Raimi's fault.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's the fault of putting Venom in this movie because Sandman was such a great villain.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sandman would have been so good as a standalone villain.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: But we have to judge it as a trilogy, and as a trilogy, it kind of fails a little bit.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: As a trilogy, it falls apart because Three is a genuinely bad movie.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_02: But as a concept for Harry's arc, Three does hold up.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like gives a nice arc to Harry Osborne and whatnot.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'll put it in B.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, internet.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: I know this is one that you're gonna hate.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: It is uh yeah, I think it's as strong as the Born Films and How to Train Your Dragon.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is a B.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think three, like some of the scenes that people think are bad in three are not as bad as people say.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like the scene where he's all emo and stuff is really cringe, but it's supposed to be.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: In context, it's a fun scene because you're you're like, you have no idea how to be cool, and that's the joke, and it's very Sam Raimi.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, B for me, kids.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put it B as well, and I will put it above Matrix, but below Nolan Batman.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna get yelled at for putting in B, and everyone's gonna be like, with you, they're like, oh, we're glad he at least put it in B.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Michael Bay tier called Dan Just Wants to Piss You Off, and I'll put all your favorite movies in it.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so what'd you say?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: The Michael Bay Transformers.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Bay Transformers.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: D.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: None of these are great movies.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: The first one is good.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't think the first one's good.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think the first one is good.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: I will say it is a good movie.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Especially if you view it as Megan Fox is the lead character, because she actually has a really good arc in it.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Where Shia LaBeouf doesn't.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: But it sure doesn't treat her like a main character.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, treats her like eye candy because it's Matt Bay.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's an easy D.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: But wear in D.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's below Star Wars prequels.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: Oh okay.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: Same for you, Brandon.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: I assume.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't think any of them are great movies.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't watch the first one again if you offered to let me watch it.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_02: I would rather do nothing, you know.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: I have no need to watch any of them again.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: Now when I we're putting this in D and things like this, you argue kind of to me in the first one, though you didn't say it.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: Is that this is in the frame of reference of how we're like are these D's in that they're two out of ten films?
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, they're probably like fours or fives.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: But in the context of what we're doing here, we don't have a lot of ones and twos.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't know.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is it better than the Star Wars prequels?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: You think Transformers is?
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: They're competently made films.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: The Star Wars prequels are not competently made films.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's the problem with the Star Wars prequels.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: Michael Bake at least is able to follow the formula and is able to give you minimal character arcs.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's able to make scenes that make sense.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: You are correct.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think I still am gonna put them below the prequels.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because if forced, I would rewatch the prequels before I would rewatch.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I would too.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: But that comes to the because the prequels have gotten bad enough that they're in my negative scale a little bit, and they are funny, bad.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas Transformers movies are boring badly boring bad.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, what's next?
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: They might just be twos and threes, actually.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they're ones, but anyway.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: Ant-M.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_02: Ant-Man trilogy.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I liked the first one.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I didn't love it.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: I thought the second one was boring.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought the third one was a disaster.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: Third one is a fun disaster.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny bad.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: So true disaster.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like below a one out of ten.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like absolute true disaster.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: It is definitely disaster.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: A movie that I think I would enjoy watching it with you while we make fun of it.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Bad movie night, bad.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: When I watched it just normally, I was I and that's a problem.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Wasted my time.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was angry at the directors.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: If you make bad movie bad by yourself, you know, it's just an awful experience.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: And so I like movie two quite a bit.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, I think Ghost is an interesting villain.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: Really works for Ant-Man to have a sympathetic villain where one doesn't have as good a sympathetic villain.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think one part of what makes one work is like there's a normal guy who's got some kind of superpower stuff, but he's trying to do normal guy stuff.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: And that makes one and two both work pretty well.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think the acting is solid in all of them, both the first two.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say it's passable.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'll say it's solid.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing about one, and I suppose you can apply this to two as well.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was heralded as the comedy MCU movie.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like we've done all these different genres.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're gonna do a comedy.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it kind of fits into that role.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's more a funny heist.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: But there is It's not a comedy.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: You stack it up against other non-MCU comedies, yeah, and it is not anywhere in that.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Michael Pina, is that how you say it's Michael Pinha Pena is hilarious in both of those movies.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: And Paul Rudd's fine.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: I like him.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then Randall Park is great.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Randall Park, I love.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Even the little girl's stepdad, he was great.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: He's great.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: The little girl is good in them.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: She's cute and she acts well.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think that I have to put these in B.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: I think a lot of people would put them in C.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: If the third one were as good as the others, I would actually put it in A.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not that's crazy to me.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but it is at the bottom of B.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: It is definitely below the Toby McGuire uh Spider-Man trilogy.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um I really didn't like two, and I'm surprised to hear that you did.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like the characters were so underdeveloped that I never really had sympathy for Ghost.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: Wasp never felt like a real person to me.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm actually gonna put this in D.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I know.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's where where most people put it.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put it just below Jurassic Park.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: I every time I watch one of those.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, two and three are so bad.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: One is so good, and two or three are so bad.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: Two is not bad.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: Two really isn't that bad.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: You can move it.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Three is just a generic monster film.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's not like put Jurassic Park up.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, into C.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's at the end of C, but I am gonna bump it up because I feel guilty every time I see it.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: You should feel guilty about Ant-Man.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: They're fun films.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: They're what the MCU needed to do more of.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_02: The problem with three is that they're like, well, all of our films have to be giant world-ending epics.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, some of them can just be goofy Ant-Man and his friends are trying to not get arrested and turn their lives and make them, you know, live straight.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: And life messes with them.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: And Pim is a jerk and he messes up their lives, and yeah, they're just they're just what the MCU needed more of.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: I I agree the MCU needed smaller stories.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like all three of the Ant-Man stories are fairly weak.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, what's next?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is the Evil Dead trilogy.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: I am gonna recuse myself from this.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: I have only seen Army of the Dead, and that's because Brandon showed it to me in college.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Army of Darkness.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Army of Darkness.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: So Evil Dead is a fantastic trilogy.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: So there are trilogies that hang together because they're fulfilling a character arc.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: Then there are trilogies where each trilogy tries to do something new and interesting, right?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: And we've seen multiple on here that the first one did something and the second something did something new and interesting, and the third was unable to, right?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like Evil Dead one's a straight-up horror film.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: Evil Dead 2 is a comedy.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a Looney Tunes film where people die.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it's mostly just Ash in a room with almost nobody else going crazy.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: And it's really cool how they do it.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Come to saying the budget.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: Three is like, hey, we actually have a budget now.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_02: Let's make an epic fantasy film with Ash as the main character.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_02: Three is the weakest, even though I the parts of three I like the most, I like the best.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's just the middle of three has a bunch of we ran out of our budget.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_02: We spent it on cool action scenes with things.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so we're gonna make Evil Dead 2 again for a little while, and then we're gonna come back and make Evil Dead 3.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: There's just some Ash in the forest by himself being goofy.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: And it's an excellent trilogy.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: I uh it's a tough pick.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know where I'd put it either, honestly.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: It definitely was influential.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: It holds together.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's S.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: You okay.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: Evil Dead is S.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: Even with the third one being weak.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: Here's my arguments.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: I have to bump it up by being cohesive in a really interesting way.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: I have to bump it up by influence over the industry.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: It is hugely influential to a lot of people.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: The third one isn't the strongest.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't get that bump up, but if the third one were strongest, like it would go toe-to-toe with any of these others.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: The Evilhead trilogy is the strong a trilogy as the Captain America trilogy.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: Captain Mill trilogy has two great films and one medium great film that half of it's great.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: Same for Evil Dead.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: I can't put it anywhere but S.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds good to me.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: This is my makeup to Sam Raimi for putting his Spider-Man trilogy all the way down in B.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: And Donald, make sure that you eventually create a category where we just don't have an opinion.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: It is, they will be in the non-opinion section.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you leave Evil Dead in F for me, people are gonna string me up.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: What do we got?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Austin Powers trilogy.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Austin Powers.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Austin Powers.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Three solid films.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Little repetitive.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: The third one is the weakest.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: But it's I it's still funny.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely not everyone's cup of tea.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Like I've never shown them to Emily.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: I do not think Emily would appreciate the brand of humor unless it were really late at night and she were really tired.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: But like doing nothing revolutionary, but doing it well, B.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I will almost say that the first Austin Powers was kind of revolutionary.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even our first spy comedy, though, right?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like Top Secret is.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: We'd had spy comedies before.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: The same style, right?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Top Secret is the same film.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, I would not say that.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's not because Top Secret plays it straight and he doesn't.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: What they're doing with Austin Powers is a very specific James Bond parody.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: But changing him to this like swinging hippie guy, which is such a weird choice, and I have to love it for that reason.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put it in B and I'm gonna put it.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm gonna put it in A.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of A.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're all good films.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's just I don't feel like each subsequent film adds anything.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think, like, if we look at impact on the market, it didn't have an impact.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: There weren't further films.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: It was the end of an era rather than the beginning of era.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: It did take the Zucker Zucker Abrams, or is it Abrams, Abrams, Zucker?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: The airplane police squad formula, and it didn't do that.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: It did a new type of parody.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'll agree with you that it did that.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: But each film just has the same jokes, but they just do something different with them, and they're still funny.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like it's bad because but they just kind of do the same jokes over and over again.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: They just maybe escalate them a little bit.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think you've talked me into a B.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Let's put this in B, but let's put it in between Matrix and Iron Man.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you would put Austin Powers above the Nolan Batman trilogy, then that's insane.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Two second question.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious since we're talking spy comedies.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Does Skyfall Spectre and No Time to Die count as a trilogy?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Or does Quantum and Casino pull it down to a five?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can't make a cohesive trilogy out of those films.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: Especially because Quantum is such a direct sequel to Casino Royale.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't work.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: There's just no way to make a trilogy out of those.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like we didn't put on the Mission Impossible movies.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, for purpose.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_02: For a purpose.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like some of these that have another one, you can make a cohesive trilogy out of them, either through there was a lot of time before the fourth one, or there's something the first three are doing that the later ones don't.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like Born really does feel like a trilogy, even though there's lots more.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very solid trilogy with a good conclusion.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then they have then they made two more movies.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Same with Toy Story.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas like Mission Impossible, um, they're just a bunch of movies in a series.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: The Blade trilogy.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Blade.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Blade.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know you don't like these as much as I do.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know if that's true.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because I really love Blade.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I really love Blade 2.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: And Blade 3 is really funny.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's I don't think it's a good Blade movie, but it's so funny.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one where he won't wake up, right?
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Where he won't open his eyes.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And Blade is in it.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's hilarious.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Three is bad movie, fun.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: Camp like and things.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, but also we do owe a lot to the Blade trilogy.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't think we'd have gotten X-Men or Spider-Man if Blade hadn't been a successful.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: I do think Blade is the first of the modern superhero movies.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it took a while and it took some other entries before superheroes took over everything.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't put the Batman ones?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I'd put the modern superheroes.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if we can call those modern because they started coming out in the 80s.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's modern to me.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was 40 years ago.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I mean these started coming out in the 90s.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: They're five years later.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good you could even make an argument for Christopher Viv's Superman being the first modern one.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because you you've got the old black and white serial.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, but that's the advent of the modern blockbuster, right?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Star Wars is a modern film.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think the dividing line is the 70s.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: I see them as there were some superhero movies.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then Blade made people take superheroes seriously in a way they hadn't before.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_02: I think they did that on Batman.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Tim Burton's Batman.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: Huge blockbuster, made more than Blade did, launched multiple careers.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: So that's a different discussion.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: Where do we actually put Blade?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Quality-wise, quality-wise of the films without rose-colored glasses.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, two is Guillermo del Toro going ham with horror.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it is a high quality movie.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it is.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: But one is campy, and three is more campy.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_02: I have to put it in a fond C.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: I have to put it in a fond.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean I have Terminator and C.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, okay.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good point.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_02: I have Terminator as a trilogy in C.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: Blade.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like the third movie is not.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: I have to put Blade in C.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: But it's a really fond C internet.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very fond of it.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put it in C as well.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I want you to know that How to Train Your Dragon and Jurassic Park are better movies than anything in the Blade trilogy.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: But as a trilogy, Blade beats them and goes just below Ocean's 11.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'll move Blade above JJ Abrams Star Trek.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: Again, not in quality of the JJ Abram.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Even the weak J.J.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Agents film is probably well, the good Blade film is Blade 2 is even Blade 3, I think is more enjoyable.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Than Star Trek 2.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, agreed.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: But it's that camp that's doing it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: The animated Cars trilogy.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: One good movie, one boring movie, and then Cars 2, which is my favorite of the three.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Three is boring to you?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Three is so boring.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: I thought three is really didn't like three.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: Weird, because three is strong.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Three's the, I think, objectively strongest one of the trilogy.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Over one?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_02: One is so here's let's let's talk about this.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: One is a fantastic movie for a six-year-old.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because the six-year-old thinks that they want to just watch a car racing all the time, but really they would get bored of that.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so going to the small town and having fun hijinks with Nader and learning the heartwarming lesson that having friends is more important than winning races.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great message for a six-year-old.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: The ending of cars is legit spectacular for anyone.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Watching Lightning the Queen slow down and go save, you know, and push, like great.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: But most of the movie is boring for an adult.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Just straight up boring.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: The action scenes are not that interesting for an adult.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: And watching him go cow tipping is not interesting for an adult.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: So Cars is this movie that as an adult I can appreciate for my kids.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not like the previous, every other movie that Pixar had made.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's the first one that was only for kids for me.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: But it is like a 10 out of 10 for kids.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like a six out of 10 for me.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's fair.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's a fair, yeah.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Two is better for adults, but way worse for kids.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason I turned against two, as we've talked about, is it made my kids cry.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're going to make one as the this is the Pixar series for your six-year-old, making one that I can't take my six-year-old to is a terrible idea.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Three is objectively, I think, the strongest movie.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: But is three good for kids?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: My kids didn't get into it because the entire emotional arc is an old man at the end of his life passing the torch to a younger race.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: But they gave that up in two.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so now it's like we're just making a Pixar film.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: And by then my kids are old enough that maybe watching Lightning McQueen have a different sort of arc.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_02: I have to go to a different stage of life.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think three is a good movie.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: It is if you're going to do the hero retires and gets replaced by a younger person, three is an example of how to do it well.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: I will accept that argument.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be clear that I think two is my favorite one.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: It is not a good movie.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: It is a ridiculous and stupid movie.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: But it is the one of the three that showed me cool things I hadn't seen before and that felt like it was respecting my time in that there was never a cow tipping scene.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's a good idea.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: There was never a saddled car scene.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think Maters funny either.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think Made or I don't think he's funny.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just go watch The Man Who Knew Too Little.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: They just made a worse version of a great film.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so Cars for me has to go in D.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_02: Highest of the D.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh, the third movie is good, but Sirius does not know what it wants to be.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: No, it is not a good trilogy.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: Three is a better movie than anything in D, but the trilogy is a D.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: It has no idea what it wants to do.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: It has one of the worst, like it was the first Pixar film, the first one that people went to and said, Oh, it's all right.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's the end of an era, right?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: Pixar was hit, hit, hit, hit, hit cars.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and a lot of it is just John Lassiter is a car guy.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so most of Cars One was look how pretty these cars are.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that does nothing for me.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put it in D as well, but I'm not sure where.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Does it go above or below Ant-Man?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's below personally, but this is your list.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, Dan.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: We got it in Miss.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to put it above Ant Man.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: Above Ant-Man.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Above Ant Man.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Next one, the Dollars Trilogy.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Will you guys say what the Dollars Trilogy is?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Dollars Trilogy is Spaghetti Westerns.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: With Clint Eastwood.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: It is a fistful of dollars, a few dollars more, and the good, the bad, and the ugly.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: They are What?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: The third one's the best.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: The third one is the best.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there you go.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Does that mean you put it in S?
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'll put it in S, but the third one's the best.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's the first time.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: The first time you've had one.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I've had one.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: That the third one's the best.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: The third one is definitely the best.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put it in A.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'll put it in A also.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that I'm going to put it at the top of A.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not putting it at the top of A.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: I will put it above Pirates, but not above Iron Man.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: So.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: So to be clear to those who don't have the graphic, I've just placed the Dollars trilogy above the Godfather trilogy.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Which I was going to say, you called it up before I could, which is kind of crazy.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: I am a Westerns guy.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: I love Westerns.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: The Dollars trilogy aren't even my favorite Westerns.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: They're good, but they are empirically wonderful movies.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: And Sergio Leone is a fantastic director.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: And watching what he does with the Dollars trilogy is just so good.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: What's my favorite Western?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: It is a real close tie.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love Searchers with John Wayne.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: I love Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I would also put the modern 310 to Yuma with Russian bill.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't seen that one, so I'll put that on my list.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Brands, you gotta watch 310 to Yuma, just so we can talk about it on the podcast.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's amazing.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't seen enough of the classic ones, right?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen The Unforgiven, which I think is great.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen what's it called?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: Tombstone?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen some of these ones that came out in the I need to re-watch Tombstone because I I worry I'm undervaluing it.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, we don't have time there.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, knives out Knives Out trilogy.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: As a trilogy, I mean, there is not a cohesive story from one to the other.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, there is not.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: They're just three movies about the same character.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Third one is the best.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Third one is the best.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Wake Up Dead Man is the best.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: I wish that it had had more humor in it.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: I missed all of the humor that was in the first two.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: But we got all the humor in the second one.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: It just got sucked into the second one because the second one's a comedy.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're each doing something different.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because the first one has that cool structure, right?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Structurally very interesting.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's a cat and mouse smashed in the middle of a traditional mystery.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Second one is a straight up comedy.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's not supposed to be taken as seriously.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: The characters are funny.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Third one is a just uh, hey, we're gonna make an Agatha Christie style murder mystery.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: We're just gonna do the best job we possibly can.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: One of the best mystery movies I have ever seen.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: S tier.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: S tier.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'll put it.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: S tier.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Ryan Johnson, you did it.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put it in S as well.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that Glass Onion deserves to be an S tier, but I do think the other two are good enough to carry Glass Onion.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: All three, all of the ones in S tier have a weaker movie.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: Except Lord of the Rings.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think Lord of the Rings does, and I don't think Indiana Jones.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we've got three S books.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the Bourne movies up there.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they've got a weaker movie.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: So, but all right.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_02: Knives Out goes in there.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put it above Toy Story.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put it right below Godfather.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Same thing.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put it above Toy Story and below Bourne.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Already.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm gonna put it above Bourne.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Can we celebrate Ryan Johnson having a film in our S tier?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: And having a film in S.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: And having the only film for me in F that he has managed to simultaneously be with Spielberg and with Godfather.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh oh, uh shoot.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say Scortenzi, but it's Coppola.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: With Coppola and Spielberg and Lucas for making trilogies, and it gets to be an F as well.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's an accomplishment.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's actually, I want to say that in a way that's not silly.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: The reason his film, his Star Wars film, was an F because he swing for the fences.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: And when you swing for the fences, you're more likely to get an F than you are a C.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so I have come to very much appreciate the film of his that I hate for him swinging for the fences.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: So all right.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Now our next one, this is the Mad Max trilogy.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Which is does not include Fury Road, which is the best one of the three.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: But all three of the originals are fantastic.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_02: It does include Road Warrior, which is a completely different film.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: From uh Thundome.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: All three.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mad Max is different from Road Warrior, is different from Thunderdome.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I thought Mad Max.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're right.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: Mad Max is just the name of the first one.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Road Warrior is the sad.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: In my head, I was thinking Mad Max is the Road Warrior, but no.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to put these in S.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Are you?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: I love Mad Max so much.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: I can't.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: They are goofy.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: They are soaking is incredible.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, one of them is incredibly comic.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: The first one is incredibly sad.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: It is post-apocalyptic, but the apocalypse was basically we ran out of resources, and so society is still there.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's just slowly dying.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone's depressed all the time.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's very you.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love all three of these.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm spiritually including Fury Road in this trilogy.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going B.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: B.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: You don't love Thunderdome as much as I do.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: Thunderdome is so campy.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I've got a weird relationship with these early epic science fiction fantasy films like Beyond Thunderdome.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: Where as a kid I watched them and I wanted Lord of the Rings trilogy.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: And instead, I got something that didn't have the budget and so had to lean into Lord Humongous instead.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a part of my heart that broke when I watched these movies making fun of themselves because they couldn't be cool.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: They had to be camp.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a part of me that I recognize, but then I watched, and I think maybe if I hadn't watched Fury Road, it would be higher.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: But then I watched Fury Road and I say, if he had been able to do that, he would have in all three, particularly the second and third one, he would have done that.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: And the camp transcends and becomes just incredible because the special effects can live up to it and they don't have to undercut themselves and act silly.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: See, and I look at all of them as Fury Road.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was making the movie he wanted to make with the budget he had at the time.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, they all work really well.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think Thunderdome is making fun of itself.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is self-indulgent in its silliness.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: But so is Fury Road.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: But the world building that Miller does is just so cool to me.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't work for me the way I wanted to till Fury Road, and so I have to put it in B.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that is fair.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: But it can go above Austin Powers and Ant-Man.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Alrighty.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Is bottom of your list Mad Max for S Mad Max.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm happy with it being bottom of S.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: X-Men.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: X-Men trilogy.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is the Fox X-Men trilogy.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is the original Brian Singer's.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: How much of a knock does it take by being made by Brian Singer?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: By knowing it was behind the scenes creepiness.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: It gave us Hugh Jackman Wolverine.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Did.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: As a last minute replacement.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: It gave us Patrick Stewart.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the casting I think across the board is phenomenal.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Three is bad.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Two is actually bad.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Two is incredible.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: And one is still very good.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Except for one really bad line.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's such a good line.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone knows which line we're talking about, so we're not gonna say it.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that is one of the most badass lines.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think that even later, like Days of Future Past is a phenomenal one that's not part of this trilogy.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: I still think X2 is better.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna uh I feel like they should be in B.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: Three is so bad that I have to put it in B.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put it in B and I'm gonna put it just below Toby Maguire Spider-Man.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna put it above Toby Maguire.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Spider-Man.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: That seems very fair.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: Three for both of them is pretty bad.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: X-Men's three is worse, but I honestly think X-2 is better than Spider-Man 2.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it just comes down to that casting.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like Spider-Man 2 is an excellent film with a lead that just doesn't work as Spider-Man and a Mary Jane that doesn't work as a Mary Jane.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: In X2, you have every character cast so wonderfully.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they squandered Marsden as Cyclops.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: They did.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: He was well cast, but poorly written.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, last but not least, the Die Hard trilogy.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: Die Hard.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Man.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: All three of these are bangers.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_02: They are bangers.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: One is on a level completely different from the others.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: Because of its impact on the industry.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh also because I think the script is so tied.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_02: I've often said I think Die Hard is the best written script I've ever read.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: Just I don't think there's a better script.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: I want to put Die Hard in S.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: Should I?
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: Let me look at S.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put it in S.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put it just above Mad Max.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: I am not, I'm gonna put it at the top of A.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Top of A.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: Top of A.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Die Hard itself is one of the best scripts ever.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone in A has at least an excellent film and no really bad films.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: That feels right to me.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: S is the one where it's either got three great films or two great films and a half of a great film.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: Die Hard, I think that you get diminishing returns.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: They get weaker and weaker.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think three is better than two.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's defensible, yeah.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: But two and three are on the same level, but neither of them are great.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: So there's no- I think they're both great.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Do you?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that explains why it's an S for you.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it's fine to have an A.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: Aliens, if three weren't terrible, not terrible.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing in S has a terrible movie.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's gotta be the right.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: And nothing in S has a bad movie, or even a they can have weaker than the others, but it's not significantly weak.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I think Godfather Three by itself is better than most of the things on the board.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm pleased with my S and I'm pleased with my A.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: The B's are the ones that I'm uncertain on, right?
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: My B's, I I could totally see Born being higher.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_02: I would have to watch them again.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: If I watch them again, I bet Born would go up to A for me.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: I feel bad about Toby Maguire's trilogy.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Just yeah, I feel good about all this.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is good for me.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: I looking at them, I'm pretty happy with everything.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's very telling that most of the superheroes are in B for me, with the one exception of Captain America trilogy.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: I worry that I've placed Planet of the Apes too high.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't know if I have because I love those movies.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I don't love any of them more than I love Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: Series that was just a solid trilogy that didn't have a weak thing.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because Back of the Future 2 is weak.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_02: Captain America, first one is is a bit weak, like Godfather, the third one's just a little bit weaker.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Planet Apes, they're just all good.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: They are.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: And more people should watch them.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm going to be happy with my list.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, and that now it's time to lay into us.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: We will leave it there.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: What trilogies we skip?
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Let us know what we missed also.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_02: There's several notable ones that we haven't seen.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Also, we obviously have focused very heavily on spec fic scripts.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you know, there's three meet the Falkers.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's three we don't care about those.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: How's that been?