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S3 E6: Did the Jedi Code Get It Wrong? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there this is Obi Wan the right Obi Wan, the dog Obi Wan
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  and this is most things Kenobi. I have a bad feeling about this.
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  Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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  podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host, Leanne.
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  You know, sometimes it feels difficult for me to say my own
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  name. Do you ever have that problem?
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  It's always awkward when I say it.
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  Yeah. Who am I?
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  Who are you? I don't know.
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  I can say your way. Leanne is easy.
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  Lauren is like, I can't even get my mouth around my own name.
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  It's fucking weird. Anyway, my name is Lauren.
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  That didn't come out bad. Yeah, try mine.
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  My name is Leanne your Your name is way easier to say for me.
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  All right, all right. Welcome to the show everyone.
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  What a great way to start. You never know with us.
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  You know it's a mixed bag in these parts here.
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  You could call us like the Trail Mix podcast of Star Wars.
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  Sometimes it's a chocolate morsel, sometimes it's a cashew.
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  But it's always delicious. And filling OK anyway, what is?
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  This I don't know, but clearly we need each other today.
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  This has been a tough day. Very happy to be here and to
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  talk about what the Jedi code this time.
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  Yes, we are going to try and poke holes in the Jedi Code.
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  If you haven't listened to the last episode, you might want to
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  start there. You don't have to, but it might
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  get you a little oriented to what we're talking about today.
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  Last time we tried to defend the Sith code, and this time we're
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  going to poke holes in the Jedi code.
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  And I have to tell you, I'm in a bad mood and this is going to be
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  easy. Yes, well, line by line we'll
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  get to feel it out and see where we're at because we're both in
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  fine moods today. Actually, this podcast is our
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  bright spot and we always say it and it really is though.
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  That's true. It like no, no exaggeration.
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  It really is. All right, let's criticize some
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  Jedi. Let's do it.
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  I'm ready. Listen, last episode was
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  difficult. Yeah, that was challenging.
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  Yes, it was. We found ourselves constantly
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  trying to defend the Jedi or the Sith Code and constantly saying
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  this is a bunch of bullshit. You know, just coming back
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  around to what we've always felt about it.
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  So let's see if we do the same with this code.
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  This one, though, this one I don't know.
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  All right, we got to put on our our masks.
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  Jedi masks or our Sith masks? Yeah.
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  Yeah, our our anti anti anti. We're just gonna devil's
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  advocate poking holes looking for loopholes, right?
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  Yeah, yes. OK.
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  OK. All right.
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  First line There is no emotion, there is peace.
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  Wrong. Yeah, fuck that shit.
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  You're off to a great start. Right now, I'm sorry but emotion
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  is a normal part of being a human being and any therapist
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  will tell you the more you repress your emotion, yes,
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  unhealthier you'll be. Honest to God, and the reason
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  why I said false is I don't know that it's healthy to say there
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  is no emotion. Perhaps, maybe there is control
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  of emotion. Yes, yes, yeah.
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  Really, if you feel through something, you really sit with
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  it, you honor it and you give it a name and you let it go.
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  That's when you find peace. So I don't know that no emotion,
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  quote UN quote is the correct terminology here, or phrasing.
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  I don't know what you'd call it. But I totally agree with you.
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  Yeah, I don't know. I feel like this code is for
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  people who have already achieved Jedi status and have control.
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  That's brilliant. Yeah, maybe.
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  It's not really fair for just a regular initiate.
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  Maybe with me, like I don't, I don't know how this works.
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  How is there no emotion? Because even Obi Wan's a great
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  example. He is a very excellent Jedi and
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  he always says the right thing. But you can tell he has emotion.
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  He's just not expressing it. And ultimately, I think he ends
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  up serving the Council rather than the actual Jedi ideals or
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  the actual Force. So yeah, I think this is setting
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  you off on a very unhealthy foundation.
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  And and. Maybe it's just the semantics of
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  the wording, but it doesn't feel good to me.
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  You remember the last episode how we both agreed that the Sith
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  code was kind of a step ladder? Yes?
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  I find that the Jedi code is a reminder to Jedi's to the Jedi,
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  not plural the Jedi. I think you could say it either
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  way. Jedi, Moose, Jedi and Jedi's I.
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  Think, OK, well, broccoli or broccoli, asparagus or asparagi.
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  The thing is, I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying.
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  I do think that this code, I'm sorry, I do think that this code
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  is a kind of a cold reminder of like, don't have any emotion.
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  You must remain peaceful, you know, and then on and on and on.
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  Yeah, I agree with you. But it's unhealthy.
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  It's unhealthy like you said. Yeah, it.
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  Feels more like someone wagging their finger at you than the
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  Sith code. It has.
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  It has that flavor, yeah. Yeah.
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  Do you remember the Sith code also was like me, me, me, I, I,
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  I and there really is none of that in here.
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  I like that about the Jedi code. Yeah.
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  It's an overarching kind of theme to live by, I guess.
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  Yeah. And they're not saying you
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  should not have emotion. You should not have, you know,
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  any of that. It's yeah.
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  In that sense, it feels more a code to live by.
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  But I can totally see why the Sith would say this is just a
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  bunch of BS. Peace is a lie, Yeah, I mean.
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  Yes, which we talked about last time.
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  That like peace really kind of feels like a fallacy, except for
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  personal peace, right? Again, we, I think we kind of
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  mentioned Buddhism maybe in the last episode, maybe I don't
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  remember, but they also like Stoicism.
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  Actually I'll I'll use Stoicism instead.
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  Yes, let's do Stoicism, which. I have to say modern ideas of
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  Stoicism are often misunderstood.
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  People are like, I agree, you don't feel anything and just Oh
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  well, life happens. That's not what like Marcus
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  Aurelius. Stoicism is very different from
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  what people like to say it is now.
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  But it's, it's not that you have no response, like Oh well fuck
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  it all. It's that you realize you can't
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  impact anything really other than your reaction to something.
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  And so in that case, instead of letting emotions rule you, you
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  would acknowledge them and then try to control them for your own
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  inner peace. That makes sense to me, but I'm
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  not sure. I guess that's, I guess that's
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  what the Jedi mean, right? Yes, when I think of the Jedi
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  that come to mind, they all felt something.
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  They all had emotions. Geez, Luke did and Qui Gon Mace,
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  what's up? Mace?
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  He was pretty emotional and he was lacking emotion when he
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  should have had some, you know. So I mean, I guess there's again
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  a balance. You don't want to turn into
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  Anakin. Luminara kind of comes to mind
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  for me for this first. One.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She had too much peace, too
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  little emotion, too much peace. Yeah, and maybe that makes her a
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  good Jedi, but ultimately it let her kind of be willing to
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  sacrifice before it was necessary.
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  Right. Yeah, totally agree.
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  All right, well, the next line. Do you want to read the next
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  line? Yes, there is no ignorance,
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  there is knowledge. I like this one.
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  This one makes me laugh a little bit because who says there's no
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  ignorance? There's ignorance, there's
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  ignorance in the absence of knowledge, but the ignorance is
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  still present. You don't know what you don't
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  know. That's correct.
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  So what are they implying here? That you must gain knowledge.
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  None of these lines like lead into the next one.
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  They're individual thoughts. Yeah, whereas the Sith was like
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  building each one would build off to the next one.
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  This one's difficult. OK, so it kind of brings to mind
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  that Mark Twain quote about travel being the antidote to
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  ignorance or something like that.
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  OK. And the only cure for ignorance
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  is to seek knowledge. But that's not what this says.
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  Is this referring to experience? Good question.
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  Are you reliant on your master to teach you everything so that
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  you're not ignorant? Let's let's take the example of
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  Ahsoka. She was taught many things by
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  both Obi Wan and Anakin and she honestly succeeded and thanked
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  Anakin for the knowledge that he bestowed upon her.
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  But again, she didn't know that she would have to use certain
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  parts until she was stranded on that with the rest of those.
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  It was like young Chewy and young, you know, when she was on
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  that island. Yes, yes, yes, The Hunt or
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  whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, that one.
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  And that was like a really great moment between her and Anakin
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  because she had the knowledge to endure and get out of that
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  situation. And then as we see her mature
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  and leave the Order, she has a lot of knowledge.
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  But I I don't understand the no ignorance, the word no.
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  I have a problem with in every single one of these lines.
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  It's too harsh A delineation. There has to be room for
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  humanity. Well, the the problem is, is
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  aren't we trying to seek balance?
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  And when you say there is no emotion, there is peace.
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  That means there's no between. There's no Gray space.
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  Yeah, I'm looking up the formal definition of ignorance.
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  Oh, let's go. What's this say?
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  To be ignorant is destitute of knowledge or education, lacking
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  comprehension of a specified thing.
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  So train in the temple and gain thy knowledge.
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  I mean, isn't there a better way of saying this that just like
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  always be learning, know that you don't always know
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  everything? That's a much better way of
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  phrasing it, I mean. This implies that if you go to
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  school, you'll never be ignorant.
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  Of course you'll have areas in your life where you're ignorant.
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  You can't possibly know everything.
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  What's that phrase? You can't ask a fish to fly.
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  You'll always be disappointed. But it's he doesn't know how,
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  he's not capable. You can't ask of someone what
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  they don't know how to do. So I don't know.
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  Stupid. This is weird.
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  Next line. Did you have an accent on that?
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  Kind of. It did like a Staten Island.
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  Yeah, I get. You know, when I was a little
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  kid, I had a speech impediment and I sounded like I was from
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  New York. It was kind of from New York,
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  but wow. Oh, one of those.
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  Oh yeah, OK. That's where your vowels are all
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  like really wide. Yeah, it got better at school
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  but comes through every now. That's cute.
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  All right, the next line is there is no passion, there is
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  serenity. Well, passions mentioned in the
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  Sith code there is only passion I believe, right?
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  Something like that, yeah. Something there is no peace,
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  only passion or some shit. Something like that.
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  I know we're just, we're not talking about.
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  Yeah, well, The thing is, is that there is passion, but
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  they're telling the Jedi they must not be passionate.
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  You must be serene. Just as so counterintuitive to
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  being a human being. That's the problem I'm having
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  with this. Maybe as you get older and I've
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  noticed this for myself, maybe you've noticed it for yourself,
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  your passions like your obsession or your excitement
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  gets tempered a little bit. It does.
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  But there's, there's still stuff that I, I like to feel
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  passionate about things. And I think we talked about this
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  in the last episode. The passion in and of itself is
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  not bad. Mm hmm.
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  So passion and serenity, I think both things are important to
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  feel at some points in your life.
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  Now, maybe when you get older or become a better Jedi, you stop
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  feeling passion. But I mean, from a marketing
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  perspective, if you're the Jedi Council, wouldn't you want some
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  passion in the people who practice your ways so that they
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  want to keep truly the order going?
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  Too much passing because I mean. But The thing is, these are so
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  fucking polarizing. Yes.
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  They're too polarizing. There is an in between, you
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  know? Well, listen.
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  OK, OK, Let me back this up. Let me back this up.
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  Think like a Jedi for two seconds.
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  Very hard. Through knowledge, you become
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  more serene because you just said it yourself.
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  The older we get, the more kind of wise we get.
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  We're less, you know, zero to 60, you know, like we used to
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  be. Whether that's because we're
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  perpetually exhausted or if it's because we learned a thing or
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  two. You could connect the two.
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  Knowledge and serenity and a little bit of peace thrown in
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  there. I'm way more at peace now with
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  myself than I ever have been my entire life.
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  That can only come from some experience, because through
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  lived experience you gain more knowledge about yourself.
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  OK, now I'm defending it God damn it.
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  Well, then I get it. If you're like, say you react to
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  a situation hot, headedly, passionately, that's not good.
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  You want to react to something with serenity and calm.
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  And so in that regard, I get it. But yeah, like you said, it's
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  very polarizing. You learn a thing or two about
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  maybe I shouldn't act that way. I'm going to react this way or
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  not react, but kind of act this one.
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  I'm going to breathe first before I act.
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  That's, that's knowledge. That's not being ignorant
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  anymore of how to kind of temper your passion and your emotion.
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  I guess. See, I'm now I'm working
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  backwards just like I did with the Sith code, but I'm having
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  more trouble with this one than the Sith.
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  The Sith. The Sith was kind of a clear
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  path. This is, like you said, a finger
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  pointing exercise. You better not be ignorant,
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  better not feel. Passion, or else you get to the
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  Citadel. Damn it, Jedi.
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  The next one is there is no chaos, there is harmony.
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  Now we could get into the chaos theory, but I'm not going to do
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  that today. This feels like the same
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  sentiment as the previous line. True.
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  Serenity harmony. Harmony is a little more towards
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  balance cause harmony means like equal on both sides so to.
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  Speak. Chaos is like what they mean in
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  my opinion by passion, cause passion like you and I said
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  doesn't need to be bad thing. But chaos, OK, that is not
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  great. I'm picturing chaos as disorder,
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  maybe of the mind, perhaps in practice of using the Force.
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  When you're chaotic, you're not. You're not gathered.
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  You're not tethered. Think of mall versus Obi Wan, if
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  you will. Yes.
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  That's a great example. There's one who's very chaotic
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  and there's one who's very not. And the minute that Obi Wan gets
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  a little chaotic with his bam bam bam, you know, just whacking
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  and throwing the lightsaber and losing his control, he's off his
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  balance, right? So when I think of that, he he
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  was getting a little into the chaos realm, but then like
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  regathered himself and found harmony in the fight, which is
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  what he does best, right? The yeah, the beautiful dance of
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  it all. Am I defending this against son
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  of I can't I, I bounce, I, I go back and forth and I'm going to
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  keep doing this. It's two sides to one coin.
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  You can't have peace without getting through the emotion.
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  You can't gain knowledge without first being ignorant.
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  You can't become serene without doing something about the
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  passion. It's, it's a balance, right?
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  Yeah. Again, the word no is very
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  limiting. Yes, yeah.
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  I think it's really more about, for the lack of a better word,
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  conquering the negative state that they list first.
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  Mm Hmm. Mm hmm.
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  Like you've said, we've all felt chaotic and you still will
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  throughout times in your life. I don't think there's ever a
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  person who could permanently achieve perfect harmony forever.
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  Unless you're the Buddha, you know, like.
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  Yeah, truly. We as humans can feel a state
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  and learn that state of peace or serenity, but you will slip out
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  of it because of daily life, at least in our modern lives.
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  Maybe the Jedi, it's easier 'cause they have, you know, the
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  room of 1000 fountains they can dance into.
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  Whenever they feel chaotic, they can go meditate.
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  Wish I had that. Or a fountain I would.
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  Love, 1000 Fountains. Me too.
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  Are there really 1000 fountains in there?
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  I always wanted to know. Is there a therapist behind
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  hiding behind any of them? Still looking for that therapist
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  in the Jedi Temple? Yeah, they need it.
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  They now that you've said that, this makes this feels a little
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  better for me, but I I still agree with you with the word no
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  is. Think of a youngling.
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  Yeah. Think, think of them when they
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  are a little passionate or they're ignorant to the lesson
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  or they're a little chaotic and they're not perfectly doing the
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  balance of whatever is, you know, balancing rocks or
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  fighting with us. You know how that in the
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  acolyte, they were teaching those younglings and they were
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  all had their sticks and they were doing it in perfect unison
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  of everyone like a dance. Imagine a little youngling who's
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  learning and feels inadequate because Oh no, they had a little
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  bit of chaos or they felt a little bit too passionate about
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  something. They're going to think they're
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  bad, that they're wrong, that they're not good enough.
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  Yeah. And that's, I don't know that
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  that's great. It's it's like guaranteed to
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  give people a guilt complex to phrase things this way, yeah.
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  Now is peace, knowledge, serenity and harmony goals to
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  achieve? Absolutely.
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  But to say there is no ABCDI, don't know.
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  Yeah, 'cause every day is a, you know, rainbows and unicorns,
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  you're gonna have days where you feel like shit, but if you're
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  well practiced, you'll be able to help yourself, you know,
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  regain the state of serenity or whatever that comes with self
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  knowledge and patience. A shit ton of patience and.
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  Where's that on here? Yeah, it's not at all.
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  And children need to learn that perfection is not possible.
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  But doing your best to remember to step out of the chaos if you
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  can. But I don't know how to, you
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  know, if you're making a, a code, you can't say now do your
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  children all written out. Remember to step out of chaos if
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  you can. It's wordy, I get it.
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  That's why I think this has to be like a reminder code for
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  established Jedi. Yeah.
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  I just don't know that it's appropriate for anyone who isn't
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  established, honestly. We're sending teenagers out to
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  war in the Republic. Are they going to remember all
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  this? I mean, I understand that it's a
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  test for them that they have to remember these and practice
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  these while they're out. But like, if you're overseeing
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  thousands of clones, I don't know if I'd remember all these
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  at once. Maybe that's the trick.
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  I don't know. I'd have to have a CHEAT SHEET
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  somewhere so I don't forget. Oh, put it on your hand.
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  Oh. Oh, put it.
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  Slip a piece of paper inside your lightsaber and pull it out
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  at the base. Be like, OK, And there's no
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  motion. There's peace.
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  There's no ignorance. OK, got it.
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  Put it back in. Let's go.
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  Totally would work. I can imagine.
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  Oh. My God.
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  Flash cards. Jedi flash cards.
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  I want some, it'd be fun. All right, well, you want to
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  read the last. There is no death.
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  There is the force. Now.
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  Come on. Hold.
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  Hold on. What?
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  What? What are you talking about?
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  I know we're playing devil's advocate.
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  I know what they're talking about.
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  But like, what? What do you mean there's no
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  death? Are they saying I know what
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  they're saying? What are they trying to convey
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  here? Don't worry about death.
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  There is only the force. And through the force you will
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  become one with what? From where you came?
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  Is this to comfort someone to like rush in to war with 1000
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  clones and don't worry about what happened?
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  Like why are we telling people that there is no death?
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  And why is the force the answer? I I need more?
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  Well, they did not know at this time Force Ghost was possible.
• 23:16
  Yeah. The wills I'm trying.
• 23:18
  To not think of that. Oh yeah, the wills are all over
• 23:21
  this. Yeah, and they, from what I
• 23:24
  understand, the Jedi did not believe in an afterlife, so to
• 23:27
  speak, but they believed in you reconnecting with, is it the
• 23:30
  cosmic force 'cause there's two, you know, there's two kinds of
• 23:34
  force. And so when you die, your energy
• 23:37
  joins, rejoins the Force. So like, you know, ashes to
• 23:43
  ashes, so to speak, energy to energy.
• 23:45
  I I get that. I get that, yeah.
• 23:47
  You still die. They did not believe in
• 23:49
  preserved consciousness. So then what is death if not
• 23:55
  that? Now if we think of Obi Wan
• 24:01
  coming to his death with Vader in episode 4, he seemed pretty
• 24:05
  peaceful and he welcomed death because he would be more
• 24:10
  powerful than you'll ever imagine.
• 24:12
  And this that the other but we know about the force ghosts.
• 24:16
  And we've talked about this before that when that movie was
• 24:19
  written, did did they know Force Ghosts were coming and Empire
• 24:24
  Strikes Back? Because they didn't even know
• 24:26
  that movie was going to get greenlit at the time that A New
• 24:30
  Hope. Was, I know.
• 24:31
  We talked about that with James, didn't we?
• 24:33
  We did. Yeah, Yeah.
• 24:35
  Because as as a kid, I remember when Obi Wan joins the force,
• 24:38
  whatever, I remember just being like what just happened.
• 24:42
  Yeah, yeah. But he does give that line of
• 24:45
  strike me down, you know, and well.
• 24:48
  I guess he does talk to Luke later, you know, trust the
• 24:51
  Force, Luke, you know, at the end.
• 24:54
  That was pretty good. Pretty good.
• 24:59
  I mean, it's true, I guess. I guess again, I'm displeased at
• 25:04
  the word no, because obviously there's death, but the opposite
• 25:08
  of death is not the force. So this is misleading, at least
• 25:12
  in my opinion. The opposite of death is not the
• 25:14
  force. One death is a normal part of of
• 25:17
  cycles. So does that make it part of the
• 25:20
  force then? Yeah.
• 25:22
  You would have to accept the death in order to do that.
• 25:25
  So the the the phrase there is no death is again no.
• 25:29
  Yeah. And even in nature, when things
• 25:32
  die, there's rebirth. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Even if you believe that, you know, the body dies, there would
• 25:37
  still be some part of the cycle that either comes back or gets
• 25:41
  regenerated or whatever. I don't know, Just it's, it's
• 25:45
  too simplified, I think, considering how complex we know
• 25:50
  the wills and the midichlorians and all this other shit that's
• 25:54
  that's part of Star Wars now, to say there is no death, there's
• 25:59
  only the Force. It's like like you said, I need
• 26:01
  more information. Well I know, and not only that,
• 26:04
  but not every Jedi dies and becomes one with the force.
• 26:08
  No, some just straight up die and their bodies just stay
• 26:12
  there. Where's Ben Solo?
• 26:15
  We don't know. We still don't know.
• 26:17
  Yeah. You think he gave the ultimate
• 26:19
  sacrifice that he didn't turn into a forest ghost?
• 26:21
  So what are we doing? I don't know.
• 26:23
  Yeah. And Qui Gon gets burned on the
• 26:27
  pyre. So we know that the body doesn't
• 26:32
  prevent, you know, and like, you know, there was that whole
• 26:36
  controversy of he appears as a Force ghost in the Kenobi
• 26:40
  series. And like he said in Clone Wars
• 26:42
  that he did not know how to do that.
• 26:45
  Yes. Sam Whitworth argues that he's
• 26:48
  had time to train in the afterlife, which I think is
• 26:51
  funny, but. Well, what?
• 26:53
  Whatever Sam says. Yeah, I'm here for.
• 26:56
  Sam Sam is in charge, so. Sam knows a thing or two.
• 27:01
  Yeah, he's a walking encyclopedia.
• 27:03
  He really is and, and we could. I mean, there's nothing saying
• 27:07
  he didn't train in the afterlife, so if I can't find an
• 27:11
  excuse or a reason saying he didn't, I can't roll it out.
• 27:15
  OK, so peace, knowledge, serenity, harmony, the force.
• 27:20
  Those bolded words I totally get.
• 27:24
  Yeah. All beautiful traits of a well
• 27:27
  skilled and knowledgeable Jedi. Yeah, but other business.
• 27:35
  What would we say in place of this to make this better?
• 27:38
  It can't be. There is no right, There is no
• 27:42
  emotion, there is no ignorance because it's denying something
• 27:46
  that does exist one way or another.
• 27:49
  And it and the idea I think that they're going for is not to deny
• 27:52
  it, but to learn control over yourself so that you achieve
• 27:58
  peace, knowledge, serenity. Blah blah blah.
• 28:01
  Here's how I would write it. When there is strong emotion,
• 28:05
  seek peace. When there is ignorance, seek
• 28:09
  knowledge. Where there is passion, seek
• 28:12
  serenity. When there is chaos, seek
• 28:15
  harmony. And when there is death, seek
• 28:17
  the force. Yeah, I like that actually.
• 28:21
  That leaves open the fact that everyone may experience strong
• 28:26
  emotion or ignorance or passion, etcetera, etcetera, and it is
• 28:29
  your duty as a Jedi to seek out these key bolded things that
• 28:36
  make a Jedi a Jedi. I love that.
• 28:39
  That's brilliant. OK, Jedi.
• 28:41
  Just a thought. You need to hire Leanne to
• 28:43
  rewrite your code. Peace is a lie, bitch.
• 28:47
  That would be first on the Sith. So here I'm a little more
• 28:52
  gentle. I think the I think the Sith
• 28:56
  would appreciate my rewriting. I think the Jedi would
• 29:00
  appreciate it as well. I think so too.
• 29:02
  You make it more accessible and more Yes, it's gentler, but not
• 29:07
  weaker. It allows for you to be
• 29:11
  imperfect and still be striving to be a better person.
• 29:15
  Whereas this gives you like no wiggle room.
• 29:17
  As it's written, it's a very. You there is only this, there's
• 29:21
  none of this, there's only that. Like, I know they don't say
• 29:24
  there's only, but it's the implication of that.
• 29:26
  And despite all of this, I think a proper Jedi would seek these
• 29:32
  things throughout his career, throughout his life, throughout
• 29:35
  his, as soon as he's graduated, he or she, I shouldn't just say
• 29:39
  he, but like the the collective Jedi, as soon as they reach a
• 29:45
  level, their job then is to seek out these things and always try
• 29:49
  to improve upon them because there is no perfection, which
• 29:52
  you mentioned earlier. Yep.
• 29:54
  And you as a master is your job to teach your paddle on the
• 29:58
  skills to achieve what's listed in this code, precisely because
• 30:04
  this is not the kind of stuff you're born knowing intuitively.
• 30:07
  You need to be taught how to control your mind and your
• 30:11
  thoughts. And that is a big and it's a big
• 30:13
  deficit, I think a lot of us feel.
• 30:16
  Absolutely. That's a lifelong thing where
• 30:18
  you're reminded over and over and over and over again because
• 30:21
  it never stops. There's always going to be
• 30:23
  emotion. There's only you're always going
• 30:24
  to be ignorant of something. I like this needs improvement.
• 30:30
  C Minus. You know what I mean, though?
• 30:38
  It's like, it's like, it's OK, we can work with it.
• 30:41
  Yeah, could be better. I love you so.
• 30:46
  Much join us back for our next episode where we we were gifted
• 30:59
  a little book by one of our dearest friends of the podcast
• 31:03
  and patron, Ben. Shout out to Ben.
• 31:06
  Hi, Ben. We decided to take that gift and
• 31:11
  turn it into an episode and the gift, the book is be more Obi
• 31:15
  Wan or be more like Obi Wan, and it's in the series of like be
• 31:18
  more like Leia, be more like loose.
• 31:20
  So we're going to go through that book and see what it takes
• 31:23
  to be more Obi Wan and list all the ways that we will inevitably
• 31:28
  fail and trying to be more like Obi Wan.
• 31:32
  Right away, the beard. We just can't do the beard.
• 31:36
  First and foremost, the hair. Get it out of the way.
• 31:39
  Facial hair and head of hair is just not going to happen here.
• 31:42
  Not happening, but we're going to go through that like the
• 31:46
  highlights of the book. It's not a very long book.
• 31:48
  It's a very cute book, but it's got some good Nuggets in there
• 31:51
  that we're going to talk about. So join us back here.
• 31:53
  We're going back to Obi Wan next episode.
• 31:57
  Last week we discussed whether or not the Sith Code had it
• 32:01
  rights and we got a lovely comment from our listener and
• 32:05
  patron Tara. Tara said it's nice that unlike
• 32:09
  so many other YouTube channels and podcasts, both of you
• 32:11
  actually have real discourse about these topics.
• 32:14
  It's so refreshing. That's very nice.
• 32:17
  Thank you, Tara. Yeah, I think I and I wrote this
• 32:22
  to her. Like we, we respect the
• 32:25
  material. We really do like very genuinely
• 32:28
  find it fun and interesting to talk about this stuff and laugh
• 32:32
  at the same time. But.
• 32:33
  Oh, for sure. You and I both have a good mix
• 32:37
  of critical like analytical brain, technical brain and
• 32:41
  creative brain. So I think you.
• 32:43
  And I. That's why we love talking about
• 32:46
  this stuff together so much. Honestly, I wouldn't want to
• 32:49
  talk about it with anyone else, no.
• 32:53
  Thank you. And thank you Tara.
• 32:55
  Tara's spot on. On so many things she digs into
• 32:57
  stuff, so it's nice to hear that she enjoys when we do the same.
• 33:01
  Absolutely, totally agree with you.
• 33:03
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• 33:06
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• 33:09
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• 33:38
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