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Teka Adams - Fetal Abduction · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Today we discuss a rare crime, one so heinous even
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  Speaker 1: death row inmates look down on you if you commit this,
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  Speaker 1: an act where you remove the life from another human
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  Speaker 1: being for your own gain, even though that life is
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  Speaker 1: neither yours nor theirs. In fact, it's a brand new
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  Speaker 1: life all on its own. This is the story of
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  Speaker 1: a rare crime called fetal abduction.
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  Speaker 2: So we unfortunately had to put I'm gonna cry, like
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  Speaker 2: I can't announce this with that. But we had to
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  Speaker 2: put Mika down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, our oldest dog, Meca. In the spring, she was
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was I mean a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: there are also animal lovers and you just like they're
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  Speaker 2: part of your family. It's literally got wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so we want to just kind of designate
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  Speaker 1: and say that that Halloween Week was in lou for
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  Speaker 1: Meka because we didn't want to say anything during it
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  Speaker 1: while it was happening, but we had to put her
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  Speaker 1: down during Halloween week. So yeah, we just want to
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  Speaker 1: give that one to her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she deserves that, So.
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  Speaker 1: This one's for her too, because why not.
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  Speaker 2: Something kind of cool on a side note in regards,
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  Speaker 2: so we have like this this calendar, this local calendar,
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  Speaker 2: and it's an it's through the city and then it's
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  Speaker 2: also like a fundraiser through I think our SPCA, which
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  Speaker 2: is our I don't know if SPCA is a thing worldwide,
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  Speaker 2: but it's our animal shelter. And so I had put
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  Speaker 2: in this photo of our two dogs and like trying
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  Speaker 2: to get in this calendar and it was just kind
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  Speaker 2: of an honor of Mika and they picked the photo.
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  Speaker 2: So there will be little miss Decembers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're stoked. And just so you guys know,
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  Speaker 1: all the kind words and everything. We're not sharing this
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  Speaker 1: you know we've kind of made peace with it. It's
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  Speaker 1: still sad thinking about her, but it is what it
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  Speaker 1: is and we're doing okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but there will be one less for baby
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  Speaker 2: running around, So we disfigured we'd let you know a
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  Speaker 2: Are you? I don't know because I was literally just
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  Speaker 2: like scroll on Facebook as Ben did his little intro
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  Speaker 2: and then I just did like the side slow glance
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  Speaker 2: over at him, like.
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  Speaker 1: The fuck because she knew nothing about what case.
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  Speaker 2: I do nothing nothing. I'm honestly often blind, like coming
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  Speaker 2: in blind here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is the story of Tika Adams and
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  Speaker 1: her experience with what is known as fetal abduction.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, we're in for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So warning up ahead of time. This can get
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  Speaker 1: graphic and a very squeamish, especially for potential mothers or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. So consider yourself warned right now. So
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  Speaker 1: it starts in Washington, DC in two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 1: A woman named Tika Adams described herself as a very
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  Speaker 1: rebellious individual. She created her own rules and didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to live by anyone else's. She was twenty nine years
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  Speaker 1: old and was living on the streets day with no
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  Speaker 1: way of knowing where her next meal would come from. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she was homeless. She was heavy into drug use. She
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  Speaker 1: was in and out of prisons, and continued to wander
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  Speaker 1: alone through the city as her feet hit the concrete
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  Speaker 1: leading her to her next unlan location each day. It
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  Speaker 1: was a life no one should have to endure. A
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  Speaker 1: life of loneliness, pain, and often even shame and regret. However,
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  Speaker 1: after living this life for what seemed like an eternity,
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  Speaker 1: Tika decided that she needed to do something. She wasn't
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  Speaker 1: going to keep living this way and the only person
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  Speaker 1: who could change it was her.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I love that. This is okay right, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So she's turning over that new leaf.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 1: She decided she was going to leave the streets behind,
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  Speaker 1: and her first step to become the woman that she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to was checking herself into a shelter.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good for her. Yea, that's not an easy choice
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  Speaker 2: or easing to do.
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  Speaker 1: No, definitely not taking life by the balls for the
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  Speaker 1: proverbial saying, or however you want to say it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a big step. Yeah, So good for her for
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  Speaker 1: making that call.
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  Speaker 2: To literally step back, see what situation you're in and
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  Speaker 2: then have the courage to change it. Is amazing. It's huge, huge.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So she did that. She went to a shelter
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  Speaker 1: in DC which was being run by the Community for
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  Speaker 1: Creative Non Violence, and there she began to stay in
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  Speaker 1: the woman's section of the shelter and she officially began
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  Speaker 1: turning over that new leaf. Now, as such as life.
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  Speaker 1: When you go searching for something, you will generally find it.
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  Speaker 1: Some call it karma, others call it fate. When you
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  Speaker 1: put out a good energy into the universe, you can
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  Speaker 1: really generally say that you'll find good energy come back
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  Speaker 1: your way. So when Tika checked herself in ready to
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  Speaker 1: leave her old life behind, her new life presented her
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  Speaker 1: in the form or with good energy, in the form
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  Speaker 1: of a man named PJJ. He was also checked in
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  Speaker 1: the shelter. He was in a very similar situation. He
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  Speaker 1: decided he had had enough of the life on the
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  Speaker 1: streets and it was time to turn his life around.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm I was going to say they seem
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  Speaker 2: like a good match, but hopefully this guy isn't an asshole.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's a good guy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he's a good guy. Okay, because you never know
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  Speaker 2: sometimes where we going to like this person? Are we
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  Speaker 2: not going to like this person?
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  Speaker 1: This is a true crime podcast, so you know a
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  Speaker 1: true crime is going to occur, and we already discussed
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  Speaker 1: what kind of crime is.
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  Speaker 2: So well, well, I'm going to say he's the dad.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. The two instantly made a connection and their love
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  Speaker 1: for one another began to develop quickly. Now, while still
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  Speaker 1: in the shelter. The two would eventually get married wow,
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  Speaker 1: and Tika would soon be an expecting mother Right on yep.
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  Speaker 1: So everything in Tika's life was beginning to turn around.
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  Speaker 1: She was off the streets, she now had a family
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  Speaker 1: of her own, and her future was looking brighter.
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  Speaker 2: Every day, no kidding, it's like a three sixty.
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  Speaker 1: However, a very dark twist would come into her life.
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  Speaker 1: When she was seven months pregnant with a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: Tika began receiving phone calls, calls from a number that
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  Speaker 1: showed up on her caller ID as unknown. She brushed
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  Speaker 1: the calls off at first and ignored them, but they
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  Speaker 1: kept coming. So one day, while she was on her
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  Speaker 1: way to the grocery store with a friend, the phone
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  Speaker 1: rang again with that same unknown display. She decided she
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  Speaker 1: would see who it was and what they wanted, so
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  Speaker 1: she answered it. I know a lot of the times,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm really prone to answer those phone calls, even
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  Speaker 1: if it is a telemarketer. I like to just like
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  Speaker 1: hang up on them and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the worst. I won't answer them. I won't even
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  Speaker 2: answer the goddamn door if someone's there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the door's a little bit different. It is a
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  Speaker 1: physical location. It's like right there, you're confronted with them,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so I can't blame you for that.
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  Speaker 2: This podcast has made me scared.
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  Speaker 1: Shilla, close your doors, your windows, watch your bathroom mirror.
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say your medicine cabine's Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, Tika found on the other end of the phone
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  Speaker 1: was a friendly voice of a woman, and she introduced
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  Speaker 1: herself as Stephanie Mills. Now step began to tell Tica
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  Speaker 1: who she was and the reason she was calling. She
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  Speaker 1: told her that she works for a company that assists
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  Speaker 1: women who are homeless or underprivileged, potentially in a shelter program.
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  Speaker 1: Things like that individuals who like her are pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the idea is that the company she works with
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  Speaker 1: helps women by providing such things such as baby clothing
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  Speaker 1: or other supplies that expecting mothers would need but can't
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  Speaker 1: quite supply for themselves. Understandably, many women in tika situation
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  Speaker 1: would have a difficult time purchasing many of these items
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  Speaker 1: that they need to raise a child, so the support
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  Speaker 1: would go a huge long way for her.
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, you need so much shit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, kids are not cheap.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like so many things.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So the conversation continues and she tells Tica all
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  Speaker 1: about the items that they have in a warehouse, baby clothes,
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  Speaker 1: like you name it. Most of it's being donated or secondhand,
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  Speaker 1: but they have a lot that they can pass on
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  Speaker 1: and help her. So, needless to say, Tica was beyond excited.
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  Speaker 1: This would help her and PJ tremendously and they would
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  Speaker 1: be able to give their new baby a great start
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  Speaker 1: in life. PJ, however, seemed to be a little bit skeptical.
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  Speaker 2: Though I'm skeptical of the warehouse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't so sure of the situation. A feeling
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  Speaker 1: Teaka was not too fond of sharing. She reassured him
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  Speaker 1: that it was fine and it's the help that they
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  Speaker 1: just need.
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  Speaker 2: M Well, she was probably like thinking, this is just oh,
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  Speaker 2: they've answered my prayers kind of thing, like we need
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  Speaker 2: we need help, like I want to give this baby
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  Speaker 2: everything possible, right, and then this phone call just so
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  Speaker 2: she's it, this is like kind of a tricky spot,
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  Speaker 2: especially because most people think other people are good.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well definitely. So if you receive a phone
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  Speaker 1: call like because there are organizations like this hunter are
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  Speaker 1: so you receive this phone call to help your child.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you're going to take it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. Generally, I feel like you have to
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  Speaker 2: kind of reach out to them more.
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  Speaker 1: So, potentially, I'm not too sure how it would work
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  Speaker 1: in a shelter situation because they might have names of
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  Speaker 1: individuals and send it out yeah for you, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not too certain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean giving I guess the situation that she
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  Speaker 2: was already and maybe they passed her information along, right,
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  Speaker 2: So where's your head going with this?
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  Speaker 1: So far? Though, I'm curious.
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  Speaker 2: I think this warehouse is shit and she needs to
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  Speaker 2: run for the hills.
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  Speaker 1: You think the warehouse is shit?
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  Speaker 2: You? No, just the warehouse? I was like, no, Like,
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  Speaker 2: just don't I in my brain, and she needs to
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  Speaker 2: go with someone. She's going to pick up shit. She
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  Speaker 2: needs to take someone with her, a buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough. Well, Tka and Stephanie continue to be in contact,
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  Speaker 1: discussing her needs and getting her set up to come
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  Speaker 1: pick up the items that she'd be needing. It was
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  Speaker 1: early December two thousand and nine when Tika Adams was
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  Speaker 1: nine months pregnant and the time finally came where she
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  Speaker 1: could be picking up her goods. Oh my gosh, Stephanie
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  Speaker 1: came and picked Tka up and they both headed out
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  Speaker 1: together to the wear house.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I just have to say, so, the Stephanie chick
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  Speaker 2: is really she's forming a relationship with her.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: That's longer than just a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean that it makes it even worse because
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  Speaker 2: of course you'd think that this person is investing in you.
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  Speaker 1: Makes what worse?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what might be going down here because.
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  Speaker 1: You're making a lot of assumptions.
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  Speaker 2: I am okay, maybe I'll just shut up. So it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's fine, everything's great. This warehouse is just peachy, and
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  Speaker 2: there's full of baby clothes and stuff. Yeah. No, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just like, Okay, she's literally investing in
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  Speaker 2: this person. For two months, they've been having conversations like
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  Speaker 2: she's really going next level here.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Well, Tika was investing a lot like you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: She was filled with excitement. Her baby was almost here
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  Speaker 1: and she was finally being presented with the items to
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  Speaker 1: take care of it. During the drive the two talk,
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  Speaker 1: Tika spoke all about her life and how she was
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  Speaker 1: trying to become a better person. She described her time
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  Speaker 1: in the streets, her encounters with substance abuse, and her
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  Speaker 1: new baby in marriage, which meant the world to her,
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  Speaker 1: and Stephanie shared a bit of her life as well,
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  Speaker 1: talking about some of her family, like she had a
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  Speaker 1: teenage son and so forth, the worst teenage sons.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't know the fact that she's Okay, maybe
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  Speaker 2: my brain's going to the wrong place. But she's in
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  Speaker 2: this vehicle with this person. They're sharing, they're liking each other. Like,
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  Speaker 2: why the fuck does she not have someone with her
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  Speaker 2: right now? Like, I'm sorry, but please just take buddies, well,
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  Speaker 2: buddy system.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did not take a buddy and eventually the
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  Speaker 1: two Stephanie and Tica would arrive at the warehouse location. However,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a warehouse.
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  Speaker 2: What was it.
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  Speaker 1: It was Stephanie's apartment. Okay, it was odd, but Tika
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  Speaker 1: brushed it off and thought, Okay, something must have just
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  Speaker 1: changed in the details or something. She didn't really know
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  Speaker 1: what to think. Yeah, so she went inside the apartment with.
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  Speaker 2: Stephanie because that seems safer than a warehouse. But maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you'd think it would be safer, for sure, That'd
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  Speaker 1: be my assumption. Yeah, I'd probably be like, oh, thank god,
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  Speaker 1: it's an apartment, not a fucking sketchy warehouse. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: apartment was a large, pale brick building. They entered through
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  Speaker 1: a glass door entrance through a sliding door glass door
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  Speaker 1: story which was beside a front door, and led them
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  Speaker 1: into the living room. Now the room was rather empty,
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  Speaker 1: with a couch and some scattered boxes laying around, but
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  Speaker 1: Stephanie kept leading her through the room into an adjacent bedroom.
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  Speaker 1: Now the situation was odd. There were no donated baby
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  Speaker 1: clothes or anything of that nature in sight. In the bedroom,
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  Speaker 1: Stephanie let Tica sit on the bed and she put
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  Speaker 1: a movie on the TV that was located in the room.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, weird.
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  Speaker 1: She also fixed her lunch in the form of two sandwiches.
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  Speaker 2: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: So the two sat down and began to watch the movie,
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  Speaker 1: and by now Tica was feeling quite uncomfortable. She didn't
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: want to be rude. She just assumed that Stephanie was
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: maybe just like a really awkward or different individual, So
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: she didn't want to press or anything like that. Right,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: But soon enough the time would come and they would
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: go get the items that Stephanie would be talking about.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: That's what she was hoping for. She's like Okay, movie
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: will end soon, and it's going to happen here soon.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: She just wants to chill for a bit.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Who knows, Holy heck, she's very kind.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: The fact that she's just like eating the sandwich and
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: watching the movie, Yeah, that's okay.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Well, they sat on the bed with the movie playing.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Antika's phone rang. It was her husband, PJ m. He
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: asked if she was finished up and needed him to
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: come pick her up. There was one problem though, Tika
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: didn't know where they were right. She told PJ what
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: was going on. She kind of reassured him that she'd
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: just be fine.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Meanwhile, he's just like, what the actual
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: is going on?
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So the movie would eventually end, and Stephanie got
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: up and put another one on. Oh my gosh, And
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: strangely enough, after that, she would get up to put
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: another movie on.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. However, things would quickly take a.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Severe turn at this point. At the third movie, all
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, Tica had a blanket thrown over her
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: head and a violent beating and assault began.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I okay, two movies in, like, yes, well,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: what is going on here? I'm so confused?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: She sat there with her for two movies in this
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: stranger's bedroom, just being polite as far as I can tell.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but why did this Stephanie chick need two movies?
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: And like, how did she even find this woman? I'm
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: just yeah, we'll carry on here, but I got questions.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Well, these movies seem to be a bit of a
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: theme and I'm not too sure why or what's with them.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, well we'll touch on it here shortly.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: So, as the assault began, Stephanie was on top of Tika,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: punching and hit her repeatedly, but still the nine month
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: pregnant Teka managed to get to her feet and put
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: her hands and arms up to defend herself as she
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: tried to run. She managed to make it to the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: nearby front door, but quickly realized the severity of her
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: situation when she saw three locks holding her.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Oh oh my gosh, I thought there was going to
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: be more individuals there. No, hmm.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Now. Tica by this time had a large cut across
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: her head and had blood pouring into her face, but
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: she still continued to fight. However, Stephanie was just too much,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: even more so when she got a hold of a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: fire poker and began to beat Tika with it over
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and over. Wow, she was beaten into unconsciousness. But it
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is estimated that she was struck with that fire poker
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: approximately forty times.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Holy, okay, that's that's incredible.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: That is brutal.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's incredible that, like she was putting
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: up the fight of her life there, like she's trying
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: to save herself and her baby. She's doing this all
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: well nine months. Yeah, Like to withstand that much just
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: shows how much strength she has.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. I'm sitting here and I'm like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I got a poop and I can barely walk to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the bathroom.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I feel like I get hit once
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and be like done.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Well, Tica's definitely different than us because she managed to
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: just take a lot. Yeah, she did manage to regain
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: consciousness as she was being dragged down a hallway.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, this is just gonna get worse and worse,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: isn't it from here on out?
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, she was being dragged down the hallway by
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: her ankles towards the kitchen, but she was now bound
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and gagged, Okay, left helpless to her attacker. She was
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: also still quite.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: She just went through a severe beating. She has a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: bell runk, so she's not quite with it right. Hell no,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Next though, she remembers hearing rustling coming from the kitchen drawer,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and then she sees stiff Stephanie kneeling at her side
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: with a box cutter.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is just brutal. This is brutal.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: She remembers Stephanie telling her what she was going to do.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: She remembered her saying she was going to take her baby,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: then feeling a sharp pain in her side. Man, as
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Stephanie began to cut.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: It'd be more than just a sharp fucking pain.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you try writing a podcast and describing that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Oh I know. Sorry, I'm not I'm not saying anything
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: but bad about how you wrote it. But that would
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: be for going excruciate it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: She felt an excruciatingly sharp pain. How's that that's better?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: It's all gold. So as quickly as it began, though,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it luckily stopped, and Tika could hear Stephanie's voice as
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: she began to pray as she said, Lord, forgive me,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I've sinned. Forgive me.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big ass sin.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is then she began to start cleaning up
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the large amounts of blood that had saturated the floor
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: surrounding the two of them, And as she began cleaning,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: she also instructed Tica to stand up, but she was
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: unable to due to her injuries and the restraints, so
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Stephanie helped her get back to the bedroom where she
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: laid her down on the bed. There, she takes away
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Tika's cell phone immediately, and Tika starts telling Stephanie that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: she just won't tell anyone what happened if she just
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: lets her go.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Hey will was her baby still in her?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, so this Stephanie, she.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Did not take it yet.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: She started cutting, but she didn't finish.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: She did not.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Finish, and then she realized that she's a piece of shit.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay, gosh, this is crazy.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So Tka was thinking back to the conversation the two
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: had when they were in the car driving to the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: apartment or what she thought was the warehouse. Yeah, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: she remembers Stephanie talking about her son. So she tried
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to use this to her advantage, saying that she wouldn't
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: say anything because she doesn't believe in breaking up a family.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: She's trying to tug at those heart strings.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: She's smart, she.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Is she's she's a badassy to say that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I just think this woman is incredible.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Her words seemed to actually be making an impact on Stephanie.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Stephanie began pacing around the apartment, struggling with what she
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: was going to do next. This would go on into
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the night. In fact, it continued for the next three days.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Tika was held captive, unsure of her and her baby's
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: safety as her captor paced around the apartment, all while
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Stephanie had movies playing on repeat, over and over and
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: over again.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Well, and she's so injured too, Like, it's almost amazing
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: that she could even have lasted those days without getting
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: medical attention.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guarantee you she at least has a concussion,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: not alone her lacerations. Right.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And Pej, right, that's his name, Pj. The husband must
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: just be worried sick.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guarantee you he was.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So all this time, Tika refused to sleep in fear
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: of what could happen to her if her eyes even
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: closed for a moment. Gosh, now, possibly even if she
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: wanted to her senses may not even allowed her to rest.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: The one and only good thing Stephanie did for Tika
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was she helped keep her fed and hydrated, most likely
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to ensure good health of the child.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: On the third night, Tica witnessed a very ominous sight
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: as Stephanie entered the room carrying a large metal bowl
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: full of ice and carried six towels, some rags, two
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: box cutters, and a knife with her.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, too much shit. She's like just getting
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the courage to have done this and do it again.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yep, fear struck her, But she was helpless in the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: whole situation, and she had her head wrapped in duct
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: tape so she couldn't scream and she wouldn't be able
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to see what was going on. Wow, okay, yep, Stephanie
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: began to start cutting as Tica laid there helpless. She
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: began cutting at her pelvic pelvic region, not knowing what
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: she was doing at all because she is no surgeon,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And after a few minutes of trying, she started physically
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: poking and picking and at Tika's open cut of fingers.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, presumably because she wasn't getting the job done.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: With the knives because.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: She has no idea what the fuck she's doing.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Zero fucking clue. All the while Tika is awake and feeling.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, this is almost too much. Okay.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: In the background, Tika remembers hearing the movie Michael Jackson's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: This Is It playing, and Stephanie would stop and rewind
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the movie in certain parts to hear him sing and
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: perform as she continued to do her grotesque procedure. Really, yes,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a very odd fact in this case, okay. So, like
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I said, Tica was feeling all of this the whole time,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and eventually she would pass out from the pain and
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: blood loss. And when she woke up, she was in
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: severe pain, and Stephanie was lying in front of the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: bedroom door, sleeping in the fetal position. It seemed that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: again she was not successful, and Tika still had her baby.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Holy okay, I cannot even imagine the shape that this
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: woman is in at this point.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Yep. So now what happens next is insane. It's not
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: too clear on how her restraints worked in the situation
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: with the duct tape around her face, or how she
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: was restrained, or if she got them removed. Somehow. But
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we do know is she managed to roll out of bed,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and she prayed all the while while she was saying,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: please just give me the strength. Slowly she crept towards
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the door and stepped over Stephanie, trailing drops of blood
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: across her as she slept.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, she was sleeping there.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Stephanie was sleeping in the fetal position on the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: ground in front of the bedroom door. Antika stepped over her,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: bleeding on her while she's sleeping.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Well in men's pain. I can imagine how that? Could
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: you keep quiet while you were doing that, when you
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: were in this much pain?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and miraculously Stephanie didn't wake up.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Step after step Tica kept pushing, kept going towards the door,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: slowly making her way down the hallway. As she's doing this,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: her stomach and internal organs began spilling out into her hands.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm not surprised though.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Amazingly, she makes it to the front door and unlocks
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: all three of the locks one by one. So they're
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: not like key locks. Their locks to keep people from
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: outside getting in.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yep, which is good.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So finally she managed to open the door to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the apartment. She made her way outside into the hallway,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: where not too far she would pass out.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, please someone come. She woke up again
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to see Stephanie.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Leaning over her.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, as.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: She began dragging her back to the apartment.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You're fucking kidding me, as I'm pissed.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Why don't you tell me how you really feel.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I'm pissed because I was like, no, like she's going
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to make it out of there, like I really thought
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: she was. This is this is horrible.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Well, Tica was once again ready to put up a fight,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and she began screaming bloody murder, which got the attention
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of a neighbor. Good, and he poked his head out
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: into the hallway.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Now, Tika looked this guy right in the face and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: she screamed, please help me. She's trying to kill me,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and she lifted her it's a navy blue colored shirt,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't showing the bloodstains, but she lifted her
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: shirt to show her stomach to the man, and the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: man like probably went just ghost white seeing that, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he screamed immediately that he's calling the police, and Stephanie
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: booked it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, Thank goodness he fucking ran because I was like,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: now this guy's in danger, Like, what's how up and next? Here?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Because this lady is literally something's I don't know. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: don't want to but she's crazy. I don't know if
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: I'm allowed to say that, but she's crazy.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Something's not right there.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: That's something is really not right.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But I don't know about you. I would not have
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: made it as far as Tika has made it. No,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I would have been dead long time ago.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: She's incredible.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I am shocked, right, But I haven't given her the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: title you're thinking about just yet because there's a certain point.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: There's more.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: There's a certain point where I want to pin it
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: on because it just makes it all so.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Sweet because I'm like kind of been waiting. How is
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: he not? How can you tell him? How is he?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Just just wait for it, because there is one moment
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: where it just it's it makes sense. So hold on
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: to that thought.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So Tika was thankfully rushed into hospital and immediately went
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: into emergency surgery. When she woke up, she had the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: sight of her husband PJ sitting next to her at
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: her bedside.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Oh and she just probably just melted like of happiness.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was safe, she was alive, she was filled
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: with joy. But one question plagued her mind the moment
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: she regained consciousness the baby. What happened to her baby?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: What do you think happened to the baby.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Has to live? Like I'm sorry, but the mom can't
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: be that badass and the baby not lives like this,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like this needs to end. Well.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Well, just as she was about to ask this question,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: a nurse walked into the room the baby and congratulated
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: her on the birth of her healthy baby girl. O. Yes,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Tica and PJ named their daughter Miracle for obvious reasons.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dude, that makes me want to so hold.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: The look on your face when I said that, like.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Instantly, my eyes are just wandering. That's the most amazing
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: thing I've ever heard.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Oh you're good.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I'm good, but well I never expected that.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: So as for Stephanie, well, if you're not surprised to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: hear this, her name isn't actually Stephanie. Her name is
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Veronica Derrin Moose. She's forty one, and she definitely was
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: not part of a company that helped less fortunate women.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: No, she's freaking horrific person. Yeah you think so? Yeah, Yeah,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I think so as well. Yeah, I can't. I can't
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: stop thinking a little miracle. I'm really invested in this one.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Well, surprisingly, Stephanie or Veronica, I'll be calling her now. Surprisingly,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Veronica actually called the police on herself and turned herself in.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Really yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Now. A trial was held in November of twenty ten,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: where on a plea bargain she pled guilty but initially
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: claimed Tika had actually agreed to sell the baby for
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: five grand. Oh wow, right, what? I want to call
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: her all sorts of names just for that alone.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But I really think something's gone really bad for her.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely, definitely.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: What's her name?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Veronica?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Veronica? Like so, I think that she's probably suffering from
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: something pretty serious. But that's a pretty five grand. That's
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: like a real shit lie there.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can't. I can't imagine what someone would
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: have had to have gone through to, let alone contemplate
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: actually go through with the actions of Steele an other
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: woman's child.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: She came up with this crazy plan and went through
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: all the steps and and you can even tell through
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the story obviously that she struggled with what she was doing.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Because it took her too taught well two times and
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: she didn't even succeed.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like, what would put you in that position?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What would say, Okay, I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: am traumatized to the point that I am going to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: cut open your stomach and take your child from you
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: for my gain and think that's okay.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: And think that that's going to just end well.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Or even if it does you do get away with it,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: How do you think you're going to live with yourself
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: after that? Like, there's got like I can't imagine what
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: someone would have to go through to justify that to themselves.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So I do feel very bad for Veronica because I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: can only imagine what put her in that position. Yeah, however,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: she did do this act and it's like fuck you.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: You know, oh yeah, it was terrible. Yeah, And I'm
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: just do you touch on how she ended up finding.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Her like at this That just no, that's actually not
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: something I have ran across.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, Oka's wild.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: It would have clearly have been through the shelter of
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: some sort of way, But I'm not too certain how
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: whether she was scoping it out or.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: What Yeah, yeah, or could even been like volunteering there
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: or it just came across her or something. Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm not too certain. That's not something I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: managed to find. So Veronica was found guilty of first
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: degree assault and was sentenced to twenty five years in prison.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Oh okay. I was wondering how long it would be
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: because it's like murder assault, Like, I wasn't sure the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: difference in kind of time there.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And I do think that this is something that hasn't
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of like court time, like a fetal abduction.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm not too certain if there's like a standard
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: on what the sentencing should be. So I would imagine
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that would have been a difficult call for the court
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: process to do. Anyways, So on to the moment where
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I said that Tika has that moment to be given
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that title.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: So Tika, at twenty nine years old, brought her daughter
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: back into the courtroom to stand against her attacker, even
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: though she was already proven guilty. She didn't need to
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: stand up there, but she wanted to stand up there
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: to show Veronica exactly who she was and that she
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: didn't take her or her child. So Tika lives in
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: an apartment with her family now in DC. They are
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: no longer homeless and have turned their lives around, just
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: as they said they would. And I want to quote
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: something that Tika has said. She said this, I survived
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: because I was coming to a point in my life
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: where I started to love myself and respect myself and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: cherish life. I survived because of God and my support system.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people love me, and I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: know that my God loves me. And like they say,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: God looks after babies and fools, and I had a
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: baby and I was a fool.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Wow, hey, so do you.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Want to do the honors and give her the title?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I know with like literally just chills this one.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: H Yeah, she is one and ten percent like the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: badass of the day. More so I think, yes, she's
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: a title bigger than that.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah she is. She's well, she's our badass the day,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: through and through. Like there's I don't know how I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: could ever even hope to do something like she has done,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Not that I would hope to go through that, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: like to achieve that sort of like bad ass or
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Mean, No kidding, because I'm just thinking the amount of
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: blood that she would have lost and the fact that
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: she could, that she still could regain consciousness is mind blowing.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I do think the fact that it was over the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: course of a few days helped her in that situation.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's that makes sense.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she had an initial assault where she probably
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: would have lost quite a bit of blood, and then
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it was three days later where the second assault occurred. Right,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking within those few days her body was
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: able to help replenish the blood in her system.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, huh, I'm not too And because that chick I
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: still can't remember her name. I'm for some reason can't
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: remember either of her name for the life of me,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: which is fine. But she was, like you said, giving
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: her food and stuff too, Yeah, because that would have helped,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: because if she had no nourishment in those days, then
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: who knows how much she would have regained her strength
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Right yep, Yeah, that's totally fair.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So that is the tale of Tka Adams and her
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: little baby Miracle.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Oh I have never heard of this and that name. Okay,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Miracle has literally like a badass mom. Oh that would
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I do? I couldn't even imagine what she would do
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: to protect her like that's incredible. I mean, she already did. Gosh,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: she was protecting her at that time. Holy heck. Okay,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: so that my mind is going all over the place.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: This one I really am wasn't expecting.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Why do I feel like as soon as these mics
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: are turned off, the waterwork's going to turn on for you?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think they will. My eyes did water when
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you announced her name, because.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: They're watering right now.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: No, they're not.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I'm fine, they're glistening.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Fine, I'm fine. Everything's fine. This was a story that
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I just really wasn't expecting for some reason. I don't
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: know why. I don't know why. Maybe I'm just emotional.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's an emotional day.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: No, that's totally fair. All right, Well, thanks for listening, guys.
• 39:28
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• 39:31
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• 39:35
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• 39:37
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• 39:40
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• 39:42
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• 39:43
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• 39:46
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• 39:49
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• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a good welcome back episode here.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: It was a heavy one, but it had a good ending,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: so I like it. Yeah. So well done, Thank you
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and of course until next time. Until next time, stay wicked.