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Pod of Gold (A conversation with Marc Spindler/Notre Dame vs Stanford) · Pod of Gold: Notre Dame Football

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  S1: Recorded at the WNBA to 16 News Now Studios. This
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  S1: is the South Bend Tribune's pot of gold Notre Dame
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  S1: football podcast. Here are your hosts, columnist Tom Knoy. Notre
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  S1: Dame football beat writer.
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  UU: Mike Berardino and Wndu S Jackson Neal.
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  S2: We are coming in hot on this pot of gold
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  S2: because we're coming off a bye week, so we should
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  S2: be fresh, right? Bye week. No football last week. No pod,
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  S2: no game day. No nothing. Stanford Notre Dame, Stanford two
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  S2: and three. Notre Dame four and one. The Cardinal have
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  S2: been outscored their last two ACC games, both losses at
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  S2: Clemson and at home to Virginia Tech, 7121, kick off
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  S2: just after 330 at the stadium. NBC and Peacock. What
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  S2: do we need to see? Mike Berardino that's Mike, that's
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  S2: Jackson sans tie, as usual. Keep it casual. Mike Berardino.
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  S2: What do we need to see from Notre Dame coming
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  S2: off this bye week and heading into this next three
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  S2: game stretch? Stanford, Georgia Tech, Navy starting Saturday with Stanford.
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  S3: What do they need to see this Saturday? Why don't
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  S3: we just confine it to this Saturday? No messing around,
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  S3: no messing around. Start fast. No. A good start would
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  S3: be not fumbling away. The opening kickoff to start with that.
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  S2: That would be nice.
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  S3: To start with that building blocks and then try to
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  S3: try to carry over some of the offensive efficiency that
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  S3: you saw at times, not throughout, but at times. And
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  S3: try to, you know, basically dispatch a Stanford team that's
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  S3: begging for dispatching.
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  S2: Are they begging for dispatching? They're begging.
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  S3: For it. They're not saying it out loud, but with
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  S3: their performance, I mean, they did win at Syracuse.
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  S2: Which seems like a month ago.
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  S3: Yeah. I, you know, and some quarterback uncertainty. You don't
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  S3: know if you're getting Ashton Daniels who's pretty solid or
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  S3: the guy who went to Ian Brooks High School.
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  S2: You don't need that. That's just how he's referred to. He's.
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  S2: He went to Ian Brooks High School.
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  S3: That's all I'm recalling.
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  S2: El Dorado, California. Jackson, this is a really bad Stanford team,
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  S2: isn't it? Yeah. It's not a good.
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  S4: Stanford team really at all, like you mentioned. Especially. No.
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  S4: Ashton Daniels. I mean, then that's kind of.
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  S3: I think he will play. He was available the other day.
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  S4: Yeah. They're saying he's available, but still, I'm.
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  S3: Happy to take a one sided loss at home to
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  S3: Virginia Tech. Yeah, that's kind of where they're at.
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  S2: They were happy about it. They're happy.
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  S3: They're fine. They didn't bring Ashton Daniels into the game
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  S3: although he was available.
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  S2: Yeah they better bring. They better play. Ashton Daniels he's
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  S2: one of my top four guys to watch. Because if
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  S2: they don't have Ashton there there's they've got no chance.
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  S3: Mosley five.
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  S2: There you go. Maybe. Yeah. Or Rick Meyer's son Charlie.
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  S3: Huh. A lot.
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  S2: Of Notre Dame connections.
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  S3: I believe. Third string. I don't know. Third or more.
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  S2: Is he a walk on?
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  S3: I don't know what he got. What do I got? Yeah.
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  S3: What do you got? I'm sorry to interrupt.
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  S2: Oh, yeah. This is. This is how Stanford views its football.
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  S2: All right, I'm going to bang on Stanford here for
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  S2: a few minutes. I went to the Stanford website to
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  S2: get some stats off of the website. Yes. Has not
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  S2: been updated since week two. Wow.
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  S3: That's not week two. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, the stats.
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  S2: The stats. I'm looking at stats.
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  S3: I saw notes, you know, I've. I've seen their notes.
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  S2: Their notes have been updated.
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  S3: Notes. I kind of like their notes. They, they they
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  S3: stray beyond just the football gostanford.com.
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  S2: I went to stats PDF file. It has the game
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  S2: against TCU and the game against Cal Poly. And after
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  S2: that nothing else has happened. Stanford football wise I'm surprised.
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  S4: No Syracuse. They thought you would want to keep that. No.
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  S2: Get that win in there. So no Syracuse, no Clemson,
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  S2: no Virginia Tech. Maybe the notes have updated stats, but
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  S2: the stats section of the of the Stanford website has
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  S2: not been updated.
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  S3: I don't know what you're talking about. I, I.
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  S2: Look, look, I'm looking at see that. You see that
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  S2: right there?
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  S3: Yeah. Well you see this? No, I don't want to
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  S3: mess mine up. But I went through now I went
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  S3: through it. Could be the portal you're using. It might
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  S3: be the portal you might have jumped in I in
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  S3: the portal.
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  S2: My portal.
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  S3: In this era of portals portal, portal. I used the
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  S3: college and this year I've just made a big switch.
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  S3: Jackson I don't know if you do this, but I
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  S3: finally decided it's just easier to, uh, to grab and
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  S3: hold on my. You know, I have every window possible open,
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  S3: so I have college press Box.com, uh, through my subscription
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  S3: to the Football Writers Association of America, and it's really usable.
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  S3: It breaks it all down, but I really want to
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  S3: give them a shout out. There you go. Can we
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  S3: have the guy, the voiceover guy do that shout out
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  S3: and um, we'll look into that. They do a nice job.
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  S3: And so this is where I can tell you that.
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  S3: What do you want to know about the, uh, Stanford situation?
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  S3: He's the starting quarterback. You're your point was, what do
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  S3: they really think about their football at this point? 36,277
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  S3: officially witnessed that, uh, Virginia Tech 31 seven home loss.
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  S2: And that stadium holds, what.
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  S3: 50? They keep downsizing it by the day.
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  S2: And it's still not it's still not enough.
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  S3: Yeah. It's, um I was disappointed in my my son
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  S3: now lives in Palo Alto and he's right down the road.
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  S3: He's in grad school at, uh, at at Cal. He's
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  S3: a Berkeley guy, so he really could have done a
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  S3: double header that Chuck Culpepper did, and I was on
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  S3: him about it. I was, you know, do that. Make
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  S3: sure you get one of those games. He went zero
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  S3: for two and that's where Stanford is. He could have
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  S3: just ridden his bike down the road and and walked
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  S3: in for free. No interest. Yeah I mean no interest.
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  S3: It's a shame.
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  S2: Stanford football.
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  S3: ACC baby.
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  S4: He keeps throwing me off.
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  S2: We are in the ACC swing Stanford is an ACC school.
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  S2: And that will that kind of brings up one of
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  S2: the topics that we want to talk to. Talk about
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  S2: what happens in this series next year. You know, how
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  S2: Notre Dame always wants to go to California and end
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  S2: the regular season in California? They do it every other year.
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  S2: This year they'll be in Los Angeles against Southern California
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  S2: next year. The odd years it's usually in Palo Alto
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  S2: against Stanford. That's game is not on the schedule for
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  S2: next year, which is.
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  S3: At the moment.
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  S2: At the moment, how much.
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  S3: Room they got. He had a couple slots.
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  S2: I believe Notre Dame has one room for one game.
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  S3: Yeah. And you have to think the ACC kind of
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  S3: making this up as they go. The natural rival you
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  S3: got within you know for not I mean I don't
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  S3: do you think Notre Dame fans care if this game
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  S3: goes off the schedule. Probably not. If, if uh you
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  S3: know but it is my kids there. I want to stay.
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  S2: You want to go to Stanford?
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  S3: Yeah. Yeah. It's an easy way to check in and
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  S3: yell at them, but, uh. Yeah, it's. I kind of
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  S3: hope it stays on there. You know, it's one of
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  S3: the rivalries at this moment where they get trophies, you know?
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  S3: And if you lose, it's a trophy game over the trophy.
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  S3: Trophy game. And so Notre Dame at this point still
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  S3: in possession of all the trophies in the rivalries. And
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  S3: a couple more will be on the well. One more
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  S3: will be on the on the at risk with Navy
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  S3: in a couple of weeks.
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  S2: Some quick hitters here before we get to our guest
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  S2: Boubacar Traore Try. As we kind of feared and figured
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  S2: out for the year, torn ACL might be a little
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  S2: more serious than that. Some of the rumblings coming out
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  S2: of Notre Dame. So he's gone. The second Viper to
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  S2: be gone for the season. I saw Jordan Botelho limping
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  S2: out of the GUG after interviews on Tuesday night. He's
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  S2: he was hurt in the Purdue game. So they're down
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  S2: to their third string Viper defensive end who is junior Tuihalamaka.
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  S2: There you go. It's easier to say it than spell
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  S2: it playmaker.
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  S3: He's been a playmaker.
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  S2: Yeah a playmaker.
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  S3: Had that interception down in the in the deep red zone.
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  S3: And you know that Josh Burnham may be back. And
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  S3: he can kind of play both sides. Even though he's
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  S3: beefed up to 250 plus pounds. And then there's Logan
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  S3: Thomas which is interesting. He's he's number. He's you know
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  S3: he's climbing that depth chart with a bullet because the
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  S3: people there's opportunity.
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  S2: So Troy gone for the year questionable for the Stanford
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  S2: game Cooper Flanagan with a foot Gabe Rubio. We have
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  S2: still not seen. He's been out for the season after
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  S2: foot surgery. Billy Strauss they list him as questionable, I
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  S2: don't know with the high ankle sprain that he suffered
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  S2: against Purdue. I don't know if if this week is
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  S2: the week to get him back. So those players are questionable,
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  S2: probable Jordan Faison, who we thought might have been lost
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  S2: for a couple of weeks with the ankle against Louisville.
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  S2: Josh Burnham, as we mentioned, he's back. And then also
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  S2: Christian Gray who missed the Louisville game, which we will
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  S2: touch on very briefly with Leonard Moore playing, what, 73
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  S2: snaps against Louisville in his first career start as a
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  S2: true freshman in place of Christian Gray. I believe.
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  S3: He played all 7676 snaps.
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  S2: For a freshman. Just incredible. You haven't done anything all year.
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  S2: Go play 76 snaps against Louisville.
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  S3: Well, he did have the opportunity to get out there
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  S3: a little bit against Purdue. That was helpful.
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  S2: I think you and I could have played five snaps.
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  S2: We could have.
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  S3: Held. We could have held him down there. That's why.
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  S3: That's why Graham Harrell is in the portal.
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  S2: I think Jackson could have had a couple of like
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  S2: three pbus against the Boilermakers, especially in.
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  S4: The second half there.
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  S2: Come on. They are not a good football team right now.
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  S3: No. Yeah. Let's. In fairness to. Yeah. Let's just be
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  S3: specific there because I have a I have a spreadsheet.
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  S3: The Leonard Moore got the 27 snaps at Purdue. He
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  S3: got 23 against Miami. They've been ramping him up. And
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  S3: that's where Jaden Mickey kind of sensed the situation. And
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  S3: and and is in the portal or will be. And
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  S3: then Leonard Moore bumps up to being you know because
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  S3: Christian Gray was out. They expect Christian Gray back this week.
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  S3: That would be helpful. Um, but you know, you got
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  S3: to see Jordan Clark's versatility. And he was in the
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  S3: news quite a bit here. Uh, both the social media
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  S3: way and then of course, the traditional way here and
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  S3: handled it very well, I thought speaking of Chris Bell,
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  S3: the wide receiver from Louisville who has been given, you know,
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  S3: a couple of opportunities by their media, I believe, and
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  S3: and other people in his circle that I've reached out to,
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  S3: and he's been silent on this. So we can only
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  S3: assume that what Jordan Clark has said, that he, this fellow,
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  S3: spit in his face and punched him. That was added
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  S3: to it. Yesterday we had a punch, a punch. And
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  S3: that's how you ended up with the 15 yard penalty
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  S3: and and a teaching point.
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  S2: And how did Jordan Clark handle that? He was one
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  S2: of the 4 or 5 players that we talked to
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  S2: on Tuesday. You talked with Jordan Clark. Yeah, yeah.
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  S3: I thought he handled it very.
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  S2: Well. He knew it was coming, so he knew he
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  S2: was going to have to address it. He was was
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  S2: upfront about it.
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  S3: He's a you know he's a podcaster. So as.
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  S2: He's coming after Jackson's job.
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  S3: As fellow not as.
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  S2: Writer guys, he's coming after the TV.
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  S3: Not only is he a podcaster, but it seems like
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  S3: they're eating ice cream every time he does a podcast.
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  S3: So can you work on that?
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  S4: Yeah, we should work. I think we should work on that.
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  S3: Yeah, something. Some smoothies, maybe brought to you by milkshake or.
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  S4: Something like that.
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  S3: So we're just sitting here, you know, I got some water,
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  S3: but no, he he was very good on it, and
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  S3: but it is a you know, just fascinating case because
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  S3: what where is the line? How far? What can you
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  S3: when can you respond? How do you respond? What's what's
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  S3: appropriate response to just fly off the handle within the
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  S3: confines of a within the white lines? Uh, that's pretty egregious.
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  S3: That's about I mean, there are levels perhaps, maybe beyond that,
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  S3: but it's just about as far as you can go without, like,
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  S3: breaking the law. And although it's kind of assault if
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  S3: he punched him, but, uh. Uh, yeah, Jordan Clark's very,
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  S3: you know, he's sixth year guy played almost 2100 career
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  S3: snaps and and it made him snap a few play
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  S3: a few plays later a different series. But after a
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  S3: quick three and out, as we noted in the South
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  S3: Bend Tribune today, as we kind of deconstructed it, he
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  S3: had a little time to think about it. It wasn't like, boom,
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  S3: you know, you're the front. The assault happened and you boom,
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  S3: you do this? No. You had you were on the
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  S3: sideline a little bit. You had some time to think
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  S3: about it. It was premeditated, and I don't believe he'll
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  S3: do it again.
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  S2: Wrapping up some Stanford talk here. Uh, history. Notre Dame
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  S2: leads the all time series 23 to 14. First meeting.
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  S2: I know Jackson remembers this one. 1925 Rose Bowl, Notre
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  S2: Dame 27, Stanford ten. And the last meeting, the last
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  S2: Irish win. Mike Berardino was out in the aforementioned Palo Alto, California, 2023.
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  S2: Notre Dame won 56 to 23. That was the game
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  S2: where every time Audric Estime got the ball, he looked
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  S2: like he was going to run for 75 yards and
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  S2: they trailed in that game, right? Remember Marcus Freeman said
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  S2: on Monday at one point in that game, early in
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  S2: the first half they were trailing Stanford and then they
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  S2: hung 56 on them.
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  S3: Yeah, they had a hard time. They had a hard
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  S3: time holding on to the ball. Hartman fumbled early on
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  S3: the first series and at the end of a run,
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  S3: I believe, and of course, they had a goal line
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  S3: fumble that led to some sideline, um, exchange between Audric Estime,
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  S3: Marcus Freeman and Dylan McCullough. but all was good. Always
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  S3: love teaching points. We have teaching points. There was just
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  S3: I think it was just like, hey, I'm right here.
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  S3: I'll be turning pro soon.
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  S2: You might want to give me the ball.
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  S3: I'd like to opt in on the goal line. Yes, please.
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  S3: And and that didn't happen. That was how they ended
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  S3: up trailing longer than they should have. I remember Jack
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  S3: Kaiser had a big interception in return. And and then
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  S3: it got silly and it should get silly pretty early
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  S3: this week, but we haven't. We said that before.
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  S2: We have said that before. And I'm not going to
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  S2: say it again, because I think the last time we
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  S2: said that for a home game was Northern Illinois. Yep.
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  S2: And some knucklehead me picked Notre Dame to win 44
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  S2: to 3.
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  S3: Oh yeah. Everybody picked Notre Dame to win that one.
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  S3: And uh, but uh yeah they're going to play the
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  S3: game ACC uh scheduling partner and uh, perhaps a future
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  S3: rivalry game or not. That hasn't always been.
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  S2: That remains to be seen. And speaking of games, before
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  S2: we take our take a break here. Let's let's also
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  S2: throw in the fact that the Notre Dame Georgia Tech
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  S2: game from Mercedes-Benz Stadium. The kickoff has been announced. October 19th.
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  S2: That is the following weekend after the Stanford game. It's
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  S2: Notre Dame and Georgia Tech from downtown Atlanta, not midtown,
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  S2: at 330 in the afternoon. ESPN has the the telecast.
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  S2: There was talk that maybe it might start at noon.
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  S2: Doubtful that it was going to start at 8:00 because
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  S2: they have to flip that stadium back for a Falcons
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  S2: game the next day. So Mike Berardino will be flying
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  S2: solo in Atlanta next week with a 330 kickoff.
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  S3: All you know, weather events willing. We think about the
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  S3: people in the southeast who are who've gone through it
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  S3: and are about to go through it again with Milton. Yes,
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  S3: I know my way around the hurricane, so no fun. But, um, yeah,
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  S3: it should. That's. I've been in the old Georgia Dome,
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  S3: but I guess. What did they knock it down and
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  S3: did they? They knocked the old Georgia Dome down to
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  S3: build this new.
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  S2: No, I think they left it.
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  S3: Is it still there?
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  S2: Well, they left it. They built Mercedes-Benz. They left the
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  S2: Georgia Dome once Mercedes-Benz was finished, I think. Then they
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  S2: they knocked down the Georgia Dome.
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  S3: Georgia Dome was perfectly fine.
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  S2: Right. Which was like how.
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  S3: Old they had Super Bowl in it in the 90s.
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  S3: He would do SEC championships. It was fine.
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  S2: It was, it was it was nothing.
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  S3: No, there were no problem. Wasn't even leaking. And but
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  S3: they just must have so much extra cash to throw
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  S3: around Arthur Blank and all those people. And they got,
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  S3: they got a new stadium. And now Notre Dame likes
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  S3: to go into pro stadiums and tends to do pretty
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  S3: well in the pro stadiums. There you.
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  S2: Go. So after these messages we will touch on Irish Rewind.
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  S2: So we'll be right back. Pleased to be joined now
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  S2: by Mark Spindler, the father of Notre Dame offensive guard
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  S2: Rocco Spindler. Notre Dame back off a bye week. What
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  S2: does a parent do during the bye week? Did you
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  S2: go like apple picking or something like that last weekend?
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  S5: Well, I actually went to, uh, one of my big
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  S5: hunting ranches up north in upstate New York, big time whitetails. And, uh,
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  S5: got back early enough to go to my ranch and
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  S5: spend some time with Rocco over there. We just we
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  S5: love the outdoors. We love to just, uh, you know,
• 16:02
  S5: just enjoy it when we have the opportunity to do it, when.
• 16:05
  S2: He wants to get away and not talk football. What
• 16:07
  S2: do you guys do besides hunting?
• 16:10
  S5: Well, what does he do? He just goes to the farm.
• 16:12
  S5: He hangs out there? Yeah, he has a new puppy. So, uh,
• 16:16
  S5: he and he and his puppy, Paulie spend a lot
• 16:18
  S5: of time together, so, you know, that's what I would say.
• 16:21
  S5: What he really does is he stays away from me
• 16:24
  S5: when he doesn't want to talk football.
• 16:25
  S2: Because all you do is talk football with him.
• 16:28
  S5: No, no, I actually, you know, contrary. I really don't
• 16:32
  S5: talk too much football. I just try to manage his
• 16:35
  S5: mind a little bit. Um, in certain circumstances and situations.
• 16:39
  S5: I mean, really outside of, you know, this Notre Dame
• 16:42
  S5: you know stint that that he's he's involved in for
• 16:45
  S5: the last four years. You know football really I don't
• 16:49
  S5: want to say it was such a big part of
• 16:51
  S5: my life, you know, for so many years that, you know,
• 16:54
  S5: I just find other things so much more interesting, you know,
• 16:57
  S5: contrary to what some people might believe. So football is
• 17:00
  S5: really not a big portion of my life. And if
• 17:02
  S5: it wasn't for him and what he's involved in, I
• 17:05
  S5: would probably just spend some Saturdays and some Sundays, you know,
• 17:09
  S5: just checking in to see what's going on so I
• 17:11
  S5: can stay, you know, a little bit abreast of the situations.
• 17:15
  S3: Hey, Mark, tell us about this. The this program through
• 17:19
  S3: Duke Cannon that that you guys are making promotional appearances for.
• 17:24
  S3: And this is part of what brings us together today.
• 17:26
  S3: We're fortunate to have you with us. Um, but the idea,
• 17:30
  S3: I mean, I watched the the documentary series that was
• 17:33
  S3: it was basically hard knocks on on focusing. Episode two
• 17:37
  S3: focuses almost exclusively on your boy. And really pretty cool.
• 17:42
  S3: I mean, how did how did that come about? How
• 17:44
  S3: did you hear about it initially? And what and what
• 17:47
  S3: do you think of the finished product?
• 17:49
  S5: Well, I thought the finished product was was absolutely excellent.
• 17:52
  S5: I mean, there was I believe it was four different
• 17:54
  S5: offensive linemen. And you know, I believe Duke Cannon, just
• 17:58
  S5: a company that really they just get it. And you
• 18:01
  S5: know and no one embodies the product more than, you know,
• 18:04
  S5: big rough and burly, you know offensive lineman. And when
• 18:07
  S5: you know I think we all have an understanding that
• 18:10
  S5: really the lowest glory getters on the totem pole are
• 18:14
  S5: offensive linemen. And I was a defensive lineman. You could really,
• 18:17
  S5: you know, make your own cake or make your own
• 18:19
  S5: hay by sacking the quarterback or making a big play.
• 18:21
  S5: And you stand out where offensive linemen, they don't get that.
• 18:24
  S5: But yet when you talk about what really embodies, um,
• 18:27
  S5: you know, big, strong, fast selflessness, um, you know, team player, um,
• 18:34
  S5: you know, and big and burly. I mean, there's no
• 18:37
  S5: better or better than an offensive line. So I just
• 18:39
  S5: think the product, both physically as well as it goes
• 18:43
  S5: with the offensive linemen, just go hand in hand. And
• 18:45
  S5: so when they, you know, Rocco actually brought, you know,
• 18:48
  S5: the deal to my attention. And you know I'm not
• 18:51
  S5: going to say I signed off on it. But I
• 18:52
  S5: just thought it was a great opportunity to get some exposure.
• 18:55
  S5: And then, you know, reviewing the product and the product
• 18:57
  S5: lines that they have, I just thought was outstanding.
• 18:59
  S3: I mean, we're talking about the five offensive linemen in
• 19:02
  S3: this series. I guess each one pretty much gets to
• 19:05
  S3: be the the star of one episode. And of course
• 19:07
  S3: they kind of intersperse. We see Rocco in more than one. Um,
• 19:11
  S3: but University of Alabama Tyler Booker, Texas's Kelvin Banks junior,
• 19:16
  S3: Arkansas Addison Nichols, the center, and Clemson's Tristan Lee and
• 19:20
  S3: Rocco Spindler is pretty cool. Um, and these guys make
• 19:24
  S3: Duke Cannon, which is a great name for a big
• 19:27
  S3: burly guys, creators of premium men's grooming products made for
• 19:32
  S3: hard working men. So I would imagine you guys never
• 19:35
  S3: have to worry about going to target again or anything
• 19:38
  S3: like that. You you are good to go.
• 19:40
  S2: You're always smelling good grooming products.
• 19:42
  S3: Is that how it works? Where do you keep all
• 19:43
  S3: these grooming products?
• 19:45
  S5: Well you can well, I mean, there's a lot of them.
• 19:48
  S5: So you have to have your own shelf, I think.
• 19:50
  S5: I think Mrs. Spindler starting to, you know, start to
• 19:52
  S5: think like, you know, if it wasn't for the product itself,
• 19:55
  S5: she might just start to call me like that old term,
• 19:57
  S5: that metrosexual. But, you know, you know, the big guys,
• 20:00
  S5: the big fellas. We want to we want to look
• 20:02
  S5: good when we need to look good as well, right?
• 20:04
  S5: I mean, absolutely. About the outdoors. It's just not about
• 20:07
  S5: being sweaty on the football field. I mean, after a
• 20:09
  S5: hard day's work, we want to come home and we
• 20:12
  S5: want to. We want to look good for our significant
• 20:14
  S5: other as well. So no better way to do that
• 20:16
  S5: than get yourself groomed up at the Duke. Canon products.
• 20:20
  S3: Jackson probably would like some Duke.
• 20:22
  S4: Yeah, I was gonna say that sounds for a TV guy.
• 20:25
  S4: That sounds like a perfect thing for me. Yeah. Mark.
• 20:29
  S3: Jackson, what do you got?
• 20:31
  S4: All right. Mark, I'm just interested, you know, as a
• 20:33
  S4: former player yourself, just, you know, we kind of mentioned
• 20:35
  S4: you talked a little bit with Rocco. You know, you
• 20:37
  S4: don't always talk about football, but I'm just wondering off
• 20:39
  S4: the field, where do you kind of help? Where do
• 20:41
  S4: you notice you can really help him out now in
• 20:43
  S4: his college career?
• 20:44
  S5: I really think it's it has always been the mental aspect.
• 20:48
  S5: I mean, the physical portion will take care of itself
• 20:50
  S5: if you put your, you know, you put people or
• 20:53
  S5: you put your children in a place where you know,
• 20:56
  S5: you believe and you trust the process with the coaching staff,
• 20:58
  S5: some of that will just take care of itself. And
• 21:00
  S5: although I can help in certain areas with that. Um,
• 21:03
  S5: I think it's about the mental aspect not only on
• 21:06
  S5: the field, but off the field and trying to coach,
• 21:09
  S5: you know, Rocco, through certain situations because of the experience
• 21:13
  S5: that you have. You know, it's one thing I tell him,
• 21:15
  S5: experience we have as parents, right. I'm going to be
• 21:18
  S5: 55 years old. And I told him, that's one thing
• 21:20
  S5: you're never going to catch me with is age and time,
• 21:23
  S5: you know? So, um, you know, you have to, you know,
• 21:26
  S5: use those experiences as a parent, as a friend, you know, um,
• 21:32
  S5: as a mentor to be able to help expedite some
• 21:35
  S5: of these learning curves that some of these younger individuals
• 21:38
  S5: go through today. It's not, you know, let's face it.
• 21:40
  S5: It's just it's not I'm not going to say it
• 21:42
  S5: was easy in the past, but there's a lot of
• 21:44
  S5: distractions that are out there in 2000 and, you know,
• 21:47
  S5: 24 for these younger individuals and to help try to
• 21:50
  S5: keep them on track and try to expedite some of
• 21:53
  S5: these situations for them. You know, I think it's a
• 21:55
  S5: responsibility of, of a parent or a mentor to be
• 21:58
  S5: able to help with that. And that's that's what I
• 22:00
  S5: try to do.
• 22:01
  S2: Mark, what experience did you have either at when you
• 22:03
  S2: were playing collegiately at Pitt or in the NFL as
• 22:05
  S2: far as dealing with injury and what Rocco had to
• 22:08
  S2: deal with late last season?
• 22:10
  S5: Yeah, I unfortunately I'd been there. I mean, I was
• 22:15
  S5: there in my, my last game of my college career and, uh,
• 22:19
  S5: you know, I tore my I tore my ACL, and
• 22:21
  S5: I went from the first round to the third round.
• 22:25
  S5: Humility and adversity. You have to have the ability to
• 22:27
  S5: be able to overcome it. And then when I was
• 22:29
  S5: in my contract year, my first year in the NFL, um, Ironically,
• 22:33
  S5: I suffered a significant high ankle sprain that took me
• 22:36
  S5: out for about 8 to 10 weeks and cost me,
• 22:39
  S5: you know, a significant amount of income at that time.
• 22:41
  S5: And so what you do is you just try to
• 22:43
  S5: keep your mind mentally in the game and say like,
• 22:45
  S5: one moment or one game or one season is not
• 22:48
  S5: going to define who you are. And if it did
• 22:51
  S5: or it does, then you're probably not the person that
• 22:53
  S5: we raised you to be. And so you have to
• 22:55
  S5: really keep the mind space, the head space going forward, saying, look,
• 22:59
  S5: now's the time. You have to double down. You really
• 23:02
  S5: have to take care of yourself more so than ever before. And,
• 23:06
  S5: you know, you take the, you know, the last several
• 23:08
  S5: weeks of the season, um, and go into the off
• 23:11
  S5: season and you have to have a plan. The plan
• 23:14
  S5: has to be clear, concise, compelling, and it has to
• 23:16
  S5: be 100% committed to get back on track. And, you know,
• 23:19
  S5: I was really proud the way that he responded and
• 23:21
  S5: got himself ready, you know, for spring ball, I thought
• 23:24
  S5: coming out of the spring that he I didn't think
• 23:27
  S5: I mean, coming out of the spring, I thought he
• 23:28
  S5: was their best offensive lineman. I thought he played extremely
• 23:30
  S5: well in the spring and I'm not quite sure what happened,
• 23:34
  S5: you know, in fall camp.
• 23:35
  S2: I don't think any of us are.
• 23:37
  S5: You know, certain circumstances happen for certain reasons. And what
• 23:41
  S5: I told him was, uh, look, how this thing is
• 23:44
  S5: going to start is not going to be how it's
• 23:46
  S5: going to end. And that's all I can say.
• 23:48
  S2: You talked about the distractions of a college football player
• 23:51
  S2: for someone who played collegiately, and now you have Nil
• 23:55
  S2: and the transfer portal and all the nonsense that goes
• 23:58
  S2: on with college football. Do you recognize college football anymore?
• 24:02
  S5: It's it's just one big word. It's a business. It
• 24:05
  S5: had already had had always been a business, but now
• 24:08
  S5: they just let the other half participate in it. And
• 24:12
  S5: it's definitely a it's I, it's a it's a different
• 24:16
  S5: game from one aspect, but clearly it's the same game. It's,
• 24:21
  S5: it's played between the lines and you have to line
• 24:23
  S5: up and you have to play. But from the distraction
• 24:24
  S5: aspect of it, it's something that I myself have a
• 24:27
  S5: hard time associating with because, you know, we had distractions
• 24:31
  S5: back then, but I was so laser focused, the way
• 24:35
  S5: that I ate, the way that I slept, the rituals
• 24:37
  S5: and habits. And, you know, we didn't really have these
• 24:39
  S5: things yet. I had like, you know, I had this
• 24:42
  S5: big Wolfman walkie talkie phone that was here that you
• 24:45
  S5: didn't even want to pull out, right? And so, you know,
• 24:49
  S5: every single aspect of social media or media and what
• 24:53
  S5: is being written, what's being said and what's going on
• 24:56
  S5: is just right there, you know, instantly in your hand.
• 25:00
  S5: And so I believe you have to really manage. And
• 25:04
  S5: the great ones have the ability to be able to
• 25:06
  S5: manage through those distractions because we're talking, let's face it,
• 25:08
  S5: some of these higher, you know, um, you know, athletes
• 25:12
  S5: that are in the college game, they're getting millions of dollars. Millions.
• 25:16
  S5: It's it's it's it's totally crazy. But I support it 100%.
• 25:20
  S2: What kind of NFL deal would you have had if
• 25:23
  S2: you when you were at Pittsburgh? Uh, like a deal
• 25:26
  S2: with Primanti brothers. Besides.
• 25:29
  S5: I I probably, I probably would have had a pretty
• 25:32
  S5: darn good one. I mean, you know, off the record,
• 25:35
  S5: I had a pretty good deal to begin with. Wow.
• 25:37
  S5: That's right.
• 25:38
  S3: Number one recruit in the country.
• 25:40
  S5: Yeah. Listen, rumor rumors have it that some of the
• 25:43
  S5: deals that were done prior to Nidal deals were bigger
• 25:46
  S5: than nil. Deal. I'm just saying, guys, you're not saying.
• 25:50
  S2: But you're saying. Yeah.
• 25:52
  S5: Hey, maybe it was the reason why he didn't go
• 25:53
  S5: to Notre Dame.
• 25:55
  S3: Well, that's a that's a no doubt. That's a good
• 25:58
  S3: segue though, because one of the things, you know, that
• 26:01
  S3: the that the Duke Cannon documentary series does so well
• 26:04
  S3: is pay tribute to your dad and, and give you
• 26:07
  S3: guys a chance to talk about George Spindler and what
• 26:10
  S3: Notre Dame meant to him. And, you know, it's a
• 26:12
  S3: story that that we've had a chance to it's been
• 26:14
  S3: written here in this area. But for the nation to
• 26:17
  S3: see that and I and I encourage everybody to check
• 26:19
  S3: it out on YouTube, it's episode two and just type
• 26:22
  S3: in Duke Cannon and Rocco Spindler and you'll find it.
• 26:24
  S3: But what do you think? Your dad's. He's been gone
• 26:28
  S3: for a few years now, but can maybe explain to
• 26:30
  S3: people again what Notre Dame meant to him. What how
• 26:33
  S3: that led to Rocco, uh, ending up at Notre Dame
• 26:37
  S3: and and what would your dad think now?
• 26:40
  S5: Well, he he he had always been this huge Notre
• 26:42
  S5: Dame fan all the way through high school. My high
• 26:44
  S5: school years and as it, you know, came to the decision.
• 26:49
  S5: I mean, he clearly knew that, you know, through my
• 26:52
  S5: grumblings that Notre Dame just wasn't the place for me.
• 26:54
  S5: It just didn't seem to fit. I seemed to want
• 26:57
  S5: to gravitate more towards what was a city type of
• 26:59
  S5: campus and a little bit more, you know, outgoingness, we'll
• 27:03
  S5: leave it at that. And so he finally said, look,
• 27:06
  S5: it's your decision. You do what you want to do.
• 27:08
  S5: And ultimately he allowed me to go ahead and do that,
• 27:11
  S5: and I respect that. And then, you know, but, you know,
• 27:15
  S5: every single chance that he had to send a zinger
• 27:18
  S5: my way, he sent a zinger my way, you know,
• 27:21
  S5: all the way through college when we, you know, when
• 27:24
  S5: Notre Dame won, you know, the national championship and all
• 27:27
  S5: the way through. When I was retired in the NFL
• 27:29
  S5: and the two offensive linemen went in the first round.
• 27:33
  S5: I still have that call on my cell phone. You know,
• 27:37
  S5: his message that I listened to today and he really said,
• 27:40
  S5: you're going to be making a really big mistake if
• 27:42
  S5: you don't send your son there. You know, not only
• 27:44
  S5: for the athletic portion of it, but for the academic
• 27:47
  S5: portion of it. And, you know, that was something that
• 27:49
  S5: gravitated with me. I didn't want to push Rocco with that.
• 27:52
  S5: But clearly Rocco and his grandfather, you know, um, had
• 27:56
  S5: a bond that's probably beyond description. And I'll just remember,
• 28:01
  S5: you know, I knew my dad was sick, and I
• 28:03
  S5: decided to go back to Scranton, Pennsylvania, and I asked
• 28:06
  S5: Rocco if he wanted to join me because I had
• 28:09
  S5: a funny feeling that this could be, you know, the
• 28:11
  S5: last time I see him. And there's nothing like, you know,
• 28:14
  S5: you know, you're looking at your dad for the last time, going,
• 28:16
  S5: I think this is gonna be the last time I'm
• 28:17
  S5: going to see my dad alive. And we spent the
• 28:20
  S5: week with him. And then when we were leaving, I
• 28:22
  S5: walked out thinking my son would be writing back at me.
• 28:24
  S5: And he wasn't. When I looked back over my shoulder,
• 28:26
  S5: he was leaning over the bed and he was whispering
• 28:29
  S5: in his ear. And I'll never forget that. He shook
• 28:33
  S5: my son's hand. And he was, he was he was like,
• 28:36
  S5: doing this here. And I'm like, I don't know what
• 28:38
  S5: that's about, but I'll never ask him until this day.
• 28:41
  S5: I never asked him what that conversation was. And until
• 28:45
  S5: that Duke Cannon promotion came out, that was the first
• 28:49
  S5: time I heard this is what they had actually discussed
• 28:52
  S5: and or actually what he had told them. And I guess,
• 28:55
  S5: you know, he wanted him to know, and he must
• 28:57
  S5: have sensed in his heart that he was probably wasn't
• 29:00
  S5: going to be around for much longer. And he told
• 29:02
  S5: his grandfather that, look, I'm going to fulfill your dream
• 29:04
  S5: and your wish, and I'm going to go to Notre Dame.
• 29:06
  S5: And I gotta tell you, you know, it just gives
• 29:09
  S5: me chills, can bring tears to my eyes to understand.
• 29:12
  S5: A young man made such a big decision because he
• 29:15
  S5: wanted to fulfill, you know, a promise that he had
• 29:18
  S5: made to his grandfather when he was a little boy.
• 29:21
  S2: How much closer do you feel to your dad when
• 29:25
  S2: you're here or on a on a football weekend, like
• 29:28
  S2: is there is there something around campus that that you
• 29:31
  S2: look at and it, it, it brings up a memory
• 29:36
  S2: or something where you're like, you know what, dad, this
• 29:39
  S2: is kind of cool.
• 29:40
  S5: Yeah. It's really it's it's bittersweet to be, to be
• 29:43
  S5: perfectly honest with you. I mean, you know, I know
• 29:46
  S5: he's there in spirit, but I just would have wished
• 29:49
  S5: that he had that opportunity to sit right next to
• 29:51
  S5: me and and be able to watch his grandson, you know, from,
• 29:54
  S5: you know, run out of that tunnel for the first
• 29:56
  S5: time when he knew he was going to start. But,
• 29:58
  S5: you know, every time I get on that, I get
• 30:01
  S5: on that campus, I, I bring my father's Notre Dame
• 30:04
  S5: hat with me everywhere we go. So I bring it
• 30:07
  S5: to every single home and away game, you know, and after,
• 30:11
  S5: you know, they play the national anthem and they play
• 30:14
  S5: the kickoff song. You know, I look up in the air,
• 30:17
  S5: you know, I say a little prayer, give them a
• 30:19
  S5: little fist pump. And I say, come on, dad, you know,
• 30:22
  S5: be with the kid today, man. Give, give them what
• 30:23
  S5: it takes. And so you know, it's hallowed ground. The
• 30:28
  S5: grotto is such a special place. Um, I'm not going
• 30:32
  S5: to say that. I think people that have been around
• 30:34
  S5: that for a long time take it for granted. But
• 30:37
  S5: for those who are on the outside that have the
• 30:39
  S5: opportunity to go and visit that campus, that place, how
• 30:42
  S5: clean it is, how special it is, the tradition, the history. Um,
• 30:47
  S5: it's just something that's really it's what I love most
• 30:50
  S5: about Notre Dame, to be frank.
• 30:52
  S3: We'd be remiss if we didn't ask about your three daughters.
• 30:56
  S3: Your three daughters are quite accomplished in their own right,
• 30:59
  S3: and you can let's brag on them a little bit.
• 31:02
  S3: You and your wife, Rochelle.
• 31:03
  S5: Uh, I really.
• 31:05
  S3: Tell us about.
• 31:06
  S5: That. Yeah. So the matriarch, Rochelle, I mean, nothing, nothing
• 31:09
  S5: happens without her. She's the linchpin of this entire family.
• 31:12
  S5: She's her son's biggest fan. And I could tell you,
• 31:15
  S5: you know. You know, she she is absolutely camera shy.
• 31:18
  S5: She would never do this. But, you know, none of
• 31:20
  S5: us could do it without her. Uh, his oldest sister, Gabriella. God,
• 31:24
  S5: God love her and God bless her. I mean, she's
• 31:25
  S5: a captain in the army. She's a two time assistant
• 31:28
  S5: to the general. She's stationed actually right now in Detroit
• 31:31
  S5: for the first time in eight years. She was overseas
• 31:33
  S5: for that time. And just think about this. Uh, two
• 31:37
  S5: Sundays ago, she got an airplane with a general. Yeah,
• 31:40
  S5: she flew from Detroit to South Korea, spent a couple
• 31:42
  S5: of days there doing inventory from South Korea. She flew
• 31:46
  S5: to Japan, spent a couple of days there. Japan to Australia, Australia,
• 31:50
  S5: back to South Korea, South Korea to Hawaii and to
• 31:53
  S5: Hawaii back home to ensure that, you know, all of
• 31:56
  S5: our inventory is in check just in case something, you know, goes,
• 32:00
  S5: goes awry here. So that's who she is. And all
• 32:03
  S5: while she was doing that, she has her, you know,
• 32:04
  S5: graduated from West Point, an officer married to a West
• 32:07
  S5: Point cadet. And she has her master's from Georgetown, and
• 32:10
  S5: she's probably get her PhD, possibly from, uh, from Notre Dame.
• 32:15
  S5: You know, my second born. She left home when she
• 32:18
  S5: was 18 years old, right after college, and she's a
• 32:20
  S5: full time model, started off in Chicago. She walks the
• 32:23
  S5: runways all over New York City, lives in Manhattan, and
• 32:26
  S5: she's living, you know, the lifestyle of the rich and
• 32:29
  S5: famous and just having a great time. And my youngest, Isabella, uh, she, uh,
• 32:34
  S5: she she graduated from she graduated high school early, graduated
• 32:38
  S5: college early, has two master's degrees. And she presently works
• 32:42
  S5: for me. Um, and I can tell you, she is, uh,
• 32:45
  S5: if I would never say she's our top employee, but
• 32:48
  S5: I can tell you she is. Uh, yeah, she is very,
• 32:52
  S5: very good at what she does. And, uh, you know,
• 32:55
  S5: she's a big pain in the butt at times when
• 32:57
  S5: you work with one of your own. It's it's challenging.
• 33:00
  S5: But I have been blessed beyond, um, anyone's wildest dreams from, uh,
• 33:08
  S5: everything from my my youth growing up with humble beginnings
• 33:12
  S5: to where we are now with a massive company that
• 33:15
  S5: myself and my wife own, uh, to four beautiful children
• 33:18
  S5: that are healthy, happy, You know, hungry and humble. I mean,
• 33:21
  S5: that's our motto. Stay healthy, stay hungry, stay humble. And, um,
• 33:25
  S5: you couldn't ask for more than that.
• 33:27
  S2: So how does a guy from. How does a guy
• 33:30
  S2: from Scranton, Pennsylvania, handle Midtown Manhattan?
• 33:34
  S5: Not well. It's not your. It's not your pace. Where?
• 33:39
  S5: I've been in Clarkston, Michigan. Really not? Well, that's my
• 33:42
  S5: daughter's thing. You know, when I go there, it's a
• 33:44
  S5: hit and run. She's like, you don't love me like
• 33:47
  S5: you love the other ones. You don't come and visit.
• 33:49
  S5: I'm like, honey, let me tell you something. Oh, there's
• 33:54
  S5: not enough pizza and wine in that city for me
• 33:56
  S5: to come and spend more than two days to get
• 33:58
  S5: out of there.
• 33:59
  S2: Two days is like the max. Like you get in there,
• 34:01
  S2: and then I got a headache. I gotta get back
• 34:03
  S2: to Michigan, where it's a little quieter.
• 34:05
  S5: We're going twice this year. Really? I mean, we're going
• 34:08
  S5: to go Army. We're going to go Navy. Right? So.
• 34:11
  S5: So I'm going to be there more than I've been
• 34:13
  S5: in probably the last ten years. But we're going to
• 34:15
  S5: make a little event on it. We're going to go
• 34:16
  S5: over to the I think the Army game. We're going
• 34:18
  S5: to head over on a Wednesday. Um, we're going to
• 34:21
  S5: do a pizza tour. I'm a big pizza guy. So
• 34:23
  S5: we're going to do a lot of the pizza reviews,
• 34:25
  S5: and then we're going to go to the Navy game and, uh,
• 34:27
  S5: probably do a lot of the same. So it's exciting
• 34:30
  S5: time for Notre Dame. It's an exciting time to be
• 34:33
  S5: a fan. It's an exciting time to be a father.
• 34:35
  S5: We just got to, like I said, stay healthy, hungry,
• 34:37
  S5: humble and hopefully Notre Dame does what they're supposed to
• 34:40
  S5: do and win out here and find our way into
• 34:43
  S5: the playoffs and see where that takes us. All you
• 34:46
  S5: have to do is get in, guys. Remember that. Just
• 34:48
  S5: have to get it.
• 34:49
  S2: That's best college football road trip for you and your family.
• 34:52
  S2: Where would it be where you're like, all right, we
• 34:54
  S2: got to go besides Dublin.
• 34:57
  S5: Well, that thing was outstanding. I got to tell you,
• 35:00
  S5: I have some Irish, you know, uh, in my blood.
• 35:04
  S5: And so that was just absolutely incredible. But where I mean,
• 35:08
  S5: you know, I guess it all depends on what you're
• 35:10
  S5: what you're what you're really what you're looking for. I,
• 35:13
  S5: I'm glad that I had the opportunity to see what
• 35:15
  S5: transpired down at Florida State when we were down there
• 35:18
  S5: and seeing the tomahawk chop and then Virginia Tech enter
• 35:21
  S5: the Sandman. I mean, there's there's been a lot of great, I,
• 35:25
  S5: I really love the bowl game when we were out
• 35:27
  S5: in Arizona. I mean, that was fantastic. I mean, you
• 35:30
  S5: there's not there might not be a better, better scenery
• 35:33
  S5: in the land than. But you know, if Notre Dame,
• 35:36
  S5: you know, wants to pack up and they want to, um,
• 35:39
  S5: you know, book a game over there and Canada because
• 35:44
  S5: that might be one of the most spectacular, uh, scenes
• 35:47
  S5: in the world. So if they can get a game,
• 35:49
  S5: you guys can arrange something over there. Um, over near
• 35:53
  S5: Lake Louise. I'm in 100%. I'll stay, like, probably six months.
• 35:56
  S2: Mike. Michael, go talk to Pete Vivacqua and we're done.
• 35:59
  S2: See what? What he can.
• 36:00
  S3: Handle. Yeah. Well.
• 36:01
  S2: Let's see what you can pull out.
• 36:02
  S3: We. You know, we'd be remiss if we didn't. We
• 36:04
  S3: had a couple mentions in New York. We, you know,
• 36:06
  S3: we could ask you about the pizza, but the Jets,
• 36:08
  S3: of course, fired another coach. And you played people. I've
• 36:11
  S3: seen references to. Oh, the this is the worst coach ever. No,
• 36:14
  S3: I'm pretty sure Richie Kotite was, But I'm not going
• 36:17
  S3: to ask you to pile on the poor guy.
• 36:19
  S5: Let me just let me just tell you about Richie Kotite. Listen,
• 36:22
  S5: I went over there, you know, and things weren't going well,
• 36:25
  S5: and I wasn't starting, and I could tell you I
• 36:28
  S5: was a different cat, unlike my son. I mean, trust me.
• 36:31
  S5: And I'd be sitting in those meeting rooms. And when
• 36:34
  S5: someone made a bad play, I pointed it out. I like,
• 36:37
  S5: you know, when they made multiple passes, I pointed it
• 36:39
  S5: out because I wanted to play. I felt I should
• 36:41
  S5: be starting. And so my frustration level, this is legendary.
• 36:45
  S5: I mean, got to the highest level. And a really
• 36:48
  S5: good friend of mine who played offensive line, his name
• 36:50
  S5: was Matt O'Dwyer. And northwestern, right? Yeah. He was he
• 36:55
  S5: was a beast. I mean six five, 315, 320, benched £500,
• 37:01
  S5: had shoulders as wide as King Kong. And and he
• 37:03
  S5: was a good friend. And it was like after Thanksgiving
• 37:06
  S5: practice or something and you know and I used to
• 37:08
  S5: just go 100 miles an hour because I wanted to
• 37:11
  S5: get on that field and I'll never forget. And I
• 37:13
  S5: was legendary, tough guy, and someone said he was the
• 37:16
  S5: new king of the ring and gave me a couple
• 37:18
  S5: shoves afterwards. And, uh, and I really I walked back
• 37:22
  S5: to the huddle and this is I honest to God,
• 37:24
  S5: this is what I said. I said, I cannot believe
• 37:26
  S5: he wants a shot at the title and and and
• 37:30
  S5: legendary status. I mean, the next play, we got into
• 37:33
  S5: it and he started to shove me back, but I
• 37:35
  S5: was a wrestler and, uh, and I'll bring it back
• 37:38
  S5: to Richie Kotite and I flipped him over. And this
• 37:40
  S5: is true. You can read this. I ripped his helmet
• 37:43
  S5: off and I smashed him over his own head with it.
• 37:46
  S5: I mean, really, really hard. And then I went to work. Right.
• 37:50
  S5: And so and so. This is so crazy. So not
• 37:54
  S5: that week, but the next week, Richie Kotite is in
• 37:59
  S5: a meeting and he says he goes and let me
• 38:02
  S5: tell you, we're going to do this and we're going
• 38:03
  S5: to do that. He gave his, like, best Newt Rockne
• 38:05
  S5: speech ever. We're like, we're like two and 12 at
• 38:08
  S5: the time. And he goes, he goes, uh, and you
• 38:10
  S5: tell him the most important part of a fight is
• 38:13
  S5: the first punch and I end up starting the rest
• 38:16
  S5: of the year. So you got a promotion out of it?
• 38:19
  S5: I got a promotion out of smashing one of my
• 38:21
  S5: teammates over the head with his own helmet. But that's probably, though.
• 38:25
  S5: And Richie Kotite had the best cigars ever in his office.
• 38:30
  S5: He used to say, never got a chance to smoke him.
• 38:32
  S3: No victory cigars.
• 38:35
  S5: And so I would go in like I would leave
• 38:37
  S5: the meeting room, literally leave the middle of the meeting. Right.
• 38:40
  S5: And I'd go down to his office, I'd knock on
• 38:43
  S5: the door and I'd sit down in there, put up
• 38:46
  S5: the humidor, and we'd get a cigar and a cigar about.
• 38:49
  S5: A meeting was going on. And he knew I loved cigars,
• 38:53
  S5: and I knew my business. So, you know, Richie, although
• 38:56
  S5: he wasn't the best coach, he was a legendary tough guy,
• 38:59
  S5: I think a Golden Gloves boxer. And, uh, you know,
• 39:03
  S5: one and 15 and three and 13. Folks, I gotta
• 39:06
  S5: tell you, you gotta have some toughness just to be
• 39:08
  S5: able to get through that.
• 39:09
  S2: Okay, I don't know where I'm going to go with this,
• 39:11
  S2: but I'm going to try it anyway. We were driving
• 39:13
  S2: home from the Purdue game from West Lafayette a couple
• 39:15
  S2: of weeks ago, and somebody in the back seat of
• 39:18
  S2: the car threw on a mark Spindler, uh, postgame rant.
• 39:23
  S2: I believe the founded on YouTube, where, like every other
• 39:26
  S2: word was f this and f that. And I forget
• 39:29
  S2: what the question was. And you went on for like
• 39:31
  S2: 8 or 9 minutes of just saying, f this and that. Dude,
• 39:35
  S2: do you have any idea what I'm talking about?
• 39:37
  S5: I know exactly what you're talking about. That's that's like
• 39:40
  S5: a that's a legendary interview back in the Motor City.
• 39:43
  S5: And really, I think it made ESPN Fred who. At
• 39:48
  S5: the time, um, he came in and you know how
• 39:52
  S5: it goes. I mean, you know, you have maybe 10
• 39:54
  S5: or 15 reporters around you and they're all asking pretty
• 39:57
  S5: much the same question. Your frustration level gets to a point,
• 40:01
  S5: and they all walked away and you think you're done.
• 40:03
  S5: And then Fred came in. He asked, like pretty much
• 40:05
  S5: the same question, but he knew exactly what he was doing.
• 40:08
  S5: He said, he's like, can you put a finger on
• 40:10
  S5: why he'd come out and you play? So flat. That's
• 40:12
  S5: so much to play for. And I and I just went.
• 40:16
  S5: I just went ballistic. And he knew he had something
• 40:19
  S5: really good there. And you want to talk about just
• 40:22
  S5: poking the bear? Oh, he just kept poking the bear
• 40:25
  S5: and poking the bear, and I just kept. He was
• 40:28
  S5: throwing the bait out, and I was just swallowing it down. So,
• 40:31
  S5: you know, I, um, I actually recently reached out to him.
• 40:35
  S5: He sent me that so I can have it because,
• 40:37
  S5: you know, I just felt it was apropos to be
• 40:39
  S5: able to share with my children, you know, going, hey,
• 40:41
  S5: look at just remember, every now and then the lion
• 40:45
  S5: needs to let the jackals and the hyena know who
• 40:47
  S5: he is. I might be a good guy now, but
• 40:50
  S5: let me tell you, I still have this inside me somewhere.
• 40:53
  S5: So you got to be careful.
• 40:55
  S3: You know, Rocco is just getting warmed up. We don't
• 40:58
  S3: get to talk to him as much as we'd like
• 41:00
  S3: a few times over the years, and should be more.
• 41:02
  S3: But he was four minutes into his interview and we
• 41:05
  S3: the other day last week, he had just been asked
• 41:07
  S3: about the Louisville loss a year ago, and he was
• 41:10
  S3: asked whether it had pissed him off, and he agreed
• 41:13
  S3: that it had pissed a lot of guys off. And
• 41:15
  S3: then suddenly tornado warning, here they came. All the handlers
• 41:19
  S3: like not just him, but everybody had to evacuate because
• 41:21
  S3: a tornado warning had been. And I'm I don't know
• 41:24
  S3: that we we never saw it. We never saw it.
• 41:26
  S3: I just know that your boy was just getting warmed
• 41:29
  S3: up and in four minutes and and. Boop! Poof. I
• 41:33
  S3: don't know when we'll get him again. I'm looking forward
• 41:35
  S3: to it, though, because he's a straight shooter like you.
• 41:37
  S3: And and he's. And we got, you know, he's been
• 41:40
  S3: through a lot. Like Tom said injury late last year.
• 41:43
  S3: Usually you lose. You can't lose your job to an injury.
• 41:45
  S3: But in this case temporarily, it's it seems to be
• 41:48
  S3: that way. Um, but, you know, there's more than one. Yeah, yeah. So, uh,
• 41:54
  S3: there's that another. Well, a couple of things and we'll
• 41:57
  S3: let you go. But thank you so much for doing this,
• 42:00
  S3: Duke Cannon. Thank you as well for for hooking, for
• 42:04
  S3: hooking us up. But, um, NFL dads, we've written about
• 42:08
  S3: that from a few different perspectives. But I wonder, as
• 42:10
  S3: a as an NFL dad on a team just with
• 42:13
  S3: a good ten or so, uh, every year, every roster
• 42:17
  S3: seems to have a few, but it just seems to
• 42:19
  S3: have really amped up on the defensive side, especially now.
• 42:22
  S3: What is it like? Do you guys ever get in
• 42:24
  S3: a room? The NFL dads, uh, and talk and just
• 42:28
  S3: kind of share thoughts on why how this has happened
• 42:33
  S3: at Notre Dame? I know every program would love to
• 42:35
  S3: get sons of NFL players, but these here, it seems
• 42:40
  S3: to really be a pipeline.
• 42:42
  S5: Notre Dame is really recently you know you know having
• 42:45
  S5: a pretty darn good run. Do we get together. No
• 42:47
  S5: I did spend a lot of time with uh you know.
• 42:53
  S5: You know, John Allen guy. And let me tell you,
• 42:56
  S5: when you want to talk about a nightmare to play against,
• 42:58
  S5: maybe the only worst guy to play against was him
• 43:01
  S5: is probably going to be his son now. Because, you know,
• 43:04
  S5: when we would go out and we would play in
• 43:05
  S5: Kansas City, I made sure it was a point that
• 43:08
  S5: I lined up on the opposite side of the ball.
• 43:10
  S5: I did. I didn't want nothing to do with him
• 43:14
  S5: because he was a nightmare terror. But, you know, so
• 43:17
  S5: I had a lot, of lot of talks with him,
• 43:19
  S5: made him laugh. Um, and really, you know, because he's,
• 43:22
  S5: you know, he's just not like I am right now
• 43:24
  S5: going like this and charismatic, but but in his own right,
• 43:27
  S5: I would tell him about some of the stories, you know,
• 43:30
  S5: from our perspective about playing Kansas City and how great
• 43:33
  S5: of a player he was and how revered he was
• 43:35
  S5: as a player. Um, but yeah. No, I think it's
• 43:38
  S5: it's something really, you know, to, to build on. And
• 43:41
  S5: if Notre Dame is smart, you know, they, they kind
• 43:43
  S5: of use, they use some of that stuff to say, hey, look,
• 43:45
  S5: you know, not only, you know, are we recruiting, you know,
• 43:48
  S5: great players. They're great players of of great players. And so,
• 43:52
  S5: you know, in this day and age, you know, outside
• 43:55
  S5: of the the Nil money, you know, which you know
• 43:59
  S5: is definitely, you know, you need to be able to
• 44:01
  S5: understand how to use it. You know, you can use
• 44:03
  S5: any slight edge or small win that you can get
• 44:06
  S5: to separate, you know player A from school B and
• 44:10
  S5: Notre Dame really should you know I would suggest that
• 44:13
  S5: they use some of that because you know, you start
• 44:16
  S5: to think of some of the players that are coming
• 44:18
  S5: to town, let alone that have been through this town,
• 44:21
  S5: that have dads that played in the NFL. You talk
• 44:23
  S5: about pedigree. Um, they're coming there for a reason. And
• 44:27
  S5: part of it is, and I think I would be
• 44:29
  S5: remiss if I didn't say this, you know, you know,
• 44:32
  S5: Notre Dame is one of those places that is so
• 44:35
  S5: it's so unique. And when I think about this and
• 44:38
  S5: maybe you guys can help me with this, you know,
• 44:39
  S5: I told my son and I always said this to myself,
• 44:42
  S5: that Notre Dame is one of very few places that
• 44:44
  S5: you can win a national championship in the classroom, and
• 44:46
  S5: you can win a national championship on the field. And
• 44:48
  S5: when you think about that, you know, Michigan, you know,
• 44:51
  S5: they they're pretty prestigious academically, right? You know USC somewhat
• 44:56
  S5: prestigious academically as well. Not easy Penn State you might
• 44:59
  S5: throw in there. But clearly they're still not Notre Dame right. Um,
• 45:03
  S5: you know, northwestern, you know, you're probably not going to
• 45:06
  S5: win a national championship on the football field, right? So
• 45:09
  S5: so when you think about that, you know, you catch
• 45:11
  S5: lightning in a bottle, you know, because you can win
• 45:13
  S5: that national championship in the classroom. And if things fall
• 45:17
  S5: the right way, you win a national championship on the
• 45:19
  S5: football field. You know, there's not many, uh, you know,
• 45:22
  S5: not that I'm aware of. You guys know of anywhere
• 45:24
  S5: else that you can go and do this.
• 45:26
  S3: Vanderbilt.
• 45:27
  S4: Maybe after last week.
• 45:30
  S3: Uh, I went to North Carolina. I'm not. I'm not
• 45:33
  S3: even going to start on that one. But I know
• 45:35
  S3: you make a great point. Hey, you guys, I you know.
• 45:39
  S5: You mentioned tearing down the goalpost here at Notre Dame
• 45:41
  S5: and running through 80th Street. And those things are heavy
• 45:46
  S5: and drop.
• 45:47
  S2: Yeah, dropping them in the Saint Joe River.
• 45:48
  S5: That thing in the river.
• 45:49
  S3: If it happens, though, I'm putting I'm going to say
• 45:52
  S3: you're behind it. That's a surprise. It didn't happen after
• 45:55
  S3: the Clemson game.
• 45:57
  S5: I might need my £400 to help pull it down,
• 45:59
  S5: because I don't think those things. I don't even think
• 46:02
  S5: they came down anymore. No, I thought.
• 46:03
  S2: They were cement. But, Mark, we've kept you way too long.
• 46:06
  S2: But I got one last question for you. For for
• 46:08
  S2: somebody who who had who spilled so many blood, so
• 46:12
  S2: much blood and sweat and tears at old Pitt Stadium.
• 46:15
  S2: Doesn't it break your heart a little bit that there's
• 46:17
  S2: a basketball arena in that spot now?
• 46:20
  S5: Yeah, I mean, my motto growing up was I would
• 46:22
  S5: have rather wrestled and lost than to have played basketball.
• 46:25
  S5: So I'd really just, you know, tears at my heart. But,
• 46:28
  S5: you know, walking up that, you know, walking up that hill,
• 46:31
  S5: that Heartbreak Hill into that stadium and you know, how
• 46:34
  S5: nostalgic it was. And when you talk about tradition and history,
• 46:38
  S5: there's been some great teams and great players that went
• 46:41
  S5: through there. And I got to tell you this, guys
• 46:43
  S5: and you guys have been around a long time, you know,
• 46:45
  S5: and I had an argument with Lou Holtz and you
• 46:47
  S5: know recently and he, he, he kind of, you know,
• 46:50
  S5: I don't know just didn't remember. I said, look, you know,
• 46:52
  S5: in 1987 he came to town. And, you know, we
• 46:56
  S5: just we just beat you up and down the field. And,
• 46:58
  S5: you know, fortunately for you, I told him, and fortunately
• 47:00
  S5: for all the Irish fans out there, Uh, myself and
• 47:04
  S5: my good, my good friend, uh, Burke Rossman. We knocked.
• 47:07
  S5: I think it was Tony and Jack. Uh, um, out
• 47:09
  S5: of the game. Broke his collarbone. And then came this
• 47:12
  S5: guy by the name of Tony Rice. Right. And the
• 47:14
  S5: rest is history. But in 1988, when you guys came back,
• 47:18
  S5: back to back, he argued. No we didn't. We pounded
• 47:21
  S5: you in that game as well, and we fumbled the
• 47:24
  S5: ball twice, once going into the end zone with no
• 47:26
  S5: one around and once like first and goal from the
• 47:29
  S5: one yard line. And here you guys go on to
• 47:31
  S5: win a national championship. And look at my hatred for
• 47:35
  S5: the Irish prior to that was was enormous. After that,
• 47:39
  S5: that little leprechaun guy, I actually tried to take a
• 47:42
  S5: shot at him before on the football. It's just he's
• 47:45
  S5: too fleet of foot to to be able to, you know.
• 47:48
  S5: And now I sit right in back of the offensive
• 47:50
  S5: line bench and that little guy, he walks back and
• 47:53
  S5: forth on that ledge. And I gotta tell you, there
• 47:55
  S5: are times where I have little PTSD about going down
• 47:58
  S5: there and just, you know, maybe drilling him off their mark.
• 48:03
  S2: Before we get out of here. Plug the cannon one
• 48:05
  S2: more time.
• 48:07
  S5: Well, look, it's it's a great opportunity if you're a big,
• 48:10
  S5: burly guy and you want some outdoor products to be
• 48:12
  S5: able to take care of your hair and make yourself
• 48:14
  S5: slicked back, look good, dude wipes all those type of things,
• 48:17
  S5: go to Duke Cannon and, uh, really let them take
• 48:20
  S5: care of your needs.
• 48:21
  S2: Mark, that's it's been awesome to visit with you. We
• 48:24
  S2: told you it would be 15 minutes. It's been more
• 48:25
  S2: like 30. We could spend like, an hour and a
• 48:27
  S2: half with you. We really appreciate the time.
• 48:29
  S5: Whenever you need me, give me a call back. I'll
• 48:32
  S5: be here for you guys. You got.
• 48:33
  S2: It. That's Mark Spindler. We will come back. Wrap up
• 48:36
  S2: this edition of Pot of Gold right after this. Back
• 48:43
  S2: on edition of Pot of Gold like no other. But
• 48:46
  S2: if we haven't, we have a session like this every week.
• 48:50
  S2: I'll take this every week because Mark Spindler, on a
• 48:52
  S2: scale of 1 to 10. Mark Spindler was about a 15.
• 48:56
  S2: So we kind of we kind of moved some things around.
• 48:59
  S2: We scrapped some some sessions of the show because Marc
• 49:03
  S2: Spindler was just too darn good to limit to 15 minutes,
• 49:07
  S2: so speak up. Question of the week comes from Shane
• 49:10
  S2: from White Deer, Texas, and Shane says, I was wondering,
• 49:15
  S2: do you think now that teams have to cross the
• 49:18
  S2: country for their new conferences, they will find out what
• 49:21
  S2: Notre Dame already knows? Traveling that far week after week
• 49:25
  S2: is tough. Do you think this will affect some of
• 49:28
  S2: the teams as the season progresses, or is this a
• 49:30
  S2: non-factor for these young guys? Exhibit A, University of Southern California.
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  S4: Yep, that's the first thing I was going to go
• 49:39
  S4: to that game against Minnesota.
• 49:40
  S2: Just well they've they've come east twice. They went to
• 49:43
  S2: Ann Arbor lost to Michigan. They went to Minneapolis. They've
• 49:46
  S2: lost to Minnesota. They have to go to College Park
• 49:49
  S2: and play the University of Maryland before they even get
• 49:53
  S2: to Notre Dame at the end of the season. So
• 49:54
  S2: if there's an exhibit A for the conference realignment, it
• 49:58
  S2: might be USC. It didn't. It didn't help Stanford last
• 50:02
  S2: week when Virginia Tech went across the country out to
• 50:05
  S2: Palo Alto, and they win 31 to 7.
• 50:07
  S3: But Sammy beat Cal, came back from 25 down to
• 50:10
  S3: beat Cal at Berkeley. But um, in general it's it's
• 50:14
  S3: tougher to go west to east with the time change.
• 50:18
  S3: A lot of those early in the afternoon kickoff, their
• 50:20
  S3: bodies are still on West Coast time. Um, yeah. That's good.
• 50:25
  S3: Good question. Good point. Uh, now it's not really going
• 50:28
  S3: to affect the SEC because the they added Texas and Oklahoma.
• 50:33
  S3: And that's still, you know, pretty close to where they
• 50:36
  S3: were anyway, their footprint. But some of those the Florida schools,
• 50:40
  S3: you know, maybe Florida State's going to experience some of that.
• 50:42
  S3: And um, you know, then there's SMU didn't hurt. I mean,
• 50:46
  S3: of course that was more central SMU to Louisville. But
• 50:48
  S3: it's something to watch and air miles, no doubt. And
• 50:51
  S3: listening to Mark Spindler talk about his oldest daughter, who's
• 50:54
  S3: in the Army with all the air miles she had.
• 50:56
  S3: I wanted to say then I'll say now I could
• 50:58
  S3: see Tom was getting pretty jealous because of all the
• 51:01
  S3: all the perks he could have gotten on his United
• 51:04
  S3: account at Marriott.
• 51:06
  S2: Marriott. Oh, yeah.
• 51:07
  S4: Good. Good combo right there. Travel.
• 51:09
  S3: Travel master.
• 51:10
  S2: I thought I saw something or heard something on one
• 51:12
  S2: of the national podcasts where they were looking at teams
• 51:14
  S2: from the Big Ten and how they've been able to
• 51:16
  S2: handle the cross-country flights, whether it's Washington or Ohio State.
• 51:20
  S2: Has to go to Eugene, Oregon this weekend. We'll see
• 51:22
  S2: what happens with that. They said the teams that have
• 51:25
  S2: made the cross-country flight from the Pacific Time Zone to
• 51:28
  S2: the Eastern Time zone, eastern or central time zones, I
• 51:32
  S2: think they're a combined one and eight this year. Oh,
• 51:35
  S2: and the one team that has successfully navigated a cross-country flight. Indiana,
• 51:41
  S2: when they went to UCLA and beat the Bruins in
• 51:43
  S2: the Rose Bowl. Good point. So the travel is is
• 51:47
  S2: I don't know if you can you can kind of
• 51:49
  S2: look and see what what's happened to it. Now. I
• 51:51
  S2: think by the end of the year you're going to
• 51:53
  S2: see teams like USC, obviously, maybe a team like Michigan
• 51:57
  S2: that has to maybe make another cross-country flight, I don't know.
• 52:01
  S2: I think they may be done, but you may. You
• 52:03
  S2: may not see it or be able to quantify or
• 52:06
  S2: visualize it until the end of the season.
• 52:08
  S3: I was surprised in the Stanford notes, which are readily
• 52:11
  S3: available at college pressbox.com. Look at you mentioned.
• 52:15
  S2: For college.
• 52:15
  S3: Prospects. They mentioned that I'm hoping for a freebie. They
• 52:19
  S3: mentioned that they were flying. Their travel day was Thursday. Uh, not.
• 52:25
  S3: But did they normally come in two days before a
• 52:28
  S3: game here?
• 52:29
  S2: Well, yeah. When USC comes in, they usually fly in.
• 52:31
  S2: They usually charter into South Bend International Airport on Thursday night.
• 52:35
  S2: They do.
• 52:35
  S3: Okay.
• 52:36
  S2: All right. But Notre Dame and Notre Dame, when Notre
• 52:38
  S2: Dame goes out to USC, they usually leave after Thanksgiving
• 52:40
  S2: dinner on Thursdays. Yeah.
• 52:42
  S3: So I thought that was a Thanksgiving thing, but I
• 52:45
  S3: just figured Stanford might just come in the morning of,
• 52:48
  S3: you know, just get real early, just kind of, you know, shout,
• 52:51
  S3: no shower. Just get right back on the plane.
• 52:53
  S2: Take take a redeye.
• 52:55
  S3: They got they gotta, they gotta save the dollars for
• 52:57
  S3: the professors.
• 52:58
  S4: Yeah. I mean, if they were doing that, I really
• 53:00
  S4: think that would really show they weren't caring about the
• 53:02
  S4: football team too much.
• 53:03
  S3: That'd be great. Just like a high school game. Just
• 53:05
  S3: get it. Just get on the bus, get going, get
• 53:06
  S3: on the airplane, and everybody's still in their pads.
• 53:09
  S4: Yeah, good on the on the plane too. And the pads. Yeah.
• 53:12
  S4: There you go. Right, right from the tarmac. Right to
• 53:14
  S4: the field.
• 53:14
  S2: There you go. So, yes, the rest of college football.
• 53:18
  S2: Welcome to the world of what Notre Dame deals with,
• 53:21
  S2: like this year, where they're going to have to go
• 53:22
  S2: to New York City in late November, turn around and
• 53:25
  S2: go to California. That's crazy. So the travel, the travel
• 53:28
  S2: that a lot of these teams are used to bus trips,
• 53:32
  S2: especially in the Big Ten. Notre Dame has done this
• 53:35
  S2: year after year after year. There was one time, there
• 53:37
  S2: was one year where they played. Didn't they play at
• 53:40
  S2: San Diego in 2018?
• 53:42
  S3: Yeah, they went. When I got here.
• 53:44
  S2: They went to San Diego, then they went to New York,
• 53:46
  S2: then they went back to Los Angeles. That's right. All
• 53:48
  S2: in the span of like four weeks. So that's that's
• 53:51
  S2: college football the way it is. I'm not complaining for
• 53:54
  S2: Notre Dame because I'd rather go to LA than West Lafayette,
• 53:58
  S2: but that's just me. Am I wrong?
• 54:01
  S4: There's some stuff to do in West Lafayette.
• 54:03
  S2: I guess not go watch the 66 to 7 game
• 54:06
  S2: or whatever it was. What was the final score of
• 54:08
  S2: that game?
• 54:08
  S4: That's right, 66 seven.
• 54:10
  S3: I still can't wrap my brain around that. Or that
• 54:13
  S3: we might only have one person on hand at the
• 54:16
  S3: Coliseum if that game is all that. But we'll see.
• 54:18
  S3: There's time. There's time. I hope to join you. I
• 54:22
  S3: hope to join you. I should be there as well.
• 54:24
  S3: You should, if I can avoid deer. But that's another story.
• 54:27
  S3: What do you got?
• 54:28
  S4: Story after.
• 54:30
  S2: That? Uh, let's do pot of gold. Let me see
• 54:33
  S2: the pot of gold. You can't wrap your head around that.
• 54:38
  S2: But try to wrap your head around this. Give me
• 54:40
  S2: a hot take and a prediction for the Stanford game.
• 54:43
  S2: Either 1 or 2. Either one of you go.
• 54:46
  S4: I'll go first. All right. Riley Leonard rushes for three touchdowns. Again.
• 54:50
  S4: My stat for this a QB has rushed for a
• 54:52
  S4: TD against Stanford in four of their five games. Only
• 54:55
  S4: Cal Poly didn't.
• 54:56
  S2: There you go. And how about a prediction?
• 54:59
  S4: Notre Dame 34 seven.
• 55:01
  S2: Mike Berardino you want me to go since you're still
• 55:03
  S2: probably compiling?
• 55:04
  S3: I have my prediction.
• 55:05
  S2: I wanted to go fast.
• 55:06
  S4: I wanted to go fast to see if you were ready.
• 55:08
  S2: I can see he's not ready. Just messing with you.
• 55:11
  S2: Obviously you're not ready. Well, put him on the spot.
• 55:14
  S2: I heard that.
• 55:14
  S3: Stanford has allowed a rushing. What was it?
• 55:18
  S4: I think it was. It was 4 or 5.
• 55:20
  S3: For some research I've done. No, I, uh, well, I'm
• 55:26
  S3: just going to say more more turnovers. More, more takeaways.
• 55:29
  S3: Notre Dame finally got its first fumble recovery after you
• 55:33
  S3: know it never fails after you go around asking, well,
• 55:36
  S3: why aren't you recovering any fumbles? The fumbles are just
• 55:38
  S3: falling out of the sky. I would expect more more
• 55:41
  S3: fumbles available and interceptions available. I'm going to say Notre
• 55:45
  S3: Dame plus three in the takeaway take over a turnover
• 55:48
  S3: margin this week. That's the hot take. And 52 to 6.
• 55:52
  S2: Whoa!
• 55:53
  S3: 52 to 6. I just I'm just not feeling, uh,
• 55:57
  S3: the the the love for the Troy Taylor regime. I
• 56:00
  S3: just think I watched his post game. It was. It
• 56:02
  S3: was the most depressing.
• 56:04
  S2: Of what? Virginia Tech.
• 56:05
  S3: Yeah, it was just, you know, how they. First of all,
• 56:08
  S3: you've seen it. They come, they they take him out
• 56:10
  S3: like on a little veranda type thing and like, you know,
• 56:13
  S3: there's like four people there and it's, you know, it's
• 56:16
  S3: open air and everybody just wants to get out of
• 56:19
  S3: there because it's so much nicer everywhere but right there. And,
• 56:22
  S3: and he talked for about seven minutes and he wasn't
• 56:25
  S3: into it and the questioners weren't into it. And and
• 56:29
  S3: I'm imagining that's why I suggested they just get on
• 56:32
  S3: the plane in full gear and get right back on
• 56:34
  S3: the plane. Full 52 to 6, full gear.
• 56:36
  S2: In the middle seat. San Francisco.
• 56:38
  S3: The taping back in and everything. Keep the plane.
• 56:41
  S4: Running on the tarmac.
• 56:43
  S2: All right. My hot take. Darian price, one of my
• 56:46
  S2: guys to watch this week. Jordan Price runs for over
• 56:48
  S2: 100 yards. We'll see if that happens. And my score
• 56:51
  S2: prediction I'm not going anywhere near 44 three or whatever.
• 56:55
  S2: Mike said 52 to 66.
• 56:57
  S3: I don't allow any touchdowns.
• 56:59
  S2: I was going to say, is that two field goals
• 57:01
  S2: or one touchdown and p-a-t and I'll go 3110 as
• 57:05
  S2: Notre Dame rolls to its fourth consecutive victory. Goes to
• 57:08
  S2: five and one. And we were going to talk big
• 57:11
  S2: today about whether or not the College Football Playoff is
• 57:14
  S2: still an option. We'll save that for next week. But
• 57:17
  S2: for now for Jackson Neil for Mike Berardino, I'm Tom Neu.
• 57:21
  S2: This is pot of gold. We will talk to you
• 57:23
  S2: next week after Stanford, before Georgia Tech.
• 57:29
  S1: This has been the South Bend Tribune's Pot of Gold podcast,
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  S1: your home for insightful Notre Dame football coverage and analysis.