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Firing Squad: Xbox Mass Layoffs & Sony Deletes 551 Movies · Multiple Nerdgasm

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  [music] >> Multiple nerdgasm.
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  >> Hi. >> Hey. How are you? >> I'm good. How are you?
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  >> I'm going to apologize. I have not done anything to research anything for this
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  show this week. >> Okay, and that's different normal Okay. >> [laughter] >> All right.
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  That's fine. There's a lot in here actually. Uh it's been busy because we didn't
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  record last week. >> Oh, that's right. >> Because it was America's birthday. >> Yes.
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  >> America turned 250. >> Yep. >> And I was in Vermont. So.
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  I apologize. >> And you had lots of fireworks.
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  >> We did. We had lots of fireworks and beer. It's good.
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  >> I don't really picture beer as being part of America's thing, but I guess it is.
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  >> What should I have been drinking? >> I don't know. Just in my head, Americans
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  don't drink beer. I know they do. >> Mhm. Oh, they do.
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  >> movies, it's only the rednecks that drink beer. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they
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  >> And then everyone else is on spirits. >> Okay. Yeah.
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  Okay. Like beer, bourbon I guess is is pretty American. >> Yeah. They drink it straight.
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  >> Yeah. Okay. They don't. They don't. They drink beer and like
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  uh What are those [ __ ] things? High Noons and uh >> High Noon?
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  >> Uh what are the new iced tea ones? Iced tea >> Iced tea?
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  >> drinks. Yeah, what is it called? They're really popular right now. Uh drink in
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  Sun Cruisers. >> Sun Cruisers? And what's in that? >> They're pretty [ __ ] good. Uh
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  it's iced tea and vodka. >> Okay. It's sort of like what they did with Solo.
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  >> Yeah, and you can get it mixed with lemonade as well, like a half it iced
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  tea half lemonade and then uh there's like blueberry lemonade
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  strawberry lemonade pink lemonade it's anyway get you
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  >> for for a country that doesn't let you drink before you're 21 they're really
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  [laughter] aiming for teenagers aren't they? >> I know I
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  everybody drinks these like we go to [ __ ] kids birthday
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  parties the dads are drinking these like these are very popular.
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  >> Oh there is a a joke out about here about like Australian men not liking
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  beer anymore so I guess that's made it to America as well.
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  >> Yeah I guess so. Yeah no it's Sun Cruiser hard answer well these are
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  I mean this is not super interesting but it's like it's lower calories people are
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  worried about calories. reasonably >> I'm not I've just accepted my fate.
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  >> fair >> Mhm. >> Anyway. Uh that's alcohol news for this week.
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  Yes. Um where should we begin? I think >> start off with the most important thing?
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  >> Yeah is it I'm going in. >> Tell us who's got married. >> Yeah and
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  we weren't invited. >> No which I found quite rude.
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  >> Yeah we were we're not invited although neither was Ryan Reynolds so
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  um you know >> Yeah. >> Although I don't think we've done as much wrong as Ryan Reynolds.
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  >> As Ryan Reynolds so >> he's really really not popular these days apparently
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  but yeah she got married in in New York and everybody's been talking about it.
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  >> And the thing that I found most the weirdest thing about all of this
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  was the fact that Adam Sandler officiated that's the one thing that
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  came out of nowhere for me. >> [laughter] >> I don't understand I don't understand.
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  Did he do it in a silly voice like >> Did he do it in his basketball shorts?
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  Like he's always in his basketball shorts like is he just like >> It's so odd. >> Does
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  >> I even know him? >> Like Yeah, well, they must.
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  Like They must be friends. >> Well, I don't see them being friends. I
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  see them being from very different worlds. >> Yeah.
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  >> Like all three three of them. Like none of them cross over.
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  >> Yeah, they got sports man, music girl, and allegedly funny guy. >> Yeah.
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  >> do funny things anymore. He does he does serious acting. Sorry. But
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  >> Um I haven't seen any of that. >> I just don't know. I just confused by
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  that. But I mean whatever. I'm sure they had a lovely wedding. I'm
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  sure it was very expensive. Uh and >> more than would
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  I like I probably live off the rest of my life of what they spent on this wedding.
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  >> Yeah, absolutely. Uh and if you
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  gentle listener would like a piece of Taylor Swift's wedding, apparently you,
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  like other fans, can purchase garbage from the wedding for $25. Uh
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  >> Including cigarette butts and ovulation test kit. >> [laughter]
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  >> And things people think Okay. Who the [ __ ] was doing that at the
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  wedding? And where did you get this trash? Like >> Trash? >> Like
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  Yeah. Uh a New York artist picked up the garbage from city streets around Madison
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  Square Garden. And uh they're all sold within 24 hours.
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  Water bottle caps, ring pop candy, police caution tape, straws, utensils,
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  and a single left airpod. >> Ooh. Imagine you could find out whose that
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  was though. >> The artist described everything as a sculpture.
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  And uh he's made 1,250 bucks. >> And the thing is you don't know if it was anyone
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  at the wedding. It was just garbage Trump around. >> Trash from New York, which I'm not I
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  don't know if you've been to New York. I know you have. I don't know if the
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  listeners have. There's plenty of it. You can get it for
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  free. They're just throwing it out in the street. >> [laughter]
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  >> [ __ ] bags of it in the street. >> Anything in here that he got it from
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  inside Madison Square Garden, he got it from the streets around. So,
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  >> Literally in New York, I I mean, I'm assuming this is normal. I've seen it a
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  couple of times. This is the way that they do the garbage is that they just
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  put the bags of garbage in the street and the people come and get it. So, like
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  eventually, whatever day it is, if you're there, there's just piles and
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  piles of bags of garbage in the street. Help yourselves. >> Yeah.
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  Yeah. Uh Oh, interesting. The artist sells other
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  cities' trash on his website, too. Interesting. Yeah.
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  >> But, yeah, like it's I I really I think that yeah, people you weren't buying
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  trash from their wedding. >> Yeah. >> Like at all. >> Yeah, well, also,
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  the artist pointed out the garbage was technically from outside the barriers
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  because the artist wasn't invited. So, again, it's just trash off the streets of
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  >> It's trash off the street. Like I'm pretty sure Madison Square Garden, when
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  they have all the rubbish inside, put it into bins inside and they get those
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  trucks that drive in and and take it. >> And they take it to their the warehouse
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  where they sell all their eBay stuff. >> Yes. Yeah. Cuz it's a good business.
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  >> So, anyway, $25 apparently for some cigarette butts
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  that were near Taylor Swift's wedding. >> [laughter]
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  >> Imagine how much it'd be for stuff that was inside the wedding. Inside Taylor Swift.
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  He was already worth a fortune. >> That's true. It's true. >> [laughter]
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  >> Uh Uh >> He contributes his own money. It's not like he's going to be
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  just off her. He's >> Yeah. He um but I think she's still
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  the richer half. Like her her name would go first on applications. >> I would think so.
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  >> Um I was a funny tweet. This guy is um
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  Here we go. Oh, wait. These are old tweets. He's
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  Here we go. This is her husband, Travis Kelce? Kelsey? I don't know how to pronounce
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  his name. This is a tweet of his. This is a This is what we're dealing with here. This is
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  uh I Okay, it's a tweet. >> [clears throat] >> I just gave a squirrel, spelled s q u i
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  r l e, a piece, spelled p e i c e, of bread and it straight smashed all of it.
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  I had no idea they ate bread like that. Haha, #crazy. >> [laughter]
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  >> And this is the man that married your Tay Tay. >> My Tay Tay?
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  >> I'm talking to the listeners. Yeah. >> Oh, oh, oh.
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  >> Taylor Swift I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan. Anything of hers.
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  >> I'm not sure I can identify a song of hers. I'll be honest. I know the only
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  thing she lives in Rhode Island, so I hear about her a lot. Like we just have
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  to hear about her because she's always doing things that annoy people. And um
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  but I don't know any of her music. >> I I know the joke that she all of her
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  songs are writing about people she's broken up with. I know that joke, but
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  >> She doesn't write the songs, guys. Can we just talk about that for a
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  minute? She has songwriters, okay? >> Yes. >> They're not about I mean
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  whatever. >> Just shake it off, Matt. Just shake it off.
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  >> off. Oh, I didn't know that one. I really like that song. Yeah. There you go. I lied.
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  >> That's the only one I've got. Like don't be expecting any more of me. That's
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  that's all my Tay Tay knowledge there. And the fact that everyone knows she's
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  really good friends with Adam Sandler. >> All right. Well, something you do know about
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  Xbox. >> Yes. >> There's been a massive amount of Xbox
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  news in the last 2 weeks. >> Now, this isn't just happening in the X
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  [clears throat] This just happened in the game space, which I do not
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  understand. I don't I get it, but I don't. >> So, okay. Let's begin with before this came
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  out, the big thing, there was a report that
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  Game Pass lost 30 million subscribers because of this whole debacle.
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  >> Oh, because I thought they lost it because of when they did the price hike.
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  >> That's what I mean. No, sorry. That's what I mean. So, you went all the way
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  back to Yeah, the big price hike. >> The Game Pass debacle, I mean. >> Uh yeah, sorry. Uh
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  I was one of them. I canceled my Game Pass because I was like, "You know what?
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  I'm not using it very much. >> Yeah. >> And you've made it noticeable for me.
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  >> Yeah, but before it was at the price where you weren't using it that much,
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  but you were it wasn't too bad. >> It was nice to have it, you know,
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  and then they put it up and I was like, "Nope." >> Uh anyway, they lost 30 million
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  subscribers. Uh not good. [snorts] >> No. And it's hard to get subscribers
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  back. >> Right. Uh well, I mean, I don't think this is necessarily going to have helped
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  what they've done now, but long-term maybe this will be helpful. I don't
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  exactly know what's going on over there, but um they said, you know, they want to
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  entertain more than a billion people daily, and in order to do that, they need
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  to fire everybody. >> Yes. >> So, uh they have
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  put out this blog post, which we've linked here. It says resetting Xbox.
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  >> Yeah. And I think they got rid of what, 1,200 or 1,700 have already gone with
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  another 3,200 to come. >> Yeah. >> Or something like that. That's >> Through
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  >> 2027, they'll be reducing by 3200 people. They've
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  uh let a bunch of studios just go back to being Double Fine. It's just
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  independent again now. >> Yep. >> They just said, "You know what? Off you go."
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  >> Yep. I know we spent all this money buying all these studios, but you can
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  just all go away and now >> Yeah. I mean, take your IP with you. There >> [laughter]
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  >> There must be a reason. I don't quite I'm not a business person, obviously,
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  but like, [ __ ] hell. Um And the big one everyone's talking about
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  is id. >> Yes. >> Because apparently,
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  they fired all the programmers. And id is famously
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  the studio that John Carmack, you know, founded with John Romero and
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  and everybody. And you know, they made uh Wolfenstein and Doom and Quake and
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  Quake 3 and and like id Tech is just famous for these, you know, the amazing
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  game engine stuff. And they need programmers to do that. So, I guess
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  that's not a thing they do anymore. >> And oh, it's weird. Another weird thing
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  I've heard throughout all of this, they fired a lot of people from Bethesda
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  so Bethesda can focus on getting Elder Scrolls and Fallout out faster.
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  >> That I didn't get. >> Look, we found that all these people
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  were distracting. So, Todd, it's just you now. >> [laughter] >> Sit down and shut up.
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  >> You've got to finish Elder Scrolls, Fallout 5, and uh whatever and and we
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  and the Elder Scrolls online DLC. >> Yeah. You've got to keep all that. Just
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  get that out. Yeah, I didn't quite understand how they fired so many to
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  focus on getting that out. >> [sighs and gasps] >> Well, I guess
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  >> Again, I don't understand >> The first I guess had other stuff going on, like other
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  >> [snorts] >> copies. Oh, Doom is another one that they're focusing on. Um >> Mhm.
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  >> But but that Yeah, they've stripped it right down and they're just just
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  focusing on that stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I don't know. It does sound weird, right?
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  >> Yeah, like wouldn't you just let's not farm and just hey, get to work.
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  >> I mean, I guess it doesn't necessarily work like that. You can't just throw
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  more people at a I don't know. >> getting rid of people seeing >> Yeah, I don't know.
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  >> a stranger way. >> I mean, it's I you'd save money.
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  >> Well, I the thing is I don't understand about the game industry as a whole is
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  it's the biggest industry in the world. >> [laughter] >> Mhm.
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  >> Like makes more than movies, makes more like games make a fortune. Yet, they're
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  all and they're always setting record profits. But they've always
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  >> they go too hard. Like everyone was talking about Xbox went so hard, they
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  bought all these [ __ ] studios and they went crazy. I think they really did
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  just go too hard. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think they did. Like it was They
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  [snorts] brought everything under the sun. >> [laughter] >> Too hard.
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  >> Okay, here you go. >> He's scared [laughter] of me. >> [snorts] >> All right.
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  >> All right. >> Love you. >> He's >> [laughter] >> getting scared.
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  A lot of people watching as well. There was just a banana coming at your face. >> Yeah.
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  >> [laughter] >> She couldn't open it. Didn't hear her coming. All right. Uh
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  anyway, Xbox. >> Yeah, I I think you're right. Yeah, too
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  hard, too fast. >> Um
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  they've got Obsidian still. >> Who are now evidently
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  working on Fallout from what I've heard, which is weird. Sorry?
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  >> that's good. >> That's good, but didn't I we've have them I'm sitting here to
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  work on Fallout since New Vegas. >> Right. Yeah.
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  Ooh, that's weird. When I click the link on this, it goes
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  to verge.com. What is that? What's happened there? That's really strange.
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  Verge.com apparently is not >> It's available for purchase. >> There we go. Anyway,
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  >> Let's purchase verge. >> Let's not. It's probably too expensive.
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  >> I don't know. It just says I can buy it now. >> I don't understand how that URL got in
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  there like that. Anyway, the verge.com is reporting that yeah, Xbox resets
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  pivoting Obsidian to make Fallout instead of uh Avowed two. Mhm.
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  I guess. >> Well, Avowed honestly
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  it wasn't that good. >> Agreed. >> I think a lot of people went, "Oh, this
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  is fun." And then got about an hour or two in and went, "Yeah, I'm I'm finished
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  with this." >> Yeah. >> And put it down. >> So, they're still doing Outer Worlds two DLC.
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  Um but they'll I guess they're focusing now on a new Fallout game, which I mean they
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  did the best one, New Vegas. >> Yeah. >> So, >> And this is what they wanted to This is
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  what they tried to sell ages ago. You said like, "Hey, you do the main ones,
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  we'll do the off ones." Went back in the time when they were thinking it was
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  going to be a year or every two years one was coming out, not decades. >> Well,
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  uh yeah. [sighs] Not sad about that. That's good news.
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  >> Cuz I'm honestly starting to think I will never get to play Elder Scrolls 7.
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  >> [laughter] >> What if they keep firing everybody? >> Or Fallout 6. Like, it's just not
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  possible. >> Yeah. Yeah, not really feasible.
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  >> Well, >> so that's Xbox. They're uh they're resetting, they've fired so many It's
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  just uh it's a lot, like >> Yeah. >> I get it, I suppose. You've got to keep
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  the business viable, but >> But it's not like yes, they they weren't losing money.
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  >> What I mean, were they not >> Well, they weren't getting as much as they wanted.
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  >> Yeah. >> That's the always the thing. It's not with a lot of times like this, it's not
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  the fact that they're losing money. It's the fact that shareholders want more. >> Yeah.
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  >> want more and more and more. >> Yeah. I mean, they do, you know, they sell the
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  Xboxes at a loss. Although uh that's all the prices of those are going up. So, oh
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  yeah, so there was a statement about from Valve about the Steam Machine where they said
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  they don't want to do that where you know, like Microsoft in particular, I'm
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  sure Sony does this, too. They sell the consoles for less
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  than they cost to get you into the ecosystem, and then hopefully you buy
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  the games, and then they make money. >> Yep. >> And then um Valve said they didn't want
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  to do that because it creates
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  bad incentives and like lock-in, and they want an open ecosystem. Yeah, I
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  know, and it's like >> What are you talking about? >> What are you
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  What are you You want everyone to go to Steam? >> Yeah, I don't know. It was you
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  it was a weird it just doesn't make any sense to me. I
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  mean, maybe I'm missing something, but I didn't understand the what what they
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  were trying to say. Like, okay, you're not subsidizing the console because you
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  don't want to lock people in. Like, how would that lock people in?
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  >> But it's not like they can buy that and then go and play it >> It would lock people in.
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  >> for free. >> I mean, it's a business strategy, I guess, like >> Yeah.
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  >> I mean, also, they make they sell all the [ __ ] PC games in the world,
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  almost. Like, there's a couple of There's There's others, like Epic Games
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  Store and stuff like that, but most people use Steam. >> Yeah.
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  >> Like, I don't know. It just seemed like a weird nonsense
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  >> No, yeah, I don't know where they're coming from from that. That's
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  >> They just don't want to, I think. >> Yeah. They they want to subsidize it.
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  >> And we don't have to. >> I guess it just the way they phrase it. I I if
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  they had said like no no we just don't want to do weird things like that. Like
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  this is what it costs. Here it is. Like >> And and all really all they're doing is
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  they're just trying to make it like here it is. This is the cost or you can go
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  get your own PC. Like we're just making this an easier option for you where it's
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  >> Oh I think I might have said I don't know if we just said this but
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  but we had said you could build a PC for less. Apparently not necessarily.
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  Yeah apparently it is quite competitive price wise if you
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  spec things out the same. But the thing is that you could compromise on certain things.
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  >> Yeah. >> If you wanted to. >> Yeah. >> [snorts]
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  >> Anyway the major issues at the moment are RAM and
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  hard drives which are not going to get cheaper. Oh it's going to get worse. Did
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  we talk about that? >> That it's going to get worse?
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  >> Apparently [snorts] so yeah. All the projections are that next year
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  is going to be even worse for these prices. So if you're out there I mean
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  don't hold me to this but if you're out there and you're thinking I need a new
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  computer but I won't buy one I'll wait for the prices to come down. I don't
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  need it until next year. Maybe rethink that strategy because it's going to get worse.
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  >> I can't see it getting better for a long time to be honest.
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  >> Well cuz the thing apparently that okay so they need to make more RAM and storage.
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  >> Yeah. >> So the AI stuff is just eating up supply
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  of it. Okay so they need to apparently it takes three years ish to spin up a new
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  manufacturing facility. >> Yeah. >> If you're a company that already makes
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  that stuff. Yeah that's how this that's just how long it takes to get these
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  things ready. If you're a brand new at it it takes even longer. But it takes three years.
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  And because AI is a bubble at the moment and they don't know how
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  long is this going to last they don't really want to commit to spinning up too
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  many of these things. >> Exactly. So, it's this whole thing where
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  this is going to be a while because it's like and also be three years? No,
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  because they probably won't do enough of them if it continues cuz they're hedging
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  their bets. >> Look, I I do think it is going to that bubble is coming and I think it's
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  hopefully it's coming sooner rather than later. I think it's it's getting scary
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  the type of stuff that AI can actually do. >> Yeah.
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  >> And there's no safety rails or anything in there. Everyone's just racing to be
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  first now. >> Like Fable, the new Claude model is really good. >> Mhm.
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  >> And you know, I've got access to it until
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  tomorrow on my current plan, I think. Let me check.
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  What plan am I on? I think
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  I think Fable's included until tomorrow for standard plans. >> Uh
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  >> [clears throat] >> and then you have to pay more for it. >> Yeah.
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  >> And that makes sense because the reality of it is everybody's using
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  this stuff right now, right? Most people paying like 20 bucks a month for like
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  the subscription to one of these things. It costs way more than that.
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  >> That's That's not the >> burning through money and they're not
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  making any money. All that stuff that we're doing, all these stupid images,
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  all these stupid [ __ ] we're making, it costs so much money.
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  >> so much and their their actual target audience isn't the people paying the $20. >> No.
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  >> It's business. >> And at a certain point they're going to
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  have to stop sub- they're subsidizing, basically. Like cuz businesses talk
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  about there was a someone posting on Reddit talked about how they use Claude
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  code and all these tools to build things, right? And they've been using that API not
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  the normal standard plans and they've been spending thousands of dollars a month
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  and then just without looking into it and then he posted it and he said
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  could I have just done all this with the $20 a month plan?" And then he put all
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  the information, everyone's like, "Yeah, you could have." Like, because
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  for some reason, they're just eating all that cost right now.
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  I guess to keep things going. And like, basically this person burnt
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  like 20 grand or something in a year because they didn't they just did it the
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  they did it the way that it like it's it's going to cost that at some point. >> Yes.
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  >> Like, at some point they're going to have to stop. And then they're going to
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  say, "Okay, guys, this actually costs thousands of
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  dollars, so pony up or we're not doing it anymore." >> Like
• 23:38
  yeah, I don't know where all the money's coming from. It like they're eating it,
• 23:42
  but where did that money come from to begin with? >> Investment, I guess. >> Yeah.
• 23:47
  And that's I think that's what they're all going to be rushing, and there's no Yeah,
• 23:52
  I think it's going to be scary because Claude everything's to Claude to make stuff.
• 23:57
  >> Mhm. >> So, and then what if Claude just decided to make a backdoor to everything?
• 24:02
  >> [laughter] >> That Well, yeah, there's that. Or just like, what if you build something,
• 24:09
  and you don't know how it works because you didn't build it. And then they go,
• 24:14
  "Okay, now Claude costs 10 times as much." What are you going to do about that? Like
• 24:19
  >> I I I can't afford that for what I made. No way. >> maintain
• 24:23
  my product anymore. I can't like fix bugs, I can't do anything. >> Right. Yeah.
• 24:28
  >> Yeah, it's a bit of a worry. A lot of businesses I mean, the company
• 24:32
  I work for is heavily reliant on AI for certain things now. And it's like if
• 24:36
  they jack the prices up, like I mean, is that the plan?
• 24:41
  To get everybody reliant on it, and then be like, "All right, it now costs X."
• 24:46
  >> And then that's too, cuz they eventually have to start charging people for it.
• 24:51
  >> Yeah. >> Like >> Yeah. >> I don't know. It's scary. I don't want
• 24:56
  to talk about it anymore cuz it is It's dooms day. There's
• 24:59
  >> is the reason why why the companies don't want to commit to all of this
• 25:03
  manufacturing is because like like who the [ __ ] knows what's going to happen. >> Yeah.
• 25:08
  >> It's all very weird right now. >> Yes. Yeah.
• 25:13
  >> So I'm just going to My computer should last a long time, I hope.
• 25:17
  >> Mhm. Yeah, my I'm I bought my iMac with this one in
• 25:22
  I don't know, like a like the year before all this kind of started
• 25:25
  happening and it's like it it'll last. >> This this should last. I'll buy a new Xbox.
• 25:32
  That'll keep me going. >> I got a banana coming at my face. I got
• 25:35
  a date coming up to my window. What's going on this week? >> It's all happening.
• 25:40
  Well, look, Sony's going to be saving some money for consumers.
• 25:43
  >> Okay, here we go. Yeah, okay, so they're not they're not in the clear this week.
• 25:46
  Sony's in the [ __ ] too. Go on. >> Well, I assume that since Sony's going
• 25:50
  to stop selling physical games that the cost is going to come down.
• 25:55
  >> Oh, you sweet summer child. >> [laughter] >> No. You would think that. You would have
• 26:01
  I would have I remember we talked about this ages ago. Oh, the games are just
• 26:05
  going to be digital. They can be cheaper. You know, we don't have to pay
• 26:07
  the Australia tax cuz they don't have to ship them to Australia. Like, no. [ __ ] you.
• 26:12
  >> More now. Yep. >> We get it. >> And you don't own it anymore.
• 26:18
  >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah, I did notice that Xbox were quiet
• 26:22
  about this, but theirs isn't going to come with the disc drive, but Sony's
• 26:25
  already announced theirs is not coming with the disc drive, which I >> Yeah. I get
• 26:32
  >> I know people are jumping up and down >> Yeah, there's people The thing is
• 26:36
  there's a big renaissance movement now for physical media and so this
• 26:40
  announcement is at a bad time because people are like
• 26:45
  currently in kind of a nostalgic mood about that because well,
• 26:51
  there's another article about Sony in particular in here, too, that doesn't help. Um
• 26:56
  They just announce that uh was it 20
• 27:03
  Here we go. Sony is going to delete 551 uh movies
• 27:09
  from PlayStation movie, whatever that is, the movie system. You know, like
• 27:14
  Xbox movies, PlayStation movie, whatever. >> Yeah. >> The li- your library on PlayStation.
• 27:17
  >> Yeah. >> 551 movies and TV shows are just being deleted because the rights expired.
• 27:25
  >> And yeah. >> So, how does that make you feel about
• 27:26
  buying digital stuff? Probably not good. >> Yeah. Cuz I I like
• 27:31
  cuz you you buy it. Well >> say you're renting it. Doesn't say >> That's the thing.
• 27:37
  >> It says you're buying it. So, you assume that you've purchased this product. >> No.
• 27:41
  >> No. You purchased a license the same way they don't got the license.
• 27:44
  >> Yeah. And people uh realizing that and as like I said, a big movement now to
• 27:49
  say, "You know what? [ __ ] that. Buy Blu-ray." >> Cuz it's starting to happen a lot.
• 27:53
  >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because they can't come into your house and take those yet. >> No.
• 27:58
  >> [laughter] >> Maybe one day. >> I reckon they'll they'll be able to work
• 28:01
  out a way to cuz everything's going to have an update so they'll just update
• 28:05
  that it won't play discs before this date. >> Yeah, something stupid.
• 28:09
  But the here's the thing though, games are different in that
• 28:14
  uh you buy a movie on Blu-ray, the Blu-ray goes in the machine, it works
• 28:18
  forever. Games are not like that. >> No. >> Especially these days. You buy You go to
• 28:22
  the store, you buy a game day one, put it in your computer, it's going to need an update.
• 28:27
  >> E- even if you do- you have to connect to your consoles to the internet. You You have
• 28:34
  to. Even on the game the package you you buy, even though you have a disc, it'll
• 28:39
  go, "Will not require internet connection." >> Yeah. Yeah, and like they all have day one
• 28:44
  updates. And often it's the whole [ __ ] game just has to be installed
• 28:48
  over again cuz they have to fix everything. It's just the discs are effectively useless
• 28:54
  anyway. Like even I remember back when I played Red Dead Redemption on my
• 29:00
  PlayStation 2. That doesn't make any sense. No, it
• 29:04
  must have been the Xbox. What did I play it on? Anyway, it needed an update for
• 29:09
  the cuz there was controller issues. >> Yep. >> And
• 29:12
  uh we had just moved house and I didn't have internet connected yet and I was
• 29:14
  trying to play this game and I was like this is [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Yeah. Yep.
• 29:18
  >> And then I got the update and I was like oh no, actually it's great. But >> Yep.
• 29:21
  >> And that was over 10 years ago. >> Look, I think the first one of them to
• 29:25
  come out and go you can sell on or lend out your digital
• 29:30
  games is going to make a fortune. >> Yeah, but still they've got to they've got to
• 29:37
  >> [clears throat] >> I think if what if some of the one of them came out and said we're
• 29:42
  legally binding ourselves to not being able to take it away from you again.
• 29:47
  That's the problem. >> Mhm. >> Like you are buying this, not you're
• 29:51
  renting it. That's the that's the discrepancy is that when I buy a
• 29:54
  Blu-ray, I'm not renting it. I've bought it. I've got it. It's mine. When I buy it on
• 30:00
  iTunes or Xbox or whatever, it's basically a rental.
• 30:04
  >> Look, everyone's just going to go back to pirating.
• 30:06
  >> That that's the other talk, too, is but then Well, that's not a great solution
• 30:11
  because then there's no business, you know? >> It's not, but again, remember at the
• 30:14
  height of piracy when Australia was we were the worst pirates in the world.
• 30:19
  And then every time a movie was released here, record profits. >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:24
  We do pay well, I don't anymore. I live in heavy here now, but we did pay extra. >> Yes.
• 30:30
  >> That's why everybody was pirating. Oh, that and the um
• 30:33
  that and for those who don't know, Australia had a really bad reputation
• 30:37
  for piracy around TV shows and stuff, too. Like especially Game of Thrones.
• 30:41
  But that's because they wouldn't let us [ __ ] have it until like weeks later.
• 30:46
  We couldn't get it. So like you would all be watching it in America and
• 30:49
  everything and talking about it online and Australia's like we haven't even got
• 30:52
  it yet. And so the only way to participate in the culture was to pirate it.
• 30:57
  >> And it wasn't like there wasn't like oh you had to pay if you paid for it you
• 31:01
  could there was no legal way. >> it. And I'm not excusing the piracy. I'm
• 31:05
  just saying like if you if you want to know why like it's not [ __ ] hard to
• 31:08
  figure it out like >> Piracy really stopped here once they made stuff available. >> Yeah.
• 31:14
  >> Like Netflix and all of that. But then even when we're starting this podcast
• 31:18
  and we're all this is coming out we did say people are going to go back when
• 31:21
  they start bringing out too many streaming services too much competition because
• 31:27
  while it's available you don't want to have to buy pay 20 different
• 31:30
  subscriptions to get all the shows you want. >> Yes.
• 31:33
  >> And that's where we are today. You can't have one. I don't want to watch Silo
• 31:38
  now. And I have to get Apple again. >> Remember Netflix came out and it was like
• 31:43
  we can just get Netflix and watch everything. And it was was like that for
• 31:47
  a little bit. And then all the studios were like you know what let's just
• 31:50
  [ __ ] make our own. >> Yep. And then they own this license and they
• 31:54
  own that property and then every time I go on to delete one I go oh I want to watch this.
• 32:01
  >> Or stuff like when I was watching Mr. Robot and I was in I was enjoying Mr. Robot
• 32:06
  and it was on Prime and I was got up to season 4 and then
• 32:11
  all of a sudden it wasn't there anymore. And then they're like oh it's on Netflix
• 32:14
  now. And I was like [ __ ] all right. >> Like that happened to me recently watching Lex.
• 32:20
  >> Yeah. Oh. >> Lex Lex. And I watched season 1 season 2 season 3 [laughter]
• 32:27
  >> Got up to watch season 3 and no we don't have that. We got season 4 for you
• 32:30
  though. And I went >> Oh I hate that. What is that about?
• 32:33
  Yeah. I want to watch I want to watch the show. Yeah we've got seasons 2 5, 7,
• 32:37
  and 9. What the [ __ ] is that about? >> [laughter] >> So annoying.
• 32:42
  Yeah, I will never understand how that licensing ever worked out. >> Yeah.
• 32:49
  But uh Yeah, so Sony's not going to make discs anymore. >> Yeah.
• 32:53
  >> At all. Citing consumer preference. So this means people don't want them.
• 32:58
  >> It's I know people Yeah, there is a renaissance and everything, but at the
• 33:03
  end of the day, people are buying digital. >> Yeah. >> Like that's what's happening.
• 33:07
  >> I personally think if I was going to buy a movie, I'd probably buy it physical
• 33:12
  for the reasons I said is that I then have a disc. Uh
• 33:16
  they can't take the disc away from me. It will work forever. >> Yeah.
• 33:20
  >> But games, that doesn't apply. The game's useless on disc, frankly.
• 33:25
  >> Yeah. It's exactly the same. Like unless you're buying unless you're like
• 33:30
  buying like an an old Xbox 360 or something, like those discs will still
• 33:34
  work day one. They might not work great depending on the bugs that are there. >> Yeah.
• 33:39
  >> But anywhere from Xbox One and PlayStation 4 onwards, >> Yeah.
• 33:44
  >> I don't know how that works. They'll be yeah, as you said, completely useless.
• 33:49
  >> Yeah, because you need the digital aspect of it for it to function. Yeah.
• 33:54
  So I just I don't know, games just it's just not worth the worry, to be honest. >> No. No.
• 33:59
  >> Which is I'm not saying that's that's right or anything. >> No. Like it's annoying
• 34:04
  >> and I think wrong that they can still do it, but I don't think the disc helps in
• 34:08
  that scenario. >> No. No. No, I'm I'm still for the we should stop
• 34:14
  killing games sort of movement. I don't know how that works, but we should be able to have
• 34:18
  >> It's tough. >> be able to just still There are games out there that they just
• 34:23
  Like oh, there was um Planet of the Apes, there was a a Telltale like game
• 34:29
  that came out. I I it's about 6 years ago. They just took it off the store. Disney
• 34:34
  just took it off the store and that's gone forever. >> Yeah. >> Unless you own it.
• 34:38
  >> A bunch of old Star Wars games they got rid of. >> Yeah.
• 34:41
  >> Disney took just said no we're not going to sell these anymore. >> Yep. Gone. >> Yeah.
• 34:47
  >> Unless you already have them. They're >> Like >> on your account that's it.
• 34:51
  >> GOG has a good solution for a lot of stuff. But that's only because they're
• 34:56
  able to negotiate that with the publisher like >> Yeah.
• 34:59
  >> I think if you buy like The Witcher 3 or Cyberpunk through Good Old Games
• 35:05
  >> Mhm. >> I'd be surprised if this is not the case. I haven't confirmed this. I think
• 35:09
  it's like the old games they have like the old DOS games. Like if you I know
• 35:12
  for a fact if you buy Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis from Good Old Games
• 35:16
  >> You've got it. >> You can download the installer. >> Yeah.
• 35:19
  >> No DRM or anything and then you can back that up. And that is yours forever and
• 35:23
  it will always work as long as you have a computer that can run it.
• 35:26
  >> Yes. I don't [laughter] guarantee that. >> I don't guarantee that but you'll always
• 35:30
  have the thing that will work. Uh and I think it's the same I'd be
• 35:35
  surprised if it's not the same with the AAA titles. >> Mhm. >> But
• 35:40
  they're not all like that. >> Mhm. >> Because you're not going to convince Microsoft
• 35:45
  or Sony that like they should you do that with you know like The Elder Scrolls
• 35:50
  6 when it comes out. You're not You're not going to be able to do >> No. No.
• 35:55
  They will be locking that thing down so hard. >> Yeah.
• 35:59
  And like even Switch games now like oh this to get the physical version of the Switch game
• 36:05
  it's not you still have to download it. Like you put the
• 36:08
  the cartridge just unlocks it. It's got there's nothing on the cartridge except
• 36:12
  a little code that says yeah you can play it. And then you still have to install it. Yeah.
• 36:18
  >> and terrible time for games all at the same time.
• 36:21
  >> It is. Anyway but people are canceling PS Plus in protest of the disk situation which
• 36:26
  >> Yeah, that's a >> I don't know if that's going to >> strange way to go about it.
• 36:32
  >> Yeah. >> Like >> I mean, that's the message. >> Depending on how many people do it, and
• 36:38
  it really needs to be a lot for it to make a >> Mhm. >> So yeah, sort of take notice.
• 36:43
  >> The PS Plus is like Game Pass for the anyone who doesn't know. It's like your monthly
• 36:48
  PlayStation subscription, you get free games, and you get uh
• 36:52
  you know, extra stuff every month. Uh people are canceling that in protest.
• 36:57
  >> Uh he's he's something in the article, which it sort of yeah, does explain like
• 37:01
  around So they've got So he has over 120 million active PlayStation users, around
• 37:05
  50 million people subscribe to PlayStation Plus. >> Mhm.
• 37:08
  >> As a sort of experiment, let's say 500,000 people cancel in protest.
• 37:13
  That's 1% of business. They're not going to start rethinking anything. Like it's
• 37:16
  going to have to be in the millions, and you're not going to have millions of people
• 37:21
  protesting like this. >> Yeah. Yeah, and then like what's it Again,
• 37:28
  what's it going to do? I think the protest is misguided in that the discs
• 37:33
  don't serve the function that people seem to think that they do. >> No. >> Like again,
• 37:39
  if you buy a PlayStation game on a disc, that doesn't mean
• 37:44
  you can just have the disc and a PlayStation forever, and then after the
• 37:47
  apocalypse, you can set up the PlayStation and put the disc in and play
• 37:50
  the game. It's it's not going to work like that. Like that's the
• 37:54
  >> So the moral of the story, people, keep your PlayStation 3s >> Yeah.
• 37:59
  >> Xbox 360s, and stock up on them. Cuz when the apocalypse comes, that's all you got.
• 38:04
  >> You can play. The ev- everything else just doesn't work like that anymore. >> No.
• 38:09
  >> Mhm. It's a shame, but that's the world we live in.
• 38:14
  >> And we also got to fire at They've got to fire everyone as well.
• 38:17
  >> That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so they'll all these things will
• 38:20
  stop working eventually because they'll have fired everybody. >> Exactly.
• 38:24
  >> And they I will have taken over the world and AI doesn't make good games.
• 38:30
  >> Yet. >> I don't think it ever will. >> No.
• 38:34
  >> I was looking at it I saw something recently about the
• 38:39
  the storytelling of AI at the moment and you can basically they've got a 95%
• 38:44
  um rating of working out which AI not only that AI wrote it that which AI wrote it.
• 38:50
  >> Oh, interesting. >> how they all sort of work together.
• 38:53
  Which is with human writing something they go here, there, sub plots. >> Yeah.
• 38:58
  >> very differently. But with the AI stuff it's very I don't know this AI thinks
• 39:02
  like this will go down this path and yeah. >> Uh that's interesting. Yeah, I wonder if how
• 39:08
  maybe I should do experiment. Ask it ask it to write a like a full
• 39:14
  plot for an adventure game and see what it comes up with. I wonder what kind of
• 39:17
  weird [ __ ] it would come up with. >> Yeah. It comes weird stuff. But yeah, it
• 39:20
  it'll probably be from what I've seen it would be a bit linear. It wouldn't come
• 39:23
  up with weird stuff that we would with with we were writing it.
• 39:27
  >> Oh, interesting. All right. >> Yeah.
• 39:31
  >> I have asked it before. I remember I asked it
• 39:36
  about a puzzle idea and it it just came up with like
• 39:41
  I was like no this is no good. I can't remember what I can't what was it? I
• 39:44
  remember just looking at it going I yeah you don't get it like >> [snorts]
• 39:48
  >> I don't know. It's hard to explain. Like it just doesn't
• 39:52
  doesn't get it a lot of the time. Like >> Look and it it could could change in the
• 39:57
  future but by that time we not going to have to worry about cuz
• 40:01
  we're not going to have electricity cuz all the electricity will all be going to
• 40:04
  the data centers. So we're not going to have access to it anyway.
• 40:07
  >> Well what are they going to provide data to? If the data if yeah, I guess that's the
• 40:11
  >> Yeah. >> They have all these data centers and nobody with electricity to use them.
• 40:15
  >> But isn't that happening some American towns now that they're basically going
• 40:18
  you work out where you're getting your power now cuz we're selling it all to
• 40:21
  the data center down the road even though you built >> There was a case, let me
• 40:27
  I think it was XAI data center.
• 40:31
  Uh Memphis, is it the one? Uh Yeah, Memphis.
• 40:37
  Uh Colossus 2. It's like a
• 40:42
  It's I think allegedly an illegal
• 40:45
  power station. Uh power to power
• 40:49
  I guess Grock and the XAI stuff. And um there's one case, I forget exactly where
• 40:55
  it was, I don't I'm not going to try to be too specific, but I remember I heard
• 40:58
  about the town they put taxes up and people were all like, yeah, yeah, more
• 41:03
  power cuz we have problems with the power grid or whatever and then they
• 41:05
  they paid for this infrastructure and then they were like, oh, data center is
• 41:09
  going in. So, all power is going over there now, so [ __ ] you. >> Yeah.
• 41:14
  Yeah, even though they paid for it all and >> Yeah, and they all going to go to data
• 41:17
  center on the basis that it was supposed to solve the problem. Yeah.
• 41:20
  >> Guarantee you the data center's also going to get tax cuts and everything and
• 41:26
  >> Yeah. But, we need to be able to make those scam
• 41:31
  phone calls. Oh man, I found this great video the other day.
• 41:35
  Uh I'll see if I can find it for the show notes, but it was a It's a guy who
• 41:38
  does the scam calls on YouTube. Yeah, there's there's a few channels like that.
• 41:41
  >> Yeah, there's a few of them, yeah, yeah. Yep. >> There's this one
• 41:45
  where you get the scam calls that are just AI. It's just an AI bot that talks
• 41:50
  to you. And he says to it, um Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you.
• 41:55
  I've I'm hard of hearing. It would help me a lot if you could just pronounce all the
• 41:59
  all the punctuation as you talk. For example, if you're going if there's a
• 42:03
  comma, if you could say comma and then full stop, that would really help me.
• 42:06
  And then if they ask like, I'm happy to do that for you, comma. No problem at
• 42:10
  all. And then it starts doing that. And then he gets Okay, I'm sorry to trouble
• 42:15
  Could you like say the punctuation twice every time you >> [laughter]
• 42:19
  >> say comma, comma, full stop, full stop. And he keeps doing it. And then he goes,
• 42:22
  "Okay. And then every time you uh you say a word with the letter N, I have
• 42:28
  trouble hearing the letter N or So, could you say Albuquerque, New Mexico?" >> [laughter]
• 42:34
  >> And then it starts doing it. And then he's like gets into this loop because he
• 42:38
  says, "I also need you to do it every time you say the letter N in the word
• 42:41
  Albuquerque, New Mexico." >> [laughter] >> And then he literally just starts going
• 42:44
  Albuquerque, New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico,
• 42:47
  Albuquerque, New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico. And he
• 42:49
  like puts it on hold. And he comes back and says, >> [snorts]
• 42:52
  >> doing that infinitely. Anyway, lots of fun. >> That's That's amazing. I I want to try
• 42:56
  that. But we're I don't think we're getting AI calls here yet. >> Oh, really?
• 43:00
  >> Or not that I've got anyway. >> It's good because it's funny and it costs them money.
• 43:06
  >> Costs them money. And it also means that that's one line not going out to someone
• 43:09
  else. But that doesn't really matter that too much anymore. It's all Yeah.
• 43:13
  >> Also, as we discussed, it costs them money, but it's also
• 43:16
  technically destroying the planet, I suppose, because >> Yeah. But
• 43:19
  >> But not as much money as it actually costs. >> We don't care about the planet anymore.
• 43:24
  That we gave up on that. >> Yeah, we figured that out, I think. We solved that.
• 43:27
  >> Like global warming, all that that's that That's all over. We
• 43:32
  need to make people have bigger boobs. >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:37
  >> That's it. >> True, true. Um we've got some follow-up.
• 43:44
  Uh we talked about Uwe Boll's new film Citizen Vigilante briefly. >> Yes.
• 43:49
  >> It was initially uh not being distributed because
• 43:55
  well, I don't think it's very good, but also because um
• 44:00
  Uwe Boll is apparently quite right-wing and um the film is
• 44:05
  controversial in that sense, I believe. I'm going to watch it. I haven't seen it yet.
• 44:09
  >> Mhm. >> But the understanding is that it's a violent, incoherent, morally bankrupt
• 44:14
  slice of exploitation. >> I could see that. >> Um. >> Yeah.
• 44:20
  >> And and it couldn't get distribution,
• 44:22
  but then apparently on on X, Elon Musk
• 44:27
  uh posted the film the complete movie on his account on X.
• 44:34
  And and people were like getting behind it, you know, as people
• 44:38
  do. Not I mean not necessarily because they like it, just because it's become a
• 44:42
  thing. Where it's like, "Well, this guy, you know, people don't like his movie.
• 44:45
  That's That's not right." So now it's getting distributed.
• 44:50
  >> Yeah. So yeah, if you had have seen it at the time, you could have downloaded
• 44:53
  it in its entirety for >> Apparently so. >> for 48 hours.
• 44:57
  >> Yeah, but now it's being Now it's been picked up because there is an interest
• 45:00
  in it. And it's actually the money that people businesses care about. But the
• 45:04
  other thing is that Armie Hammer has come out in an interview, and apparently
• 45:08
  he's freaking out because he became controversial. I don't know if you
• 45:13
  remember this Armie Hammer cannibal business. >> Oh, yes, yes.
• 45:16
  >> Yeah. So he got canceled over a bunch of stuff like I think I can't remember
• 45:21
  exactly what it was. I believe there was some allegations made against him. >> Yeah.
• 45:25
  >> And he got canceled, and he's been very quiet for a while. >> Yeah.
• 45:28
  >> Uh after being quite a big star briefly. >> Yeah, cuz it's hard to come back from
• 45:34
  from that. >> Yeah. More about that in the afterparty,
• 45:36
  actually. We've got some afterparty uh news. But um
• 45:42
  So this is kind of the a big thing for him to to be making a comeback, and he
• 45:48
  was approached uh about the film, and he wasn't sent the whole script. He was
• 45:53
  just sent parts of it, and he said, "Where's the whole Where's the rest of
• 45:57
  the script?" And apparently Uwe Boll said to him, "Don't worry about it.
• 46:01
  We're going to make a fun film. It's going to be fun. You're going to come
• 46:03
  in. It's going to be great. And then he said, "All right." >> All right.
• 46:06
  >> So he came in and he did his scenes. >> Mhm. >> And then apparently
• 46:12
  saw the movie afterwards and started panicking because he
• 46:18
  So okay, this is uh uh someone in Armie Hammer's publicity
• 46:24
  team said Armie Hammer called him crying and saying >> Oh.
• 46:30
  >> [ __ ] this is a hateful disgusting piece of [ __ ] Like what do we do? What do we
• 46:34
  do now? How I don't want to be in this movie anymore.
• 46:37
  >> It's too late. You already got the check and it's done. >> Yeah. >> Oh.
• 46:43
  >> Yeah. So Uh he also said that um he was so desperate for work he would have done a
• 46:48
  [ __ ] cat food commercial at that point, which is why he said yes. >> Yeah.
• 46:53
  >> And then uh >> Just I'll do anything and he did anything and that's what you get. So he
• 46:58
  got a 250,000 for it. >> Yep. >> And he's regretting it. He thinks his
• 47:03
  career's going to be making a comeback to Well, still could.
• 47:09
  >> It's possible. He might get some good will from this.
• 47:12
  >> He gets some good will from this this uh angle, I suppose. >> Yeah.
• 47:17
  Yeah. Well, he could lean on to lean into either side.
• 47:21
  >> He did say he'd come back for the sequel. Uh which is a funny thing to end the
• 47:25
  interview on. >> [laughter] >> Are you upset about that, then?
• 47:31
  >> He said they That's what people were jumping on. But what he actually said was
• 47:35
  if they asked you to do a sequel, they asked him would you would you do a
• 47:38
  sequel to this movie? And he said it would have to be life-changing money.
• 47:43
  Everyone has a breaking point. So >> Ah. >> Sure. I mean, I'd [ __ ] do the sequel
• 47:49
  to this movie for that much money. >> right right. >> right amount. That's uh
• 47:52
  >> Everyone has a price. >> Yeah. So he didn't say, "Oh yeah, I'd do
• 47:56
  the sequel." He said, "If they paid me 50 bajillion dollars, obviously I would." But
• 48:02
  >> Yeah. All right. Well, you I'm not going to see it, but
• 48:08
  >> I'll watch it. >> I'll watch it. It's going to It's coming to Amazon Prime in the US.
• 48:14
  >> Yeah. I Uwe Boll is very interesting to me.
• 48:19
  >> He is. But I I I liked it when he was just making horrible cut but video game
• 48:26
  adaptations. That's what I like him for. Like all of those Postal um
• 48:33
  Bloodrayne >> all the stuff all the stuff he's doing
• 48:34
  now is like it's just darker than that. Like >> Mhm. >> he's like
• 48:39
  It's like he's trying to say something and I don't think I don't know if I like
• 48:42
  what he's trying to say. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> It was better when he wasn't trying to
• 48:47
  say anything. >> Could you keep that in your inside voice? >> [laughter]
• 48:52
  >> Just make the funny zombie movie that's fun. >> Yeah. >> That was fun. Yeah.
• 48:58
  He's weird, dude. >> So, I nearly went and saw a movie today.
• 49:01
  I'm not going to get to see it next week, but I'll try and see it the week after. >> Mhm.
• 49:05
  >> Evil Dead. >> Oh, yeah. I've heard of >> That came out. Yes.
• 49:10
  So, I I was hoping to go see it today, but I didn't get a chance. But and I'm
• 49:14
  not going to see it next week cuz I'm in hospital. >> Mhm.
• 49:17
  >> So, next week. So, you have to wait 2 weeks for a review of that.
• 49:19
  >> When do you get out of hospital? >> I don't know if I mean I go in tomorrow,
• 49:25
  which will be Sunday, and I could be 5 to 7 days. I don't know.
• 49:29
  >> Yeah, you won't won't recognize the passing of time while you're I assume. >> No.
• 49:34
  >> So, all right. >> So, I want but and then I will go see
• 49:38
  the Odyssey cuz someone put it in our Discord that I have to go and see the Odyssey.
• 49:43
  >> You're welcome. Yeah, I got to get to see the Odyssey.
• 49:46
  >> I'll review two movies in a week. >> The thing with the Odyssey is
• 49:51
  I it's getting rave reviews. They're saying it's the best thing he's ever done >> Yes. and
• 49:55
  >> But there's also a lot of hate as well. >> Well, the hate is around >> stupid stuff.
• 50:00
  >> Well, it's >> [sighs and gasps] >> it's creative decisions like the accent
• 50:04
  stuff and the >> Yeah. >> You know, the costumes aren't
• 50:08
  technically period correct. But like we talked about this already, The Odyssey was written
• 50:14
  as like fiction. >> Yes. >> It was historical fiction written in a
• 50:20
  period that wasn't correct anyway. So, like it's just it's weird to say that
• 50:25
  it's not accurate because it wasn't accurate anyway.
• 50:27
  >> It's not meant to be it wasn't made written to be accurate. It's a story. It's
• 50:32
  >> Yeah, exactly. It's like if you wrote a story about, I don't know, like a
• 50:35
  medieval story and you used a bunch of modern language and and modern things in there
• 50:40
  now and then someone made a movie of it in like hundreds of years and then
• 50:44
  people said, "Oh, yeah, it's not accurate." Like it wasn't accurate in
• 50:47
  the first place. Like Yeah. >> You know, yeah, I've been hearing it's
• 50:52
  been getting yeah, just everyone is everyone who's seen it. >> Mhm.
• 50:57
  >> Cuz a lot of that's always a lot of the hate comes from people who haven't seen
• 51:00
  the movie. >> No, when as soon as the trailer came out people were picking at things.
• 51:04
  >> Yeah. >> The thing I don't know is So, you know, he's a big IMAX guy. This
• 51:09
  is all shot on the IMAX cameras and everything like that. Do I need to
• 51:12
  bother going to see it in IMAX? >> Maybe. I don't think you do anymore.
• 51:18
  >> I mean, it's not that hard for me to go. It's just like an extra 15-minute drive.
• 51:22
  So, do I need to? >> [laughter] >> I think the whole IMAX thing is sort of
• 51:27
  a bit over done with now. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's just me. I like I've only
• 51:33
  seen a couple of movies in IMAX and >> And the thing is
• 51:38
  I like wide screen. I I don't know. I like the I don't know. I just really like wide
• 51:44
  screen and IMAX is not wide screen. >> No. So
• 51:49
  I don't know. But also if that's the way he wanted it to be
• 51:53
  seen, that's the way he filmed it, I guess that's how I should watch it.
• 51:56
  I don't know, man. >> Is he paying for your ticket?
• 51:58
  >> No. No, I don't know. I'll call him and ask, but I don't think so.
• 52:02
  >> pays for your ticket, then he really wants you to see it in IMAX. If he's not
• 52:06
  willing to pay for it you see it how you want to see it. >> I want to see.
• 52:10
  Yeah, cuz there's an IMAX theater in Providence. I could go there. It's fine. I just
• 52:15
  >> Oh, can you get a ticket? >> Uh good question.
• 52:20
  >> want to see who got bought out, too. Who owns IMAX Providence?
• 52:24
  Oh, it's Apple Cinemas now. Not Apple Apple. >> Yeah. >> The >> But I want to see like if
• 52:29
  >> Yeah, somehow they're allowed to have that. >> when tickets went on pre-sale, the
• 52:32
  people were spending stupid amounts of money. >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:39
  >> Whereas whereas all you have to do is just wait because if the people are
• 52:43
  spending that much money you got to see the movie you want to
• 52:45
  >> It's going to hang around for a little while. I could go on Thursday at
• 52:49
  6:00 p.m. in theory. >> Yeah. You just got to give Nolan a call, see
• 52:56
  if he's willing to pay >> Yeah. Oh my god, the theater is nearly full
• 52:59
  though. I have to sit right up the front. >> Ooh. >> I don't want to do that in IMAX.
• 53:04
  >> You just have to make that decision now then. So you won't be seeing it in a few
• 53:08
  weeks then. >> Yeah. You know what I I I >> I yeah, if the cinema's full for that
• 53:13
  now, I'm not going. I don't go to the movies when it's full. >> No.
• 53:20
  >> No, I don't like people. >> No. People are kind of annoying. Well I
• 53:26
  It depends, right? A movie like this, it could be good. I saw Dune
• 53:30
  and Dune part two at the IMAX actually, both. And with a big crowd. That was
• 53:34
  pretty good cuz the crowd was quite people were there to see the movie. I
• 53:37
  think the problem is when you go to like a uh a less uh
• 53:44
  formal scenario. Is that [laughter] the way to say it?
• 53:47
  You know what I mean? Like if you just go to your normal cinema and it's a
• 53:49
  bunch of people who are just there for like a party. Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 53:55
  I think if you're watching the Odyssey in IMAX day one, you're probably there
• 53:59
  to watch the movie, you know? >> Yes. Oh, let's see. Cuz it comes out this week.
• 54:05
  >> Mhm. >> So I don't know. Why am I even looking? Cuz
• 54:09
  I'm not going to not going to be able to see it this week.
• 54:12
  >> No. You're going to be in Canada. >> That's probably good. Oh, yeah. By the
• 54:14
  time I come out, people will stop going and I'll be fine. >> [snorts] >> There you go.
• 54:19
  I've got to see it before I go into hospital. >> Yeah. >> So.
• 54:24
  We're all We're all being hospitalized lately. Yeah. Getting old, man. >> showing off.
• 54:28
  >> Although apparently my issue is not that I'm getting old. My issue is that I was
• 54:31
  born this way, apparently. So, that's fun. >> And it's just taken this long to work it
• 54:36
  out. >> Mhm. Yeah. I've got to get my >> a seat belt. Which is sort of good.
• 54:41
  >> Got to get my spinal cord fixed, everybody. >> Yep.
• 54:44
  >> It's going to be fine. It's just got to be done, so. Mhm.
• 54:48
  >> I'd do it, but I'm not there. I could fix it.
• 54:51
  >> Yeah. Yes. With a pair of scissors and a some duct >> a power drill.
• 54:55
  >> Power drill. All right. [laughter] >> Like I don't have time to hang around
• 54:58
  with just a pair of scissors. >> Fair enough. >> Get in, get out. >> Yeah.
• 55:03
  Uh okay, a couple of other things. Uh some TV news.
• 55:08
  Uh what One show that's not coming back ever, apparently, is Mindhunter.
• 55:14
  And David Fincher said this week, "Stop asking him about it." >> [laughter]
• 55:17
  >> He's [ __ ] sick of it cuz he's annoyed that it's not coming back. And he hates
• 55:22
  it when people ask him because he has to say, "No. It's not coming back. It's done."
• 55:25
  >> I don't remember Mindhunter. >> Kidding me? It's [ __ ] excellent.
• 55:32
  Mindhunter's really good. It's about the FBI's uh you know, like when they finally
• 55:38
  realized serial killers weren't just evil, there was like some sort there was
• 55:42
  like a psychology to it and you could kind of talk to them and um
• 55:48
  there were patterns and you could figure out you know, maybe why they became
• 55:53
  serial killers and they kind of the FBI formed this division to kind of
• 55:57
  investigate and then figured it out. Oh, yeah, okay.
• 56:01
  Yeah, cuz it before that it was kind of like no, no, they're just evil. >> Yeah.
• 56:05
  >> And then it's like, well, no. Like there's something going on there, you know?
• 56:09
  >> But you're you're definitely not getting a season three? >> Season three. Mm. >> Yeah.
• 56:15
  >> It's a shame cuz that was very good. >> Stop asking cuz it makes me sad. I
• 56:19
  wonder So, this happened sort of just before pandemic time. So, was it
• 56:23
  canceled before because of that or just >> I think the problem,
• 56:28
  if I recall correctly, is that it was very expensive. Mm. Because it's Fincher. >> Yeah.
• 56:34
  >> And it was well-regarded, but it wasn't like
• 56:39
  you know, a mainstream it wasn't wasn't Teyon Demon Hunters or, you know, >> Stranger
• 56:44
  >> Wednesday or whatever. Yeah, exactly. It was kind of a bit niche.
• 56:49
  >> Like people who watched it liked it, but you weren't getting everyone hanging out
• 56:52
  to see >> a mainstream show. It's it's a yeah.
• 56:56
  So, I think that was the problem. Uh
• 57:02
  Yeah. But a show that has been renewed before season season two even has come
• 57:07
  out yet is a show that I really liked and it's Ludwig. Which is
• 57:12
  David Mitchell, one of my favorite comedians. Uh the show where he plays
• 57:19
  the brother of a detective, the twin brother of a detective who has to pretend to be
• 57:25
  the detective brother and solve murders. >> So, this I still need to watch.
• 57:30
  >> It's really good. >> Uh >> It's really good. So, the gist of it is
• 57:34
  that yeah, David Mitchell is a twin. He plays one one twin.
• 57:38
  Uh his brother is a detective in the police force. He writes puzzles for newspapers. Like
• 57:45
  crossword puzzles and and kind of he he makes puzzles. Anyway, his brother goes missing
• 57:50
  and to figure out what happened to him, he pretends to be his brother,
• 57:55
  which means he has to go and pretend to be a police detective. >> And uh
• 57:59
  it's great. It's really good. And he find and he discovers that he likes
• 58:01
  solving murders because it's a puzzle. >> It's a puzzle. Yeah, and I can see that.
• 58:06
  So, I'm all in for it. I just need to watch it. >> Yeah, it's really good. Anyway, so
• 58:10
  they've got uh season 2's been filmed. It's not out yet, but they've just
• 58:14
  pre-announced yeah, there's going to be a season 3 as well. So, yeah, that's good news.
• 58:19
  >> Yeah, no, definitely I I don't know why I haven't seen this yet.
• 58:24
  I mean, I could have come >> You've got to watch it. >> what something that's on.
• 58:29
  That could be the problem. >> I highly recommend checking it out. It's
• 58:32
  really funny. It's funny and good and clever and fun.
• 58:35
  >> It's probably on BritBox, I'm going to guess. >> Yeah, I think it is, actually.
• 58:41
  I mean, being in Australia, I think that's where I watched it. >> BritBox and Binge.
• 58:46
  >> Binge. >> Binge. I forgot about Binge. >> Ah.
• 58:52
  The bi- the word Binge just reminded me I watched the Australian Last One Laughing.
• 58:59
  >> Did you laugh? >> No. Uh I laughed at I once, maybe twice.
• 59:05
  >> Yeah, there was a couple of times, but it was not good. >> Good lord.
• 59:10
  >> Did you watch the Canadian one? >> No. No. The Australian one really put me off cuz
• 59:15
  I was like, [ __ ] man. Like, first of all, is this what people think
• 59:20
  Australian comedy is? Cuz that was weird, man. >> Uh the Australian I I don't know because
• 59:25
  they even had like Rebel Wilson come to do it and Rebel Wilson hasn't been done
• 59:29
  anything in Australia in years. >> I know. And then they had people in
• 59:33
  there who I think are genuinely very funny. Like Ed Gamble is very funny. >> Mhm.
• 59:37
  >> And I he got kicked out of the show halfway through for not participating,
• 59:41
  but I'm like, "I don't think he knew what to do with these people." Cuz it was weird, man.
• 59:47
  Like I was feel like I honestly felt like he he probably just didn't want anything to
• 59:52
  do with it. Cuz they were just Like getting shoving stuff up their ass and like
• 59:58
  It's just it got really strange. >> Yeah. No, I look the the Canadian one I
• 1:00:04
  quite like. They had like Colin Mockery and >> Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:07
  >> I love Colin Mockery and and then you I forget the other ones, but
• 1:00:12
  You when you they come on you go, "Oh, I know them from that. I know like you
• 1:00:15
  know them all." >> Yeah. That's the way I felt with the
• 1:00:17
  Australian one. There's there's someone I know like IRL was in there and I was
• 1:00:21
  like, "Okay, that's cool." And then uh like um Frank Woodley. Love him.
• 1:00:25
  Love Ed Gamble. Love him. And Like I said, but it just it got so strange. Um
• 1:00:31
  the British one is so good. I was like >> Well, I think it's cuz the British one
• 1:00:37
  I don't know. I think there's the British one a lot of those people they
• 1:00:41
  are doing a lot more comedy in different shows and things over there. There's not
• 1:00:45
  a lot in Australia. >> Yeah, man. I guess so. Uh yeah. >> I I I I
• 1:00:51
  The Canadian one was good. English one was good. Australian one was not good.
• 1:00:55
  I'd hate I look I hope American never finds out about this show though. >> [laughter]
• 1:01:00
  >> I can't imagine they'd be good at it. Yeah. >> I would be horrible. I don't even know
• 1:01:04
  what even comedians they'd get on there.
• 1:01:09
  >> Bill Burr. No. >> I'd like to see Bill Burr on Taskmaster.
• 1:01:15
  >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they the British I think just their sense of humor works better.
• 1:01:21
  I I cuz I think actually it's I think it's a Japanese show originally, I found
• 1:01:25
  out when I was looking into it. Because I was like I don't know. The British
• 1:01:28
  one, I feel like they they're funny, they make jokes, they try to be clever. >> Yes.
• 1:01:32
  >> to to make people laugh and that. And then this one was just like they're just
• 1:01:36
  trying to poop and fart and like yell swear words and like really loudly and
• 1:01:41
  it it was weird. So, I don't know if this if the Canadian one is more clever. I
• 1:01:45
  heard the German one's very good, but it's also in German, which I don't speak. >> So.
• 1:01:51
  >> I'd have to see if it works with subtitles. >> Yeah, I wouldn't go Yeah, Germany is not
• 1:01:56
  really the one that I'd go to for >> Mhm. >> laughs, but okay. >> Yeah.
• 1:02:00
  But anyway, I noticed they've not made any more seasons of the Australian one, so. >> No.
• 1:02:04
  >> It seems unlikely to happen. Seems to have been broadly an embarrassment.
• 1:02:09
  >> And even that that first season was years ago, so yeah, I definitely don't
• 1:02:11
  think it's coming back. And you think they would have because
• 1:02:15
  it was such a cheap show to make. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, one day of shooting.
• 1:02:19
  >> Even That was the other thing, too. Production values versus the British one
• 1:02:22
  were much lower. You could tell. >> Yeah. >> It was just literally they just shoved
• 1:02:26
  them in a room. >> But yeah, but yeah, like it's yeah, one
• 1:02:29
  day of shooting, you pay them what they've You pay You don't have to pay them as
• 1:02:34
  much cuz it is one day of shooting. You get in, you film it, [clears throat] you
• 1:02:37
  get out, editing done. >> Yeah. >> [sighs] >> But yeah, so I was very disappointed.
• 1:02:44
  >> No. I think you should watch the Canadian one. I'm trying to remember
• 1:02:46
  other people in it. But yeah, you'll definitely know them.
• 1:02:52
  >> Okay. >> There's Green.
• 1:02:57
  Used to hate him. >> Tom Green? >> Tom Green. >> Tom Green is in it?
• 1:03:02
  >> Tom Green is in it. >> [ __ ] hell. All right. All right. I'll check that out.
• 1:03:08
  Before we go, one brief thing. You saw a movie the other week, Supergirl, and you
• 1:03:12
  said you were unimpressed by it, basically. >> Yes. >> Uh it's >> As a lot of other people
• 1:03:18
  >> Well, it's it's gotten worse than that on the internet, actually. It's one of
• 1:03:21
  those phenomenons where everyone just decides they're going to
• 1:03:25
  [ __ ] hate and [ __ ] on a movie. Uh, I don't know if a lot of people have even
• 1:03:29
  seen it, but like that [ __ ] turned real quick after Superman.
• 1:03:34
  Like, James Gunn's going to save DC. >> Yeah. >> And then now everyone's like, what is
• 1:03:41
  this [ __ ] disaster? Everyone hates >> One of the things that
• 1:03:45
  >> Milly Milly Bobby Brown. They hate her now? >> One of the things that they hate her cuz
• 1:03:49
  she wasn't hot enough and stuff and it sort of >> You thought she was hot before? What's
• 1:03:53
  What's going on? Like, I don't know. >> Like >> Yeah, it's feel really weird. Like
• 1:03:59
  It's It's gross. Like >> Yeah. It's I didn't like it, but I didn't like it
• 1:04:04
  because I didn't like the movie. I didn't like it because of
• 1:04:08
  I didn't find the actress attractive or something. Like, that's just seems a
• 1:04:11
  very strange way to >> I think it's Yeah, like I said, it's an internet pile-on.
• 1:04:17
  Like, not actual Well, it's hard, right? I don't want to say it's not valid
• 1:04:22
  criticism because from what I understand the movie's not that great. But then they go
• 1:04:26
  >> It's not. I I was honest about it. It's not. >> But they get weird. The internet gets
• 1:04:29
  weird about it. Like, yeah, the movie's not great and she's ugly. Like, okay.
• 1:04:34
  That's You don't leave That's not >> That's not why the movie's great. I don't think
• 1:04:39
  >> She's not. Exactly, she's [laughter] not. You're just being [ __ ] weird. >> Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  >> Like, why are you being weird? So strange.
• 1:04:49
  >> Yeah, it's just uh Yeah, it's just it is I do find it a
• 1:04:54
  shame that this is the second outing hasn't been as strong as
• 1:05:00
  Superman was and it's scary to see what's going to come from the future now cuz
• 1:05:05
  hopefully they just let him do his thing >> Mhm.
• 1:05:09
  >> and not try and jump in and take over. >> Because the interesting data point here
• 1:05:15
  is that apparently this has done worse than Blue Beetle, which is a movie that
• 1:05:20
  I don't think anyone even remembered existed, but that did better than this.
• 1:05:24
  Like how's that possible? >> This is This movie's everywhere.
• 1:05:28
  Everyone's I've cuz I've heard a lot of people talking about this. I heard no
• 1:05:31
  one talk about Blue Beetle when it came out. >> Apparently Blue Beetle's [clears throat]
• 1:05:34
  actually quite good. Uh >> Okay. >> But again, I forgot it existed because no one gave a
• 1:05:41
  [ __ ] Like >> Yeah. >> So yeah. But yeah, Supergirl's
• 1:05:47
  doing not good. >> Really bad. It's only what? 100 million
• 1:05:52
  and it cost 185 million to produce. Ouch. >> Not good.
• 1:05:59
  Anyway. Yeah. >> I've still got faith in James Gunn to do
• 1:06:05
  something. What's the next DC movie?
• 1:06:09
  >> Uh is it Man of Tomorrow? No. Clayface. >> Clayface. Okay. Oh, this might be This
• 1:06:15
  might be tough then. >> Mhm. Man of Tomorrow is next year and Clayface is later this year.
• 1:06:22
  >> Yeah, Clayface that might be a bit scary because >> Cuz it's a horror movie.
• 1:06:28
  >> It's a horror movie. Not a lot of people really know Clayface. When they think
• 1:06:32
  Superman, they don't Like a lot of the >> Clayface is more of a Batman kind of >> Yeah.
• 1:06:37
  >> villain, I think. >> So >> Mhm. I know him from the games.
• 1:06:43
  >> Yeah. So it's your third one. Now we'll see what happens. He's got a plan.
• 1:06:49
  >> Yep. Yep. We'll see how it goes. >> Pay the big bucks at the moment.
• 1:06:54
  >> Yep. Speaking of the big bucks, we don't have any We don't have any. So if you want to
• 1:06:59
  give us the little bucks, you can go to patreon.com/multinukegasm. For as little as
• 1:07:04
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  deciding Yeah, Luke's going to decide who's the best person who died this week.
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  >> And uh or two weeks, I guess, technically. >> Yeah, two weeks now.
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  >> And we've got some follow-up on some canceled celebrities. Some big-name
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  canceled celebrities. Somebody's back, and it's not Neil Gaiman this time. >> He I
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