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#13 - Bye Bye Release Wave Updates 👋🏻 · Unresolved Dependencies

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know, Sebastian, the thing about bananas is they're really, really tasty, really, really good, but you just gotta be so careful when you're sort of taking a bite.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: This is not how you eat bananas on the internet, Joseph.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is it not?
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was quite toasty.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: That mind you is whether it's not chicken banana.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Chicken banana.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Chicken banana.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: Chicken banana.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to a new episode of Unresolved Dependencies.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: With I feel that like nobody we are like in the magical 13th episode.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: We have more unresolved dependencies to when we started the whole thing.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: But this is maybe a problem between us.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: So where are you staying and where are you heading next?
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: So um at the moment I'm actually in a very lovely place in the Netherlands, Harlingen, uh, for the break.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that's gonna be really nice.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think you've been twice before as well.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um yes, yes.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, we've we've been there together um two years ago, right?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: We went on holiday together, didn't we?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that was crazy.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: That was crazy.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we haven't holiday.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, so here for a few days uh for holiday, but that isn't the um the clue or the answer from the last time.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: So the answer from last time, and again, the inbox has been completely inundated, you know, so many people really, really key on this feature.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: The answer from last time was uh Boston, if you're interested.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: I was in on the east coast, and that was very, very nice to see that city finally.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: Very nice.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: I had some nice food and stuff.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the next clue then where Joe is going to be next, you can let us know either on the social on the socials, Instagram, LinkedIn, or alternatively drop us an email at hello at unresolved dependencies.com.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: The place I'm going to be next, actually Boston had a memorial there that commemorated that city for a significant event that occurred in the 1950s.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and this city is also quite significant because it has is adjacent to a river that saddles four national capitals.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: Where are we going to where am I going to be next?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good hint of the river thingy.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_02: So that's where like I I do have an idea.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: I do have an idea.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: I I will not spoil it.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I will just go to uh my email and write an email to you hello at unresolveddependencies.com and send it in under a fake name, obviously, and then hopefully grab some stuff.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we we've we still not ordered the swag.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: We keep saying that's each week when we ordered the stuff, but I think yeah, given it's September next month, um, we probably need to focus on it.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um we we potentially should because I think we we are like we can come back to this later, maybe after the regular features, but we are I would call it the unresolved dependencies world tour, basically, in the next weeks and months.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: So this is our I think our combined uh travel schedule and which events we are at is insane, even for us.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: So we can you're you're you're going crazier than me because I think you're doing something like you're going straight from North America to Denmark and then Prague and all that sort of stuff.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I've I've also got my own trip involved as well.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, there is a lot.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: There is really so this this autumn and and winter season goes very well, I would say, from a speaker perspective, from my productive work.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's something to figure out.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: What also goes very well is um my new grill.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I I haven't I I finally own an own grill to have to do barbecues, so to just free something on the grill, um like chicken and steak and stuff like that, and vegetables, and can just grill whenever I want.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's it's totally crazy.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: So so my food highlight, I would say, is just having a barbecue, basically.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's super super basic, but it's like one of these like things I I've never owned before, and uh suddenly I have one.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's a um it's a gas grill, so um it's super easy to uh to operate.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: You just like turn it on and it heats up and you throw in your meat and go for it.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: Super nice.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm also now one of the uh barbecue dads.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: So standing you're sitting around the the the meat and watching it um getting tasty.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're officially German because yeah, every German needs to have a grill.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: So now you go and get your nationality, you can get your passport back.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: You're now officially a German again.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: So yes, finally, after 45 years, I I'm finally a German, so I I completed my my whole evolution line basically now.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_02: So everything I crossed now, everything, everything is done.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I have Lederhosen, I I drank beer, I have a grill.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: What else is there as a German?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's all good.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's all good.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the question is, what have you been eating on the grill?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: We need to know what we've been eating.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so so this is uh this is two different.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: So we had grilled twice already.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: So the first time was like old chicken, and the second one was actually a very nice steak from the local butcher because as you know, I'm I moved a little bit of places, so I'm not living in the city anymore.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm more on the countryside, and here everything's a bit more local, and we have a butcher here, which we literally don't have in the city, which is like not part of our major supermarket chain.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: So we we got some fruit from there, and this was really nice.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I would opt in for a steak, and my girlfriend made a very nice um salad with features and burrata and um some ham and stuff like that.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: I potentially she has snapped a photo because I was already like on the food uh after I had to grill it.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: So um I I will need to chat with her for a photo for Instagram, but uh I I yeah.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: So when you're I promise it gets better when you're cooking your steaks, then so what are you like kind of okay, just chuck it on super well, just well done, and then take it on.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: Are you one of these guys that's got these like thermometers that you put in and an app that then shows you the ideal temperature?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh so the fun thing is like the whole the the grill itself, it has like this temperature, it has the app, it has like the the um the temperature to like poke in into the meat and like um get the the um temperature from the meat directly.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um sorry, I have not used that yet to to poke in into the meat to see what is the temperature there, but I have used the the general um temperature and um was not cooking it well done, no.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: It was um I would say medium.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted to have it medium rare, but I failed on that.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: But for the first time it it was alright.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm getting there.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: You you you you chose the right temperature, yeah, because why would you why would you have well done steak?
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you've all you've already killed the poor animal.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you want to ruin it?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Burn it burn it to a crisp, so okay, yeah, yeah.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: You you chose a good temperature there.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, a big fan of medium rare, by the way.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that works well for me.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: Should we first so should maybe let's for a light start into the this is not gonna be light, I can tell you that.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not gonna be light.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: So it's not going to be light.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: So, but like to to build the chairs, uh the the steps there.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe we start with like our what is happening in September for us, because we will both be at the uh shift and enter summit.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: For me, it's the first time.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure I'm not sure you because you went there before.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Second time in Budapest, but yeah, first shift enter summit event.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I am very, very excited.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, this is literally when you listen to this episode this Friday.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: So if you are in Budapest or think about okay, Budapest is such a nice city, you should see it.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: I was there as well, like last year, um, but just for uh vacation.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: So if you think about like, yeah, that's a nice weekend trip.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: There's also a nice conference, um, directly like one day, it's I think on Friday, and um then we do as well have more things to do in September.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: So you already mentioned that I will travel from North America straight to to Denmark because uh Denmark will have the Nordic Summit where I will be as well.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: So this is as well something which I'm really looking forward to because over the past I don't know, three, four, five years where I'm um actively taking the stage on on events and trying to get speaking slots.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Nordic Summit has something of my or some kind of my nemesis because I always got declined over the years, it was so tough.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was incredible.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was always devastated when when I got declined.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: I I thought like it's it must be something personal because like okay, maybe just don't like this guy, and it's like no, it's totally fine.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's either me or you there.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's the rule.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, that that's the rule.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: So you're not there, I'm there right now.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_02: I literally have two sessions now.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: One one will be very tough because it's like 20 minutes, so I need to really focus on the topic.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I cannot do any like side tracks and uh cannot do any side quests during the session and explaining some random stuff.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: So I really need to focus on like this 20 minutes explaining doing the TED talk, going all into detail that everyone goes for goes out of this of the session.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, yeah, this is how it works.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then we met again in Prague, right?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: In the presence, yeah, looking forward to it.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and I'll be doing the uh headish summit, which is just before Nordic.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's say I won't be going to Nordic summit, so gonna be doing a session there with um the very amazing Daniel Askowitz again talking about MCP Mono Context Protocol, and we'll probably sneak some new stuff in here in there as well.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it feels like August has been quite a lot of new stuff actually happening, even though we're not supposed to be on holiday.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: So we literally as well need to rework our sessions, which we have like for the rest of the year, because there's so much new, especially like with the old Hornet stuff we have talked about last time, um, that we need as well to invoke into um our session.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: So if you come to our sessions, it's of course always the latest and greatest.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: So fresh, hot off the press.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we don't stop uh in front of any previews, we will invoke them into our session so that you always get the latest and newest um meal served.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I actually have more to do in September.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_02: So there is also a German event or for our German um followers.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: There is the AI Palousier Festival in Stuttgart on the 29th and 30th of September, where I will be also be there.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um we will have a brief, I will be there at our brief, and also have a session um which I have not decided yet.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's potentially something more general because the whole event is not Microsoft focused, which is nice, it's a little bit outside my comfort zone, so it's more addressing general AI topics, um, and not directly focusing on the Microsoft platform either.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: So also looking forward to that.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so about busy, busy September, and then yeah, and then it's directly first October weekend for Last of Uk and for us both to Scottish Summit.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm gonna be literally on the road after Prague, so hopping across to Baltic Summit.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: So in Gadagno Baltic Summit, yep, so that'll be my second time there.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: So looking forward to there talking about plugins, uh development.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Plugins are still a thing in Dataverse, so is it joke?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: It is, yeah.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: You can what is Dataverse again?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, well, you're gonna have to come to my session to find out.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um do that there, then off to uh Barcelona, FabCon.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna be on the data platform side.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: I've gone to the dark side, so gonna be there with uh other fellow MVP Cole Haddock, talking about um oh lakehouse security uh and how that can be sort of used alongside Dataverse and uh Fabric Link and things like that.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Then as you mentioned, I hop across then to Edinburgh versus Scottish Summit, which is which is gonna be very good.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: And looking forward to doing a session there with uh with AJ, all about agent uh agent 365 and does it play nice with non-Microsoft agents?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: So nice a lot of side checks for you.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: So yes, go and in between and in between there will be uh um a rather random travel to a complete to a completely random place, which I'll save for maybe a future episode.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um even traveling in between in between travels, uh I expect you to see you again with your big luggage, which is literally same size as Joe.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: He could literally walk into that.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's like your it's like your walking closet, but the closet is like walking on itself because it's that huge.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: So you can just literally sit in that closet and you get everything like from Jerry's polo shirts till his trousers, everything is in there.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: Basically, he packs his whole house into this into this suitcase and like travels around this with like for feet for weeks, for months, even.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I should just become a digital nomad at this point.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think yes, so it would much much more sense.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: It would save you a lot of friends, so electricity bills and stuff like that.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: You just like reduce your your luggage size, but yeah, and be briefly.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: You always have your closed video.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you there there are rumors that that Joseph wasn't home um for a half a year, basically, last year.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: So because he was just constantly in every summit that happens in the ecosystem.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: So incredible.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: This is this is how it goes.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: You're a rock star, Joseph.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm just guys we like to talk about.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: What can I say?
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah, and surprisingly, there are people who listen to you, but that's not thank you for that.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: But it's uh definitely something why we do have this podcast as well, and why we also have to do this podcast.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we also want to as well talk about new stuff which is um happening, and one of the new stuff which is happening is an always on road map.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, interesting.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to guess first what it is, or should I first explain it?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, my so for those who have been around the in the in the field for a while, we've always had this concept of like the the release waves, haven't we?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: So we would have two big release waves, one at the sort of like March time, one towards the sort of the autumn, and that's when you basically just get like a massive feature drop, like a loop drop.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and you maybe if you're lucky, you get some get some common drops, you get maybe an ultra-rare you know, emote or something like that.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, all these features sort of coming out kind of at once.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the logic has always been that um, yeah, this is how large organizations want to be able to plan.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want necessarily to be things to be going in kind of constantly.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: So therefore, okay, I as an organization can go, okay, I'm going to switch it on, and now I get these new features at a pace that kind of suits me.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So that's been working pretty well um for a number of different years, but it's I don't know about you, but it's felt like in the past one to two years that the whole concept has been kind of made redundant in a way.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it at least was a bit softened because when when I think back, good old days, little Sebastian was still going to the office every day.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: It was pre-corona times, and like we were sitting literally in a larger conference room of like three people and watching the release wave updates, which is those like internal preview by Microsoft, was so with super high NDA, and we were just like sitting watching Derek ordering pizza on company's credit card and watching Microsoft to present us what is coming in in two weeks in a preview.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then we had like two weeks to prepare for that, and then we had like I think three or four weeks of preview, and then it was rolling out.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: There was no chance in between that there is like a random feature lighting up on a Tuesday afternoon in your power platform admin center, or um just shipping to uh Kopalystudio.preview.microsoft URL.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was mainly at this time, it everything was on premise.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: So you had your service packs, you had your release wives, and you you may have a preview which you were lucky enough to get access for when you had good contacts at Microsoft, then it was like under super high MDA, and then you were exploring that together and you were figuring out what happens there, and this this is definitely gone now, the last months already.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: The situation that we have seen preview features just rolling out, um yeah, and just releasing have been there going into public preview being released without every or being not released, release wave, yeah, exactly.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy, or being not released, so also like there are features which are in public preview for like since forever, and but on the other hand side, with the release waves, at least you had something to plan to to figure out okay, this is the investment, this is the idea for the next six months because this was always the commitment, like the six months the next six months we concentrate on this is the story, and now because we're moving to like um one always on roadmap, blah blah blah like just for explanation, dynamics 365, power platform, microsoft 65, copilot, and copilot's uh studio all come together to a AI ed work roadmap.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Everything is just in there, and by everything I mean everything.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: So um, you may you have your filters so you can filter down on business central or on project operations.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but when this will land on this roadmap, this is totally up to the product group, and this is there's only just the rule that it needs to be like three days before it it hits the um the environments that it needs to be there.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we will see how good this will be maintained, but I'm a bit scared that this will take away the consistency.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: So working on something on the long term or achieving long-term goals and just like pushing out new features everyone was screaming for, and then next week they the audience wants something else, so we are switching investments to that, switching investments to this, so it's a back and forth of like half-ass baked features.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think that the difficult thing maybe to uh defend or maybe rationalize you know the change that's happening is that you know it's impossible to be planning in six months' cadences anymore because the the the the pace of the technical development, particularly on AI, we're talking about every week or two weeks that's something new.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, how can you commit yourself for that longer period to do something when the technology is basically forcing you to kind of right go back to the start type thing?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, absolutely.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I do get those, and I I understand that it's very tough to um plan that long, but give them like give the people an idea what you're working on, and especially for larger customers, I could really see that this is something where they would struggle with because they need they don't make decisions within like 30 days, they make decisions within a half a year.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: They they still roll on on the big decisions for a longer time.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I think for me, I think it's kind of just Microsoft accepting the kind of the reality behind it.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's at a stage now where most or where I don't think most organizations are going to push back anymore that this has happened because it you know we've been in it, we've been in kind of a flux state for the past year, two years where you know the concept of the release wave.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: hasn't really been applicable.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Things are going out all the time.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: People are kind of used to all of this sort of stuff.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, why um keep ready to the concept?
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: What is also quite interesting is that, you know, and this aligns, I think, with some of the re-orgs that were done um, I think last year or earlier this year, um, this is all now under the M365 kind of banner and things like that.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: And as well as some of the uh if you look at some of the terminology changes when they're talking about things like um preview environments, they're now using very kind of Windows-like language like um release um candidate or I forget the exact word, but I'll sort of put it into the show notes uh for the episode.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it we're seeing that everything converge into this new what's it called, Microsoft Business something.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: What's what Charles the Mana heads up now?
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: What's it called?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: We will I think we put those into the show notes because I don't remember the exact saying because I think it's something with co-pilot in its name.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, co-pilot business solutions or businesses.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or AI business solutions.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_02: I think AI business solutions is like the whole term, and then they're within that there's another subsection, but we will put this into show notes just to be completely transparent.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, with all the renames, we also at some point does not do not keep up, but yeah, it basically key is that um everything is now like one roadmap and everything still ships like in your 30 days cadence.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: So from that perspective, sorry, how you handled it last year.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: If you maybe new to this whole ecosystem, then you're gonna release waves.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: What are these old guys talking about?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, you're right.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is maybe something where I'm very nostalgic about, but still, I want to have some secure security on planning because everything moves that fast.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I need to have one stable stream in my life, so but apparently this is not the Microsoft Dynamics platform.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is maybe something else I need to search now for.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: I will keep you pace on this.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I need to find my stability somewhere elsewhere because apparently it's it's not Microsoft.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: So Microsoft hops on the train, moves fast, and and hypes that everyone um is following apart.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, this is like the one thing I definitely want to bring in.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: The second thing um I think we we talked a lot uh last week and and this week about is uh something they call macro regions.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you may want to elaborate on this?
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: R say to me A D R and ADRs, which are advanced uh how is it called again?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: Advanced let us uh data residency, something data residency was yeah, advanced data residency, I think.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's the word, right?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: So first of all, ADRs, advanced data residency.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um basically is the commitment that your data stays within the region you are it it's supposed to be.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: So it's basically something you would say, yeah, this should be somewhat granted, but there is a caveat of that because we now have or we will see very soon uh macro regions.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: So Joseph, what the hell is a macro region and what are regions in general in the power platform?
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: So regions like EMIA, North America, APAC, macro regions are kind of then the collections within that.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the basically this all boils down to the fact that I think that they are they they they need to be able to ensure they've got capacity for all these different workloads they're running, particularly AI and all this sort of stuff.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: So the so being able to um being in a situation where they where they're having to always serve, let's say, everything from um from CRM4, Netherlands or Ireland data centers isn't going to be practical anymore.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: So we've now got this content of the macro regions where within the regions you can then sort of say, okay, right, I want uh for for EMIA, for example, I've got a macro region for the uh uh European economic area, so all the EU countries plus Norway and Switzerland.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: You've got Europe, which includes all of that, plus the UK, you know, given the whole we'll get into the into the politics of all that sort of stuff.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then as well, you also have like uh I think one for the uh for the Arab regions as well and um in um Middle East and things like that.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it's basically all about just making sure that okay, um you the platform is able to leverage everything that's in that kind of macro region.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the but the key thing is that ultimately the data will remain within from a European Union sample within within the European Union sort of data boundary.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: But where it gets spicy, and we'll link to a very great great video from uh uh our our good friend uh Thomas Hanzer here, which goes into all of this, is that okay, what if um I am working with a government organization that's got very strict requirements regarding uh where the data's been stored?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: What if I'm in a situation because not all of the different dynamics, for example, dynamics 265 platform features are available in every single data center sort of region?
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh customer insights is an example there.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think Projects it's it's uh in the past it was some, I think in APAC it wasn't always available.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, how do you kind of reconcile against that as well?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: So in terms of being able to ensure that yeah, data remains where I want it and that ultimately I get all of the features that I need and require as part of this.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing today is you can go and test this.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: If your environment has been enabled for this, um when you go and create an environment in PPAC, what will happen is that you'll see a drop-down there for macro region instead of the digital uh um um location.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Select that, the environment will get created.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then in the testing that we were doing last week on this, it basically always seems to create it using the um the URL TRM number because all the data first dynamic environments have you know TRM4, TRM11.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it always created it in TRM17, which is Switzerland.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: Whether or not it actually is in Switzerland or if it's just been bouncing around is obviously not too sure about, but it just seems to always create it with this what used to be the Switzerland URL, basically.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, so so what changes basically for when you're creating a new environment?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, so far you could just pick up directly the more or less not only the region but also the country where you want to deploy something.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: So there was like one option for North America, there was an option still for whole Europe, which is CRM 4 basically, so the old Hymir region.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you could as well like go down into like Germany region, Norway region, and I think those both have some similarities because not all features are in in each of the region.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_02: I I just learned that for example Norway has no there is no Copol Studio there, for example.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: So if you based on like what you what you want to achieve in that environment, so so what is the purpose of this environment?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um this now changed macro region um setup is potentially limiting that um or enabling that by not by wish, but like by randomness.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: So what is changing is instead of like changing your the region itself, uh like this very detailed region, um, you're choosing from six different macro regions.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: So there's North America, there is the Americas, which I really like as a name.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_02: So the Americas, which is United States, Canada, and Brazil, while North America is United States and Canada.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: So you do have a chance to get free Brazil if you choose the Americas.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um if you don't want to go for Brazil as a data center, you go with North America, and then there are two options for um the EU.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's one um which you already mentioned, including the UK, and one um excluding the UK because of EU reasons.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_02: So European Union and European Free Trade Association, EFTAR.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is one region that's uh region number three, and region number four is including the UK.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then there is uh two more for the uh which includes basically Europe, UK, and the Middle East, and as well Africa, and then there is a 6.4 Asia and Pacific, so the Apex region, and then within that, as you mentioned, our test was like it was like 99%, was just like Switzerland um as a as a region.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it will be just hosted somewhere within these regions, and I think Switzerland is quite interesting from a use case perspective, because if you look at Switzerland, Switzerland is not part of the EU.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to go into deep into this, but Switzerland is not is not falling under the EU data law and the GDPR, which we have right now, for example, in Germany.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: But it has a federal act on data protection, which is closely aligned with the European Commission, and it's more like so they are recognizing Switzerland as adequate.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is basically on their website as adequate, yes.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, that's like that that's like the whole thing, but I don't know if this is like proven enough or if this is like enough for from a lawyer perspective.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: Microsoft guarantees that your data resides within the EU and the F the members and and all of that, so and the EU data boundaries are um fulfilled, but we don't have like 100% proof.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I would not put my uh hand into the fire here.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: But there is there is a way.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: There is a way to do that.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: There is a way of this, there is a way, and this goes back to ADR and then data residency.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that is now basically if your tenant, I believe there's some prerequisites around your tenant needs to be kind of enabled or configured for it, and you always need to have one of the different um because it's kind of an M365 concept that they've kind of backported into it.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you need to have like business premium or e3 or stuff like that.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: But basically you can then purchase a subscue underneath that uh advanced data residency, and this will then always ensure that, for example, your if I've understood it correctly, that your data will remain, for example, in the UK or in um, you know, in France or in Germany, wherever it is.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, you have to pay now to get that, those cast iron guarantees, whereas before it was kind of a bit of a bit of a kind of a I guess premium feature, should we say?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: So you know you need to pay the RDR uh ADR license fee, which I think it it's it's not a it's not too much, but again, like having like additional uh license costs for something that was like just included before.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it's like when I got my Disney Plus subscription, you know, when it first came out, it was like 20 20 pounds for the year, and then year two, and then okay, now it's£50 for the year.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, it's now it's£100 for the year, but it's fine.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're adding we're adding more TV shows, we've added all the back catalogue of you know iCali episodes onto there, we've added you know some really great content that it's really interesting for you on there.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, we're just gonna just we're just gonna keep raising the prices.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, it's it feels like that, and and yeah, you and you kind of you need to be like an expert into this whole situation to really like figure out everything.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, but with the ADR licenses, you can buy, I think like it's a few euros per user per month, so it's like I think you you you have looked for the priceless, but um it's it's not too much, but still it's another license you need to pay for.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you do have the commitment that, for example, then your data residency for Copilot is in Germany or is in the UK or is in Norway, depending on which region you are.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: If you say, yep, okay, um, everything Europe is fine, and if Switzerland is fine as well, then you don't have additional license to buy.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we should we should be able to trust our fellow Europeans.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's not like it's not like the Swiss have ever done anything that's you know um dirty or deceitful or anything in recent memory.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sure we can trust them.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think they're okay.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah they are adequate, right?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: They're adequate, yes.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Perfectly adequate Swiss.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: What's also adequate is this episode of the unresolved dependencies, which are now coming to an end.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I think um we are good for this week.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: So I we have covered a lot, I think, um, during this uh half an hour.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um if you're around in Budapest episode, maybe we can maybe do another recording for the next episode, maybe.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was thinking about that, but when I was like, uh, let's see.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: There is there, there is there is potentially a better better uh opportunities to do something else.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you wanted to go for dinner, but okay, we can do a podcast every so who who cares about dinner?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we will keep you posted on that.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, if you're at the shift and enter even a summit in Budapest or um anywhere else, uh Nordic Summit, Hellish Summit, you are right.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, everything else, very serious.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um come get come get closer to us, come come speak to us.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: We will have very happy to meet you.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um sounds like we have like a billion followers or something, but um we're getting there.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so we we are also we are both in the power platform community conference, right?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: We need maybe to try to get at least some stickers till then.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll have to.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Till then.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: So this is this is your homework now.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're already start staying somewhere in the Netherlands on vacation and multitasking with your agents.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_02: But till then, yeah, till then, I wish you all the best.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we are here till we resolve the swingy here.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Every second Monday, new episode of Unresolved Fantasies.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for listening.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Take care.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: See you soon.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: Ciao.