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- 0:04Don Armstrong: Um why don't you just go ahead and do it?
- 0:07Don Armstrong: Yeah, I'll just go ahead and do it.
- 0:08Don Armstrong: Thank you.
- 0:08Jeff Dziekan: All right.
- 0:08Jeff Dziekan: Well, uh engines on this list were chosen because of ongoing recalls, owner complaints, class action lawsuits, and government investigations over the past 12 months.
- 0:17Jeff Dziekan: To narrow it down, these specific choices, uh, popular vehicles from major brands have been subject to large ongoing recalls over the last year.
- 0:26Jeff Dziekan: So very, very current.
- 0:27Jeff Dziekan: First one on the list is a Honda.
- 0:29Jeff Dziekan: Uh it's a 1.5 turbo.
- 0:31Jeff Dziekan: Honda generally enjoys a strong reputation for reliability, but there's some Hondas their engine buyers, uh their engine of the engines and the buyers might want to steer clear of.
- 0:41Jeff Dziekan: Uh one of these engines is the 1.5 liter turbo.
- 0:44Jeff Dziekan: It's a four-cylinder engine.
- 0:46Jeff Dziekan: Uh and it's been around for a while and now powers some of Honda's best-selling models, including this uh Civic Accord, the CRV.
- 0:53Jeff Dziekan: Unfortunately, the engine's issues have also been known for a while, namely oil dilution and head gasket failures.
- 0:59Jeff Dziekan: A blown head gasket is not cheap for a quick repair, while Honda hasn't issued the factory recall for these problems.
- 1:05Jeff Dziekan: Ongoing 1.5 liter turbo issues have continued to plague the company, including class action lawsuits.
- 1:13Jeff Dziekan: The next one on the books is a Nissan.
- 1:15Jeff Dziekan: It's a 1.5-liter uh turbo.
- 1:17Jeff Dziekan: It's a VC turbo.
- 1:19Jeff Dziekan: Things overall have not been great for Nissan recently, as the Japanese automakers worked to dig its way out of financial turmoil and the at the corporate level.
- 1:28Jeff Dziekan: The company's innovative yet often troublesome variable compression engines have been a major culprit behind recalls and owner complaints.
- 1:37Jeff Dziekan: The 2026 Nissan 1.5 is a three-cylinder turbo VC motor, has proven especially problematic, with the company recalling over 600,000 rogue SUVs for potentially catastrophic engine problems.
- 1:50Jeff Dziekan: If uh fortunate uh the fortunate sums affected by the engine will only need a throttle body replacement, so it's either one or the other.
- 1:57Jeff Dziekan: Very, very difficult to do.
- 2:00Jeff Dziekan: Here's one that we all know.
- 2:01Jeff Dziekan: It's a General Motor 6.2 liter V8.
- 2:04Jeff Dziekan: Turns out through the simpler, naturally aspirated American V8 is not without its own problems.
- 2:10Jeff Dziekan: Specifically, we're talking about problems with the GM 6.2, which powers popular models like the best-selling Chevroy Silverado, GMC Sierra pickups, as well as the Chevy Tahoe, GMC UConn, and the Cadillac Escalade.
- 2:25Jeff Dziekan: Uh well, the SUV's problem in the game Cadillac as well.
- 2:29Jeff Dziekan: Problems caused by defective internal components on the 6.2 has thus far led to recall over 700,000 trucks and issues, not to mention ongoing class action.
- 2:38Jeff Dziekan: Well, there's a theme there with class action.
- 2:41Jeff Dziekan: Uh, GM says a possible solution is to change the recommended oil viscosity.
- 2:45Jeff Dziekan: Well, let's just start there.
- 2:47Jeff Dziekan: Blame it on the oil.
- 2:48Jeff Dziekan: Yeah, however, questions remain about the effectiveness, and it hasn't really provided the L87 owners with any real peace of mind.
- 2:56Jeff Dziekan: And then we got one that we all know and love.
- 2:58Jeff Dziekan: It's been around forever, the Jeep two-liter turbo hybrid.
- 3:02Jeff Dziekan: This is an X4XE, is what they call it.
- 3:05Jeff Dziekan: Oh, four by E.
- 3:06Jeff Dziekan: Yeah, four by E.
- 3:07Jeff Dziekan: Uh, now the fastest things can change in the auto industry back in 2021.
- 3:10Jeff Dziekan: The new Jeep Wrangler and the Grand Cherokee 4XE models, which use a two-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine combined with a plug-in hybrid electric power, were portrayed were portrayed as the future of the Jeep brand, and the 4XE powertrain has also been plagued by mechanical and electrical issues.
- 3:28Jeff Dziekan: Surely haven't seen help in this case for sticking around, uh, among other things.
- 3:32Jeff Dziekan: The 4XE had already been recalled for potentially battery fired issues, and then there was some uh another recall for possible casting sand uh left inside of the 4XE's two-liter turbo, which over 100,000 vehicles were recalled because of that.
- 3:48Jeff Dziekan: If the sand is inside the engine, it could lead not just to total engine failure, but also to a fire risk.
- 3:54Jeff Dziekan: And lastly, on the hit parade is a Toyota, who would have thunk it?
- 3:57Jeff Dziekan: 3.4 liter twin turbo V6, traditionally one of the uh one bought new Toyota pickup, a reputation for reliability in the big selling components.
- 4:06Jeff Dziekan: The 3.4 liter twin turbo v6 engine powers Toyota Tundra pickups, Sequoia uh SUVs, and has suffered significant problems since the debut in 2022.
- 4:17Jeff Dziekan: And they continue to put a dent in Toyota's generally excellent reputation.
- 4:21Jeff Dziekan: As the 2026 ongoing uh catastrophes of the engine, it's an engine-bearing problems have been promoted.
- 4:28Jeff Dziekan: Uh Toyota's recalled over 250,000 trucks, and there's probably no remedy in sight for the near future, but uh they're still not completely immune from the that's their V8.
- 4:39Jeff Dziekan: Yep, yep, yep.
- 4:40Don Armstrong: Gee whiz.
- 4:41Jeff Dziekan: That's it.
- 4:41Don Armstrong: Wait a minute, that's the same.
- 4:43Don Armstrong: Well, basically the same engine that they race in NASCAR.
- 4:46Jeff Dziekan: Um well, yeah, the the 3.4.
- 4:49Jeff Dziekan: No, I think it's bigger than that.
- 4:50Jeff Dziekan: Is it twin?
- 4:51Jeff Dziekan: I don't know.
- 4:52Jeff Dziekan: They might.
- 4:53Jeff Dziekan: I don't know.
- 4:53Jeff Dziekan: I'll have to look into that.
- 4:54Jeff Dziekan: But yeah, but the 3.4, that's the V6.
- 4:57Don Armstrong: 3.4, yeah, V6.
- 4:58Don Armstrong: Oh, that's why I said V8.
- 5:00Don Armstrong: You said V okay.
- 5:01Don Armstrong: V6.
- 5:02Don Armstrong: Never mind.
- 5:03Jeff Dziekan: All right.
- 5:03Jeff Dziekan: There we go.
- 5:04Don Armstrong: Okay, we got that.
- 5:05Don Armstrong: Yeah, we got it.
- 5:06Don Armstrong: All right, very good.
- 5:07SPEAKER_01: All right.
- 5:13SPEAKER_01: Very good.
- 5:14Don Armstrong: All right.
- 5:14Don Armstrong: Uh, time now for um our water parks driving destinations, Mr.
- 5:19Don Armstrong: Mars.
- 5:20Mike Marrs: Yeah, we went looking for something for the 4th of July for the family, thought about water parks.
- 5:25Mike Marrs: It's hot here.
- 5:26Mike Marrs: And of course, you think about Schlitterbaum we mentioned earlier, or even Typhoon, Texas, up in uh Katy.
- 5:32Mike Marrs: Really large, a lot of people go there, big, large corporate parks.
- 5:36Mike Marrs: However, there's a few others around, like Hurricane Harbor Splashtown.
- 5:40Mike Marrs: Now, this is the old splash town.
- 5:42Mike Marrs: It is the oldest major water park in the Houston area.
- 5:45Mike Marrs: Uh, it's it's known for the variety of the slides, like the multi-lane racing slide.
- 5:51Mike Marrs: It's got a giant funnel ride, and there's a lot of wave pools on it, and it's very easy to get to.
- 5:56Mike Marrs: It's in the spring up off 45, so it's very popular with families.
- 6:01Mike Marrs: The second one that we wanted to look at was Big Rivers Water Park and Adventures.
- 6:06Mike Marrs: Now, this is up in New Caney, a little bit further up, but it's more than a water park.
- 6:11Mike Marrs: You can do zip lines, you got aerial adventure courses, you got climbing attractions, there's some animal.
- 6:17Mike Marrs: They even got some amusement park rides along with the regular traditional water slides and the pools.
- 6:23Mike Marrs: It's kind of a hybrid water park and adventure park.
- 6:26Mike Marrs: It's a great place to take the family, and you can do a little bit of everything at this one location.
- 6:30Mike Marrs: The third one we want to look at is Splashway Water Park.
- 6:34Mike Marrs: Now, it's one of the got a reputation as being one of the cleanest and most family-friendly water parks in Texas.
- 6:41Mike Marrs: It's located southwest of Houston, and it's kind of a relaxed atmosphere, and it makes it more appealing for the family because it's a little more family comfortable as far as the other.
- 6:50Don Armstrong: What you're trying to say, it's a little bit more laid back for old people.
- 6:55Don Armstrong: Yeah.
- 6:55Don Armstrong: Well, or if you've got young children, it's well that's why I say grandpa, grandma and grandpa could take the young kids there.
- 7:02Mike Marrs: There you go.
- 7:02Mike Marrs: There you go.
- 7:03Mike Marrs: That'll do it.
- 7:04Mike Marrs: The uh the fourth one we want to talk about is, and I've never heard of it, Nestler Park Family Aquatic Center.
- 7:11Mike Marrs: Now, this is down in Texas City, and it's actually part of the Texas City Parking uh Parks Department.
- 7:17Mike Marrs: And uh it's very community-centered atmosphere because it is part of the city parks department.
- 7:22Mike Marrs: It's great for parents looking for a day to get out on the water without a lot of expanse and a lot of crowds that you're gonna find at the bigger commercial attractions.
- 7:31Mike Marrs: The fifth one, and I like the name of it, and and I've seen signs for it, but it's the Pirates Bay Water Park down in Baytown.
- 7:39Mike Marrs: Now it's obviously got a nautical theme, and it's got a lot of uh different things from a water park, including uh a large lazy river.
- 7:48Mike Marrs: It's got a wave pool, you've got lots of things you can climb on if you're a climber, and uh water slides of different sizes, and it's all part of a pirate-inspired design to give it a very different uh atmosphere, and it is another city-owned uh park, so it kind of gives it a different atmosphere.
- 8:06Mike Marrs: It's not quite so corporate level because it is the city park and it's for many of the Houston families that are close around.
- 8:13Mike Marrs: The other one I found interesting was the Strawberry Water Park.
- 8:17Mike Marrs: Now, this is in Pasadena.
- 8:20Mike Marrs: Uh it's smaller and it's much more of a neighborhood feel, so families can see the children.
- 8:25Mike Marrs: It's not really so big.
- 8:26Mike Marrs: They can get lost uh, you know, 100 yards away in some river that's going someplace.
- 8:31Mike Marrs: And so for a lot of the Southeast Houston residents, it's a quick, easy way to get to a water park without going all the way across town.
- 8:38Mike Marrs: The last one I found was Noah's Ark Park down in it's in Houston on West Center Drive.
- 8:46Mike Marrs: Now it's kind of it's really unique because it combines a neighborhood water park atmosphere with a biblical arc theme.
- 8:53Mike Marrs: So instead of being focused on extreme thrills, it's really emphasizes family fun with the swimming and lazy rivers, that kind of thing.
- 9:01Mike Marrs: And and it's not every water attraction needs to have all the big towers.
- 9:06Mike Marrs: There's plenty of those.
- 9:07Don Armstrong: Will you be able to walk on water when you get done there?
- 9:10Mike Marrs: Sorry?
- 9:11Mike Marrs: Will you be able to walk on water when you get done there?
- 9:13Mike Marrs: Well, I'm not sure, but it might be part of one of the attractions they might want to add.
- 9:18Mike Marrs: Sorry, I just had to go there.
- 9:20Mike Marrs: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 9:21Mike Marrs: No, it's that's uh, but that's some of the things you could do if you don't want to go to a water park that's got all the big uh commercial corporate water parks.
- 9:30Mike Marrs: It's got massive crowds to them.
- 9:31Mike Marrs: These will get you into a little bit different atmosphere.
- 9:34Don Armstrong: All right, time now for time now for this hour's car review.
- 9:43Don Armstrong: I had the opportunity to drive the all-new 2026 Subaru Trail Seeker.
- 9:49Don Armstrong: You're going, what?
- 9:51Don Armstrong: It's all brand new.
- 9:53Don Armstrong: It's built in Japan, and it comes in these three trim levels premium, limited, and touring.
- 10:02Don Armstrong: I had the premium entry level, all-wheel drive.
- 10:06Don Armstrong: This is a mid-size electric vehicle.
- 10:11Don Armstrong: Two rows of seating for five passengers, including the driver.
- 10:14Don Armstrong: Exterior changes, obviously, it's all new for 2026.
- 10:18Don Armstrong: Body shape is great.
- 10:20Don Armstrong: Bulging fenders give it an off-road look.
- 10:23Don Armstrong: Black plastic wheel openings edge into the add to the boldness, but they also edge into the front bumper.
- 10:33Don Armstrong: I'm not really too keen on that, but it's one of those things that some people just, oh, that makes no difference to me.
- 10:40Don Armstrong: Or other people will say, oh, it's not too bad.
- 10:43Don Armstrong: It doesn't appeal to me, but whatever.
- 10:46Don Armstrong: Uh, rear lighting runs across the complete hatch into the rear fenders, which is kind of cool.
- 10:52Don Armstrong: Uh, it does have a taller stance than a regular Subaru, and it is noticeable.
- 10:56Don Armstrong: What I liked about it, the overall design is spot on.
- 11:00Don Armstrong: Again, what could use improvement?
- 11:02Don Armstrong: Front wheel opening, black plastic incorporated now into part of the front fascia.
- 11:08Don Armstrong: It to me overwhelms the side view of it, if I'm going to be picky.
- 11:13Don Armstrong: And I am.
- 11:15Don Armstrong: Interior highlights, two screens.
- 11:18Don Armstrong: One for instruments is too far from the driver, in my opinion, and too small.
- 11:23Don Armstrong: Needs to be bigger.
- 11:24Don Armstrong: Infotainment screen is big and um it works well with the tech borrowed from Toyota, of all things.
- 11:33Don Armstrong: Uh, dual phone chargers next to each other, up underneath the dash in the center console.
- 11:39Don Armstrong: Now, let me just say this about that.
- 11:41Don Armstrong: If you have to have two of them charging at the same time, couldn't you put one on a plug and save the space for something else?
- 11:50Don Armstrong: One lay down phone charger is one, whatever the case may be.
- 11:56Don Armstrong: Seating is comfortable.
- 11:58Don Armstrong: Uh, the second row leg room can be a little tight, but it's not that big of a deal because what it does, it leads to a huge cargo area, up to 74 cubic feet back there when you put the second seat down.
- 12:11Don Armstrong: What I liked about it, it has Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
- 12:15Don Armstrong: It is integrated into the system, unlike some other car makers that said, nah, we're not going to put that in there anymore.
- 12:22Don Armstrong: Or another car maker that says, who needs AM radio?
- 12:26Don Armstrong: Uh-oh.
- 12:27Don Armstrong: Boo.
- 12:28Don Armstrong: What could use improvement?
- 12:30Don Armstrong: Few knobs and or switches instead of screen controls would be nice for the master, the major components in it.
- 12:39Don Armstrong: HBAC, radio, those sorts of things.
- 12:43Don Armstrong: Now, this is a two-motor, 375 horsepower, all electric, with a range of 281 miles.
- 12:52Don Armstrong: That doesn't seem like a lot, and it really isn't in comparison to some of the other vehicles out there.
- 12:58Don Armstrong: But, you know, when you buy one of these, you're going to buy it for its purpose.
- 13:03Don Armstrong: You like the way it looks, you like the all-wheel drive, you like the electric part of it, and you'll deal with the 281 miles of range that it gives you.
- 13:13Don Armstrong: Toes up to 3,500 pounds.
- 13:16Don Armstrong: Uh miles per gallon.
- 13:18Don Armstrong: Well, there's none of that, but my 40-mile commute to work used 12% of its full charge, if that gives you an idea.
- 13:26Jeff Dziekan: I mean, is that good?
- 13:27Don Armstrong: Um average?
- 13:29Don Armstrong: 12%.
- 13:29Don Armstrong: Well, the batteries aren't that big.
- 13:31Don Armstrong: So um it is what it is.
- 13:33Don Armstrong: But I think your purpose-driven is good too.
- 13:36Don Armstrong: Yeah.
- 13:36Don Armstrong: And the fact that, you know, if you do it the right way, you get to work, you plug it in, it's full at the end of the day when you're ready to come home.
- 13:44Don Armstrong: Same thing when you get home, you plug it in.
- 13:46Don Armstrong: There's a lot of plugging.
- 13:48Don Armstrong: And um, if you're into that sort of thing and it doesn't bother you, good for you.
- 13:52Don Armstrong: What I liked about it, the power, plenty of it.
- 13:55Don Armstrong: Um, what could use improvement?
- 13:57Don Armstrong: How about a hybrid option?
- 14:00Don Armstrong: Yeah, just a plug in, yeah.
- 14:02Don Armstrong: Is there such a thing?
- 14:03Don Armstrong: I don't know.
- 14:03Don Armstrong: Can you take an all-electric vehicle and make it a gasoline hybrid?
- 14:08Don Armstrong: I don't know.
- 14:10Don Armstrong: But I like the body style, I like the way it looks, I like it overall.
- 14:13Don Armstrong: Riding handling, ride is excellent.
- 14:15Don Armstrong: What could use improvement?
- 14:17Don Armstrong: Uh, didn't take it off-road, but expect uh there are some limitations to it, but who's to say?
- 14:24Don Armstrong: I mean, I'm not an off-road expert, so don't ask me.
- 14:27unknown: Okay.
- 14:28Don Armstrong: Uh, base trim price on this,$41,445.
- 14:31Don Armstrong: Price is tested$41,840.
- 14:33Don Armstrong: Base model price,$39,995.
- 14:36Don Armstrong: Competitors, the Hyundai Ionic 5 um is$35,000.
- 14:42unknown: Okay.
- 14:42Don Armstrong: Tesla Model Y,$39,900.
- 14:46Don Armstrong: And Mustang Mach E.
- 14:48Don Armstrong: I was kind of surprised at this.
- 14:50Don Armstrong: $37,795 is the entry level.
- 14:52Jeff Dziekan: It's right in the middle there.
- 14:53Don Armstrong: Yeah.
- 14:53Jeff Dziekan: But you know what you get with the Tesla.
- 14:55Jeff Dziekan: You don't really know you know future with this one.
- 14:57Don Armstrong: You know, I don't know anybody that owns a Mustang Mach-E.
- 15:00Jeff Dziekan: I think that they had these.
- 15:02Jeff Dziekan: Do you?
- 15:02Jeff Dziekan: Yeah.
- 15:02Jeff Dziekan: Buddy Todd Sheldon up in Colorado.
- 15:04Jeff Dziekan: He's at least got one.
- 15:05Jeff Dziekan: Does he like it?
- 15:05Jeff Dziekan: I believe so, sure.
- 15:07Jeff Dziekan: I'm sure he does.
- 15:08Jeff Dziekan: He's a Ford guy.
- 15:08Jeff Dziekan: Yeah, he has to.
- 15:10Jeff Dziekan: Well, he doesn't have to, but yeah, I know I hear what you're you know what I like about that car, that review in those pictures.
- 15:15Jeff Dziekan: I love that steering wheel.
- 15:17Jeff Dziekan: That steering wheel in a car is cool.
- 15:19Jeff Dziekan: That kind of squared off.
- 15:20Jeff Dziekan: Yeah, flat top, flat bottom.
- 15:22Jeff Dziekan: That seems to be the the trend these days.
- 15:24Jeff Dziekan: I was just thinking, what you're doing, how do I get one of those?
- 15:27Don Armstrong: Hey, we could retrofit it in your Bureck.
- 15:30Don Armstrong: I can do it.
- 15:30Don Armstrong: I know you can.
- 15:32Don Armstrong: I can do it.
- 15:32Don Armstrong: Let's see, a crowbar and a hammer.
- 15:34Don Armstrong: It's all we need.
- 15:35Jeff Dziekan: Yeah, you just need a couple of pipes and maybe a wrench, something like that.
- 15:38Don Armstrong: Uh coming up.
- 15:44Mike Marrs: All right.
- 15:44Don Armstrong: Uh time now for this week in auto history, Mr.
- 15:47Don Armstrong: Mars.
- 15:47Don Armstrong: Let her rip.
- 15:48Don Armstrong: Uh-oh.
- 15:49Don Armstrong: Yes, sir.
- 15:49Mike Marrs: We've got a few things that we're going to run through right quick here on uh related to this holiday week that's coming up.
- 15:56Mike Marrs: And on in 1894, inventor Elwood Haynes successfully tested his gasoline-powered vehicle up in Indiana.
- 16:04Don Armstrong: Elwood, part of the Blues brothers.
- 16:06Mike Marrs: Yeah.
- 16:07Mike Marrs: This is the problem.
- 16:08Mike Marrs: This is why he went to jail.
- 16:10Mike Marrs: So the uh Haynes Appleson, who was a guy that helped you with it, became one of the earliest successful American-built gasoline cars.
- 16:17Mike Marrs: In fact, because of history back the way records were kept back in the late 1800s, there's a lot of people think this may actually be the first uh true automobile in America.
- 16:29Mike Marrs: But there was a lot of them coming out, so they're still up to debate.
- 16:31Mike Marrs: But he was one of the earliest for sure.
- 16:33Jeff Dziekan: See, it's the earliest donk, that's for sure.
- 16:36Mike Marrs: Yes, it is.
- 16:38Mike Marrs: Then um in 1908, the great New York to Paris race.
- 16:42Mike Marrs: Now, I thought this was interesting because it literally goes from New York to Paris.
- 16:47Mike Marrs: I mean, you had to go across the country, you had to go across the oceans.
- 16:50Don Armstrong: There we go, walking on water again.
- 16:52Mike Marrs: Yeah, yeah.
- 16:53Mike Marrs: So it's 22,000 miles across three continents.
- 16:57Mike Marrs: Uh and this again was back in 1908.
- 16:59Mike Marrs: And the Thomas Flyer was declared the winner after uh going over some of the harshest roads uh imaginable.
- 17:06Mike Marrs: And of course, this was a worldwide got the worldwide attention from this because it did go halfway around the world.
- 17:11Don Armstrong: How did they ford the ocean?
- 17:14Mike Marrs: Put them on boats.
- 17:15Mike Marrs: Put them on ships.
- 17:16Mike Marrs: Literally.
- 17:17Mike Marrs: They had big balloon tires on them, and they kind of paddled paddle tires across there.
- 17:21Mike Marrs: But anyway, so also in 1914, Mercedes dominated the French Grand Prix.
- 17:28Mike Marrs: Now, it was a clean sweep by it because and they really wanted Mercedes went into it to show their advanced engineering, including four-wheel brakes, not just two wheels, but four-wheel brakes.
- 17:39Mike Marrs: Had some aerodynamic design that you can see in these pictures here, and uh their the reliability that they were building into it.
- 17:46Mike Marrs: So it demonstrated how racing could accelerate technology because a lot of other companies took the technology they found at this race and incorporated it into other uh aspects of their vehicles.
- 17:57Mike Marrs: Then in 1966, Irv Gordon purchased his legendary Volvo.
- 18:04Mike Marrs: Now, you may not know about old Irv, but he bought a brand new Volvo P1800 in 1966.
- 18:12Mike Marrs: Now, it was just a plane car, obviously, uh, but he put three million miles on that car, got a Guinness World Book of Record on it, and uh that's now in uh the museum, a Volvo Museum, and that is the vehicle with three million miles on it by one person driving one car.
- 18:34Mike Marrs: He got his use out of that one.
- 18:36Don Armstrong: I saw the story on that.
- 18:37Don Armstrong: That was good.
- 18:38Mike Marrs: Then in 1979, let's see if you know this one.
- 18:41Mike Marrs: The first Auto Shack store opened in Forest City, Arkansas.
- 18:46Mike Marrs: Very modest at the time, but that that was the beginning of auto zones.
- 18:50Mike Marrs: And I had no idea.
- 18:51Mike Marrs: I just thought auto zone was always auto zone.
- 18:53Mike Marrs: I did too.
- 18:54Mike Marrs: But uh it was truly an auto shack, I guess, comparable to uh Radio Shack or whatever it was at the time.
- 18:59Mike Marrs: Yeah, and of course it became a big national chain of vehicles.
- 19:03Mike Marrs: That was just a few of the things we found interesting in auto history this week.
- 19:08Don Armstrong: Perfect, very interesting.