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125: Hot Rod Vampire · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 8: To your stations.
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  Speaker 9: We have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 10: Strasse!
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  Speaker 2: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 11: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 12: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 6: And we are coming to you from the outskirts of
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  Speaker 6: the parking lot here at Beedersville Car and Bike Show
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  Speaker 6: for what has become an annual event, but I don't know, everybody's...
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  Speaker 6: We're trying to keep them on board here.
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  Speaker 2: Misty and Jay have wandered off. He's usually... involved.
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  Speaker 6: With his car group and this year he didn't have
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  Speaker 6: to do it so they're just vacationing.
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  Speaker 2: They're avoiding the whole situation so they don't have to
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  Speaker 2: deal with all the drama.
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  Speaker 6: Otherwise, I guess we can roll into this week's geek activities.
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  Speaker 6: Are you going to go into Friday night as part
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  Speaker 6: of yours?
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  Speaker 12: What happened Friday night?
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  Speaker 2: We went to see a band. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you had cheesy stories.
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  Speaker 13: Related to that.
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  Speaker 14: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 15: No.
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  Speaker 12: No stories.
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  Speaker 9: No stories.
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  Speaker 12: I think I've had my fill of rockabilly people, though.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is weird that it was sort of all
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  Speaker 6: crammed into this one weekend. On the musical, uh, High Am,
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  Speaker 6: we did go see Hillbilly Casino, which is kind of
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  Speaker 6: fun if you like that. They're, they're, they don't do
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  Speaker 6: anything out of the ordinary for a rockabilly band.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I appreciate a good pompadour. Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 12: No offense to Jay. Jay has a good pompadour.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he does.
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  Speaker 12: But I've had enough, like, hair grease for the weekend. Like,
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  Speaker 12: I've had enough hair grease to last me for, like,
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  Speaker 12: The next six months at least.
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  Speaker 6: Aside from that, trying to think of anything else I'd watch.
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  Speaker 6: Most of them were just in these last two days.
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  Speaker 6: Yesterday morning, this was a nice morning breakfast kind of
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  Speaker 6: ensemble here. I was watching Black Dynamite and eating waffles.
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  Speaker 2: I posted, I was like, man, if I just had
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  Speaker 2: some chicken to go with this, I'd be all set.
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  Speaker 12: It's very racist.
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  Speaker 2: It's in the movie. Oh, okay. I'm just quoting.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I was way more entertained because it goes back
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  Speaker 6: in time before Chicken and Waffles, and we see the
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  Speaker 6: guy who tapped into that, and he had a chili
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  Speaker 6: and donuts operation, which just wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Going over well. So, really, that was one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite parts. That and the line, donuts don't wear alligator shoes.
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  Speaker 12: That makes absolutely no sense.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to watch the movie. It is genius, I
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  Speaker 2: have to say.
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  Speaker 6: It's one of those, I mean, if you appreciate blaxploitation
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  Speaker 6: on any level, it's, yeah, it's amazingly well done.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hell of a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 6: Michael Jai White is awesome because he not only, like,
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  Speaker 6: can pull off the comedic end of it, which he does, like,
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  Speaker 6: super serious, but he also can do all the, like, fighting. Like,
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  Speaker 6: he really is, like, ridiculously ripped and knows all kinds
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  Speaker 6: of different, like, fighting stance and.
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  Speaker 2: All that type of thing. So it's amazing to watch
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  Speaker 2: on several.
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  Speaker 6: Levels, especially if you get the joke of it, which,
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  Speaker 6: you know, the director does, Scott Sanders, who I kind
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  Speaker 6: of want to see what else.
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  Speaker 2: He does, because he also gets... Alright.
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  Speaker 6: He also gets the sense of humor of what they're
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  Speaker 6: trying to do. I mean, it's not just... And that's
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  Speaker 6: the difference between something like this and.
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  Speaker 2: Like, your epic movie or, you know, your date movie.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of, like, those bullshit movies that.
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  Speaker 11: Like, don't even.
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  Speaker 6: get the joke of the genre that they're trying to
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  Speaker 6: make fun of they just do like specific rip-offs of
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  Speaker 6: specific scenes of specific movies and they do it uncreative
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  Speaker 6: and I mean that that is uh that's not what
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  Speaker 6: he does here he understands the genre he's like steeped
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  Speaker 6: in the genre and does a pretty good job as
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  Speaker 6: far as like just making fun of it but also
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  Speaker 6: there's like a very loving attitude that you know there's
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  Speaker 6: a lot of good things that were in those movies
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  Speaker 6: too as bad as some of the other stuff is
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  Speaker 6: so it's It's really entertaining if you like that kind
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  Speaker 6: of stuff. Other than that, last night I watched The
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  Speaker 6: Descent 2.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen that one?
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  Speaker 12: No, I haven't seen that one.
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  Speaker 6: There's only a handful of movies in the last 10
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  Speaker 6: years or so that I've actually liked and thought were
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  Speaker 6: kind of impressive. I love horror movies, but it's funny
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  Speaker 6: when I list off my favorite ones, it's stuff from 20, 30,
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  Speaker 6: 50 years ago. It's rare that I come into contact
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  Speaker 6: with ones now that I think are really impressive. And
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  Speaker 6: the first Descent was one of those. Like, I really
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  Speaker 6: think it tapped into the tension and builds it up as, like,
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  Speaker 6: a real story in the first half before you even
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  Speaker 6: get to the cheesy, you know.
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  Speaker 10: Horror element.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just a really well put together movie.
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  Speaker 6: It's well acted. It's really tense. And it's shot, really,
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  Speaker 6: it's Neil Marshall back, you know, early on. And he
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  Speaker 6: does a really good job shooting it. Whereas this one,
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  Speaker 6: it kind of loses all that. It's a new director.
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  Speaker 6: It's got John Harris, who's been an editor. He's a
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  Speaker 6: good editor. He does, like, tons of, like, super high-end
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  Speaker 6: a-list movies as far as editing but this was the
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  Speaker 6: only directing job he'd ever done and you can kind
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  Speaker 6: of tell it's it's definitely a step down in just
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  Speaker 6: overall it's like the the budget you can tell is
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  Speaker 6: kind of a step down the effects are definitely like
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  Speaker 6: it's noticeably different as far as like even makeup effects.
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  Speaker 2: Even practical makeup effects are like a step back so
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I was pretty disappointed.
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  Speaker 6: Even the acting didn't seem like it was quite as
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  Speaker 6: good as the first time out. So, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 6: a pretty big disappointment for me, but maybe just because I.
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  Speaker 2: Like The Descent so much. But that's most of what
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  Speaker 2: I've done this weekend. How about you, Marla?
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  Speaker 12: Last night I watched Big Trouble in Little China. I'd
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  Speaker 12: never seen it before.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 2: How did you make it this far? I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: It's like one of Jessica's favorite movies.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of Misty and Jay's favorite movies.
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  Speaker 10: And mine.
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  Speaker 12: It's a really good movie.
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  Speaker 10: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 12: I love Kurt Russell.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 12: And now my friend and I, we couldn't stop saying,
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  Speaker 12: use your muscle, Russell. So that's kind of like a thing.
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  Speaker 12: And then we were trying to think of other things
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  Speaker 12: that round with Russell. So he's like, you got to hustle, Russell.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I would be doing this. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you guys can do whatever you need to do.
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  Speaker 12: Well, that's what we do. That's how we do. And
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  Speaker 12: I finished watching all the episodes of this really awesome
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  Speaker 12: British TV show called Pulling. It's about three... I don't
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  Speaker 12: want to say skanky, but three single ladies that live
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  Speaker 12: in a house together. One of them is really skanky.
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  Speaker 12: But that's kind of her charm. She's a drunk skank. Slag,
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  Speaker 12: as they are known in England.
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  Speaker 6: Is this like an updated Absolutely Fabulous? Because that's kind
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  Speaker 6: of how that rolled. What little I remember of that,
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  Speaker 6: it was two instead of three.
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  Speaker 12: It's more like real. Like, Absolutely Fabulous is like.
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  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, not that this show's not over the top,
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  Speaker 12: but like, Absolutely Fabulous is like... just ridiculous this is
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  Speaker 12: more like this could happen yeah you know as over
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  Speaker 12: top over the top as these ladies are like i
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  Speaker 12: know these.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies i've hung out with these.
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  Speaker 12: Ladies these ladies are my close friends.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna name names yeah.
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  Speaker 12: But uh that's it i'm pretty much that's pretty.
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  Speaker 6: Much all i watched this week I still, though, to
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  Speaker 6: go back to our initial kickoff there, I think, if
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  Speaker 6: nothing else, we need to, like, get the camera out
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  Speaker 6: and start a YouTube channel of just you dancing.
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  Speaker 2: At these clubs.
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  Speaker 16: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because, you know, you and Jessica, when you get going,
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  Speaker 2: it's a special event.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think you really kind of have to see it
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  Speaker 2: to appreciate it.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, if no one else is going to dance,
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  Speaker 12: it's going to be us.
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  Speaker 6: But it's never done seriously, and that's my favorite part.
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  Speaker 6: It's like you're both being goofy, and you know it.
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  Speaker 6: Because people who take themselves really seriously when they dance,
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  Speaker 6: unless you're on stage and being paid for it, it's
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  Speaker 6: kind of ridiculous. So it's funny that you guys never
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  Speaker 6: fall into that. It's always goofy, and it's hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: That was half a lot.
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  Speaker 6: I was probably way more entertained with you two than
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  Speaker 6: watching the band.
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  Speaker 2: No offense to Hillbilly Casino, but it's always funny.
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  Speaker 12: We're pretty darn entertaining.
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  Speaker 6: So, yeah, if anybody else wants to, you know, start
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  Speaker 6: a petition to get a YouTube channel going for your
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  Speaker 6: dance moves.
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  Speaker 12: I don't get to watch myself dance. I don't know
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  Speaker 12: what I look like.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's why we need it even more.
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  Speaker 12: But, I mean, Jessica is a really good dancer. So,
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  Speaker 12: I think people are just like, hey, look, this girl
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  Speaker 12: is a really good dancer. What's she doing there? Oh,
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  Speaker 12: that's so funny. So, it's, like, very entertaining. We need
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  Speaker 12: to start our own circus troupe. We've been talking this
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  Speaker 12: for years.
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  Speaker 2: You need to get on that show.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, we were also talking today about how we start
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  Speaker 12: things and then we never actually do them. Like, hey,
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  Speaker 12: remember craft night? Remember that time that we were going
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  Speaker 12: to do that? Remember those eight bands that we formed
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  Speaker 12: over the years?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I have those, but usually I have no intention.
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  Speaker 6: I just want to claim a name and then sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: I make flyers and t-shirts when I get really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: out of control.
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  Speaker 12: Like, remember that blog I started?
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  Speaker 2: That's why I don't start all those. Remember that.
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  Speaker 12: thing I did.
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  Speaker 18: I'm awful at stuff.
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  Speaker 6: That's why I just focused on the show. That's why
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  Speaker 6: the only thing I ever get done is show related.
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  Speaker 6: Because I know if I start anything else, it'll just, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it'll never happen.
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  Speaker 9: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I focus.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I can do.
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  Speaker 12: I just need to do something. Because I was like,
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  Speaker 12: you know how some people, it's like, oh, there's John.
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  Speaker 12: He's in that band. Or like, oh, there's Steve. He
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  Speaker 12: owns that place.
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  Speaker 2: Or, you know, there's.
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  Speaker 12: Doofus the artist or I don't know people are known
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  Speaker 12: for stuff it's just like there's that girl she's here
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  Speaker 12: all the time You know? I don't want to be
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  Speaker 12: that girl.
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  Speaker 2: There's that girl. She never finishes a damn thing.
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  Speaker 19: I know.
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  Speaker 12: I don't want to be that girl. I want to
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  Speaker 12: be like, hey, there's that girl. She did that one
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  Speaker 12: really cool thing that one time. Remember?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She's awesome because fill in blanks. You just need to
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  Speaker 2: come up with the fill in blank area.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. I think you're kind of on to it. Everybody
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  Speaker 6: seems to like your crazy storytelling.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's that girl.
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  Speaker 6: She tells really awesome and sometimes horribly disgusting stories.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I don't have a disgusting story this week.
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  Speaker 11: Thank God.
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  Speaker 12: But I did just learn something about myself. As soon
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  Speaker 12: as this is over, I'm running to my car because
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  Speaker 12: I'm about to have a panic attack because I'm not
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  Speaker 12: wearing a sweater.
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  Speaker 2: She's not joking.
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  Speaker 12: It's like 95 degrees. That doesn't really matter to me.
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  Speaker 12: But I didn't realize until like 10 minutes ago that
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  Speaker 12: I always have to wear a sweater. I mean, I
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  Speaker 12: dress myself every day, but it never occurred to me
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  Speaker 12: that I constantly have a sweater on. And I was
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  Speaker 12: thinking about it. In high school and middle school, I
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  Speaker 12: constantly had to have a hoodie. Like, I have to
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  Speaker 12: have it. I'm like Linus from Charlie Brown. Like, I
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  Speaker 12: have to have it. I'm having a panic attack. It's
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  Speaker 12: not a specific sweater. It's just a sweater. Like, it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 12: It's absolutely preposterous to be wearing a sweater right now.
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  Speaker 12: But if I had my way, I would be having
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  Speaker 12: a fucking sweater on because I need to wear a
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  Speaker 12: sweater always. I didn't realize how completely insane I am.
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  Speaker 2: You kind of are. And what's sad is I knew it.
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  Speaker 6: Because you got here and you were like, I could
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  Speaker 6: go try to figure out what to wear. And I
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  Speaker 6: was like, I thought you were going to wear a sweater.
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  Speaker 12: Wear a sweater.
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  Speaker 2: You usually wear a sweater in the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: sweltering 90 degree day.
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  Speaker 12: And I'm like, I saw some short sleeve sweaters at
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  Speaker 12: the store. I have to go buy one.
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  Speaker 2: You have a problem. I know.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 12: I didn't realize it. I did not realize I had
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  Speaker 12: this problem.
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  Speaker 6: It's sad that I knew it and Jay has called
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  Speaker 6: you out on it before.
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  Speaker 2: We all knew it.
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  Speaker 12: Do you think I'm sweater girl? Maybe that's your thing.
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  Speaker 12: God damn it. I need something cooler than that.
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  Speaker 2: There's worse things you could be known for around town.
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  Speaker 12: Hey, there's that girl. She always wears sweaters.
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  Speaker 6: It's boring, but again, there's way worse things you could
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  Speaker 6: be known for. There's some girls here at this show
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  Speaker 6: that are known for some way worse things.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I keep, I'm like, hey, look, there's tall crazy
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  Speaker 12: slut over there.
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  Speaker 2: That's like half the girls.
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  Speaker 7: No, no, there's one.
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  Speaker 12: Specifically tall crazy slut.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them aren't that tall.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, most men aren't as tall as she. She's like 6'6.
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  Speaker 12: She's an Amazon woman.
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  Speaker 2: Is she the one that was bent over that one
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  Speaker 2: time when we all saw her undercarriage?
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  Speaker 12: Tall crazy slut, yeah. See, I've actually had the misfortune
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  Speaker 12: of hanging out with her before. She is batshit crazy.
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  Speaker 12: Completely crazy.
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  Speaker 10: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: So your breakdown, does that round out your geek week?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, because I have to go buy a sweater.
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  Speaker 2: You do have a problem.
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  Speaker 12: I'm not joking.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 6: We will take a break here, and I'll go see
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  Speaker 6: if I can track down Eddie and make him tell
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  Speaker 6: us crazy stories.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 19: Bye.
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  Speaker 10: We'll just roll in time again.
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  Speaker 20: My baby's got a mat on and it's bad again
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  Speaker 20: Seems like this is the worst she's ever been Oh,
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  Speaker 20: come on, we'll let's go through.
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• 15:46
  Speaker 5: They just fucked with the wrong Mexican.
• 15:52
  Speaker 12: Machete.
• 15:53
  Speaker 10: Machete.
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: All right, so we're back out here on the outskirts
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: of the parking lot, and we're putting up with what
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: exactly do you even call that process there, the blowing
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: out of your vehicle?
• 16:34
  Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure they're doing the flame throwing. They're throwing flames.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work as well on the audio. From over here,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: all I do is hear a lot of noise.
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: No.
• 16:45
  Speaker 11: It sounds like Warzone.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you lose a little bit.
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: All right, so we're here with Eddie, who I guess
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: at this point you've become an extended member of the family.
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: Whether you like it or not, I don't know. I
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: was thinking it was more often, but it looks like
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: it's become an annual event. It seems like we can
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: only work it in during the meters full show. But, again,
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: any time in between now and then, you know, you're
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: welcome to join us for these festivities. Oh, yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I guess we can get into your geek activities as well.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: But, in general, I guess I was going to ask
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: how you've mentioned on many occasions, or just your continual
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: Facebook posts, every time it's in a different city.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You do a lot of traveling, so it seems.
• 17:35
  Speaker 10: Is that fun?
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 11: Uh, it's fun.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm buying that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 11: It's, uh, it's something. I don't think, um, I don't know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 11: You know, everybody, everybody assumes that, like, bands travel in
• 17:52
  Speaker 11: tour buses.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Like your Aerosmith. You've got 14 buses and stay at
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: five-star hotels.
• 18:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and everybody, or, you know, at least assumes that
• 18:03
  Speaker 11: you're traveling in a big 15-passenger van.
• 18:05
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: That rarely breaks down. I've seen your car.
• 18:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you've seen my car.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: It's not a tour bus.
• 18:14
  Speaker 10: No.
• 18:14
  Speaker 11: Well, it's big enough. It's as big as it needs
• 18:17
  Speaker 11: to be for my van. But let's see. Since last Beatersville,
• 18:28
  Speaker 11: it's broken down. Well, the last run that I made,
• 18:32
  Speaker 11: the run that I made in January, it's been out
• 18:35
  Speaker 11: to New York. and back. It's been down to Texas
• 18:39
  Speaker 11: and back. The January run, I was supposed to go
• 18:42
  Speaker 11: all the way out to the west coast. Okay, it's
• 18:46
  Speaker 11: a 1985 Pontiac. It's a Parisienne, which I'd never heard
• 18:52
  Speaker 11: of before this car showed up.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: They only made that one. It's yours.
• 18:57
  Speaker 11: I've now dubbed it Shitty Shitty Bang Bang.
• 19:00
  Speaker 10: Nice.
• 19:01
  Speaker 11: It looks cool.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It does look cool.
• 19:06
  Speaker 10: It looks cool.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: The fact that it's still running is impressive in its
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: own right, so, you know.
• 19:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I've put a lot of money into it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Whether you like it or not.
• 19:18
  Speaker 11: It broke down in Fort Worth. I had to cancel
• 19:21
  Speaker 11: all the dates across New Mexico, Arizona, California. Some of
• 19:30
  Speaker 11: them were a little painful to cancel. I had a
• 19:32
  Speaker 11: show opening up for.
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: Phil Alvin from the Blasters and that didn't work out
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: obviously I had to call ahead and let him know
• 19:43
  Speaker 11: that I wasn't going to make it out there which
• 19:46
  Speaker 11: is pretty painful and not to mention I had a
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: lot of shows that were actually going to pay me.
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: Which is kind of strange.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: That would be nice.
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: Pay me.
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, anyway, whatever. It broke down a couple times. I
• 19:59
  Speaker 11: wound up taking a train back from Dallas, drinking the
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: entire way because I didn't have to operate the train.
• 20:07
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: That's probably for the best.
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: And I made it back in time for that tour's
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: final show in Bloomington. I made it back in time
• 20:15
  Speaker 11: for my set.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: To close out your own tour?
• 20:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah. Of course, I'd been drinking for two days.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that was a really good set.
• 20:23
  Speaker 11: No, it was beautiful.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: I was able to make an entrance with my guitar
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: strapped around one shoulder and a half-drank bottle of whiskey in.
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: The other hand.
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: It was some rock star shit.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: I don't know if we endorse these behaviors here on
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Movie Box. But, you know, there's a lot of rock
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: star lifestyle going on.
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: That's what goes on. So then I got back from
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: there and wound up having to hitchhike from Bloomington, Indiana,
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: back down to Dallas to get the car.
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 20:56
  Speaker 11: It was fixed. When we actually made it down there,
• 21:00
  Speaker 11: The car still wasn't completely fixed, so we wound up
• 21:03
  Speaker 11: sleeping in the junkyard behind the shop, which I was
• 21:08
  Speaker 11: informed the next day was full of rattlesnakes.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: This is fun.
• 21:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's fun.
• 21:14
  Speaker 21: Adventure.
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: It's adventure.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: That it is.
• 21:17
  Speaker 11: Adventure is not pleasant while you're experiencing it most of
• 21:21
  Speaker 11: the time. We had a few pretty close calls. We
• 21:27
  Speaker 11: almost got knifed in Memphis.
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It's Memphis. That does not surprise me. I've been to Memphis.
• 21:33
  Speaker 11: It's Memphis. It's beautiful. And, let's see, there are knives,
• 21:40
  Speaker 11: there are guns, meth.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: It's a normal Thursday night, sure.
• 21:46
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah. The usual hitchhiking shit, you know. Nothing that interesting.
• 21:53
  Speaker 11: We had one, this was interesting. We had a normal
• 21:56
  Speaker 11: dude pick us up.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Is that allowed in hitchhiking?
• 22:00
  Speaker 25: No.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: I'm not sure how it happened. We went from speed
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: freak to normal dude to rapey ex-army guy.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I fear for your safety many a time.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: I just see these posts and go, oh, well, that's
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: the last.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Time we'll have him on the show. He's in a
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: trunk now. He's buried in a shallow grave outside of
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Houston somewhere.
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: No, you know, the Empire is still plugging along in
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: one form or another. But yeah, anyway, it's, uh, it's
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: good material.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It certainly does.
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: Good stories to tell my daughter.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it certainly lends to that, uh, the traveling, uh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: musician lifestyle. You know, you can definitely feed from that
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: on the music.
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: And kind of in one of the more extreme, one
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: of the more extreme. Because we definitely, um, we ran
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: into a lot of bands on the way down there
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: because it was during South by Southwest.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 11: And, um, Out of six bands that we talked to
• 22:58
  Speaker 11: that all had 15 passenger vans with four members traveling
• 23:02
  Speaker 11: in them with all of their equipment in the trailer
• 23:06
  Speaker 11: on the back of the van, none of those bands
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: would give us a ride.
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: Nice.
• 23:10
  Speaker 11: They're like, there's suitcases in the back of the van.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: You guys are shady looking. We don't want you on
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: our bus. We've got a fancy bus and we want
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: to keep it that way.
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: We have some rules as far as how many patches
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: you can have on your jacket. Sorry. You don't smell good. So, sorry. But,
• 23:36
  Speaker 11: you know, here's our email address. Sign up for our newsletter.
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: And I guess hit us up when you get down
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: to South By and we'll hang out. I don't want
• 23:47
  Speaker 11: to hang out with you douchebags.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: After you've blown us off and not given us a
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: ride and left us stranded, yeah, I really want to
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: hang out next time I get down there.
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: So, yeah, but we made it back. The car made
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: it back. My cousin kind of hated me most of
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: the trip. He went down with me. He was all
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: stoked on some Kerouac and gotten all hopped up on
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: Kerouac before we left.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is kind of some of those stories. Crazy
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Kerouac stories.
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: He wasn't so stoked on Kerouac.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: It's fun when you're reading it. It's not so fun
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: when you're living it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 11: But, yes, we made it back, and now it's back to,
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: you know, the grind.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: You continually, and have for a while. I mean, the
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: band itself has changed over the years now.
• 24:35
  Speaker 26: Oh, yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: Are you still multiple members now? My favorite part is
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: you continually refer to yourself as a group. We continue
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: to lose members every day. When most of the time
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: I see you, you're there by yourself. And it makes
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: me feel good because I do that now. Like, I
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: don't even think about it. It's like, we're doing this.
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: And usually I'm the only one sitting there. I'm the
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: only one, like, talking about something. And I talk about
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: the show and the cast, as it were, half of
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: which probably don't want to be doing whatever it is
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about doing. So I don't feel as bad
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: when I feel like you also suffer from this group mentality.
• 25:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I'm also open to having members show up
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: and play a set with me and, you know, just
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: on their availability.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Obviously, that's what I'm doing, too.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah. That's how I keep roping guys like you into this.
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: We're an open group, and, you know, come on, sit
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: in with us.
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: You know, I'm actually in the process of... I've got
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: a bunch of different musical recordings I'm working on. I've
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: got a gospel series that I'm putting out.
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: Nice.
• 25:40
  Speaker 11: And that's all cassette singles that are released through a
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: kind of weird, experimental, mostly metal label in my hometown.
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: That's more annoying.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Would you finish breaking into that car so we can
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: continue on?
• 26:00
  Speaker 11: So I'm working on this gospel series.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: It's a tape-by-tape.
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: It starts out with just me in the studio with
• 26:10
  Speaker 11: my regular setup, and then it builds every single tape.
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: It's going to be six tapes when it's done. Seven tapes, actually.
• 26:20
  Speaker 11: The sixth will be cassette singles. The seventh will be
• 26:24
  Speaker 11: a full length with full orchestration. So we'll have choir
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: on it. We'll have full horn section, organ. We may
• 26:32
  Speaker 11: even have a preacher in there. breathing heavily into a
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: microphone nice um.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Is it all stuff you order directly from you guys
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: or i'm just in in this uh era of itunes
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: and nothing but digital download this is kind of cool
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: as a retro uh return to physical music.
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah no and the um as as long as we
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: have we have we're releasing limited run um of the
• 26:57
  Speaker 11: cassettes and uh it's like they're they're limited to 50
• 27:01
  Speaker 11: 50 copies for each single.
• 27:06
  Speaker 23: And then.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: There's a word that hasn't been used in a long time.
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: Once those are sold out, those albums are available for
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: free download on RS Apothecary's website, which is... If you
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: want to check out some of the stuff, some of
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: the stuff they do is pretty epic. They've got a
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: lot of these kind of soundscape recordings and just a
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: lot of experimental stuff. They just released an 8-track for
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: one of the bands... that's on the label, which honestly,
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: like I, I, I may or may not have taken
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: a post-it note into the record store and, uh, posted
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: on the eight tracks written.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: This is silly.
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: It was absolutely silly. Um, they have recordings that is,
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: it's just a clip of, it's a tape. It's audio
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: tape that's been snipped off at the ends of the
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: recordings and rolled up and put into little vials with
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: some sand and you buy the vial and it just
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: it just sits on your shelf if there's no real
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: way to listen to it you know there's there's audio
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: on it because they wouldn't lie about that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: But collectability yeah and novelty.
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: And of course it's they make two copies well limited
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: edition real limited but anyway that's so I got that
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: gospel project going on I'm working on a tribute to
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: the empires which is going to be released on um
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: plastic picnic plates apparently or some kind of duck plate
• 28:40
  Speaker 11: i don't know the dude tried to explain it to
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: me yesterday i didn't really understand but i was like
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: yep sounds good sign me up so it's a tribute
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: to the empires it's the empires tributing the empire okay.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: So you are involved in the band's playing or is
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: there anyone else playing it's just you tributing yourself.
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: No this is me tributing this is The Empires. Tributing
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: The Empires.
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: Which was a, it was a doo-wop group back in
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: the 1950s.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: That clears it up a little bit.
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: They put work in, and they didn't really get the
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: recognition they should have. They put a lot of work in.
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: They released more 7-inches than any other doo-wop group out there.
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: And never got any credibility for it, because they weren't
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: the Cadillacs.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Is that why you're hyphenated?
• 29:31
  Speaker 21: Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Because you couldn't be with T-H-E. In case you aren't unaware,
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: it's T-H apostrophe. so you're apostrophized as the empires without
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: that extra E in the middle.
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: I believe Nouveau Nouveau magazine in Indianapolis their only comment
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: on an upcoming show that we had was something about
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: our oddly truncated name.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I actually liked it because I hadn't really seen that.
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: Before well uh Shack Shakers used to do that oh
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: that's true yeah they used to be the legendary Shack
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: Shakers and I've seen I've seen a couple others I
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: don't know right off hand but uh yeah so there's
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: that coming out um I'm working on another EP which
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: will actually be with a full band with Upright Bass
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: um some uh some pretty crazy rhythms I mean wild
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: wow wacky A lot of South American influence.
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: And some polka.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so that's what's going on over in our world.
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: The past two recordings that I've done are actually available
• 30:51
  Speaker 11: right now for free download or donation if the downloader.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Feels that they should.
• 30:59
  Speaker 11: Decides that they've. They can spend money on anything other
• 31:02
  Speaker 11: than booze. I'm not saying that our listeners are alcoholics,
• 31:11
  Speaker 11: but a lot of them are.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: You said that. Let's see.
• 31:14
  Speaker 11: Yeah, the two albums are available. It's at www.theempires.com.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: It's T-H-Empires. Don't double E.
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: No, no double E's. You don't want to go to
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: that website.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Lord only knows what you get on there.
• 31:31
  Speaker 19: Oh, man.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I guess to bring it back around, have you watched
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: any weird movies lately? Interesting, good?
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: That's about all I watch.
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: I just actually just finished Naked Lunch.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that certainly qualifies.
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and what was strange, real life, there's always real
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: life events. I don't know if it's just that I'm
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: taking notice of them because... Just got done watching a
• 31:54
  Speaker 11: movie about bugs. About drugs and bugs. But I was
• 31:59
  Speaker 11: getting attacked last night by large insects. There were a
• 32:03
  Speaker 11: lot of insect guts all over the place.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Who were working on an old manual typewriter?
• 32:08
  Speaker 11: No, there weren't any typewriters involved last night, but, you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: a lot of oddly sexual insects.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: Just attacking me left and right.
• 32:20
  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
• 32:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, last night was kind of It was a little gory.
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: Let's see.
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: Other.
• 32:27
  Speaker 11: Oh, my favorite recently that I recently watched was Enter
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: the Void, which I don't know if you guys have
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: seen that one.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I think which one is that one? Is that the.
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: It's Gaspar Nob.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I know the title. I think I'm mixing it up
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: with a couple different ones.
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: It's real fucked up.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: It's basically... Well, it's shot from.
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: The narrator's vision. At first I thought it was a
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: shaky cam. It was like a high quality shaky cam.
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: And then I realized that the camera was blinking. And
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: I was like, ah, okay. I like this. And then
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: it just gets crazy. It just gets crazy. Drug induced craziness.
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: A lot of it is him floating over this like
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: acid version of the club version of tokyo um a
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: lot of flashing lights and uh two and a half
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: hours long.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Nice maybe that's why i haven't gotten to this one yet.
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: A lot of strippers a lot of colors strippers flashing
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: colors two and a half hours that'd be some really
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: good strippers for two and a half hours yeah you
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: know it's off and on he floats his spirit floats
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: through walls Into strip clubs, out of strip clubs.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: This sounds very arty.
• 33:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's good. It's good stuff.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Well, this week we're watching Thunder Road. Have you ever
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: seen Thunder Road?
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: What is your take on it?
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: It's a classic.
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: Robert Mitchum, right?
• 34:10
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I saw that a long time ago, and I
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: was actually really impressed. A lot of those old movies
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: are pretty high quality.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was back when they didn't, like,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: just half-ass things.
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: Like, if they were going to do it, I mean,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: sometimes there's little weak points here and there.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Acting on occasion, but we'll get to it later.
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: But, I mean, you know, like, especially then when a
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: studio was behind it, that they were putting, you know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: pretty top-notch people on it. So when you watch, like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: those car wrecks and, you know, you're watching the chase
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: scenes and stuff, it's like that was, especially for the time,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: was really impressive.
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: It's a good subject matter, too.
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: Because it was, like, it was based on real shit.
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: That happened.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything was.
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: And real, like, some real good, real good shit going on.
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: And it was, yeah, I mean, it really was a
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: huge chunk of American history there where you had dealing
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: with Prohibition, you had dealing with people, you know, making
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: their own booze and running it, and then how the
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: authorities get involved and how the organized.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Crime end of it came about.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: So there's a lot of things going on there, probably, like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: a few of them that they just sort of graze.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That are pretty huge... pieces of history that were real.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: Well, just the transportation.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 11: The transportation of the booze in these cars. They said
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: they used to use trucks a lot. I mean, of course,
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: for the movie, they were running, like, these hot rods
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: and stuff.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Souped-up cars.
• 35:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah. Which they would. They'd run some pretty souped-up trucks.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: Some of which were real, because, yeah, I think they
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: said they bought some of those cars from drivers, like,
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: from the actual drivers, and then they used that money
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: to buy new and better cars.
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: Well, and the entire thing started NASCAR.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 21: Yeah, it is.
• 35:52
  Speaker 11: Like, if we didn't have Moonshine running and these, like,
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: hopped-up farm vehicles, we wouldn't have NASCAR.
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: Because, and a lot of those dudes, I can't remember
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: the one guy's name, like, Junior Johnny Johnson.
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: That sounds like everybody in NASCAR.
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: Junior Johnson or something like that. He, uh, that dude,
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: if you see some like old, some old photos of him,
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: like you'd believe he's a moonshine runner.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 11: Like sitting there. Um, I mean he'd race in Daytona,
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: which was, which was a track on the beach. It was,
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: it was sand. Um, or they'd have sections of it
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: that would go out onto the beach and you'd actually
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: be running like real cars, not these like plastic, um,
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: bulletin boards.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: One big piece of car.
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: Um, and the crashes were real, like these guys died.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: And because of that, most of the guys that were
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: racing were just completely off their rocker, like just crazy hillbillies.
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: I mean, they'd smoke cigars while they were racing.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: As Mitchum does.
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: He's got the cigarette going just about the entire time
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: he's driving.
• 37:03
  Speaker 19: Helmets.
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: Weren't really necessary.
• 37:06
  Speaker 23: Hell no.
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: Because, you know, if you crashed, you were going to die.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: If you're Robert Mitchum, you're so badass, nothing can break
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: your skull.
• 37:11
  Speaker 11: Oh, he sings the song, too.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I think we'll go out on that, actually.
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: Thunder Road.
• 37:20
  Speaker 27: All right, well, we will take a break here, and
• 37:22
  Speaker 27: when we come back, we will go into this week's feature,
• 37:25
  Speaker 27: Thunder Road, and we'll actually be in a makeshift studio,
• 37:29
  Speaker 27: and we'll have a few extra members thrown in for
• 37:32
  Speaker 27: this week's rundown.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: So we'll get a different take on Thunder Road. We'll
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: be back.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Please remember to replace the speaker on the post when
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: you leave the theater.
• 38:01
  Speaker 26: What's up?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: It's Brian again.
• 38:02
  Speaker 27: Just here to tell you it's coming up on one
• 38:04
  Speaker 27: of our favorite times of year here at Movie Meltdown.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: It's coming up on the Fright Night Film Fest.
• 38:08
  Speaker 27: This will be the seventh annual Fright Night Film Fest.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: But not only that.
• 38:13
  Speaker 27: This year also kicks off Fandom Fest. an entire second convention.
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: Of geek and pop culture.
• 38:20
  Speaker 27: But wait, you get both awesome shows for the same
• 38:23
  Speaker 27: low price. Now this is no longer just a convention
• 38:26
  Speaker 27: that caters to horror geeks, but it crosses over into
• 38:29
  Speaker 27: a whole new realm where fantasy and sci-fi lovers, as
• 38:32
  Speaker 27: well as comic book collectors, general film lovers, can hang
• 38:35
  Speaker 27: out with gamers, authors, and artists of all types. It's
• 38:39
  Speaker 27: like Geek Valhalla, only you don't have to die to
• 38:41
  Speaker 27: get there, you just have to get your tickets now.
• 38:44
  Speaker 27: Now the main guest... The legend himself, director John Carpenter.
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: Amazing.
• 38:52
  Speaker 27: One of the most influential directors of our time. Not
• 38:56
  Speaker 27: only that, this list of guests goes on. We've got
• 38:59
  Speaker 27: the Fonz himself, Henry Winkler. That is so awesome. Also,
• 39:04
  Speaker 27: Margot Kidder, Tiffany Shephus, Larry Drake, Jeremy Bullock. Tony Moore
• 39:08
  Speaker 27: and the Stars of The Walking Dead. The Stars of
• 39:10
  Speaker 27: Enter the Dragon. Bruce Lee not included.
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: A Karate Kid Cobra Kai reunion.
• 39:15
  Speaker 27: And give us a Revenge of the Nerds reunion.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: Seriously. Featuring Robert Carradine, Larry B. Scott, Curtis Armstrong, and
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: if booger bean there wasn't enough, Donald Gibb. Ogre, ladies
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: and gentlemen, will be there. There's so many others. I mean,
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: the stars of American Graffiti, Jaws, Phantasm, so many other stars.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: You'll just have to go look at the list. It's
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: ridiculous how many stars are there. Plus, again, we cross
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: over into all the other activities that are added this year.
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: You know, you've got Literary guests and gaming guests and artists.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: There'll be seminars and workshops going on. Movies the entire weekend.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: Live music, a masquerade ball. And the now infamous Georgetown
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: Drive-In event. Plus an appearance from your friends at Movie Meltdown.
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: And isn't that really the most impressive thing? And it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: all going on July 22nd through the 24th in Louisville, Kentucky.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: So get your tickets now. You can go to FrightNightFilmFest.com
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: or the site for the new convention, Fandom Fest. That's
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: F-A-N-D-O-M-F-E-S-T dot com.
• 40:18
  Speaker 27: It's going to be one hell of a weekend.
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: The Fright Night Film Fest is my favorite film festival,
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: hands down.
• 40:27
  Speaker 21: Welcome to a night.
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Of total terror.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: That's Mickey Mouse's penis.
• 40:35
  Speaker 9: I knew it was that terrible.
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: They don't look to be afraid.
• 40:40
  Speaker 21: They look to be shocked.
• 40:41
  Speaker 26: Here's vagina.
• 40:44
  Speaker 21: Did you see Miley Cyrus' globulous breasts?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Night of the Living Podcast.
• 40:51
  Speaker 28: I found more syrup on my pants.
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: There was, however, a guy using.
• 40:59
  Speaker 24: An experience in shock more shattering than your strangest.
• 41:03
  Speaker 23: Nightmare night of the living podcast.
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: Ass to mouth is hot Fantastic.
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: Holy shit!
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: That just happened. What's that bad man doing to my donkey?
• 41:17
  Speaker 25: A night of total terror.
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: I can't maintain this level of ridiculousness.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: They made a song.
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: Night of the Living Podcast.
• 41:42
  Speaker 21: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Each year, the millions of gallons of illegal whiskey manufactured
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: in the southeastern United States represents millions of dollars in
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: taxes lost to the American people. The AMTTU, in their
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: continuing service to their country, have within one year captured
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: over 10,000 stills and impounded over 3,000 of the powerful
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: vehicles which are used by the transporters. Those wild and
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: reckless men who transport illegal whiskey from its source to
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: its point of distribution. This is the story of a
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: transporter and his opposite number, an agent of the U.S.
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: Treasury.
• 42:31
  Speaker 19: We got one last chance to make it real. To
• 42:34
  Speaker 19: trade in these wings on some wheels. Climbing back in. Alright,
• 42:55
  Speaker 19: so we are back.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: To do another round of Sofa Theater. We've escaped the
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: parking lot for a minute or two and assembled our
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: own gang of bikers and hot rodders to talk about
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: this week's movie. So once again, for the rundown of
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: our own Roughneck crew here, once again, I'm Brian.
• 43:40
  Speaker 28: I'm Marlena.
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: I'm Greg.
• 43:42
  Speaker 21: I'm Frederick, Luke, and Laura Miller.
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: I'm Lacey.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: So we're back for this week's Sofa Theater feature, which
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: of course is Thunder Road. The year is 1958, director
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Arthur Ripley. The plot, according to IMDb, a veteran comes
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: home from the Korean War to the mountains and takes
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: over the family moonshining business. He has to battle big
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: city gangsters who are trying to take over the business
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: and the police who are trying to put him in prison.
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: So with that, a big spoiler alert, because I'm sure,
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: as usual, we will run the hell out of this movie.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: So go watch it. It is available on DVD online.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: or anywhere else out there in the world, you run
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: across it. So, go watch yourself a version of Thunder Road.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: All right, where would you guys like to begin?
• 44:31
  Speaker 21: Well, I think it's one of those characters like a vampire,
• 44:37
  Speaker 21: in a way. It's a romantic character because he is
• 44:41
  Speaker 21: what he does. He so identifies with being a bootlegger.
• 44:45
  Speaker 21: And it has that vampire quality, too, because he has
• 44:48
  Speaker 21: a younger brother who is his mechanic, No, he doesn't
• 44:51
  Speaker 21: want his brother to ever become a bootlegger. And it's
• 44:55
  Speaker 21: romantic because I think for people who, you know, they
• 45:01
  Speaker 21: are the way they are, and maybe they're not especially
• 45:04
  Speaker 21: successful at what it is, but they still, they cling
• 45:08
  Speaker 21: to that. They are, for better or worse, they are
• 45:11
  Speaker 21: what they are. And so I think it romanticizes this
• 45:16
  Speaker 21: guy who is basically doing what... I'm not an expert
• 45:22
  Speaker 21: on it, but I believe NASCAR evolved.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: Out of this as a sport.
• 45:28
  Speaker 21: And for, you know, for like mountain guys who, you know,
• 45:34
  Speaker 21: are not suited for basketball or football, that's the sport,
• 45:39
  Speaker 21: you know. Yeah, and it's a big deal to a
• 45:43
  Speaker 21: lot of people. I don't know anything about it, but
• 45:47
  Speaker 21: I think there's a romance to it, and it's a
• 45:49
  Speaker 21: kind of, Well, you know, it's an anti-hero, a romantic anti-hero.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: That's an interesting way to look at it. Yeah, I
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: don't think I've thought of it, but it definitely works
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: up the romanticized version of it because you see definitely
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: one of the two, I mean, there's one woman involved
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: that is, just completely enamored with this guy for no
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: reason really i mean he's yeah that's why i mean
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: yeah it's it's there's not really anything he's offering uh
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: that this other guy isn't and and this guy's stepping
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: up and wants to and you know our main character
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: could care less about her really.
• 46:30
  Speaker 29: But she is completely no i mean he she is
• 46:33
  Speaker 29: completely and totally like in love with this guy for
• 46:37
  Speaker 29: no real reason so i think some of it is
• 46:39
  Speaker 29: that allure of the job if you want to call
• 46:41
  Speaker 29: it that but mostly the lifestyle that he has that
• 46:45
  Speaker 29: is how he exists and she's totally bought into.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: It that's going off of Fred's theme that is the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: key to romance is.
• 46:56
  Speaker 30: The most romantic moment in a movie or the most
• 46:58
  Speaker 30: romantic woman is the love that cannot happen they play
• 47:03
  Speaker 30: that up all the time when two lovers can't be
• 47:06
  Speaker 30: together that's more romantic than them being.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: Together It usually... I mean, that becomes the more.
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: The literary device of it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's more drama there to play up than if
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: they get together. Well, okay, the story, you know, there's
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: nothing else to go with. It's just them skipping through
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: a field.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: When he returns, he can't be the city guy. And
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: he can't be with the girl back home. Because he
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: knows he's torn between. And I think this might sound
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: too literary, you know, but.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I think this movie, for me, I wasn't expecting a movie.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: I was expecting a car movie.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting the plight of the South, and especially
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the Tennessee-Kentucky South, of really still hanging on to that
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: post-Civil War, what do we do now? And the industrialization,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the North coming in, the Treasury guys, the mob, Which,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: that is, you know, the Chicago mob is coming down
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: to Memphis to enforce, and it's again, the Yankees are
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: coming in and they're tearing our way of life out.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: Of the hills again.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's all based in reality.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, the main character that Mitchum is based on
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: was loosely based on the story that has been passed
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: along to Mitchum.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: And he set that up, but also the mob coming
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: into Memphis was based on what was really going on
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: at that point in time. So, I mean, it's all
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: based in a world that kind of really existed.
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: I just spent a weekend working in.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: The hills of southeastern Kentucky and seeing myself.
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: That we were working on homes for people and to see.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And hear the stories of what the outsiders, the coal companies,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: have gone in and done.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: It's just like what this movie is.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: It's people coming in, forcing their way in, exploiting, not
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: caring about the people and not caring about what they're
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: doing and telling them how to live their life.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: And the people are left with what now? What next?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Our lives are, we have no choice. We're strong-armed into
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it not being the same again. And I wasn't ready
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: for that when I saw this movie. Again, I was
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: expecting a car movie.
• 49:33
  Speaker 31: It appears that this fella, Kogan, is out to put.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Us in his pocket.
• 49:39
  Speaker 31: No matter how rough he has to make it. And
• 49:42
  Speaker 31: the revenue, boys, are tightening up. Now, I want some
• 49:49
  Speaker 31: opinions as to what we.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Ought to do. What does Luke think is the best
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: thing to do? He'd fight Kogan till hell freezes over.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: How should we go about it? Well, Luke and me
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: has discussed it a good bit. We'd start by rechecking
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: every man who's hauling or making moon in this valley,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: including still men, watchers, walkers, and catchers. And when we
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: were absolutely sure of our men, we'd move every still
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: to a scared location, buy new transporter cars all around.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: And the last thing, we'd have the drivers change their
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: road approach to every delivery point, carry automatic weapons in
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: every car. That in itself is a violation, but Mr.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Cogan intends to shoot us off the road if he
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: has to. Now, it seems to me you're You're going
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: to have to come to this eventually.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was going to say that's what I was
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: surprised by this and kind of impressed with was the
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: fact that I expected, you know, I kind of knew
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: that's what it was about, but I also knew that,
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: you know, what most movies do, and specifically this is,
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: you know, a pretty Hollywood-made movie, and in the 50s,
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: they're probably going to dumb down all these characters and
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: they're going to play down the dumb people from the South,
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: and it's a stereotype that exists now. Granted, there's a
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: lot of people that really are. I think we've come
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: in contact with many over the years. So we know
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: it's based on real people, but it becomes a big
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: stereotype that is thrown around, especially from people that don't
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: come from that part of the world. So, I mean,
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: it's very easy to just make them, you know, paint
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: the picture of these dumb Southern people and this little,
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: you know, racket they have going on. But what I
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: think what this did was it did at least make
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: them all real characters. I mean, you look at, like,
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: Mitchum's father... and they have that little meeting, the business
• 51:35
  Speaker 6: meeting of illegal business, basically, but they all get together
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: from that whole part of the country, and they're just
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: kind of like, okay, what do we do now? And
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: none of them, I mean, they were all simple people,
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: but none of them were stupid, and they didn't play down,
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: they didn't dumb down any of that. It's like they
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: were just real people. I was kind of impressed with that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: It was kind of, and nobody seemed, other than the
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: couple of yokels who flattened their tire, they were idiots.
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: And they were kind of creepy. Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: And that was a shocking moment, too.
• 52:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: Because it didn't seem patronizing at all before that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden that moment, there's like, oh,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: these are the hayseeds that I thought would populate the film.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: I thought that was going to be everybody.
• 52:10
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: So they threw that in. But other than that, it's like.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: Aside from the one that has the chewing tobacco.
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: In his mouth... But even then, it's like once he
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: spits it out, he talks like a normal person, more
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: or less. I mean, they're backwits people, but it didn't
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: make them as dumb as I expected a Hollywood movie,
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: especially a Hollywood movie in the 50s, to kind of
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: play down to this type of people.
• 52:32
  Speaker 21: It's not really just the South, but it's the Appalachian South.
• 52:37
  Speaker 21: There's something about the character there. And part of it, too,
• 52:40
  Speaker 21: is the politeness, which I don't really think is just
• 52:45
  Speaker 21: the period of the film.
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: No, it's not.
• 52:48
  Speaker 21: But that's actually something about Appalachian culture. Even amongst their enemies,
• 52:54
  Speaker 21: there's this kind of odd restraint. And it's something that
• 52:59
  Speaker 21: persists even... Well, I'm no expert on Appalachian culture, but
• 53:04
  Speaker 21: my dad was. My dad grew up right there, where
• 53:08
  Speaker 21: that movie.
• 53:11
  Speaker 21: Lester, North Carolina, which is close... to Asheville. And he
• 53:19
  Speaker 21: knew pretty much everything you could know about Appalachian culture.
• 53:24
  Speaker 21: But it does remind me of him and his family
• 53:28
  Speaker 21: and how, in a way, although they're isolated up until
• 53:34
  Speaker 21: the world encroaches on them, but then they also just
• 53:38
  Speaker 21: sort of feel at home anywhere because they're so themselves.
• 53:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 53:42
  Speaker 21: They're just so who they are. Like my aunt is
• 53:48
  Speaker 21: married to a guy who's like the CFO of the
• 53:50
  Speaker 21: Biltmore Estate. And so one time we had like a
• 53:54
  Speaker 21: family reunion on the Biltmore Estate, which was, you know,
• 53:58
  Speaker 21: my dad who's like a PhD and his next younger
• 54:01
  Speaker 21: brother who never graduated fourth grade. But they're all just,
• 54:06
  Speaker 21: you know, who they are. So I was kind of
• 54:09
  Speaker 21: surprised how vivid because I don't think he really knew.
• 54:14
  Speaker 21: He wasn't from Appalachia. He didn't have any background.
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: I think he was.
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: From New York, wasn't he, Mitchum?
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: I can double-check.
• 54:23
  Speaker 21: But it seemed like they had a credible style and
• 54:27
  Speaker 21: feel that surprised me.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Mitchum did, and the father and the mother.
• 54:34
  Speaker 21: I thought his son did, too. His son could have
• 54:37
  Speaker 21: been my cousin.
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: That was his brother.
• 54:39
  Speaker 10: Wasn't it?
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: No, it's actually his son. His son's playing his brother.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: I assumed it was his brother. I did too.
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: He couldn't act his way out of the box.
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: But he came off like a kid in that kind
• 54:52
  Speaker 6: of town, really. He wasn't a great actor, but I
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: bought him as that character. It's a fine line.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Except for the scenes they clearly had to reshoot because
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: he was so horrible.
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: Actually, the scene I.
• 55:08
  Speaker 21: Really liked him in was when he was talking to
• 55:11
  Speaker 21: the revenuer, and he just stood there with that blank
• 55:16
  Speaker 21: look on his face, which... Maybe because he couldn't act,
• 55:20
  Speaker 21: but I'm telling you, that's true.
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: That's just true.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Did you notice when he was staring blankly at you
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that it was a painted background.
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: At that moment? Uh-huh.
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: There are a lot of painted.
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: And they cut back, and they're back at the schoolyard.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: My friend that I was with, he was like, how
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: cheap were.
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: scene painters back then.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: It was somehow cheaper than just going back to that yard.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's because they had to take him into
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: a confined area and say, read these lines, don't move, don't.
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: It was bad. I think he struggled.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: There was one scene when he comes into the cabin
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: and he's talking to Mitchum and It's like he's supposed
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to be looking almost directly at the camera, maybe a
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: little low, but he's looking down.
• 56:17
  Speaker 7: And at one point, you can see his eyes.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: He's reading.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is really bad.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: That's when it helps to have somebody in the business
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: get you a job.
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: I swear he was reading the word pause. At one point,
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: I was like, he just mouthed the word pause.
• 56:34
  Speaker 21: Pause. It's a very primitive movie in a lot of ways,
• 56:41
  Speaker 21: but effective, too. I mean, the storytelling, it's so funny
• 56:46
  Speaker 21: now to have that community-spirited introduction. Like they had in,
• 56:52
  Speaker 21: what was it, The Wild One? These are actual games
• 56:57
  Speaker 21: that rove. And how at the end they make sure
• 57:00
  Speaker 21: to thank the authorities.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: Thank you, government.
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: Yes, thank you, government.
• 57:06
  Speaker 32: It's almost like it's a school safety film.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: It kind of is. Because they don't want.
• 57:09
  Speaker 32: To seem like they're exploiting something.
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: It kind of was in its own way. Well, it's funny.
• 57:15
  Speaker 6: When you were talking about it not really being specifically
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: of that time and finding that common ground, when you
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: said that, what it reminded me of was Winter's Bone,
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: which takes place in modern times, but you had that
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: same little isolated group of people all kind of corrupt
• 57:31
  Speaker 6: and doing their own thing, and then you have them
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: also being completely cordial to each other right before they
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: beat the hell out of you or possibly kill you.
• 57:40
  Speaker 12: I thought about that, too.
• 57:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like... So, I mean, I don't think it
• 57:43
  Speaker 6: has to be based in this time period. I think
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: even now, in that same... And that's a little further
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: down in the country where it's supposed to be, but,
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's still... It's that same society of we
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: take care of our own, good or bad. We handle
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: things our own way, you know? And that's what this...
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: Little society seems like it was.
• 58:01
  Speaker 32: And I think that's specific to the mountains.
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 32: I think once you get into the flatlands, no, you
• 58:09
  Speaker 32: don't find that.
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: Or further out west, it becomes a very different culture.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: And Robert Mitchum was from Connecticut. Connecticut. But it looks
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: like he moved around a lot. At some point he's
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: in New York, but then at some point he's down south. So,
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, he seems like he did have a
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: troubled youth, but... He's definitely the best actor in the movie.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: In his family in the movie? What's that? In his
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: family in the movie.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Just in the movie in general. He almost looked a
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: couple of times like he was smiling at how he
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: was just playing.
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: With people, almost. That he was, I am so good
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: at this.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Which fit the role because he was supposed to be
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the guy that got out that he's seen the world, he's...
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: He knows.
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: What a mobile is.
• 58:58
  Speaker 22: Right.
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: Oh, that was so touching. It's my favorite cinematic moment ever.
• 59:02
  Speaker 21: I don't know what a mobile is.
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And then there's, like, that insert of... I don't
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: know if we're reaching each other.
• 59:06
  Speaker 32: I'm going to watch him now.
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: He really is sophisticated, yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I liked at the very beginning um just some some
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: elements actual of the film when um title screen he's
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: dried or the He's driving, and it says Robert Mitchum,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and right then he lights the cigarette, and he moves
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: the flame over.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: So you can see his full face.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: The first time you see his, right when his face,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: right when his name's up there, it's.
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: They knew who to showcase.
• 59:39
  Speaker 10: In this movie.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Right, but you can almost see his ego just pouring through.
• 59:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is a Mitchum production. I mean, think
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: about it. Not only is it starring him, the story
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: is by him. It's produced by him. He wrote the song,
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: for God's sakes. I mean, it is nothing but his
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: idea followed through, and oh yeah, at the center of it,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: it's going to be me. I didn't realize he wrote
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: the song. Yeah, he wrote both of them. He wrote
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: the one that opens it. He didn't sing it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 32: In the movie, but he did have a version.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 28: Of it that was out.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 12: That's because I mean that's such a popular like god
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 12: I can't tell you when I was growing up how
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 12: many different versions.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: Of that song there's a lot of them out there
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: but then like the Whippoorwill song is also like a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: very like sweet love song so are you talking about
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: the one in the both of them he wrote or
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: co-wrote yeah the club he wrote wrote or co-wrote depending
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: on what you see both of those so I mean
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: it's like the first one I can understand the ballad
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: one is very you know just telling the story of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: the movie but the love song is like a really
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: nice love song. So to imagine Robert Mitchum, badass that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: he is, writing this legitimately good love song is kind
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: of weird, actually. I just, I don't think I realized
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: how involved in music he was. And now going back
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: and see, I mean, he put out albums. He had
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: a whole other career that was musically oriented, which is
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: kind of weird. I'm not sure if it fits him.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: He does a good job on these songs, but then
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: going back and looking, this was also the era of Calypso, right?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: So his delivery is more of like Dean Martin, but
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: sometimes it's in the middle of a Harry Belafonte song.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 6: So there's some odd songs of his out there if
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: you go looking for them. Yeah, I didn't know about
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: some of his musical endeavors.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 28: I'm going to have to.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: Did you notice every time.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: They show the stills, you can hear a whippoorwill in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the background?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 7: Doing its song.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And that's the only time, I believe it's the only
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: time in the movie that you can hear that. But
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, and that was even before I saw
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the song in the, in the, in the club scene.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 7: And, and, it's, they pour it on kind of thick.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: It's, it's nice. It's subtle enough that, I guess you
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: balance out all the other stuff. I mean, you're like
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: rolling cars and blowing shit up. So I guess to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: balance it out with some sort of nice touch to it,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: a sentimental moment here and there, I guess you balance
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: it out a little bit.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 21: It has a song-like quality as a story. It's like
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 21: a story that you would expect to have been. Because
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 21: it doesn't really have a lot of things that a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 21: story could have, but you kind of can see it
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 21: in retrospect as something that a song would remember.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, that's how he builds that story, that
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: is the ballad of. And it really is one of those,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 6: you know, you got three verses and you tell the
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: whole little story and you're done. And that's kind of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: how this goes. It's a simple story.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 12: Yeah, like songs about Billy the Kid or Bonnie and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 12: Clyde or something like that.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 28: And there's a chorus that's... this will be my last job.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 28: This will be my last job.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: This is my last job and then I'm out.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: Which is, it definitely transitions when he starts to say that,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: this is now a film noir.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: And we're going to stick with that and we're going
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: to go down that path and we're going to.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 33: You know, we're going to, this is my last out
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 33: and from here on out, and you know at that point,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 33: I'm going to spoil the crap out of this, you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 33: know he's going to die.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, because what happened with me is, on
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: the version I had, the last four and a half minutes,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: we're gone.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: I couldn't see him.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And so I said to Brian, I said, so when
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I got here, I watched the last four and a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: half minutes. But I said to him, I go, kind
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: of know how it ends.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: I already know where it's going. I was actually.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 26: Kind of surprised by how sort of anticlimactic it was, too.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: I thought it was going to be a big spectacular
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: and there was just like leading, leading, leading.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: Okay, stop.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean, they set it up that way, too.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: It's just like there's all these, I'm not going to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 12: get into it because we haven't.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 28: Reached that point, but you know, they set it up like.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: It's going to, this is going to be amazing!
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 12: And then it's just kind of like, kind of like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: a dud sparkler, you know?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 9: Aw, that was weird.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Actually, no, it's the cones that when they light it,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it starts to fizzle. It's the cones that always make.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: It.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: We expect sparklers to suck.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: I guess if you want to wait until the end
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: and do a whole wrap-up on the end. But some
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: of the stuff between now and then, this was something that... Almost,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: and again, this has nothing to do with the movie itself.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: Sometimes you bring a lot to the movie, so it's
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 6: just you, like what you, again, like we were saying
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: last time out, sometimes you just go in with your
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: own personal agenda of problems, and you're just like, no, no,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: and you can't accept it. I'm sitting there the whole
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: time going, okay, wait, he just got back from the war.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: How old is this guy? Because from day one, I'm
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: just like, Okay, Robert Mitchum is the kind of guy
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: who I'm pretty sure was born about 40. I mean,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: he always looks old. That's his thing. And it works
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: for him.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: He had a double chin.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm not knocking him. It works for him.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: But at the same time, I'm just sitting there doing
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: the math. I'm like... okay, now wait, Korea isn't... I mean,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: this role could have been played by somebody like 25.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, if he'd been a stint in Korea and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: came back, it'd sound like he'd only been back for
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: maybe a year or two. So it's like, he could
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: have been... Even looking back, it's like, they weren't as
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: young as Vietnam, but even then, like World War II
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: and later, the soldiers were only 25, 26. So it's like,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: he should have been under 30 more than likely.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 28: Yeah, I kept thinking that throughout the movie.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: I'm like, well, his.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 28: brother yeah you.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: Know it's just like did your mom wait like 20 years.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 29: Sometimes that happens it does sometimes.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: You slip one in the goal but how long does it.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 21: Take to find out what a mogul is i.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: Had to travel the world for 20 years before i
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: came back So, yeah, and I double-checked, and, yeah, I'd
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: say at least at the time of shooting, he was
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: probably 40 years old.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: And, really, he looks a little older than that. He does.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: He looks like he's 50. Yeah, he could be pushing 50. So, yeah,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: and Korea didn't last that long, so he couldn't have
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: been there for, like, years.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 32: So, did his single girlfriend, did she.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: Go to the war, too?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: Again, I'm not an unkind person.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: Again, one of us was going to have to say it, because...
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: At first, I was just like, well, she's original looking.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 28: I thought, like, you know what I thought about her?
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 28: I'm like, oh, she looks like she's left over from
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 28: the 30s. Kind of, yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: I can see that.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 21: I guess the thing that bothered me, like, she was
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 21: not so disturbing looking, but she had this curl in
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 21: her lip. She had huge teeth.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: I was like, what is that about? What did she keep?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 21: Is it like, is she trying to do an Elvis thing?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: She was ahead of her time.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: Has she got allergies?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: It may have just been she wasn't specifically an actress.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: It's Keely Smith, and yeah, she's a performer. I guess
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: that's why he brought her in to do that song,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: because that's what she was known for. She used to
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: play with Louis Prima and eventually married the guy. So,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, that was more of her area. I think
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: she only did about three movies and a couple of
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: TV appearances. So, I mean, really, acting wasn't her passion,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: I suppose. So maybe that shows through a little. Yeah,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: she wasn't really passionate in this either, which is odd
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: considering she's the other half of this relationship.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 21: That seems a little bit like kind of an Appalachian thing.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 21: In the 60s, there were all those, like, folk singers who, like,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 21: were interested in the old ballads that came over and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 21: how they'd been preserved in Appalachia. And they all had this, like, embarrassment.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 21: They didn't know how to be on stage.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 10: You know?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 21: And they would come out and they would, like, introduce
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 21: a song by telling the whole story of what the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 21: song was. And you expect, are they going to start
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 21: singing in German or what? And they'd start singing it
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 21: and it tells you exactly what they just told you. Like,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 21: They didn't really need the explanation for it.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 12: They R.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 11: Kelly'd it.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 21: Yes, they did.
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  Speaker 7: When I think traditional.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Folk music, I think R.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 12: Kelly. Do you now?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: I mean, where do you think R.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 28: Kelly got his roots?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to do.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: Two episodes that we need to start.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 21: I wish somebody could present the driving gestures.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: Right, right.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 6: Well okay yeah basically any if you're if you're like
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: five years old and you're pretending to drive and you've
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: never actually driven a car and you pretend you start
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: doing the hand and yeah for some reason hollywood picked
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: that up and for years and sometimes even now they
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 6: they do a whole lot of hand motion yeah.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 12: I just think like are you driving up a rocky
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 12: mountain like why why why are you over correct your.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: Constantly.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: So much.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: Back and forth. Yeah, I don't even drive a go-kart
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: that crazy.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: Like, why?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 6: I don't drive bumper cars like that. Why are you
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: all over the place?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 21: But, you know, in the last season of the TV
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 21: show Roseanne, when they apparently fired all the riders, and
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 21: they were just making the episodes up as they were
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 21: going along. There was one when she was driving around
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 21: town eating fast food, and she drove exactly the same way.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 21: It's like we had come... There had been no development.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 17: No.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: No progress.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe she thought, I'm going to drive like Robert Mitch.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: I think she probably did.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: Nobody's cooler than Robert Mitch.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 12: So.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 6: I guess on this, we at some point should address
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: the cars. It is still very car-heavy.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 11: It is car.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: You can definitely see why the car crowd has attached
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: themselves to this movie. I don't know. I think at
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: least it's interesting in the fact that this is like
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: back when they weren't doing car chases in movies. I mean,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: other than the silly old ones where cars would fall off.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Of buildings and stuff.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: But outside of those old Ridiculous car chase. This was
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: one of the first ones that sort of took it
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: seriously and worked that in and had a few really
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: well put together. At least like sometimes you have to
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: give them credit where it's like they can barely roll
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: a car like that now.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: Those were pretty cool.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: Those were impressive.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 32: Yeah, and they were life-size, too.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they were actually rolling a car.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: It wasn't miniatures. It wasn't blue screen or green screen.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: It was, yeah, they were rolling a car.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 28: I wondered about that.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 12: I'm like, I mean, I'm sure they didn't have, like,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 12: an unlimited supply of cars, and it was just so, like, perfect.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: They did a good job on that.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: They did a good job, yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: Well, the one thing I.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 21: Heard that gave us sense of the budget was originally
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 21: he had wanted Elvis to play his brother.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: The Colonel wanted so.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 32: Much money that it was more than the budget for
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 32: the whole movie.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: That would have been a great movie. Again, that early
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: on in Elvis' career, yeah, he still kind of wanted
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: to do real acting. So, I mean, you look at
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: his first couple of roles and he's trying and later
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: he's phoning it in because he realized they were just
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: going to give him these movies that that's all you
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: have to do. Stand there with a guitar, sing your song.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: But you look at his first movie, he was really
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: still trying to act and that's around the same time.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: So I think this is This would have been interesting,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: and we wouldn't have had his son end.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 9: Up in it.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: So it would have changed the dynamic of the movie
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 6: quite a bit, I think. But yeah, the colonel, and
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: he was supposedly interested. He actually wanted to do it,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: and the colonel said no.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 21: That would be it.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 28: I'm pretty sure there's a ride at Dollywood called Thunder Road.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 19: I love that movie.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 28: Just a side note.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: It has nothing to do with this movie. I'm not
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: sure all this would have worked. It seems like he
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: would have sucked all the charisma. I mean, like, Robert
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: Mitchum seemed to sort of surround himself. We've been discussing
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: people who are maybe less talented and less actively active
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: than himself.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 21: And there was something kind of about it that that
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 21: work i mean it was so stiff and primitive in
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 21: a way but you know sometimes things that are primitive
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 21: have a kind of power that more sophisticated things don't.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: Have yeah i think it can tap into the basics
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: a little easier it's not distracted by all the other
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 6: stuff i think it would have changed the dynamic with
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: all this in it it definitely would have taken a
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: little of the shine off of mitchum but at the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: same time it could have balanced it it could have
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: made him that that darker, cooler version where Elvis was
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: still just kind of the kid at home. He hopefully
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: would have done just a better acting job, but yeah,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: he definitely would have stole a little of the spotlight.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if Elvis was in the room, I.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 26: Can't imagine Roxanna's loyalty being that tried and true to Elder.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 10: You're right.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 21: Yeah, but it would have felt right, that weird tableau
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 21: at the end. They just do that.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: How long did they stand there?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: No, no, I kept going.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 32: It's so primitive about it.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 21: It's almost like there should be a ballet going on
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 21: around them.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: They just stand there.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: I wasn't sure what was going on. I was like,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: is the movie over now? No way, it's still going.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 28: They should do that cry thing again.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 32: I don't know.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: It could have ended there. with the car wreck. It
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: didn't even need, you know, it didn't even need that.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: That was just, it seemed like.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: Gone with the wind. It kind of made it more confusing, too,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: because at that point, you're like, all right, well, Mitchum's dead.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: And then later, they do that pullback, and then somebody's walking,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: and I was like, wait, now are they trying to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: bring him back? But then you realize, it's not something...
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: They might have wanted a sequel. It almost, yeah, it's almost, well,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: that's the thing. At first, I was like, are they
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: trying to pretend like he made it out of this now?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: So it almost makes it more confusing for a second,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: and then it gets more confusing because they just stand
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: there forever.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 21: But, I just thought it was tied into what he
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 21: wanted for his brother. It was so important to him.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 21: That his brother wouldn't live this life that he lived.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 21: And it's part of the evil fantasy is that it
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 21: has to end on some sort of renunciation of whatever
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 21: naughtiness they're into.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: Well, at the time, you couldn't have let the lawless person...
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: who was the Shine Runner, win. I don't think the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 7: girl was such a.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 32: Big issue in movies at that time.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 21: It's like, who.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 32: Gets the girl?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: I don't think.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 28: Like, Hollywood's crime doesn't pay you well.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I wonder if that was still factoring in.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: Well, and also, if.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 28: You change your ways, I don't know.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I don't know. Is he still considered
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: the bad guy? I mean, granted, he's breaking the law,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: but if this entire movie is shifted towards... Everybody on
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: the wrong side of the law is the good guys.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: How much does that make the gray area of what's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: right and wrong?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 7: I just, yeah, I think.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: But since it's sponsored by the government, they're probably not
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: going to want him to look good at the end.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: He had to die and he had to say, what
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I'm doing is wrong and I don't want my brother
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: doing it.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I think that's the only way. And they didn't get
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: into the mob. If they would have done that, it
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: would have, you know, all of that. Wouldn't have flown
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: at the time, I don't think.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: Probably not. As far as getting the movie made. Right.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: As a story, it could have gone either way. But, yeah,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: getting the movie out there might have changed that stuff.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 7: Was it well-received?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: At the time, I think it was, actually. And then
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: it's actually gotten more popular since then.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 16: It was.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: I think it did relatively well to begin with. But
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: then they were saying... it automatically got picked up as
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: time went on as your go-to hot rod kind of movie,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: and then it became the big performance for Mitchum, but
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: at the same time, they said, Thunderdome continued to generate
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: annual five- and six-figure ticket sales from drive-ins in the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 6: border and southern states for 25 years after its original release.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought was drive-ins.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: I thought it would be the perfect drive-in movie.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: And they said that's why they... prolonged putting it out
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: on videotape all the way into like the end of
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 6: the 80s because it was still making so much money
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 6: at drive-ins they didn't even want to give them the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: opportunity to watch it at home yeah which that's a
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: big factor yeah the.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 21: Driving thing is a big deal there's uh author uh
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 21: sharon macron her i think her most recent book is uh.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 11: St.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 32: Dale, about Dale Earnhardt.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 21: And it's just such a big deal to her audience
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 21: that she researched and became kind of an expert on NASCAR.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 21: That's all I know about it is from hearing some
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 21: talk she gave on researching the book. And it's... got
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 21: that kind of an audience that would keep a movie running.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: Like that yeah i mean they are dedicated i don't
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: get the nascar thing but again i know people that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: are into that world i don't quite understand it but.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Did talking about the cars did i don't know if
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: anyone paid attention or not because i'm not a car
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: guy but.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 7: It seemed like because his was a His.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 21: Car was a Ford, right?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 32: 1954, they say in the movie, but I read the wiki,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 32: and it was like a 51.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 21: They modified the grille.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 32: People who know these things.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: It's got like a 50 grille, but it's a 51 car.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and I do the same thing with
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Star Wars.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: Geeks are geeks, no matter what the genre. But the
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: Treasury guys had I think they had Chevys.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: Chevys.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 7: And all of the runners had Fords. I think.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: I think that is true.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: And I think it was, I mean, that's, that's.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: In a way, I was thinking it was all Ford,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: and I was wondering if that's where the money was
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: coming from. But they worked in Chevys.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: I think the mafia guy drove a Honda Odyssey.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: I thought it was a Gremlin. Wait a minute.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Right no i'm pretty i'm pretty sure all of the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: all of them had chevys and all.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: It could be a yeah good versus bad which again
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: that argument still goes on right in the uh in
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: the car parking lot we're dealing with now i'm sure
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: there are people arguing over which is better chevys and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: fords that argument will continually go on but what i
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: thought was cool again i don't get the nascar end
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: of it what i thought was cool and again is
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: more of the dorky end of it is like the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: fact that this was pre-James Bond, but they were rigging
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: these things with more gadgets. I mean, they'd had, oh,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: an oil slick. It had the detachable bumper was awesome. Like,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: I didn't even catch that at first. I was like, wait.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: I guess at that point, and maybe that's based in reality,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: I guess the law at the time had a big
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: hook that would come out and attach itself to the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: car so that it couldn't take off, and they had
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: gotten so smart about it, they made a latch that
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: would detach your bumper and you could take off and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: leave them.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: That was kind of genius.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Well, the tank that was in, but the fact that
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: he could dump it all with a button.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, dump out all these.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 21: It's funny how I noticed, because when you're watching a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 21: movie from that period, You know, back then they used
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 21: to do all these things to speed up the action.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 21: Like they'd have somebody dial a phone like, and they
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 21: dialed it. Or they'd have somebody smoke, like you'd see
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 21: Humphrey Bogart smoke a cigarette and go.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 32: And he's done.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 21: But it was odd because over some of those gadgets
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 21: and things, they would linger on how slowly, He let
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 21: the last little bit of alcohol out of that nozzle, and.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: They spent time.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 21: So there's kind of a fetish quality.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: Kind of. Again, because that was all pretty new at
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: that point, too. I mean, it's different now seeing tons
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: of weird spy movies that do this kind of stuff.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: But thinking about having never seen a car with an
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: oil slick built into the back of it, It's different
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: for me. I'm like, dude, it's like Spy Hunter.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 7: That's what I thought it would be.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's exactly what I thought. But in, you know, 1958,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: I had to blow some kid's mind that's sitting in
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: the theater like, whoa, you know, that you've never experienced
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: that before. That's kind of interesting to throw that out
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: there like one of the first times. I was waiting
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: for a smoke screen.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: If you could pull up into a back of a semi...
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 7: A big truck.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: Install a missile launcher.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: They were almost to that point. They were getting some
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: pretty creative things on there.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 28: I wanted, like, the rim spikes.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 32: Yeah, the rim spikes.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 7: Like some grease.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: That would happen. I think it would give them enough time.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 32: They were driving along side by side so they could, like.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: You know, in that scene, when he's driving side by side.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 7: Mitchum's still smoking, and he's, like, nonchalantly smoking.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 11: He's like.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: It just does, it takes a long draw and just
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: kind of looks around.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: And you know what.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 21: That reminded me of? Speaking of NASCAR, it's like in
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 21: the Ricky Bobby movie when Borat is like reading Camus
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 21: and drinking espresso.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 7: That's what it made me think of when I saw that.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 21: Because to me that was like one of the genius
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 21: moments in that movie.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: It was like, Was it The Stranger? I wasn't reading.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Oh, man.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: He was probably one of the better moments in that
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: movie as Sacha Baron Cohen.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 21: Well, I liked that movie because I thought there was
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 21: a lot of legitimate observation, especially parenting style. Because a
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 21: lot of people, you know, they wonder, you know, they
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 21: think kids are neglected and that's why they're turning out.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: The way they are.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 21: No, they're actually encouraged to be assholes by people who
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 21: believe in being assholes. And that movie captures that.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 32: You know, he's training them to be assholes.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: And that's true.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 21: That is what happens a lot of times.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: That's why there are so many assholes out there.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 32: That's the only movie I've ever seen that came out
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 32: and said it.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 21: It's like, yeah, people believe in being assholes and they
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 21: teach their kids to be assholes.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 7: You leave them alone.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: Those kids might be okay.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 21: They're not naturally assholes.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 22: You're Robin Doolin?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon I am.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: So I'm a treasury agent.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 14: Troy Barrett.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 12: I'll call the back-up tax division.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 21: I want to talk to you.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: I'd rather talk to a skunk.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 7: Oh, I wrote down a quote.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I liked that he said, used to be what a
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: man did on his own land was his business.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 7: But he said it.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: It almost had, like, innuendo qualities when he said it. Like,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: I'm throwing a softball up there. You all are going to.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: Don't worry what I'm doing with my livestock. You stay
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 6: on your own land.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: So it was an inside joke or something. Because he
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: might have even paused before he said it.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 10: It was.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: Either that, or it was his attempt at being philosophical.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: But I think there is an aspect of that in there,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 6: because the other thing that I wrote down, I mean,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 6: they do have that moment of They specifically say, basic
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: rights of free men. And they really, there is a level.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: That's the philosophy. It's a very specific thing that they're
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: like talking about, you know, people infringing upon, you know,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: what we can do, what we can. I mean, it
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 6: was sort of that moment, especially in 58. I guess
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 6: they're dealing with this on a lot of levels in
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: this country.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 21: But, I mean.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 12: Well, yeah, sure.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: There's still, I mean, you know, we think that's, you know,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: less than 100 years away from the Civil War.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: That's no time at all. There were still people, you know, that.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: Their parents or grandparents told them stories about it at
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: that time. You know, in the South, they're still holding
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: on to that. They're always going to hold on, especially
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: in those hollers down there in Appalachia. Stuff stays forever.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: And so if somebody now from the North again is
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: coming in and tell them they can't sell their chyme,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: this is a big problem or trying to muscle in
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: as the mafia another northerner coming in yeah.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: It's that's exactly what this movie's about.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: Or even like the the political stance at that point
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: you know of things going on around the world that
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: you know we're getting ourselves involved in at that point
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: so it's it's got a couple of different levels where
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: it seems like it brings that up but it's yeah
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 6: and they don't dwell on it they don't beat it
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: to death but I like that it specifically says that.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: It bothers to stop and make that statement of, I
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: don't know, that it's kind of going into a little
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: deeper area there, that you might just think it's, you know,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: yokels out in the field somewhere, but that it sort
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: of uses that as an example of more important things, almost.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean, and then you've got to think, these
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 12: are people, like we were saying earlier, that govern themselves
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 12: by their own specific law, like their own mountain law,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 12: and the way they probably felt is like, who will
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 12: Are these people that aren't a part of our town,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 12: aren't a part of our community, telling us what we
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 12: can and can't do?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 7: State's rights.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: They're still dealing with that at that time.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: It's too deep for a car movie.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Kind of.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: Maybe that, I don't know. I don't know if people
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: just sort of ignored that part because it seems like
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: the way that it was latched onto is not on
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: any of those levels. It's just the role in the
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: cars and, you know, screw the man.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 7: What I wouldn't know is in 40 years.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 21: There are a lot of people who latch onto it,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 21: but it's the kind of thing that people can latch
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 21: onto in the most amorphous ways to serve whatever purpose
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 21: they want, and they do, because it's not a philosophy that.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 32: Has to be coherent.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 21: It can be as drunk as it wants and doing
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 21: whatever it wants to on its own land. There's no
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 21: There's no coherence to it.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 32: And it's almost, it really doesn't have to be grown up.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 21: It's like a great teenage fantasy that you can just
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 21: do whatever you want in isolation from the rest of society.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: That's sort of what built this country. I mean, if
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: you think about it, the old world, you know, we
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: leave there because we want to do whatever we want.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: We'll get our own land and we'll do whatever we want.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: It sounds a lot like.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 32: What Nathaniel says in Last of the Mohicans.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 21: Not living by another man's leave. It's the same philosophical.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: Stance.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Again, are we going to, 50 years from now, be
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: debating the philosophy within Fast and Furious?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: Potentially.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: You never know.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 32: There's got to be something there.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 21: I was just saying about it, though, that it becomes
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 21: hypocritical when people really aren't off by themselves, and they
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 21: really are having a significant impact on lots of people
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 21: around them, and then they hold that up. It doesn't
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 21: have to be a coherent philosophy. That's what I meant
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 21: by that.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, when you govern yourself, you adjust the rules to
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: fit whatever the hell you need them to fit.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 21: Yeah, people can use that in all sorts of ways.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: And bastardize it in the wrong ways on occasion, so... But,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, again, I think you can do that. I mean, obviously,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 6: we've shown that on this show. We've dug way deeper
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: into much worse movies than this and sometimes come out
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 6: with themes and thoughts that I'm sure the filmmakers themselves
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: didn't even think of. But sometimes, in retrospect, you can
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: find things. Sometimes, as time goes on, maybe things they
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: didn't even know about at the time are kind of working.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: Maybe things come into play that you can see and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: sort of decipher as time goes on. So maybe there's
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 6: something a lot deeper going on in Fast and the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: Furious than we know or realize right now.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 12: We're a pretty deep group. If there's a hardening underlying message,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 12: we're going to find it.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: I follow the Bible. of Vin Diesel anyway.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: So that's it. I'm siding with the rock.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 21: I just haven't seen it.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 7: I've seen the original one. I don't remember which one.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 12: It came out when I was in high school, and
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 12: I remember going to see it with my boyfriend at
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 12: the time and his family.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 28: And, like, finishing watching it and thinking, like, was there
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 28: a plot to that at all?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: No, there was a lot of cars driving. I don't
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 6: remember if there was one.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 28: I mean, you know, I'm not a, I'm a relatively
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 28: observant person.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 12: But, you know, they had to explain the concept of
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 12: the movie to me. I'm just like, there was no plot.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 12: And they're like, yeah, there was. He was like a cop.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 12: And I'm like, when did they reveal that? Like, I just,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 12: I mean, it totally eluded me.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: You might just be asleep at that point.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: There is a plot to the first one, but the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: weasel does a pretty good job of.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 7: Tearing that plot apart.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: Well, like he does with most movies.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 32: I like that.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 21: I tend to have help now because my wife always
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 21: picks out the things that I would not notice or.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 32: Mean nothing to me.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 21: She'll ask random questions like, What.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 32: Kind of refrigerator is that?
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: And then it'll turn out to be some pivotal thing.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't have noticed.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 21: I guess I just, after all these years, I've given
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 21: over a part of my brain that's responsible for something.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 21: Because I know she'll keep track of that. But the
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 21: one thing was like when he said, I know what
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 21: a mogul is.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 7: We both looked at each other.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 21: It's like, okay.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 19: You got that?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 32: I got that?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: That's true coupledom right there. Once you've just assigned half
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: of the responsibility to somebody else, that's when you know
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: you're doing it right.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 21: Yeah, so I guess the test case is if we
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 21: sit down and watch The Fast and the Furious together,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 21: then she'll keep me on point about the plot.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: The complicated plot.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: I'm sure the kind of car that they're.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: Driving, I'm sure, has a.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 7: You know, as a major.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: Well, she would.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 21: Know that because I have no sense of types of cars.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 21: If I was, like, asked by a cop, what were
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 21: they driving?
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: I don't know. He's blue.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 7: Who knows that? Who knows?
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 21: It baffles me when people can do that. I have
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 21: no idea. Or dates and times I'm really bad on. So,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 21: you know, when we were watching this movie, my wife
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 21: was like, which.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: War is this? I was doing that, but for other reasons.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 24: Yeah.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 7: How old is this guy?
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 9: Is he in World War I?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we mentioned the wrong one.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 7: That sounds like 50s music.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: This doesn't seem right at all. All right. Well, I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: just have to say he had a lot of money.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'd kill for $ 4, 000 now, let alone in 1958.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: And how much did he give her towards the end there?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: Was it?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: 10 000 or was it more i think he said
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: 10 000 yeah so i left it on the table
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: yeah here you go see you later she goes to.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 7: The jukebox and turns around.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: There's 10 grand yeah and that's 1958 10 grand yeah.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 28: Which will buy you like a sprawling.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: Mansion like a state.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 34: That was like 200 grand now so yeah i mean
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 34: that's the thing where i at that point i'm like
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 34: okay this really is just like destined for bad.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: I mean it i mean there's no way that he
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: could not get out of this with that i mean
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: it'd be different if like they were barely getting by
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 6: i mean you look at their land it looks like
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: you know they're broke but he's carrying around this much
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: money who knows how much is buried in the backyard
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: as they mentioned earlier so i'm just like his.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 7: Mom working so hard at ironing when he had 10.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 9: Grand in his But she refused to use his dream.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: Again, I can understand her, but I'm just like, as
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 6: it gets worse and worse, and it gets to the
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 6: situation where, okay, now they're almost to the point of
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: shutting down everything in your entire county, and he's still,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's this portrait of a hard-headed man who's
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: just like, nope, still going to keep doing it. And
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: I'm like, what the hell? It'd be different if you
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: had to do this to live. But he had convinced
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: himself he had to do it because he had no
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: other options.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 21: Well, that's why I think it's like he's a vampire.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 32: It's like that's what he is.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: It's what he is.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 21: And I always think of the cab driver and taxi driver. When,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 21: you know, Travis Bickle is all worked up about some
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 21: amorphous thing about the world. And he's talking to the
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 21: other taxi drivers. And one of them says, well, the
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 21: way I look at it is you have a job.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 21: And that's what you do.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 32: In a way, that's what you are.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 21: And Travis is like, I don't know.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm just a taxi driver. I don't know what
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: you're talking about. That's just my philosophy.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 6: But it is kind of like that.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 21: And that comes up in a lot of movies and plays,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 21: this idea of just committed identity. And I have to say, personally,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 21: I don't relate to it at all.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: I would be.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 21: The guy who's like, I've got $ 10, 000.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 5: Screw it.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 13: I'm getting out of here.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 32: I know what a mobile is.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 7: I know what the world.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 21: Is like out there.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 10: I'm going.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 6: I'm going to go buy a mansion filled with mobiles.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Did they ever address why he had to finish that
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: last run?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: I kept sitting there the whole time going, why does
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: he have this one more or one more? Everything is
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 6: shut down on this end. Can't you just call these
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: people and be like, well, tough luck, they took it all. Well,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: there'd be no movie without that.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 32: In a way, it's a crude approximation of the tragic hero.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm thinking. It's almost got this operatic feel
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: to it, where it's like, I'm going to finish this
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: no matter what.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 28: Well, see, remember, he wasn't going to. They kind of
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 28: pulled him back in.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 12: He's still there.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: Hello, Colgan?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 9: Doolin.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 22: What's on your mind, Mr.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: Doolin?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 24: You, you're on my mind. You finally made the big
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 24: mistake tonight, Kogan. Niles Pennant was a mistake. Jethro Moultrie
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 24: and Williams, that was a mistake. That was a big mistake,
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 24: a bad mistake. But tonight you made the big mistake.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 24: You put your dirty, fat hands on my kid brother.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 24: I swore I'd kill anybody that tried to make him
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 24: a whiskey runner. I'm on my way into Memphis right now.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 24: And when I get there, you're gonna find out He.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 6: Still kind of was. They just, like, they stepped it
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: up a notch once they got his brother involved. And
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: then he showed off what a badass he is. And granted,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 6: he is a badass in this movie. But the fact
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: that not only is he going to go kill the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: guy who was messing with his brother, he calls him
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: first to tell him.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 7: He's getting $ 1.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 10: 25.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 7: Which, that's a lot of money.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 32: Yeah, and again, I noticed how slow the scene was.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 27: Mm-hmm.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 7: That's a lot of money.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 21: It's like they took their time. It's not like this,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 21: Jing Jing, hi. Which they did.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: In movies at that time. And I was even thinking,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: they dialed more numbers than they probably needed at that point.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, what was that?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: When they were making local calls, I was like, he
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: was dialing a whole lot of numbers. I was like,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: don't you need four back then?
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: And all he had to do was get to the
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: operator and tell him where he wanted it.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: But it was so deliberate.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 21: I forgot about that, but it's what made me think
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 21: of the phone dialing thing.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 32: It was so deliberate. They took so much time with it.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 7: And that reminds me of that idea of.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 21: The certainty of fate. There's some Kafka quote about no
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 21: matter how fast the rabbit runs, the dogs are playing
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 21: in the yard, but no matter how fast the rabbit runs.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 21: They will catch up. It's like it's a predetermined fate.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what it seems like. It does have
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: that horrific opera feel to it, where it's like, you
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: know where this is going. Especially in the first half,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: I don't think it was necessarily like that. It could
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: have had a cheesy Hollywood happy ending. But by the time, like,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 6: the brother gets involved at the end there, you're like, no,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 6: there's no coming.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 11: Back from this.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 21: Yeah, then there's about as much suspense as in Toontz's
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 21: The Cat. You know where it's going.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: Man, they should have worked him into this.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 26: My friend that I saw, who should actually be here
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 26: more than I am, he was the one making all
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 26: the estate observations, but he said, he was like, I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 26: think the only real... The question here is if Mitchum
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 26: is actually going to be able to write himself out
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 26: of this movie.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 7: And it's so ego-driven.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 26: The only mystery is whether he can in fact bring
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 26: himself to kill himself.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 12: That's why the movie ended almost immediately.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: I'm done now.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 6: Roll the credits.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 12: They probably had to pull teeth to get him to
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 12: end the movie with Roxanne and his brother.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 32: There's probably a lost reel.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: Probably where he walks out of the fire and beats
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: the hell out of the cops they were like cgi
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: in the brother's face right yeah maybe that's not what
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: happened in 1958 but but yeah i think it definitely
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 6: has that like you know that doom at that point
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: where he really he's a man with a death wish
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: at that point and people are like Don't go. And
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: she's badly crying. And do you want to make fun
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: of her for a second?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 11: Oh, I got her crying.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 28: It was so terrible.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 7: It was not crying.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: I just like how she throws her hands to her head.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: It's like this was like day one in acting school. Okay,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: now I'm out.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 7: And she just does this.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: Horrible crying.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: Is this the scene with the wife?
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: I love that scene because.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 26: There's like a weird subtext going on in that scene
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 26: where like the wife seems to think.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: That maybe she's having an affair with her husband.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 28: And that's why she's there.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: And was okay with it?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 28: Are you pregnant or something?
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 12: Like, I don't know.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 28: Understand what your beef.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: Is like right here that was well and she was
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: being so friendly to her I was like in a
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: minute is she going to offer to make out with
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: her like it was almost like a sexual text.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 12: To it maybe she runs a back alley abortion clinic
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 12: I don't know the poor young girl.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 28: With her husband not pregnant what did I just hear.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a lot of weird stuff in that
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: scene that, like, I don't know where it came from
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: or what it was doing there.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 26: Maybe, like, the actress decided she was just going to
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 26: really go, like, that's her scene.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: I'm going to create a backstory.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: How weird is it to just show up at a
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: cop's house?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 12: I just, I didn't realize, I don't know what the
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 12: point of that scene was at all other than, you know,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 12: for her to be like, he's going to die and
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 12: kind of set the tone.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: She was also, like, betraying him. Him and her entire town.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 7: Is this like a Shakespearean play? You've got the tragic hero.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: That is the stabbing in the back.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: But at the same time, I don't even know what
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: good it was doing. She was doing it almost for
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: the sake of doing it. What good is it going
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: to do you to save his life if he's in prison?
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: You can't be with him still. You love him so
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: much that you still don't want to be with him.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: There was no good that was going to come out
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: of that situation. The best, I guess, is he would
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: be in jail for most of the rest of his life.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: Since he was only 25. And fresh out of the.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 21: Fresh.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: Out of the.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 28: That was a strange scene.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 12: The way I feel about that scene, like you said,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 12: it was a very important scene, but it just didn't
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 12: have that weight.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: I don't even know if it was important.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 11: It was just hot.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 12: It was, like you said, because it was where she
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 12: betrayed him.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 28: But it just didn't have that feel or that weight.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: Mostly due to her.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 32: It was just kind of wrong, and so I tended
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 32: to ignore it.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 32: I kind of just like, huh.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: You got to shake it off.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 21: And you just move on.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 9: It's like.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 6: It's a weird.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: I was too distracted by her inability to cry.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 11: I think that's what it was.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 26: Well, just in, like, narrative problem solving, like, she couldn't
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 26: tell the cop directly because then, like, it wouldn't work out.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 9: Like, she couldn't... They couldn't have all that exposition and
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 9: then have.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 11: The scene and then.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: Because he'd just be racing out the door, so they had.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 10: To have this.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 21: They were trying to answer, well, people might be thinking this.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 21: People might.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 32: So they're trying to, like, tie up ends.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: Set it all up.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 10: I guess.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 21: It was clumsy.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: It's an odd scene.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean, at that point, I mean, he
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: is he's he's hardheaded. He has this death wish to
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: the point that I don't even know. I mean, I
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: guess the only way to look at it from like
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: his point of view is because I mean, everything else
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: is just like you see it from the story standpoint
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: of there's no good going to come out of this.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: This is going to end badly. So I think the
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: only thing I was thinking for him was that he's.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: he's got this like uh that weird thing he keeps
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: talking about about the past that like he just he
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: can't that that notion of you can't go home again
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 6: you know once he came back from the war he
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: he couldn't be the man he used to be he
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: couldn't be that innocent kid he couldn't just live in
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: the town anymore he seems torn he can't i don't
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: understand why he can't just go to the city and
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: stay with her he seems so like tied to this
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 6: job brother it's about the brother I guess.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: He has to keep him from doing the family business.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: And if he dies doing it and gets rid of the.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 7: Money, you know, it cleans that up. It cleans that up.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: But, yeah, I mean, I guess the only, like, character
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: arc you can take from that is that he gets
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: to that point of, I can't ever go back to
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: what I love, so I give up. You know, I'm
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: going to keep doing this until it kills me because
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: I have no other options.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 21: Well, that is an interesting character problem. You know, like
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 21: Eliza Doolittle. Like, once she learns how she can't go back.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 32: You can't go back once you get, like, edumacated to
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 32: a certain extent.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 7: Once you know what a mobile is.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: Once you know what a mobile is.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 21: Yeah, you just can't be who you used to be.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 21: And it's weird because, I don't know, in terms of
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 21: what happened to.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 32: Appalachia, it kind of just wasn't even there.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 21: Anymore, really, for people to go back to. And a
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 21: lot of people did, you know. go off to war
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 21: and come back and there's this feeling of you can't go.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 6: Home but I mean it really wasn't it's I guess
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: it's ahead of its time I mean they did nothing
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: but make movies about that for Vietnam but you don't
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 6: see that many for Korea you know it's like it
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 6: just didn't I think we weren't at that point as
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 6: a country to deal with that. Everything was still that
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 6: World War II, well, tough luck, back to the job.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: You just kind of dealt with it. You didn't have
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: time to cry about it. You went back and took
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 6: care of your family.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 21: People from World War II are sort of ignored in
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 21: that respect. Like J.D. Salinger, people don't really think of
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 21: him as a war rider, but he was really marked
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 21: and messed up by the war.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 6: Then you can see it.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 21: It's kind of like the way people read they catch
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 21: her in their eye and they think it's just this
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 21: whiny kid. And it's like, oh yeah, his little brother died.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 21: They just completely ignore that. But that was what messed
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 21: him up in the book. And I kind of think
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 21: that's parallel to like Salinger. He was really, you know,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 21: he was in the war and he was messed up.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 21: But Hemingway is a war writer and Salinger is not
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 21: looked at that way.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 7: But you know, everybody at that time was deeply affected
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 7: by the war.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Every man had come back from the war. So there
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't this, oh, we need to take care.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 7: Of you, because they all needed that taken care of.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: There was no male that wasn't affected by it.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 7: So if you're a war writer, at least you weren't
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 7: carrying the gun. You know what I'm saying? So we
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 7: don't care.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 12: And there wasn't that level of coddling back then that
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 12: there is now. Now.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 12: People are like, oh, you need to be sensitive to veterans.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 12: You know, it's just like that's what makes you a man.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: At that era, yeah.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 28: That's just the way it is.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 6: It was more pride.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: You go back and you take care of your family.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 6: You go back and you run the farm. You go
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 6: back and whatever. You just come back and be a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: man and take care of business. But it wasn't until, yeah,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 6: like the hippie age of the 70s when we were like, whoa,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: how did it mess you up? And we started to
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: come to terms with that. Not that it's not legitimate.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, you see now there are still tons of
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 6: people that are, ruined by war. It's real, but it's
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 6: just something as a society we didn't deal with in
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 6: the 50s and wouldn't until the 70s.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 21: Also, there's that whole thing about losing. There's that, too.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 21: They won World War II.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: We were the.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 7: Super after World War II. We were it. There was
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: nobody left. We were clean.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: We were relatively unscathed other than the men who came back.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 7: We were ready to start and just boom. And we
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: did boom.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: And everyone else just slowly came, you know, Europe was ravaged.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: They couldn't recover for years. And then we get the
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: slap in the face of Korea. We thought we were Superman.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: And that's where Superman really takes hold is that time
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: period too because we really thought we were.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 10: Muscles.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: And then we get a slap in the face and
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: we're like, oh, shit.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 7: You know, we only get Spider-Man.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: A lot of those stem out of that. I mean,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 6: that's what the first run of those was like, you know,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: in World War II, where we started creating these heroes
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 6: to sort of symbolize what it was we were supposed
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 6: to be. So, I mean, you start to see, and
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 6: it does differ, it does change as the years go
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: on as to what kind of heroes we create. Is
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 6: it like a reflection of what our country is, what
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 6: we as a people are? Yeah, it definitely adjusts as
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: time goes on.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 21: And this hero is kind of like the old, you know,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 21: gangster heroes.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 21: Pretty boy Floyd who left the $ 100 bill under the plate,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 21: you know, leaves the money on the table.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: He kind of is. He's a high roller, you know.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: It's like he rolls into town, he messes up his car,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 6: he throws down money and fixes it, drives out in
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: a new, you know, fixed up car again. The girl's
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 6: waiting for him at the other end. The girl's waiting
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 6: for him back at home. He definitely had that lifestyle of,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: if he wanted to, he didn't really glamorize it at all,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 6: but he was living that to some extent.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 21: Yeah, he couldn't be flashy because that would ruin the image.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 7: I didn't have much sympathy for him as a result, either.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 6: He didn't really ask for it, either.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: He didn't ask for it.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: But he wanted to have something to identify with the
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: main character as a victim somewhat.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 7: And he's not. He's got money.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 6: He's got clout.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 7: He's got women. And he could have done things differently.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 6: He could have walked away. He could have walked away.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 7: So that is a tragic.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 21: Well, I think it's trying to be tragic, but.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 6: I think it's more trying to teach a lesson in
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 6: the end more than be a tragic hero. In the end,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: it's trying to.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 21: It's more of a morality play than like, you know,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 21: I don't know, like Oedipus saying, I'm going to find
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 21: whoever angered.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, whoops.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 6: You know especially since you see at the end the
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 6: big thank you to the government i think it really
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: is kind of that let's show the dark side of
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: doing these underhanded deeds and you know all this this
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: lifestyle that's going on that in the end everybody on
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: the wrong like we said with the the haze code
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: kind of thing everybody on the wrong end you know
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 6: the gangster is going to go to jail the guy
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 6: running moonshine's dead now so the only one that comes
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 6: out you know is the kid's going to go have
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: a you know get married and have a wonderful life
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: and that's what you should do and It does sort
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: of sell that by the end of this lesson learned.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: Here's what you should be doing with your life. It
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: does take a very conventional and conservative take on that by.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 21: The end of it.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 28: And I mean, can we talk about that end?
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 12: Go for it like okay they set the spikes down
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 12: they pour gasoline on them He runs his car over
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 12: it at, like, I don't know, I don't remember what
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 12: the speedometer said, but it's climbing up. And why did
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 12: the speedometer go up to, like, 250? Like, what car
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 12: goes up to that?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 32: I think you said that it could go to 130-something.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but it went to, like, 200 or something ridiculous
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 12: like that.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 28: It's a souped-up car.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: I don't know why they do that when my car
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: goes up.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah. It's like, maybe.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I always think that's odd on, especially normal cars.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: It's different with, like, you know, you're souping up a
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 6: hot rod. But, like, even traditional cars, it's going up to, what,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 6: 120 or something. I'm like, what's the speed limit? Are
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: we encouraging people to drive that much faster than what's legal?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: It always seemed odd to me.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 28: But then it's like, okay.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 12: He's doing 100-something, whatever, runs over the spikes with the gasoline.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 24: Yeah.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 12: Like car flips over into like an electrical generator.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 7: Of some sort.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 12: And it just kind of like, you expect like explosions
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 12: and like.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 28: This horrible scene.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 12: And it just kind of like, he could have lived
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 12: through that.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 6: That's why I wasn't sure at the end. It was like,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: it didn't explode or anything. He just wrecked. So granted,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: he probably wasn't wearing a seatbelt because they didn't encourage
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: that back then. But I mean, in any other person,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: in any other situation, It's a 50-50 shot. You might
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: have walked away from that, or at least lived from it.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 28: I was really geared up for this horrific death scene.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 28: I mean, like.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 6: Maybe because all the other ones were, like, almost better. Like,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 6: you know, that role at the very beginning is a
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 6: really good, like, when Marie rolls and, like, turns around
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: and leaves them. I'm like, that was an amazing role,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: even though it's sort of edited together. But still, just
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 6: that role... That roll on its own is pretty awesome.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 6: And then, like, they're blowing up cars in the middle
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: there at the gas station. I mean, that was a
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: good stunt for 58. It's like... One car rolls into
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: the creek. Yeah, it's like the fact that they didn't
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: kill anybody in any of these stunts is probably impressive
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: in its own. They may have. They just didn't talk
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: about it back then. But still, I mean, it's like
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: all of those stunts are really impressive. And this one, eh,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 6: flips over and hits a power grid or whatever.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 10: Yeah, nice.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: It is kind of anticlimactic.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: But he couldn't, like she said, couldn't bring himself to
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 7: kill himself.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: I'm too awesome.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 21: That's where the lost reel comes in. And so then
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 21: they took the two sort of helpless actors and staged
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 21: like Barbie dolls.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: You could have.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 21: Played that scene with Ken and Barbie. They stand there
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 21: for a while with that sort of odd posture.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 6: They both had the personality of Ken and Barbie.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 32: Then you turn their hands to march them off. But
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 32: I thought it was kind of effective.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 21: In a strange way.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 32: I still want to see that Barbie movie sometime.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 21: Because sometimes I think primitive things like that can have
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 21: a crude power.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 12: So I was so confused by the end. It's just like.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 12: is she going to be really upset because he's dead
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 12: and start crying? Or is it just kind of like, Oh,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 12: well now you have to settle for a number two.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 6: You're still around. Um, all right.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 28: You know, it's like, how is that a happy ending?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 28: She has to settle.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 21: There's a lot of truth in that.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: Kind of. I mean, that is how a lot, especially
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: back then. I mean, there was a lot of, now
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 6: everyone gets to pick and choose a little more and
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 6: especially women have more of a role in it. But
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: then it was just like.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Well, who's here?
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 6: That guy went off to war. That guy already got married.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: This is what I was saying earlier. Who's here?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 6: I was thinking that as I went into it. Sometimes
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: it's just convenience.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 7: Why do you think they call it settling down?
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 6: Settling, the key phrase there.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 7: You're just giving in to what's available. Well, but it
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: can work the.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 32: Other way, too.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 21: Because I found, like, with Len, her family had hated
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 21: her previous boyfriend so much that I was just in.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: Once again, you're just there. And we don't hate you.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: It's not that other guy.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 6: You're a little more attractive than Ed Asner. Alright, we'll
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: take you.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: Hell, Schwarzenegger, man.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 11: I won't tell.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: As long as he pays you. So, I don't know.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 6: I think it works in its own way. It's definitely
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 6: an interesting movie to look at on a lot of
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 6: different perspectives. But I can see why it was latched
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 6: onto by the car crowd. It definitely has that. It's
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 6: got a lot of other things going on as well.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: So, I don't know.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 6: Any final thoughts on this one?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 21: I think the character, in a way, is not like
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 21: a real guy, but he's a spirit that lives on.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 21: Like the spirit of, you know, the gangsters. Or, I
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 21: don't know, there were union guys like that that they
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 21: had songs about.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 32: And the song is to remember this. And I don't know.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 21: The South has... amazing tenacity to hold on to things
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 21: even when they make no earthly sense you know there's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 21: this whole grand aristocracy this tradition that goes back curiously
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 21: longer than the country has been here there's somehow like
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 21: an old european tradition in the south that goes back
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 21: Before anybody was here at all.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 32: It goes so far back, and I don't know how
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 32: much there is to it, really.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 21: There's some biscuit recipes, but I don't know how much
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 21: real culture and tradition is behind it. But they modeled
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 21: the mythology off of, you know, like the Russian aristocracy.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 35: You know, the idea of it, and they had people
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 35: doctoring up like old, you know, because they had new money.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 21: And they wanted to have, like, ancestors, and they made
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 21: stuff up because they wanted it, they were imitating the
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 21: culture of old Europe. And they wanted, because, you know,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 21: for a long time, culture came from Europe. There's still people, like,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 21: in Louisville today who just, you know, they decorate their
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 21: houses like they get the idea of what aristocrats should
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 21: be like from watching Beauty and the Beast or something.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: Why do you think there's a Versailles, Kentucky?
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 32: Yeah.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 6: No, really, why is there? That's a real question.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 21: Yeah, and, you know, then there's, like, the decor and
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 21: the pretense to being a kind of old-world aristocrat that
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 21: just never really existed here. There just never was. But
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 21: there's a desire to be that.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: And I also see the.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: This character. I mean, like you said, it is more
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: of an ideal. It is almost more of like idealizing everything.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 6: You know, he is almost like glamorized. Like his life
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: wasn't glamorized, but the death sort of elevates it to that.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: And he, it is kind of like the gangsters or
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: like cowboys in a Western. It's like, They go out
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 6: in a blaze of glory, and that makes them cool forever.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 12: To me, this played out like a gunfighter ballad of
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 12: some sort. Like Billy the Kid, or like I said earlier,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 12: Bonnie and Clyde. Something like that, where it can only
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 12: end tragically, and that's what makes it such a good story.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 32: It's written toward that.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 21: It's almost like it's written from the point of view
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 21: of remembering things.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: The song wouldn't have stuck if he had.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 7: Lived he can't be a legend if the hero doesn't.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 6: Die so yeah I think on that level it does
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 6: what it's supposed to do it kind of works especially
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 6: for Robert Mitchum it is one of his most memorable
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 6: roles as they say I still need to go back
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 6: and find more of his and try to decide how
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: definitive it really is but it certainly is like ultimate
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: cool Mitchum I mean he's a badass at every turn
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 6: there's never a time where he isn't lighting a cigarette
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: looking cool looking bored while driving 120 I mean he's
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: just he's cooler than everybody else without even trying and
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: I think that is what sold this movie and he
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: knew that because he made up this whole thing and
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 6: he kind of realized how cool he was so I
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 6: think again that's part of who he was was sort
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: of you know selling that from day one it's not
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 6: like he ever played anything less than that in most
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: other roles. It's like he kind of always played that role,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: and as time went on, knew that that was his
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 6: role to play.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 32: Yeah, he did seem to know how he came off,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 32: and he used it.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: I think so. All right, I guess that wraps this up.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: All right. All right, that is it for Thunder Road,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: so we will take a break and head back out
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: to the car show.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 25: The night was young, And so were we beneath the
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 25: old magnolia tree.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 21: And when you say.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 25: I love you so, well, thanks.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 9: Be to you.
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  Speaker 1: It's part of your problem you know you haven't seen
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: enough movies all of life's riddles are answered in the
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: movies and now on with the show.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 36: Magnolia tree And as you said I love you so
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 36: The whippoorwill Sang sweet and low The moon was low
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 36: Our hearts were high.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 9: You said, I will until I die.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 6: So otherwise, yeah, thank you, Daddy, for hanging out with
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: us here today and putting on a good set. And
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 6: assuming the sound came out okay, we're actually, as sort
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 6: of a bonus track on this episode, we're going to
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 6: round it out with your entire live set. If not,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 6: I'll just throw some stuff off the album on there
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 6: and then tell people to go download and donate some
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: money to you. Either way.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 11: That would be nice. I don't know. I definitely don't
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 11: operate like most rock star bands do. At this point,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 11: I've even kind of trimmed down the amount of bars
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 11: that I play. I make sure if I'm playing a
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 11: commercial venue that they're paying me. But I don't like
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 11: playing them. They're no fun. Houses, houses, street shows. I'm
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 11: actually getting ready to go on tour on a motorcycle,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 11: much like a lot of these motorcycles here.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 6: It's pretty sketchy looking.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 11: And I'll be out on that, you know. You may
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 11: hear back from me. You may not.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: Or see something on the news.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 11: Or see something on the news.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 6: Something horrendous happened to this guy on a motorcycle out in.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 11: The middle of nowhere. But a lot of street shows,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 11: a lot more fun.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 6: Cool yeah hopefully yeah things turn around a little bit
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 6: from the these scary situations that you've uh fallen into in.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: The last year so we'll see how that goes yeah
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: or you.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 11: Know get more fun hopefully the fun will just increase
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 11: from from where i've been well we'll continue to increase.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 6: We'll balance it out here well i thought it was
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 6: important to tie in the mitchum song so we'll go
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 6: out here with the ballad of thunder road but Stick around,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 6: because we'll come back with some Eddie in one form
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 6: or another.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: So, once again, that is The Empires. TheEmpires.com. Don't double
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: the E. Otherwise, yes, once again, thanks to Scott for
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: letting us come hang out at.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 6: Petersville this year, and we will round it out with
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 6: some Mitchum here.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 25: Let me tell the story I can tell it all
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 25: About the mountain boy who ran a league of alcohol
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 25: His daddy made the whiskey Sometimes into Asheville, sometimes Memphis town.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 25: The revenue has chased him, but they couldn't run him down.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 25: Each time they thought they had his engine would explode.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 25: He'd go by like they were standing still on Thunder Road.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 9: And there was thunder, thunder all over Thunder Road.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 25: Thunder was his engine and white lightning was his load.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 9: And there was moonshine, moonshine, crash, the devil's thirst.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 5: The law they.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 25: Swore they'd get him, but the devil got him first.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 25: On the 1st of April, 1954, a federal man sent
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 25: word he'd better make his run no more. He said
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 25: 200 agents were covering the state. Whichever road he tried
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 25: to take, they'd get him sure as fate. Son, his
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 25: daddy told him, make this run your last. Your tank
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 25: is filled with hundred proof. You're all tuned up and gassed.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 25: Now don't take any chances. If you can't get through,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 25: I'd rather have you back again than pull that mountain dew.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 25: And there was thunder, thunder over Thunder Road. Thunder was
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 25: his engine and white lightning was his load. And there
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 25: was moonshine, moonshine that quashed the devil's thirst.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 9: The law they swore.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 25: They'd get him, but the devil got him first. Roaring
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 25: out of Harlan, revving up his mill, he shot the
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 25: gap at Cumberland and screamed by Maynardville. With T-Man on
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 25: his taillight, roadblocks up ahead, the mountain boy took roads
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 25: that even angels feared to tread. Blazing right through Knoxville,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 25: out on Kingston Pike, then right outside of Bearden, there
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 25: they made the fatal strike. He left the road at night,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 25: that's all there is to say. The devil got the
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 25: moonshine and the mountain boy that day.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 14: And there was thunder, thunder over Thunder Road.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 25: Thunder was his engine and white lightning was his load.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 9: And there was moonshine, moonshine crashed the devil's thirst.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 25: But law they never got him, cause the devil got
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 25: him first. Law they never got him, cause the devil
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 25: got him.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: Thunder, thunder, thunder, oh.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 37: I have a feeling I'm going to get really sweaty
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 37: here in two seconds.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 9: We're the Empires. We're from Bloomington, Indiana.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 37: And this is like my tenth year playing Beatersville.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 7: Rain, rain, rain.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 17: Woo!
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 14: Well, I'm gone completely insane, my rain Well, I'm gonna
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 14: go completely insane, my rain Well, I'm gonna go completely insane.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 9: My rain Well, I'm gonna go completely insane, my rain Yeah,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 9: let's get it, man.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 13: Come on.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 14: I gotta say I'm so bored of what to do
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 14: Can't see the rainbow better than you Can't.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 9: Touch the lantern, it's just so plain.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 14: Flippin', cloppin' My poor heart's a-burning for you.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, for you. Yeah, no rain, no rain. I'm gonna
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 9: do this, ain't no rain, no rain. Yeah, no rain,
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 9: no rain.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna do this, ain't no rain, no rain.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 9: Oh, that's love, it's true. Okay, this is called 50 Faces.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 9: We'll feel human nasty, we'll blow.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 14: Their soul, their friends and their mothers.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 9: We'll feel human nasty, nasty, we'll smooch.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 13: The air, the garbage, the rats.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 10: Yeah!
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 9: We've been so suspected, but we'll just let it ride.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 14: Everybody that saw him went to sleep. Well, he was
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 14: breezy and dirty, a gentleman.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 9: With a birdie. Yes, I said he's best when you
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 9: can claim him.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 14: He's best when you can clean.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 9: With bad rats, bad rats, America is the best. With
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 9: bad rats, bad rats, America is the best.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 10: Woo!
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 17: Oh, I knew it was going to get sweaty up here.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 17: I'm just feeling.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 9: Sexier than ever.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 17: Once again, we are the Empires. We've got a brand
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 17: new album out. It's called Strike Back.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 9: And it just sold out.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 10: Ha!
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: Suckers.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 9: Alright, this is called Down With Luck. You have no idea.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 17: Well, I'm down for love just as down as you
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 17: can be With my head.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 9: Hung with love within a weeping.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 14: Willow tree There ain't nobody, nobody around But I'm about
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 14: to bite it from the head to the ground Every
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 14: time I see dogs wobbling about I sit right down
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 14: and I'll be right back When my baby left, she
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 14: didn't say bye-bye.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 9: I said, you gotta be real proud.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 21: Well, well, well.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 9: Well, well, well. Well, well, well.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 10: Well, well, well.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 37: I've been sitting here crying for the past.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 10: Couple of years.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 9: I got tears in my.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 37: Beard and tears in my ears.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 9: I'm laying on my back, crying all night over you.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 9: When the wind.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 14: In that tree comes rumbling by, I sit right there.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 9: And I wonder why.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 14: When my baby left, she didn't say bye-bye. I sit
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 14: right there and cry all the way, way, way. All right, let's.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 9: Take a crowd dance, come.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 12: On.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 14: When that train comes a-rollin' by, I'll sit right down
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 14: at the end of the line.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 9: When my baby lets you get to say bye-bye, I'll
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 9: sit right.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 13: There and cry.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 14: When that train comes a-rollin' by, I'll sit right down
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 14: at the end of the line.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 17: When my baby lets you get to say bye-bye, I'll
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 17: sit right there and cry.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 9: Alright, that song was just boring. Let's do some fun shit, come.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 10: On.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 9: Listen here, it's called Life of Crime, it's about.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 17: Skateboarding, putting straight bang on things, and generally goofing around.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 12: Woo!
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 14: When it blows up by no sign of my way
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 14: to feel the good of it Lookin' around.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 13: What have you got of life?
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 9: Who's gonna stop me? This phone is yours, you put
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 9: my balls.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 14: Right there Do or die, put it here or I'll
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 14: knock you to the spot I'm staring, staring at you
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 14: every time I wanna get right back to the life
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 14: you find Hey!
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 10: So, uh.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 9: I crashed the tour bus last night. My drum tech died.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 9: My guitar tech died.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 17: My personal sound man died.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 10: Um.
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 21: I, uh.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 9: Well, my bassist died a long time ago.
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 37: And that's fine. That's just fine. I was getting tired
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 37: of his mouth thing.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 9: This is an old tune. This is called Bloodshot Eyes.
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 7: I hope you like it.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 9: I hope you know it. I expect every single one
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 9: of you to sing along with me on it.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 21: Right?
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: I hear ya!
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 9: I was trying to give you a little boost there.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 9: They think that you're free. They think you're mindless.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 13: They tell you.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 9: That you love me. Then you roll your big brown eyes. Well,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 9: when I saw you last.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 13: Week, your eyes were turning black. Well, finally got a beat.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 14: Your past can't take you back. Don't let those bloodshot
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 14: eyes on me.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 9: I can tell that you've been out on the street.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 14: Well, it's plain natural, I know, when you say it's true,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 14: they're crying.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 9: Oh, but shut eyes on me. Yeah, I used to.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 14: Spend my money to make you look so sweet. Yeah,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 14: I wanted to be proud of you when we walked
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 14: down the street.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 13: But I'm not so dressed up, it's not an old city.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 9: Well, my eyes look like cherries in a glass of buttermilk. Oh,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 9: let's get rocked!
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 14: When it seems like you're a mess, you're a fuss
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 14: and a guy. When you storm the circus, you make
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 14: the people cry.
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 9: Your eyes look like.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 14: No man's eyes, yet it's for your bread. You better shut.
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 9: Your peepers before you bleed to death.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 14: And all those fleshed out eyes of evil, black and tan, never.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 9: Achieving out on the screen. There's a plane that's run by,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 9: and they say she's been crying. All those fleshed out
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 9: eyes of evil.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 10: Woo!
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 17: Alright, this next one is dedicated to all the beautiful women.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 9: Let me tell you something, Louisville. You got some of
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 9: the prettiest. And the craziest.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 37: I just happen to think I'm a pretty good match
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 37: for him.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 9: This is called I'm Crazy. I'm not, actually.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 37: I don't know what you guys are thinking.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 6: I'm not.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 9: Well, there ain't enough girls in this town.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 14: Come and date my brother I'll never run my.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 9: Eyes off But you see them They're all couples around.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 13: So I'll know you'll.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 14: Get When I'm crazy I'm crazy about you And you,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 14: and you, and.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 9: You When my preacher doesn't tell me To take a spouse.
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 14: The way that you've been acting Well it ain't so
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 14: nice I'm gonna keep it right on But you see
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 14: them As long as I can say It's gonna be
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 14: it When I'm crazy.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 9: I'm crazy about you and you and you. I like the.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 13: Way you wiggle when you walk.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 14: I like the way you giggle when you talk. It's
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 14: all the little things.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 9: That you do that make me want to cuddle up
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 9: to you.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 14: Well, I ain't had a girlfriend yet to begin I
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 14: broke a few hearts and I shed a few tears
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 14: I guess I.
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 9: Ain't been slapped in a time With.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 14: A great desperation in my mind And.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 9: I'm crazy I'm crazy about you And you, and you,
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 9: and you And I'm crazy Crazy Crazy Crazy I'm crazy about. Oh,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 9: we went on out on Friday night. Why, you were
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 9: late today.
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 14: And I made a stroke down from the other.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 10: Side of town.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 9: Oh, 45 in my hand.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 14: Oh, slow it down. Oh, slow it down. A little
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 14: horror for the brain of the town.
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 9: We'll see a fast move. Take my knees apart. Gonna
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 9: meet you there. Slow down.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 10: Slow down.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 13: Now we're wearing all the lugs.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 14: That we need to save up before we can make
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 14: some noise. It's part of the whole thing, man.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 9: A party just wants a man to cuss it. Now
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 9: you're the first.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 10: Shut it down, boy.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 13: Let's shut it down, boys. Shut it down. Let's make
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 13: a big wave and all parts agree.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 10: We'll see it loud.
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 9: You can say, you better ease it back. Don't need
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 9: to make a shut down.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 10: Shut it down.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah!
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I found me Judy. Oh, Judy, Judy.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 14: I saw her take her out on the town. Well,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 14: I'll come up to you, so you can find out
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 14: your love. Won't get hurt if.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 9: You don't hang around. Well, move along, move along. I
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 9: don't like to face you, I don't.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 10: Like to say.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 9: As you see, I agree.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 14: I better move along, gotta keep on the way.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 9: Move along, move along, move along.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 10: What's up, everybody?
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 9: How about Jay Lowe's and the Pit End Boys? They
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 9: got CDs and shit for sale.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 37: You could really help them out by buying one of
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 37: those CDs to help them get back home.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 11: They're gonna be camping out tonight if, you know, if
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 11: they don't get the gas money together.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 9: That's alright, I am too.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 12: So.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 37: Does an amazing job on this show.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 9: An amazing job.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 10: What?
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 9: They're trying to tell me something back there. They don't
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 9: have microphones. Can we get them some microphones? Okay, cool.
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 14: I like to do this.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 37: I was trying to see how uncomfortable I could make
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 37: myself and every single one of you.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 9: You guys are working yet?
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 10: Cool.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 9: Alright, that's fucking rock and roll, man. I'm sorry, kids. Kids,
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 9: hide your ears. This is an old Bill Monroe tune.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 9: It's called Blue Moon in Kentucky. It's one I like
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 9: to play when I come down here.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 37: Because it reminds me that I'm in Kentucky.
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 18: Well, blue moon, I can't tell you what you keep
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 18: on shining. Shining on the one that's gonna left me blue. Well,
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 18: blue moon, I can't tell which people shine.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 7: Shine on the birds, gonna prove them true.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 14: Well, it was all through the night that the stars
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 14: shined so hot.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 9: Little little hearts that I love in the end of
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 9: the night.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 14: Say, blue moon, I can't tell which people shine.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 9: Shine on the birds, gonna prove them true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 13: Hey blue moon, I.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 9: Can tell you'll see the moon shine Shine.
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 14: On through the mist on the blue moon Hey blue moon,
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 14: I can tell you'll see the moon shine Shine on
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 14: through the mist on the blue moon soon If you're
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 14: looking for something to make love with, let me start
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 14: shining bright Let out a pass, let out a run, let.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 9: Out a dash Every moon I can tell you what.
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 14: You're gonna shine Shine on through the days.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 9: You've been running.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 18: Through Every moon, every moon, every moon I'll shine so
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 18: bright Cause every.
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 9: Moon I can tell you.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 14: What you're gonna shine bright Every moon I can tell
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 14: you what you're gonna shine bright Every moon, cause ain't
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 14: no square dance, ain't no square dance And I'll be
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 14: your last chance to kill chickens Well, get up now,
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 14: let me see you shake it Well, I wake up,
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 14: I've got.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 10: To think about what's going on You say, well, you've.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 9: Been sitting still for way, way too long But I've
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 9: got a chance, let me see you shake it I've
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 9: got pictures of the beverage in the water, too.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 14: There's stars moving around and popping.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 10: Up in the trees.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 14: Get out here and I'll see you soon, kid.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 13: We'll sing a sweet dance, sing.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 14: A sweet dance, and I'll be your last.
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 9: Chance to get a shake of this. Well, get up now,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 9: let me see you shake it. Well, get up now,
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 9: let me see you shake it. Get up now.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 16: Let me see you shake it. Man, I hate having
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 16: to tune my own guitar.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 9: I wish I hadn't killed all those fellows last night.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 9: I'm kind of sad about it now. I think I'll.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 37: Play a sad song in memory of them.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 14: Well, the news is out All over town That you've
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 14: been seen Well, all around Well, I guess that I.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 9: Should leave, but then I wonder what can I do.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 10: To do it again.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 18: Well, this heart of mine Could never see.
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 14: What a goodbye to do with me What can I
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 14: do You.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 9: Live again.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 14: Baby, I want your gold.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 9: Well, I said, baby, baby.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 14: I want your gold.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 9: Now you can buy me Lincoln on a big and
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 9: black But don't you know, honey, I'm a takin' backers,
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 9: baby Woo! Two, three, four, one, two, one I lost my.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 15: Rhythm Yeah, baby.
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 9: Well, baby, I want you to go I said, baby Well, baby,
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 9: I want.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 14: You to go Well, I want.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 38: You, I said, way too cold Let's go, baby, let's go, go-go-go-go-go-go-go,
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 38: baby Well, baby Baby, I want you to know, I said.
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 9: Baby, baby, I want you to know, when you clap, clap, clap,
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 9: and you.
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 14: Dance, dance, dance, baby, I want you to get you
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 14: out of that.
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 9: Pants, baby.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 14: Yeah, baby Well, baby, you want something I.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 9: Said, baby Well, baby, you want something.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 14: Yeah, you jump in the air You do some flip-flip-flip-flip.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 9: Shake those hips, baby Yeah, baby.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 38: Baby, worship me. I said, baby. Baby, worship me.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 13: Baby, I want your eyes. It's way too cold. So, baby,
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 13: I just.
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 9: Gotta let go.
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 2: Baby.
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 9: Alright, we got one more song for you. Two more songs, okay.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 9: I just made this song up two minutes ago.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 17: That's impressive.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 9: I'm just so bored with all the songs that I've played.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 9: I gotta find stuff to do.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 6: In the meantime.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 37: Mostly licking sweat off the microphone.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 9: This is called Guitar and a Bottle of Wine.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 17: This is about my recent ill-fated trips down to Texas.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 9: I'm making that up. I just play coffee shots most
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 9: of the time. I don't really... Go to Texas. It's
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 9: a lie.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 37: Everything I say into this microphone is a complete lie.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 17: Except for the fact that this is called Guitar and
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 17: a Bottle of Wine.
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 14: Well, my car's broken down about an hour from town
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 14: When I'm fretting, I don't frown I got sand in
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 14: my step and.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 9: A twinkle in my eye And I will tell you why.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 9: I got a guitar. I got a bottle of wine.
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 9: And tonight, baby, I'm feeling fine. I got a guitar.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 9: I got a bottle of wine. And tonight, baby, I'm
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 9: feeling fine. Woo! Well, I'm stuck out in this wasteland.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I got a.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 14: Really bad case of man, but I don't fuss and.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 9: I don't frown. I don't let nothing get me down.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 9: I got a guitar. I got a bottle of wine.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 9: And tonight, baby, I'm feeling fine. I got a guitar.
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 9: I got a bottle of wine. And tonight, baby, I'm
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 9: feeling fine. Woo!
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 14: Well, I'm 300 miles from my girl. She's one of
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 14: the prettiest in the world. I know I'm a holiday,
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 14: but I don't think it'll break.
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 9: Cause I got this medicine that I can take.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 7: I got a guitar.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 10: I got a bottle of wine.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 14: And tonight, baby, I'm feeling fine.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 9: I got a guitar.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 13: I got a bottle of wine.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 9: And tonight, baby, I'm feeling fine. Woo!
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 10: Well, I ain't.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 14: Got a dime to my name And those folks think
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 14: that it's a darn shame But if they just understand
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 14: from the start It ain't the money in your pocket,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 14: but the love in.
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 7: Your heart I got a guitar, I got a.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 14: Bottle of wine And tonight, baby, I'm feeling fine I
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 14: got a guitar, I got a bottle of wine And tonight, baby,
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 14: I'm feeling fine Yeah!
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 13: Thank you guys so much!
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 10: We are the Empire!
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 9: Straight to Bloomington, Indiana. That's not that impressive. It's only
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 9: like two hours away. All the way down to Bloomington, Indiana. Okay, cool.
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 9: This is our last song. And I am crying. I
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 9: am sad to leave you folks. Especially in this kind
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 9: of a state.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 10: I'm doing it again.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 9: This is called Tear It Up. Thank you so much. Well,
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 9: come on, little baby. Let's tap dance.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 14: Come on, little baby.
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 9: Let's tap dance.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 13: Come on, sweetheart.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 9: Let's see you. Yeah, tell her.
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 13: Tell her.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 9: Tell her.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 13: Well, come on, ladies and gentlemen.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 9: Let's tear it up, ladies and gentlemen.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah!
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 9: Oh, we're gonna make it, we're gonna be on the road. Oh,
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 9: we're gonna make it, we're gonna be on the road.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 9: The black hole, come on, let's show the real world.
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 9: Tear it up. Tear it up.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 13: Tear it up.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 10: Tear it up.
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 9: Well, come on, ladies and gentlemen, let's tear it up.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 10: Let's tear it up, come on.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 9: Welcome, baby, to the wild way to the killer. Here
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  Speaker 9: you say, tell it up. Tell it up. Welcome, baby,
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  Speaker 9: to the killer.
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  Speaker 13: Tell it up.
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  Speaker 9: Tell it up.
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  Speaker 10: Tell it up. Tell it up.
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  Speaker 13: Tell it up.
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  Speaker 9: Welcome, baby, to the killer. Tell it up.
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  Speaker 13: That's how they get their hands through.
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  Speaker 12: Woo!
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  Speaker 9: Let's try that again.
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  Speaker 13: Well, come on, baby, let's move our way.
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  Speaker 9: Do it again, let me hear you say, tear it up.
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  Speaker 13: Tear it up. Well, come on, baby, let's.
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  Speaker 10: Tear it down.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, tear it up.
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  Speaker 13: Tear it up.
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  Speaker 10: Tear it up.
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  Speaker 9: Tear it up. Well, come on, baby, let's tear it down.
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  Speaker 10: Well, come on, baby.
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  Speaker 13: Let's tear it down.
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  Speaker 14: Well, come on, baby, let's tear it down.
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  Speaker 22: These fellas are trying to bum rap you.
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  Speaker 24: That's one of Kogan's cars.
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  Speaker 22: They just want to use you.
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  Speaker 6: To bait the road for me.
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  Speaker 25: Stacy Goud, you dirty turncoat. If you make one more
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  Speaker 25: move toward that shotgun, I'll make a skullcap out of
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  Speaker 25: it for you.
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  Speaker 8: edited by Brian Renfro, with opening music performed by The Empires.
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