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Why Canada Just Did a 180 on China | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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  You guys, Carl Zaa is here and you know, we saw this Carney
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  meeting with the in in China and we had to talk about it.
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  We had to bring back the Kung Fu Yoga series, which is really
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  more like Kung Fu Maple syrup or like dumplings in Maple syrup.
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  Now it's a beautiful combination.
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  I mean. Oh yeah, I so I.
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  Yeah, tell me, tell me, tell me where.
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  You go ahead, go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead, Go ahead.
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  You go first. Like, OK, so because listeners
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  who may be familiar with this series, you know, Carl and I
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  have got together to talk over the years, every time there's
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  been a dramatic Canada China story.
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  So some of the Canada China stories that we have discussed
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  was when Canada literally kidnapped a major Chinese
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  executive and for years on behalf of America, we covered a
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  whole fear mongering campaign about supposed Chinese
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  interference in Canadian elections, which had no
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  evidence. But there are books written
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  about it. There are a couple of
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  journalists that just pursued it and won awards for it and then
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  had to apologise and leave their newspapers.
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  Their newspapers got sued because it's all defamatory
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  false stuff. And and now we're covering
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  something. I, you know, I didn't think, I
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  didn't think we would be covering this.
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  Thank you. Thank you, Comrade Trump.
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  Thank you, Comrade Trump, for making it happen.
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  Comrade Trump do nothing, Xi Jinping strategy, do nothing and
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  win. OK, so, So what happened?
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  The proximate event we're discussing tonight is Mark
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  Carney, the Prime Minister of Canada had the first meeting
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  with China in eight years, I think for a Canadian Prime
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  Minister to go to China. There was there was a really
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  embarrassing meeting when Trudeau was Prime Minister where
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  he leaked some information, some kind of thing from a meeting
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  that was supposed to be closed doors.
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  And then Xi Jinping was like, oh, you don't do that, man.
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  Don't do that. And and and Trudeau.
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  Everybody loved it, and everybody loved it when Xi
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  Jinping chewed out Trudeau or even the Canadians, 'cause they,
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  they, they're like. Finally, they hated Trudeau by
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  that point and, and, and Trudeau had to go like he had to kind of
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  walk out of the room and like go into like the kitchen or be
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  like, God knows where he went, maybe he went to call Katy Perry
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  or something. And that was like the last
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  meeting that I know about. And the rest of it has been all
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  like kind of smears. And so there were there were
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  certain tariffs that Trump imposed on the Canadian economy,
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  which was going to, you know, on its way to crashing the whole
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  Canadian economy. The agricultural products are a
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  major one. And and then Canada is totally
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  dependent on the US in every way.
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  Like it's really funny because Mark Carney came and said, you
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  know, we're going to fight back and we're going to, we're going
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  to make a new deal. And he's a tough negotiator and
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  he's a central banker and stuff. But everything that he did was
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  just give America everything they wanted.
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  That was all what, what are you going to do?
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  Like they're, they buy everything Canada has, they sell
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  us everything that Canada needs. You know, like we're, we're
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  talking on Skype. Like, you know, my work computer
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  uses Microsoft. Like Google.
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  We, I searched this up using Google, like we message each
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  other using WhatsApp. What are we talking about?
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  The, the idea that Canada's going to how like the Canadian
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  government is going to send each other a bunch of emails over
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  Microsoft and tell them we're going to, we're going to take on
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  America now. Like search up on Google, like,
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  you know, call up ChatGPT and say, hey, tell me how to take on
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  America. No, but then and yet now here we
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  are where Mark Carney went to China.
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  And several of the things that are have been announced so far
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  are already the tariff on the all the advanced Chinese
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  electric vehicles, 49,000 of them to start has gone from 100%
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  to 6%. There's China's going to buy
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  canola oil, which is the canola. I don't know if people know
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  this, but canola means Canadian. The can in canola means
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  Canadian. It's a Oh really?
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  I did not know that. Yeah.
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  That's I thought canola is a plan.
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  No, I thought canola is some special plan.
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  No, it's during World War 2, I think, and there were certain
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  sources of oil that the Americans needed.
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  They needed vegetable oil. And the Canadians, you know,
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  diverted however much land to growing this oil.
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  We're growing these rapeseed. I think it's rapeseed.
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  And then now. And that became canola.
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  So now China's going to benefit from the canola.
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  China's going to use the canola oil.
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  It has a high smoke point. It's a decent oil.
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  Yeah, it's a great oil. I don't know.
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  You cook. China have been I think was the
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  largest purchaser kind of oil up to the point when China slapped
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  sanction tariff on Canada in retaliation of Canada slapping
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  100% tariff on Chinese EV. So, so like that actually caused
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  a lot of problems for Canadian farmers because they depended on
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  the Chinese market, just like the soybean farmer United States
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  depended on the Chinese market. And, and, and so now the deal is
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  I guess Carney's like, OK, sorry, we're just kidding.
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  You know, I, I understand we did this thing for United States.
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  We slapped 100% tariff on China EV because Biden administration
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  want us to and we, we, we detain Mung Wan.
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  So again, because the first Trump, I think was first Trump
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  administration that wanted us to.
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  And so we're sorry. Let's let's get back on track.
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  And which is funny because now a lot of conservatives, Canadian
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  conservatives who are angry that Carney is going to China,
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  they're now calling him a hypocrite by pointing out Carney
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  used to say China is our biggest security threat, right.
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  And, and well, I, I think that actually shows that there's some
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  degree of flexibility in Canadians politics.
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  You know, like you, you to be a politician, you need to be
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  pragmatic, right? Maybe pragmatic is too strong a
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  term, but you need to be. Flexible, yeah.
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  But certainly I, you know, I would have thought that.
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  I didn't think, I didn't think the Canadian elite had this in
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  them. But, you know, I, I, I, I I'm
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  not surprised I'm not. Yeah, go ahead.
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  You know what? Canadians, actually, Canadian
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  leadership actually had more balls than the Europeans.
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  You know I I like. Yeah, and you know, I don't
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  think Europeans. Are still bowing and scraping.
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  So here's one, here's one question.
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  Do you think that, do you think that the Venice, the kidnapping
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  of Maduro here in the hemisphere maybe made Carney like a little
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  bit more afraid of America? You.
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  Think that's a possible that's a possibility, but but if Trump
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  had just limited his ambition at Venezuela strictly, I'm sure
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  Carney like other European leader would have just, you
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  know, stick to the party lying. Oh, you know, this is a victory
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  for democracy, you know, like authoritarian regime must must
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  be brought to heal. But Trump didn't stop there.
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  The thing is really, I think it's about Trump going after
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  Greenland and, and, and and remember, Trump had said he also
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  wanted to make Canada the 51st state, but now he's really
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  making a serious effort going after Greenland.
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  And if you look at it for people who you know to look at a map,
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  if US were to acquire Greenland, Canada is literally boxed in on
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  all side by by mainland USA by by Greenland.
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  So yeah, I would, I would be a little bit nervous too if that,
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  if I mean Cardi C, so. Greenland is like Canada's
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  strategic depth. Is that where the Canadian RV
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  would retreat in the event of an invasion?
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  Well, I'm not not strategic that it's just there will be, Canada
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  would literally be a landlocked, landlocked country.
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  You know, like you'll be surrounded by United States on
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  all sides. So, yeah, I I think and, and
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  plus Trump has repeatedly said that he's going to take over
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  Canada as well. So I mean, people just thought
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  he was just kidding. You know, people thought he was
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  kidding about Greenland. Well, he wasn't kidding about
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  Greenland. He's really, he really meant it,
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  Yeah. So do you think, I mean, while
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  we're talking about Greenland, do you do you think that because
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  I don't think anybody in Greenland is going to fight the
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  Americans if they land there. So I suppose if he wants it, he
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  can take it. Oh, yeah, I mean, no doubt.
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  I mean, I don't think, I don't think NATO is going to fight
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  NATO, right. I mean, I, well, I mean, we, we
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  have the presidents of a NATO member, you know, going after
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  another. Well, like we had the Turkish
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  invasion of Cyprus right before Turkey being a NATO member,
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  Greece being the other NATO member.
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  And then NATO didn't do anything.
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  And you have you have actually callous the European High
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  Commissioner for Foreign Affairs and Security.
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  She actually just tweeted out they say, oh, you know, it's bad
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  to for the allies to fight among ourselves.
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  You know, whatever happened in Greenland with this can be
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  resolved within NATO. I'm like, what do you mean?
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  How can you resolve within a NATO with the largest NATO
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  member is attacking another NATO member?
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  What the heck are you going to do?
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  And and she wasn't even brave enough to mention Trump's name.
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  You know, like this is, this is insane.
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  Yeah, there, there are just so many unthinkable things that
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  have happened in the past few weeks that I don't even know.
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  Yeah, very. It's very disorienting.
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  But the fact that Canada did this, the fact that Carney did
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  this is it's a, it's a big deal. I don't know how big of a deal
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  it is in China. Do you have any?
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  Are people laughing in China like they must be laughing their
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  heads off, I mean. This is a This is a much bigger
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  deal than I expected, right? I knew Carney was going to
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  China. You know, I briefly mentioned it
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  on my last show, but I just didn't think it would be a big
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  deal because let's face it, Canada is just not that
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  important. Yeah, bigger scheme of things.
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  But I think that it's a reaction from the Anglosphere, especially
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  on the social media. There's a lot of angry
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  conservative Canadians and there's a lot of angry Americans
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  now. Like on Twitter now there's four
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  Americans say, oh, yeah, you did that.
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  We're going to take, take, take you over now.
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  And this is like, this is really weird if you think about it.
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  China is, oh, China, United States and Canada, they're to
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  each other largest trading partner.
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  Canada is US largest trading partner and vice versa.
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  And China is Canada's second largest trading partner and
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  China is US third largest trading partner after all the
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  Trump sanction and stuff. So now it's like the United
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  States is look angry at Canada, it's largest trading partner to
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  go hammer a deal with China, it's third largest trading
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  partner, right? Like, like a lot of people are
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  saying this is like, you know, it's about like it's almost like
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  a a jealous ex fighting, fighting over the new
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  relationship. They always ex.
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  Well, so can that Canadian history with China is
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  interesting because I think sometime around 2003 there was a
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  big Team China thing all over the newspapers.
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  And so it was Jean Cretian and he was the Prime Minister and he
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  and a whole team and his finance minister and everybody, they all
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  went to China and it was a big trip and it was a big fanfare
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  and they came out with all these deals and it was this big deal.
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  And, and I guess you know, Carney said, oh, the other, the
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  other clause in the deal is visa free travel to China from Canada
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  for visits. Did you see that one?
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  There's also visa free travel for for Canadian visitors to
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  China. And Carney said this is again,
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  this is the same person who during the the leadership debate
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  was asked what's the biggest security threat and just
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  casually was like China, China, China and Trump had already been
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  talking about annexing Canada at that point, you know, but when
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  the genocide was going on and, you know, all this interference
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  that could be. But anyway, Carney said he
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  tweeted, nearly 2 million Canadians are of Chinese
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  descent, many with family and friends across the Pacific.
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  As we renew this relationship, China has committed to soon
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  allowing Canadians to visit without a visa.
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  Did you see see all these angry comments under his tweet and he
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  like all these people, it's like, I don't want to go to
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  China. Why would you do that?
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  It's like nobody's forcing you to go, dude.
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  It's it's option. It's option you can have if you
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  choose to. Nobody's forcing you to go to
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  China and. No, it's it's it's it's amazing.
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  It's amazing. But so so yeah, I what do you,
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  are you like on the Chinese Internet?
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  What are people saying about this?
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  Is it? People must be.
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  Tickled really I, I haven't, I haven't really look at Chinese
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  Internet because I have been glued to to the X so much
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  entertainment. There's so much entertainment on
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  the X side of things. You know, like all these
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  Americans are upset at Canadians.
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  Like what? It's a trading relationship.
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  They're not forming like a a military alliance or anything.
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  They're literally just hammering.
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  Out The Who knows? Who knows?
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  Who knows? Maybe.
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  I mean, you know. And.
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  But yeah, I I worked at a Really.
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  The whole. In terms of the military
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  relationship, I just wanted to say I work at A at a pretty
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  large university. I think it's around 45th between
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  40 and 50,000 students and faculty and staff and
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  everything. And I think that that university
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  is a little bit bigger than the Canadian Army.
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  So I'm not sure if it's another, it's another situation where if
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  the Americans decided that they wanted to take over, I'm not
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  sure what options Canada would have, which is why.
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  Yeah, well, well, I mean, like if you think about it, China,
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  Canada used to have a pretty enjoys a pretty good reputation
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  in China because when little Chinese kids are growing up in.
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  School, they're learning. Yes, Norman Batum coming to
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  coming to China to to help out. That's what little Chinese kids
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  are learning. You know, they're impression of
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  Canada and as you say, the Canadian Chinese relationship
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  have been pretty good up till up till Trudeau.
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  I would say up to Trudeau. It's when Trudeau on the behalf
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  of the first Trump administration to kidnap Meng
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  Wanzhou, the CTO of or CFO of of Huawei.
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  And that's when the relationship turned sour, right.
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  And and then then after that, it's all this accusation.
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  There's also like they crank up really crank up the propaganda
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  campaign inside Canada about all the things that we talk about
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  how how China have secret police station, China is monitoring
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  China is, you know, trying to interfere in the in the Canadian
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  politics. I mean, the same playbook they
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  did in the other five on I country Australia.
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  You know, they tried that method before it was successful.
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  They did it the, the, the Canada was the, the, the second one to,
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  to follow that model. But now we're finally at a point
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  where, you know, Donald Trump is being so ridiculous that that
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  Carney is doing this 180° turn. And I was, I, you know what, I
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  think it's a big deal because it showed the alternatives, what
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  could be to the other European countries, as well as other
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  Anglo 5I members, you know, you know, you, you still have
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  countries like Australia, New Zealand, UK, you know, they're
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  still being playing the flying puppy dogs of United States.
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  And here Canada just bolted, you know that.
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  And yeah, go ahead. Just like to again, like a
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  little. These are all pieces of Canadian
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  history that I think a lot of Canadians listening will know.
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  But during the election, so people hated Trudeau.
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  You know, Trudeau was in in office for 10 years or whatever.
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  So after a while, everybody hates the person that's
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  everybody hates the incumbent. That's sort of how Canada, I, I
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  think it's probably everywhere but in Canada, that's how
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  politics goes. And so everybody hated Trudeau
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  and and the Conservatives who are of of course, like super pro
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  Israel, just like the Liberals, super anti China, just like the
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  Liberals, but like, you know, a little bit more nasty and in
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  various ways, especially in terms of how they talk about
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  other Canadians, whatever. Anyway, they they were on track
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  to winning. They were ahead.
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  You know, the, the Pierre Polyevery was surging in the
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  polls and, and then Trump started talking about the 51st
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  state and you know, the, the some conservatives like went to
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  America and visited Trump and was like, can you knock that
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  off? Like we're about to win?
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  And and and if you keep this up like people are gonna.
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  And then the Liberals positioned themselves really cleverly.
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  You know, Trudeau came and he had this speech and people
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  started liking Trudeau a little bit.
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  And then he left. He just exit stage right, like
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  it was a perfect move. And then they brought this guy.
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  Nobody knew who he was. They were like, oh, Mark
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  Carney's coming. And he cut, got rid of the
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  carbon tax. And he was like, so no carbon
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  tax, no Trudeau. And now Trump is talking about
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  making you the 51st state. So and Polly Evers, a Trump guy
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  like he, he wants to make Canada great again.
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  He had really like leaned into the Trump ISM.
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  And so they just they wipe the conservatives out in the
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  election. And and so in a way, you could
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  say that Carney is, does have some kind of mandate to pursue
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  these kinds of things because he ran kind of against Trump and
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  won because he was running against Trump.
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  So like, however unpopular China is, Trump is pretty unpopular
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  right now still in Canada. So and he keeps he's the gift
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  that keeps on giving in that sense, right?
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  Like he, he never, he never lets up like the conservative allies
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  told him, like if you could tone it down, that would be great.
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  And he was like, we he was like, yeah, sure.
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  And then he came out and did the 51st date thing again, so.
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  Well, I think, yeah. You know, Trump, he has he only
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  thing Trump want is concerned about is his own image, his own
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  domestic image in United States. I mean, right now he's
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  positioning himself as a Great American president.
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  You know, what does a Great American president do?
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  You expand America. And that's that's what he wants.
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  He is building his legacy right now.
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  He probably want another statue carved out of his face on the
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  Mount Rushmore, You know, and this is this is a whole, this
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  is, This is why we're in the Greenland business.
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  And This is why he said he went to Annex Canada and.
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  But he hasn't actually done any of those things yet.
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  He hasn't successfully expanded anything.
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  Well, what has he done? He hasn't even regime changed
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  Venezuela yet, right? I mean, like, yes, he kidnapped
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  Maduro, yes, but the still the same government in Caracas and
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  and but but but that's that's Trump.
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  He he knows how to get the spotlight because being the
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  natural reality TV show host it is he is he know how to look
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  good for the television and at least to grab people's attention
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  so people don't question about Epstein files, for example.
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  Yeah, yeah, for sure. But do do you know, since we're
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  here, like, how much do you think because there's there's
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  Trump's being kind of erratic and, and Trump doing these
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  things to distract from scandals and and Israel's need to keep
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  going into one conflict after another to, you know, not reckon
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  with the generalised descent into madness of their society.
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  But like, how much is this also like a grand strategy of the US
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  to try to get China out of Venezuela and try to get China
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  out of the hemisphere and trying to get, you know what oil like
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  trying to get China and Iran, I guess out of the Venezuelan and
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  Russia out of the Venezuelan oil game.
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  Like do you think that this is this is some rational grand
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  strategy as well in terms of these moves?
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  Well, I mean, that's theirs their their excuse, right?
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  That's the stated reason why US is militarily intervening in
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  Venezuela, because we have to keep China, Russia, Iran and all
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  these bad actors out out of our hemisphere.
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  But what is really keeping even Israel and oil go into China
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  rather than United States. It's because the sanctions,
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  because the sanction level by the first Trump administration
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  and, and, and that's what the oil executive, ExxonMobil
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  actually told him during the hearing.
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  He's like we left in Israel in 2019 because sanctions and, and
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  that, you know, all they have to do is lift the sanctions and the
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  oil will, will, will flow back to United States.
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  But, but, but the only reason China right now is the largest
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  buyer of Venezuela oil, about like 90% is because US sanction.
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  Only China is big enough and say, you know what, we don't,
• 25:08
  we're not going to worry about sanctions.
• 25:09
  We're going to keep US sanction. We're going to keep buying
• 25:12
  Venezuelan oil. You know, same thing.
• 25:14
  This is how China became the largest buyer of Iranian oil is
• 25:18
  because Iran, like Venezuela, was under sanctioned by EU and
• 25:23
  United States. You know if you left the
• 25:25
  sanctions, you know the. Oil, all the oil you want,
• 25:28
  There's there's everybody gets paid.
• 25:32
  But but like, yeah, so if the if the strategy is to try to get
• 25:38
  China out this like this is it's not working because now even
• 25:46
  Canada is trying to get China in and and buy Chinese cars.
• 25:51
  Like the cars thing is also a pretty big deal in Canada.
• 25:55
  So because Canada, Canadian manufacturing jobs are auto
• 26:01
  industry and they're basically what in Canada are known as
• 26:04
  branch plants. So it's American branch plants
• 26:08
  and American companies like producing cars in Canada.
• 26:12
  Here's the here's the here's the kicker, Carl.
• 26:14
  They like producing cars in Canada mainly because they don't
• 26:18
  have to pay employer side health insurance because the Canadian
• 26:23
  government pays the health insurance.
• 26:25
  So, so the package, you know, because of the exchange rate as
• 26:28
  well, like if, if the if the exchange, if the Canadian dollar
• 26:32
  is low, which it is right now and you don't have to pay
• 26:34
  healthcare, it's actually pretty competitive to produce American
• 26:39
  cars here. So on the other hand, you know,
• 26:43
  if there's unions and you want to do union busting, you can
• 26:46
  always leave and go back to America and find some lowest
• 26:49
  common denominator place. And so, you know, but Canadians
• 26:54
  also want these cars. Like everybody sees what these
• 26:57
  cars can do and like everybody wants these cars and then and
• 27:01
  how cheap they are for what they have.
• 27:04
  So people are, you're going to see these BYD cars in Canada
• 27:08
  pretty soon and that's that's going to be another thing man,
• 27:12
  like. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:18
  Yeah. I did not expect that to happen.
• 27:20
  I did not expect that to happen, by the way.
• 27:23
  I mean like. This is.
• 27:25
  Because I think, I think the only reason it happened is
• 27:29
  because of Trump. I mean I I.
• 27:31
  Yeah, yeah. No, Canada doesn't.
• 27:34
  Like, I didn't. I thought this was like too big
• 27:37
  of a leap for Canadians. But like, if Carney did it, like
• 27:40
  Carney's not a, like Carney's not like Trump, like Carney is
• 27:45
  like the consensus of the Canadian elite.
• 27:49
  Like Carney is a conservative. Actually, he's not a like a
• 27:53
  liberal. He's a he's a banker.
• 27:57
  He's a central banker. Yeah, he was a central banker.
• 28:00
  The man is a banker. He stole Venezuela's gold.
• 28:03
  I think he was the Bank of England banker.
• 28:06
  Like, like it's, it's like, you realise, like if you look at
• 28:10
  Carney's career, you kind of see that Canada is not really a
• 28:15
  country. Like why is a Canadian in charge
• 28:18
  of the Bank of England? And then like, what?
• 28:22
  How could that be? And the reason that is, is
• 28:24
  because there's not a can't country of Canada.
• 28:27
  There's an Anglosphere with the elite that like, go to different
• 28:32
  universities in the Anglosphere and travel between and, and
• 28:36
  seamlessly command these different resources.
• 28:40
  So that means all of which means that this is a bigger decision
• 28:46
  to to, to have a different relationship with China inside
• 28:54
  the Anglosphere inside the Five Eyes.
• 28:57
  So like how deep does this go? Yeah, I mean, I, I already saw
• 29:04
  some Brits, they're saying why, why don't we have free visa to
• 29:08
  China? Why don't we get free visa free
• 29:10
  to China, Right. And because all the other
• 29:14
  countries in EU already getting it for France, Germany, and
• 29:18
  they're wondering why we left that, Well, you know, reasons.
• 29:23
  Yeah, well, they got a lot of free stuff from China over the
• 29:27
  years, didn't they? Well, I mean, I don't think it's
• 29:33
  about history. It's really about their, you
• 29:35
  know, UK has been the, you know, basically the the deputy of
• 29:38
  United States, you know, US is not getting any visa free to
• 29:43
  China anytime soon, you know, because.
• 29:47
  So I mean, I, I do think, I do think that America can punish.
• 29:51
  I was expecting punishment to be swift and decisive, but did you
• 29:57
  see Trump's answer? Yeah.
• 29:59
  Trump says, oh, that's good. You know, Canada, it's it's it's
• 30:03
  good. They should have trade deals,
• 30:05
  which is really interesting because you have all these angry
• 30:10
  Americans and angry Canadian right wing commentator.
• 30:14
  I'm act so I going ballistic over Carney going to China and
• 30:18
  here's Trump saying of course they should do do business with
• 30:23
  China. Yeah.
• 30:25
  So something else is happening. I mean, I don't know.
• 30:28
  I mean, probably, probably we're going to record this and then
• 30:32
  post it. And then there's going to be a
• 30:34
  war with Iran before we're like finished talking.
• 30:37
  So there, there's there may be just like bigger fish to fry
• 30:40
  here in terms of America and Israel and what they're trying
• 30:43
  to do in the world. But like, nonetheless, big fish
• 30:48
  or small fish like this is, this is it's strange and it's, it's
• 30:55
  mind boggling because yeah, like I, I do think that America has
• 30:58
  lots of ways they could punish Canada if, if they want to, you
• 31:03
  know, obviously trade ways, but like legal ways and and law fair
• 31:09
  kinds of ways. Like they could attack based on
• 31:13
  breach of contract or, you know, kidnap leaders.
• 31:16
  Like, like they could do to to Canada what Canada did to Meng
• 31:20
  Wanzhou, right? Yeah.
• 31:23
  But Carney, they could do to Canada what they did to Maduro.
• 31:27
  They could take Carney and then try him in the state.
• 31:30
  They could put him in the same gaol that Luigi and Maduro are
• 31:33
  in now. Did you know that Luigi and
• 31:36
  Maduro in the same gaol? Yeah, I saw that this world man,
• 31:41
  I I wish I wish they just live stream that stuff, you know,
• 31:46
  live stream the gaol life that that would be like the highest
• 31:48
  rated, you know, thing with. All the TV, like if there's a
• 31:51
  gym and they're working out together or something and like
• 31:55
  teaching salsa, like Maduro's teaching salsa to the inmates
• 31:59
  and I don't know. I just don't know.
• 32:01
  So, yeah, so and then so economically, legally, and then
• 32:07
  they could also retaliate militarily.
• 32:09
  Like there are a lot of a great many Canadians, including in the
• 32:13
  police and the army that are loyal to the States, you know,
• 32:17
  and, and paramilitaries and truckers and all kinds of people
• 32:23
  that are loyal and pro Israel people like the pro Israel
• 32:26
  militias obviously would go do whatever they were supposed to
• 32:31
  based on what the Americans want.
• 32:32
  So I think there's a lot they could do.
• 32:36
  And, and I think it was, it was, it was interesting to me that
• 32:40
  the first thing Trump did was like, cool, everybody down and
• 32:43
  say, no, they're supposed to make deals.
• 32:47
  And, and, and, and, and in contrast of what Trump is doing
• 32:51
  to the Europeans right now, because Trump just announced
• 32:54
  that he's imposing another 10% tariff on France, Finland,
• 32:58
  Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands and UK for,
• 33:05
  for if and if he will increase the tariff to 25% on June 1st if
• 33:11
  a deal to acquire Greenland is not reached.
• 33:15
  So, so, you know, Canada is excluded from that list.
• 33:18
  This, this I think that bolstered my thesis that, you
• 33:23
  know, because Trump is a bully, you know, he only respects
• 33:28
  shred. He he does he despise weakness.
• 33:31
  He prey on weakness. The Europeans have been bending
• 33:34
  over backwards. So he thought, oh, this is easy.
• 33:37
  I'm going to keep on pushing. But whenever Trump receive a
• 33:40
  pushback when China said no on the trade war, yeah, China's
• 33:45
  Trump suddenly, oh, Xi Jinping is my best friend.
• 33:48
  And and I think because Canada is showing up, showing some sort
• 33:52
  of backbone, Trump is not like, you know, he's climbing down a
• 33:57
  little bit. He's he's, he's not pushing the
• 33:59
  issue as people expected him to because he's a bully.
• 34:03
  He's a bully. That's he's that's the only way
• 34:05
  to deal with a bully is you have to negotiate from strength.
• 34:09
  You can't, you can't like do what the Europeans do, man.
• 34:13
  They they're trying trying to Curry favour by by, you know,
• 34:17
  when, when Trump says jump, they ask how high, but that that
• 34:20
  doesn't work. So Denmark makes Ozempic, yes.
• 34:27
  Yes, they do. They also have some IP patent on
• 34:31
  the latest insulin products, a lot of insulin products.
• 34:34
  They do so so that that's why I was joking.
• 34:39
  You know, Denmark will be fine as long as they're still fat
• 34:41
  Americans. Denmark economy will be fine.
• 34:47
  So the tariffs, though, are like, again, Trump never
• 34:53
  understood what tariffs are, because tariffs work if you have
• 34:58
  a comparable product that you want to make, but they don't
• 35:02
  have a comparable product to Ozempic.
• 35:06
  So all you're going to do is make it more expensive?
• 35:09
  Well, they were, they were put, you know, back in April.
• 35:11
  They were placing tariff on coffee.
• 35:13
  You know, US do not produce coffee.
• 35:18
  And they only realised that several months late after they
• 35:21
  were. Oh, OK, OK, we're going to roll
• 35:23
  back the tariff on coffee. But I don't think it's very well
• 35:28
  thought out, you know, like most of the Trump plans.
• 35:33
  So I don't yeah. So I I guess so far Carney's
• 35:38
  just got away with it. Luck of the Irish.
• 35:41
  Is he Irish? I'm guessing from his name that
• 35:43
  his background is Irish. He just, you know, it doesn't
• 35:48
  look like there's going to be any punishment.
• 35:50
  It looks like a good deal. And now he's off to Qatar.
• 36:00
  Yeah. To to join the Muslim
• 36:04
  Brotherhood. Is that what they're saying on
• 36:09
  social media nowadays? No, I just know that that's
• 36:12
  Qatar, right? I mean, Qatar and Turkey, that's
• 36:14
  like their politics is. Yeah, it's just I, yeah, it's
• 36:20
  pragmatic. I, you know, I, I think it's, I
• 36:23
  think it's really good for China to have this, you know, during
• 36:29
  all these post World War 2, you know, I think there was often
• 36:34
  times when Canada would be like the intermediary between America
• 36:43
  and Cold War opponents, you know, with Cuba, like Canadians
• 36:49
  have always gone to Cuba. And so if Americans wanna go to
• 36:53
  Cuba, they go via Canada, things like that.
• 36:57
  So I don't know, maybe this will be some beautiful bridge between
• 37:02
  America and China and this troubled time.
• 37:06
  Mark Carney. There was a time, there was a
• 37:08
  time in in after September 11th, you know, all these American
• 37:12
  tourists, they're starting putting Maple flags on their
• 37:16
  backpack to claim they're Canadians.
• 37:18
  And that also happened in 1999 when US bombed the Chinese
• 37:23
  embassy in Belgrade. You know, suddenly all the
• 37:25
  Americans in China claim they're Canadians, you know, and, and
• 37:31
  so, so, so, you know, Canada happened to have, you know, even
• 37:35
  though it's pretty much, you know, hanger on all the US
• 37:40
  empire, you know, participating all these NATO interventions.
• 37:44
  But Canada has like this reputation being like the
• 37:48
  gentler, you know, the, the, the gentler angle cousins of United
• 37:53
  States. And so, yeah, well.
• 37:56
  And then here they are doing that again.
• 37:59
  Yeah, right. Yeah.
• 38:00
  And I think, I think this is good.
• 38:01
  This is good for Canada and China.
• 38:04
  Yeah. And, and Speaking of that, you
• 38:07
  know, when Venezuela happened, I, I see a lot of people on
• 38:12
  social media as well as my YouTube channel comments saying,
• 38:15
  oh, if China and Russia don't intervene, you know, don't stop
• 38:19
  United States from walking all over their allies, nobody will
• 38:24
  ally with China or Russia anymore.
• 38:26
  You know, nobody will want to have any business with China and
• 38:30
  Russia anymore. Well, I I'm like, hey, just
• 38:33
  wait, wait for wait for Canada, wait for wait for Cardi.
• 38:38
  No, I mean that yeah. Like I, I think, I think on both
• 38:41
  of our channels we've talked about this like, you know, Iran
• 38:46
  didn't want that kind of help. Venezuela also never asked for a
• 38:51
  military intervention by China. They never in any time.
• 38:55
  They always said, you know, if, if America invades, we will
• 39:00
  defend ourselves and and and we want peace.
• 39:04
  And that's basically like how China talks too, right?
• 39:09
  China always talks that same way.
• 39:11
  It's not like we want to be saved by others.
• 39:14
  It's that we want peace and but don't think you can walk all
• 39:21
  over us. Yeah.
• 39:22
  And I think people also have, you know, maybe they're somehow
• 39:28
  overestimate China's capability because unlike United States,
• 39:33
  China do not have military bases all around the world.
• 39:36
  So which means China actually do not have the same level of power
• 39:40
  projection as United States. You know, Chinese Navy simply
• 39:45
  lacks, you know, the, the, the, the power projection capability
• 39:50
  into Caribbean, South America being one of those places in the
• 39:53
  world that's the furthest away from China.
• 39:57
  California is lot closer to China than Venezuela.
• 40:00
  You know, if the Chinese Navy can deter United States in the
• 40:03
  Caribbean, that means the Chinese Navy can deter United
• 40:07
  States. Everywhere off the coast of
• 40:08
  California already, so people have to keep that in mind.
• 40:13
  Yeah, you got to look at a map and yeah, like China, yeah,
• 40:19
  China can't. It's, it's, it's like if it, if
• 40:23
  it was a battle over Taiwan, I think I'd bet on China.
• 40:29
  But like Taiwan that's right there, you know, and, and
• 40:33
  Venezuela is like that for the states.
• 40:36
  Venezuela is right there. It's right there.
• 40:41
  They, they have everything. They have all their assets
• 40:44
  there. They have their entire Navy
• 40:46
  there. I don't know, maybe some of it's
• 40:48
  moving towards Iran now, but like, even warships that were in
• 40:52
  Iran came to Venezuela before they.
• 40:56
  Yeah. Ford, USS Ford and move USS Ford
• 40:59
  to to the Caribbean, but now they're moving a aircraft
• 41:03
  carrier attack group from South China Sea to to to West Asia.
• 41:09
  So, so yeah, definitely they're planning something.
• 41:13
  Yeah, yeah, these. Yeah.
• 41:15
  And that's the thing. Like if, if they do attack Iran,
• 41:20
  I'm sure Carney and Trump will be on the same page for that.
• 41:25
  So you know where it counts. You know, these are, these are
• 41:29
  not, these are not the biggest disputes actually whether Canada
• 41:35
  can be allowed to have these fancy cars or not.
• 41:39
  Yeah, because, I mean, that's because, you know, attacking you
• 41:42
  wrong. That's that's what is real
• 41:43
  wrong, right? That's what Natiyahu wants.
• 41:45
  That's another that's level of. Importance.
• 41:48
  Yeah, Exactly. Exactly.
• 41:51
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:53
  So anything else? What else have we?
• 41:54
  Is there anything else we want to make sure we I mean?
• 41:58
  I think I think we covered it. Yeah, but you, so you talked to
• 42:03
  somebody, you talked to Diego, right?
• 42:06
  Yeah, I Diego. Yeah.
• 42:08
  So what? Anything from that that we
• 42:11
  should? So we something we did not talk
• 42:14
  about on our live stream, you know, we talked about afterwards
• 42:17
  that you know, Diego is mentioning that, you know, the
• 42:20
  rumour that they're going to reopen U.S. embassy in Venezuela
• 42:25
  is probably true. It's probably going to happen
• 42:27
  and also the, you know, recent well, there has been a confirmed
• 42:33
  meeting between those head of CIA and the new Venezuelan
• 42:37
  acting president. So and then definitely two sides
• 42:41
  are are talking. You know, we're just have to
• 42:44
  wait and see what kind of agreement will be hammered out,
• 42:48
  whether it's a capitulation, whether it's a compromise, who
• 42:52
  knows? Yeah, I haven't, I haven't given
• 42:55
  up hope that they could get Maduro back.
• 42:58
  You know, if Mung Wan Jo can, you know, you know, they had to
• 43:03
  take some Michaels. I don't think Venezuela is in a
• 43:05
  position to take any Michaels. But who knows?
• 43:09
  I don't know, maybe they have some Michaels.
• 43:12
  Like that's a thing. Like we only know what we know.
• 43:17
  Yeah. Because the Americans told us
• 43:20
  what happened on January 3rd. So there could be American
• 43:24
  prisoners of war from that night.
• 43:26
  There could be American casualties from that night.
• 43:31
  And who's wouldn't be in anybody's interest to be talking
• 43:34
  about that, right? Wouldn't Venezuela wouldn't want
• 43:38
  to be bragging about that? Yeah, right.
• 43:42
  Yeah, not, not that this particular junction, no.
• 43:46
  That but if they do have those kinds of cards I they would be
• 43:50
  playing them in this discussion you know yeah because like that
• 43:56
  was there were there have been prisoner exchange and I I do
• 43:58
  think Mangwang Joe was the was the what do you call it template
• 44:03
  like like several VI Venezuelan VIPs were exchanged for American
• 44:10
  mercenaries who had tried to invade and.
• 44:14
  Oh, that's right, that's the the phone last time from the third
• 44:17
  last attempt. So there is a.
• 44:19
  Bay of Piglets. Yeah, there's a way.
• 44:22
  There must be a channel when they have each other's hostages.
• 44:29
  There's probably some established way of talking about
• 44:33
  it. Yeah, I, I, that's what I, I
• 44:36
  told Diego. I mean, Diego say he didn't like
• 44:39
  the fact that they're going to reopen the US Embassy.
• 44:42
  But I'm like, look, well, yes, it's bad that U.S. embassy is
• 44:45
  definitely a vector for them to spread their influence and
• 44:49
  possibly do do shady stuff in the country.
• 44:52
  But on the other hand in in case like this you do want to
• 44:55
  maintain a clear, open and communication.
• 44:58
  Line exactly so absolutely. Dialectics.
• 45:02
  Dialectics. Yeah, that's right.
• 45:03
  That's right. That's right.
• 45:05
  That's the revolution. All right, Carl, Thank you so
• 45:09
  much, man. Yeah, anytime.
• 45:12
  And let's, yeah, let's keep our eyes on the on this developing
• 45:16
  story, OK? Definitely.