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The Lack Of Us - The Last Of Us - Episode Nine Review "Look For The Light" · For All Nerds Show

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  com. Slash for All Nerds Welcome is the emergency broadcasting system. Welcome to
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  the lack of US podcasts, a podcast covering the last of us from the
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  perspective of people. Hello, Hello Lord, Powered by the great faults at
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  four All Nerds, where we always say Inclujjung is revolution and here in the
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  Petrie Dish, I always mess that one up the Petrie Petrie dish. It's
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  your boy, DJ, but I mean a ka court Aceps Rex aka holy
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  shit, Joel aka smoking on that gas of us aka Joe please whatever there
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  we go And as you hear, it's my co host sitting here with me
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  in the Petrie Dish Satiani aka four Spores and seven years Ago aka for Us,
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  by the Last of Us aka Elliott Nass aka the Blacks of Us And
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  as always, we are back to talk the lack of us. This is
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  the last episode of season one, episode nine. We made it here despite
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  everything, our reservations, the spider reseras, despite the manness, despite the
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  depression, despite getting clowned on our YouTube channel for saying that we you know,
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  had different opinions. Oh god, it's just too dark for you guys
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  night. Yeah, maybe I was like, wow, you clown for being
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  emotional, clown for not being emotional. We got like, it's like whatever,
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  Like, but I appreciate you watching and listening. But yeah, thank
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  you for the comments. As always, yeah we're here. This episode nine
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  titled look for the Lights. This is a finale that here. Listen.
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  Well, I mean, Joel made some people see the light, that's for
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  sure. They don't miss them anymore. Boy, they found it. It
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  met that man across My god, Joe was like, don't worry about that.
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  I got you. Then, I mean, I like, should we
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  should we get the overall or should we just saying don't do it? The
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  right way, like hot, we liked and overall I enjoying this episode.
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  Okay, let's say a series WI it's a good, solid show. I
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  would rate it about a seven to ten overall, you know, first season
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  about seven to ten. Yeah, I think I think Pedro and Bella raised
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  it occasionally to a nine of ten, and then everything goes occasionally dragged it
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  down to about a five of ten. Oh yeah, yeah, I'd say
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  that. I'd say that pretty sternly because it's very good assessment. Man,
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  I A bee with you. It's Bomonie Jones made a point the other day.
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  I think I mentioned when he was talking about the Wire versus Snowfall,
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  right, and he's like, first of all, the wires just on another
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  level, just entirely. Second Row, Snowfall is a show that has incredible
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  actors that are sometimes dragged down by the material that they have to deliver,
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  right, And people rate it so high because these actors are so good.
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  And that's how I feel about this show. I feel like Pedro and Bella
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  are doing i mean, just fucking in unbelievable work. Yeah, the Lord's
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  work on this show. And then there are things that are like as people
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  brought up last week. You know, we talked about the cartoonishness of the
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  big Boss villain and people say straight from the game, etc. And etcetera.
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  And as other reviews pointed out, yere okay, As other reviews pointed
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  out, the game isn't so on the nose about things. And that's one
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  of the things that I have problems with this episode and with this series in
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  general, as I feel the writing must have been dumbed down. As for
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  someone who's never played the game, I feel like it had to have been
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  dumbed down because there's moments like, oh, yeah, I mean I was
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  just talking about this with my boy. We were on vacations that we're talking
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  about the He's like, my man said, He's like, what's dude like
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  with that's fetish? You know, Oh, I've been waiting for our burning
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  building baby final trying to get you know, like that really very strange.
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  And in the video game it might work because you know, there's fire and
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  your characters to dodge the fire and stuff, and you know, and also
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  in the video game, he doesn't make the direct attempt to you know,
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  hard word yeah, to do that. You know, I don't mean I'm
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  like saying those words. But yeah, he doesn't make the attempt to do
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  that. You know, he just is trying to kill a shorty pretty much.
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  And then it's you know, the subtext is that's what he wants,
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  right, and that I've been waiting my whole life next. And I can
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  see in dramatic instances where like, you know, the building's happening to got
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  on fire and it's happening it's not, you know, and it's just like
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  it's stuff happening around you at the same time concurrently, and to your point,
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  he's just trying to unlive her. But yes, for like in this
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  show, it just didn't translate properly. It was thought about Kathleen like less
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  twice in a season. That's what I'm saying. Prioritize. So Ben,
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  I I agree with your assessment, your numerical assessment, and the resent I
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  would add on For me personally, the Billing Frame episode was a ten out
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  of ten for me. Yes, yeah, damn close. You know,
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  it's ten is so tough to say, you know, but it was a
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  ten. I don't, you know, it's tough. It's tough. You
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  know, it's like the dunk contest. You know, doing a fifty,
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  you get the tens across the board from me, you know it's over.
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  You give it was it was different for me, Like it's just it's the
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  when you tap into that level of emotion and relatability, and particularly for me,
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  I gotta say emotion twice because it's just like I removed myself from like
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  I know, at the end of the day, no matter how involved I
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  get, this is fiction that this is a story that I'm watching that I'm
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  taking out. I'm outside of that bubble. But to get me close to
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  like standing there and being like, yo, I'm part of that family or
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  I feel like I am have a true investment in it. To do that
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  that is strong work for me, and that's why I particularly gave that episode
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  such high marks. So beyond that, like I agree with you with the
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  numbers, I think all of that makes sense overall this they worked this genre
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  well there. Yes there were pitfalls, Yes there were the misgivings, but
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  they still worked at genre. They still even to this episode great in having
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  me and fearful, like just in a state of constant fear and anxiety throughout.
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  And that's the point. Yeah, and I will go back to that
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  episode, and like I said, it's tough for me to get things ten.
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  But at the same time, that is the single best episode I've seen
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  in twenty twenty three of any television show see so it hasn't been topped yet,
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  you know. I think that was an incredible, incredible episode of television
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  and really showed what can be done with the zombie genre that hasn't been done
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  before as or as much of which is why I felt like the rest of
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  the show is repetitive and things that I've seen many at the time before.
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  And I know a lot of our commentators, because a lot of our commentors
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  and a lot of people we're gonna talk about John Wick a lot this episode,
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  probably a lot of our people, a lot of people these days.
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  Um, I don't know. It's there's a more even for someone who grew
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  up in the eighties and you know, grew up on action movies to the
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  extreme, there's a bit more bloodthirst than the air I will say these days,
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  you know, And that's something I've always had a problem with the John
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  Witt films and with zombie general zombie genre even more so. And I don't
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  know if I've really distressed this on this show, but so it's a perfect
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  time to say it. It's like, the zombie genre in general involves a
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  lot of people being shot or killed in the face, you know, whether,
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  and the fact that there's zombies allows the creators and the audience to have
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  that step away from it being people humans, actual humans being shot and killed
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  in the face, et cetera. But they're still humans and they were humans,
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  and the good ones cope with that. You know, it's very difficult
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  to just kill someone, even if there're a zombie, because that might have
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  been someone you know, someone you know before you might have hoped that,
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  you know, they could be cured of this court acepts in this case or
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  whatever it is. But the bad ones, and my one of my issues
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  with the John Whipped films is when I first saw the first movie, halfway
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  through it, I was like, God, this man shooting a lot of
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  people in the face, and he's normalizing that level of violence. So it
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  makes it easier. Even though I argue to people all the time, actual
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  violence upon another human being is a lot more difficult than Twitter fingers makes it
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  seem. But it does normalize it, and it makes it where we are
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  desensitized to it. And that's always been my problem with zombie John where when
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  it's done badly, it's just a lot of people getting killed by other people.
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  And then you take into account that when people start doing well, all
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  humanity is bad and so there's always raiders and there's always something. It just
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  ends up being people killing each other over and over. Yeah, And honestly,
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  that's the only way this genre can work from a humanistic standpoint, because
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  you have to detach yourself from humanity to allow that type of level of violence.
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  Like for for anyone to allow it in terms of even just viewing to
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  to to to you use the word normalized, would even be able to raternalize
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  and rationalize the story. You have to be you have to detach the person
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  from that, right, So let's make the monstrous obviously, let's make them
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  more like animals, you know, and not cute animals, but you know,
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  animals that are there too, and of course they attack you. That's
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  that helps, right. Um, if what like the zombies they were just
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  zombies but they didn't touch nobody, but they were these monstrous things, but
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  they didn't go after people. What about that concept? Right now? I
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  guess that would be maybe boring, but it's also just like after them anyway.
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  Yeah, no, see there's a story there, you know, and
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  that's what I'm mean, Like, that's what people you know, A lot
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  of our people keep coming in the comments, not a lot some people in
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  the comments say, you know, they keep saying, well, this is
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  part and PARTL of zombie drama. No it's not. It's part and parcel
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  of what you've been shown. But I can name many other zombie genres that
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  don't do this. You know. It's just like these are the more popular
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  ones because violence and things of that nature are an easier way to sell stories.
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  You know, you have good bad, kill the bad. You win
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  the game, dad, You know, even though Last of Us is a
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  very morally complex game, as we've seen, and the Last of Us two
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  gets even more into it, obviously because of choices Joel mates in this episode,
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  but at the same time, the base of it is that violence being
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  against people and the way that, like you said, they allow the people
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  to rationalize it in this case of zombies in john Wick, Oh everyone's an
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  Assassin's say, he's still shooting people of the face. And that's right where
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  I finished that That's why I really appreciate shows such as Barry, which is
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  from a back April sixteenth, because Barry really deals with what it means to
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  be an assassin and what it means to kill people, you know, and
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  the weight that that puts on someone, the true implications of killing the other
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  person, even if they're categorizes bad, good or another assassin, like what
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  does that mean? And one of my favorite films of last year, Baby
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  Assassins, which takes place at the universe field with assassins, but also really
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  you know, I think it is like the movie that John Wick and a
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  lot of other films are really attempting to be, you know, to really
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  show what it means to live in a nihilistic universe. Check out Baby Assassins.
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  It's getting a sequel. It's a Japanese I think Japanese film is a
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  foreign film. Beautiful, incredible movie. Check it. I'm not sure man,
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  I found it. You know something. I think I paid for the
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  stream, like it's one of the ones. I don't know if it's on
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  anything yet. Many it's getting a sequel, so it's sometimes you're someone's going
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  to buy it, getting money from someplace. Yeah, because it's getting a
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  sequel, and it's so fire. The action, it's just incredible. Audi
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  want Spoiledy Moore about the movie fucking so so so. Now that we gave
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  my thoughts overall about this season and what, you know, the comparisons and
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  all that, let's talk about the things we liked about the finale episode of
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  the Last of Us. Joel trying to reach Ellie at the beginning of the
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  episode there broke my heart, Like Joel become the terminator is what I called
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  it, because no, no, no, that's later, No, that's
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  later. That the beginning before this, before this is okay because I you
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  know, I'm gonna talking about things I really like, because um, it
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  was the beginning when Joel was trying to reach Ellie, when Ellie was just
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  sitting there is so much silence her head when she's in her head, you
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  know, and she's just trying to cope with what she's been through. I
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  mean, even when she's been there is verbiage like when she says, you
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  know, everything I've been through, everything I've done, you know this has
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  to mean something. Oh my god, yeah that I agree. Just just
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  to go to the as you say that the mental emotional part about him finding
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  her. Yes, that was that. I'm glad you mentioned that actually because
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  that was one note I did not put. But that that was once again
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  beautiful, like how throughout all the pain of the last episode, how it
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  ended was the whole baby girl stuff and that was heartbreaking. And then to
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  see like now it's like night and it was really like night and day.
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  I felt with Joel like I saw the brightness and the literal light back in
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  his in his aura like as he was like hey, Ellie, like he
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  was like cheery, damn near I was, hey, look I found some
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  Jeff Wayard like he was like he found like he I told you, he
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  the clouds, the fog of war lifted and he found himself or that piece
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  of himself once again and saw it within Ellie. He even said as much
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  to her. He was just what did he say specific? He was just
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  like, um, I didn't have anything to live for. To to that
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  effect, He's like, I didn't have any live for. He didn't say
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  until I found you, he implied it, and she just looked at him
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  and they understood. But and it's towards your whole point of like that that
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  finding Ellie that finding what his driver to wake up right, to wake up
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  from that that fog of just being not of detaching from humanity, throwing kids
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  in the fire, and I thinking twice about it, you know, popping
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  people whatever, you know, like he thought of it, and like,
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  you know, having the he saw a change when he had the fear of
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  losing her. I can't do this. Let me my brother take you,
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  because I you know, I don't lose you. I'm a uh yeah,
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  And like because he knows what Ellie is now going through, Like he doesn't
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  know what happened in that room, but he knows it's enough to have driven
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  her down that path that he's already been on. And so he's doing his
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  damn this as a father figure to keep her from going down that path and
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  failing miserably through most of the episode. And that's what I just It was
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  heartbreaking, but I loved it. It was just once again Pedro and Bella
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  like and then even Bella when she stands up from the back of the truck
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  she's sitting on and this woman has grown over the shooting of this series and
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  then even from knowing it from Game of Thrones, and I'm like, damn,
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  sure he's tall now, like you know she's and it's like she's grown
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  and it's like you know, you're we're going on that same journey that Joel
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  is going on with her, and it's just incredibly well done. Imperfect casting
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  honestly because the timing of seeing you know, Bella grow into herself as Ellie
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  grows into herself, it's fucking incredible, Like yeah, it's it's it's it
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  isn't it's impactful. And also talking about casting, whoever casts her mom that
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  Literally at first I was like, is this a flash right being pregnant,
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  but like yeah, I was like, god, damn, they look like
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  twins. Like that is Ellie her mom spit out Ellie or her casting mom
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  spit her out. I was like, who is that? Come to find
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  her? Right? That is Bella's mom or something? Right, you know
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  right, Well find out later. But like I just wanted to make that
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  mention about the castle that was impeccable. I was just like, god,
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  I thought that was Ellie grown up. But to see the whole flashback that
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  was and that was something else I would say was cool to see just the
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  flashback of Ellie coming into the world, and exactly what and you imply a
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  lot, but exactly what happened to make her immune and that whole process of
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  her being born and right away her mom getting popped by Marline and you know,
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  her mom said, oh, well I cut the chord, right,
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  you know, right before it got bit. I think it happened at the
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  same time. Right, No, that's no, she didn't cut her before
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  and she got bit and then she cut it. Yeah, why Elie is
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  immune is still a mystery. Well right, I'm just saying because and we're
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  gonna just put pseudo science behind it, right, something about being an infant
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  and you know maybe but something about you know, infancy and you know how
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  like they say things like, um, what are the special cells, like
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  the special cells that babies have that can help like heal people and stuff like
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  that. Stem cells, the stem cells. It's something about that. And
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  again I'm not a scientist, and maybe someone who is in the science of
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  the world can tell me. But it's something about that state of being a
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  human where like, you know, how how for example, how mothers could
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  pass on immunities to their child and stuff like that. So I think I
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  had something to do with that, Um, because they were still attached when
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  she got bit, and maybe there was some quarter steps stuff happening. But
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  then as a child, because your body's not fully your brain's not fully developed,
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  and it linked up and to your point, at the end of the
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  day, it's still exactly how she just had the right genes at the right
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  time, I guess, but the but the point is to see generally what
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  happened to be Elly to where she is now was really cool. Um.
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  And then the decision, the heartbreaking decision Marlene had to make, Like Marlene
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  did not want to do that shit. She her mom was like, bro,
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  at least my mom was like, bro kill me. Okay, Allie,
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  okay, you know. And and then Morley was like, bro,
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  I've known you since forever or you told talking about it, but could you
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  do that? Could you do that? Probably not if your first that you
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  grew up with m and he's in a situation they said, but they said,
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  I you know me, I love you, I need this do it,
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  And that one I loved. But I also felt like the writing there
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  goes back to that thing that I have about the show where it's a little
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  bit on the nose when she's like I won't kill you. I just felt
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  like, you don't even need to say that. You walk away and yeah,
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  and then you know, and then she streams at you and then you
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  have to do it. You come back and do it. But when she's
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  like, I won't kill you, that's what it just it took me out
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  and I was like, oh, this doesn't It was needless yeah, needless
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  yeah, And that's this show has fallen on that clutch, I mean crutch
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  a lot. Yeah, and then the other crutch of just you know,
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  ridiculous violence that you know the show falls on as well. But overall,
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  I thought that scene was exceptional. It was just that one lie where I
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  was like, oh man, you don't need to do this. And it's
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  not that one line. It's said over the s season. They've done that
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  so much. It's on a those dialogue where I'm like, oh, here
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  we go again, and once again, I have to say. This goes
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  back to I'm gonna call it the benamine doctrine from the beginning, like the
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  humanistic the humanity stories are more intriguing than the violent parts, and the people
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  kill each other and double across each other, like those are the parts where
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  I look up like, I'm really into it the most that Jelly Jelly,
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  Ellie and Joe Jelly. I love it Ellie and Joel, the Jelly twins,
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  when you know, when they're coping with their personal traumas and coming into
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  their own and coming into understand they love each other like that story powerful,
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  the story of Ellie's mom in that whole situation, my lean powerful building,
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  Frank obviously powerful. Like those things, those areas and scenarios of not just
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  trauma, but the negotiation in life. That's what wiles me up. When
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  I'm like, oh man, this some good shit, some good but what
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  Ramsey say? Final finally some delicious fucking food. That's how I feel about.
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  Find some delicious fucking series, some show, some TV and and the
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  then want to get to the typical stuff, the pattern. Then I'm like,
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  all right, who cares? You know? This is the fifth Rader
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  that came to kill and all right whatever, like and Joe Joel determinator,
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  all right, this is you know right well listen that that that goes something
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  I actually like, we both did loved it, but but but and and
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  it's a caveat there and I'll get to the caveat when we get to things
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  we don't like, but the things I liked, Yes, Joel become a
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  determinator. My god, when I say a one man army, and that
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  was straight up pure and again never played the game, but I imagine that
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  was pure video game. The way he was going, like it man,
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  going through all the levels, picking up different weapons, you know, like
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  like until empty and then switching weapons out, like just doing what you need
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  to do, like the straight terminator approach was was fired me just from a
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  oh that's cool standpoint, like nothing was going to stop it from getting his
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  baby, his baby, and I mean and and it was just like he
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  got again this is game Like he got op level, op level, dodge,
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  op level, targeting op level like look like everything everything, everything went
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  to ninety nine and he was in perpetual limit break the entire time it took
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  him to get to the pediatric surgery center like that was and I believe it.
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  And I was sitting there like this is this is He had on the
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  Godwings behind him and it was just going and I was just like I was
• 22:48
  like, oh, go go, you know what I'm saying. So I
• 22:49
  was in it. I was with it all the way. It was so
• 22:52
  well done, so well shot, you know, Joel, I mean,
• 22:56
  Pedro's at thing, just the way fear. The cinematography of that scene was
• 23:02
  beautiful, like how he's doing it. One shot, you know, blow?
• 23:04
  Do you see the bullet drop? One shot? Blow, bullet drop?
• 23:07
  And then you know she was the dude through the glass. You know,
• 23:11
  dude comes around the corner blasting Joe. One shot fear, No hesitational
• 23:15
  and that's what made it so cold. There was no hesitation, and that's
• 23:19
  usually what killed what trips up people in situations like that, because they hesitated,
• 23:23
  they double they they double guessing themselves, double questions. No pop,
• 23:26
  pop move, move, move, dude, you get the information you need?
• 23:30
  Pop going. The person put down the gun all slowly, he was
• 23:33
  like, and Joe was like, okay, pop, I kept moving that.
• 23:36
  I was dying laughing because you know me, y'all know me, who's
• 23:38
  been listening to me popping first. I don't want to hear no questions.
• 23:41
  I don't want to hear no old o, no nah no. You was
• 23:45
  the ops. You're you gotta go. You was just trying to kill me,
• 23:49
  fam You're done. The only people who got away was to the two
• 23:52
  nurses or the desistance, whatever they were. Um, I might have popped
• 23:57
  in both from the back of the head too. I was actually questioning,
• 24:00
  why did he slow that down? Ye wasn't because they were women, because
• 24:04
  I don't see any besides Marlene. I didn't see any other women. He
• 24:07
  shot, and he shot and they weren't and the women weren't armed. He
• 24:11
  clearly shot the doctor. And I'm just thinking, hey, because the doctors
• 24:15
  are threat I was just like, damn, there's not a lot doctors in
• 24:17
  the world, sir. But I mean, man step up like he thought
• 24:21
  he was gonna but he was unarmed. But I just thought he picked up
• 24:23
  the stapel he picked up. Yes, he had a handgun. Hey,
• 24:29
  fam, I ain't got time for this ship. You picked up a weapon.
• 24:32
  Oh that's like you coming at me with a butter knife. I know,
• 24:36
  but I'm gonna shoot you. I'm gonna hit you. And if I
• 24:38
  let you hit me, you might stab me. I didn't see him come
• 24:41
  at home. He wait for the stapel. He right, is a butter
• 24:45
  knife Comparatively, it doesn't matter. Once again, okay, I have two
• 24:49
  choices in the situation. I can wait for you to get close so I
• 24:52
  can hit you with my butter my gun and knock you out, in which
• 24:55
  case you could stab me with the stap on it's over, or I can
• 24:57
  shoot you. Would it really be over? It's just a that will open
• 25:02
  your ass up real real quick. Don't don't sleep. Don't sleep. That
• 25:07
  shit will open your ass up. Yeah, that's a razor, you know.
• 25:11
  I mean, the man says Jack the ripper. My god, I
• 25:14
  don't I'm not waiting to find out. Don't pick nigga. What would you
• 25:18
  think and you heard all those guns shots? What would you think. I'm
• 25:21
  not gonna let you take her. I mean, I don't give a shit
• 25:25
  what you got. You said, I'm not gonna word now what I mean.
• 25:29
  When he walked in the room, I had an anime level moment because
• 25:33
  I had a death no level moment. As soon as Joe room, it
• 25:36
  froze for me and I started thinking like light. I was like, well,
• 25:38
  I gotta kill this doctors because he's a real threat, and not because
• 25:41
  of the scalpel, but because he has the smarts to know how, and
• 25:45
  if I don't get rid of him, Like I literally sat there and had
• 25:47
  a whole conversation our long conversation within five seconds about like an anime about why
• 25:53
  this guy gotta go. I wasn't even think about the goddamn scalpel, and
• 25:56
  I even know it was there. Honestly, I had none of that.
• 26:00
  I had my man said, I'm not gonna black you know that was like
• 26:03
  that was it? Like, there's no I'm not grown in this situation.
• 26:07
  Dog? Now what about? So what about the guy who actually slowly put
• 26:10
  down the dog? You know, I agree, I would down. I
• 26:15
  agree with the choice, But I'm saying, why, so why did Joe
• 26:18
  shoot that one? If you claim I thought the doctors didn't, wasn't because
• 26:22
  he was. So what about this guy? Because dude, even if I
• 26:26
  get your gun once again, I ain't got time for this shit, right,
• 26:30
  you know, like you was just trying to shoot me. Okay,
• 26:32
  So once again, I can either stand there and try and get the gun
• 26:34
  away from you, or I can turn my back on you and you shoot
• 26:37
  me, or I let you go. You go around, says, get
• 26:38
  your hands. But when both of y'all come back and you don't even have
• 26:41
  to get that far, because if I try and get the gun away from
• 26:42
  you, that should be a problem. You might get my gun, you
• 26:45
  know, et cetera. Black, there ain't no time for this ship.
• 26:48
  I don't know you. I mean, Joe said it at the beginning when
• 26:52
  he started shooting. I don't have time for this. I don't have time.
• 26:55
  He did say that, and that, and that is playing his actions
• 26:59
  through out there the rest of the murder spree Chef's kiss and again, that's
• 27:02
  what that is, my m O. From the beginning of this world.
• 27:07
  Yes, for this ship in the stipery, and that's what I mean.
• 27:11
  So sooner dude said, I don't I'm not gonna black. I ain't got
• 27:15
  time for you to finish your fucking sentence. Nigga, there's no arguing me.
• 27:18
  There's no discussion here. You heard the many people I just shot to
• 27:22
  get to your family, like you heard them dying. What were you did?
• 27:26
  I don't think they heard in the in the in the oar, but
• 27:29
  I think, yeah, the gunshots is mad loud, fam you heard it
• 27:32
  through hell, but it was moving like nothing happened. That's why I don't
• 27:34
  know what they heard. They was hoping shit wasn't gonna go down. They
• 27:37
  was hoping that, you know, they could keep doing You know that yeah.
• 27:42
  No. They was hoping that Droel was one of them, dude,
• 27:44
  catching them hot ones. You know, I'm like, that's what. Yeah,
• 27:47
  Like they didn't know, they didn't know exactly what was going down,
• 27:49
  but the new hot ones was going down. They was already you know,
• 27:52
  perpetority for surgery. They gotta go through it at that point, like that's
• 27:55
  true, you know, and they're trying to save the world, you know,
• 27:57
  my man, Oh my god, that's what that was. You know,
• 28:00
  that was that white man ego right there. That was that you know,
• 28:02
  I'm about to save the world. I'm not gonna let you blow.
• 28:06
  He wasn't saving shit. You couldn't even save your own damn mass And And
• 28:10
  like I said, this is this is this is god level targeting because it
• 28:12
  was head shots, it was hedo. It was like, it's no getting
• 28:15
  back up after that. No, no, no, they showed you that
• 28:18
  doctor. You know, they were like, look look at the doctor's brains
• 28:21
  on the ground. Who was thinking about saving the world than brains? You
• 28:23
  know what he said? He said, do you feel you're in charge?
• 28:30
  Oh man? Whatever you like? I love the drafts. I love the
• 28:34
  drafts are my favorite one of my favorite animals and that was just really Remember
• 28:38
  I talked about one of the beautiful things about these postal apocalyptic stories is when
• 28:44
  they showed nature reclaiming the world, and that happened slightly during the pandemic when
• 28:48
  the pandemic first started, where like there were sections of certain cities, you
• 28:52
  know, more so of the South, the sections where like the animals was
• 28:55
  coming back and overrunning areas where it was quiet. And I'm like, and
• 28:57
  also, technically, how quick that shit would happen, Like if everything stopped
• 29:00
  right now, technically nature will come back fast as fucking just starting over.
• 29:06
  Yeah, Like it would be stuff covered, you know. And and obviously
• 29:08
  you know that being they were in Kansas City, so you know they got
• 29:11
  out of the bazoo or something, and you know they roam in the grounds
• 29:15
  and you know that populating of the heard heard, heard, heard, Yeah,
• 29:22
  and it was a whole lake for carnivores. I guess heard this heard
• 29:32
  of herbivores was you know, it was just beautiful, you know what.
• 29:40
  That reminds me of this And this is sidetrack, but I'll get back on
• 29:44
  track of the Jamie Fox Festival where he says he went to Africa he talks
• 29:48
  about the giraffe and how and it was so ridiculous about how he wanted to
• 29:52
  make love to the giraffecause it was so beautiful and he talked about the but
• 29:56
  anyway, I just watch it. But anyway, back on track, the
• 30:03
  part of Ellie being so enamored and and and just an awe like too,
• 30:10
  and I because I saw I'm gonna be the first time I really like be
• 30:11
  up into a drafts face that in real life. It's like, oh my
• 30:15
  god, you know, and I'm feeding in and this is God's creature in
• 30:18
  my face and oh my god, we're in paradise but in hell. Like
• 30:22
  that whole culmination, like that's a lot. And I just thought that was
• 30:26
  a sweet moment and a sweet moment between the two, like it was in
• 30:30
  fucking great adventure in a safari feeding the animal right, Like it was cute,
• 30:34
  it was nice, it was beautiful, and it was like, that's
• 30:37
  that moment that Ellie starts to recover from the charma that she's been through,
• 30:41
  like you know, begins that long journey back from where she's been through.
• 30:45
  And Joel sees that and he's just overjoyed to know that there's something that can
• 30:51
  bring his you know, daughter back to him. And then you know,
• 30:55
  right after that, we see him being like, you know, we'll cheer
• 30:56
  me up in some you know, the old limericks again or you know puns,
• 31:00
  yeah, push puns, yeah, the bad puns. And then they're
• 31:04
  back on track. You know, because Ellie's a child, that she will
• 31:07
  recover from what she's been through, like right, And that's not to say
• 31:11
  that, you know, people are like, oh, kids will recover.
• 31:12
  No, just the kids have more time on the earth to recover from what
• 31:15
  they've been through. Not the kids are any more resilient, you know,
• 31:18
  they just have more time. Yeah, they have more time, you know,
• 31:21
  and because things are always new to them, so it's like every you
• 31:25
  know, even if they go through something traumatic, they can go through something
• 31:27
  else. It's so bright, you know, seeing the draft that to them
• 31:30
  it's like, oh what the fuck, you know, like you know,
• 31:33
  so like, yeah, they don't have those experiences. Yeah you could get
• 31:37
  yourself killed. Like Ellie just went through some ship where burning off is not
• 31:41
  the right thing to do, obviously, and she knows that, but you
• 31:45
  know, she's a child, and it's like that wonder is still there.
• 31:48
  So that was you know, that was amazing and judge you by the internet,
• 31:52
  more people need a little more wonder in their lives folds because wow,
• 31:56
  you know, but that's a whole story. No, I know you wanted
• 32:00
  to go into something else you liked right there. Yeah, yeah, but
• 32:02
  but you could continue if you want to know that. Okay, that that
• 32:07
  what you said actually sequentially led into the next part because you mentioned, you
• 32:10
  know, they're saying the pluns and stuff, and I always fought characters were
• 32:15
  doing this, but I did it as a as an audience false sense of
• 32:20
  security. Oh, I mean, I forgot where the fuck they were for
• 32:24
  a second, and that was enough, because they forgot where the fuck they
• 32:29
  were. And Joel is his happy, go lucky Joel. He ain't paying
• 32:31
  attention like you know, he's not on ten like he should be. And
• 32:37
  this goes back to what I said about that I liked about the series overall,
• 32:39
  keeping me in the state of fear, the ways that fireflies crept up
• 32:43
  on them like I was focused on them, and the cinematography again, the
• 32:46
  way you saw you didn't see the people. You saw the blur them,
• 32:50
  so they kind of blended in with the background at first, but then you
• 32:52
  saw the humanoid figures. I said, wait, there's somebody behind And when
• 32:58
  they threw that goddamn flat, first of all thought it was a grenade,
• 33:00
  and I said, these niggas, this is dead. Then I said,
• 33:02
  well I'm going to shake, you know, I play games. I'm like,
• 33:05
  wait, that's a flashman. And then for them to be down,
• 33:07
  I said, oh no, and I knew it was I knew it was
• 33:09
  the Fireflights at that point, but I was just like for them to get
• 33:14
  crept on, like, I was like literally all that. I don't know
• 33:16
  if you ever been in that situation where you get so scared, like the
• 33:19
  blood rushes out of like your extremities and you just get you feel like like
• 33:23
  you're sinking almost. I got that feeling, and I was just like,
• 33:28
  this is how the niggas go out, Like we just saw some goddamn giraffes
• 33:30
  and this is how these niggas go Like. I was just like, how
• 33:35
  are they gonna do this to me? And then they didn't, but to
• 33:37
  me just again, good writing, good good direction. I really like that.
• 33:44
  That yeah, no, that part, yeah, exceptional direction. You
• 33:49
  know how they get taken out all that I didn't. I didn't had that
• 33:52
  fear because you know, I was like, oh no, it's a flashman,
• 33:53
  ain't gonna you know, and I know at this point they're not gonna
• 33:55
  blow these too. It was a grenade like do you overhear Saint Limericks,
• 34:00
  she saying, and a fucking I U D U d I E ed pops
• 34:04
  out of nowhere, like come on, man, Like I just it was
• 34:07
  too much because I was so happy because and that's the thing when I say
• 34:10
  I did what the character do, which is going at false as the security.
• 34:14
  I'm like Joe, man, he's coming he's you know, he ain't
• 34:16
  down bad no more. He's coming up. He's he's you know, he's
• 34:19
  getting back to what it means to love and care. And there goes a
• 34:22
  flashman and there. But I just knew that they were, you know all
• 34:27
  right. I was like, oh, yeah, they're gonna be blown apart.
• 34:29
  I don't know what. No. I thought that. I was like,
• 34:30
  god, damn, that is how it happens, my god. Um.
• 34:36
  And then lastly, I think my things I liked. I think overall
• 34:39
  I liked Marlin. I think I liked that she similar to um Sylvie and
• 34:45
  Loki that regardless of what people said or thought or disagree with the audience or
• 34:51
  otherwise, She's just followed through with what she came there to do. I
• 34:55
  didn't want to kill my friend. My friend said, Okay, I had
• 34:58
  to do it. My friend said, per saved, but this is for
• 35:00
  the betterment of I gotta do it. Like right, wrong, you agree,
• 35:06
  disagree with her, She just stayed true to her mission and I respect
• 35:10
  that. So I think overall, like Marline, like you something. That
• 35:14
  dialogue was kind of hackey, but I still I still like I like Marline
• 35:19
  a lot, and I think that was That's was the choice that I know
• 35:22
  that a lot of people had a conflict about. And Bella said that this
• 35:27
  episode is to be quite controversial because it was quite controversial in the game,
• 35:31
  right when you're faced with that choice, and I'm not sure how it goes
• 35:36
  in the game, like if you can actually make the choice, you know,
• 35:38
  kill Ellie or let Ellie live. But Ellie survives either way obviously into
• 35:44
  the second game, and that becomes a big source of conflict with you,
• 35:47
  I mean, with Joel and Ellie in the second game, because you get
• 35:52
  to play with both throughout you know, both of the games, so it's
• 35:53
  not like you're either character, you're just their story. So they have a
• 35:58
  huge source of conflict. And even at the end of the episode when Ellie
• 36:00
  takes that, you know, okay, it's we know that that's not the
• 36:04
  end of that, and we know that Ellie knows that more than what Joel
• 36:07
  was telling her went down there, and we know that's trying to come back
• 36:10
  up at some point and cause more conflict for these two characters. So I
• 36:15
  thought that was cool. I like that, you know. I thought the
• 36:17
  ending was kind of I guess this is where I think that's pretty much it.
• 36:22
  Yeah, so things that we didn't like. I thought the ending was
• 36:27
  one of those things. I actually had to go run to the wiki because
• 36:30
  I had not done this yet because I didn't want to spoil myself, but
• 36:31
  I wanted to know this this is how the game ends, and the game
• 36:35
  ends pretty much it's that same way, but then approaching the town and Ellie
• 36:38
  questioning him, I mean questioning Joel, and Joel saying nah, you know,
• 36:44
  it's basically the Godfather ending of the first job Father, which is a
• 36:46
  bit of a spoiler for fifty sixty year old movie. I can't remember that
• 36:51
  at this point, but it it the end of The First job Father,
• 36:52
  which was recreated in Luke Cage season two. At the end of The First
• 36:57
  job Father, Michael Corleone had become the Godfather after his father died and after
• 37:02
  his father did not want him to be that. He was trying to keep
• 37:06
  Michael out of the business, but his other two sons were not capable of
• 37:09
  taking it on, and Michael was the vicious, ill old dude. So
• 37:15
  he becomes the godfather and his wife comes in. You know, he's just
• 37:20
  ordered the murder of like ten people. His wife comes in and asked him
• 37:23
  about the business, and he tells her this one time, just one time,
• 37:28
  I'll let you ask me about my business. Michael, Michael, did
• 37:30
  you ever kill anyone? Michael, No, since her asked, since her
• 37:37
  asked out of the room. And then the trail of other mile bosses comes
• 37:42
  in the room to kiss his finger and he closes the door on her.
• 37:45
  So that was basically Joel right there. You know, Joel's like that I
• 37:49
  killed nah nah shortly. You know you know what happened, you know,
• 37:51
  I just you know, do you know things happened. How to get you
• 37:54
  up out of that? Yeah, like and and let me because no one
• 37:59
  has to explain them hannocks of this to me and why I was written his
• 38:01
  winning and as you said, that's how the game and you don't explain that
• 38:05
  game ends. You don't have to explain that to me. I still the
• 38:07
  ending bother me because of this abruptness. Yeah, and that's my design.
• 38:14
  Sure, I fucking hate abrupt type endings like that because and I get it,
• 38:21
  there's and I don't know if that was playing at the time when this
• 38:22
  game first came out, and maybe it was, but like, I get
• 38:24
  it, you're just leading up to the next story. But I hate that.
• 38:28
  I hate the because it wasn't a This goes back to why I told
• 38:32
  you about how as structurally sound in this series is I never felt good half
• 38:38
  the time. It's one of those I'm talking about the series. Okay,
• 38:44
  well I do I mean that that led to the abrupt ending of what I'm
• 38:46
  talking about. Generally speaking from a mechanical standpoint, I don't have a problem
• 38:51
  with this series, but it's just stuff like that where I'm just like,
• 38:53
  it doesn't make me feel good. There's just so many things. Like when
• 38:57
  I said before about it's not a bad episode, I just didn't feel good
• 39:00
  at it. It's another thing where I'm like I just don't feel that.
• 39:01
  I'm like what, Like I was like, where's the rest of the episode?
• 39:05
  Like it just felt short even And I don't know because I was just
• 39:08
  it was just so much dramatics with him going through the building and you know,
• 39:14
  doing the taking. But I just I was like, how right?
• 39:17
  And and and I'm gonna mention this before. I'm just gonna mention this later
• 39:22
  I mentioned now like the lying, like the level of lying that's happening,
• 39:27
  or misdirection or or changing of reality sense like that, you know that that
• 39:36
  bothered me deeply. And and and it's clear Ellie knows as Nigga as lying,
• 39:40
  like at least to me, I see the energies and the power And
• 39:44
  because they're so both great actors, the type of information and communication that they
• 39:47
  can infer with just their eyes and their tonality and their face, you know,
• 39:52
  just a twitch or whatever. It is, like they don't have to
• 39:54
  saything, but the type the way that they can convey what they're feeling without
• 39:59
  speaking, it is clear as day in my view, Ellie was like,
• 40:02
  God, damn, you lie to my face. You even swore on it
• 40:05
  and still holding it. Damn Right, So it like puts her in a
• 40:08
  different like she was like to go from trauma to not really be a snap
• 40:14
  out of the trauma, but finding some light in that trauma, to then
• 40:16
  pure trauma again, like how do you come back from that? You can?
• 40:22
  And the one person in this world that you said, I will follow
• 40:25
  you to the ends of the earth, that's what I was just like,
• 40:29
  oh, gut punch again because I'm just like what But then yes, maybe
• 40:34
  to your further to your other point about structurally that that's why I fell a
• 40:37
  brough. I'm just like, where's the rest of the story? And all
• 40:39
  right, one you cannot plan for a sequel, you know. That's that's
• 40:45
  people do cliffhand It's not fair, but people do that a lot. Well.
• 40:47
  But if you have a cliffhanger, you know you're getting a sequel,
• 40:51
  right, Some people have very ego big eagles. That's more of a recent
• 40:58
  thing because back in the dayear and I could do with a cliffhanger, you
• 41:00
  know, like ending, you wouldn't have a cliffhanger ending on your movie,
• 41:02
  like, okay, let's say back to the future, right, it doesn't
• 41:05
  have a cliff anger, and then movie ends, and then it has the
• 41:07
  tease of more adventures. Correct, But that doesn't have to ever go anywhere
• 41:13
  or could go a million different ways. It's a closed yeah, two could
• 41:16
  have been a million different movies. You know, it doesn't you know,
• 41:20
  because they didn't know at that time. They're just like, well, let's
• 41:22
  just tease something, you know, just in case this is a hit.
• 41:24
  But if it's not, no one thinks about it. But this is you
• 41:28
  know, Last of Us was not designed where it's like they knew they were
• 41:30
  gonna get a sequel, or that there would even be a sequel. It
• 41:34
  was going to be this was the story back to john Wick, which was
• 41:37
  the story, right, And so it's like you're saying, they built this
• 41:40
  game, this is the first part purposefully like this, this is how it
• 41:45
  ends, and this is what they thought that their story was done. And
• 41:49
  once again, because it's a game, and people have said this in the
• 41:51
  comments, they feel like this series, this season could have even been two
• 41:54
  seasons. I'm I'm not sure, Yeah, I don't know. There might
• 42:00
  have been more in the game. You could have fleshed out more and maybe
• 42:01
  then we could have gotten an episode with the Black Kids, you know,
• 42:05
  an episode here and there. But at the same time that might have been
• 42:07
  just it might have been dragging. It might have been dragging it. But
• 42:10
  I think because when you're playing a game, you're getting a different experience,
• 42:14
  and the emotional climax of that fireflight scene scene being in it as Joel killing
• 42:20
  all these people, saving Ellie and getting out of there with Ellie is trying
• 42:23
  to hit different And so when it comes to this last moment and he lies
• 42:28
  to her, you might it might really hit you differently playing a game versus
• 42:32
  seeing it where structurally I felt it just felt a little rushed. It felt
• 42:36
  like, yeah, I didn't like that feeling at all. Bro. And
• 42:40
  also people got to remember when you're gaming, like not only did a different
• 42:45
  experience just just physical the different physical experience is different visceral experiences. You literally
• 42:50
  can pose it. You can and almost usually any time or there's checkpoints you
• 42:54
  could pick up where you left off and stuff like that, like you can
• 42:58
  take yourself out for a minute, take like that's the other thing like that
• 43:02
  through that memo like that, it's sometimes to have to be And when I
• 43:08
  said and I don't mean in a negative way, but repetitive, it like
• 43:10
  the repetition has to happen because that's the nature of That's like one of the
• 43:15
  basic structures of a lot of gaming is repeating because you can't get there right
• 43:20
  now, and then so when you get there, the reward is even greater
• 43:22
  because you're sitting there like, yeah, I finally killed all them dudes and
• 43:27
  I got I grinded, I cleared that board or whatever, I got Ellie
• 43:30
  out of there, and now I get to hear this moment. Yeah,
• 43:34
  game over, you know. But for us it was like, well,
• 43:37
  Joel murders through this level and grabs helly like it's nothing, and then it's
• 43:40
  like game over and you're like, okay, I mean, man had wings,
• 43:46
  he had hicarous man's man's foot on that motherfucker. Uh what is it?
• 43:52
  Grandf auto When all the guns and armor and should just drop from the
• 43:54
  spout and he just chose that every one And it was like I ain't got
• 43:58
  mold, you know, he could see walls. Yeah, I was just
• 44:01
  like what, like, I know he was, he was good, but
• 44:04
  god damn, like where did this come from? And then once again goes
• 44:07
  back to that writing where you know, she's like, you made it across
• 44:09
  the country, I lost everybody. You're gonna kill all my people, you
• 44:14
  know dialogue, it's like, we get it. He's a bad assholet But
• 44:21
  and then that I know that was something we liked and we disliked. Was
• 44:23
  Joel murdering through everybody? Yeah I had it on both times. Yeah,
• 44:28
  me too. I didn't write a both time because there is there and also
• 44:32
  just the and and more so for me, the the selfishness of it.
• 44:37
  Right, that's really so when she told him, and first of all,
• 44:42
  I understand why. Okay, ye understand, like we got there. We
• 44:45
  did this under the guise of doing something good for Hi, Mandy. Marlene
• 44:50
  never told me that we're gonna have to essentially kill Ellie to make this work.
• 44:53
  You never told me this. You lied. You didn't you lied biomission
• 44:57
  right, You didn't tell Ellie what you was doing. You just took her
• 44:59
  in for like you know what I mean, like all this stuff's happening,
• 45:02
  that's not what the what the assumed bargain was right there, assumed bargain.
• 45:07
  And you know you made assumptions and what do they say, you make an
• 45:10
  ass out of you and me? Whatever made the assumption that, oh,
• 45:14
  it's gonna do some blood SHITU was you know she's gonna be alive? Nothing
• 45:15
  like, oh, Court of Steps growing the goddamn brain and to do anything
• 45:21
  with it you gotta basically go on the brain. You will kill the person.
• 45:22
  There's no coming back that. So you're not thinking about that. You're
• 45:24
  like, oh, there's some new age shit that they could do. Okay,
• 45:28
  fine, No one said to the contrary, right, Marlene didn't say
• 45:32
  that, like and no, Marlene knew from jump, so I understood why
• 45:36
  Joe flipped out, Like, bro, you lied me. However, when
• 45:38
  Marlene explained what was going on, Joe made the decision of I don't give
• 45:43
  a fuck. That's my daughter, right, And even prior to that,
• 45:47
  remember prior to that in the same episode when Joe was like when after they
• 45:52
  was looking at drafts and ship, Joe was like, hey, yo,
• 45:54
  let's just go back home to Jackson Hole and rightfully, and I get it.
• 45:58
  Ellie was like this would have been for nothing, Like we got all
• 46:01
  the way here for nothing. All the things I've done, all the things
• 46:04
  I've been through the people we've killed, Like, she's still human, right,
• 46:07
  Like I can't just let that be for nothing at the end of the
• 46:10
  day, right fine, And she said that Joe Joe had that in his
• 46:15
  head and even after listening to Marline, it was just the way of being
• 46:21
  lied to. And I want what I want, which is my daughter,
• 46:23
  Ellie, my new daughter Ellie. That was enough for him to say,
• 46:27
  fuck y'all, I'm humanity. So that's what I mean for me when I
• 46:30
  was just like, I also, as much as I loved it, I
• 46:31
  also didn't like it because like, you made a unit of decision based on
• 46:36
  your own selfishness and that you could say it is love, but it was
• 46:38
  selfish love. And that's the thing that comes in the game, is like,
• 46:42
  that's the difficult decision that everyone's faced with, and it's one of those
• 46:46
  things that most people are gonna choose to save Ellie. You know, they're
• 46:49
  could be like, no, that's my daughter, that's my favorite because I
• 46:52
  don't fool him. But at the same time, it's like, you just
• 46:55
  shot ten people at least, right, So those ten people's lives are worth
• 46:59
  less than this one, yes, because you just murdered them. Yes.
• 47:02
  Uh, Kathleen asked the same question to Henry. It was your brother's life
• 47:07
  worth more than my than my brother that was the leader of whatever resistance,
• 47:09
  and I had yelled out yes, bitch. So you know, see I
• 47:14
  don't necessarily agree, and that's fine, and that's but that's a conundrum,
• 47:17
  right Yeah. It's like you don't agree in certain instances, you don't agree
• 47:22
  in certain contexts, you don't agree in certain scenarios. Whereas an expression just
• 47:24
  like I don't agree with you, you know what I'm saying, Like it
• 47:27
  always depends up scenario and how closely you know that character or person, how
• 47:30
  much they affect you, how much they're consequential to you. Right, so,
• 47:36
  and and that's the beauty of this show is that it makes you interrogate
• 47:39
  that and that, and that's when when when nah it happens, it works.
• 47:43
  Well. But yeah, so what happens next? Been on me?
• 47:49
  We get we know season two of Coming Down, that like episode two or
• 47:52
  three day announ season two was coming Um we already know that was part two
• 47:55
  of the game. Um, like you know, and and it's less of
• 47:59
  predictions with more questions like what's Joe wrong in lying to Ellie. I want
• 48:02
  to ask you that when when when he sat there and first of all the
• 48:06
  lies sounded like a lie, he was like, oh, yeah, the
• 48:07
  raiders came up. I said that the cat. That's big cat, bro
• 48:13
  cat. Because this is they crept up on you. The fireflight kept up
• 48:17
  in you. And and notice remember it was always Princess is another castle every
• 48:22
  turn. This time it was severe firefly central. Fine, really it was
• 48:29
  cat and it felt capped. And he was like yeah. And if then
• 48:32
  Nigga said, oh, I would have been like you lying, you know
• 48:35
  what I mean. So but but to my question to you, what's Joel
• 48:39
  wrong in lying to Ellie? I mean, at that point, what else
• 48:44
  you gonna do? In your opinion? Though, oh yeah, I'd sell
• 48:49
  Yeah, I would have told them the truth. Look, there's gonna kill
• 48:51
  you. No, but he knows he can't tell the truth because Ellie is
• 48:53
  willing to sacrifice herself for the good of humanity. So what so what if
• 48:59
  he told her youth was said they were going to kill you, YadA,
• 49:00
  yamen, and I killed them all. You're a monster, Joel, and
• 49:05
  she would have dipped out on him. She's gonna another doctor. The doctor
• 49:08
  could do this, but there's obviously more because you know, Marlene said that,
• 49:12
  you know, there's you know, there's others. You know, he's
• 49:14
  the only doctor. Yeah, did she really say that? Yeah, she
• 49:16
  said, even after if you've done, there's still a way out of this
• 49:19
  droll. Well, she said, it's the way out. She didn't say
• 49:21
  there were others. I thought he made that up. No, No,
• 49:23
  no, he was saying he made dozens of others. He made that,
• 49:27
  he said, he said, he said there's dozens of other infected that were
• 49:31
  immune. Yeah, and I said, who said that? That part?
• 49:35
  That parts a lot. But there are obviously other doctors, and there's people
• 49:38
  who are doing research and trying to figure this out. And Marley probably have
• 49:42
  a whole circuit of people, probably one fucking doctor, especially as dumb as
• 49:45
  that dude was, you know what I mean. So there's gotta be others.
• 49:47
  Yeah, yeah, so no, but that's the problem. Like Joel
• 49:52
  wants what he wants, his selfish love, like everything is about replacing what
• 49:58
  he lost, and then he's gotta started getting creepy when he was talking to
• 50:01
  Ellie, and even Ellie felt it when he was talking to when he was
• 50:05
  walking back to Jackson Hoteling Ellie about how his daughter used to like Sarah right,
• 50:09
  how she used to love hiking and da da da dad, and I'm
• 50:12
  just like and then he tried to clean up and said, well, I'm
• 50:15
  not comparing her to you, but I'm like, it's kind of too late,
• 50:17
  and you're already making this conversation with me. I don't want to hear
• 50:21
  this. Yeah, it was weird. I think I know that in the
• 50:24
  game this droes out, but I think by the second season a lot of
• 50:28
  people are gonna hate Joel. You know, he's already starting. Yeah,
• 50:30
  I think it's already starting, and it's just didn't get worse. But once
• 50:34
  again, it's that thing like who would make that choice? A lot of
• 50:38
  people, you know, And this droves back to what I was sorry about
• 50:42
  earlier. On the Internet, you know, people say a lot of things
• 50:44
  on the Internet that they would not do in real life. And a lot
• 50:45
  of people were raised by the Internet, so they say these things because this
• 50:50
  is their only outlet and they can't say a lot of things in real life,
• 50:52
  so they'll feel like, yeah, I would kill Elipe. So the
• 50:55
  complications of the truth are worse than the implications of a lie the complication because
• 51:04
  if you said he told her the truth, literally, verbatable, that happened
• 51:07
  the complication. Yeah, but then there are future implications. Clearly, there's
• 51:12
  current implications already starting to form about this lie. Yes, And I'm just
• 51:16
  like, is this at the end of the day, are you gonna lose
• 51:19
  her worse or just the same as if you told her the truth? Was
• 51:23
  there was there a win win? No, it's a lose lose situation rather,
• 51:29
  but yeah, no, there's no win. There's it's lose. You're
• 51:31
  gonna lose in this situation. You're gonna lose Ellie. Eventually, the minute
• 51:35
  he decided to go terminated, it was like, all right, you made
• 51:36
  a decision. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, you know, because
• 51:38
  if you don't go terminator, you lose Ellie. So his his you know,
• 51:43
  either way, he's don't lose Ellie. And that's the thing. This
• 51:45
  is a no matter what. This is a story about fatherhood. You know,
• 51:47
  you're going to lose your daughter one way or the other. Your daughter
• 51:51
  is going to grow up, you know, And that's what Joel can't accept.
• 51:54
  Joel lost his daughter and he can't accept that. He's still not accepting
• 52:00
  that either way, he was going to lose Sarah, and you see that.
• 52:05
  Sorry John keeps coming up. But that was like my whole thing about
• 52:07
  John Wick, Right, His wife buys him this dog because she's dying and
• 52:12
  she wants John. She knows what a monster John is and she doesn't want
• 52:15
  him to go back to that light. His wife dies, the dog gets
• 52:19
  killed, and John's like, well, maybe I should honor her wishes or
• 52:22
  fuck it. You know, it's that selfishness of like, fuck it,
• 52:27
  let me go back to, you know, my monster hood, because I
• 52:30
  could just go get another damn dog. He went back to what he knew.
• 52:32
  And also, I mean, I'm listening. I don't want to get
• 52:36
  too much of the job like again, but we're gonna get into that more
• 52:38
  anyway. Did you did you notice the mirror of when Joel had Ellie in
• 52:45
  his arms and he was like taking her out, you know, take trying
• 52:49
  to get her out of the hospital and all this other stuff to when that
• 52:52
  when he had Sarah, when Sarah messed up her foot, her leg or
• 52:54
  whatever, and he was carrying her everywhere time like that exact mirror image.
• 52:59
  You know what I'm saying, and for him to essentially be in that same
• 53:02
  place and he felt like how he felt when he was in the field with
• 53:06
  that army guy where he said, remember he gets to the end the beginning,
• 53:07
  he was like, I did nothing. I should have did something.
• 53:09
  I froze. He turned for him to go under the legs of Ellie and
• 53:14
  shoot Marlin Like he's like, I'm redeeming myself of what I felt I should
• 53:17
  have done with my daughter. Yep, definitely, And once again it's that
• 53:22
  thing like you're going to lose these things, you know, and these things
• 53:28
  aren't meant to replace the things that you've already lost. But the type of
• 53:31
  loss is different. Man. It's definitely you said, your daughter growing up,
• 53:36
  okay, finding a life, marrying someone having Okay, that's the different
• 53:39
  type. And it's not true loss. It's it's a change, as a
• 53:44
  metamorphosis. You don't lose them. This is a different loss. This is
• 53:47
  life, you know, like you don't get to choose, You don't choose
• 53:52
  the time you have with things. You know, you get to appreciate the
• 53:57
  time you have with them. Then and once again, that goes back to
• 53:59
  the I went the dog gonna die, you know, but it's not about
• 54:01
  the bad dog favor. It's about like, you know, yes, the
• 54:05
  dog was taken from you, thought of why the symbolism, but eventually it's
• 54:09
  trying to be taken from you one way or the other. You know,
• 54:13
  like, no matter what, you could be like, well, I got
• 54:15
  to live this time at the amount of time don't matter because when it's taken
• 54:19
  from you, that grief gonna be the same. So it's like you gonna
• 54:22
  have to deal with it, you know, it don't matter you get one
• 54:24
  hundred, a thousand years or someone when when a thousand and one comes,
• 54:29
  you're gonna have to deal with it. And that's what Joel has not ever
• 54:31
  dealt with, you know. He's just like, well, here's my new
• 54:36
  daughter. You know. When we were going through this series and every you
• 54:39
  and everyone was kept talking about how tragic this shit is. Like most of
• 54:44
  the season, I thought there was gonna be a situation where Ellie was gonna
• 54:46
  kill Joel because like, yeah, because people were talking about betrayal, this
• 54:49
  isn't that, and I'm like, okay, donna kill. This episode is
• 54:52
  when I felt it the most on their way back to Jackson Hole because and
• 54:54
  I don't know if I was imagining shit once again? Was that the gallows
• 54:58
  they were building? Apparently they were, But if I was mad the shit
• 55:00
  or I really saw this, but I felt like as she was walking behind
• 55:04
  she was eyeing the gun on his hit. Yes, like should I take
• 55:07
  this nigga out now because I don't lie to me or whatever? Like I
• 55:10
  felt she was and she was behind him the whole time, and I was
• 55:14
  nervous once more. I was just like, is she gonna yeah? Because
• 55:17
  that's what, like I just said, that's life, you know. It's
• 55:20
  not about you know, how long you have or whatever. It's the The
• 55:23
  tragedy of life is what happens to these relationships as you go through them,
• 55:28
  you know. And that's the tragedy of the show. And that's what I
• 55:30
  knew. What was the most tragic part is about the show. It wasn't
• 55:32
  about that either of them we're gonna die. It was the fact that their
• 55:36
  relationship is doing to get broken. Because this is the story of life.
• 55:40
  And most relationships, you know, they end like you either lose someone or
• 55:45
  you lose them, but either way, you lose them. You know.
• 55:46
  That's just how it is. That's life. And that's the tragedy of it.
• 55:51
  And that's why it's about appreciating every moment you have with these things and
• 55:55
  not being like, well now I need a replacement or I gotta go back
• 56:00
  to the way I was, because you know, this is all I had
• 56:01
  of that person. Like, that's not what it's about. Fam you know,
• 56:06
  you move forward, and you move forward and grow what endure and survive,
• 56:10
  you know, and that's what Joel is not the end game or the
• 56:15
  inshow comic book, and that's what Joel is not doing. Joel is enduring,
• 56:20
  but he's not surviving. You know, he's enduring what he's been through,
• 56:23
  but he's not surviving and growing and learning from what has happened and being
• 56:28
  like, well, yes I had a daughter. Yes she died you know
• 56:30
  early, but she could have died of cancer at two years old. She
• 56:34
  could have been hit by you know anything. I had all that time with
• 56:37
  my daughter. I thank God for that time, you know, because life
• 56:42
  is tragic. There's only one way out of this ship. So I imagine
• 56:46
  season two again, never pay a game. It's gonna be a time jump
• 56:49
  of some sort. She's gonna tell he's gonna be a little older, if
• 56:52
  not a little at least in her twenties or something like that, Like,
• 56:54
  um, I just because what she's fifteen fourteen fifteen? Now, I'm just
• 57:00
  like, what how do you move forward with this person who, like,
• 57:05
  you know, it's just like you just kind of have this in your back
• 57:06
  ahead at all times. And it's like, at what point is going to
• 57:08
  be the right time? Because you talk about he's not gonna survive, not
• 57:12
  with Ellie. No, Ellie's not gonna let that stand. You will not
• 57:15
  allow it for for too long. It's like she's gonna wait for the perfect
• 57:19
  moment. And when I say perfect moment, not like you're premeditating, but
• 57:22
  I'm just like, what is it gonna be? It's like gonna be something
• 57:24
  a situational where it's like you gotta get a decision. She's just gonna pop
• 57:28
  Joe. Like that's why I'm trying to understand. No, I don't need
• 57:30
  she gonna pop him. It's just gonna be a natural thing where she's gonna
• 57:32
  move away from him, just like a father daughter relationship. Okay, Like
• 57:37
  Ellie's trying to grow into a woman, meet other people. Things are gonna
• 57:40
  happen and she's trying to move away from him. And just like any relationship,
• 57:44
  we all have people in our lives right where they do some dirty ship
• 57:46
  but that's been your homie forever or whatever, and you're like all right,
• 57:49
  but then eventually you're like, ah, man, they just keep sucking up.
• 57:52
  You know, I got to move on, and like they're enduring,
• 57:54
  but they ain't surviving, right, you know what I mean? So I
• 57:58
  gotta I'm surviving over here. I gotta keep moving, fam. I can't
• 58:00
  be that same person he wanted me to be for twenty years ago. Yeah,
• 58:04
  and that's what Ellie is like, I can't be Sarah fam. And
• 58:08
  not only that, Sarah wouldn't be Sarah's. See, that's what Joel is
• 58:15
  stuck on. Joel is stuck on having something that was never going to be
• 58:19
  there, and she's frozen and he has her frozen in time of How that
• 58:22
  was that perfect image? Oh, Sarah loved this, Sarah was this?
• 58:24
  Oh she had the best beautiful No. No, Sarah was growing into her
• 58:28
  own. Sarah was about to, you know, be like, you know,
• 58:30
  my dad ain't shit. He probably a Trump volder, you know what
• 58:32
  I mean, Like stupid buck, I keep saying that about Joel and Tommy,
• 58:37
  you know, like both of them are probably a lot more questionable people
• 58:40
  than we want to making them out to be, you know, because yeah,
• 58:43
  because we're following Ellie and we love Ellie so much, and he's saving
• 58:45
  her. But if the world hadn't gone to shit, I don't know if
• 58:49
  my politics or anything would have agreed with Joel's. And see what a violent
• 58:52
  sociopath this man is. I seriously doubt it, you know. So that's
• 58:59
  the thing. Goal was stuck on stupid, not sucking stupid, but he
• 59:01
  stuck on the time that you know, it's slightly stupid, but he's stuck
• 59:05
  on something, and a lot of people get like that. You know,
• 59:07
  it's like, no, this was taken from me at this time. You
• 59:09
  know, grief it's hard to deal with, you know, but like having
• 59:15
  lost people in my life. One of the things where I've had to deal
• 59:19
  with that learning to deal with it is that I've learned eventually it was the
• 59:22
  way to happen, you know, that's it. And I have to think
• 59:28
  about all that time I had with them and how certain people don't get any
• 59:32
  of that time, you know. So that's what I have to think about.
• 59:36
  And that's what a lot of people don't understanding. Back to John Wit,
• 59:38
  back to this pot, this vengeance ain't the answer, you know,
• 59:42
  Joe goes on a quest for vengeance. You know, it's like I'm gonna
• 59:45
  kill everybody because that my daughter was taken from me, you know, and
• 59:50
  it's like like she was gonna be taken from you eventually. M Yeah,
• 59:57
  damn. I just can't imagine harboring that for years later. I mean,
• 1:00:01
  shit, family, you know, the grief I have is gonna be with
• 1:00:05
  me for the toime, learning to deal with it, but more so Ellie
• 1:00:08
  dealing with knowing the lie. That's that grief, the both face. That
• 1:00:13
  is grief. You're right that because I'm wonder if something dies in you,
• 1:00:15
  like that trust dies in you. Yeah, that's that grief over that relationship.
• 1:00:20
  It's all the same relationships. That's all life is about relationships, you
• 1:00:23
  know what I mean. And we lose these relationships one way or the other.
• 1:00:28
  That's how it is, you know. And it's like either somebody betrays
• 1:00:30
  you and your trust is drawn. You know, that relationships gone or they're
• 1:00:34
  gone from this physical plane and that relationship is drawne It ends one way to
• 1:00:39
  other and that's life, you know, and you have to learn to deal
• 1:00:42
  with that. And a lot of people don't deal with that very well.
• 1:00:45
  Right, Well, this season ended one way or another. I'm learning to
• 1:00:50
  deal with it. That is the end of season one of the last of
• 1:00:54
  us. I'm not sure if you had anything else to add on, but
• 1:00:58
  um, um no, you know, we talked about john Wick a lot,
• 1:01:00
  so check us at john Wick screening. What is that this Tuesday?
• 1:01:05
  This Tuesday. Yeah, if you're just now hearing this, it's too late.
• 1:01:09
  If you're reading this, it's too late. But yeah, we're gonna
• 1:01:13
  be doing a screening this week. It's like movie week for us. We're
• 1:01:15
  doing the screening of john Wick Tuesday, and on Wednesday we're doing screening of
• 1:01:19
  Shazam in partnership with the Relative Distribution Houses. But anyway, big ups to
• 1:01:24
  everyone who were able to pick up passes. We will see you there if
• 1:01:29
  you come in in from out of town or you're in town, just saying
• 1:01:31
  hello, say what's up to us, take some pictures. We'd love to
• 1:01:35
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