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- 0:19Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome in to JFK Book Reviews, a
- 0:23Speaker 1: division of the Lone Gunman podcast. I am the biggest,
- 0:27Speaker 1: the baddest of the bobs, Rob Clark, here with you.
- 0:31Speaker 1: And this week, On the show, we're going to be
- 0:36Speaker 1: reviewing The Road to Dallas by David Kaiser. And boy,
- 0:43Speaker 1: is she a thicken. A book like this is just
- 0:48Speaker 1: begging to be spanked. Yes. I love the simplistic artwork. Again,
- 1:00Speaker 1: the subtitle is The Assassination of John F. Kennedy. The
- 1:05Speaker 1: Road to Dallas by David Kaiser. A little bit about Kaiser.
- 1:14Speaker 1: He is a published author. He's written about seven books
- 1:16Speaker 1: or so. This book here was published in 2008 by
- 1:22Speaker 1: Harvard Press. I think it was Belknap. Yeah, Belknap at Harvard.
- 1:33Speaker 1: It has 536 pages, and boy, let me tell you,
- 1:39Speaker 1: it's busted up in three parts. You've got Part 1,
- 1:42Speaker 1: Part 2, and Part 3. Part 1 being the criminals, Cubans, Kennedys,
- 1:47Speaker 1: and the CIA. Part 2 is Lee Harvey Oswald, and
- 1:52Speaker 1: Part 3 is Converging Paths. All combined for a grand
- 1:56Speaker 1: total of 17 chapters. There is a conclusion. There is
- 2:06Speaker 1: notes on sources. There is notes. There is acknowledgments. There
- 2:09Speaker 1: is an index. There is a table of contents. And
- 2:13Speaker 1: there is an introduction to the book, which we'll get
- 2:19Speaker 1: to in just a second. The reason I chose this
- 2:24Speaker 1: book is because I actually consulted it for this past
- 2:31Speaker 1: week's show, because it's one of the few books that
- 2:38Speaker 1: really goes into some detail about the Dallas Mafia. In fact,
- 2:42Speaker 1: this is where the book starts off. And then it
- 2:45Speaker 1: branches out into the ties with Marcelo, excuse me, faction
- 2:51Speaker 1: of the Mafia, and of course goes into Traficante, and
- 2:56Speaker 1: all of the ties between the Cubans and the CIA,
- 2:58Speaker 1: and I believe he was inspired to write this book
- 3:06Speaker 1: based on the fact that the HSCA, well, not only
- 3:12Speaker 1: did he think that the Warren Commission got it wrong,
- 3:14Speaker 1: but that the HSCA was really focusing in on the mafia.
- 3:21Speaker 1: And the key for him was, of course, Jack Ruby
- 3:25Speaker 1: silencing Oswald and his ties to the mafia and what
- 3:29Speaker 1: you could kind of go through and prove. again I
- 3:36Speaker 1: think this is a very well written book it's easy
- 3:40Speaker 1: to read and it goes into a lot of the
- 3:45Speaker 1: subjects that we've been discussing on the show recently and
- 3:52Speaker 1: let me just read you a little section out of
- 3:58Speaker 1: the introduction because Sometimes some things just make you go, hmm. So,
- 4:08Speaker 1: in talking about the Odeo incident, he claims, this is Kaiser,
- 4:14Speaker 1: of course, he plainly states the men who visited Sylvia
- 4:18Speaker 1: Odeo that night were almost certainly Lauren Hall, Lawrence Howard,
- 4:21Speaker 1: and Oswald. And he goes through and tells who Hall
- 4:24Speaker 1: was and who Howard was and that Hall had ties
- 4:29Speaker 1: to Santos Traficante. Okay. Trafficante was visited in a cell
- 4:34Speaker 1: by Jack Ruby. Hall reestablished contact with Trafficante in Florida
- 4:40Speaker 1: during the first half of 1963. And now he and
- 4:44Speaker 1: Lawrence Howard and his fellow mercenary were transporting a truckload
- 4:46Speaker 1: of arms to Florida from Southern California where Hall had
- 4:50Speaker 1: been speaking to right-wing extremist groups and raising money. They
- 4:54Speaker 1: intended to use the arms in a raid on Cuba.
- 4:59Speaker 1: Lauren Hall had been involved in many discussions of the
- 5:02Speaker 1: assassination plots against Castro, including one failed attempt known as
- 5:07Speaker 1: the Bio-Pauly Raid in the previous June, and had also
- 5:11Speaker 1: heard a great deal of talk about assassinating President Kennedy.
- 5:15Speaker 1: As he implied to Sylvia Odeo, he realized that in
- 5:20Speaker 1: Oswald he had come across a man willing to do
- 5:22Speaker 1: either job. Hall, moreover, was not the only Traficante associate
- 5:27Speaker 1: in Dallas. His visit coincided with a talk by John Martino,
- 5:31Speaker 1: another mobster who was involved in gambling in both the
- 5:34Speaker 1: United States and Havana, and who had been jailed from
- 5:37Speaker 1: 59 through 62 by Castro for trying to smuggle money
- 5:42Speaker 1: out of Cuba after the revolution. Once released and repatriated
- 5:47Speaker 1: to the States, Martino became a link between Traficante, anti-Castro
- 5:51Speaker 1: Cubans in the Miami area, and he actually helped mastermind
- 5:55Speaker 1: the Biopoly raid in June. Martino made another unexplained trip
- 6:01Speaker 1: to Dallas on October 27th, 1963. And something that I
- 6:09Speaker 1: hadn't thought about before. Now, let me just say, I
- 6:12Speaker 1: don't agree with his conclusion that the three people that
- 6:16Speaker 1: visited Sylvia Odeo were Hall, Howard, and Oswald. I just
- 6:21Speaker 1: don't think it was Hall and Howard. I'm not unconvinced
- 6:24Speaker 1: that it wasn't Oswald. It could have been, um, I
- 6:29Speaker 1: just don't think that the two Cubans or Mexicans with
- 6:36Speaker 1: whoever this Oswald person was at Sylvia Odeo's house were
- 6:39Speaker 1: Hall and Howard. But it is what it is. But
- 6:47Speaker 1: what this book prompted me to think about was the
- 6:50Speaker 1: fact that in October of 1963, around the same time
- 6:57Speaker 1: Of course, this is after the Odeo incident. Because we
- 7:02Speaker 1: can't put Holland Howard in Dallas at the time of
- 7:07Speaker 1: the Odeo incident. But we can put him in Dallas
- 7:12Speaker 1: about halfway through the month of October 1963. And it's
- 7:19Speaker 1: around this interesting time when Martino comes to Dallas. to
- 7:27Speaker 1: give a talk the DRE including Salvat the big swinging
- 7:35Speaker 1: dick head honcho from Miami comes to Dallas to implement
- 7:41Speaker 1: a new leader of the Dallas DRE a new delegate
- 7:46Speaker 1: and all this kind of at the same time you
- 7:50Speaker 1: have Hall and Howard showing up in Dallas just happened
- 7:56Speaker 1: to be passing through. It's a very interesting amalgamation of
- 8:02Speaker 1: characters that converge on Dallas in October of 1963. So
- 8:07Speaker 1: that got me thinking, and which any good book should
- 8:12Speaker 1: get you thinking, even though you might not agree with
- 8:14Speaker 1: everything written in said book. And I started to panic
- 8:20Speaker 1: when I was reading through the introduction because there's a
- 8:24Speaker 1: whole lot of inferences there without a lot of footnotes. Uh,
- 8:29Speaker 1: but the further I got into the book, it is
- 8:32Speaker 1: footnoted very well, uh, using primary source documents, uh, things
- 8:40Speaker 1: you can't argue with type of thing. But again, you know,
- 8:43Speaker 1: sometimes somebody will look at some evidence and, and come
- 8:46Speaker 1: to a different conclusion than you will another person looking
- 8:50Speaker 1: at the same evidence. And that's okay to have different opinions. Um,
- 8:59Speaker 1: This book is selling right now on Amazon. If you
- 9:02Speaker 1: want a new copy, paperbacks like the one I got.
- 9:07Speaker 1: And it's about the size of a hard copy. It's
- 9:09Speaker 1: pretty big. $ 25. 99. The hardcover. First edition is selling for
- 9:17Speaker 1: about $ 40 new. But you can find copies on Amazon
- 9:22Speaker 1: for as little as $ 2. 56. And I'll put the link below.
- 9:29Speaker 1: for the books, of course, in the description of this video,
- 9:32Speaker 1: as I always do. Any book that I talk about here,
- 9:35Speaker 1: just look in the description, you'll see a link where
- 9:38Speaker 1: you can grab it if you want to. If not,
- 9:42Speaker 1: that's fine too. But, so this book does a very
- 9:48Speaker 1: good job of setting the table for the climate in
- 9:54Speaker 1: 1963 and the relationship between the Mafia The anti-Castro Cubans.
- 10:00Speaker 1: and the cia and kind of what they were all
- 10:04Speaker 1: doing and where they were all intersecting type of thing
- 10:10Speaker 1: and you can kind of see where the roads are
- 10:13Speaker 1: going hence the name the road to dallas And then,
- 10:19Speaker 1: of course, we come to the section of the book,
- 10:22Speaker 1: the second part, on Lee Harvey Oswald and his dubious
- 10:30Speaker 1: or ties to the anti-Castro Cubans. Fidel Castro, of course,
- 10:40Speaker 1: his dealings with the FPCC, the ACLU, the right wing
- 10:46Speaker 1: in Dallas. And then, of course, we get to part
- 10:50Speaker 1: three of the book, which is dealing with the aftermath
- 10:54Speaker 1: and the cover-up and the cover-your-ass and all of that.
- 10:59Speaker 1: And for a book that came out in 2008, you've
- 11:09Speaker 1: got to remember this is five years before the 50th anniversary.
- 11:16Speaker 1: And this is, of course... a good bit of time,
- 11:20Speaker 1: 10 plus years after the ARRB got a bunch of
- 11:27Speaker 1: these files released online. This is the dawn of the
- 11:31Speaker 1: internet time, you know, back when he was writing this book.
- 11:36Speaker 1: And he used it to the best of his ability
- 11:40Speaker 1: back then to be able to research and write this book.
- 11:48Speaker 1: Now this is not his first foray into the subject matter.
- 11:55Speaker 1: He did, in 2000, write a book called American Tragedy, Kennedy, Johnson,
- 12:02Speaker 1: and the Origins of the Vietnam War. That book was
- 12:06Speaker 1: the winner of the 2001 Four Word Magazine Book of
- 12:10Speaker 1: the Year in the history category. So no slouch, no slouch. Uh,
- 12:19Speaker 1: Kaiser was a American history professor who taught at the
- 12:24Speaker 1: United States Naval War College from 1990 until 2012 and
- 12:30Speaker 1: has taught at Carnegie Mellon Williams College and Harvard University.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Harvard University. Hmm. Uh, uh, Interesting. He also has a
- 12:47Speaker 1: website I'll link up in the description as well. But
- 12:52Speaker 1: back to the book. I mean, there is no plot
- 12:55Speaker 1: spoilers here. We all know how the story ends, right?
- 13:02Speaker 1: But of course, the road to getting there, pun intended,
- 13:07Speaker 1: is always the most interesting. And I think Kaiser... did
- 13:14Speaker 1: a good job of looking into the Dallas Mafia, I
- 13:20Speaker 1: think better than anyone else has ever done it, and
- 13:24Speaker 1: making those connections between the Dallas Mafia, the New Orleans Mafia,
- 13:32Speaker 1: the Florida Mafia, Cuba, Castro, all that. Interesting folks that
- 13:40Speaker 1: we talk about here on the show all the time.
- 13:43Speaker 1: These gunboat cowboys and anti-Castro Cubans. It's all there in
- 13:51Speaker 1: this book. Now, of course, as I pointed out to
- 13:55Speaker 1: you a little earlier, some of his conclusions I don't
- 14:01Speaker 1: 100% agree with. But that's okay. It's okay. I think
- 14:06Speaker 1: he did some very good work. And I believe... If
- 14:14Speaker 1: you can grab this book for $ 2. 50 on Amazon, do it.
- 14:19Speaker 1: It's worth it. It's worth a little bit more than that,
- 14:23Speaker 1: but it's definitely worth $ 2. 50. You know what I mean?
- 14:26Speaker 1: That's David Kaiser's The Road to Dallas. I'm going to
- 14:30Speaker 1: give this book here, this book here, for everything that
- 14:37Speaker 1: it is, for when it was published, for how it
- 14:41Speaker 1: is written, for the story within I'm going to give
- 14:49Speaker 1: this book a solid 8 out of 10 guns up
- 14:52Speaker 1: 8 out of 10 guns up I think it's very
- 14:58Speaker 1: good I thoroughly enjoyed reading it it's not pretentious at
- 15:04Speaker 1: all and it's easy to read and there is a
- 15:08Speaker 1: ton a ton a ton of information packed into this
- 15:15Speaker 1: Almost 600 page book. But yeah, that's it. And if
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- 15:58Speaker 1: you'll like that. Make sure to check it out. As
- 16:02Speaker 1: I said, I will put some links in the description
- 16:04Speaker 1: for you to peruse at your own speed. And that's
- 16:08Speaker 1: it for me this week. This has been Big Bad
- 16:11Speaker 1: Bob for another JFK Book Review, a division of the
- 16:14Speaker 1: Lone Gummin' Podcast, and we'll see you next time, folks. Peace.